The Charlie Kirk Show - June 30, 2025


Who Rules: The People or the Parliamentarian?

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Elizabeth McDonough Donald Trump Jr. Mark Wayne Mullen Mitch McConnell Bernie Sanders Harry Reid Joe Biden Andrew Mark Wayne Monde Miranda Rule Michael Knowles Tucker Carlson Chuck Grassley Christine Ohm Ross Ulbricht Byron Donalds Brandon Tatum Benny Johnson James O'Keefe Chuck Schumer and 23 more
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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 Who is this parliamentarian and why is she getting in the way of the big beautiful bill? 1.00
00:00:07.000 So many wins still in the bill, but we have Mark Wayne Mullen as we go back and forth in a not a debate, but it's a little bit of a challenging conversation, but he is a great sport for it.
00:00:17.000 And then I close it with it's very simple.
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00:02:26.000 I have my Louisville slugger here.
00:02:29.000 Do you see that?
00:02:30.000 It will be very helpful around the office.
00:02:35.000 It will be here to help.
00:02:37.000 You see, Andrew never heard of the phrase, the beatings will continue until morale improves.
00:02:41.000 Andrew never heard that.
00:02:43.000 It'll be good for self-defense.
00:02:46.000 I'll tell you, I went to the Louisville slugger factory this weekend.
00:02:48.000 That's just strong stuff.
00:02:50.000 I was disappointed to hear that only 17% of Major League Baseball still use a Louisville slugger.
00:02:54.000 That means that there's something not right about that.
00:02:56.000 That means their product hasn't kept up.
00:02:58.000 However, this is very beautiful.
00:03:00.000 Very beautiful.
00:03:01.000 I'm here in Louisville.
00:03:01.000 I was here for my aunt's memorial.
00:03:03.000 It's just a terrible situation.
00:03:05.000 She passed away back in January, but we had a memorial this weekend.
00:03:10.000 And this morning, we had an incredible event for Nate Morris, who is running for the U.S. Senate to replace the McConnell Mafia.
00:03:17.000 And McConnell is one of the worst U.S. Senators.
00:03:19.000 He's been a disaster, and Nate Morris is going to do a phenomenal job replacing him in Kentucky.
00:03:24.000 We had an amazing event.
00:03:24.000 We'll talk about that.
00:03:25.000 But breaking news over the weekend, it was reported that the Big Beautiful bill passed, but it didn't actually pass.
00:03:31.000 The Big Beautiful Bill passed quorum.
00:03:33.000 So the Senate has all these goofy rules where you have to go through these parliamentarian procedures, and you have basically a voterama.
00:03:40.000 So there are several steps to do this.
00:03:43.000 Number one, you have to do a procedural vote.
00:03:45.000 You have to read the entire bill on the floor.
00:03:48.000 You have up to 20 hours of debate, then a voterama on amendments.
00:03:52.000 And the amendments are going to be out of control.
00:03:54.000 They are going to be just the most goofy things you could possibly imagine.
00:03:57.000 I want to have a pigeon factory in Wyoming.
00:04:00.000 I want to have an estuary for deer in Tennessee, every possible giveaway you can imagine.
00:04:06.000 And then they return the bill to pass the House.
00:04:08.000 Now, the House has to be agreeable to all this.
00:04:12.000 This cloture vote is what gets highlighted a lot because when a bill is getting filibustered, this is the vote it has to clear to not be filibustered.
00:04:21.000 So this is the key.
00:04:23.000 This is the fundamental vote, and it has passed a major hurdle.
00:04:27.000 However, Elizabeth McDonough that we talked about last week, she was up to her games this last weekend. 0.99
00:04:33.000 So here is the Big Beautiful bill as it stands.
00:04:36.000 So the remittance tax was 3%, which is a huge part of the Big Beautiful Bill, which taxes money from America to Mexico and puts a tax on basically illegal immigration.
00:04:47.000 Now, some people will say, well, it weakens the U.S. dollar.
00:04:50.000 That's a fair point.
00:04:51.000 I think it's worth the cost to say that we are going to make a firm stand against the idea that you can come to this country, you can come here illegally, take money, and send it back to your home country. 0.93
00:05:03.000 So the Senate has reduced the remittance tax from 3% to 1%.
00:05:07.000 The House raised the debt ceiling up to $4 trillion.
00:05:11.000 The Senate went up to $5 trillion.
00:05:13.000 The child tax credit went from $2,500 per kid down to $2,200 per kid.
00:05:19.000 The SALT deduction cap, honestly, this was the best thing the Senate did over the weekend.
00:05:23.000 I think SALT is a total scam, and SALT is basically a subsidy of blue states.
00:05:28.000 SALT is state and local tax deductions.
00:05:30.000 A lot of people from California, New York are going to be emailing us because they're big fans of SALT.
00:05:34.000 SALT allows states that are dysfunctional with big pension funds, with unregulated teacher unions, to be able to have these proven failure of policies over periods of time continue.
00:05:47.000 And so this went from a $40,000 permanent SALT deduction in the House to a $10,000 temporary SALT deduction.
00:05:54.000 Now, whether or not we're still going to get Mike Lawler and the SALT caucus to vote for this in the House, that remains to be seen.
00:06:00.000 The senior tax deduction went from $4,000 up to $6,000.
00:06:04.000 Now, here are some of the things that were removed by the Senate parliamentarian.
00:06:08.000 Some of this is goofy, but honestly, some of this is really important.
00:06:11.000 The defunding of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau removed from the parliamentarian.
00:06:15.000 $1.4 billion in pay cuts to the Federal Reserve staff.
00:06:19.000 How is that not budgetary?
00:06:21.000 Can someone explain to me how that is not reconciliation, how that is not spending?
00:06:25.000 What is she judging this based out of?
00:06:28.000 The elimination of the Office of Financial Research?
00:06:31.000 She's keeping that.
00:06:32.000 Notice I'm saying she's keeping as if she's some sort of office holder.
00:06:36.000 That like she's in charge of the legislative agenda of President Trump.
00:06:40.000 So she is literally calling these shots.
00:06:42.000 Now, the Senate can override them. 0.50
00:06:45.000 I think they should entertain that.
00:06:47.000 The acceleration of Medicaid provider tax cuts?
00:06:50.000 Nope.
00:06:51.000 The dissolution of public company accounting oversight board?
00:06:55.000 Nope.
00:06:56.000 The Crenshaw Amendment, which is banning gender-affirming care under Medicaid, that is staying.
00:07:01.000 The restrictions of non-citizens immigrant health care coverage.
00:07:05.000 Now, I think that actually got figured out in some sort of wording, but a ban on illegals getting food stamps, that remains.
00:07:14.000 A repeal of the EPA 2026 vehicle emissions is removed.
00:07:20.000 Mandate for USPS to sell electric vehicles, that got removed.
00:07:25.000 Removal of a silencer regulation under the NFA, that got removed.
00:07:29.000 That one I can understand, that's hardly budgetary.
00:07:32.000 An expansion of Pell Grants for short-term workforce, that got removed.
00:07:36.000 But here are the major wins that got kept.
00:07:39.000 And look, the parliamentarian, Elizabeth McDonough, she just was able to, she just went through and she took like a bat like this and she said, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
00:07:50.000 And that is Elizabeth McDonough right there, who basically was just calling shots over this entire bill. 1.00
00:07:56.000 The Senate can decide to overrule Elizabeth McDonough.
00:08:00.000 Let me be clear.
00:08:01.000 A unelected Senate staffer should not be mentioned on the Charlie Kirk show, ever.
00:08:05.000 That should be just a rule on national radio, on our program.
00:08:08.000 We should not be spending time about Elizabeth McDonough.
00:08:10.000 I bet she has great table manners. 1.00
00:08:11.000 I bet she's very charitable.
00:08:12.000 I bet she's a wonderful person.
00:08:14.000 She's a Harry Reid appointee.
00:08:16.000 She's helped Democrats.
00:08:17.000 She's helped Republicans before stop down big legislation.
00:08:20.000 But at this point, the fact that we are even talking about Elizabeth McDonough as if she's some sort of power source in the Senate, no one voted for her.
00:08:31.000 She was not even Senate confirmed.
00:08:32.000 It's like this weird workaround.
00:08:34.000 She is gumming up the works, and the Senate can override her. 1.00
00:08:37.000 And let me tell you, the Senate should not override the silencer thing.
00:08:40.000 Obviously, I care about that.
00:08:41.000 I'm Super Pro Second Amendment, but that's a reach.
00:08:43.000 That shouldn't have been in the bill.
00:08:44.000 I get that.
00:08:45.000 But this is what should be in there.
00:08:47.000 Ban food stamps for illegal immigrants. 1.00
00:08:50.000 Yes.
00:08:51.000 Override McDonough on banning SNAP benefits for undocumented immigrants, or they say undocumented, for illegals.
00:08:59.000 That is worth the fight.
00:09:01.000 If you want to talk about a place where it's willing to cast away Senate decorum, and we have Mark Wayne Mullen, I'm going to ask him this question directly, that if we are giving food stamps to illegals, that is a great fight to pick to overrule the Senate parliamentarian.
00:09:23.000 And so the components that are kept in the bill are also significant.
00:09:30.000 We keep the Trump tax cuts, $2,200 per child tax cut.
00:09:33.000 We have deductible income for workers up to $25,000 in tip income, up to $12,500 in overtime income.
00:09:40.000 We keep all the border stuff, basically.
00:09:42.000 It's funny, all the new spending.
00:09:45.000 You could spend as much new money as you want in this process.
00:09:48.000 McDonough's fine spending new money, but it's very hard to cut old spending.
00:09:52.000 The bill hits hundreds of things, literally.
00:09:54.000 Hopefully most are good.
00:09:55.000 We're still reading the whole bill.
00:09:56.000 The most key thing about this is that this is a means to deliver on Trump's campaign promise.
00:10:01.000 And in America, people should be able to get what they voted for.
00:10:04.000 We get 1,875 new ICE agents, $2,500 next year, $600 million from our recruiting and hiring support, $1 billion for military deployment in support of border operations, $46.5 billion for a physical border wall.
00:10:21.000 Everybody, I want to take you back to 2016.
00:10:24.000 You know that we could not get any funding or any approval from the U.S. Senate back in 2016, 2017, 2018 because of Mitch McConnell and John McCain for the border wall.
00:10:35.000 We have $46 billion, everybody.
00:10:37.000 The border wall is funded.
00:10:38.000 I know that we don't talk about build the wall much anymore because we have other problems because they're in the wall.
00:10:43.000 The enemy is in the gates.
00:10:44.000 We're back in 2016.
00:10:45.000 They were still outside the gates.
00:10:46.000 The enemy has come into the gates the last couple years under Joe Biden.
00:10:49.000 But the wall is fully funded.
00:10:52.000 The defense spending is still remaining $150 billion in new Department of Defense funding.
00:10:58.000 I support our military.
00:10:59.000 I think that we could probably be a little bit more cost-efficient there, but it is what it is.
00:11:04.000 So basically, we keep the tax cuts.
00:11:06.000 We keep no tax on tips.
00:11:07.000 We kept no tax on tips, right, Danny?
00:11:09.000 Kept no tax on tips, no tax and overtime, and we kept all the border stuff.
00:11:12.000 That's a mandate bill.
00:11:13.000 Now, we got to focus on this no food stamps for illegals.
00:11:17.000 And they're working on the Medicaid stuff.
00:11:18.000 The food stamps for illegals is worth overturning McDonough. 1.00
00:11:23.000 We should not talk about Elizabeth McDonough on this show.
00:11:25.000 No one should know who she is.
00:11:26.000 She should just be a silent actor. 0.99
00:11:27.000 She's a staffer. 1.00
00:11:29.000 And I have confidence they're going to figure this out.
00:11:31.000 But the fact that we cannot restrict foodstamp benefits for illegals because some technocrat Senate staffer says no, I don't know what form of government that is, but that's not a democracy.
00:11:41.000 That's not a republic.
00:11:42.000 Remember, she has exactly as much power as the Senate gives her. 1.00
00:11:45.000 So they can change any rule by majority vote.
00:11:48.000 And I think it's time to override Elizabeth McDonough on that provision in particular.
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00:13:00.000 Joining us now is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen from the great state of Oklahoma.
00:13:03.000 Senator, thank you for taking the time here.
00:13:05.000 You are the official liaison between the House and the Senate.
00:13:08.000 So part of this process is passing stuff that we know the House can pass, and some of this stuff got cut out by the parliamentarian.
00:13:15.000 So Senator, I have a two-part question.
00:13:17.000 Number one, please give us the update.
00:13:19.000 But number two, can you please explain to us, is there any way that we can get like the no food stamps for illegals back in the bill, even though the parliamentarian struck it down?
00:13:28.000 Senator.
00:13:29.000 Yeah, first of all, sorry about the shot.
00:13:31.000 We are running on and off the floor, so I'm stuck down in the basement trying to make this work off of iPhone.
00:13:37.000 So where we're at with the bill, we're going through this Votarama.
00:13:39.000 We'll probably finish up late tonight.
00:13:41.000 I would say just because the dog and pony show, you know, the Democrats want to show that they're fighting, which is just like, you know, I don't know, spoiled child.
00:13:51.000 So they're probably going to go through the prime time shows.
00:13:53.000 Sometimes after the primetime shows go off the air, they'll probably quit their fight around 11 o'clock Eastern time or so.
00:14:00.000 As far as the parliamentarian kicking this stuff out, keep in mind the Byrd Rule, which the Byrd Rule exists to allow us to do reconciliation.
00:14:08.000 Without the Byrd Rule, you can't do reconciliation because all appropriation bills require 60 votes in the Senate, not just a simple majority.
00:14:17.000 And the Byrd Rule specifically requires you to only deal with mandatory spending, not discretionary spending.
00:14:25.000 Discretionary is what we do through the appropriation process.
00:14:27.000 Mandatory spending is Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security.
00:14:30.000 We can't touch Social Security.
00:14:32.000 And it has to deal with taxes.
00:14:34.000 No policy.
00:14:36.000 So what she ruled on the food stamp issue was that that should go into the appropriation bills, such as the farm bill.
00:14:47.000 And the only way to override her is it takes 60 votes.
00:14:50.000 So we can still put the amendment in.
00:14:52.000 Every Republican can vote for it, but we need 60 or six Democrats to vote with us to be able to override the parliamentarian on that.
00:15:00.000 There are some amendments that are moving forward to try to override her, but we won't get a single Democrat to support this.
00:15:05.000 Right.
00:15:06.000 So, but just two questions on that.
00:15:08.000 So you cannot override the parliamentarian on simple majority vote.
00:15:12.000 Is that right?
00:15:12.000 No.
00:15:13.000 Not on this.
00:15:16.000 If it was outside of reconciliation, there are some cases to which you can, but because reconciliation exists only for a funding policy, a procedure through Byrd Rule, you can't.
00:15:30.000 It's very specific.
00:15:32.000 And keep in mind, the House doesn't have to deal with parliamentarian Byrd rules.
00:15:37.000 We do in the Senate because the House can always operate off simple majority.
00:15:40.000 So the Byrd Rule made it possible to do a funding bill by a simple majority in both houses.
00:15:46.000 But can't, and correct me if I'm wrong, Senator, but can't reconciliation rules be changed by majority vote?
00:15:54.000 You can change the rules, but that also takes 60 votes.
00:15:58.000 So it's a way, keep in mind, the Senate was designed for the purpose of the majority rules or the House was.
00:16:07.000 The Senate was designed to slow down and give the minority a voice.
00:16:12.000 That was the way our founding fathers set it up.
00:16:14.000 You know this as good as anybody does.
00:16:16.000 So there's certain rules that are in place and they've been in place forever.
00:16:19.000 And in order to change those rules, it takes, once again, the majority can't simply override the minority in this.
00:16:27.000 It will take 60 votes.
00:16:28.000 In some cases, it actually takes two-thirds.
00:16:31.000 And it's frustrating as heck.
00:16:32.000 Listen, as a former House member, Charlie, I used to get as mad as anybody about it.
00:16:36.000 Just override them.
00:16:37.000 Just override them.
00:16:38.000 Yes, you can override them.
00:16:39.000 You can also, now the leader can remove the parliamentarian.
00:16:42.000 But in this case, is it one of those questions that you should remove the parliamentarian over?
00:16:47.000 Now, keep in mind, that same parliamentarian kept Bernie Sanders from being able to put the minimum wage increase when Biden did reconciliation.
00:16:55.000 This same parliamentarian also kept Bernie Sanders from doing amazing.
00:16:58.000 No, we've been very fair.
00:17:00.000 I think you're right.
00:17:01.000 No, you're right.
00:17:01.000 We've been fair on McDonough.
00:17:03.000 But right now, I think she's out of control.
00:17:05.000 But Senator, we have a minute here, and thank you for being generous for your time.
00:17:09.000 But there is a nuclear option.
00:17:10.000 I just want to make sure I'm clear with the audience.
00:17:12.000 You can go nuclear, right?
00:17:13.000 Which I think is like Rule 5, where we did with Supreme Court Justice.
00:17:16.000 I'm not even saying we should do it.
00:17:18.000 I know that people will lose their mind.
00:17:19.000 But if we're saying that we can't all of a sudden, we have to keep on giving food stamps to illegal aliens. 0.99
00:17:24.000 I mean, come on.
00:17:25.000 That's a fight I think that is worth happening.
00:17:28.000 Yeah.
00:17:28.000 Well, we can change it through the appropriations, through discretionary spending.
00:17:32.000 What the parliamentarian ruled was, is this isn't mandatory spending, meaning that Congress doesn't have to automatically spend the money, which she's absolutely correct on that.
00:17:41.000 But Darren, when we do discretionary spending through the appropriation process, that's one of the 12 bills, she's saying that's where that belongs, and you can have that fight then.
00:17:52.000 When we do the appropriation process, you can go nuclear on some of that stuff and change it from majority to minority, but not through the whole appropriation bill.
00:18:01.000 Because as I repeat myself here, the Senate was designed to give the minority a voice, which is why we were able to keep so much stuff when Nancy Plosi was ruling the House is why we were able to keep so much stuff from moving forward, even though at that time we had Harry Reid running the House.
00:18:18.000 No, that is correct.
00:18:19.000 I respect that.
00:18:20.000 No, trust me, I do respect.
00:18:21.000 And I'm just expressing my frustration and the audience's frustration because it seems arbitrary.
00:18:27.000 And I don't think we should be in the business of defending every decision of an unelected Senate staffer.
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00:19:40.000 I know that you're in between the voting right now and it's kind of chaotic.
00:19:43.000 So, Senator, just humor me.
00:19:44.000 And I know you're doing a great job, and this is the audience's frustration directed towards the system and the compromising of the mandate.
00:19:52.000 But let's say we did remove the parliamentarian with someone that would be more sympathetic, that would be more fair-minded.
00:19:58.000 If we can't do it just via rule, what would that look like?
00:20:01.000 What would happen with some of your other colleagues potentially erupt in anger?
00:20:07.000 Has it ever happened before?
00:20:08.000 Please walk us through that scenario.
00:20:11.000 Well, technically, I'm thinking here, technically you could do it, but you're not guaranteed that the next parliamentarian is going to be any better because they have to interpret what the bird rule is.
00:20:23.000 It's kind of like a judge is supposed to interpret the constitution, but it's funny that you get a 6-3 decision all the time by the court.
00:20:30.000 I mean, either it's constitutional or it's not.
00:20:32.000 I know that's your frustration too.
00:20:34.000 But so you're not guaranteed to get a different outcome from a different parliamentarian.
00:20:40.000 You can just do the best you can.
00:20:41.000 However, if you did do it, the leader could fire the person.
00:20:45.000 They could cause, it could trigger a vote.
00:20:48.000 And I would say you would have at least 10 Republicans that would vote with the Democrats to probably override the leader in that.
00:20:56.000 Unless it was for a legal purpose or a or a job performing purpose, meaning job performing, like she didn't show up to work or something like that.
00:21:07.000 That would be grounds of firing.
00:21:09.000 That'd be the only reason why we wouldn't have to over, a vote couldn't be called override the leader.
00:21:13.000 Got it.
00:21:13.000 Yeah.
00:21:13.000 So that's not shocking to me.
00:21:15.000 It's disappointing. 0.92
00:21:16.000 I think it's rather pathetic, but it's not disappointing. 0.63
00:21:19.000 And I want to get to some of the wins. 0.80
00:21:20.000 I don't want to say in the negative, but I have to, I represent the audience.
00:21:23.000 The audience is on top of this issue.
00:21:25.000 Just to make sure I understand we have to now live with the parliamentarian.
00:21:28.000 Is there any way to change the wording?
00:21:32.000 Because even from people that were once sympathetic to the parliamentarian, I've been getting messages from members, from the administration, and also in the Senate.
00:21:40.000 They think she is reaching way too far here.
00:21:42.000 It's incredibly arbitrary.
00:21:43.000 There's no board.
00:21:44.000 There's no council.
00:21:45.000 There's no committee.
00:21:46.000 It's just her mind that gets in the way of 75 million people that voted. 0.74
00:21:50.000 Something seems really imbalanced there.
00:21:52.000 So is there any way to try to compromise with her?
00:21:55.000 Can you meet with her?
00:21:56.000 Can you negotiate?
00:21:56.000 What's the process here?
00:21:57.000 Is it like you submit your homework and the teacher grades it?
00:22:00.000 Like walk us through some of the sausage making here.
00:22:03.000 Charlie, actually, that's a good example.
00:22:05.000 You do, you can submit your homework and a teacher grades it, except for the parliamentarian, she doesn't just exit out. 0.99
00:22:11.000 She will exit out and then you can meet with her and say, how can I change this to get my grade better?
00:22:17.000 She's a good, she's one of those individuals that will let you do that.
00:22:21.000 So what she'll do is she'll work with the language, explain what your ruling is.
00:22:25.000 I stopped good, by the way.
00:22:27.000 But she'll allow you to change your wording if it's possible.
00:22:31.000 But if it's ruled that this funding specifically is in discretionary spending zone, which is where the SNAP program for the most part is, it's in the farm bill, which is discretionary spending, then it's hard to actually move that into mandatory because you'd have to draw mandatory that it's inside Medicaid or Medicare.
00:22:51.000 And that doesn't fall inside Medicare or Medicaid, the SNAP program.
00:22:55.000 So that's a little more difficult to do.
00:22:57.000 On some of the other programs that she's kicked out, we was able to go in and rewrite them.
00:23:02.000 She will help us with some of the language to write it to make it within the Bird Rule.
00:23:06.000 The problem when you do that, sometimes it changes what your objective is because during the Bird Rule, it has to do with revenue only.
00:23:16.000 It can't do with policy.
00:23:17.000 So anything that does a policy can't be in there.
00:23:19.000 Revenue.
00:23:20.000 So taxes or increasing or decreasing mandatory spending.
00:23:25.000 That's a very, very narrow window we have to fight in.
00:23:28.000 Yeah.
00:23:29.000 So just bring back your conference.
00:23:31.000 No, please finish your thought.
00:23:33.000 Well, I was going to say, I get this as very frustrating.
00:23:35.000 It's very frustrating to me. 0.82
00:23:36.000 And the rules in the Senate are so old, so ridiculous, and need to be reworked.
00:23:41.000 And the reason why they've never been reworked is because when you rework rules, a lot of cases, it actually takes two-thirds of the Senate to actually agree. 0.99
00:23:50.000 So just for instance, I know this is stupid.
00:23:54.000 We can have water and milk on the floor, but you're not allowed to have coffee. 0.98
00:23:58.000 I can go to the floor wearing a tie and a jacket and no shirt, but I have to have long pants on in closed-toe shoes.
00:24:08.000 And these rules have been there, I don't know, before I was there and way before probably Chuck Grassley was there.
00:24:16.000 And you can't get on change.
00:24:18.000 It is the most frustrating thing you've ever seen.
00:24:21.000 All right.
00:24:21.000 Well, here's what we need.
00:24:23.000 I want to get to the victories here.
00:24:24.000 We got four minutes, then I got to let you go vote.
00:24:26.000 We got to have the Trump rules.
00:24:27.000 You're allowed Diet Coke.
00:24:28.000 You have to wear a red tie if you're a Republican.
00:24:31.000 And how about we fix this whole parliamentarian thing?
00:24:33.000 Just bring it back to your conference.
00:24:35.000 You can say, hey, I was just on the Charlie Kirk show.
00:24:36.000 We had a polite conversation.
00:24:38.000 Let me tell you, people are pissed and that we had this wonderful election.
00:24:41.000 We worked so hard.
00:24:42.000 And then some unelected Senate staffer can just say, no, no, no, no.
00:24:44.000 Especially food stamps are illegal.
00:24:46.000 So I think you guys should consider termination.
00:24:48.000 Trent loted it in 2001.
00:24:49.000 I know there was retribution from that, but we are in special times.
00:24:52.000 Now, with that being said, we'll just put a capsule in on that.
00:24:55.000 Senator, go back to your conference and do that.
00:24:56.000 We're going to socialize this.
00:24:58.000 And you've been a good sport with all this.
00:24:59.000 I know you have to interpret all this.
00:25:01.000 Talk about the wins.
00:25:02.000 Four minutes, uninterrupted, Senator.
00:25:03.000 What are the wins we got out of this?
00:25:04.000 Because it's not all bad.
00:25:05.000 In fact, it's overwhelmingly good.
00:25:07.000 It's more than 80% of the pie.
00:25:08.000 Senator, please.
00:25:10.000 We're making tax cuts permanent.
00:25:12.000 We're securing the border.
00:25:14.000 You talked about that previously.
00:25:16.000 We're defending our country by plussing up the DOD.
00:25:20.000 We're making sure that we're energy independent.
00:25:23.000 And at the same time, we're boosting take-home paid to the average household of Ford.
00:25:29.000 Their take-home paid this year compared to last year would be $10,000 higher.
00:25:35.000 We're locking in the economic policies for Trump.
00:25:38.000 We're cutting $1.6 trillion in deficit, which is the largest deficit reduction in any Congress or in the history of Congress, which is massive.
00:25:48.000 And there's a lie out there being told too, Charlie.
00:25:51.000 There's a lie that the Democrats are spreading that a lot of the media has picked up that we're adding $3.3 trillion in deficit.
00:25:57.000 That's a lie.
00:25:58.000 And what they're lying about is the CBO scored this bill two ways.
00:26:02.000 One, they scored it with saying, hey, let the taxes expire.
00:26:06.000 This is what the Democrats said.
00:26:07.000 If we let the taxes expire that we're currently operating on, which is called current policy, what's the deficit on that?
00:26:13.000 Well, since the tax, if we let them expire, it's $4 trillion plus to the Washington, D.C. bureaucrats to spend.
00:26:21.000 If we allow it to expire, the CBO said, well, then you have a $3.3 trillion deficit.
00:26:26.000 But if you let current policy, which is the current taxes that we're currently in, continue to move forward, it actually is a $507 billion surplus.
00:26:36.000 So we're not, it's all about numbers and it's ridiculous numbers, but the media and the left is spreading the lie by saying this is a $3.3 trillion deficit increase.
00:26:48.000 Right.
00:26:48.000 And again, the supercharging of the economy is underrated here.
00:26:52.000 It's about growth, growth, growth, border, border, border.
00:26:56.000 And so, Senator, last question.
00:26:57.000 What is a Votarama and what amendments do you anticipate being added to the bill?
00:27:02.000 Anything?
00:27:03.000 And does that also have to go through a birdbath too?
00:27:06.000 Is the amendments?
00:27:06.000 So really quick, about a minute remaining on those two elements.
00:27:09.000 Yeah, so any amendment has to go through the birdbath. 0.88
00:27:12.000 The parliamentarian will rule if it's within the bird rule or if it's out.
00:27:16.000 If it's out, it's 60 votes.
00:27:17.000 If it's in, it's 51.
00:27:20.000 Voterama means that we vote as long as people can last, which, you know, Chuck Schumer's pretty old.
00:27:25.000 Leader Thune's pretty fit.
00:27:26.000 I think the Republicans can outlast the Democrats on this one.
00:27:29.000 They can put any amendment forward.
00:27:32.000 There's nothing that stops anybody from putting any amendment on the floor.
00:27:36.000 And it's as many as you can get in until you can't keep your eyes open anymore.
00:27:39.000 And it's one of these crazy rules that, once again, the Senate has.
00:27:44.000 As far as getting in there, Rick Scott's got a provision that could possibly change the FMATS back and it'd give you five years.
00:27:53.000 What it does is it goes at some of the Medicare expansion that happened underneath Obamacare.
00:28:00.000 It brings it back in and makes you focus specifically on the areas that need it the most, meaning that we have 35 million people inside the United States that live and are at the poverty line.
00:28:11.000 Over 70 million are signed up for Medicaid.
00:28:15.000 Those numbers don't work.
00:28:16.000 Why do we have so many people gaming the system?
00:28:18.000 It's because of the FMAPs.
00:28:20.000 And so that's one amendment that could help.
00:28:22.000 And it would decrease the deficit, secure Medicaid for those that need it the most, and make sure that people that are on there deserve it, not people that are on there because they're too lazy to work.
00:28:31.000 Senator, you got to go vote.
00:28:32.000 Thanks for your time.
00:28:33.000 And deliver that message back to your conference.
00:28:35.000 Do not dismiss the idea of firing her.
00:28:37.000 Do not dismiss it.
00:28:38.000 And Diet Coke.
00:28:39.000 And Diet Coke.
00:28:40.000 And Red Ties.
00:28:41.000 And Die Coke.
00:28:43.000 Both of those together.
00:28:43.000 That's right.
00:28:44.000 Yes, sir.
00:28:44.000 That's right.
00:28:45.000 See you soon.
00:28:46.000 Thank you.
00:28:47.000 Look, here's the takeaway.
00:28:49.000 And I wanted to have that.
00:28:50.000 I wanted to get all the facts out there for you, the audience, because information is power for you guys.
00:28:54.000 Knowledge is ammunition.
00:28:57.000 The lesson is this.
00:28:58.000 The person who rules you is the person you let rule you. 0.87
00:29:01.000 And right now, the U.S. Senate, they have to start to think a little bit more creatively.
00:29:05.000 They only have a majority because you guys gave them a majority.
00:29:10.000 And if you got to go nuclear, you got to change some rules.
00:29:12.000 By the way, the July 4th deadline that President Trump said, hey, I want it by July 4th.
00:29:16.000 That's a self-imposed deadline.
00:29:18.000 If it has to go another week to have a rule vote, here's what I've learned about the Senate.
00:29:22.000 And I like Mark Wayne Monde.
00:29:23.000 We don't agree on everything, but he's a wrestler.
00:29:25.000 He has energy.
00:29:26.000 Unlike some of these other senators that have just no spunk, no spirit.
00:29:31.000 At least he'll talk.
00:29:33.000 You can get answers out of him.
00:29:34.000 I'll tell you, so many of these senators, they just don't want to work. 0.69
00:29:39.000 You know what the Senate schedule is under regular order?
00:29:41.000 I kid you not.
00:29:42.000 You arrive Tuesday early afternoon and you leave Thursday afternoon.
00:29:48.000 That is their work schedule.
00:29:50.000 Tuesday evening, all day Wednesday, Thursday till afternoon, they fly back to wherever they want to go.
00:29:56.000 They go to Florida, they go back to their constituency.
00:29:58.000 It's literally two and a half days of work.
00:30:01.000 And you guys can, you know, you have this whole conversation where we have to debate.
00:30:04.000 We have to work weekends.
00:30:05.000 I'm sorry.
00:30:05.000 A lot of people in this audience, they are EMTs.
00:30:10.000 They are nurses. 1.00
00:30:11.000 They work Christmas.
00:30:12.000 They work weekends.
00:30:13.000 Congress is like an unheard of concept to work holidays and weekends.
00:30:17.000 They're above that.
00:30:18.000 They're the ruling class. 0.93
00:30:19.000 Don't you understand?
00:30:19.000 They need their Christmas break.
00:30:20.000 Remember we did that whole show back in November, December of how much of our national debt and our public policy has hinged on the most expensive Christmas vacation ever.
00:30:30.000 The most expensive Christmas vacation is they'll just decide to go spend a couple trillion bucks because they're tired.
00:30:34.000 I want to go home on Christmas vacation.
00:30:37.000 Republicans need to start playing hardball here. 1.00
00:30:40.000 It's time for us to just throw it down and say, you know what, we won this election.
00:30:43.000 The deep state is against us.
00:30:45.000 The intel agencies are against us.
00:30:46.000 We finally have cultural energy.
00:30:49.000 We're not going to get in the way of our core promises.
00:30:52.000 And our core promises are very simple, which is illegals should not be getting food stamps. 1.00
00:30:56.000 Hold on a second.
00:30:56.000 They are foreigners in our country receiving government benefits so they can go get SNAP benefits and EBT cards.
00:31:02.000 We're not going to put up with, that is a red line.
00:31:04.000 You want to talk about a red line?
00:31:05.000 I'll draw it with my Louisville slugger.
00:31:07.000 That is a red line.
00:31:09.000 Okay?
00:31:10.000 It's a red line.
00:31:11.000 Very simple.
00:31:12.000 We're not going to put up with that.
00:31:13.000 And you got to fire the parliamentarian fine.
00:31:15.000 Let a bunch of people scream, but no, you might have missed it.
00:31:18.000 Mark Wayne Mullen told you.
00:31:19.000 That's why I really wanted to have that conversation, respectfully.
00:31:21.000 Let's try to flush it out.
00:31:22.000 Let's get to the bottom of it.
00:31:23.000 Let's try to figure it out.
00:31:24.000 He said, well, 10 Republicans would side with Democrats and they would just lose their mind.
00:31:28.000 Ah, now we have the core problem.
00:31:30.000 Now we have revealed the issue.
00:31:33.000 The issue is in front of us.
00:31:35.000 It's that 10 Republicans are holding the entire conference hostage because they're more sympathetic to the Democrat cause than the Republican cause.
00:31:43.000 And look, we got some big, you know, we got some benefits on, I'm going to read some of this.
00:31:46.000 We got some snap eligibility.
00:31:48.000 But it's still the idea that illegals are going to keep on getting food stamps, that should be verboten.
00:31:53.000 We shouldn't put up with it.
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00:32:52.000 This is full circle.
00:32:53.000 Full circle as to why I'm here with my Louisville slugger.
00:32:56.000 Why am I here?
00:32:58.000 The fact that there are 10 Republicans, listen, 10 Republicans that would go vote if we fire the parliamentarian is exactly why I'm here in Kentucky.
00:33:08.000 Mitch McConnell is resigning, and he's not resigning, he's not seeking reelection.
00:33:14.000 Here is a real pickup opportunity to have someone that would not be one of those 10.
00:33:19.000 One of my life's missions at Turning Point Action and our advocacy here in the Charlie Kirk Show is make that 10, 9, 8, 7, 6.
00:33:26.000 It doesn't mean we have to agree on everything.
00:33:28.000 It's are you in the Republican Party to win?
00:33:31.000 Are you here to use power for the good of the country or are you here to protect some sort of antiquated ancestral institution where you can't have water and milk on the Senate floor?
00:33:43.000 What does that even mean?
00:33:46.000 Democrats play to win.
00:33:47.000 You got Letitia James out there who's tried to put Donald Trump in prison for 700 years, taking his business empire away from him. 1.00
00:33:52.000 I'm not even recommending that.
00:33:54.000 You have Fannie Willis.
00:33:56.000 You had Alvin Bragg.
00:33:57.000 You had Jack Smith.
00:33:58.000 They went after us with everything they had.
00:34:00.000 Now, part of that resulted in a backlash.
00:34:02.000 So you got to be a little bit careful with that stuff.
00:34:04.000 But at least it shows that they were playing to win and they ended up losing big time.
00:34:08.000 The Republican Senate is at a crossroads right now.
00:34:12.000 We're even unelected Senate staffers, and I got to just, and I'm going to call Mark Wayne Mullen after this.
00:34:17.000 I'm going to call a couple senators.
00:34:18.000 I say, guys, just slow down a second.
00:34:20.000 Do you hear yourself?
00:34:22.000 You're saying, well, she won't allow this.
00:34:24.000 And she won't allow.
00:34:25.000 What are you talking about?
00:34:26.000 She won't allow.
00:34:27.000 She works for you. 0.95
00:34:29.000 I mean, one thing, if she was some sort of constitutional provision that our founders put in, Senate parliamentarian is not in the U.S. Constitution. 1.00
00:34:37.000 It's like handed down from parts of Article 1.
00:34:40.000 It's read into there.
00:34:41.000 Obviously, it's constitutional, but it's not explicitly in the Constitution.
00:34:45.000 Do you hear yourself?
00:34:47.000 Oh, she's not going to allow this.
00:34:49.000 And I full respect for a lot of the guests that have on the program that go, needless to say, but hold on, back up.
00:34:56.000 You know who should be calling the shots?
00:34:57.000 The American people call the shots.
00:34:59.000 That's the system we have here.
00:35:00.000 We don't have an oligarchy.
00:35:02.000 Who voted for her? 0.99
00:35:04.000 Now, getting mad at the parliamentarian is totally understandable.
00:35:07.000 But the key is this, and that's where I want to now bring you to the next level.
00:35:11.000 Technically, she has no power.
00:35:13.000 So in some ways, the senators, they want you to be mad at the parliamentarian.
00:35:18.000 And here's the game.
00:35:20.000 Some of the senators want you to get really angry at the parliamentarian because in essence, she has no power. 0.88
00:35:25.000 The senators have the power.
00:35:27.000 She is a veneer.
00:35:29.000 She is a very helpful punching bag. 1.00
00:35:33.000 So getting mad at the parliamentarians, like, ah, okay, it's a shield.
00:35:37.000 Who has propped up the shield?
00:35:39.000 Who has funded the shield?
00:35:41.000 Who has voted for the shield?
00:35:43.000 Everything that happens because senators want it to happen.
00:35:46.000 Period.
00:35:47.000 End of story.
00:35:47.000 And you can go nuclear.
00:35:49.000 I know that people might not like it.
00:35:51.000 People might get upset.
00:35:52.000 Oh my goodness.
00:35:53.000 Have we learned anything?
00:35:55.000 All the hysteria from the left is largely unfounded.
00:35:57.000 The world's going to end because of climate change.
00:35:58.000 The world is going to end because Trump is leading us to a war with Iran.
00:36:01.000 All that stuff was nonsense. 1.00
00:36:01.000 It was garbage. 1.00
00:36:03.000 All of the rules of the Senate, the parliamentary, the filibuster, the indefinite holds, the glacial pace, they all protect the senators from having to deliver on their promises. 0.99
00:36:11.000 And they have endless excuses for inaction.
00:36:14.000 Endless.
00:36:16.000 And a lot of these guys are my friends.
00:36:18.000 And I think they're on board with me, by the way.
00:36:19.000 I think that the old crows, I think Mitch McConnell and the old crow demo, oh, we can't upset the apple cart.
00:36:27.000 I'm sorry, the American people voted for that in November.
00:36:29.000 So it's either we have an oligarchy of a philosopher king ruling class that is entrenched over all of us that calls the shots, or the American people are in charge.
00:36:36.000 Which is it?
00:36:37.000 Do you notice how many old institutions get the way of President Trump?
00:36:41.000 The deep state, the administrative state.
00:36:42.000 The courts got the way of Donald Trump.
00:36:44.000 And now the U.S. Senate is getting in the way of the people.
00:36:46.000 It's as if there are all these places that have been built to fortify the defenses against the will of the people.
00:36:51.000 And that's unhealthy and that's wrong.
00:36:53.000 And that's exactly what brought me to Kentucky to endorse Nate Morris to try to then replace Mitch McConnell.
00:36:59.000 Because if we don't actually start replacing Republican primaries and act that the divide is not Republican-Democrat.
00:37:04.000 That's part of the divide.
00:37:05.000 The divide is oligarchy versus representative government.
00:37:08.000 It is citizen versus oligarch.
00:37:11.000 And the U.S. Senate should say, you know what, enough.
00:37:13.000 Thank you.
00:37:14.000 We don't work for you, Ms. McDonough. 0.84
00:37:15.000 We're changing the rules.
00:37:17.000 We're going to make sure illegals don't get public benefits. 1.00
00:37:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:37:20.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:37:23.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.