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00:00:00.000Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000Who is this parliamentarian and why is she getting in the way of the big beautiful bill?
00:00:07.000So many wins still in the bill, but we have Mark Wayne Mullen as we go back and forth in a not a debate, but it's a little bit of a challenging conversation, but he is a great sport for it.
00:00:17.000And then I close it with it's very simple.
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00:03:33.000So the Senate has all these goofy rules where you have to go through these parliamentarian procedures, and you have basically a voterama.
00:03:40.000So there are several steps to do this.
00:03:43.000Number one, you have to do a procedural vote.
00:03:45.000You have to read the entire bill on the floor.
00:03:48.000You have up to 20 hours of debate, then a voterama on amendments.
00:03:52.000And the amendments are going to be out of control.
00:03:54.000They are going to be just the most goofy things you could possibly imagine.
00:03:57.000I want to have a pigeon factory in Wyoming.
00:04:00.000I want to have an estuary for deer in Tennessee, every possible giveaway you can imagine.
00:04:06.000And then they return the bill to pass the House.
00:04:08.000Now, the House has to be agreeable to all this.
00:04:12.000This cloture vote is what gets highlighted a lot because when a bill is getting filibustered, this is the vote it has to clear to not be filibustered.
00:04:23.000This is the fundamental vote, and it has passed a major hurdle.
00:04:27.000However, Elizabeth McDonough that we talked about last week, she was up to her games this last weekend.
00:04:33.000So here is the Big Beautiful bill as it stands.
00:04:36.000So the remittance tax was 3%, which is a huge part of the Big Beautiful Bill, which taxes money from America to Mexico and puts a tax on basically illegal immigration.
00:04:47.000Now, some people will say, well, it weakens the U.S. dollar.
00:04:51.000I think it's worth the cost to say that we are going to make a firm stand against the idea that you can come to this country, you can come here illegally, take money, and send it back to your home country.
00:05:03.000So the Senate has reduced the remittance tax from 3% to 1%.
00:05:07.000The House raised the debt ceiling up to $4 trillion.
00:05:13.000The child tax credit went from $2,500 per kid down to $2,200 per kid.
00:05:19.000The SALT deduction cap, honestly, this was the best thing the Senate did over the weekend.
00:05:23.000I think SALT is a total scam, and SALT is basically a subsidy of blue states.
00:05:28.000SALT is state and local tax deductions.
00:05:30.000A lot of people from California, New York are going to be emailing us because they're big fans of SALT.
00:05:34.000SALT allows states that are dysfunctional with big pension funds, with unregulated teacher unions, to be able to have these proven failure of policies over periods of time continue.
00:05:47.000And so this went from a $40,000 permanent SALT deduction in the House to a $10,000 temporary SALT deduction.
00:05:54.000Now, whether or not we're still going to get Mike Lawler and the SALT caucus to vote for this in the House, that remains to be seen.
00:06:00.000The senior tax deduction went from $4,000 up to $6,000.
00:06:04.000Now, here are some of the things that were removed by the Senate parliamentarian.
00:06:08.000Some of this is goofy, but honestly, some of this is really important.
00:06:11.000The defunding of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau removed from the parliamentarian.
00:06:15.000$1.4 billion in pay cuts to the Federal Reserve staff.
00:06:56.000The Crenshaw Amendment, which is banning gender-affirming care under Medicaid, that is staying.
00:07:01.000The restrictions of non-citizens immigrant health care coverage.
00:07:05.000Now, I think that actually got figured out in some sort of wording, but a ban on illegals getting food stamps, that remains.
00:07:14.000A repeal of the EPA 2026 vehicle emissions is removed.
00:07:20.000Mandate for USPS to sell electric vehicles, that got removed.
00:07:25.000Removal of a silencer regulation under the NFA, that got removed.
00:07:29.000That one I can understand, that's hardly budgetary.
00:07:32.000An expansion of Pell Grants for short-term workforce, that got removed.
00:07:36.000But here are the major wins that got kept.
00:07:39.000And look, the parliamentarian, Elizabeth McDonough, she just was able to, she just went through and she took like a bat like this and she said, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
00:07:50.000And that is Elizabeth McDonough right there, who basically was just calling shots over this entire bill.
00:07:56.000The Senate can decide to overrule Elizabeth McDonough.
00:08:17.000She's helped Republicans before stop down big legislation.
00:08:20.000But at this point, the fact that we are even talking about Elizabeth McDonough as if she's some sort of power source in the Senate, no one voted for her.
00:09:01.000If you want to talk about a place where it's willing to cast away Senate decorum, and we have Mark Wayne Mullen, I'm going to ask him this question directly, that if we are giving food stamps to illegals, that is a great fight to pick to overrule the Senate parliamentarian.
00:09:23.000And so the components that are kept in the bill are also significant.
00:09:30.000We keep the Trump tax cuts, $2,200 per child tax cut.
00:09:33.000We have deductible income for workers up to $25,000 in tip income, up to $12,500 in overtime income.
00:09:40.000We keep all the border stuff, basically.
00:09:56.000The most key thing about this is that this is a means to deliver on Trump's campaign promise.
00:10:01.000And in America, people should be able to get what they voted for.
00:10:04.000We get 1,875 new ICE agents, $2,500 next year, $600 million from our recruiting and hiring support, $1 billion for military deployment in support of border operations, $46.5 billion for a physical border wall.
00:10:21.000Everybody, I want to take you back to 2016.
00:10:24.000You know that we could not get any funding or any approval from the U.S. Senate back in 2016, 2017, 2018 because of Mitch McConnell and John McCain for the border wall.
00:11:29.000And I have confidence they're going to figure this out.
00:11:31.000But the fact that we cannot restrict foodstamp benefits for illegals because some technocrat Senate staffer says no, I don't know what form of government that is, but that's not a democracy.
00:11:42.000Remember, she has exactly as much power as the Senate gives her.
00:11:45.000So they can change any rule by majority vote.
00:11:48.000And I think it's time to override Elizabeth McDonough on that provision in particular.
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00:13:00.000Joining us now is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen from the great state of Oklahoma.
00:13:03.000Senator, thank you for taking the time here.
00:13:05.000You are the official liaison between the House and the Senate.
00:13:08.000So part of this process is passing stuff that we know the House can pass, and some of this stuff got cut out by the parliamentarian.
00:13:15.000So Senator, I have a two-part question.
00:13:17.000Number one, please give us the update.
00:13:19.000But number two, can you please explain to us, is there any way that we can get like the no food stamps for illegals back in the bill, even though the parliamentarian struck it down?
00:13:29.000Yeah, first of all, sorry about the shot.
00:13:31.000We are running on and off the floor, so I'm stuck down in the basement trying to make this work off of iPhone.
00:13:37.000So where we're at with the bill, we're going through this Votarama.
00:13:39.000We'll probably finish up late tonight.
00:13:41.000I would say just because the dog and pony show, you know, the Democrats want to show that they're fighting, which is just like, you know, I don't know, spoiled child.
00:13:51.000So they're probably going to go through the prime time shows.
00:13:53.000Sometimes after the primetime shows go off the air, they'll probably quit their fight around 11 o'clock Eastern time or so.
00:14:00.000As far as the parliamentarian kicking this stuff out, keep in mind the Byrd Rule, which the Byrd Rule exists to allow us to do reconciliation.
00:14:08.000Without the Byrd Rule, you can't do reconciliation because all appropriation bills require 60 votes in the Senate, not just a simple majority.
00:14:17.000And the Byrd Rule specifically requires you to only deal with mandatory spending, not discretionary spending.
00:14:25.000Discretionary is what we do through the appropriation process.
00:14:27.000Mandatory spending is Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security.
00:15:16.000If it was outside of reconciliation, there are some cases to which you can, but because reconciliation exists only for a funding policy, a procedure through Byrd Rule, you can't.
00:16:39.000You can also, now the leader can remove the parliamentarian.
00:16:42.000But in this case, is it one of those questions that you should remove the parliamentarian over?
00:16:47.000Now, keep in mind, that same parliamentarian kept Bernie Sanders from being able to put the minimum wage increase when Biden did reconciliation.
00:16:55.000This same parliamentarian also kept Bernie Sanders from doing amazing.
00:17:28.000Well, we can change it through the appropriations, through discretionary spending.
00:17:32.000What the parliamentarian ruled was, is this isn't mandatory spending, meaning that Congress doesn't have to automatically spend the money, which she's absolutely correct on that.
00:17:41.000But Darren, when we do discretionary spending through the appropriation process, that's one of the 12 bills, she's saying that's where that belongs, and you can have that fight then.
00:17:52.000When we do the appropriation process, you can go nuclear on some of that stuff and change it from majority to minority, but not through the whole appropriation bill.
00:18:01.000Because as I repeat myself here, the Senate was designed to give the minority a voice, which is why we were able to keep so much stuff when Nancy Plosi was ruling the House is why we were able to keep so much stuff from moving forward, even though at that time we had Harry Reid running the House.
00:19:44.000And I know you're doing a great job, and this is the audience's frustration directed towards the system and the compromising of the mandate.
00:19:52.000But let's say we did remove the parliamentarian with someone that would be more sympathetic, that would be more fair-minded.
00:19:58.000If we can't do it just via rule, what would that look like?
00:20:01.000What would happen with some of your other colleagues potentially erupt in anger?
00:20:11.000Well, technically, I'm thinking here, technically you could do it, but you're not guaranteed that the next parliamentarian is going to be any better because they have to interpret what the bird rule is.
00:20:23.000It's kind of like a judge is supposed to interpret the constitution, but it's funny that you get a 6-3 decision all the time by the court.
00:20:30.000I mean, either it's constitutional or it's not.
00:20:41.000However, if you did do it, the leader could fire the person.
00:20:45.000They could cause, it could trigger a vote.
00:20:48.000And I would say you would have at least 10 Republicans that would vote with the Democrats to probably override the leader in that.
00:20:56.000Unless it was for a legal purpose or a or a job performing purpose, meaning job performing, like she didn't show up to work or something like that.
00:21:25.000Just to make sure I understand we have to now live with the parliamentarian.
00:21:28.000Is there any way to change the wording?
00:21:32.000Because even from people that were once sympathetic to the parliamentarian, I've been getting messages from members, from the administration, and also in the Senate.
00:21:40.000They think she is reaching way too far here.
00:22:27.000But she'll allow you to change your wording if it's possible.
00:22:31.000But if it's ruled that this funding specifically is in discretionary spending zone, which is where the SNAP program for the most part is, it's in the farm bill, which is discretionary spending, then it's hard to actually move that into mandatory because you'd have to draw mandatory that it's inside Medicaid or Medicare.
00:22:51.000And that doesn't fall inside Medicare or Medicaid, the SNAP program.
00:22:55.000So that's a little more difficult to do.
00:22:57.000On some of the other programs that she's kicked out, we was able to go in and rewrite them.
00:23:02.000She will help us with some of the language to write it to make it within the Bird Rule.
00:23:06.000The problem when you do that, sometimes it changes what your objective is because during the Bird Rule, it has to do with revenue only.
00:23:36.000And the rules in the Senate are so old, so ridiculous, and need to be reworked.
00:23:41.000And the reason why they've never been reworked is because when you rework rules, a lot of cases, it actually takes two-thirds of the Senate to actually agree.
00:23:50.000So just for instance, I know this is stupid.
00:23:54.000We can have water and milk on the floor, but you're not allowed to have coffee.
00:23:58.000I can go to the floor wearing a tie and a jacket and no shirt, but I have to have long pants on in closed-toe shoes.
00:24:08.000And these rules have been there, I don't know, before I was there and way before probably Chuck Grassley was there.
00:25:16.000We're defending our country by plussing up the DOD.
00:25:20.000We're making sure that we're energy independent.
00:25:23.000And at the same time, we're boosting take-home paid to the average household of Ford.
00:25:29.000Their take-home paid this year compared to last year would be $10,000 higher.
00:25:35.000We're locking in the economic policies for Trump.
00:25:38.000We're cutting $1.6 trillion in deficit, which is the largest deficit reduction in any Congress or in the history of Congress, which is massive.
00:25:48.000And there's a lie out there being told too, Charlie.
00:25:51.000There's a lie that the Democrats are spreading that a lot of the media has picked up that we're adding $3.3 trillion in deficit.
00:26:07.000If we let the taxes expire that we're currently operating on, which is called current policy, what's the deficit on that?
00:26:13.000Well, since the tax, if we let them expire, it's $4 trillion plus to the Washington, D.C. bureaucrats to spend.
00:26:21.000If we allow it to expire, the CBO said, well, then you have a $3.3 trillion deficit.
00:26:26.000But if you let current policy, which is the current taxes that we're currently in, continue to move forward, it actually is a $507 billion surplus.
00:26:36.000So we're not, it's all about numbers and it's ridiculous numbers, but the media and the left is spreading the lie by saying this is a $3.3 trillion deficit increase.
00:27:32.000There's nothing that stops anybody from putting any amendment on the floor.
00:27:36.000And it's as many as you can get in until you can't keep your eyes open anymore.
00:27:39.000And it's one of these crazy rules that, once again, the Senate has.
00:27:44.000As far as getting in there, Rick Scott's got a provision that could possibly change the FMATS back and it'd give you five years.
00:27:53.000What it does is it goes at some of the Medicare expansion that happened underneath Obamacare.
00:28:00.000It brings it back in and makes you focus specifically on the areas that need it the most, meaning that we have 35 million people inside the United States that live and are at the poverty line.
00:28:11.000Over 70 million are signed up for Medicaid.
00:28:20.000And so that's one amendment that could help.
00:28:22.000And it would decrease the deficit, secure Medicaid for those that need it the most, and make sure that people that are on there deserve it, not people that are on there because they're too lazy to work.
00:30:20.000Remember we did that whole show back in November, December of how much of our national debt and our public policy has hinged on the most expensive Christmas vacation ever.
00:30:30.000The most expensive Christmas vacation is they'll just decide to go spend a couple trillion bucks because they're tired.
00:30:34.000I want to go home on Christmas vacation.
00:30:37.000Republicans need to start playing hardball here.
00:30:40.000It's time for us to just throw it down and say, you know what, we won this election.
00:31:35.000It's that 10 Republicans are holding the entire conference hostage because they're more sympathetic to the Democrat cause than the Republican cause.
00:31:43.000And look, we got some big, you know, we got some benefits on, I'm going to read some of this.
00:32:58.000The fact that there are 10 Republicans, listen, 10 Republicans that would go vote if we fire the parliamentarian is exactly why I'm here in Kentucky.
00:33:08.000Mitch McConnell is resigning, and he's not resigning, he's not seeking reelection.
00:33:14.000Here is a real pickup opportunity to have someone that would not be one of those 10.
00:33:19.000One of my life's missions at Turning Point Action and our advocacy here in the Charlie Kirk Show is make that 10, 9, 8, 7, 6.
00:33:26.000It doesn't mean we have to agree on everything.
00:33:28.000It's are you in the Republican Party to win?
00:33:31.000Are you here to use power for the good of the country or are you here to protect some sort of antiquated ancestral institution where you can't have water and milk on the Senate floor?
00:34:29.000I mean, one thing, if she was some sort of constitutional provision that our founders put in, Senate parliamentarian is not in the U.S. Constitution.
00:34:37.000It's like handed down from parts of Article 1.
00:36:03.000All of the rules of the Senate, the parliamentary, the filibuster, the indefinite holds, the glacial pace, they all protect the senators from having to deliver on their promises.
00:36:11.000And they have endless excuses for inaction.
00:36:16.000And a lot of these guys are my friends.
00:36:18.000And I think they're on board with me, by the way.
00:36:19.000I think that the old crows, I think Mitch McConnell and the old crow demo, oh, we can't upset the apple cart.
00:36:27.000I'm sorry, the American people voted for that in November.
00:36:29.000So it's either we have an oligarchy of a philosopher king ruling class that is entrenched over all of us that calls the shots, or the American people are in charge.