The Charlie Kirk Show - "Who is One Eye?" and Other Hunter Biden Questions with Miranda Devine and Kane

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00:01:27.000 There have been some incredible allegations put forward by Dr. Gal Luft.

00:01:34.000 And the person who broke the story, who knows it very, very well, is Miranda Devine from the New York Post, and she joins us now.

00:01:40.000 Miranda, thank you for taking the time.

00:01:42.000 Admittedly, some of these allegations are hard to track and pinpoint.

00:01:46.000 So I'm just going to give you the opportunity to walk us through how you came in contact with the source.

00:01:51.000 What is the allegation?

00:01:52.000 Miranda Devine.

00:01:54.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:01:55.000 Well, Gal Luft is an Israeli professor.

00:01:59.000 He was a fixture in the think tank circles in Washington, D.C. for about a decade.

00:02:05.000 And he did business with the same Chinese characters who were paying the Bidens millions of dollars.

00:02:14.000 Gal Luft's think tank had people like the former CIA director James Woolsey, former NSA director Robert McFarlane as senior advisors.

00:02:27.000 He was interviewed on NPR and CBS and so on.

00:02:33.000 He was a legitimate figure.

00:02:34.000 People I've talked to in Washington, D.C. said that he was credible.

00:02:39.000 And so what happens?

00:02:42.000 He gets arrested in February in Cyprus on gun running charges.

00:02:47.000 First I'd ever heard of him.

00:02:48.000 He puts out a tweet and he says, these charges are completely bogus.

00:02:53.000 I've been set up because someone is trying to protect Joe Biden, Jim Biden, and Hunter Biden, Jim Biden being Joe Biden's younger brother.

00:03:06.000 And so, of course, that piqued my interest.

00:03:08.000 I got in contact with his lawyer, had an interview with his lawyer who told an intriguing tale, which was that Gal Luft was about to testify or had been talking anyway to House Oversight Committee now run by Republicans.

00:03:25.000 He was going to testify about bribery allegations to do with the Biden family and the Chinese.

00:03:33.000 And he also had given this information to the government back in March of 2019, a month before Joe Biden announced that he was running for president.

00:03:47.000 It was called a proffer meeting where he gives information to two prosecutors from the Southern District of New York and four FBI agents.

00:03:58.000 They met on neutral territory in Brussels because at that point he was living in Israel.

00:04:04.000 And the meeting went over many hours over two days in the American embassy in Brussels.

00:04:11.000 And what he alleges is that nothing ever came of that meeting, that there was never any investigation done into Joe Biden.

00:04:20.000 He had told them dollar amounts of money that had been paid to Hunter and Jim Biden by the Chinese.

00:04:29.000 I think it was $100,000 a month to Hunter, $65,000 to Jim Biden.

00:04:34.000 He told them how the money was getting to the Biden family through a Biden family associate called Rob Walker.

00:04:40.000 The money would be paid to his account.

00:04:42.000 He would then funnel it across to members of the Biden family.

00:04:47.000 And the other thing that Gal Luft said that he told the DOJ and FBI in Brussels was that Hunter Biden had a mole inside the FBI who had the nickname One Eye.

00:04:59.000 I know it sounds ridiculous, but that's what he said.

00:05:02.000 And that this FBI mole had given classified information to the Chinese via Hunter.

00:05:10.000 And that included tipping them off when the FBI had an investigation against them.

00:05:17.000 So this all sounds like a very wild story, but elements of it really do check out.

00:05:22.000 And so I've been talking, I'd been talking to Gal Luft's lawyer, and I had been promised that a whole lot of questions that I had to follow up that the lawyer couldn't answer, that he would put to Gal Luft, who was then in jail in Cyprus.

00:05:36.000 Then in April, Gal Luft gets bail, disappears, and he becomes the missing witness that James Comer talked about.

00:05:45.000 And so I have been harassing.

00:05:49.000 I was harassing the lawyer ever since.

00:05:52.000 You know, I want the answers to my question, but I also want to know what happened to Gal Luft.

00:05:56.000 There were all sorts of stories.

00:05:58.000 His car was seen near the airport there in Cyprus.

00:06:03.000 There were other stories that he might have been bumped off.

00:06:07.000 And so finally, the lawyer says that he can't comment, but I do get a message from a third party I've never heard of saying that Gal Luft wanted to talk to me.

00:06:18.000 And I thought that, you know, this could be someone just setting me up.

00:06:22.000 So I said, well, prove it.

00:06:24.000 And so I got this short video message from Gal Luft himself saying, hi, it's me.

00:06:29.000 Rumors of my death have been grossly exaggerated.

00:06:32.000 I'd like to talk to you.

00:06:34.000 So I've been talking, talking to him by encrypted app since then.

00:06:40.000 So Miranda, I mean, he lives in Cyprus, which is kind of like the New Jersey of Europe.

00:06:45.000 I mean, there's just a lot of corruption that happens there, not exactly known for their virtuous financial banking activity.

00:06:53.000 But I'm going to ask you a little bit of an unusual question.

00:06:56.000 What does your gut tell you, Miranda?

00:06:57.000 Is this a guy who's telling the truth?

00:06:59.000 Is this a guy who means well, or is it somewhere in the middle that he probably did something he shouldn't have done, but he has legitimate dirt?

00:07:07.000 What does your instinct from all your years in reporting tell you about who we're dealing with here?

00:07:11.000 Look, my instinct is that he is telling the truth.

00:07:15.000 Obviously, you know, you always look for the self-serving element in this.

00:07:19.000 And I think what it is, is that back in that period, you know, the end of the Obama administration and beyond, CEFC was riding high.

00:07:31.000 It was this Chinese energy company with this young sort of charismatic chairman who was just throwing money around Washington, D.C.

00:07:41.000 And as Gal Luft says, Washington was just a swamp of Farah violations.

00:07:49.000 And this obviously was before Donald Trump comes in and starts cracking down on the Chinese, which of course made him very unpopular with the swamp, which had been making oodles of money.

00:07:59.000 And so swimming in this sea, I think was, you know, probably Gal Luft.

00:08:05.000 I mean, he was in business with CEFC.

00:08:07.000 He had this think tank and he was staging all these energy sort of events around the world.

00:08:16.000 And I assume that they were lucrative.

00:08:19.000 Now, Gal Luft, remember, also was a former high-ranking officer in the Israeli Defense Force.

00:08:25.000 So I wondered if, and people had said to me that they had heard that he was part of Mossad.

00:08:31.000 Now, I did ask him that, and he said, kind of said no, kind of said no.

00:08:38.000 But I think the self-serving element of it was that when OneEye tipped off his Chinese partners, that the FBI had an investigation into them, that Gal Luft was told that there were on the indictment were two Chinese and one Jewish person and someone else.

00:09:04.000 And Gal Luft leapt to the conclusion that maybe that was him.

00:09:09.000 And, you know, after obviously Donald Trump came in, the DOJ decided to weaponize Farah, this foreign agent registration.

00:09:18.000 This old Nazi era law that was only used eight times in 80 years and it was used against like the Cuban criminals in the 90s. 0.76

00:09:25.000 They dusted it off and all of a sudden here it is.

00:09:30.000 They dusted it off and they jailed people in the Trump orbit, including Paul Manafort on Farah violations.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 So before that, really, Farah wasn't a big deal at all.

00:09:43.000 And it wasn't being enforced and no one was talking about it.

00:09:46.000 So I guess that after the musical chairs game changed with Trump, they decided people started getting worried about that they were going to be in trouble for Farah.

00:09:59.000 So that's my reading of Gal Luft's motivation.

00:10:03.000 That he decided that after Patrick Ho, one of these Chinese guys, was arrested, charged with bribery and convicted in New York, that Gal Luft decided that he would go to the DOJ and tell them what he knew about the Biden influence peddling.

00:10:24.000 And whether or not he was trying to trade that information, that much bigger information in return for leniency in some other part, I don't know.

00:10:37.000 But he doesn't even know if he was really on that indictment because it was just what Hunter's FBI mole had told Hunter, who had told the Chinese, who were telling Gal Luft.

00:10:49.000 So that was the thought.

00:10:51.000 But we do know that Patrick Ho was arrested shortly after that.

00:10:54.000 We do know that Patrick Ho entered into this arrangement to pay Hunter Biden a million dollars, supposedly as a legal retainer.

00:11:03.000 But all Hunter did really was contact his FBI sources and contract another lawyer to do the work for Patrick Ho.

00:11:13.000 And we also know that after that tip off, that the chairman of CEFC, he skipped town.

00:11:22.000 He left America very quickly.

00:11:24.000 And so he was not ensnared in that net.

00:11:27.000 I mean, he was later arrested in China, which is another story.

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00:12:25.000 Who is your best guess as to who one-eye is?

00:12:27.000 Do you think it's Louis Free or somebody else?

00:12:29.000 Look, I know that that's a speculation because he's, you know, a former FBI director who had dealings with the Biden family and who has or looks like he has one eye and was in an accident where he did damage an eye.

00:12:44.000 But I would just caution people not to jump to conclusions.

00:12:47.000 And I don't want to cast any aspersions on Louis Free, who I haven't spoken to yet.

00:12:53.000 But it is perfectly possible that Hunter Biden had a different FBI mole.

00:13:02.000 I think he did have a mole because there were these tip-offs, but that it could have been someone else.

00:13:08.000 There are numerous FBI people on the laptop that he had numbers for.

00:13:13.000 And it would be a clever thing to do, I guess, to let your Chinese partners believe that it was the former FBI director who they had met doing legitimate business with who was the tip-off rather than a more lower-level person.

00:13:32.000 And so Gal Luft is saying that the tip-off merchant was one-eye because that's what the Chinese told him.

00:13:39.000 But the Chinese maybe were mistaken because that's what Hunter had told them.

00:13:44.000 And Hunter is not an arbiter of truth, let's say.

00:13:49.000 Yeah.

00:13:49.000 Are there any other candidates that would stand out?

00:13:52.000 I mean, so just like, let me ask a really simple, stupid question. 0.99

00:13:55.000 You think this person actually has one eye, right? 0.99

00:13:56.000 This is not just a kind of a colloquial.

00:13:59.000 No, no, I think Louis Free was given the nickname One Eye by the Chinese, but it may not have been him, is what I'm saying.

00:14:09.000 And Hunter, you know, for instance, Charles McGonagall, who was the former head of counterintelligence for the FBI in New York and is now being arrested and on charges of corruption to do with Albania.

00:14:23.000 There was some connection between him and Hunter Biden back in Washington, D.C. when McGonagall was working there.

00:14:30.000 I don't know if that's the my.

00:14:33.000 I just don't know who it is.

00:14:34.000 But I would just caution everybody not to jump to conclusions with all these stories.

00:14:39.000 What is in front of you is not necessarily the reality.

00:14:44.000 So, Miranda, how do you see this then playing out?

00:14:47.000 Do you think that Dr. Luft is going to be able to come and ever testify to the House Oversight Committee?

00:14:53.000 I mean, is there going to be an extraordinary, unprecedented maybe codel of House Republicans that travel internationally and take his testimony at an undisclosed location?

00:15:04.000 I mean, how does this play out?

00:15:08.000 I doubt very much whether that would happen.

00:15:10.000 I mean, he is a fugitive.

00:15:12.000 He is hiding out.

00:15:15.000 He's on the run.

00:15:17.000 He thinks you can hear him say that in that 14-minute video that we posted yesterday.

00:15:22.000 You can hear him say that he's maybe on the run for the rest of his life.

00:15:26.000 He says to me privately, he's concerned for his own safety.

00:15:31.000 And so James Cona still wants him to be a witness.

00:15:37.000 That's what I do know.

00:15:38.000 And so whether they do it via video link in some way that where Gal Luft isn't revealing to the authorities where he is, I just don't know.

00:15:49.000 I don't know what even the criminality of that is.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, and it's just hard to keep track of all these different elements.

00:15:56.000 And so, Miranda, out of all the different crimes that we now have even more evidence for than ever before the last couple of months.

00:16:04.000 Are there any that could potentially lead towards the big guy?

00:16:08.000 Or are you a little bit more bearish as saying that they're covering this up and we may never get ultimate justice towards the Biden crine family?

00:16:16.000 Oh, no.

00:16:17.000 I mean, I look, there's just an avalanche of information coming from whistleblowers.

00:16:22.000 Gal Luft is just one.

00:16:24.000 And it all points to Joe Biden.

00:16:27.000 And we know from Gary Shapley, the IRS whistleblower, that the DOJ intervened and obstructed and ensured that questions about who is the big guy were off the table.

00:16:38.000 Any questions about Joe Biden or his involvement were off the table.

00:16:44.000 And that's the game here.

00:16:46.000 It's not really about Hunter.

00:16:47.000 It's about protecting Joe Biden.

00:16:49.000 And it's all done under the guise of Joe Biden protecting his son.

00:16:53.000 And there's so much evidence that Joe Biden was involved, was assisting this influence peddling operation of his family.

00:17:04.000 He met with at least a dozen of Hunter Biden's overseas business partners.

00:17:08.000 He lied about that to the American people before the election and continues to say he knows nothing about Hunter Biden's business dealings.

00:17:16.000 So, you know, bit by bit, chink by chink, jigsaw puzzle piece by piece, we are putting together the truth. 1.00

00:17:25.000 And, you know, whether or not it is done in time for Joe Biden to face the music, I don't know.

00:17:33.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:17:35.000 As long as the American people know the truth, that's what's important.

00:17:38.000 Miranda, you've done yeoman's work on this.

00:17:40.000 You deserve a lot of credit.

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00:17:44.000 These criminals have covered up their crimes, lied about it, smeared and slandered those who dare speak.

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00:21:16.000 Great.

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00:21:18.000 Doing good.

00:21:19.000 How are you doing, Charlie?

00:21:20.000 Good.

00:21:20.000 So, you know, I've been, you have me addicted, Mr. Kane.

00:21:23.000 I got to tell you, I look at the deck 10 times a day, sometimes 20, refresh, refresh, refresh.

00:21:29.000 In fact, were you traveling?

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00:21:32.000 I don't want to give you too hard of a time, but it wasn't being updated the way that I was used to.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, it was weak.

00:21:39.000 It's weak after six years and two months, never missing a day.

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00:22:24.000 Geez, I'm sorry to hear you.

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00:22:26.000 Yeah, so I've been running the site from a hospital the last couple of days.

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00:22:39.000 I visit it no joke dozens of times a day sometimes and I could tell when Kane is taking a nap because the deck is not always getting reorganized.

00:22:46.000 So Kane, I kind of have a little bit of a window into your psyche because I could see what stories you promote.

00:22:51.000 But you've really been on top of this Jack Smith stuff.

00:22:54.000 And I'm glad because I consider this to be one of the kind of stories that isn't a big deal until it becomes the entire deal, almost similar to COVID, right?

00:23:03.000 Where COVID was kind of on the edges and, you know, okay, and then all of a sudden it became the entire election was defined by it.

00:23:09.000 I think Jack Smith is 2024 COVID, where it's just going to kind of come straight front and center.

00:23:15.000 Kane, your thoughts?

00:23:17.000 Yeah, that's a really good way of looking at it.

00:23:20.000 I think that's the case.

00:23:22.000 And that's why I have been covering it, why you and I have been talking about it repeatedly on these shows.

00:23:27.000 You know, you and I have been doing this game theory on it, right?

00:23:32.000 For at least four, five, six months.

00:23:35.000 And we're trying to figure out, you know, we saw the Manhattan deal coming.

00:23:39.000 That's obvious.

00:23:40.000 And we know that Fannie Willis is coming in the next month with a big conspiracy, probably a RICO and diamond.

00:23:47.000 Georgia has some interesting state RICO laws that she can use. 0.94

00:23:51.000 But the real wildcard has been Jack Smith, right?

00:23:53.000 And how many different indictments are possible?

00:23:56.000 And you and I surmise that, you know, we were perhaps looking at two.

00:24:00.000 We were going to look at Mar-a-Lago and January 6th.

00:24:02.000 Well, as I look at this stuff and right and watch this stuff every day, what I'm feeling like, there's actually three, okay.

00:24:11.000 There's a third lane right now.

00:24:12.000 No, you're right.

00:24:13.000 There's this alternate electors route that is popping up.

00:24:16.000 Yeah, and yeah, let's lay them out for people.

00:24:19.000 So first of all, we've been running stories about the potential for 30 to 45 more indictments by Jack Smith in the documents case.

00:24:27.000 So let's set that one aside.

00:24:29.000 Let people know that the rumors are out there that if Judge Cannon doesn't give rulings that Jack Smith likes, that they could bring additional Mar-a-Lago indictments in other states.

00:24:39.000 So I'm not even counting that.

00:24:40.000 So let's call that 1A on the Mar-a-Lago.

00:24:44.000 Then on January 6th, as Julie Kelly has talked about, we've got the sort of sedition and conspiracy angle that Jack Smith is going to push, saying that Trump essentially brought all of these people to D.C.

00:24:59.000 Then there's the fake electors, which has really been heating up.

00:25:02.000 That's what you've been talking about.

00:25:06.000 Jack Smith has been all over Georgia and Arizona interviewing all kinds of state officials.

00:25:13.000 And big stories have been breaking the last 24 hours there.

00:25:16.000 So we don't really know that angle.

00:25:17.000 And then a third slight angle.

00:25:19.000 Have you seen them mention the quote-unquote illegal fundraising?

00:25:24.000 No, that's kind of been around.

00:25:27.000 And look, I used to think that would be kind of kicked away.

00:25:31.000 But Jack Smith, I think this is the most aggressive prosecutor I have ever seen towards anything political.

00:25:38.000 I mean, if there is a sliver of a chance, I don't think this guy cares if he loses in court.

00:25:43.000 He just, his mandate is to be a ferocious pit bull towards Donald Trump.

00:25:52.000 You're right.

00:25:53.000 I can't remember the case.

00:25:55.000 It escapes me at the moment, but he had a successful prosecution that was thrown out in a unanimous Supreme Court decision years later.

00:26:03.000 Andrew can possibly look that up while we're talking.

00:26:06.000 But so, yeah, so that goes to your point of Jack Smith not really even caring if he wins.

00:26:10.000 He is an absolute, the guy is, look, they're quiet, right?

00:26:15.000 There haven't been, they're only leaking what they want to leak.

00:26:18.000 I'll say it that way.

00:26:19.000 So there haven't been real leaks of strategy.

00:26:21.000 It's all sort of been, hey, let's try to figure out what they're doing based on who they're interviewing and who they're bringing forward to testify before these grand juries.

00:26:31.000 And it look, you know, I don't, we aren't saying that there are definitely going to be three separate January 6th indictments, right?

00:26:38.000 But there's a, it certainly looks like there could be two of them.

00:26:42.000 We don't, you know, and again, it's all reading tea leaves.

00:26:45.000 But if Julie Kelly is correct and they're going to go for that obstruction angle, you know, and having Mike Pence, you know, bringing Mike Pence before the grand jury, that sort of lends credence to that.

00:26:56.000 And then the latest story I did today, it seems like Jack Smith is really interested in that Oval Office West Wing meeting where Sidney Powell, General Flynn, and Patrick Byrne were all present.

00:27:08.000 So, yeah, so there's a new one, right?

00:27:10.000 They're going after Patrick Byrne on this.

00:27:12.000 But I think what they're trying to do is, Kane, I think they're trying to build a case for seditious conspiracy or insurrection to get it.

00:27:23.000 This is their backup plan.

00:27:24.000 Remember, the way these people think, this is the Peter Struckstroke smirk text, the same philosophy.

00:27:30.000 Seven to eight years later, their insurance policy, Kane, their backup plan, their insurance policy is if MAGA is ascendant and the country's in shambles and Trump wins, that their Trump card, their insurance policy, is that they have him indicted and convicted of seditious conspiracy or insurrection.

00:27:53.000 Yeah, it goes along with what you said of Jack Smith becoming sort of the COVID of 2024.

00:28:01.000 You and I have felt from the beginning that they're going to try, right?

00:28:04.000 This is a public relations battle, especially talking about the race for president.

00:28:09.000 So if they can't put Trump in jail, they can certainly attach multiple indictments to him to help, you know, to help bring him down.

00:28:16.000 And so this idea that you hit him with overkill, right?

00:28:19.000 That he's facing the Alvin Bragg case, that he's going to be facing the Fenny Willis case, that he will be facing the Mar-a-Lago documents case.

00:28:28.000 And then you throw that seditious conspiracy for January 6th on top of that.

00:28:33.000 That becomes number four.

00:28:34.000 And then if they go after fake electors in a separate case, that's number five.

00:28:39.000 And then if they go after quote-unquote false fundraising based on overturning the election, that might be a subcomponent of either the seditious conspiracy case or the fake electors case.

00:28:52.000 But the point being, it's obvious what the strategy is.

00:28:56.000 And you and I have wondered if they're somehow secret, you know, if these prosecutors are communicating with each other.

00:29:01.000 But the strategy seems to be from Jack Smith.

00:29:03.000 Let's slap this guy with as many indictments as we possibly can and hope that it helps.

00:29:09.000 And I'll add one last thing.

00:29:10.000 You know, they really still are worried.

00:29:12.000 There was a big poll that came out yesterday that I posted where they didn't label the states.

00:29:18.000 I didn't have time to look into it completely, but Trump is leading Biden by seven points in key swing states.

00:29:24.000 And part of that is because in this polling, Dr. Cornell West was pulling 2% to 3% of Democrat votes.

00:29:33.000 So my overall larger point is that, yeah, Jack Smith seems to me like he's going to try to kill him with indictments, whether he gets guilty verdicts or not.

00:29:45.000 And that is their strategy to bring down Trump's popularity with independence, would be my read.

00:29:51.000 There's so many wrinkles here.

00:29:53.000 And so the question is, what would actually prevent Donald Trump from becoming president?

00:29:58.000 But there's another part of this, Kane, and it's a logistical one.

00:30:02.000 They want to just keep Trump in court all of 2024.

00:30:05.000 He's got to go to New York.

00:30:07.000 He's got to go to Georgia.

00:30:08.000 Now, in Georgia, he could also do a campaign stop on the way to the courthouse.

00:30:12.000 I mean, Kane, this is, I know we joke around Banana Republic Soviet style.

00:30:15.000 Are we really going to be in a set of circumstances in September of next year where Trump goes and does a campaign event?

00:30:22.000 And he's like, oh, sorry, BRB, I have to go sit in a courtroom for a hearing.

00:30:27.000 I mean, that's what we're trending towards.

00:30:29.000 And then when he's done, he can go do another rally.

00:30:32.000 Yeah.

00:30:32.000 Well, good for you for having a sense of humor.

00:30:34.000 It's the only way to get through this stuff.

00:30:36.000 And that would be hilarious.

00:30:37.000 That would be incredibly classic if Trump said, you know, had to interrupt one in order to go do the other.

00:30:43.000 No, then, putting a campaign rally on.

00:30:46.000 No, he could also probably make a pretty compelling argument.

00:30:49.000 Your Honor, can we please delay this trial till after November 24?

00:30:54.000 Why would that be, Defendant Trump?

00:30:57.000 I'm running for the presidency of the United States.

00:31:00.000 A little bit busy right now, just a little bit busy.

00:31:02.000 Yeah.

00:31:04.000 So here's an interesting question.

00:31:05.000 And this is the language, Kane.

00:31:07.000 And I want to explore this with you because you're so smart.

00:31:10.000 And we're on the same page here.

00:31:12.000 The 14th Amendment bars anyone who rebelled against the United States from holding office.

00:31:18.000 Rebellion, Kane.

00:31:20.000 They don't use the word insurrection.

00:31:22.000 They use the word rebellion.

00:31:24.000 So 30 seconds, Kane, this might go up to the Supreme Court to determine, does that include seditious conspiracy?

00:31:32.000 Yeah, that's an interesting thought.

00:31:34.000 I've heard them talk about the 14th Amendment.

00:31:36.000 I don't know when the last time, if that's ever even been prosecuted.

00:31:40.000 They opposed Civil War Act, basically.

00:31:42.000 Yeah.

00:31:43.000 It's a post-Civil War Act.

00:31:44.000 Yeah, good for you for knowing your history.

00:31:46.000 It's, you know, 14.

00:31:48.000 That would be insane.

00:31:50.000 But yeah, there's a chance that this whole thing does end up at the Supreme Court on multiple levels, including, you know, perhaps the Presidential Records Act, which seems to be Trump's defense in the Mar-a-Lago case.

00:32:02.000 I know you only have a few seconds, so I'll sort of slide it back to you, but this has been a, yeah, it's been a heck of a six months, and these next 12 months are going to be amazing for media people like you and me.

00:32:12.000 Oh, no, it's not going to be boring.

00:32:14.000 Ratings are fine.

00:32:15.000 The country's going to haze, but ratings are good.

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00:33:27.000 This is the whole ballgame, Kane.

00:33:29.000 No person shall hold any office, civil or military, under the United States or under any state who, having taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

00:33:49.000 So Kane, let's pretend we're Jack Smith for a second.

00:33:52.000 You have the oath keepers that have already been indicted on, I mean, sorry, convicted under seditious conspiracy.

00:33:58.000 They're going to try to make a seditious conspiracy claim against Trump.

00:34:02.000 They might not be able to get to insurrection, but that word rebellion is open for interpretation.

00:34:08.000 Kane, I think the whole ballgame is the 14th Amendment as their backup plan to prevent him from becoming president.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, well, it's certainly an interesting angle.

00:34:17.000 And yeah, it sounds like obvious.

00:34:19.000 It came after the Civil War.

00:34:21.000 So it was an attempt to deal with insurrectionist generals and others involved with the South.

00:34:28.000 You know, the idea that we would bring that up 173 years later, 1, you know, 165 years later, it's insane.

00:34:38.000 But it goes to everything that you and I have been discussing, right?

00:34:42.000 They realized once he announced, you know, giving a little bit of backstory on this, once Trump announced that he was going to run again in 2024, that's when I think almost all of these plans began to be cooked up.

00:34:53.000 They knew that, yeah, that really the only way that they were going to be able to beat him, because they saw that their own candidate, Biden, was extremely weak and still remains weak.

00:35:03.000 And even, you know, there's so many parallel angles.

00:35:05.000 Like perhaps, you know, Democrats might be angling to get Biden out and Camela out and get Gavin Newsom in.

00:35:12.000 So there's all kinds of angles.

00:35:13.000 But once Trump announced that he was going to run, then it simply became, let's look at the Constitution.

00:35:19.000 Let's look at state laws.

00:35:21.000 Let's look at any opportunity we can to sort of gum up the process and bring that and destroy this guy.

00:35:28.000 So you talked in the previous segment about Trump on his way to potentially, you know, giving testimony or filing a deposition in one of his cases in Georgia and stopping off to do a rally and how surreal this is going to become.

00:35:41.000 And you said something that I think really hit the mark, which is, I think that's their strategy.

00:35:46.000 That if they can just, if they need, if the evening news from, let's say, May of next year all the way through October, if every night it's just going to be coverage of Trump in a separate courtroom, you know, they'll be making a big deal out of the stuff you just said.

00:36:03.000 Like Trump, you know, he was in Manhattan yesterday in the Alvin Bragg case and he's due in Georgia tomorrow for the Fannie Willis case.

00:36:10.000 So I think that's their plan is to, you know, and, you know, I realize I spit out a lot of ideas here, and I don't want to talk too fast for people, but ultimately, as you and I have talked about, it's about the independence, right?

00:36:21.000 The MAGA voters are coming out.

00:36:23.000 They don't care if Trump is in jail.

00:36:24.000 We're coming out to vote and we're going to crawl across grass to do it.

00:36:28.000 The Democrats, obviously, are going to come out to try to stop him.

00:36:31.000 So all of this is the battle for that 20% of independence in the center.

00:36:36.000 And so that's why this media strategy, they hope, will work because they're going to try to, you know, because they are not going to knock off the MAGA base.

00:36:45.000 It doesn't matter what happens.

00:36:46.000 We're both well aware that Trump will not be defeated by his own base.

00:36:50.000 So their only chance is with independence.

00:36:53.000 So the 14th Amendment, let's get back to your point.

00:36:56.000 So the 14th Amendment, I would not put it past them, but I think they will lose.

00:37:02.000 If they try to bring Trump on 14th Amendment charges or prevent him from running on 14th Amendment charges, I think the Supreme Court would not qualify this as an act of insurrection against the government after having given an oath.

00:37:18.000 So that's my read of it.

00:37:19.000 What are your thoughts?

00:37:20.000 Well, no, it depends how they would interpret it, but this is very clear.

00:37:26.000 And the polls show this.

00:37:28.000 There is a big worry that Trump can win this thing again.

00:37:31.000 Remember, all this is for like 44,000 votes that were the difference in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin.

00:37:39.000 And so this is all, this is on the margins of the margins and the margins.

00:37:44.000 And Kane, we're out of time, but I currently don't see the investments that are necessary outside of what Turning Point Action is doing in Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia.

00:37:53.000 It's too bad.

00:37:54.000 And we have to just keep on beating that drum, Kane, because the $1.5 billion that's about to be spent on this primary will be wasted.

00:38:01.000 Who needs Democrats when we're about to fight our own civil war? 1.00

00:38:06.000 Great point.

00:38:06.000 Kane, thanks so much.

00:38:08.000 20 seconds.

00:38:09.000 Sum it up.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, well, I was going to say what you're doing with Scott Pressler in Wisconsin is fantastic.

00:38:14.000 What you said in a previous interview with me that we need 10,000 Scott Presslers, not a billion spent between Trump and DeSantis.

00:38:21.000 I agree with all of it.

00:38:22.000 And I enjoy speaking with you, Charlie.

00:38:25.000 We'll talk next time.

00:38:25.000 You're a great American, Kane.

00:38:27.000 Keep it up.

00:38:27.000 Love the stack, the deck.

00:38:28.000 It's great.

00:38:29.000 Thank you so much.

00:38:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:32.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 07, 2023

"Who is One Eye?" and Other Hunter Biden Questions with Miranda Devine and Kane

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