The entire episode examines what happened to John Fitzgerald Kennedy. What is in the new JFK files? We go through that too with Roger Stone. The entire hour is dedicated to it. Listen to it intently. It is worthwhile.
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00:02:00.000And no, I did not read all 80,000 of them.
00:02:03.000But our next guest already knows all of them by heart and can tell you what's really going on here.
00:02:10.000For the full hour, we have the legendary Roger Stone.
00:02:12.000And we're going to take our time here and go through what have we learned from the files, what do we know, and the truth about who killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
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00:02:50.000So, Roger, let's start with the most immediate news, and then we can kind of go back in time.
00:02:57.000I think the one thing we learned is that the Central Intelligence Agency has dissembled in the past about their knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald, at least his existence.
00:03:11.000We've learned that they knew he was not a good shot.
00:03:17.000The shooter from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building.
00:03:22.000But again, these documents have been in government hands for 62 plus years.
00:03:31.000In other words, plenty of time to sanitize them.
00:03:34.000A number of congressmen, like Tim Burschett from Tennessee, suggested early on that the president broaden his disclosure order to include every agency, not narrow it to the...
00:03:50.000Kennedy assassination documents archive that is controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:03:56.000So we don't know if what we have seen is complete, but what we do know is what we've seen so far is inconclusive, other than to say it does confirm that the Central Intelligence Agency had far earlier knowledge of Oswald and the documents we've seen so far.
00:04:18.000Tend to seek to reinforce what I still believe is a false narrative that Oswald shot Kennedy.
00:04:27.000If Lee Harvey Oswald shot John Kennedy and he used a $26 World War II vintage Italian Army carbine, why does he have no powder burns on his chest or his arms or his hands, according to the test by the Dallas Police Department?
00:04:46.000So, let's just stay focused on the, and by the way, I sympathize with you 100%.
00:04:50.000I've always subscribed that this hot Oswald thing is nonsense.
00:04:53.000I think they were more than one shooter, but I want to get into that eventually.
00:04:56.000But just on the files, has, and I know this is a silly question, has anyone actually gone through all of them as of our conversation now, Roger?
00:05:40.000That late in the day, the day of disclosure, the day these were released, there were reports that the Department of Justice was going to delay the release based on purposes of national security.
00:05:58.000And then I was glad to see that Tulsi Gabbard, keeping the president's promise, announced when the documents could be seen both online.
00:06:10.000And you can go to the National Archives and see them in person.
00:06:13.000You've got to make an appointment, I believe, but for any American to see.
00:06:17.000So the president has kept his promise, but what we don't know is whether what is going to be released, ultimately, all 80,000, is in fact complete.
00:06:29.000I don't think any conclusion can be drawn based on what we have seen, other than the agency's knowledge regarding...
00:06:39.000Oswald starts far earlier than they say.
00:06:43.000Remember, Charlie, that the law mandating the release of these documents was passed in 1994.
00:07:04.000We had the 1099 from the IRS to Lee Harvey Oswald for his time working for the FBI as an informant.
00:07:12.000For example, we had a memo from J. Edgar Hoover, then the head of the FBI, to President Lyndon Johnson saying that the KGB, the Russian intelligence agency, had conducted their own independent investigation into Kennedy's assassination.
00:07:31.000And they had concluded, as I did in my 2013 book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, that Johnson was complicit in Kennedy's assassination.
00:07:42.000So President Trump already released a number of really compelling and interesting documents way back in 2017.
00:07:50.000He did release all of them that time because Mike Pompeo, the CIA director, asked that 20% of the documents...
00:07:59.000Those are the documents that we are seeing now and which we will see more of shortly.
00:08:04.000So just so our audience understands, that they're still all being uploaded in real time.
00:08:09.000Is that correct, that this is a process?
00:09:37.000We also know that six people saw a man in the window of the Texas School Book Depository building who met the physical description of Wallace.
00:09:49.000Middle-aged, heavy set, balding with glasses.
00:09:54.000Six different witnesses see a man who meets that description, not the description of Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:10:22.000He was a crony of Johnson's, went to prison for corruption, but the grandson released an audio tape that is a conversation between Billy Solestus and Cliff Carter.
00:10:35.000Cliff Carter was the chief political operative for Lyndon Johnson, executive director of the Democrat National Committee in the 60s, in which they openly discussed the fact that Johnson had hired Wallace to shoot...
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00:11:27.000I guarantee you, everybody in this audience, you guys have a son, a daughter, a sister, a nephew that has private student loan debt that is distressed.
00:12:05.000As you know, Charlie, the motivation for me to write my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, which, by the way, nothing we've seen so far distracts from or contradicts my conclusion that the CIA is among those involved in the murder of Kennedy.
00:12:22.000But I was working for former President Richard Nixon in his post-presidential years.
00:12:28.000I've been brought in to work on his schedule and do occasional political chores for him.
00:12:34.000He was, as you know, liked a good martini.
00:12:38.000He was enormously prospective and not very retrospective.
00:12:43.000In other words, it was very hard to get him to talk about the past, about his relationship and friendship with John Kennedy or Dwight Eisenhower or Nikita Khrushchev or any of the high points and low points of his career.
00:12:56.000But after a couple of cocktails, he would open up a bit, and it was on one of those occasions that I said, Mr. President, can I ask you a question?
00:13:28.000And it was that that motivated me to go into five years of research to write my book, in which I concluded that Johnson, who as the Senate majority leader, took the very unusual step of appointing himself to the subcommittee of defense appropriations in the Senate, where the CIA's budget was secretly prepared, their black box budget.
00:13:57.000Johnson had also been receiving bribes from Carlos Marcelo, the gangster who ran gambling in Texas and Louisiana.
00:14:08.000And interestingly enough, the man who passed those bribes to LBJ, Maine, named Jack Halford.
00:14:15.000Got a presidential pardon two days after Lyndon Johnson became president.
00:14:20.000He had been convicted on some unrelated charge.
00:14:23.000Johnson also, obviously, was the water carrier for Big Texas Oil.
00:14:29.000So I believe all of those entities had their own interests in the removal of John Kennedy.
00:14:37.000In the case of the Central Intelligence Agency, which is the focus of most of these disclosures, There were two, really, two problems.
00:14:46.000One, the Bay of Pigs, which was the invasion of Cuba by the United States that was designed to look like an indigenous Cuban uprising.
00:14:56.000Now, the plan, which was born under Eisenhower in a working group headed by Vice President Richard Nixon, included air cover.
00:15:06.000For the men storming the beaches that were supposed to be supplied by 29 Panamanian-flagged fighter jets piloted by Cuban pilots.
00:15:16.000For reasons we do not know, the CIA canceled that the day before the invasion.
00:15:24.000Consequently, the invasion was a fiasco.
00:15:27.000The men storming the beaches in Cuba at the Bay of Pigs were cut to ribbons.
00:15:33.000Curtis LeMay, the head of the U.S. Air Force, at that point the Joint Chiefs, went to JFK and said the only way to save the day here is to send in the U.S. Air Force.
00:15:44.000Kennedy refused because that would have exposed that this was a U.S.-sponsored operation.
00:16:10.000Forty years later, when documents were declassified, we learned what the military knew in real time, which was we removed our NATO missiles from Italy and Turkey in return for an agreement with Khrushchev to remove the missiles from Cuba.
00:16:28.000But that agreement had no on-site inspection.
00:16:31.000So there was deep distrust between the CIA and President Kennedy, and therefore a motive.
00:16:38.000We also know, and this can be quite well documented, that the intelligence services and the Secret Service had learned that John Kennedy had become addicted to methamphetamine.
00:16:50.000He was seeing Dr. Max Jacobson of New York, who was known also as Dr. Feelgood.
00:16:57.000Dr. Jacobson was attending many of the beautiful people of the day, Frank Sinatra, the opera singer Maria Calais, Pablo Casals, Leonard Bernstein, Nelson Rockefeller, and he was injecting them with what they were told was a proprietary blend of vitamins and enzymes that would lift their energy.
00:17:22.000In fact, it was an early proprietary blend of methamphetamine.
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00:18:30.000What I'm trying to do here, Charlie, is to demonstrate the motive of everyone who I believe is involved in Kennedy's assassination.
00:18:38.000So to wrap that up, the Central Intelligence Agency is angry about what they think is the mishandling of the Bay of Pigs, the mishandling of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and their concern about...
00:18:51.000John Kennedy being attended by Dr. Max Jacobson.
00:18:54.000If you look at the manifest of those who traveled to Vienna for the summit conference with Khrushchev, you'll find Dr. Jacobson on that manifest.
00:19:04.000And in fact, he writes extensively in his own book about injecting John F. Kennedy with this proprietary blend of methamphetamine prior...
00:19:45.000He says in his memoirs that he's on the elevator with the new president, Lyndon Johnson, immediately after Johnson has assumed the presidency.
00:19:54.000And he says to him, Mr. President, who would do something so horrible?
00:20:09.000Lee Harvey Oswald has not yet been apprehended.
00:20:13.000Another point, the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover puts out a telex to all of the station chiefs in the United States saying that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Russian communist, has been apprehended.
00:20:27.000But the Telex goes out before Oswald has actually been arrested in the theater in Dallas.
00:20:43.000If Richard Nixon believed this, which I'm not doubting your story, why didn't he then go public with it during Watergate or in his post-presidency?
00:20:52.000Because it very well could have helped him while he became...
00:20:55.000While he was being transitioned into political exile.
00:20:58.000You know, our mutual friend Tucker Carlson, I think, actually illustrated this point.
00:21:05.000Very recently, he played an audio tape that is a conversation between Richard Nixon and the CIA director, Richard Helms, in which he's beginning to pressure Helms for help from the CIA in the encroaching Watergate scandal.
00:21:25.000And he confronts him and says, you know, a lot of dirty business went on over there at the agency.
00:21:44.000So the answer to your question, Charlie, is I believe...
00:21:47.000Based on that recording and also on an interview I did with General Alexander Haig, Nixon's last chief of staff, that Nixon leveraged his knowledge of Kennedy's assassination and the government's duplicity in it for the pardon.
00:22:03.000And, as reported by the New York Times, Gerald Ford, later president, but at that time a member of the Warren Commission, at the direction of J. Edgar Hoover, the head of the FBI, Actually takes the autopsy diagram from Kennedy's doctor,
00:22:21.000erases the markings that show a wound in Kennedy's upper back, and moves it to his lower neck, rear neck, to accommodate the so-called single-bullet theory.
00:22:34.000When the New York Times asks President Ford, then a former president, why he did this, he said, well, the country needed closure.
00:22:43.000He didn't say the country needed truth.
00:23:13.000Or the investigation made people believe that there was something here that was less than desirable?
00:23:21.000Well, let's remember, Kennedy is supposed to be going from the airport to the merchandise mark outside of Dallas, neither one of which is in the city limits.
00:23:32.000It is John Connolly, then governor of Texas, who insists that the motorcade route go through Dealey Plaza.
00:23:39.000So why did they even go into the city to come back out of the city?
00:23:43.000And Jerry Bruno, who is the chief advance man for John F. Kennedy, records in his book that he objected to the motorcade route because it would have required and did require the presidential limousine to come to a full stop, a stop sign, which of course is what made Kennedy a target.
00:24:03.000Connolly insists that if they don't take the motorcade route as demanded by the governor of Texas, that the entire trip will be scheduled.
00:24:12.000Secondarily, all of the buildings on both sides of Dealey Plaza are supposed to be searched, emptied, and sealed.
00:24:30.000There's supposed to be three motorcycle officers, each abreast of the presidential limousine on each side.
00:24:38.000Not only are there not six motorcycle cops, there's one, and he's directed to ride behind the presidential limousine.
00:24:46.000And then, of course, there is the question of Lyndon Johnson.
00:24:49.000The vice presidential limousine is riding two car lengths behind the presidential limousine.
00:24:56.000But if you look at newsreel footage and still camera footage, what you see in the succession of photos is Ralph Yarborough.
00:25:06.000The senator from Texas, archenemy of Lyndon Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson, and Senator Johnson, or Vice President Johnson.
00:25:15.000And then in the next image, Johnson is missing.
00:25:19.000That's because he hits the deck prior to the first shot being heard.
00:25:24.000Now, Rufus Youngblood, who is a Secret Service agent assigned to Johnson, testifies to the Warren Commission that upon hearing the first shot, he pushed Johnson to the floor.
00:25:36.000After Johnson's death, Youngblood recants and says, well, no, that's not actually what happened.
00:25:43.000But that Johnson hit the deck and was talking into a small radio or walkie-talkie prior to the first shot being fired.
00:25:52.000All of those anomalies raise suspicions about what happened that day.
00:25:59.000In fact, it was Johnson who convinced Kennedy to visit Texas.
00:26:05.000The purpose of this was to bind up a division between the more conservative bourbon wing of the Texas Democrat Party and the more progressive liberal wing as heading According to Jackie Kennedy's memoirs, the night before...
00:26:23.000Johnson goes to President Kennedy's hotel room in Fort Worth and tries to change the motorcade arrangements to put Senator Yarbrough, his hated rival, in the death car with John Kennedy and move Governor Connolly to the vice presidential car.
00:26:40.000Kennedy refuses, saying it defeats the whole purpose of his trip to Dallas.
00:26:45.000He's supposed to be seen with the head of the conservative wing of the party to try to unite the party for the 1964 election.
00:27:09.000And from thence, the so-called single bullet theory was conjured up.
00:27:18.000In fact, this new documentary by Paramount Plus, What the Parkland Doctors Saw, you said at the beginning, Charlie, there are multiple shooters.
00:27:27.000And the wounds the doctors saw in John Kennedy were consistent with his being shot from the front.
00:27:35.000None of this, of course, is reflected in any of the documents that have been released thus far.
00:27:41.000So let's let's remind the audience, though, the significance of this, because some 20 year old that might be watching the show, Roger, would say that's all terrible.
00:28:01.000And therefore it means definitionally it was a conspiracy.
00:28:06.000Roger, do you believe in more than one shooter?
00:28:10.000If so, what do you think happened on the grassy knoll?
00:28:13.000There's at least two witnesses, one in the railroad tower, a second witness on the ground, who see a man on the fence line on the so-called grassy knoll.
00:29:17.000Record a blowout wound in the rear of Kennedy's head, meaning he had been hit from the front.
00:29:23.000There's a wound about the size of a grapefruit in the back of Kennedy's head.
00:29:28.000By the time his body gets to the Bethesda Medical Center, and by the way, his body had to be removed at gunpoint by the Secret Service because Texas state law insists on an autopsy.
00:29:40.000performed in Texas before the body can be released.
00:29:45.000So they essentially snatch the body and they take it to Now, I believe it is possible that Kennedy's body actually left on Air Force Two, got to Bethesda Medical Center earlier than expected, that the coffin that was on Air Force One may have been empty.
00:30:10.000That wound is not recorded in Bethesda.
00:30:14.000Really quick, yes or no question, Roger.
00:31:29.000The significance of getting towards the truth of this.
00:31:34.000Could show that the government lies to you and the government was involved.
00:31:38.000What would you say to someone that still believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and any one of us that believes that there's more to the story, that we're just being conspiracy wingnuts?
00:32:09.000We know that the Secret Service, the state police, and the local police know for 92 minutes there's a man who's been seen with a rangefinder and a gun within the seal perimeter of the president's event, but no one tells the president's...
00:32:27.000Direct security detail, and he's not evacuated, which is what the Secret Service manual would have required.
00:32:33.000We're told that the Secret Service, the state police, and the local police are all on different radio frequencies, so they can't communicate with each other.
00:32:43.000In fact, local police see a man with a gun on the roof of a building earlier than the Secret Service, but they can't communicate that.
00:32:55.000Matthew Crooks is the man who shot President Trump from the roof of a building, but just as they hosed out the inside of JFK's limousine almost immediately, they hosed down the roof of the building where Crooks was shot and killed, presumably so there'd be no trace of his DNA.
00:33:16.000I find all of these things troubling, and I think that there are more questions than there are.
00:33:26.000Donald Trump poses an existential threat to the established order.
00:33:31.000And now you look at the events in West Palm Beach, which are even more disturbing.
00:33:36.000How does this man, Ryan Routh, who is accused of trying to kill the president, we're told that he's indigent, behind in his rent payments, behind in his alimony payments.
00:34:16.000What happened in 1963, not dissimilar to what happened in the run-up to the presidential election, which is why every night when I say the rosary, when I pray the rosary, I pray for the protection of the president and his family first and foremost.
00:34:34.000You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but there's already been two attempts on his life.
00:34:43.000I mean, that's dark and deep and true stuff, Roger, unfortunately.
00:34:48.000You have been working on this for decades, I'm sure, frustratingly.
00:34:52.000Do you believe you're making progress, Roger, in informing the American people about the truth of how our government might have the ability to execute its own president?
00:35:03.000Charlie, I'm working on a book on the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan.
00:35:08.000You know, the government has never produced a final report.
00:35:13.000But we know that John Hinckley Jr., the man accused and later incarcerated and recently released in the assassination attempt of Reagan, is always in front of Reagan, crouching, shooting upwards.
00:35:54.000The same forces who killed Kennedy, the same forces who removed Nixon for having the audacity of being for peace in a silent coup, the same forces that tried to kill Reagan, the same forces who tried...
00:36:10.000Trump is this, in fact, this deep state, this globalist conspiracy of unelected bureaucrats and others that infect our national security apparatus, our military, the think tanks, the defense contractors.
00:36:27.000And they are scared to death by the most improbable and I think successful president in our lifetimes.