The Charlie Kirk Show - Who Gets To Replace Lindsey Graham? + Who Is MAGA?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It's Monday, March 16th, 2026.

00:01:14.000 I'm on the road today, but Blake is holding it down at the Phoenix studio.

00:01:19.000 Blake, how you doing?

00:01:20.000 Howdy, Andrew.

00:01:22.000 It was an eventful weekend.

00:01:24.000 Yeah, well, yeah, we did see each other on Saturday.

00:01:27.000 We interviewed Andy Biggs, and then you interviewed Nick Shirley.

00:01:31.000 We had a great time there.

00:01:32.000 Yeah, that was a blast.

00:01:33.000 At the Phoenician.

00:01:35.000 It was a good event.

00:01:37.000 We are joined here at the top of the hour, unusually so, by Jack Pasobic, who's going to be helping us make sense of the world after a very eventful weekend.

00:01:47.000 Jack, welcome.

00:01:48.000 What up, homies? 1.00

00:01:50.000 We've got a lot to get to here, and I think Blake's title for today's show, What is MAGA, is a, I think it's a really apt way to sort of frame it.

00:01:59.000 I was traveling, didn't have a lot of time to keep up with it.

00:02:02.000 I turned on the phone and the computer on basically last night because somebody sent me some Oscar clips, and then I started going through everything, and I was like, holy, holy cow.

00:02:15.000 Everybody hates everybody.

00:02:16.000 The e-drama is through the roof, and we got a very contentious war going on in Iran.

00:02:22.000 And I think what the best thing that we can do on this show is how to walk through this very tumultuous moment that we're living in, where I think a lot of us just want to focus on domestic issues.

00:02:34.000 We want to focus on nation building at home.

00:02:36.000 Unfortunately, that's not exactly the most obvious thing for any of us to do because of so much noise that's going around.

00:02:43.000 Blake, I'm going to throw to you first and foremost.

00:02:47.000 You asked the question, what is MAGA?

00:02:50.000 Define it for us.

00:02:51.000 What is MAGA right now in this moment with Iran, with, like I said, the e-drama and so much else?

00:02:56.000 Well, I mean, part of the reason, the reason we titled it that way is we did, of course, we've seen, we saw friction over the weekend.

00:03:06.000 We won't get into the full details of it because it's a little silly, but Megan Kelly was in a fight with Mark Levin that's obviously rooted in the Iran stuff and obviously personality friction as well.

00:03:18.000 And what happened last night was the president on Truth Social decided to weigh in on it personally and he took the side.

00:03:24.000 He didn't name Megan, but he supported Mark Levin.

00:03:28.000 And one of the lines he said at the end of his post was basically that people who are bashing Levin, going after him, those people are not MAGA.

00:03:37.000 I am is what he said.

00:03:39.000 And one interpretation of MAGA is it basically is it is the people who support it is it is President Trump.

00:03:46.000 President Trump, he ran on that slogan.

00:03:48.000 He has the power to define what that slogan is.

00:03:52.000 But does everyone feel that way?

00:03:54.000 A lot of people have tried to articulate a MAGA agenda in terms of issues, whether that's on immigration, whether that's on interventionism, whether that's on trade and a lot of other stuff.

00:04:05.000 And so that's kind of why it's an open question, because I think there is, is there a MAGA that stands separately from the president himself?

00:04:14.000 And the president himself, I think, unsurprisingly, given Trump's personality, he does mostly see it in terms of his personal branding.

00:04:23.000 Yeah.

00:04:24.000 And so, Jack, I think, you know, that is one contention, right?

00:04:27.000 This is something that the president has said over and over again.

00:04:30.000 I am MAGA.

00:04:31.000 And those who kind of come at me right now, they're not loyal to the cause.

00:04:35.000 You are an OG 2016, 2015 MAGA.

00:04:40.000 You know, I would call you one of the leaders on the social media side.

00:04:44.000 And you've been that way for about a decade now.

00:04:48.000 You know, there does seem to be fraying at the fringes here, especially about foreign policy.

00:04:55.000 So what do you do when everything's up in tumult?

00:04:59.000 People are confused which way to go and what to make of it.

00:05:02.000 How are you approaching this moment?

00:05:03.000 Yeah, so there's, you know, these definitional questions come up a lot.

00:05:09.000 And at the same time, I would also point out that, you know, MAGA, the coalition, the people who have voted for Trump, that has changed over time as well.

00:05:20.000 So the 2024 coalition, the coalition that Charlie worked so hard to put together, that Turning Point Action worked on, that's different than the 2016 coalition and the groups.

00:05:33.000 Obviously, it was much more successful in 24.

00:05:36.000 2016, you know, you can't take anything away from the historic nature of that.

00:05:40.000 It was obviously something that was unprecedented.

00:05:43.000 But 2024, just in terms of sheer raw numbers, point on the board victory was bigger.

00:05:49.000 And the difference, I guess I would say, is that in 2024, it was this coalition that came together where instead of just, you know, 2016 was sort of like the anti-neocons, the Bernie Bros, and you're sort of like traditional Republicans.

00:06:06.000 But in 2024, and of course, the anti-neocons are obviously have a lot of consternation right now.

00:06:12.000 And so the 2024 coalition was even broader and bigger than that, because now you got Maha, now you've got the libertarians.

00:06:22.000 Now you, of course, you have the anti-neocons.

00:06:24.000 And of course, there's a lot of overlap with the libertarian crowd there as well.

00:06:29.000 You've got people who were motivated by COVID, you've got lockdowns.

00:06:33.000 You've got people who were motivated by DEI, by wokeness.

00:06:38.000 I mean, you just got so many people coming in in 2024 that inevitably there was going to be some friction points between the massive, you know, the massive parts of the massive coalition.

00:06:53.000 And of course, now you've also in 24 got the Zoomers on board, which is like a whole different, you know, quotient in and of itself. 0.99

00:06:59.000 And that was the part that Charlie and TPUSA had worked so hard on all through those years.

00:07:05.000 So if you look at it, right?

00:07:06.000 Like if you were in high school when Trump first ran, you know, 2024 may have been the first time you voted or, you know, somewhere, you know, voted for president at least.

00:07:16.000 And so, you know, just doing the math.

00:07:17.000 So this was like the Charlie Kirk coalition in 2024.

00:07:22.000 And so the way you work on things like this is very simple.

00:07:25.000 Look, Donald Trump is the president of the United States.

00:07:27.000 Donald Trump is the founder of the MAGA movement.

00:07:31.000 But just like any coalition, there are going to be different elements within that movement.

00:07:37.000 And so, you know, you can get caught up in these definitional games, but I do think that ultimately we're better served by people just sort of saying like, this is what I stand for.

00:07:47.000 This is what I think the best policy is.

00:07:48.000 And just arguing it out in those terms rather than trying to say, you know, one person is this and one person isn't allowed to be that.

00:07:57.000 I think that leads to subtraction.

00:07:59.000 And we all know that victory is through addition.

00:08:01.000 Yeah, I mean, I think what you're getting at, this coalitional truth that we need to build a coalition, there is no more contentious issue on the right.

00:08:11.000 There's just simply not than foreign policy because the divide between the neocons and the interventionists is not just a divide, it's a chasm.

00:08:19.000 And so, in one sense, as soon as the Iran conflict started, there should be no surprise that this has become so contentious.

00:08:26.000 President Trump said four weeks.

00:08:28.000 He said he'd be willing to move that timeline up or back.

00:08:31.000 So we kind of are still in that time of uncertainty.

00:08:35.000 We don't know how this is going to play out.

00:08:37.000 There's a very positive way this could play out.

00:08:40.000 There's a more negative way this could play out, which is why Charlie warned against regime change in Iran, right?

00:08:45.000 We don't know all of the ancillary side effects.

00:08:48.000 We don't know how this could devolve into some sort of civil war, sectarian strife within Iran.

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00:09:07.000 We're allowing Indian and Chinese, it sounds like vessels, tankers to go through the Strait of Hormuz.

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00:10:33.000 Got to welcome into this conversation.

00:10:34.000 President Trump's talking about the ballroom.

00:10:36.000 So we're going to take a moment to welcome in Libby Emmons.

00:10:39.000 She's the editor-in-chief of the post-millennial and human events.

00:10:43.000 Welcome, Libby.

00:10:45.000 Glad to be here, Andrew.

00:10:45.000 Thanks so much.

00:10:47.000 And we're joined by Jack Pasevick.

00:10:48.000 We're asking a question, Libby, and I'd love to get you in on this.

00:10:51.000 You know, what is MAGA, right?

00:10:53.000 We look across the conservative landscape and it's a mess out there right now.

00:10:58.000 And I think, you know, I'm thinking of the Kipling poem where it's like, you know, if you can keep your head when everybody else is losing theirs.

00:11:05.000 But President Trump defines it as, you know, this is, he's the founder of this movement.

00:11:09.000 And so get in line.

00:11:10.000 He's been very consistent to his credit about Iran over the years.

00:11:14.000 A lot of us harbor skepticisms about regime change in the Middle East.

00:11:18.000 So what do you make of this moment as, you know, everything seems to be a mess out there?

00:11:24.000 Yeah, everything does seem to be a mess out there.

00:11:26.000 And I disagree with Trump that MAGA is Trump.

00:11:30.000 I think Trump captured an ethos that was already out there.

00:11:33.000 I think he tapped into something that so many Americans were feeling.

00:11:38.000 And I think MAGA has more to do with a set of values and perspectives than it does a single man.

00:11:44.000 Otherwise, it would not be a movement that would continue.

00:11:46.000 And that's a movement that continued throughout Biden's four years.

00:11:50.000 And I think it's a movement that will continue after Trump is gone.

00:11:53.000 I think MAGA has to do with putting America first, American priorities in terms of the domestic situation, in terms of prosperity and equal access to opportunity in a lot of cases, you know, for Americans, which means that your schools are decent and you can go to them and attend them, which means that you're getting a fair shake in the housing market and it's not all being bought up by corporations, you know, which means that when you go to apply for a job or go to apply to college,

00:12:20.000 your merit is what's taken into consideration, not some random identity factors.

00:12:25.000 And I think that MAGA has to be a set of values more than it can be possibly just one man.

00:12:30.000 Otherwise, you can't stand for anything, right?

00:12:33.000 You can't stand on shifting sands of perspectives and ideas.

00:12:37.000 You have to stand for something, or else, you know, as they say, you'll fall for anything.

00:12:42.000 Jack, I want to get you back in on this because I think, by the way, Libby, you probably articulated Blake's POV pretty well, I would think, but I'll let Blake answer that in just a sec.

00:12:53.000 Go ahead, Blake.

00:12:53.000 Go ahead.

00:12:54.000 No, no, it's great.

00:12:55.000 It's just no, let's let Jack.

00:12:57.000 Let's look at Jack go here.

00:12:58.000 Yeah.

00:12:58.000 Jack, I want to get you to respond to that, but you are the kind of foreign Intel analyst.

00:13:04.000 You're watching this space all the time, but yet you are domestic in your focus as well.

00:13:10.000 How do you marry the two of these right now? 1.00

00:13:12.000 Yeah, that's a great point.

00:13:13.000 So, you know, this is obviously like I do a lot of geopol analysis and I actually was a Navy intelligence officer, you know, and, you know, so this is something that's always, you know, of a great interest when we have these things come up.

00:13:27.000 I'm like, aha, finally, some everyone understands why I post maps about choke points and maritime trade routes so much.

00:13:35.000 It seems like totally arcane until everyone finds out how much it really, really matters in the world.

00:13:41.000 And, you know, that being said, the questions of what will be successful politically are certainly different from how the world economy operates and how the world economics operate back and forth.

00:13:56.000 And so, you know, I've always said that, look, I thought that when I was in the United States Navy and when I was in the intelligence community serving as I did, that I started to get the feeling that perhaps our focus as a country was too abroad.

00:14:10.000 Our focus was not enough on our own issues, on things that actually mattered to us, on things that actually affected us in our country, like the southern border, like the cartels, like the issues of problems and crime in our city, the issues of mass migration.

00:14:25.000 All of those issues are the issues that built the MAGA movement.

00:14:30.000 That's what brought us all on board and brought us all together in 2015 and 2016, with, of course, the leader and singular man of that movement being Donald J. Trump.

00:14:40.000 And when he came down the golden escalator, that's exactly what he talked about.

00:14:44.000 And so certainly it's been this idea that we are going to shift the focus.

00:14:48.000 And you may all, you may kind of say that just analytically, I guess you could say that if there is a split anymore, it's not within MAGA.

00:14:56.000 The split is more MAGA and then America first, right?

00:14:59.000 So MAGA is more, we back Trump.

00:15:03.000 We want Trump to be, you know, he's our guy, 100%.

00:15:07.000 You know, we may have certain, you know, certain differences on tactics here and there, but we're going to stand with Trump.

00:15:12.000 Then America first is this group that says, we don't want to do, you know, anything foreign.

00:15:18.000 It's domestic only.

00:15:19.000 Domestic has to be in the front.

00:15:21.000 And that movement is something that, interestingly enough, you start to see Democrats dipping into.

00:15:26.000 You start to see Mandami talk about this.

00:15:28.000 And when we did the debate analysis, we talked about that.

00:15:32.000 You start to see things like Gavin Newsom talk about this, where he's saying, oh, I want to focus here and not abroad.

00:15:37.000 So it's become this sort of jump ball, I feel right now.

00:15:41.000 And I think the Democrats are going to try.

00:15:44.000 Their next move is going to be to say, oh, well, you guys are for foreign intervention.

00:15:49.000 We are the true America first.

00:15:51.000 So watch for that.

00:15:53.000 Blake, I invoked your name earlier.

00:15:55.000 I want to give you a chance to chime in.

00:15:56.000 No, I think that's reasonable.

00:15:58.000 I think they're all on good points that especially those of us who've been around this movement a long time.

00:16:05.000 There is a strong sense.

00:16:06.000 Oh, MAGA, we want MAGA to last beyond Trump.

00:16:10.000 One reason you don't want to say MAGA is just Trump is Trump will not be around forever.

00:16:14.000 Trump will eventually be gone.

00:16:15.000 And we still want a movement that is not neocon GOP, that is not George Bush GOP, that is not the GOP of old.

00:16:23.000 But it is also very much the case that through kind of repeated trials, repeated events, MAGA has ended up being, for lack of a better term, like Trump has oscillated in different directions.

00:16:38.000 He's caught us off guard and he's always stuck around.

00:16:41.000 And the movement has really become very much, how to put this.

00:16:49.000 I will say President Trump has a point if he says like, I am MAGA.

00:16:53.000 And to some extent, the movement is basically what I say it is because he's repeatedly defined it that way.

00:16:58.000 And he has kind of bashed away and like battered off every single challenger who would suggest it was anything else.

00:17:05.000 And so I think Jack has a point that maybe you need to articulate another phrase, like America first or whatever you want to take this package of views so that it's not 100% identical to one person.

00:17:18.000 And this is the thing about the right.

00:17:19.000 The right is more hierarchical.

00:17:21.000 We are more inclined to basically get in line behind our guy if he says this is the right thing to do, if he says this is what we need to be doing.

00:17:31.000 And so yeah, I think we, you know, it might be a good idea to have another label for the issues that we care about.

00:17:39.000 You know, so I've gotten attacked.

00:17:41.000 I think Blake, you and I on this show for being, you know, I think they took a clip out of context.

00:17:46.000 The internet did and said we were departing from Charlie's view on Iran.

00:17:50.000 He was super anti-war.

00:17:52.000 And yeah, Charlie was super anti-war.

00:17:56.000 But, you know, we were warning against the perils of regime change in the Middle East as well before the lead up.

00:18:02.000 But Charlie, sort of in this divide that you're mentioning here, Jack, it was his decision was always, listen, I worked my butt off to get President Trump elected.

00:18:14.000 Even when I privately have differences of opinion, I'm going to back the guy because there's been no other fighter that we have in the modern era that has so embodied the values that I care most about.

00:18:25.000 And so I'm going to get behind him and we're going to hope for the best.

00:18:28.000 I'm going to argue his points.

00:18:30.000 There's a point to be made.

00:18:31.000 And so I, you know, that's kind of what we do here.

00:18:34.000 A couple of things I can't abide by.

00:18:35.000 I cannot abide by not supporting our troops.

00:18:38.000 I cannot abide by not wishing success on this country.

00:18:41.000 I cannot abide by any of that stuff.

00:18:43.000 I can't abide by the brain rot where you're trying to scapegoat people.

00:18:48.000 So listen, yeah, these are perilous, gut-wrenching times that make us all sort of, you know, wonder how it's going to work out.

00:18:56.000 But we've been here before with President Trump.

00:18:58.000 Charlie understood this.

00:19:00.000 And he ultimately did place his trust and his support behind the president when he made tough calls.

00:19:05.000 So I think we're just sort of stuck in this time.

00:19:08.000 You know, President Trump said four to five weeks.

00:19:10.000 Okay, we're in the four to five weeks here.

00:19:12.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:19:13.000 Here we go.

00:19:14.000 Let's hope this ends well and let's pray for the success of our troops.

00:19:17.000 Libby, what am I missing?

00:19:19.000 No, I agree with you on that to a certain extent.

00:19:21.000 Yes, now that we're in this war, I want us to win it.

00:19:24.000 I want us to win it decisively.

00:19:25.000 And I want our troops to come home and be out of harm's way.

00:19:28.000 That's a huge deal.

00:19:29.000 I support our troops 100%.

00:19:31.000 I do think that it's difficult to look at this entanglement as someone who is pretty much anti-war and come away with, you know, and come away with the perspective that this was the right thing to do at the right time.

00:19:45.000 I'm not sure about that, you know, and I think time will tell and certainly history will let us know.

00:19:50.000 I'm someone who marched against the Iraq war way back in 2003.

00:19:54.000 I'm not prepared to go out and be marching against this war at this point.

00:19:58.000 You know, I've definitely looked back at my life and said perhaps shutting down the 59th Street Bridge was not the best idea and maybe I wouldn't do that again.

00:20:06.000 But yeah, I think that there's concerns.

00:20:09.000 Arguing about whether or not we should back our troops is not something we should argue about.

00:20:14.000 Everyone should be backing our troops.

00:20:16.000 I also think that what Jack said, that this is giving the Democrats an area where they can really start to make some inroads with the American people is something that we should be watching out for because it's hard to look at the Democrats, you know, and not see all of the things that they are also going to be advocating for.

00:20:35.000 Continuing to trans kids, continuing the American genocide of abortion. 0.99

00:20:39.000 You know, there were like a million, close to a million abortions, I think, in 2024.

00:20:44.000 That's an insane number.

00:20:45.000 So if conservatives really want to make sure that they have a hold of some of these issues and can save lives in this country, we have some states that are on board with euthanasia.

00:20:55.000 None of this stuff can go forward.

00:20:57.000 And so we have to be wary of all of those things.

00:20:59.000 Yeah, well said.

00:21:00.000 I mean, I find the Democrats to be completely unacceptable, but we are giving them an avenue to be the America first in some ways, at least politically from a messaging standpoint.

00:21:11.000 I don't believe any of it.

00:21:13.000 I want to give a quick word, a note about Susie Weil's been diagnosed with breast cancer.

00:21:17.000 President Trump put out a truth to that, so our prayers are with her for her health and safety.

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00:22:24.000 This is Charlie talking about this very exact dynamic, CUT 26.

00:22:29.000 Let me tell you what President Trump has in front of him.

00:22:32.000 And this is the stuff of which statements, statesmans are made.

00:22:36.000 A statesman is a man at the highest moment when you have the weight of the shoulders, like Churchill or Lincoln, of the world on your shoulders.

00:22:44.000 You act with prudence and not on ideological fervor.

00:22:48.000 President Donald Trump is a man made for this moment.

00:22:51.000 This is why President Trump was elected president of the United States.

00:22:56.000 It's the man in the arena that counts.

00:22:58.000 But I encourage you as you view the next couple of days to not view things overly ideological.

00:23:05.000 In fact, we should resist ideological fervor.

00:23:09.000 Resist ideological fervor, the man in the arena.

00:23:12.000 I am still on this point that, yes, I was not pro in regime change in Iran, but I will back President Trump's play here.

00:23:22.000 He's earned our trust.

00:23:23.000 He is the man in the arena right now.

00:23:25.000 And we have to, must pray for the success of our troops and our country, that this ultimately would work out in a way that would benefit America first as we try to define it.

00:23:35.000 But listen, the longer this goes on, there's no doubt that this will become more and more difficult.

00:23:41.000 All right, Libby, I'm going to get to your why we actually brought you on to the show today.

00:23:46.000 And that is that the Oscars, the Oscars took a swipe at the All-American Halftime Show yesterday.

00:23:52.000 And so we got to play it.

00:23:53.000 Cut 17.

00:23:54.000 I should warn you, tonight could get political.

00:23:57.000 Okay?

00:23:58.000 And if that makes you uncomfortable, there's an alternate Oscars being hosted by Kid Rock.

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:04.000 It's at the Damon Busters down the street.

00:24:07.000 A lot of tickets for that.

00:24:10.000 All right, Libby.

00:24:11.000 We see that.

00:24:12.000 We see SNL is got Tucker Carlson making fun of him.

00:24:18.000 We are living through a remarkable cultural moment that we need to pause and appreciate.

00:24:23.000 And that's why I brought you on here.

00:24:25.000 What do you make of this?

00:24:27.000 The Oscars, what do you make of SNL?

00:24:29.000 All of it.

00:24:30.000 Yeah, so the thing with the Oscars, Conan O'Brien, somebody didn't tell him that 25 million people actually streamed the turning point.

00:24:39.000 No, Libby.

00:24:40.000 Libby.

00:24:41.000 Yes.

00:24:42.000 The way that Nielsen rates it, we had over 50 million people.

00:24:46.000 Oh, well, okay.

00:24:47.000 I was just tracking back this morning through my previous notes and I didn't see that.

00:24:51.000 So amazing.

00:24:52.000 Congratulations again.

00:24:54.000 But yeah, someone didn't tell Conan that.

00:24:55.000 Someone didn't tell Conan that Americans are moving away from the box office, you know, like never before.

00:25:01.000 I took a look at some of the stats and American Beauty, which won the best picture back in 2000, made about the same as Sinners, which sort of came in second place this year.

00:25:12.000 So it's not like things are going better for Hollywood than they were even 26 years ago.

00:25:18.000 Nobody's really interested in that.

00:25:20.000 People don't like watching the Oscars.

00:25:22.000 You know, so I think that I think that's something to recognize.

00:25:26.000 Timothy Chalamet's recent comments about opera and ballet being dying art forms could just as easily be applied to the cinema.

00:25:35.000 These Hollywood people should recognize that.

00:25:37.000 And instead, they just lament that more people should go to the box office.

00:25:40.000 If you look at some of the Oscar speeches or the SAG speeches, the Golden Globe speeches this year during the whole awards season, you'll see multiple, multiple directors, writers, actors telling people to bring your kids to the movies.

00:25:54.000 These are the same kinds of comments that I heard when I was a kid.

00:25:56.000 Bring your kids to the theater.

00:25:58.000 Bring your kids to the opera.

00:26:00.000 Let them know.

00:26:00.000 Bring them to the ballet.

00:26:02.000 You know, like all of this stuff.

00:26:03.000 And instead, these are still just dying art forms.

00:26:06.000 And eventually they will disappear to a certain extent or become niche or whatever.

00:26:10.000 And as for SNL, yeah, they had some funny jokes on Spinner.

00:26:14.000 Yeah, Libby, I've actually, it's a longer clip, but it is worth playing because everybody has a bit of a stake here in Tucker Carlson.

00:26:22.000 We're all sharing similar mediums and we all hear about it.

00:26:26.000 And Blake used to write for him.

00:26:29.000 Jack is close with him.

00:26:30.000 Here we go.

00:26:31.000 Cut 24.

00:26:32.000 Many are excited for the Oscars tomorrow.

00:26:34.000 Some people think liberal politics are influencing the awards too much.

00:26:38.000 Here with his take is conservative commentator Tucker Carlson.

00:26:46.000 Hey, Keith Collins, let's all go to the movies.

00:26:50.000 Huh?

00:26:51.000 Really?

00:26:52.000 Yes.

00:26:52.000 Why don't we grab some popcorn and watch American culture collapse?

00:26:57.000 What are we doing?

00:26:58.000 Why don't we talk about sinners?

00:27:00.000 That's right.

00:27:00.000 Sinners.

00:27:01.000 Because of course, leftist woke America's favorite movie this year is about sinning.

00:27:06.000 Huh?

00:27:08.000 Why does that not surprise me?

00:27:10.000 No, sorry, kids.

00:27:12.000 We don't go to church anymore.

00:27:13.000 We go to sinners.

00:27:14.000 That's the rule.

00:27:16.000 That's the goal now.

00:27:17.000 What about Hamnet?

00:27:18.000 Oh, Hamnet.

00:27:19.000 Because we're not allowed to say Hamlet anymore.

00:27:22.000 No, no.

00:27:24.000 Took the L and gave it to the GBTQ.

00:27:27.000 Took the L and gave it to GBTQ is actually pretty witty.

00:27:31.000 I kind of wish one of us had come up with that at some point.

00:27:35.000 SNL actually had a great mahospital, like Maha Mo.

00:27:40.000 I think we played it in the cold over.

00:27:42.000 It was actually funny.

00:27:43.000 Jack, people don't know this, but you have your own critic background, film critic, TV critic background here.

00:27:51.000 True.

00:27:52.000 So what do you make of this cultural moment we're living?

00:27:54.000 It does feel a bit like we're such a, our side is so completely messed up in so many ways that we're giving them lots of fodder.

00:28:02.000 But what's your take?

00:28:03.000 Well, first of all, you know, I got to respond on the halftime show because our ratings clearly, clearly, if you look at what the turning point events team, if you look at what the turning point action team and everyone coming together did to get the ratings for the number one American YouTube live stream in history, 40 million households day of viewing in the first 24 hours.

00:28:26.000 And if you computed it the way, as you say, computed it the way Nielsen does household, you'd probably be looking at 50 to 60 million people because they always use the multiplier for the Super Bowl viewership.

00:28:38.000 And we know that there were people at at least twos and threes and fours watching our halftime show.

00:28:43.000 So, oh, so I'd love to go back.

00:28:45.000 And Conan, you have not had anything that's rated in 20 plus years.

00:28:50.000 You went down to Haiti and we're trying to like talk about how great Haiti is and walking around sipping Mai Tais while you've got cannibals named barbecue running around.

00:28:58.000 So no, Conan, Turning Point USA blew, absolutely blew the Oscars out of the water.

00:29:05.000 And I can't wait to see their overnights because I know it's lower.

00:29:09.000 When you look at the cultural moment, you know, I'm just going to say it.

00:29:12.000 I tweeted this morning about the Oscars that the Oscars has now become a contest of who can make the most anti-white movie. 0.96

00:29:19.000 So you've got Sinners, which is basically from dusk till dawn with BLM killing white people. 0.75

00:29:25.000 Then you've got the Leo Leonardo DiCaprio movie, and it's an Antifa raid on an ICE facility.

00:29:33.000 I mean, it's like the most insane, one fight after another.

00:29:37.000 And so it's just the most insane liberal, far-left, anti-white stuff gets the most awards. 0.53

00:29:44.000 You know, I tweeted out that I didn't even know that it was going on last night because I didn't.

00:29:47.000 I was busy hanging out with my kids and I was sent the clip and I just said, I didn't realize it was going on, but it's very clear that we live rent-free in their minds because they all noticed it.

00:29:58.000 And I just want to say one last thing.

00:29:59.000 While the world is losing its mind, we're going to keep ours.

00:30:02.000 And that's why we do things like the halftime show.

00:30:05.000 That's why the two largest cultural touch point moments of the last six months were Charlie's memorial and the halftime show.

00:30:12.000 We are going to keep building, keep moving forward because the only way through is through.

00:30:17.000 Thank you, Libby.

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00:31:37.000 We have a special treat in store for you.

00:31:39.000 I have been very loud about my criticisms of Senator Lindsey Graham, the neocon warmonger from South Carolina, who has just seemed to stay in office for a very long time.

00:31:53.000 Charlie Kirk.

00:31:54.000 Charlie always called him Lady Graham, as he called him.

00:31:57.000 Was that a Russianism?

00:31:58.000 Did he get that from Rush?

00:32:00.000 I'm pretty sure that's what a lot of people call him.

00:32:04.000 Let's put up this tweet from Charlie back in, it looks like June, July 1st, 2023.

00:32:11.000 He said, Senator Lindsey Graham gets booed off the stage at Trump's South Carolina rally.

00:32:16.000 Absolute humility.

00:32:17.000 The base is done with neocons who want to spend our money to bomb faraway lands.

00:32:20.000 Feels very relevant to our current moment.

00:32:23.000 Fix our border.

00:32:24.000 Use the military to wipe out the cartels and we'll respect you.

00:32:26.000 Ignore the domestic crisis at your own peril.

00:32:28.000 So that was that was just a few years ago.

00:32:31.000 And of course, we agree with it wholeheartedly.

00:32:34.000 We're going to have a special treat here, though.

00:32:35.000 We're going to have Paul Danz and his competitor in the primary, Lynch, as well.

00:32:40.000 You're going to hear from both of them.

00:32:42.000 We're going to let you decide.

00:32:43.000 So email us freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:47.000 So without further ado, our first guest is Paul Danz.

00:32:50.000 He's running for U.S. Senate for the great state of South Carolina.

00:32:53.000 Welcome to the show, sir.

00:32:54.000 Gentlemen, great to be with you.

00:32:56.000 Well, it's so good to have you.

00:32:58.000 My perspective right now, I'm keeping an open mind on both of you.

00:33:02.000 And I'm saying, as long as it's not Lindsey Graham, I'm excited.

00:33:06.000 That's how I feel right now.

00:33:07.000 But you have voters to appeal to in the state of South Carolina, and they need to hear directly from you.

00:33:13.000 And so, you know, that's the point of this moment right now.

00:33:17.000 So what is it going to take to beat Lindsey Graham?

00:33:19.000 And why are you the right candidate to do that?

00:33:21.000 Well, as of today, Lindsey Graham's going down.

00:33:24.000 That's the good news.

00:33:25.000 He's way below 50%.

00:33:26.000 In South Carolina, we have a runoff state.

00:33:29.000 So top two people going to runoff two weeks later.

00:33:32.000 Look, I'm the generational change candidate.

00:33:35.000 I'm a guy who's been MAGA from the jump.

00:33:37.000 I helped President Trump as a volunteer get elected.

00:33:39.000 I served in his first term.

00:33:41.000 I was what they call one of his killers.

00:33:43.000 I worked at HUD under Dr. Carson and then later OPM, the Office of Personal Management.

00:33:49.000 I was the guy who actually put in Schedule F and really wrestled the whole proposition of personnel as policy.

00:33:56.000 I took over that federal agency, gave it back to the president.

00:33:59.000 So I'm a guy who's been in the trenches, an actual guy in the arena.

00:34:04.000 President Trump, he's meeting with the Kennedy Center board today.

00:34:07.000 He actually put my wife on.

00:34:09.000 She's in world-famous ballerina, Mary Helen Bowers.

00:34:12.000 And as we speak, we are awaiting baby number five.

00:34:16.000 We were at the 40-week mark today, guys.

00:34:19.000 So if you hear something off camera, I can attest.

00:34:23.000 I saw your wife briefly behind you as we were prepping for this.

00:34:28.000 And she's pregnant. 0.96

00:34:30.000 I can attest, you know, that baby's got to be nearly ready.

00:34:34.000 So, you know, okay, so I guess the dig on you from the Lynch camp is that, you know, you're not a native South Carolinian, Carolinian.

00:34:46.000 Where are you from?

00:34:47.000 And what do you have to say to that attack? 1.00

00:34:49.000 Well, it's a really dumb attack. 0.95

00:34:51.000 I grew up in Maryland mainly, but my dad was in the military and he was a Vietnam vet. 0.96

00:34:57.000 We moved around.

00:34:57.000 And actually, half, a lot of our population here are military dependents.

00:35:01.000 So that's a really bad idea to go after military dependence.

00:35:05.000 But I got married here 20 years ago on Johns Island to my Carolina bride.

00:35:10.000 And we have been living here going on 10 years next year.

00:35:13.000 So we have 4.99 kids.

00:35:16.000 And I have a stake in the future.

00:35:19.000 I live the life that Charlie talked about, the going to church, getting married, having kids.

00:35:25.000 I took all three of those very seriously, probably the last one the most.

00:35:28.000 But this is about generational change.

00:35:31.000 You know, I go around to the TPUSA chapters and there's excitement, whether I'm at the College of Charleston or University of South Carolina, Clemson, Anderson, Coastal Carolina.

00:35:41.000 Everyone here, you know, Southern Charleston, Charleston Southern rather, are excited for a candidate who's out there living the life.

00:35:50.000 I was the architect of Project 2025.

00:35:52.000 So I have a vision for what this great state could be again.

00:35:55.000 And that's really what I want to do.

00:35:57.000 I want to make this a place for our kids so the next generation can have kids and come together and live as God intended in a land of milk and honey here in South Carolina.

00:36:07.000 Yeah.

00:36:07.000 Well, the whole Schedule F, that was one of my favorite ideas that emerged.

00:36:14.000 And so I just want to make sure I pause and give you some kudos if that was your brain child.

00:36:19.000 I think that was a really big shot across the deep state swamp bow right there.

00:36:24.000 Blake, I'm going to throw it to you.

00:36:26.000 Next question to you, sir.

00:36:28.000 Yeah, of course.

00:36:28.000 And if any of you have questions you want to ask, this is the time to do it.

00:36:31.000 Send us email, freedom at charliekirk.com for dance or for lynch later in the hour.

00:36:37.000 We'd love to see those.

00:36:39.000 I suppose a thing a lot of people are just going to want to know, and I'm just straightforwardly, is what meaningful change are they going to get by swapping from Graham to you?

00:36:49.000 And I think this is your chance to answer specifically, for example, how are you on questions like the filibuster, on the SAVE Act, on the SCAM Act?

00:36:58.000 What needs to change within the Senate?

00:37:00.000 And I guess another follow-up is, should there be a change of leadership in the Senate on the GOP side?

00:37:05.000 Right.

00:37:06.000 Peace in our time.

00:37:07.000 Okay.

00:37:08.000 I'm not a warmonger.

00:37:10.000 I'm a dad of five, and I want our kids to have a future in this great country.

00:37:15.000 So yeah, look, I'm jettising the filibuster day one.

00:37:18.000 I am a real conservative, an America first guy.

00:37:22.000 So I'm going to be doing foreign policy only through the lens of the U.S. first.

00:37:26.000 What affects the people on the ground here in South Carolina?

00:37:30.000 I'm offering generational change.

00:37:32.000 And what does that mean?

00:37:33.000 It's giving our next generation a stake.

00:37:36.000 Basically, I want to put shop class back in middle and high schools.

00:37:40.000 I want to teach kids to get ready for this big change with AI coming on.

00:37:46.000 I'm offering a 21st century homesteading act.

00:37:50.000 What does that mean?

00:37:51.000 That means declaring farmland critical infrastructure.

00:37:55.000 Imagine setting up a 100-acre farm, letting this next generation put down roots and raise healthy, local, affordable food right here in South Carolina.

00:38:06.000 This is what our ancestors did 100 years ago.

00:38:09.000 I'm going to tackle the opioid crisis.

00:38:12.000 Here in South Carolina, we have 2,000 people dying each year of opioids.

00:38:17.000 And it's the sort of thing where the Sacklers, if you know the Sacklers, they declared war here on our populations. 1.00

00:38:27.000 This is really.

00:38:28.000 Who are the Sacklers? 0.95

00:38:29.000 Okay, so the Sacklers were one of the groups that helped usher in the opioid crisis.

00:38:34.000 There's a great documentary on this, A Crime of the Century.

00:38:37.000 But this is a group that really went after white America as a genocide of sorts that were really targeting populations.

00:38:45.000 So we're now stepping back from that, saying, how can we fix South Carolina, get money in the pockets of people who can help the victims, but also give them the new life, the promise.

00:38:58.000 And I go and campaign.

00:38:59.000 I run into families and I tell them my platform.

00:39:02.000 And, you know, literally, I was in Murray's Inlet last week.

00:39:05.000 I'm talking to five people, a woman and a man.

00:39:08.000 She tells me her son died of opioids and the gentleman with her, his daughter.

00:39:13.000 So this is affecting everyone here.

00:39:15.000 It's really an epidemic.

00:39:18.000 But, you know, we were really promising to make a future here.

00:39:21.000 Our state, for those who haven't been here, is the worst in the country in terms of roads.

00:39:26.000 Our infrastructure is 30 years behind.

00:39:28.000 And we have a U.S. senator who spends every other weekend in foreign countries, whether he needs to or not.

00:39:34.000 All right, let's just play a clip from Lindsey Graham to express and show what we're up against here. 0.98

00:39:39.000 Cut eight.

00:39:40.000 They wanted the Iranians stop as much as the Israelis did. 0.85

00:39:44.000 So legally.

00:39:45.000 God bless Israel.

00:39:46.000 We should move all our stuff to Israel. 0.95

00:39:48.000 Thank you.

00:39:49.000 I don't even know what he means there exactly, but it does seem to be a repeat theme.

00:39:53.000 Paul Dance, what is your position on Israel, the war in Iran?

00:40:00.000 How should we be approaching it?

00:40:01.000 How should we be talking about it?

00:40:03.000 I'm just going to show my own cards here.

00:40:04.000 One of my issues is it just seems like he's frothing at the mouth, just so eager to bomb foreign lands.

00:40:09.000 How would you be different?

00:40:11.000 Well, he wants to bomb everything pretty much, the moves.

00:40:14.000 I am America first guy.

00:40:16.000 I am a guy who trusted in Trump.

00:40:19.000 We elected him as our commander-in-chief.

00:40:21.000 I have great trust in him.

00:40:22.000 Look, I'm a believer in Israel and its right to exist, but we have to measure everything by Americans' interests first.

00:40:30.000 And here you have a guy who's talking about sending our sons and daughters off to war in the Middle East.

00:40:36.000 It's really too much.

00:40:38.000 We've gone through the prior wars of this 21st century, and we know we, as Charlie warned, these are quagmires.

00:40:47.000 And President Trump, we rely on him to kind of.

00:40:53.000 But right now, we are very leery about any sort of ground war.

00:40:58.000 We want to concentrate here at home in the Western hemisphere.

00:41:00.000 Let's lock down from Terra del Fuego up to Greenland.

00:41:04.000 Let's make ourselves secure here so we don't have Chinese balloons floating over our country. 1.00

00:41:08.000 So what do you say to when President Trump says, listen, they were about to have an immunity shield.

00:41:12.000 They were making all these missiles.

00:41:14.000 Nobody was going to be able to attack the nuclear program that we've heard about for the last however many decades.

00:41:20.000 What do you say?

00:41:21.000 What's your reaction to that?

00:41:23.000 Well, I'm trusting in Trump.

00:41:24.000 I don't have access to that intelligence, but I do know that, you know, with Operation Midnight Hammer, they made a devastating blow.

00:41:32.000 And right now, we do have this strategic threat looming in the east, and we can't be everywhere at once.

00:41:38.000 So that's really the worry.

00:41:40.000 My worry is ultimately China and the threat matrix as we take missiles off of out of South Korea and move them to points Middle East. 0.97

00:41:49.000 Right now, the theory is that we have to protect ourselves.

00:41:52.000 But let's start first by getting back on our own feet, reindustrializing America.

00:41:56.000 We can't even build those submarines here because we don't have welders.

00:42:00.000 We don't have welders because we don't have shop class in school and high schools here.

00:42:05.000 And so I'm fundamentally about building back America first. 0.86

00:42:09.000 And if you throw me, you know, I'm endorsed by Tucker Carlson.

00:42:13.000 So I have a lot of his perspective on Israel.

00:42:18.000 But, you know, I want to protect them, but also measure it within the realm of what the United States can do at this stage.

00:42:25.000 Blake, do you have a follow-up for what always goes with foreign policy is, of course, immigration.

00:42:33.000 Another question we like to ask candidates on immigration, do you support an immigration moratorium?

00:42:39.000 Or if not, what's your ideal balance for how many people should be coming into America? 0.56

00:42:43.000 I'm all for the moratorium.

00:42:45.000 Look, and I also want to stop H-1B visas. 0.98

00:42:48.000 I want to start sending these 50 million visa holders home. 1.00

00:42:51.000 I want American kids to be grad school students in engineering colleges again.

00:42:56.000 I want TAs who speak English. 1.00

00:42:58.000 Look, I went to MIT.

00:43:00.000 I went to public schools and got there.

00:43:03.000 But we deserve a better educational system.

00:43:06.000 And so that starts with this mass immigration.

00:43:09.000 Lindsey Graham, of course, famously Graham Nesty, he's the guy who's been on watch for these 32 years when 20 million came in here.

00:43:16.000 He's the guy who offered the Afghan Adjustment Act to give people citizenship, the same ones who killed Sarah Bextram.

00:43:24.000 She's the National Guardswoman assassinated within a block of the White House at Thanksgiving. 1.00

00:43:28.000 So, yes, we have to go after immigration. 0.97

00:43:31.000 And that starts by giving our kids the opportunities here at home.

00:43:35.000 So, you know, we have to address the elephant in the room here, Paul, and that is that, you know, you say in Trump we trust.

00:43:43.000 We're trusting that he's making these tough decisions.

00:43:46.000 But he's endorsed Lindsey Graham.

00:43:48.000 So what do you do with that?

00:43:51.000 It seems like you don't take it personally, but what do you tell the voters in South Carolina about that?

00:43:57.000 Well, let's remember, Trump endorsed Lindsey Graham back in March.

00:44:00.000 I jumped in this race in August.

00:44:02.000 It's because I couldn't hold my nose and I was not on the radar for President Trump.

00:44:06.000 So I jumped in this because I've been the Trump guy from the jump.

00:44:09.000 When Lindsey Graham was saying, you know, that he'd be the worst president or a disaster for the Republican Party, went on to pass that dossier over to the FBI.

00:44:18.000 I'm a guy who was working for President Trump and in the war room.

00:44:22.000 So look, I don't take it personally.

00:44:25.000 Every day that the Trump administration rolls out Project 2025 proposals that include stuff like putting the servicemen back in who were drilled out because they refused to take the jab or stripping DEI from our military, all these sort of things.

00:44:42.000 That's kind of an imprimatur of my work.

00:44:45.000 We have to get Lindsey Graham out.

00:44:47.000 He is very unpopular here at home.

00:44:49.000 And right now he's under way under 50%.

00:44:51.000 So there will be a runoff. 0.99

00:44:52.000 It's who is your fighter?

00:44:54.000 Who's the guy who's actually been fighting?

00:44:56.000 And who do you want in the future?

00:44:58.000 Yeah.

00:44:58.000 And so let's go there.

00:44:59.000 And Blake, if you have a follow-up, please, by all means.

00:45:02.000 I'm going to ask about Lynch next.

00:45:03.000 So I don't know.

00:45:04.000 Do you have a follow-up?

00:45:05.000 No, I think now's a good time to get it.

00:45:07.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 So you just mentioned the runoff here, Paul.

00:45:10.000 So we've got, give us the schedule of events and then make your case.

00:45:14.000 Why you and not Lynch?

00:45:16.000 Right.

00:45:16.000 We got about 205 or six events in the next 80 days or so to the election.

00:45:23.000 The primary is June 9th.

00:45:25.000 I'm moving all over the state.

00:45:26.000 I just threw in a million dollars of my own money for this race. 0.94

00:45:30.000 I've hired the number one digital team in the state.

00:45:33.000 These are the guys who took Charleston here, where I'm talking to you from.

00:45:36.000 They flipped it to red for the first time since Reconstruction.

00:45:39.000 So we are moving out digitally.

00:45:42.000 This is where all the excitement is.

00:45:44.000 And, you know, this is also the promise in the next generation.

00:45:47.000 I should also say for older viewers, look, get your cotton picking hands off Social Security, Lindsey Graham, because he's going to cut those benefits, given a chance to pay for these wars. 0.62

00:45:57.000 And he's doing the same with vets benefits.

00:45:59.000 I'm going to be a guy who works for the constituents.

00:46:02.000 And for that matter, for Democrats here in South Carolina, we all sit in traffic.

00:46:06.000 We all have the horrific infrastructure.

00:46:09.000 We all get the terrible electric bills.

00:46:11.000 When I bring healthy food here, that's going to help everyone.

00:46:15.000 So that's the promise of this campaign.

00:46:18.000 It's really a generational change.

00:46:20.000 Lindsey, my two opponents, they're 70-year-old guys.

00:46:24.000 That's old.

00:46:25.000 That's out.

00:46:27.000 And one's an unknown.

00:46:28.000 And the other guy we know all too well, what he'll do is backstab President Trump.

00:46:33.000 He'll put in Democrats on the Supreme Court like he did Kagan and Sodomayor. 0.95

00:46:38.000 He put those district court judges.

00:46:40.000 I'm a top attorney.

00:46:42.000 I went to the University of Virginia School of Law.

00:46:44.000 I'm former president of the Federalist Society for two terms.

00:46:47.000 I'm a constitutional conservative, and I will be a force.

00:46:50.000 I will get Fauci in an orange jumpsuit.

00:46:54.000 Okay, that's what I'm going to do. 0.83

00:46:56.000 I'm actually going to drag these scoundrels. 0.98

00:46:58.000 There's no way they're getting off on my watch. 0.99

00:47:01.000 You know, you look at the Comey and Clapper and all these clowns that Lindsey Graham never did anything for. 0.99

00:47:08.000 Let's send somebody to Washington who's actually going to go after them.

00:47:12.000 Well, you probably just won a lot of fans in this audience with the Fauci line.

00:47:16.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:47:18.000 He killed my father.

00:47:19.000 When I get up there in the Judiciary Committee, I'm going to be like, Fauci, my name is Paul Dans. 0.96

00:47:26.000 You killed my father. 0.96

00:47:28.000 Prepare to lie. 1.00

00:47:30.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:47:31.000 So what about your opponent, Lynch?

00:47:36.000 Why you and not him?

00:47:38.000 Well, I've been in the arena.

00:47:39.000 That's the bottom line.

00:47:40.000 It's a little late to start walking on the field for Super Bowl Sunday when you haven't taken a play in the NFL.

00:47:46.000 I've been working for President Trump since 15.

00:47:49.000 I was in the engine room at 16, helped him across the line in Pennsylvania.

00:47:56.000 Then I went to work for Dr. Carson.

00:47:58.000 Like I said, I took over a federal agency at OPM.

00:48:01.000 I know the whole gang because I set up Project 2025 and worked with TPUSA and 100 other partners in the conservative spirit.

00:48:09.000 So, you know, this is, I'm ready to get to work day one.

00:48:12.000 I know the policies.

00:48:13.000 A lot of what the White House is doing is works that came from what I had helped organize.

00:48:19.000 So, you know, whether it's working with the DPC and Vince Haley, look, I know Vince.

00:48:24.000 You know, I helped him.

00:48:25.000 They got the first six copies of our book.

00:48:28.000 So this is seamless.

00:48:30.000 I'm going to be President Trump's number one fighter in the U.S. Senate.

00:48:34.000 And you're going to have Paul, you know, a guy you can walk in his office and say, no, get me some answers.

00:48:41.000 I want to see people in leg irons.

00:48:43.000 You know, with the Sacklers, look, they better get me on a good day because that's prison on a good day.

00:48:48.000 And God forbid on a bad day.

00:48:50.000 What's happened here is genocide.

00:48:52.000 And people need, we need accountability.

00:48:54.000 Fauci, again, on a good day, he'll be in jail.

00:48:58.000 Blake, final question to you.

00:48:59.000 We got a minute and a half left.

00:49:01.000 You know, I guess I think we've got a pretty, I think we got it.

00:49:05.000 That was such a strong statement.

00:49:07.000 I almost don't want to muddle it with another question here.

00:49:10.000 You made a strong case.

00:49:11.000 We want to be clear.

00:49:13.000 Yeah.

00:49:13.000 Well, so definitely send us emails.

00:49:16.000 But we want to just make it clear.

00:49:17.000 We haven't endorsed anyone in this, but I know Charlie was an ally of yours, a friend of yours.

00:49:23.000 He was a huge fan of Project 2020 25, and people should take all of that into an account.

00:49:29.000 But definitely send us emails on how you feel about this.

00:49:32.000 Yeah.

00:49:32.000 Final word, Paul.

00:49:33.000 We need to honor Charlie's legacy.

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00:49:44.000 He's talking to all of us, not just us here in South Carolina.

00:49:47.000 I've thrown down for this.

00:49:49.000 I put in my money.

00:49:51.000 I'm putting my life on the line.

00:49:52.000 And I've gotten death threats, right?

00:49:54.000 With Project 2025, Biden put a death threat on me.

00:49:57.000 But the reality is like we're patriots 250 years.

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00:50:18.000 Thank you for your time, sir.

00:50:19.000 That was a very compelling pitch.

00:50:20.000 Thank you, sir.

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00:51:37.000 Without further ado, I want to welcome our next guest, Mark Lynch, who's running for Senate in the great state of South Carolina to unseat Lindsey Graham.

00:51:46.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, sir.

00:51:49.000 Thank you, Andrew.

00:51:50.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:51:51.000 Well, it's a pleasure, and I'm excited to see the contrast here.

00:51:55.000 I want to play a cut from Lindsey Graham just to set the stage. 0.83

00:51:59.000 Go ahead and play it, studio.

00:52:01.000 I go back to South Carolina.

00:52:02.000 I'm asking them to send their sons and daughters over to the Mideast. 1.00

00:52:06.000 What I want you to do in the Mideast, our friends in Saudi Arabia and other places, step forward and say, this is my fight, too.

00:52:12.000 I join America.

00:52:13.000 I'm publicly involved in bringing this regime down.

00:52:16.000 So, sir, that is the senator right now from the state of South Carolina.

00:52:23.000 What's it going to take to unseat Lindsey Graham and why are you the right man for the job? 0.97

00:52:27.000 Well, the people in South Carolina have said 57% of them back when we polled in May that they will not vote for Lindsey Graham again.

00:52:37.000 They love Trump.

00:52:39.000 They know Trump endorsed Lindsey, but that endorsement won't save him this time.

00:52:43.000 And I'm running on a God-first platform to bring back true conservative patriotism to this seat.

00:52:50.000 Lindsey has had a 57% constitutional voting record.

00:52:55.000 He's failing South Carolinians.

00:52:57.000 He's betrayed us with a 43% conservative review score.

00:53:02.000 And he stabs Trump in the back every chance he has.

00:53:05.000 And we've all seen him.

00:53:06.000 He hasn't been in South Carolina for over a year.

00:53:08.000 He's been everywhere else, you know, trying to start World War III because he's got a bloodlust.

00:53:15.000 He salivates when he talks about war.

00:53:18.000 But he'll come back home to take our sons and daughters over to the Middle East.

00:53:22.000 I don't think so.

00:53:23.000 You're not taking our children over there for your bloodlust financial gain.

00:53:27.000 And we say no to that in South Carolina.

00:53:30.000 And enough's enough.

00:53:31.000 We've had enough in Lindsey.

00:53:33.000 I think that's the bloodlust really resonates.

00:53:36.000 It resonates with me.

00:53:37.000 It resonates, I'm sure, with Blake.

00:53:38.000 And of course, it resonated with Charlie.

00:53:41.000 So the question then becomes, why you and not Paul Dan's?

00:53:47.000 Why should South Carolinians vote for you in the primary and send you to the runoff against Lindsey Graham? 0.95

00:53:53.000 Well, I was born in Greenville.

00:53:55.000 I'm a lifelong South Carolinian.

00:53:57.000 Paul's never lived here.

00:53:58.000 He's from New York, resides in Maryland.

00:54:01.000 He steps into this race, I think, to probably upset the numbers and split the vote off.

00:54:06.000 He's an attorney, and South Carolina says they're not for attorneys.

00:54:10.000 They're for successful businessmen like Trump.

00:54:13.000 They don't want another attorney or career politician.

00:54:16.000 So that's me.

00:54:17.000 I've run my family business, and I've grown it 35 times in 40 years, and we're debt-free.

00:54:23.000 I don't think Paul even has a job right now since he was fired from Heritage Organization.

00:54:30.000 So South Carolinians are looking for somebody that's worked through normal life stuff.

00:54:36.000 I've been married 37 years to the same woman.

00:54:39.000 We have two children, four grandchildren.

00:54:41.000 We're very successful and run a debt-free business.

00:54:44.000 And I've put $5 million of our retirement fund, my wife and I's retirement fund, when we decided to do this, to make people understand we're committed to this race.

00:54:55.000 We've got skin in the game.

00:54:56.000 And I came up through this and got asked to run from my work in the national security space, working with John Guandolo, who is one of the heads of the anti-terrorism division of the FBI, working with General Mike Flynn, who's fully endorsed my campaign.

00:55:11.000 So we're for real, and we bring that knowledge to this seat that's needed in this United States Senate seat.

00:55:17.000 Blake?

00:55:18.000 Yes.

00:55:19.000 Next question to you, sir.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, Mark.

00:55:20.000 So we asked Paul his position on, obviously, immigration is another big issue that a lot of people care about.

00:55:27.000 He said he endorsed a moratorium on immigration for the United States.

00:55:32.000 How do you feel on the immigration question in particular?

00:55:35.000 And what's the right approach for the U.S. on obviously illegal, but also legal immigration?

00:55:40.000 Yeah, and that's the key word.

00:55:42.000 We have immigration.

00:55:43.000 This American dreams for everybody if they come through the proper channels of legal vetting.

00:55:49.000 But to have open borders like we've had with Obama and Biden, thousands of terrorists have entered this country illegally.

00:55:57.000 Lindsay's been for granting amnesty for all illegal aliens, which is just insane.

00:56:03.000 And, you know, he's helped produce these sanctuary cities that he's now saying he's against and trying to stop.

00:56:11.000 But, you know, America's full.

00:56:13.000 We've got to get rid of the illegal aliens in here and deport them. 1.00

00:56:17.000 They know they're illegal. 1.00

00:56:18.000 A lot of them are terrorists.

00:56:20.000 And like everybody says now with this Iran war, what are we going to do about the sleeper cells?

00:56:26.000 And people understand that now.

00:56:28.000 And, you know, we've been working in this area since 2014, training our police and FBI and sled agents and police deputies and sheriff's deputies on dealing with the Islamic infiltration in America and dealing with it at the local level. 0.65

00:56:43.000 So we've got a real problem here, and we've got a lot of work to do.

00:56:47.000 So on the legal immigration front, just to kind of drill in a little there, right now, you know, we issue about 1.2 million green cards a year, essentially.

00:56:59.000 Do you have a disagreement with that number?

00:57:01.000 Is it too high?

00:57:01.000 Is it just right?

00:57:02.000 Would you go for maybe a net zero immigration moratorium on the legal side of that ledger?

00:57:08.000 Yeah, we probably need a net zero for a while to get cleaned up and get caught up to what we've caused.

00:57:14.000 And we've got to stop the H-1B and opt visas. 1.00

00:57:18.000 You know, we have students at like Clemson University talking about that.

00:57:22.000 One of the students said, I'm an engineering student and I graduate next year and I'm going to be competing against students from India.

00:57:28.000 Their country paid for their tuition and they'll never assimilate into this country and they'll take my job for half pay. 1.00

00:57:36.000 And I was born here.

00:57:38.000 And, you know, Mr. Lynch, what are we doing about that?

00:57:41.000 And I agree.

00:57:42.000 We've got to bring back America first principles, bring our manufacturing back, and hire Americans for our jobs. 0.98

00:57:50.000 I want to ask another question because it's another one we put to Paul.

00:57:53.000 So there's a lot of dispute among the base over whether the Senate is doing enough to support the president at the leadership level.

00:58:01.000 We have this dispute over the SAVE Act, whether they should get rid of the filibuster.

00:58:04.000 Do you think it is time for us to get rid of the filibuster to pass more conservative legislation?

00:58:10.000 And do you think we should have different leadership of Republicans in the Senate?

00:58:14.000 100%.

00:58:15.000 You know, we have, we use a nice word called rhinos, like we use abortion for murdering our children in this country. 0.93

00:58:23.000 It's murder.

00:58:24.000 But we've got to get true Republicans back in the Senate.

00:58:28.000 And I'm for ending the filibuster.

00:58:30.000 The filibuster allows for our Senate to hide. 0.63

00:58:33.000 They play the shell game.

00:58:35.000 They don't ever get to a decision.

00:58:37.000 If anything's hard on one side or the other, it stalls out.

00:58:41.000 And, you know, we have our Homeland Security Department of our country closed for 30 days or more so far.

00:58:48.000 That's incredible.

00:58:50.000 I don't get to do that in my business.

00:58:52.000 We have to gather up our biggest, best committees on a subject, analyze it, hear all the angles, and make a decision and keep moving forward.

00:59:00.000 If I close my business for a month, that would be detrimental to our company's future and to our employees.

00:59:06.000 That's insane.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, I mean, I think we all share your frustrations in that.

00:59:12.000 You know, we just had a great senator on the show, Eric Schmidt from the great state of Missouri.

00:59:18.000 He's proposing something called the Scam Act.

00:59:21.000 You see these sleeper cells that have popped up, whether they're lone wolves or not.

00:59:25.000 They're motivated by Islamic ideas, jihad. 1.00

00:59:31.000 He's proposing that we make it easier to denaturalize and deport these people. 0.90

00:59:36.000 Would you support the Scam Act, sir?

00:59:39.000 Yes, from what you've told me, yes.

00:59:41.000 I mean, we've got a problem.

00:59:43.000 You know, in the Quran, all Muslims are jihadists, and jihad is warring against all non-Muslims. 1.00

00:59:50.000 And there's two forms of jihad and the surah versus the sword, military action, and then civilization jihad, where they say they will take their enemies down by their own hands.

01:00:02.000 And we've experienced that in this country.

01:00:04.000 They've never fired a shot.

01:00:06.000 I mean, in South Carolina, they're proposing we're one of two states left in the country that hasn't passed a hate crimes bill.

01:00:15.000 And a hate crimes bill is being promoted by CARE, the Council of American Islamic Relations, and they're a Hamas terrorist organization.

01:00:23.000 Now, why would CARE be so interested in South Carolina State House passing a hate crimes bill? 0.80

01:00:30.000 Because that'll do away with our First Amendment freedom of speech rights, and it ushers in Sharia law. 1.00

01:00:36.000 It's just another form of getting that done.

01:00:39.000 And all Muslims are obligated to establish in a caliphate under Sharia law, period. 1.00

01:00:45.000 And there's no other version of Islam taught anywhere in the world.

01:00:48.000 We've got a problem right here at home where Lindsay's focused on everything else and he's left our country.

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01:02:26.000 We need to get rid of Lindsey Graham. 1.00

01:02:28.000 And so we had Paul Danz, and now we're talking with Mark Lynch.

01:02:31.000 So let's talk about Israel, foreign policy.

01:02:36.000 I have an honest question here, Mark.

01:02:39.000 How many days a month is Lindsey Graham even in South Carolina? 1.00

01:02:44.000 None.

01:02:46.000 He's been in Israel going over there at least every couple of weeks, like he says, for two weeks. 0.77

01:02:52.000 And he says, I'll die with Israel.

01:02:54.000 You know, so we see his loyalties to Israel and not America.

01:02:59.000 I mean, that's shocking.

01:03:00.000 And I hope everybody internalizes that at home.

01:03:03.000 You know, we have a lot of evangelicals that watch this show.

01:03:06.000 They love Israel.

01:03:08.000 We support them.

01:03:09.000 We like them more than the other guys.

01:03:11.000 But I say, I was born in this country.

01:03:12.000 I'm going to die in this country.

01:03:14.000 My kids are born in this country. 1.00

01:03:15.000 They're going to die in this country.

01:03:16.000 I'm all about this country.

01:03:18.000 What's your position, sir, on the state of Israel?

01:03:21.000 How should America's partnership be with Israel?

01:03:24.000 And then relate it to the conflict in Iran, please.

01:03:27.000 Yes.

01:03:27.000 Well, I love Israel.

01:03:29.000 You know, my Lord and Savior was a Jew.

01:03:32.000 But if I go to the U.S. Senate, I work for America.

01:03:36.000 And we have our own sovereignty right here to protect.

01:03:40.000 And I've read the book.

01:03:42.000 Nobody's going to mess with Israel.

01:03:44.000 God's got his hand on them.

01:03:46.000 He's blessing Israel, protecting them.

01:03:49.000 I know they're surrounded by all these Muslim nations, and they are our ally.

01:03:54.000 But on a business standpoint, in math, we're broke.

01:03:59.000 We're $38 trillion in debt.

01:04:01.000 So if Netanyahu called and I was sitting with Trump, I'd say, hey, we were just fixing to call you to ask you for some money.

01:04:08.000 We're broke over here.

01:04:09.000 And can you send us some F-15s and a couple of billion dollars?

01:04:14.000 We need some cash right now.

01:04:16.000 We're in a bind over here.

01:04:17.000 We've got to tend to our stuff at home before we can come back over there and help you.

01:04:22.000 And I know I love Trump.

01:04:24.000 He's one of the greatest presidents ever.

01:04:26.000 He's for promoting peace.

01:04:28.000 He's a great negotiator, like we've all seen.

01:04:31.000 And he gives people a chance and he promotes peace.

01:04:36.000 And Lindsay, I don't know who he thinks he is back during the Ukraine dilemma this past summer.

01:04:43.000 Finally, Trump called him out on it and said, you need to be careful what you're talking about over there to Zelensky.

01:04:48.000 He was trying to arbitrate between Putin and Zelensky and promote peace.

01:04:52.000 And Lindsay's a warmonger doing everything he can for his two major contributors, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, who both contributed like over $30 and $40 million in his last race in 2020.

01:05:04.000 So we know war is big bucks, but it's blood money.

01:05:10.000 We can't start wars we don't need to start.

01:05:12.000 We need to promote peace in the world and do the right thing and take care of our Americans here at home and run our country and not let other countries run us or some bloodlust war mongerer like Lindsey Graham. 0.70

01:05:27.000 It's got to stop.

01:05:28.000 Everybody's tired of it.

01:05:29.000 I want to poke at another issue where I think there could be a difference between you and Mr. Dan's.

01:05:35.000 So you mentioned the budget, how we're broke.

01:05:40.000 Dan's, when he was on here, he warned that Lindsey Graham wants to reduce Social Security benefits, that he'll go after some of the senior entitlements to pay for the war.

01:05:49.000 To pay for his wars.

01:05:50.000 Yes, exactly.

01:05:51.000 So how do you feel on that dimension?

01:05:54.000 Do you think it is time that we reformed some of those things?

01:05:57.000 Or where, since we are concerned about the budget and how broke we are, where do you think that Congress should look to reduce spending?

01:06:03.000 I mean, everywhere.

01:06:05.000 When we present, we show the hierarchy of the government.

01:06:08.000 We show all the unconstitutional agencies.

01:06:11.000 And one of them is like the Department of Education. 0.70

01:06:14.000 We've been corrupting our minds with a core education program that communists and Islamic terrorists wrote to get our children to hate America. 0.94

01:06:22.000 They don't learn our history. 0.99

01:06:24.000 They get taught they should probably look at transgender surgeries and change their sex if they want to. 0.60

01:06:30.000 And these departments and unconstitutional agencies in the country, if we could close them all down, the expert economists say that would bring back 80% of our budget.

01:06:42.000 And one of them is the Federal Reserve.

01:06:45.000 That's a conglomeration of the richest families in the world that went down to Jekyll Island and formed that.

01:06:50.000 And we're printing money, increasing our inflation.

01:06:52.000 And then we wake up and they take a skim overnight like they did in 2008, and $300 billion was paid off to them.

01:07:00.000 And then they ushered in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and started taking over our housing and Obamacare, our health insurance.

01:07:07.000 And we're slowly rolling into communism.

01:07:11.000 You know, and everybody's, I think, caught up on that topic now.

01:07:17.000 And we see where we are.

01:07:19.000 But we've got to cut spending.

01:07:22.000 That's what I do in business.

01:07:24.000 You know, we're debt-free, personally and corporately.

01:07:27.000 And when we don't have money, I don't have a printer that we can just keep printing more money.

01:07:33.000 So war is a costly thing.

01:07:35.000 And we've been spending an average at the beginning of $1.5 billion a day and increasing and adding on to our deficit at $38 trillion and growing.

01:07:46.000 We can't pay the interest, and our grandchildren aren't going to have a chance at the country that I grew up in.

01:07:53.000 And that's why I'm running to stop this and get it back under control.

01:07:57.000 So you would be a budget hawk.

01:07:59.000 It sounds like a deficit hawk, which we fully endorse.

01:08:02.000 So, yeah, Lindsay's been the head of the budget committee.

01:08:06.000 He's failing in that area too, isn't he?

01:08:09.000 So it's time for him to go.

01:08:11.000 30 seconds here, sir.

01:08:12.000 I think this is going to be a referendum on who can beat Lindsay.

01:08:17.000 So we'll end where we started.

01:08:18.000 Final pitch: why can you beat Lindsay and not Dan's?

01:08:22.000 And tell people where they can find you.

01:08:24.000 Yes.

01:08:24.000 Well, I'm a lifelong South Carolinian.

01:08:26.000 We have the finances in our FEC account to do it.

01:08:30.000 Paul doesn't.

01:08:32.000 I'm a God-fearing patriot.

01:08:34.000 I'm an ordained deacon at our church.

01:08:36.000 We wear these crosses with the American flag on it because making God first again will be the key to making America great again.

01:08:45.000 That'll just be the fruit if we can bring God back into Congress.

01:08:49.000 You know, our forefathers knew that God endowed us with certain unalienable rights.

01:08:55.000 And my only authority as your United States Senator for South Carolina will be to protect those making decisions based off of God's word and through the Constitution.

01:09:05.000 That's how I make every decision.

01:09:07.000 God bless you.

01:09:07.000 Mark Lynch, running for Senate.

01:09:10.000 Thank you for your time, sir.

01:09:11.000 God bless you.

01:09:12.000 Thank you.

01:09:12.000 God bless y'all.

01:09:18.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 16, 2026

Who Gets To Replace Lindsey Graham? + Who Is MAGA?

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