The Charlie Kirk Show - Who is the 2024 VP Pick? with Rich Baris and MTG

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00:01:09.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:50.000 Joining us now is one of the fighters in the House of Representatives, someone that's fighting very hard, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green.

00:01:57.000 Congresswoman, thank you for joining us.

00:02:00.000 We have, I want to start about with the news of you introducing articles of impeachment against U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves.

00:02:07.000 Tell us about it.

00:02:08.000 Well, impeachment is very serious, Charlie, but I come from the business world where we can fire people.

00:02:15.000 You know, in any business, business owners, managers, you fire people when they are corrupt, when they abuse your money, when they destroy your business, when they're doing things wrong in your company.

00:02:26.000 Impeachment is that tool that we can use that was given to us by the founders of this country where we can actually fire people.

00:02:34.000 And it's very serious.

00:02:36.000 The reason why I introduced articles of impeachment yesterday on Matthew Graves is because he is a very special U.S. attorney here in Washington, D.C. for the Department of Justice.

00:02:47.000 He has the unique ability to prosecute local crimes in Washington, D.C., as well as federal cases.

00:02:55.000 Now, Matthew Graves, as this powerful attorney, refuses to prosecute 67% of the crimes here in Washington, D.C. that plague the citizens and people that work in the city.

00:03:10.000 However, he uses his powerful position at the Department of Justice to prosecute January 6th defendants solely.

00:03:18.000 He goes after them like no prosecutor ever before in the Department of Justice.

00:03:23.000 These are people that walked in the Capitol like Matthew Perna for only 20 minutes that never even assaulted a police officer, caused no damage to the Capitol, simply walked in.

00:03:35.000 Well, I want you to know Matthew Perna committed suicide.

00:03:38.000 He hung himself in his garage after Matthew Graves, the attorney at the Department of Justice, was coming after him so hard for such an act.

00:03:48.000 And this is the type of weaponization of government that must be stopped.

00:03:53.000 And the only way to stop it is through impeachment or through our appropriation bills.

00:03:58.000 And I believe that I'm doing the right thing, and I know I have the support of the American people.

00:04:04.000 We are living in extraordinary times, and extraordinary measures must be used to stop this weaponized government.

00:04:11.000 When is the last time, if ever, a U.S. attorney has been successfully impeached?

00:04:16.000 You know, I'm not aware of the history of impeachment of U.S. attorneys, but I am willing to use the tool.

00:04:24.000 I don't believe that we have to rely on history.

00:04:26.000 I think we have to make history, Charlie, and that is what I'm trying to do.

00:04:30.000 Now, also, I'm really thankful for all the people that have been calling into my office nonstop with support for these articles of impeachment.

00:04:40.000 The American people are fed up with the federal government that has them in over $31 trillion in debt, does not do anything for their America first interest, but yet has weaponized the government to be turned against them.

00:04:54.000 And it's time to make a change.

00:04:55.000 And I believe that is why impeachment is necessary and must be pursued.

00:05:01.000 So, Congressman, I want you to respond to an objection we received here on an email, and they were very polite.

00:05:08.000 They said, Dear Congressman Green, big fan, thank you for your leadership, but I'm concerned this is not the best use of our time when we have the debt ceiling looming and the border crisis.

00:05:17.000 Make the case.

00:05:18.000 Why are these impeachment fights necessary, especially knowing that the Senate is likely not going to remove?

00:05:25.000 Well, these impeachment articles of impeachment are extremely important because unless you want things to continue, unless you want the Department of Justice, the FBI, and by the way, I want to add on, I introduced articles of impeachment also against Christopher Wray, who's the FBI director, and against the Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland.

00:05:46.000 So, so far, I've introduced three articles of impeachment, and I plan to introduce two more, one this afternoon and tomorrow.

00:05:53.000 I am not finished.

00:05:54.000 This is impeachment week.

00:05:56.000 And the reason why this is important and necessary is unless Americans consider corruption and weaponized government as a status quo, then we have to step in and do something about it.

00:06:08.000 The debt ceiling talks are extremely important, but it's not Republicans that created this problem.

00:06:13.000 It's Joe Biden and the Democrats.

00:06:16.000 They spent over $7 trillion in just two years.

00:06:20.000 My first term in Congress, I am a huge witness to every single bill that they passed.

00:06:25.000 And that type of spending should be reined in.

00:06:28.000 Well, we've already accomplished that with the bill that we passed that cuts $4.8 trillion in spending in allowing for the debt ceiling to be raised.

00:06:37.000 We've done our part.

00:06:38.000 So we have time for impeachment.

00:06:40.000 The second piece is we passed our border security package.

00:06:44.000 This completely secures America's border and keeps Americans safe. 0.71

00:06:48.000 Now we're handing that over to the Senate and to the White House, and they should get the job done.

00:06:53.000 They should do their part to secure America's borders and to keep Americans safe.

00:06:58.000 And that's why we can take on impeachment, which is necessary to rein in this weaponized government, to put checks and balances in place and to hold our government accountable for what they have done to innocent Americans.

00:07:13.000 Is there any hope of pairing debt ceiling negotiations to the Intel community reform, like severely limiting the funding of the FBI?

00:07:22.000 Well, I want you to know we can do that in our budget and appropriation bills.

00:07:26.000 As a matter of fact, I've made it known to leadership and I've made it known publicly.

00:07:30.000 I will be using the power of my voting card and whipping votes in support of stopping the radicalization and the funding of this weaponized government.

00:07:41.000 We can defund departments.

00:07:43.000 We can defund people.

00:07:44.000 We can fire people with the Holman rule.

00:07:46.000 And that is a very necessary tool that we should be using in our appropriation bills and that I'm already in talks with leadership and I'm already in talks with many Republicans on the way to do that.

00:07:56.000 So that is a path already being pursued.

00:08:00.000 And I think the American people would be very happy with Republicans if we use the power of our budget and appropriations to do just that.

00:08:08.000 We don't have to cut out the entire FBI.

00:08:11.000 We don't have to cut out the entire Department of Justice.

00:08:14.000 We just need to use a precision tool in our funding to get rid of the bad actors.

00:08:19.000 Is there an appetite for leadership on that?

00:08:21.000 Is there an appetite for that?

00:08:22.000 Because that seems to be sometimes a bridge that leadership does not always want to cross.

00:08:28.000 Well, I think what I would like to say for everyone on that is I completely understand the mistrust, especially of elected politicians.

00:08:38.000 But I would also say don't underestimate the current leadership.

00:08:42.000 I supported Kevin McCarthy for a reason, and I support some of our other leadership for reasons.

00:08:48.000 Now, remember, we have 222 Republicans, and it takes 218 to pass any bills.

00:08:55.000 So these are things that we are working out in our conference.

00:08:58.000 But I would like to say that I think there is definitely an appetite in our conference to rein in the intelligence community and also to make sure this doesn't happen anymore.

00:09:08.000 And that's the power of our committees and the investigations that we're doing.

00:09:13.000 We have a legislative purpose with all of these committees, and Republicans intend to use them.

00:09:18.000 I want to play a piece of tape here.

00:09:20.000 Repeatedly, Adam Schiff said there are multiple instances of Trump-Russia collusion.

00:09:25.000 Let's play Cut 43.

00:09:28.000 But you admit it's a circumstance.

00:09:29.000 All you have right now is a circumstantial case.

00:09:32.000 Actually, no, Chuck.

00:09:34.000 I can tell you that the case is more than that.

00:09:37.000 And I can't go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now.

00:09:41.000 So again, I think you have seen direct evidence of collusion.

00:09:47.000 I don't want to go into specifics, but I will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial and is very much worthy of investigation.

00:09:56.000 So that is what we ought to do.

00:09:59.000 Is it time to expel him from Congress?

00:10:01.000 Is that realistic?

00:10:03.000 Well, I would say it's certainly something we should be considering when we're talking about expelling members of Congress. 0.57

00:10:10.000 Adam Schiff is one of the biggest liars that has ever served in the United States Congress.

00:10:15.000 He abused his power on every single committee and weaponized the power of Congress against his political enemies, mainly President Donald J. Trump. 0.68

00:10:24.000 Adam Schiff should definitely be held accountable for the lies that he told to the American people, not only from his position as Congress, but on every single mainstream media platform that would put a microphone in front of his face.

00:10:38.000 The Durham Report has shown the truth to the American people. 0.86

00:10:41.000 And I believe, Charlie, that we should hold everyone accountable for that.

00:10:47.000 I don't know about you, but it takes a lot to shock me these days.

00:10:50.000 To see our judicial system resemble a third world banana republic, to see trusted American companies embrace insane and destructive woke ideologies is sometimes depressing.

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00:12:01.000 So, Congresswoman, I'm a little concerned that this is going to be a long Republican presidential primary.

00:12:07.000 I'm guessing that you're 100% behind Donald Trump.

00:12:10.000 I'm guessing that.

00:12:13.000 Are you worried that this could be an overly contentious primary to just get us to the eventual same conclusion?

00:12:18.000 What are your thoughts?

00:12:20.000 Well, first off, I'll tell you I'm 100% behind President Donald J. Trump.

00:12:25.000 I've been behind him since day one, and I'm honored to support him.

00:12:31.000 I'm grateful for the four years he gave us as president, and America desperately needs four more years of President Trump.

00:12:39.000 I don't think this needs to be a contentious, long primary.

00:12:42.000 As a matter of fact, it's an unnecessary one.

00:12:44.000 Republican voters are making it overwhelmingly known pretty much every single poll that they're asked that their choice for president is President Trump.

00:12:55.000 And so, there's no need for fights.

00:12:57.000 I see him on social media all the time.

00:12:59.000 I don't like seeing it.

00:13:00.000 I think everyone needs to line up behind President Trump.

00:13:04.000 He's the one that created America First Policies.

00:13:07.000 He's the one that created Make America Great Again, which is a wonderful policy plan.

00:13:12.000 And I think that's just the right thing to do.

00:13:15.000 So, I'm excited to just let everyone know, go ahead and support President Trump.

00:13:19.000 He's going to be our nominee.

00:13:21.000 Cut 72, I want to play a piece of tape of you speaking out on the Trans Day of Vengeance. 0.94

00:13:26.000 Front page of yahoo.com yesterday said that violence against trans people increasing.

00:13:32.000 A bunch of nonsense, not mentioning the Christian hate crime in Nashville, in Tennessee.

00:13:39.000 I think it was Nashville, yeah. 0.70

00:13:41.000 And we have our pastor summit there actually next week, fittingly.

00:13:45.000 We're going to address that.

00:13:46.000 Play Cut 72, please.

00:13:48.000 Just recently, there was a trans day of vengeance, which is definitely not right-wing extremism or violence.

00:13:57.000 This looks terrifying, and it's definitely from the left because on the right, I can assure you we believe in two genders. 1.00

00:14:04.000 It's male and female.

00:14:05.000 This is what left-wing extremism and violence stems from, is the movement that wants to use trans terrorism against Americans, violating the whole idea of biological science.

00:14:21.000 Elaborate on that, Congresswoman Green.

00:14:24.000 Yeah, this is where we're seeing the radical left. 0.95

00:14:26.000 They are showing up and supporting this trans ideology, this sick and disgusting lie that they are pressing on the most innocent among us, and that's children. 1.00

00:14:38.000 They're trying to convince children that they can change their gender when that is the biggest lie that's ever been told to children. 0.98

00:14:44.000 We are created in God's image.

00:14:47.000 He created us in his image, male and female.

00:14:51.000 Thankfully, to God, he made it very clear there are only two genders. 1.00

00:14:55.000 There are only two sexes. 0.99

00:14:57.000 But children are being brainwashed, and they're being basically consumed into the trans ideology, which is not only an ideology trying to tell children that they can undergo horrific genital mutilation surgeries, cutting off their breasts, castrating them, destroying their body for the rest of their lives. 0.91

00:15:18.000 But even more so, they have funded groups all over the country that are pressing this ideology, and they are extremely dangerous. 0.91

00:15:28.000 Trans day of that trans day of vengeance is trans terrorism. 1.00

00:15:33.000 And thankfully, to people like you, Charlie, and many others who spoke out against it, that potential dangerous protest or whatever they were planning to do, a trans day of vengeance here in Washington, D.C., was stopped. 0.94

00:15:48.000 But let's talk about trans terrorism. 0.61

00:15:50.000 It's very real.

00:15:51.000 Trans-terrorism exists like this. 0.91

00:15:54.000 It's those on the left that chased Riley Gaines and basically kidnapped her and held her hostage in a room in San Francisco when she was there to speak as a biological woman, as a female athlete, talking about women's rights and women's sports and her experience being forced to compete against a six-foot-four Will Thomas that calls himself Leah.

00:16:18.000 Transterrorism exists in this horrific and terrifying form where biological men force themselves into women's bathrooms, girls' dorm rooms, little girls' bathrooms, women's sports, and all types of women's places of privacy. 0.82

00:16:34.000 Transterrorism exists where biological men basically try to replace women. 0.93

00:16:39.000 But the real trans terrorism comes from the president of the United States, Joe Biden, that supports this trans ideology, this sick and disgusting lie that he supports that children, children can change their gender. 0.97

00:16:54.000 You know what? 0.98

00:16:55.000 That is the worst, most terrifying thing we've ever seen from any elected government official.

00:17:01.000 But it's not just Joe Biden, it's the entire Democrat Party.

00:17:04.000 And I want to tell you, I want to speak out harshly against this.

00:17:08.000 Transterrorism needs to be stopped in its tracks in every single way that we see it.

00:17:14.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene, keep up the fabulous work. 1.00

00:17:16.000 Thank you so much.

00:17:17.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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00:18:32.000 Joining us now is Rich Barris.

00:18:35.000 Tons of topics to cover across the board.

00:18:38.000 Rich, I want you to be honest.

00:18:39.000 Handicap the odds.

00:18:42.000 If you were a Vegas odds maker, you run big data poll, you do a great job.

00:18:47.000 Democrat likely to win the White House, Republican likely win the White House.

00:18:51.000 What does Caesars Palace have to say?

00:18:54.000 You know, Charlie, I'm going to put it right now at 55, 45 Republican.

00:19:04.000 And I'm the reason why, let me explain it.

00:19:07.000 Is that right now?

00:19:08.000 I do think that it's very likely that Trump will be the nominee, although you can never rule out anything totally in politics.

00:19:17.000 That being said, it depends on the fight in the primary.

00:19:21.000 It does.

00:19:21.000 Joe Biden, I'm looking at some of these races last night.

00:19:24.000 Jacksonville was a disaster for Republicans.

00:19:27.000 Democrats outvoted Republicans in the Central Bucks locals election.

00:19:34.000 They crushed the Republican in one of the special elections in Pennsylvania.

00:19:38.000 And they didn't get both like they wanted, but they got one and they got it easy.

00:19:42.000 And then, you know, when you're just looking at Kentucky, Republicans flex their muscles because of Trump's turnout.

00:19:49.000 You know, but that's not certain going forward.

00:19:54.000 And I remain convinced that Democrats will harvest close to 90 million ballots for Joe Biden at this point.

00:20:01.000 And Republicans better be ready for it.

00:20:03.000 Yeah.

00:20:04.000 And so that's the question: is that from a sentiment standpoint, I think the table is set for Republicans to do very well.

00:20:10.000 But have you seen the investments, Rich, on an infrastructure standpoint, on a ballot chasing standpoint?

00:20:17.000 I'm going to play a piece of tape here.

00:20:18.000 I want you to react to it.

00:20:19.000 This is the head of the RNC, Rana Romney, in her own words, who's a very nice person, very kind.

00:20:26.000 And people know my other thoughts on that.

00:20:28.000 Let's just say this: let's go to Cut 49.

00:20:31.000 Republicans wait until election year and then they invest.

00:20:35.000 And you have to invest now in the process.

00:20:37.000 You cannot wait.

00:20:39.000 Text Wind 80810.

00:20:42.000 You cannot wait.

00:20:43.000 We need to be getting people on the permanent absentee voter file in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

00:20:48.000 It takes money.

00:20:48.000 You can't wait until the candidates are picked.

00:20:51.000 You have to invest in the process.

00:20:52.000 We need to change the culture in our party.

00:20:55.000 Are you acknowledging that it's not happening now?

00:20:58.000 No, I'm not acknowledging that.

00:20:59.000 We are investing in all these states, minority outreach.

00:21:02.000 Investing behind the eight ball.

00:21:04.000 That's my point.

00:21:05.000 No, we are not behind the eight ball.

00:21:07.000 I'm saying we need more money.

00:21:08.000 We need resources.

00:21:09.000 Of course, we do.

00:21:10.000 And I will say the Democrats are outraising us 100% because they invest in process.

00:21:14.000 And I talk to voters and donors all the time.

00:21:17.000 They say, I want to say, see who the candidate is.

00:21:19.000 I'm going to wait to see who the nominee is.

00:21:21.000 You have to invest in both, the process and the nominee.

00:21:25.000 Rich, are we seeing that investment happening in the key states?

00:21:29.000 And I know Democrats are just pouring money into infrastructure.

00:21:33.000 Charlie, I hear that clip and my head wants to explode.

00:21:38.000 The fact of the matter is, what Democrats, a great article in Real Clear Politics yesterday about why Republicans underperformed, has nothing to do with media narratives.

00:21:46.000 It runs counter to all of that.

00:21:48.000 You know, this about Trump, that about Trump.

00:21:50.000 The fact of the matter is, they beat Republicans in infrastructure and they did a great job harvesting ballots where they needed to harvest.

00:21:58.000 And they bucked history by doing that.

00:22:01.000 None of it was done through the DNC.

00:22:03.000 It was done through private groups.

00:22:05.000 That being said, those private groups have vendors.

00:22:08.000 And this is what I do for a living.

00:22:10.000 The databases with left-wing vendors and that are serving these left-wing organizations are much better than Rona McDaniels' databases.

00:22:18.000 They're better than Campaign Sidekick.

00:22:20.000 They're better than her permanent billion-dollar permanent data operation.

00:22:25.000 I have Republican candidates constantly coming to me.

00:22:27.000 I scrub their lists.

00:22:29.000 They haven't raised, as far as I know, and we increased early vote turnout in Central Bucks historically for Republicans last night.

00:22:38.000 And it was a great achievement.

00:22:39.000 It's not where it needs to be, but it was a good achievement.

00:22:42.000 Private, other local races actually won some counties previously, which I'm talking about overall vote.

00:22:48.000 They actually won it, did a great job.

00:22:50.000 None of that was done with the RNC.

00:22:53.000 None of it.

00:22:54.000 That was done by private entities and candidates coming to me and saying, Rich, I need a good list and I need a plan to register these people to the absentee ballot, permanent absentee ballot list.

00:23:07.000 I haven't seen the RNC do it in a single state.

00:23:10.000 Pennsylvania, just last week, I got a call from state officials in Michigan, and they are wondering about data sourcing and having better lists because they haven't talked to the RNC.

00:23:22.000 The Michigan State Party is in complete shambles.

00:23:25.000 They need a private entity to help them do this.

00:23:28.000 If you give your money to the RNC, ladies and gentlemen, you're wasting it.

00:23:33.000 You're going to waste it.

00:23:34.000 I'm sorry.

00:23:34.000 As of right now, there is nothing at all to suggest that they know what to do with that money, even if they had good enough databases to do something with it.

00:23:45.000 And the fact is they don't.

00:23:46.000 They have horrible latency issues and it's not where it needs to be.

00:23:49.000 If she really wants to help Charlie, she should be stepping up and calling for basically an end to this primary.

00:23:56.000 And if you, this is what it's going to take.

00:23:58.000 You don't have the time or money to fight like this amongst each other.

00:24:02.000 You don't have it.

00:24:03.000 They're going to beat you in 24 if you don't get your act together.

00:24:06.000 Rich, if you were, let's just say, Ron DeSantis' chief strategist and knowing what you know, how what is the path there?

00:24:15.000 And I'm struggling to see it.

00:24:17.000 Now, in January, I totally saw it.

00:24:19.000 I mean, it was a clear path.

00:24:20.000 It was neck and neck.

00:24:22.000 But things change and they change quickly.

00:24:25.000 If you were to just say, hey, okay, I am Ron DeSantis' chief strategist.

00:24:30.000 What does he have to do?

00:24:31.000 What has to change for him to be competitive?

00:24:34.000 I know what their strategy is, which is to wait for these other indictments to be rolled out and hope against hope that they hurt the former president.

00:24:43.000 And they're also putting together a plan in California because of the way that they allocate delegates by congressional district in the hopes that even if Trump carries the state of California, they can kind of close the delegate gap that they know they're going to need to close by the time Super Tuesday rolls around.

00:24:59.000 I don't think there's, if I was his strategist, I would have never have convinced him to get into this race.

00:25:04.000 Last night with Kentucky, they really believed that Kelly Kraft was closing the gap with Cameron and that a last-minute endorsement from Ron DeSantis maybe wouldn't put her over Charlie, but she was dominating the airways for the last 30 days more.

00:25:22.000 And they really did believe they had polling to suggest that that race was close and closing.

00:25:28.000 And with the last-minute endorsement, maybe we can get a narrative that we can help shift the way the polling is going now.

00:25:35.000 This is what they're thinking.

00:25:36.000 Well, after last night, the mega donors of which Kelly Kraft is one, unbelievable that DeSantis would put his name to that, but they're the same advisors, the same people who are running her campaign, the same ones who surround Ron DeSantis.

00:25:51.000 You better take a good look at that map in Kentucky because Trump is up big in the Northeast.

00:25:58.000 New Jersey, he's at 70%.

00:26:00.000 Ron DeSantis is in the single digits in New York.

00:26:03.000 These are very delegate-rich states.

00:26:05.000 Florida, right now, Ron DeSantis is not only down, Trump is above 50 and approaching 60 in our polling.

00:26:12.000 That's winner-take-all.

00:26:13.000 So even if the California plan works, Charlie, you're going to get steamrolled.

00:26:19.000 What do you mean the California?

00:26:20.000 So just build that out a little bit more.

00:26:22.000 It's just because of the delegate appropriation.

00:26:24.000 He thinks he can win the whole state of California.

00:26:26.000 I'm just trying to understand.

00:26:27.000 He wants to bring this to the convention floor probably.

00:26:31.000 He thinks that he can.

00:26:32.000 Yeah, they think they can change the narrative if they lose Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, and then they roll up into Super Tuesday.

00:26:40.000 California has a ton of delegates.

00:26:42.000 And the truth is that you could lose most of California and most Republican primary voters.

00:26:48.000 But if you win the Bay Area and you win Los Angeles, they're allocated by congressional district and how big these districts are.

00:26:56.000 So it's a crazy system.

00:26:58.000 But they tried it last time with Trump, but they weren't as organized.

00:27:01.000 And Trump wound up just winning it anyway.

00:27:03.000 But things are different now.

00:27:04.000 They moved it up.

00:27:06.000 They moved California up in the hope that they can get a narrative win.

00:27:09.000 Well, I think it builds it up for Democrats too, though, right?

00:27:12.000 I think this was mostly a Democrat.

00:27:14.000 I mean, like, because Pelosi and Newsom and Camley, they want their home state to be more important, right?

00:27:19.000 They're trying to.

00:27:20.000 Well, so did Jessica, so did Jessica Patterson.

00:27:22.000 If you look at her, if you look at her Twitter feed, yeah, if you look at her Twitter feed over the last year, you'll see that, and by the way, that's Kevin's right-hand girl.

00:27:32.000 If you look at her Twitter feed, she has been open about how California is going to have an outsized role in picking the Republican nominee.

00:27:40.000 And there is, when I say the California plan, it's not very well, it's not very public, but people who are involved in California politics out there, you know, it's get Tom McClintock, which they already apparently did, to sort to endorse DeSantis, Kevin Kiley, who was in a tight race, and a bunch of people frankly endorsement.

00:28:00.000 Who did Kevin Kiley endorse?

00:28:02.000 He hasn't yet, but from what I hear, that's coming.

00:28:06.000 So to get all of them for DeSantis for DeSantis.

00:28:08.000 For DeSantis.

00:28:09.000 They're going to try to line California up behind DeSantis. 0.50

00:28:12.000 So if Trump wins, they expect they'll lose the Central Valley to him, but maybe they can keep Orange.

00:28:19.000 They keep L.A., the San Francisco, the Bay Area, right?

00:28:23.000 So if they did do that, mathematically, it would close the gap, but it wouldn't matter, Charlie, because the South is, he's going to get steamrolled in the South.

00:28:34.000 Trump is literally, at this point, would take every single delegate in South Carolina.

00:28:39.000 And then the Midwest, they would need some strength in the Midwest.

00:28:42.000 But again, I just don't see it.

00:28:46.000 I don't see it.

00:28:47.000 Yeah, I mean, so you're looking at, okay, Trump gets 60% of the delegates and DeSantis might get 40% of the delegates.

00:28:54.000 I mean, if it's 55%, 60, 70.

00:28:57.000 But Rich, let's just game this out.

00:29:00.000 What you just articulated is a 250 million minimum, 500 million more realistic six-month circus.

00:29:09.000 Is that correct?

00:29:11.000 Yeah, half a billion dollar circus.

00:29:14.000 And then with the hope for a hope to get the same thing that we would get anyway.

00:29:19.000 That's it.

00:29:20.000 And all it has the potential to do is fracture the party.

00:29:24.000 We just earlier this morning on the show went over the, you know, the details of Kentucky and looking at it in the context of some of the polling we've done and is new and out now.

00:29:34.000 Kentucky is bad for Team DeSantis because there's two universes of pollsters right now.

00:29:39.000 One where it's myself, it's Emerson, Rasmussen, welcome to the club this morning, 6217, Trump, and then most others.

00:29:49.000 But they have a few others that they have been arguing is showing a closer race and that the rest of us are wrong.

00:29:55.000 Well, the problem is now, Kentucky just happened and a couple of us weighed in on that.

00:30:02.000 So what Kentucky suggests is that our polling universe is accurately reflecting the state of this electorate, the mood of this electorate.

00:30:11.000 If you add Cameron and Quarles's vote share, what you have is the vote share that we're all predicting for Trump and Kentucky right now, 70 plus percent, right?

00:30:21.000 And where is Kelly at around 17%, which is exactly DeSantis' vote share?

00:30:28.000 So if we were right about the primary, Charlie, right, then we're right about the state of the race.

00:30:34.000 And if we're right about the state of those races, chances are we're right about the rest of them, including the national environment.

00:30:40.000 So let me just say this really quick.

00:30:42.000 No candidate, even a non-incumbent candidate, even this early in the cycle, has ever lost the nomination when they were polling at or above 50%.

00:30:53.000 Yes, even this early.

00:30:55.000 And no non-incumbent has ever lost a nomination with 60 or more at this point, this early, elected national and gubernatorial endorsements.

00:31:04.000 Trump has both.

00:31:05.000 He's got both, those milestones already covered.

00:31:08.000 So this would be the first time in history, modern history.

00:31:12.000 The closest one to lose was Ted Kennedy, but he wasn't at 50.

00:31:15.000 At his highest, he was at 45.

00:31:17.000 This is very different.

00:31:19.000 And Ted Kennedy did not have those endorsed.

00:31:21.000 He didn't have the support.

00:31:22.000 Look, I just wanted to say, endorsements don't mean anything.

00:31:25.000 Trump has proven endorsements don't mean anything.

00:31:27.000 You know what?

00:31:27.000 You know what Trump does have?

00:31:29.000 Trump has right-wing media largely behind him.

00:31:32.000 That means a lot more than some senator or some dog catcher.

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00:32:39.000 Rich, if you were advising Donald Trump, would you advise him to participate in the debates?

00:32:45.000 Wow, what a great question, Charlie.

00:32:49.000 And if I may, real quick, just somebody had texted me during the break.

00:32:52.000 Because it's statistically significant when you're 50% or above.

00:32:56.000 It's now about changing minds.

00:32:58.000 It's not about persuasion anymore.

00:32:59.000 So that's why it's statistically significant.

00:33:02.000 But I would, Charlie, and I'm going to tell you why.

00:33:05.000 It is normally a no-no for a candidate with a lead this large to debate because it's usually all downside for them.

00:33:13.000 And of course, if you're the loser or you're trailing, you want to debate and you make a big deal out of it because you're hoping for a misstep by the frontrunner that you can capitalize on.

00:33:23.000 But there, let me, if I played Devil's Advocate, I would say this: Ron DeSantis is not a good debater.

00:33:28.000 He's very awkward on stage.

00:33:29.000 Anyone who followed the Gillam campaign or the Chris campaign, even with the lessons, he hasn't improved to the point where I think he'd look great on a national stage with Donald Trump.

00:33:40.000 Number two is that the moderators, if you look at the presidential debate schedule, it's going to look a lot like 2015 and 16 again.

00:33:49.000 The moderators are going to make it look like they're helping Ron DeSantis and people are good.

00:33:54.000 The optics of it are going to turn people off.

00:33:58.000 So, you know, there's an upside to it.

00:34:01.000 I don't think he should.

00:34:02.000 He's got this image of being afraid of nothing.

00:34:05.000 Look at how he just completely handled CNN during the town hall.

00:34:11.000 I just don't see why he wouldn't get up there and give his voters, by the way, what they want.

00:34:16.000 They love it when Donald Trump gets on that stage and levels someone.

00:34:19.000 So, you know, do it.

00:34:21.000 I would say do it.

00:34:22.000 So you say participate.

00:34:24.000 Got it.

00:34:24.000 I do.

00:34:25.000 That's interesting.

00:34:26.000 I think it's currently debated right now.

00:34:29.000 I mean, at least Trump's statements, it doesn't make any real mystery here.

00:34:32.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:34:34.000 You know, Trump going and doing CNN shows that he's not afraid, but does it give openings or opportunities for other candidates, which then segues, Rich, you know, let's put Trump and Ron DeSantis aside.

00:34:45.000 Is there any other candidate that's starting to gain steam or traction?

00:34:48.000 There's talk about Vivek starting to, you know, he went from like two to five percent, which is more than Nikki Haley.

00:34:56.000 And that's also just fascinating, Rich.

00:34:57.000 I mean, how much the conservative movement has changed.

00:35:00.000 You remember when there was almost like a pseudo-coronation for Nikki Haley, and he's like, is she still running?

00:35:06.000 I mean, she's a sweet person.

00:35:10.000 I've always been friendly with her, but I certainly don't see her campaign resonating with many people.

00:35:16.000 It does really show you how much the movement has changed.

00:35:19.000 And you got to give it to her for at least staying in her lane, defining her laning, and staying in it.

00:35:25.000 But over the last month in our polling, she and anyone else, I mean, Pence is still in third, a very distant third.

00:35:34.000 But now, Vivek is basically tied with him in our poll.

00:35:37.000 He's a little bit above five.

00:35:38.000 Vivek is at like 4.8.

00:35:40.000 So, I mean, if you round, it's statistically insignificant.

00:35:43.000 And if you round, they're both at 5%.

00:35:46.000 Meanwhile, Haley and Tim Scott both cratered in our polling.

00:35:51.000 But I got to give it to her that at least she's saying, I'm trying to stake out a certain lane, and this is where I'm at.

00:35:57.000 And I'm not going to try to pretend to be something I'm not.

00:36:00.000 The major problem with anyone else so far is that they have essentially tried to out-Trump Trump in Trump's lane.

00:36:07.000 And Trump's lane is by far the biggest lane.

00:36:09.000 We have him now at about at least, depending on where we're polling, but nationally, over two-thirds of the self-identified conservative vote.

00:36:18.000 So that lane is just locked at this point for him.

00:36:21.000 Moderates, you know, there's three in 10, let's say they'll be roughly of the Republican primary electorate, but it's just not enough to consolidate.

00:36:32.000 So Vivek is taking this.

00:36:34.000 Most of his second choice voters in our polling are Trump voters, which is odd.

00:36:38.000 Finally, so it reminds me of the Scott Adams voters.

00:36:41.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:36:42.000 What we know now, what is the missing piece for what a VP for Trump would be the most helpful?

00:36:47.000 What are you seeing that is necessary?

00:36:49.000 Because sometimes VPs can help, or sometimes they can just, you know, not, you know, Mike Pence didn't, I don't know how much he did or didn't do.

00:36:56.000 What do you think?

00:36:57.000 It's a different calculation this time in 2016.

00:36:59.000 With Mike Pence, it was, you know, calm the fears of traditional conservatives.

00:37:03.000 Obama picked Biden to calm older white people.

00:37:06.000 Let's be real, right?

00:37:07.000 With Trump, he doesn't really need, he doesn't really need that anymore.

00:37:11.000 I think what he'll need is an opportunity or an opening, maybe a Chris Sununu in New Hampshire, you know, in a state where there's Chris Sununu.

00:37:21.000 No, no, he's not.

00:37:22.000 He's not.

00:37:23.000 But somebody like that, you know, where they give you at least some appeal in a state, a specific state that's yeah, so maybe Ron Johnson.

00:37:31.000 I think Ron Johnson would be interesting.

00:37:33.000 Yeah.

00:37:33.000 That's exactly what I'm saying.

00:37:34.000 I think Ron Johnson would be a strategic selection.

00:37:38.000 He could basically just campaign for the Wisconsin.

00:37:40.000 I think Ron Johns would make some sense.

00:37:42.000 That's smart.

00:37:42.000 We're out of time.

00:37:43.000 Big data poll.

00:37:44.000 Rich Barris.

00:37:45.000 Thanks so much.

00:37:46.000 Appreciate it.

00:37:47.000 All the best.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 18, 2023

Who is the 2024 VP Pick? with Rich Baris and MTG

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