On this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Andrew Colvitt and co-host Blake Neff are joined by Sen. Rick Scott (R-SC) to discuss the latest on the latest in the Trump administration and the Democratic Party.
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00:03:22.000We were so used to getting polling all the time during the election and the run-up to the presidential election that It's kind of novel now to get a set of polls out that tell us anything about the way the country's feeling.
00:03:37.000Blake, let's start with the big news of the weekend, and that is President Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of like 1789.
00:04:49.000You're even hearing voices on the right now saying this is a constitutional crisis because these national injunctions by these district court judges, of which there are more than 200 of them, actually have—this has been a crisis that the Trump administration wanted to pick.
00:05:05.000They wanted to pick a fight, and the question was, which was the right fight to pick?
00:05:13.000We are headed towards some sort of constitutional showdown.
00:05:16.000We discussed, I think we tweeted last week, the number of nationwide injunctions from federal judges in the first two months of the Trump administration.
00:05:26.000In fact, I think just in February alone was more than the first three years of the Biden presidency.
00:05:33.000And some of that's not super surprising because Trump has been very aggressive.
00:05:40.000Done more things that could provoke a nationwide injunction.
00:05:44.000But at the same time, you're getting to the point, you're realizing there's going to be, like, if a district judge has the power to do a nationwide injunction and you have these judges who have been appointed by Obama, appointed by Biden,
00:06:09.000During Trump's first term, this isn't well remembered, but during Trump's first term, you had judges ruling that Trump couldn't be deporting...
00:06:53.000And you have these judges issuing nationwide micromanagement of, actually, you need to turn these planes around right now or else, even though they're in international waters.
00:07:05.000Like, okay, could the judge say, actually, the planes have to keep flying until they crash, and you have to move these troops elsewhere?
00:07:12.000Like, you get to the point where the judges clearly think they can rule on absolutely anything nationwide, and you don't want to reach the point where a president can just veto anything a judge does, but at the same time, we have one president.
00:07:26.000We don't have whatever number of district court.
00:07:28.000We don't have 240 presidents nationwide who can all veto each other.
00:07:40.000I mean, you bring up an interesting point that we had over 200,000, or maybe depending on what the number is, it was either 10, 15, Trump has said it's up to 20 million illegal migrants entering the country.
00:07:54.000But, you know, there wasn't national injunctions saying, you know, Joe Biden actually has to enforce the border laws that we have on the books.
00:08:03.000It only seems to work one way, and I think that's ultimately where the frustration lies, is that they do a lot of judge shopping, and these activist liberal judges view the judiciary, the role of the judges of the Article III courts in this country,
00:08:20.000They view it more from an activist lens.
00:08:22.000So we're almost at a structural disadvantage because conservative judges tend to not overstep their boundaries as much, whereas an activist judge sort of feels the need to do so, right?
00:08:34.000And so there's actually, it's easier for the left to activate this policy.
00:08:39.000I don't think we should overstep that, Andrew, because we've definitely had nationwide injunctions under the Biden administration, under the Obama administration.
00:08:48.000I think there were nationwide injunctions on provisions of Obamacare until that went to the Supreme Court.
00:08:54.000I think there have been nationwide injunctions on –
00:09:05.000I'm saying that by and large, it is one side does it more than the other.
00:09:12.000You alluded to as much, yes, Trump has been more active that would provoke more of a reaction from the left, but in,
00:09:20.000You know, in general terms, this is a tactic that the left has employed far more successfully and far more times than has happened on the right.
00:09:28.000And I think just by disposition, a conservative judge is less likely to go stick his foot into matters that he or she doesn't feel they need to.
00:09:44.000Like, is this idea of the strategy behind this.
00:09:48.000So they've essentially been itching for this fight in the Trump administration.
00:09:52.000All of these national injunctions have come down.
00:09:55.000There is a whole legal theory behind this where a district court is...
00:10:02.000And by the way, there's more activities happening.
00:10:08.000There's more people that are working on this behind the scenes.
00:10:10.000But the theory is that a district court ruling should only apply to the people that are involved
00:10:20.000It should not, therefore, be a nationwide injunction.
00:10:25.000And, you know, I think there's some strong, you know, historical rationale behind that.
00:10:31.000But this idea that one judge can then essentially rule the country, at least in specific policies, is a very, very new phenomenon in the republic.
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00:12:18.000I mentioned before the break that I was really fascinated about the strategy of this.
00:12:22.000And so just to let people in behind the scenes of what happened is they basically tried to, you know, oftentimes Trump will sign these executive orders really publicly.
00:13:16.000Do you think this was the right fight to pick this with these courts?
00:13:19.000Well, if we were going to have a showdown with the courts, I think immigration is the best place to have a showdown with them.
00:13:26.000It's where we most consistently have judges trying to do things that are insane, where they're basically saying, you're not allowed to deport any illegal criminals.
00:13:35.000It's almost like 25% of the federal judiciary is just far-left radicals who believe there's...
00:13:43.000Article 1 of the Constitution is just America has open borders no matter what.
00:13:48.000And so it's a good fight to have in that sense.
00:14:03.000But if all of them are foreign gang members and they've come in huge numbers under Biden, that's definitely the most...
00:14:11.000The best way that Trump can justify, I need dramatic action.
00:14:14.000It's also a good area to fight because the president's authority over immigration under the law is very high.
00:14:21.000The president basically can exclude people that he deems a threat to the United States.
00:14:26.000The president, as commander-in-chief, has the very explicit constitutional authority to defend the United States.
00:14:35.000And I think they're on strong grounds if they say, okay...
00:14:38.000Maybe a hundred years ago, this would get invoked primarily during wartime.
00:14:43.000But these days, you don't have as much war between states, but you have far greater ability for non-state actors such as criminal gangs to just intrude into your country and cause mayhem.
00:14:55.000And I think the Trump administration is on strong grounds to say that is the modern version of...
00:15:01.000A military invasion of, you know, a foreign horde showing up and trying to sack your cities and the president needs to invoke aggressive powers to combat this.
00:15:12.000I'd much rather be having them showdown with the courts over this than, for example, over, we'll probably discuss this later, like the auto-pen thing with Biden.
00:15:21.000I think this is something where the interest of the American people is very clear.
00:15:24.000And you're forcing Democrats into this box of defending, oh yeah, we don't want gang members deported.
00:15:30.000And eventually they'll be able to say, this guy was involved in a home invasion.
00:15:44.000You know, this is the judge that essentially stepped in and said that, you know, you can't be using the Alien Enemies Act of 1789 to deport these 250 alleged Trendy Aragle gang members.
00:15:58.000This is also a guy, by the way, that gave Eric Cimarella If you will recall from the FBI investigation of Trump, he was the one who falsified the actual FBI documents, which is a federal crime, a very serious one.
00:16:12.000This is the same judge that basically gave him a slap on the wrist.
00:16:15.000So that's a weird, you know, little wrinkle here that some, you know, I've heard other Republicans say, hey, this guy has it out for Trump.
00:16:30.000Cimarella committed against the country, specifically targeting President Trump.
00:16:36.000So that judge has come back around now and is a thorn in the side of the Trump administration.
00:16:42.000My two cents here is that if you are going to pick a fight, the authority vested in the president to handle foreign activities, whether that be immigration or war or Treaties with other countries is pretty established within the courts.
00:17:02.000If you're going to pick a fight, do it there because it's the firmest footing that a president has constitutionally.
00:18:36.000I mean, who in their right mind, whether you're a judge or not...
00:18:41.000TDA, a recognized terrorist organization, sent here by the Maduro regime, to create havoc, to unsettle the United States through the use of fentanyl to kill thousands of Americans, violence to American citizens, raping and murdering young women in this country.
00:18:57.000They're enemies of this country, and President Trump treated them as enemies, and we did exactly what we should have done.
00:19:03.000Again, President Trump is going to make this country safe again.
00:19:07.000He's going to do it one illegal alien at a time, and this weekend, we did 261.
00:19:12.000The great Tom Homan, border czar, friend of this show, friend of the country, friend of every patriot, telling it like it is.
00:19:19.000There's another clip going around, and maybe we'll get to it, of him defending a 200-year-old law.
00:21:13.000I want them to keep fighting every way possible to get rid of criminals, terrorists, people that are selling drugs to our kids and our grandkids and killing them.
00:21:27.000Yeah, and I think, you know, Senator, it occurs to me that—and we're going to get into some of this polling that we're— I mean, it's just shocking, the polling that's coming out over this weekend from NBC, CNN.
00:21:40.000But, you know, it shocks me that the Democrats seem to continually find themselves on the losing end of an 80-20 issue, and they keep doing it, and they're digging their heels in, it seems like, just to get Trump.
00:21:52.000I personally love the— President Trump, Stephen Miller, the White House is picking this fight amongst all the other fights they could pick.
00:22:01.000Now, there's some stat, Senator, where national injunctions, there was more in the first month of President Trump's administration than there were in the first three years of the Biden administration.
00:22:14.000I know Chuck Grassley's chimed in on social media.
00:22:18.000What can the Senate do as part of its role to rein in this judicial activism?
00:22:23.000Well, we've got to get Trump judges confirmed.
00:22:26.000So, number one, we've got to make sure that, you know, Trump's White House counsel and Pam Bodney give us the names of those that they want to appoint.
00:22:35.000Also, we've got to get new U.S. attorneys, you know, in position and U.S. marshals.
00:22:40.000So the big thing we can do is, number one, do what Chuck Grassley talked about, is we've got to do everything we can to help the judiciary.
00:22:48.000Then number two is we've got to make sure that President Trump has the resources.
00:22:53.000We need to get this reconciliation package done as quickly as possible.
00:22:57.000So he has the resources to deport the hundreds of thousands of people that should be deported from this country because they're doing illegal things.
00:23:33.000And we're going to get into that in just a sec.
00:23:34.000Do you have hopes that the Senate is going to be able to move on from this CR showdown and get this budget reconciliation, one big, beautiful bill on the president's desk?
00:23:43.000Are you feeling good about our prospects there?
00:24:42.000You know, Chuck Schumer is just now, this is breaking this morning, he's canceled a book tour, Senator.
00:24:47.000Let's go ahead and play cut 81. We have learned that Schumer and Jeffries did meet behind closed doors yesterday in Brooklyn, trying to get back on the same page.
00:24:56.000They have huge and consequential fights ahead.
00:24:59.000But the backlash from the left is real.
00:25:01.000In fact, Wolf, Chuck Schumer is scheduled to do a book tour in a number of cities on a book that he has authored on anti-Semitism.
00:25:07.000He has just canceled that book tour, we are learning, because of protests that were scheduled from activist groups who wanted to go after his decision to agree and allow them.
00:25:21.000Senator, what do you make of this backlash to Schumer and his choice ultimately to fund the government?
00:26:15.000But what they realized, I think what Chuck Schumer realized is that was basically playing into Donald Trump's hands.
00:26:21.000One, they would get known for the shutdown.
00:26:23.000And number two, it would give even more authority for President Trump to do exactly what he should be doing, reducing the size of the federal government.
00:26:30.000Reducing the number of people in the federal government.
00:26:36.000We've got to stop growing the government and start growing the private sector.
00:26:41.000What we've been doing under the Biden administration, and the same thing happened under Obama, is the government sector grew, not the private sector.
00:26:48.000We want private sector jobs, not more government jobs.
00:26:51.000That's exactly what Donald Trump is doing.
00:26:53.000You know, there's a crazy stat, Senator.
00:26:55.000In the last two years of the Biden presidency, one out of four new jobs created were government jobs.
00:29:06.000Play cut 60. Americans' favorable views of the Democratic Party's brand are at a record low, just 29 percent.
00:29:14.000That's compared to 36 percent for Republicans.
00:29:17.000It is the lowest ever recorded for Democrats in CNN polling, going back more than 30 years.
00:29:23.000As you can see, the party's numbers dropping a staggering 20 points in just four years.
00:29:28.000Now, this survey was taken before this week's tumultuous battle over funding the government, which resulted in one of the ugliest intraparty Democratic disputes in years.
00:29:37.000Trump is just scrambling their brains.
00:29:40.000Meanwhile, the American people are seeing action and they love it.
00:29:51.000We're finally headed in the right direction.
00:29:53.000And they just laugh at the Democrats because the Democrats are still focused on an open border, men playing in women's sports, some of the things that are completely appalling to most of this country.
00:30:57.000If you are a patriot in this audience, and you have private student loan debt, or your brother does, or your niece does, or your nephew does, maybe you're just thinking back to Christmas or Thanksgiving, and someone's like, oh my gosh, I have these student loans, and I took them out, and I shouldn't have, and it was a private loan,
00:31:13.000and boom, you're just thinking like, wait a second, I remember that.
00:32:20.000This reaction to Trump and his policies and the force of Trump, despite some of his own shooting himself in the foot sometimes, President Trump or the Republicans, we've got him on the run.
00:32:32.000Yeah, they're in disarray for sure, but I think you want to be careful about these because it's getting very caught up in the moment-to-moment of the political noise.
00:32:44.000And the truth is, the Democrats are half the country.
00:32:49.000They're inevitably going to get together, and they could get together in ways that could be pretty scary.
00:32:54.000Like, yeah, if Chuck Schumer's getting denounced by everyone in his party for making the deal on spending, that's a sign that they could shift in a more radical direction.
00:33:05.000That's scary for us, because they'll have scarier ideas for America, but it doesn't even necessarily mean they'll be more popular.
00:33:12.000I think we saw that in this past election.
00:33:15.000There's a lot of people who were Bernie supporters who became Trump supporters.
00:33:19.000They're not people necessarily just moving to the right.
00:33:22.000They're people who almost – they're just dissatisfied with the Democratic Party as it is.
00:33:26.000They could be won over by a party that's like Medicare for all, way more burn it all down on a bunch of other stuff.
00:33:34.000It's like their position is I want to blow up the system and I don't really care how they do it.
00:33:39.000And so we should be prepared for that for sure.
00:33:42.000Yeah, to your point, it reminds me of Republicans saying, I'm just so disaffected with the Republican Party.
00:33:48.000We're going to go to the Patriot Party.
00:33:50.000All right, so Blake, I'm going to play this clip and get your reaction.
00:34:06.000Because if democracy is at risk, and you had no idea what to do, and you have no plan, and even now at this moment, you know nothing of what to do, and you're capitulating to this?
00:34:33.000The big thing with it is just that they're disaffected, but it's certainly not a disaffected where they're going to say, you know, I guess I was wrong about Trump.
00:35:14.000We can't have too much triumphalism on the right where it's just, oh, wow, those Democrats are in disarray.
00:35:20.000Because what you're really seeing is you're seeing fertile ground for new leaders to emerge.
00:35:25.000They might have some sort of demagogic figure take a hold of their party that they're able to whip up the base into, again, like I said, a more radical direction that could still be electorally potent.
00:35:38.000I would strongly push back on anything where we're in great shape because Democrats are angry with each other, because that can very easily turn into a potent new force.
00:36:25.000And I have the team throw this up really quick.
00:36:27.000And actually, Charlie is prominently featured in this display.
00:36:33.000But it shows the conservative media sort of, if you will, ecosystem versus the Democrat ecosystem.
00:36:41.000If you see, there's a lot more red blobs out there.
00:36:44.000And I think this is actually what they're freaking out about.
00:36:47.000Blake, I think Democrats have been so accustomed to dominating media, dominating narrative from the Washington Post, New York Times, and CNN, and MSNBC, and so on, that they are not sure how to react because everything that they're throwing at the wall doesn't seem to stick because all of those red bubbles in there,
00:37:06.000and Charlie's up in the upper left-hand corner if you're watching this.
00:37:10.000We're able to push back against the lies and nothing is sticking.
00:37:14.000So even when there's turmoil or chaos in some of the cell phones from the Trump administration, which do happen, we're able to push through it, unlike previous moments.
00:37:23.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.