00:00:39.000It's a great conversation and really honored to be able to travel the country, share this episode with your friends, and enjoy your Sunday.
00:00:45.000I think you'll really like this dialogue that we have here at our event that we did in Asheboro, North Carolina.
00:00:51.000As always, you can email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:01:17.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:40.000Charlie, won't we begin on tell this group how you came to faith?
00:01:43.000Yeah, it was the most important decision I ever made in my life.
00:01:46.000And if there's anyone here that hasn't yet given your life to the Lord, hopefully my story will have some impact on you.
00:01:52.000I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, and it was the most critical decision I made.
00:01:57.000And when I made it, I remember I somewhat understood it, but every single year, my goodness, as I got older, sixth, seventh, eighth grade high school, and now where I am today, it just grows in depth and understanding of what grace is and how, you know, how much God loves us and how we're made in his image.
00:02:14.000And so in fifth grade, I remember my teacher kind of explained the differences of worldview, explained the need, you know, for every single person to reconcile with their creator through Jesus Christ.
00:02:27.000And since then, I have, you know, let's just say since fifth grade, obviously went through high school and then I started Turning Point USA.
00:02:36.000And it's grown to be this amazing movement that it is today.
00:02:40.000And I could tell you, you know, for everyone out there that might be challenging and wrestling, you know, of what you believe and why you believe it, it changes everything you do.
00:02:48.000And you're born new, literally, when you give your life to the Lord.
00:02:52.000And that's really the center of everything we do at Teep USA Faith and the center of everything that I do in my own personal capacity as a radio show host, podcaster, and activist.
00:03:05.000How does that shape your view of America and your approach to America, your faith?
00:03:09.000Yeah, so once you give your life to the Lord, you realize that God's heart for his children is not to live in torment or tyranny or to live in any form of control.
00:03:21.000And when we understand that in the eternal realm, it makes a little bit more sense here in the earthly realm, whether it be God delivering his chosen people from the tyranny of Pharaoh.
00:03:31.000When we talk about civil government, we talk about the type of government we want to form.
00:03:34.000We should always have a preference towards liberty, which is the pursuit of virtue, not just being able to do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.
00:03:40.000And understanding that our country was founded by Christians, 55 out of 56 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Bible-believing church-attending Christians.
00:03:50.000And every single one of the founding fathers, some were, Not every single one was Christian, but almost all of them were, because I think they get misrepresented in a lot of history textbooks.
00:04:00.000But all of them believed in two things and two things that we here tonight believe in, which is that there is a God and we are not him.
00:04:08.000And when you remove those two things from a society, then you're going to have a lot of suffering.
00:04:13.000You know, what drives me as an American patriot, what drives me as someone who's so worried about what's happening to our country is first and foremost, understand that every single person is made in the image of God and that you have rights given to you by your creator, the right to expression, the right to create, the right to pursue virtue.
00:04:31.000And that when we form a government, because government is necessary, because man is not angel, we're not angels, as Madison wrote in Federalist 51, that some form of government must understand that you must protect those that can't protect themselves, and that government is not the administer of rights, but it is the protector of rights.
00:04:49.000This concept is mind-blowing when you look at the governments in world history, that the Americans got it right, and that we are the recipients of the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:04:59.000And there is a massive propaganda campaign right now trying to tell people that are Christians, oh, it doesn't matter if America falls.
00:05:32.000We have the longest-lasting constitutional republic in history because the Constitution was not written for the times.
00:05:38.000It was written to stand the test of time.
00:05:40.000Because people do not change, regardless of Twitter and airplanes, and faster cars and soft drinks, all this stuff.
00:05:48.000In fact, technology makes it easier for us to be able to amplify our sin.
00:05:52.000The founding fathers understood this, which is why the Constitution is more applicable today than any other time, not less applicable as some of the propagandists would say in the media or in academia.
00:06:02.000And so as a Christian, I care about the least of these.
00:06:05.000I care about people that can't protect themselves, especially in the womb.
00:06:09.000I care about truth and biological reality as our children are being medically mutilated in front of our very eyes.
00:06:15.000And look, we have to understand Jesus did not just say things that were true.
00:06:21.000And anytime the truth is under attack in our society at all, that should concern Christians.
00:06:27.000We have to have a radical commitment to honesty in everything that we do.
00:06:32.000And especially when it comes to biological norms of how we teach these things to our children.
00:06:37.000And so it affects everything that I do.
00:06:39.000And I tell people all the time, the most important thing that all of us as Christians can do is give our life to the Lord and spread the gospel.
00:06:46.000The second most important thing is to make sure you can do the first thing.
00:06:50.000Because right now we have an unprecedented persecution of the church, jailing of pastors, the silencing of religious voices.
00:06:58.000And so it all streams from that belief that Jesus is here to, first and foremost, set us free from bondage, set us free from otherwise, would be going to eternal damnation.
00:07:07.000And we should be trying to preserve liberty in every single way possible here in the American context.
00:07:12.000So in light of that, in light of that, what would you say to this people here and even those that are on live stream, why it's so important not to be driven by your feelings, but to be driven by faith and truth?
00:07:45.000And so I hear this a lot where some people say, Charlie, I don't feel good about this candidate, or I don't feel good about this way of going through things.
00:07:56.000And the more important question is, will that person do good or do evil?
00:08:01.000You have to understand that in a representative government of which we have, with consent of the governed, which we have, the candidates or the office holders are conduits to decisions and a reflection of somebody's morality.
00:08:12.000And so you should ask the question, whose morale do you want to be enforced through laws, through customs, and through public policy?
00:08:18.000Do you want it to be the word of God that says God created man and woman and life begins at conception?
00:08:23.000Or that there is no truth and only power and that pleasure should reign throughout the entire world.
00:08:27.000Somebody's morality has to be implemented at some point.
00:08:31.000And so the higher preference on this incredible preference on feelings is exactly how we get the transgender nonsense that is sweeping our country.
00:08:40.000And if there is one issue where I just get passionate about is this satanic demonic movement that is going after our children, the most vulnerable in our society.
00:08:52.000And, you know, I have to say, I think North Carolina was actually ahead of the curve in some ways, passing that bathroom bill.
00:09:02.000And one of the great failures of the conservative movement was not rallying to the defense of people that passed that bathroom bill here in North Carolina, because that was a good piece of legislation.
00:09:13.000And it just got totally torpedoed by bad corporate interests.
00:09:16.000And that was an, if I remember correctly, NCAA pulled out and it was all this other stuff.
00:09:34.000Because we as adults know better and we love those kids so much, we say, your feelings really don't matter.
00:09:39.000We're not going to allow you to go into a surgical room and chop off your parts, which is happening, by the way, tens of thousands of kids across the country.
00:09:46.000They're being administered irreversible sex change hormone therapy, Lupron, things that we don't even give rapists in certain states.
00:09:54.000So feelings are quite honestly very irrelevant when it comes to creating public policy.
00:10:00.000Because everyone can have different feelings in every way.
00:10:32.000You shouldn't make, or I get really jealous.
00:10:35.000Instead, when you make decisions about public policy, your faith, your soul, and your mind should be what drives that.
00:10:41.000But so, for example, if an 11-year-old comes up with a broomstick and the lid of a garbage can and says, I'm King Arthur, you say, no, you're not, actually.
00:10:51.000Or I mean, you might play along, like, okay, that's cute, whatever.
00:10:54.000But at the same time, do all of a sudden you say, yeah, you know what, you get a seat at the roundtable.
00:10:59.000What we're doing now is we're saying, oh, you have a certain feeling because you're 13 years old.
00:11:04.000And what it comes down to is what is true.
00:11:07.000And that is why Christianity is the bedrock of any functioning civilization, okay?
00:11:12.000We take this so for granted as Christians and as Americans.
00:11:16.000Show me any other value system that has been able to create a civilization as powerful, as generous, as benevolent, as productive as Christianity has been able to create in the American context.
00:11:27.000Never before has it happened because civilizations cannot last if they do not have truth as an anchoring principle.
00:11:33.000If the churches remain silent and the pastor is afraid, then all of a sudden, as it says in the scriptures, people did what was ever right, what was ever right in their own eyes.
00:11:42.000AKA moral relativism, subjectivism, which is what's reigning supreme right now in America.
00:11:48.000You just said something, and I want to piggyback off of it, is this idea of America, who is actually in charge.
00:11:56.000So they'll throw Romans 13 on you and go, you have to submit to anything that anybody says because they have a title.
00:12:03.000They're governor, their president, their senator, blah, blah, blah.
00:12:06.000And they ignore the whole rest of the passage.
00:12:48.000Because basically the whole premise I made is that the American church was going to resist these lockdowns, never be allowed to be called non-essential.
00:12:56.000I thought the church was going to be marching in the streets.
00:12:58.000I thought pastors were going to say, you know what?
00:13:00.000No, we're not going to put up with this.
00:13:01.000Meanwhile, you have strip clubs, liquor stores, marijuana clinics, and abortion factories open and Home Depot open.
00:14:00.000And so every pastor that was quoting that, I have to say this lovingly, is that that was the theologically, that was theologically wrong in the American framework because instead it's the mayors, the city council, the governors who should have been submitting to us.
00:14:16.000That's for them in the American context because the people are the sovereign.
00:14:21.000And instead, it was used as an excuse to be able to take Easter away from us, Pentecost away from us, which resulted in the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, and drug-addicted, and psychiatric addicted generation in history, the least religious generation in history.
00:14:35.000I just want to paint a picture of what could have been, and you can't go back and do things, but you can correct error in the future and learn from it.
00:14:42.000Imagine if the American church would have said, we're not doing these lockdowns.
00:14:47.000I think a lot of the misery and suffering from young people that otherwise went to pornography, drugs, suicide, and hopelessness, what if the American church would have said, we're open for business, we're here to heal you, you know, by Jesus Christ, we're here to accept you.
00:15:00.000We're here to show you compassion and love.
00:15:02.000It could have been a revival because you know how I know this?
00:15:04.000The churches that did open, they saw a revival happen in their doors, like this one, like Rob McCoy, like Jack Kibbs, like Steve Smotherman.
00:15:13.000Instead, the churches became the spokesperson for the regime.
00:15:29.000It could have been, in my opinion, this great contrast against the regime of fear and propaganda, where all of a sudden the church could have said, look, make prudent decisions.
00:15:39.000If you're over the age of 65, might not be the best thing to come.
00:15:42.000But if you're 25 and you're alone, sitting in your apartment and you haven't seen anybody for 60 days, how about you come to church and meet somebody and you could find out that there is a God that loves you?
00:15:52.000No, no, instead, we saw the exact opposite, right?
00:15:56.000More fentanyl overdose than ever before, all that sort of stuff.
00:15:58.000And I put that squarely at this: why what I'm talking about tonight, I think, is so critically important and so meaningful: is that if the church doesn't get educated on these topics, then we're very clumsy when all of a sudden the pressure and the crisis comes.
00:16:15.000So the church acting or responding incorrectly in 2020 is because we did not do good enough legwork over the decades prior to educate the American pastors of who's the sovereign, who's actually in charge, what is tyranny.
00:16:29.000And that's where I got it so wrong in 2020.
00:16:32.000You see, as a political guy, I assumed that if you're in charge of a church, you have some idea of what happens when the government tells you to take freedom and liberty away.
00:16:40.000Again, naive, foolish, young, all of that.
00:16:42.000Boy, did I learn my lesson that most people have no idea.
00:16:45.000In fact, the Bible speaks to this, right?
00:16:47.000So the question that some of us should ask is: should people, do people want to be free?
00:17:50.000I think that deep down there is a soul that wants to be free of eternal damnation, but our flesh that sometimes dominates our soul because we allow it to suppresses that.
00:18:02.000And so in 2020, I came to the conclusion: if you do not teach liberty as a value, then all of a sudden people are not going to demand it.
00:18:10.000And so that's where the church has come in.
00:18:12.000If the church is not teaching liberty as a value or freedom as a value, who's going to actually end up demanding that they would rather have free stuff, they live in a state of fear and they'd rather be controlled.
00:18:20.000And so I don't think there's an easy answer.
00:18:24.000But generally, the lesson that I saw is that if you do not teach people what it means to be free and that pursuit of freedom, their result inclination is to sit out, sit at home and do nothing.
00:18:35.000When you think about it, that's the flesh speaking.
00:18:38.000And that's what dominated in the year 2020 and 2021.
00:20:59.000They're fighting for the Constitution.
00:21:00.000When it's more difficult than ever, tomorrow night, I'll be speaking at UNCC Charlotte.
00:21:06.000So that will be quite fun and interesting.
00:21:08.000I'm sure they're already protesting, is what I'm told.
00:21:10.000So, yeah, so I asked the question because it's about the next generation, right?
00:21:14.000And so sometimes when I have extra time on my hands, which is, you know, never, but, you know, we keep a pretty fast pace.
00:21:21.000But I always try to make time sometime during the semester, I've done this for the last two semesters, to set up a card table in the middle of the quad on a college campus and talk to kids and learn and listen and see.
00:21:31.000And some of you have probably seen those videos online, and they could be rather entertaining and fun, but they actually are very informative.
00:21:37.000You could see where a generation is and what they believe morally.
00:21:41.000And this is such a clear call for the church, and I'll tell you why in a second.
00:21:45.000So recently I went to the University of Texas, Austin.
00:22:33.000There is no service to God or to country.
00:22:36.000There is no service to an ideal or to truth or to goodness or beauty.
00:22:39.000In fact, it goes right down to, and they will repeat it time and time again.
00:22:43.000And I have a heart for these people because they're in torment and misery because of this belief, is that I will say, well, you know, what about truth?
00:22:49.000And they say, do you mean your truth or my truth?
00:22:52.000And that right there is exactly what Satan would love to do to an entire generation.
00:23:31.000And so, but it gets down to this question, which is what is true?
00:23:36.000And this is where it drives me nuts when pastors are silent about this.
00:23:40.000Every one of the political issues you see, every one of these things on the news is an outgrowth of whether or not we can get the question of is there truth or is there just power and pleasure and your opinion?
00:24:10.000And other religions are a little bit more broad, right?
00:24:14.000Buddhism, Taoists, oh, you know, you're just kind of a spirit and you reincarnate and there's many ways to get to nirvana or enlightenment.
00:24:25.000And so from a civilizational context, the outgrowth is then, therefore, there are things that are true in harmony in the natural law.
00:24:35.000And the natural law is designed by the Creator for us to be able to flourish.
00:24:38.000If we follow the natural law, we're able to get closer to him and how he wants us to live.
00:24:42.000When we disobey the natural law, we pay a price, okay?
00:24:45.000The best example of the natural law that to explain to a kid is the Ten Commandments, okay?
00:24:49.000Don't steal, don't cheat, don't murder, don't lie, don't covet, honor your mother and father so may live long in the land of which you're in, right?
00:24:55.000Like we could go through the list, but essentially, the natural law is there to actually allow us to be able to break through our sinful nature, hopefully grow closer to him, obviously always falling short, but it's a way to live.
00:25:06.000These students, though, who do they serve?
00:25:08.000Basically, they're saying, I want to only serve myself.
00:25:12.000I'm the most important thing in the world.
00:25:15.000And that's exactly why they're killing themselves more than any other generation in the history of the world.
00:25:20.000I hate to be so cruel and graphic, but if a generation is only thinking about themselves, well, then once things get bad, why not just turn the lights off?
00:25:50.000And therefore, when you have a tough day, if you're tired and you're not feeling the best, you have to remind yourself it's not all about me.
00:26:00.000Now, one of the ways that we've been able to break through this in generations past is like, okay, they're narcissistic when they're young, but once you start to get married and have kids, by definition, you have to start to serve others, right?
00:26:11.000You realize it's really not all about you.
00:26:12.000And we just had a baby girl eight weeks ago, which we're really thrilled about.
00:27:12.000So in light of all of this that's brewing, obviously everyone is always telling us, well, the church, separation of church and state, and the church should not be involved in politics.
00:27:23.000And a pastor should never preach politics, even though we've seen, especially on one side, they will actually get in the pulpit.
00:27:35.000Why is it so important for pastors and church people to get involved and to make a difference in our communities and not to sit on the sideline and just hope it gets better?
00:27:48.000First, the Bible commands us to do it.
00:27:50.000Jeremiah 29, 7, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
00:27:56.000Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, and others were all counselors to secular government for God's purpose.
00:28:03.000So unless you want to remove every single one of those people that cared about the government, cared about the political implications, then you're not on good theological standing for people that say that.
00:28:11.000Zechariah 8, 16 and 17, direct orders demand justice, demand love in my name.
00:28:17.000I'm paraphrasing the scripture, but there's direct orders to what to do politically.
00:28:21.000But I do want to zero in on something you said about separation of church and state.
00:28:24.000It's one of the great big lies in American Christianity.
00:28:28.000Let's first talk about where that came from.
00:28:30.000It was a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention.
00:28:34.000One letter, not in the Federalist Papers, not in the Constitution, not in the Declaration, not in any of our founding documents.
00:28:40.000But what did that letter actually say?
00:28:42.000So the letter was actually a very interesting letter.
00:28:45.000The Danbury Baptist Convention was increasingly worried that the Massachusetts state government was going to come after them.
00:28:52.000So he was saying, don't worry, the government won't come after you because we're keeping them separate.
00:28:59.000It was saying the government won't come after the church.
00:29:02.000Now, that single letter was then misapplied to a series of court decisions made in the 1950s and 60s by the Warren Court and the Burger Court, the two worst courts in the last 100 years in American history, where they took the Ten Commandments away, prayer in schools, all of this, where they misapply this in a court decision saying separation of church and state.
00:29:22.000Again, it's nowhere in our founding documents.
00:30:31.000Since the founding of America, the founders had trust in a constitutional style government because they always thought the church would be the counselor to the king.
00:30:43.000Not the king, but the counselor to the king.
00:30:46.000So that's why they didn't have to build it into any of the outward mechanisms.
00:30:50.000But by the way, every single one of the separation of powers, checks, and balances, independent judiciary, they're all Christian.
00:31:08.000Oh, you mean the executive branch, the judicial branch, the legislative branch?
00:31:11.000And the founding fathers wrote in the Federalist Papers, only God should have the power of those three branches.
00:31:15.000So they made it intentional to separate those three.
00:31:17.000First government in human history ever do that.
00:31:20.000Consent to the governed, right, comes right out of Isaiah as well.
00:31:24.000Independent judiciary comes right out of Leviticus, right?
00:31:26.000So everyone, and by the way, people that, you want to know how awesome the founding fathers were?
00:31:31.000They put Leviticus on the liberty bell, okay?
00:31:34.000Leviticus, not Proverbs, not John, Leviticus, okay?
00:31:39.000Let liberty reign throughout the land that you are in, or proclaim liberty throughout the land of which you are in.
00:31:44.000And so, look, it offends the secular left when I say this.
00:31:48.000I'm going to say it slowly and intentionally and repeatedly.
00:31:52.000America was founded by Christians and was a Christian country once.
00:31:56.000I still think we are as far as our body politic, and we should be unafraid of owning the fact.
00:32:01.000And here's the only question you should ask: the secularist: if America was not Christian, do you think we would have ever founded the country the way we did?
00:32:14.000Only Christians taught by George Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards, Jonathan Mayhew, the Black Robe Regiment, 40,000 open-air sermons that led into 1776.
00:32:24.000Only Christians would have had the courage, would have had the vision to be able to say, We get our rights from God, not King George.
00:32:49.000But I want to lead into something because I think we as Christians, we lose our arguments so many times because we're not willing to tell our stories.
00:32:57.000So my wife's on the front row, when she was carrying her, she was told to abort her.
00:34:26.000And they brag about how Iceland has basically abolished Down syndrome through genetic sex, genetic selective abortion.
00:34:35.000They test for it and they all but mandate it.
00:34:37.000I don't know if they do or not, but they basically have made it such a pressure campaign that these people are a drain on society.
00:34:44.000Now, interestingly enough, I had an atheist come up to an event last week at Kansas City and I asked him, I said, what would the atheist argument against terminating Down syndrome babies be?
00:34:53.000And there is no atheistic argument, right?
00:34:56.000It's actually in their viewpoint, you might as well get rid of them because they're parasites, right?
00:35:04.000Only a Christian country would say, no, those are beautiful gifts from God, worthy of our protection, no matter what, because you could judge a country based on what they do as strength.
00:36:11.000I bet there's, I bet there's, I mean, this is just a guess, tens of thousands of abortions every single year on testing flaws.
00:36:18.000In fact, there was a New York Times article a year and a half ago that said that I might get my terms on prenatal genetic testing actually has a margin of error between 10 to 15 percent, something like that.
00:36:29.000Like, wow, that's a pretty big deal of people that are getting bad information and then making abortion decisions after that.
00:37:04.000We also should be expanding our services and our charitable endeavors to be able to make sure that people are warmly accepted when they have children.
00:37:18.000There's 2 million people on the adoption waiting list in America, and there's a million abortions every single year.
00:37:22.000So there's two times the amount of families that want to adopt right now than abortions that happen every single year.
00:37:28.000There's no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy.
00:37:30.000And by the way, if your pastor remains silent after the reversal of Roe versus Wade, I say this lovingly, you should challenge that pastor.
00:37:37.000And if they do not repent or acknowledge that, you got to find a new pastor because the repeal of Roe versus Wade was one of the great victories for the natural law.
00:37:48.000And just to give you an example, 30,000 babies in Texas since the repeal of Roe versus Wade are living today.
00:37:55.000Thanks to the repeal of Roe versus Wade.
00:38:07.000And in our rural areas, we're still pretty fortunate.
00:38:09.000Our elementary, middle, and high school are still doing a great job.
00:38:13.000We have some strong, moral, godly teachers, educators, even our, well, we got a few woke ones, but I mean, it's not often.
00:38:23.000Our community college does an incredible job in preparing many to go right into the workforce and vocational specialized skills.
00:38:33.000However, the national university system is pretty much bankrupt morally.
00:38:40.000And so we send our kids there because we have convinced everybody you got to have this university degree.
00:38:47.000And then they come back to us a lot of times against everything we've taught.
00:38:52.000So as a very, young man that's willing to go on these college campuses and converse with them and challenge and debate these universities, what would you say to the teachers and administrators on our rural areas that still are strong Christians and still strong morals, even if they aren't Christians, still have strong morality.
00:39:14.000What would you say to these teachers, homeschool teachers, private school, our charter schools?
00:39:20.000What would you say to them as it relates to what you're seeing coming down the pipe from a national level?
00:39:25.000Well, first, God bless you for being a teacher and standing for truth.
00:39:57.000If you want to be a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant, graduate as quickly as possible and get your degree and hope they don't indoctrinate you.
00:40:03.000But the vast majority of people that go into college, the numbers show us this.
00:40:06.000First of this, 41% of people that go to college drop out.
00:40:10.000Now, boy, if you and I went out into the restaurant locally here, I said, and I asked you how it was, she said, food is great, but you had a 41% chance getting food poisoning.
00:40:18.000I'd say, yeah, I don't think that restaurant should remain open.
00:40:24.00041% of people that enter are poor with no degree after they enroll and they spend all that money and all that time and all of that.
00:40:31.000So that should be the first wake-up call.
00:40:33.000The second wake-up call is that the vast majority of people that, if they end up graduating at all, and if they get a job, they find jobs that do not require college degrees at all.
00:40:43.000They'll end up actually going into jobs that have no requirement for a college degree.
00:40:47.000And by the way, all of that to say, and I wrote a whole book on this called The College Scam.
00:40:51.000I think we have some copies out in the lobby.
00:40:54.000It's the most detailed book I've ever written.
00:42:44.000But you must be realistic that when you send your kid maybe to Duke or you send your kid to Wake Forest or you send your kid to App State or you send your kid to NC State, that you're playing Russian roulette with their values and that they might come back with some completely different worldview that very well might be irreversible.
00:43:03.000And that you say, well, Charlie, then what?
00:43:06.000Because my kid needs to have a flourishing career.
00:43:08.000Well, that's why the financial argument I make in the book is so important, right?
00:43:11.000Which is that you would be shocked to learn they actually don't need that piece of paper as much as you think they need that piece of paper, okay?
00:43:25.000We need more people in the muscular class in our country and less people studying North African lesbian poetry and learning about and learning about whatever it is they learn in postmodern philosophy.
00:44:09.000If they want to be a doctor or a lawyer, whatever, they have a passion for something, then find them a school that can be cost affordable, hopefully not as woke.
00:44:22.000If you have a 17 or 18 year old that was like how I was in high school, that didn't get into their dream school and they don't have a good reason to go.
00:44:57.000It is evil the way we treat people that don't go to college.
00:45:00.000We treat them as dumb and stupid and that they're not as enlightened.
00:45:04.000And if there's one thing I could do, I would love to be just one person where they can say, well, Charlie didn't go and he's done something in his life.
00:45:10.000I would love to be a stand-in in that way and hopefully a role model for some kid out there that has a dream to start a business or to do something because I still get it.
00:45:17.000People come up and say, well, Charlie, when are you going to go back to school?
00:45:19.000And you could really accomplish something in your life.
00:45:31.000But it really is a structural problem in our country.
00:45:34.000I'll close with this kind of topic on this, which is one of the reasons America is increasingly less free, more depressed, less religious, less Christian, and less happy in all these regards is because of college.
00:45:45.000Let me say something from a church perspective.
00:45:47.000And everybody in here may, you pastors may already be doing it.
00:45:51.000But I got convicted, I think it was two years ago.
00:46:39.000When the defund the police hit, and the accusation was that our police officers were hunting black individuals and killing people, we had some people here protesting and made our police officers stay up, you know, and not be on their routine and away from their families.
00:46:57.000And so I would ask people this question.
00:47:00.000When was the last time in Asheboro a policeman shot a black man?
00:47:11.000Going back 60 years, and the answer is zero.
00:47:15.000But we're driven by the national narrative, and nobody asks our narrative in our local area.
00:47:22.000So what would you say to rural America about not getting caught up in these national brouhahas that don't mean anything and bringing it into our and then punishing our own policemen and making them feel like they're not worthy in other areas?
00:47:37.000Well, I might get you in trouble for this, so I apologize in advance, but okay, good.
00:48:20.000It exists institutionally in more ways than one.
00:48:23.000Okay, so let me ask, answer one part of it, which is really interesting.
00:48:27.000So there was a public opinion poll where they asked, how many unarmed black men do you think are killed by police nationally every single year?
00:48:37.000And by the police, you know, by the people that self-identify as liberal would say, oh, 1,000, 1,800, 1,500, 2,000, 5,000, right?
00:48:55.000And by the way, out of those 12 examples, some are pretty questionable.
00:48:58.000Like they were trying to run over a police officer in their car.
00:49:01.000They were grabbing for the weapon, right?
00:49:03.000They had something that looked identical to a gun.
00:49:05.000It was a toy gun, but all sorts of stuff.
00:49:07.000So you're talking, let's just pretend the number is 15.
00:49:10.000So with 300 million police encounters in our country every single year, we're tearing ourselves apart for 15 incidents.
00:49:18.000How often do you hear that on television?
00:49:20.000No, it's because, and this is one of my big things with churches and pastors, is not only did we lock down in 2020, but once Floyd de Palooza started and we decided to burn everything down and we decided to rip ourselves apart under the bitter lie from the pit of hell that America is systemically racist, when in reality, we're the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:49:38.000And we are the best to each other, regardless of race, and we get no credit for that.
00:50:05.000How about you just spend like, I don't know, half hour on like how black fathers need to get back in the home before you start preaching to white people about racial reconciliation?
00:50:14.000Like, oh, no, well, we're really institutionally racist and we don't realize it.
00:50:42.000I don't care about your race and no pastor should either.
00:50:47.000So the narrative that we come up with should be the one that is true, not the one that is being driven by an evil regime that says, hey, okay.
00:50:55.000Let's do a little wokeism before we quit.
00:52:34.000And why and how should we stand up to these evils?
00:52:37.000Yeah, I mean, this is the whole ballgame.
00:52:39.000If there's kind of one topic we've created a movement against, and I think that we're more better positioned to talk about, it's this topic.
00:53:27.000They defected from Germany and came to America.
00:53:29.000One of them, the leader of this school, was a guy by the name of Herbert Marcuse, came to America, and he wanted to start a communist revolution here in America.
00:53:39.000But he started to look and saw in America that there was a flourishing middle class, that actually normal everyday people were getting their, they were seeing their lives and their incomes improve over a period of time, and that communism and Marxism kind of falls flat because people's standard of living was increasing.
00:53:57.000He also noted, by the way, that the American pastors weren't putting up with communism.
00:54:29.000Men are really on top, just like the business owners are, and then women are being suppressed or oppressed, right?
00:54:35.000But then the one that really kind of caught fire was he said, we're going to start a Marxist revolution, not with the women that might work, not with business owners, no, but with blacks.
00:54:45.000And he said, the way we're going to do this is we're going to bring back all the racial tension and argue that there is a framework of which the entire society is designed, and it's not the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, but it's white versus black.
00:55:00.000And that whether no matter how hard you try, there is systemic and institutional racism in every corner, all throughout society, and there's nothing you could do to get rid of it except be enlightened or realize awokened, awoke to the systemic injustices around you.
00:55:34.000Herbert Marcuse writes about how everyone has their own truth, how there is no truth, there is no agreed upon principles for society, all this stuff.
00:55:40.000He had a couple disciples, Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida.
00:55:43.000Anyway, this thing was a fringe ideology in the universities, okay?
00:55:47.000Then Derek Bell writes intro to critical race theory in the 1990s.
00:55:51.000And then basically this populated up very slowly and quietly into the highest levels of the academy, where then in the early 2000s, post-Occupy Wall Street, because they tried a Marxist revolution in this country with Occupy Wall Street, and it failed terribly.
00:56:06.000Remember, Occupy Wall Street, you know, tax the rich, take money away.
00:56:33.000So this movement that started in the 60s by Herbert Marcuse was implemented immediately.
00:56:38.000And white America was either silent and afraid or complicit and partners in it, where they're like, well, I don't want to be one of the non-white allies in this.
00:56:48.000And so this idea, let me just define terms.
00:56:51.000If you guys want to know the best way to define critical race theory, it's this.
00:56:54.000You're going to find all your friends.
00:56:55.000Critical race theory is calling everything racist until you control it.
00:57:13.000Now, this idea of wokeism has now become kind of a basket catch-all term for the other kind of tributary cousins of Herbert Marcuse's 1960s insidious ideology of since we now think that power dynamics exist everywhere and anyone can be anything they want, it now applies to the transgender stuff.
00:57:32.000It applies to all this different nonsense where you can, as a man, become pregnant.
00:57:38.000And the vast majority of people I talk to on college campuses, if I ask them the question, do you believe men menstruate?
00:58:03.000And they're seizing on white guilt and this unnecessary.
00:58:07.000And by the way, this is a black economist who came up with the term white guilt, Shelby Steele, who said there's been more damage done in America of white America thinking they have to apologize to blacks and give all this money for no reason whatsoever.
00:58:21.000Now, let me be clear: if there's a racist here tonight and you've been awful, you should apologize, find, you know, repent to Jesus Christ and make it right.
00:58:28.000But if you just happen to be a white person going about your business, you have nothing to apologize for.
00:59:28.000They have it all throughout medicine where they say, well, we have to triage based on the color of your skin because we have to atone for the sins of yesterday.
00:59:36.000As the archbishop of wokeism, CRT, would say, Ibram X. Kendi, this is his exact quote.
00:59:42.000We need discrimination today to fix the discrimination of yesterday.
00:59:46.000That is Ibram X. Kendi, one of the thought leaders of the critical race theory movement.
00:59:53.000And then, yes, you have Joe Biden coming out and sitting with that man who thinks he's a woman, Dylan Mulvaney, saying that it is wrong that states want to prevent children from chemically castrating themselves and medically mutilating themselves.
01:00:08.000And yeah, let me kind of talk about the church.
01:00:11.000I mean, yeah, the church is largely silent on this.
01:00:13.000How many churches are speaking about it?
01:01:04.000And I just want to re-emphasize something I said earlier, then we'll go to the question here: which is, you realize that the most beautiful things in life are about service and duty.
01:01:32.000As a young person in the workforce, how do we make a difference with the beliefs that we have while most people around us believe differently, but also still being respectful?
01:03:16.000I wanted to start it off by saying when you came to Asheboro over a year ago, you inspired me to look into what and why I believe what I believe.
01:03:42.000One of the questions, one of the questions, I believe you spoke a little bit ago, spoke about a little bit ago, was what does he or she believe constitutes truth?
01:03:54.000So what do you believe constitutes truth?
01:04:03.000There's a phenomenal author that I don't think gets enough love in Protestant circles.
01:04:08.000He was a Catholic, Thomas Aquinas, who is probably one of the most influential thought leaders ever on how to use reason, which he believed was a gift from the Lord, to be able to discover God's harmonic natural law.
01:04:20.000He wrote a book called the Summa Theologica, which basically he argued that through reason, we could discover God's fingerprints everywhere in society.
01:04:28.000And Aquinas, he wrote so deeply and beautifully about what he called the proofs of God, right?
01:04:34.000And his argument, I'm paraphrasing, is he said, no reasonable person could not believe in God, basically, right?
01:04:39.000And so I believe in the natural law, and the natural law anchors you to reality.
01:04:44.000For example, if you do not have an agreed upon, let's say, societal norm of where North is or what South is, then how are you able to navigate yourself?
01:04:58.000If everyone had their own opinion of North, how would you even find your destination, right?
01:05:02.000And so as Christians, I would even go as far to say that we believe there is a way you ought to live, okay?
01:05:09.000And you ought to live in harmony with God's commands.
01:05:12.000And even more so, we believe God loves you so much that he has laid forward that way to live.
01:05:17.000And by the way, every study shows that when you get married and you're loyal to your spouse, you're a happier person and you live a better life than if someone who engages in hookup culture.
01:05:27.000It's as if God loves us so much, the natural law allows us to be free from the bondage of sin.
01:05:34.000And so the truth are things, those are just kind of some things in truth.
01:05:37.000So there's biological truth, there's truth in physics, there's truth in all these different ways.
01:05:41.000But the biggest truth is that which God is real and we are not him.
01:05:45.000God sent his son, who was God, three-part God in the Trinity, to give his life for us that we might live forever.
01:05:51.000And I just want to say, if there's any non-Christians here tonight, thank you guys for being here.
01:05:57.000That is a way of looking at God that no other religion would ever dare articulate.
01:06:03.000To say that God would take fleshly form, that he loved you so much to take the form of the broken, to walk alongside of you, to be beaten and broken and persecuted, and then conquer the thing that keeps us anxious every single day, which is death, and to conquer that so that we may live forever.
01:06:21.000Said differently, almost every other religion is us trying to grow closer to us trying to go to God.
01:07:07.000CRT is essentially looking at how, throughout history, we have had issues with embedding certain aspects of racism in the law.
01:07:21.000One example would be, I know a lot of people made fun of when they said that, you know, roads are racist, but that was taken out of context.
01:07:28.000Essentially, what it was saying was in that specific area, there were certain bridges that were put in place on purpose because the predominant method of transporting the black population had to do with buses.
01:07:41.000However, they made the bridges too low for the buses to actually go under.
01:09:10.000If you read Intro to Critical Race Theory by Derek Bell, he talks about this extensively, about restructuring society to be able to fit the marginalized class at the expense of what he would consider to be the oppressor class.
01:09:22.000Happy to talk to you at length about it.
01:09:33.000Just for the regular citizen who votes at every election and who has had their eyes open to election fraud.
01:09:45.000And we just feel like that there's kind of nothing we can do about it.
01:09:49.000If you have anything to speak about that, other than voting every single election and showing our ID and voting on election day, we'd just love to hear your thoughts on that.
01:09:59.000Yeah, look, so first of all, I love the heart you have for the integrity of our elections.
01:10:29.000We unconstitutionally administered the Pennsylvania election.
01:10:32.000Georgia went from 248,000 mail-in ballots to 1.2 million mail-in ballots.
01:10:37.000Mark Zuckerberg put in $400 million into the 2020 election campaign.
01:10:43.000In the month of October, we were not allowed to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop on any social media channel that now Mark Zuckerberg has told us the FBI pressured, and we're supposed to acknowledge everything as perfectly fine and fair.
01:10:54.000In an election, by the way, that was decided by about 30,000 votes in Pennsylvania and 12,000 votes in Georgia and 9,000 votes in Arizona.
01:11:02.000If you cut those numbers in half and those people would have flipped their vote, you're talking about then 15,000, 5,000, and 4,500.
01:11:37.000I instead want to get back to the most provable and the most honest and the transparent issue, right?
01:11:42.000Which is mass mail-in voting that goes to people that are no longer on the voting rolls with signature verifications that are relaxed.
01:11:49.000So here's the thing: you got to do what you possibly can to be a poll worker, election judge, change the local laws, try to stop this absentee mail-in battling surge.
01:11:58.000I could tell you, coming from the American West, Washington, Oregon, and Colorado, do you know this in those three states?
01:12:11.000They're trying to bring it to every single state.
01:12:13.000So we have to play defense against that, right?
01:12:16.000And then finally, be the change you want to see in the world, that kind of cliche line, which is vote the way that you think is the most secure.
01:12:50.000I think North Carolina, on a state and local level, should do the following: no more voting month, get rid of no excuse absentee balloting.
01:12:56.000Obviously, I know you guys have had many court challenges on the voter ID thing.
01:13:00.000It's just been not, I don't even know where it stands, honestly.
01:13:03.000It's approved, it's not approved, it's proved.
01:13:53.000I'm speaking as a small business owner coming from Raleigh.
01:13:57.000One of the, as part of the circle of other small business owners that have Christian values, my question is with the move that we're seeing is a lot of Silicon Valley is moving to Raleigh.
01:14:09.000We're seeing a lot more liberal values being pushed into Raleigh.
01:14:12.000As far as someone who is a Christian business owner, and how do we not just like compete or survive in this kind of climate, but still hold fast to our Christian values and be able to do it without compromise in this kind of climate?
01:14:31.000I think that one of the downsides of the aggressive business recruitment in this state has been you're bringing in a lot of values that are changing the body politic of North Carolina.
01:14:41.000And I think it's great for economic growth.
01:14:42.000I think it's great the Research Triangle is one of the wealthiest places in the country, but it comes at a cost, comes at a price, where all of a sudden you have values that are completely distant and foreign to that of traditional North Carolina values.
01:14:53.000Look, as a small business owner, I'm a big believer that the sooner you own your values on your sleeve, the better.
01:15:06.000Yeah, and so you have to make a choice, right?
01:15:08.000So I'm not here to give you advice, but I would give you just maybe something to think about and pray about and fast about and really mull over, which is if you own your values early, do you think how big of a, you know, how big of a hit would that be for your business?
01:15:22.000Honestly, I think we're entering a phase where people would love a marketing web design person that is an outspoken Christian and conservative, and I think you would be rewarded for that.
01:15:33.000And so it's just something to think about, especially kind of in this new economy that we are in, where JP Morgan is kicking people out for having accounts and all this sort of stuff that's happening.
01:15:43.000So look, I just want to thank you for even asking the question and thinking about that.
01:15:48.000But I think that we as Christians should not compartmentalize our Christianity.
01:15:54.000And so my encouragement to business owners is: look, be prudent.
01:15:58.000You know, you obviously have to put food on the table and make payroll.
01:16:01.000But if it's appropriate, if you're in the early stages of your business, be like, look, we're a Christian conservative owned family business.
01:16:06.000Just that statement alone, you know, I think would do a lot of good.
01:16:10.000And then you're freer to then all of a sudden, when all these things come, you don't have to all of a sudden act like with your clients, you're somebody that you aren't.
01:16:16.000I'm not one to try to, you know, disenfranchise you because I could imagine in the research triangle, that would be a tough thing to say at times.
01:17:07.000Yeah, thank you, Charlie, for being here.
01:17:09.000We haven't talked about foreign affairs and things like that.
01:17:11.000So there's many other things we could speak about, but you talk a lot about the Great Reset.
01:17:17.000Could you just speak to what's going on in Ukraine and in China and in relationship to the Great Reset and why America is making itself intentionally weak on purpose to be a part of that and what we can do to stand against it?
01:17:31.000I have a heterodox view on Ukraine, so I don't mean to offend anybody, but I think it's insane we're sending $75 billion to Ukraine while we can't put food on the table for our families and our border is wide open.
01:17:46.000I've said that publicly and repeatedly.
01:17:48.000However, a country that is in decline needs to be very prudent about where you spend your money and what conflicts you decide to get involved in.
01:17:55.000And this is a very, very murky conflict, okay?
01:17:58.000This is not the good versus evil thing that the media is saying.
01:18:01.000Again, I'm not saying that Putin is great or Russia is great or Russia was right to invade, but there's a lot of foreign policy murkiness that's involved with Zelensky coming into power.
01:18:12.000And then Zelensky goes on television demanding more money from us while our border is wide open and 2 million people have invaded us over the last couple of years.
01:18:20.000I find that to be outrageous, honestly, and I don't support it at all.
01:18:23.000And I wish our leaders were more focused on resolving the conflict than escalating the conflict.
01:18:29.000And it is not an over-exaggeration that we might now be in a hot war with a nuclear armed power.
01:18:34.000Do I think we're going to nuclear war?
01:18:41.000I mean, and this is what drives me nuts.
01:18:43.000And honestly, some of your people on the right here in your state have been so wrong on this topic.
01:18:48.000I got to tell you, I could not disagree more because I actually think that American citizens should come first.
01:18:53.000I know it's a radical belief because usually people that, you know, even on the right, think that, you know, foreign wars matter more than American kids, which I'm not exactly really sure how that one works.
01:19:05.000Imagine if we spent $75 billion on mental health in the last year instead of going to Ukraine.
01:19:09.000Or how about $75 billion on the southern border?
01:19:47.000We could have brokered peace and then we could have told Russia, knock it off, but you supply the oil and we're going to crush China together.
01:19:53.000It takes a very short-sighted view of history to act as if you can defeat a major power while also being against Russia.
01:20:31.000Okay, 130 million people, nuclear weapons, and a frenetic leader with a lot of oil and natural gas.
01:20:37.000Okay, we could use that strategically if our leaders were smart, like I think our prior administration was, to crush the Chinese Communist Party.
01:20:43.000Instead, we have this proxy war on the Virgin Nuclear War.
01:21:29.000We need more pastors that are speaking.
01:21:32.000There are a lot of believers in a lot of churches throughout the country whose pastors have chosen to preach the gospel and stay out of politics for a wide variety of reasons.
01:21:47.000And I'm a Liberty University graduate.
01:21:53.000And so it's in my blood, but I'm thinking now with where we are and with what we're going through, how do we empower the believers in a lot of these churches who are desperately looking for, we want to get involved, but we don't know where and we don't know how.
01:22:13.000And we're not really getting led from the pulpit.
01:22:16.000Do you have anything that we can do different?
01:22:19.000I mean, that's one of the reasons why we started TPUSA Faith.
01:23:15.000Every church that's speaking out boldly is seeing their tithes, their offerings, their attendance increase, and they're seeing them be blessed more than ever before.
01:23:39.000Now, if you have a courageous pastor out here, if this is not your home church and you have a courageous pastor, you should thank them and encourage them because you're going to get more of what is encouraged.
01:25:38.000Five years later, with Turning Point USA reaching millions of people on social media, having over 250 people on staff, TPUSA Faith, 27% of young people have a liberal worldview.
01:27:14.000Thank you so much for coming out tonight.
01:27:16.000My question is, I'm as extreme pro-life as you can possibly be.
01:27:21.000But how can I encourage people to also kind of view what's going on without and be active in the pro-light movement without shoving the vulgar disgustingness down their throat?
01:28:19.000We believe human beings are made in the image of God, not an accident of millions of years of evolution, and therefore necessary of legal protection, of protection from society in every way, shape, or form, right?
01:28:30.000And so it's a question, I think, of also showing that we have a heart for people, right?
01:28:35.000There's a miscategorization, I think, from the left where they say, oh, you're only pro-birth.
01:29:00.000I want a closed border so that girls are not sex trafficked into our country.
01:29:05.000I want police on our streets so that kids are not shot on the way to school.
01:29:08.000I want a free market economy so people get rich and have dignity at work and are able to see their incomes go up and I have to go on government benefits, right?
01:29:16.000I want an independent judiciary so that rights given by God are protected and that government tyranny doesn't reign.
01:29:20.000Every policy we have, everybody, is pro-life.
01:29:23.000Do not allow them to convince you of anything else.
01:29:32.000And thank you, Charlie, for allowing me to do that.
01:29:35.000I have a question, a two-part question for you.
01:29:39.000I try to articulate it as sharply as I can.
01:29:42.000A lot of Christian people I've heard in my past say they're not voting at all because they don't like either candidate.
01:29:52.000And what would your message be to us as a church and to the Christian community about the importance of voting more on maybe issue than it is the personality of the candidate?
01:30:54.000But the point is this: the story of Samson.
01:30:57.000Samson is elevated in the book of Hebrews as being someone that we celebrate and we revere because he was willing to fight when other people weren't.
01:31:04.000And so I try to tell people: look, would I appoint Donald Trump to be on the elder board of this beautiful church?
01:32:17.000He was called a drunk and a sleaze and a slob.
01:32:20.000And as Churchill entered Buckingham Palace for the prime minister, I'm sorry, when he went in to go become prime minister and meet with the then queen, the then queen, he knew he felt the weight of the world coming upon his shoulders because he knew that he was going to be the next prime minister.
01:32:33.000But he said, I slept like a baby that night.
01:32:35.000He said, finally, someone capable of the job is now in charge.
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01:33:56.000I know a lot of you are probably saying, Charlie, I've done everything that's been asked of me.