The Charlie Kirk Show - Whoopi Says "Whoops" — How to Respond to a Non-Apology

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 What is a recession?

00:00:02.000 We asked that question with the latest news that shows we are indeed in a recession.

00:00:07.000 And I ask for your thoughts on the whoopee Goldberg saga as now she now apologizes.

00:00:12.000 It just never ends.

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00:00:25.000 Here we go.

00:00:26.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:28.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:30.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

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00:00:37.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:38.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:39.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

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00:01:08.000 We are going to continue into the fake Nazi scandal that happened outside of Turning Point USA's conference.

00:01:14.000 Keep diving into it because we're going to do the research the media does not do.

00:01:19.000 We're going to talk about how the media is trying their best to make monkeypox seem like an emergency you should care about.

00:01:25.000 But first, we have to get some breaking news today.

00:01:28.000 We are officially in a recession.

00:01:30.000 Now, I'm not here to fearmonger.

00:01:32.000 I'm not here to make you worried.

00:01:35.000 I'm not here to try to make you overly concerned.

00:01:39.000 But what I am going to tell you is that we are in the worst possible combination of economic circumstances.

00:01:48.000 We have a recession, which means negative GDP growth for two consecutive quarters, which is, by the way, has always been the definition of a recession until now Joe Biden comes along.

00:01:56.000 They say, well, it's questionable whether they're not going to recession.

00:01:57.000 We're in a recession.

00:01:59.000 And then we have rising prices.

00:02:02.000 So we called this stagflation during Jimmy Carter.

00:02:06.000 It could be best summarized, and this is a term we started as crashflation.

00:02:11.000 You have the stock market crashing, you have economic indication going down and indicators going down, and you have prices going up.

00:02:19.000 Now, the reason this is so concerning is under typical economic circumstances, you would be able to release more money from the Federal Reserve, aka lowering interest rates, making it easier to borrow, so that people would then spend more money and get you out of the recession.

00:02:34.000 The problem is that we already did that with loose monetary measures, Republicans that are addicted to deficit spending, $7 trillion of unnecessary spending.

00:02:44.000 Let me say that again.

00:02:45.000 $7 trillion of unnecessary spending spent by Republicans and Democrats over the last two years.

00:02:51.000 And the economy has officially overheated.

00:02:54.000 The sugar high has come home.

00:02:57.000 We are now in a free fall economic collapse.

00:03:02.000 And not only is the American purchasing power going down, but the growth itself is going to start to decrease.

00:03:09.000 Now, I hope I am wrong.

00:03:10.000 And let me be very clear.

00:03:12.000 I am not wishing this.

00:03:14.000 Unlike the left, who they cheer for recessions when Republicans are in office, I want the economy to do well.

00:03:20.000 I don't care if Joe Biden's in office.

00:03:22.000 I don't care if Obama's in office.

00:03:24.000 I do not want the suffering of my fellow countrymen.

00:03:26.000 And you believe the same.

00:03:27.000 The left, they don't care about that.

00:03:29.000 All they care about is power.

00:03:31.000 But I will say that just bluntly and plainly, there is going to be suffering.

00:03:38.000 Small businesses are going to go under.

00:03:39.000 Overly inflated valuations are going to crumble.

00:03:44.000 We are now heading towards a sequence of economic decisions of which many of you, young people, many students out there that are watching have never lived through.

00:03:54.000 Now, this will be completely different, in my personal opinion, than the 2008 financial crisis.

00:03:59.000 The 2008 financial crisis was sudden.

00:04:02.000 It was a shock to the system.

00:04:04.000 I believe this will be a slow-motion car crash, a series of bad news day after day, month after month, when after six or nine months, you say, how the heck did we end up here?

00:04:16.000 Former economic advisor Larry Summers says there's a greater risk of stagflation, which we call crashflation, for some number of years than the market is currently discounting.

00:04:26.000 Someone asked me the other day, Charlie, how long is this going to take?

00:04:28.000 I said it could take two to three years.

00:04:30.000 You don't spend $7 trillion that you do not have on top of the $4.4 trillion we're already spending from the federal government, lock down an entire society, inject it back into the country, and act as if everything's going to be fine.

00:04:43.000 You want to know why Bill Gates is buying farmland?

00:04:46.000 Because he knows that when things fall apart, it's the only thing you're going to have left.

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00:04:53.000 I think there's also a greater risk of stagflation and this episode being with us for some number of years than the market is currently discounting.

00:05:07.000 And what is Joe Biden's response?

00:05:08.000 Cut 31 says, we're not going to be a recession in my view.

00:05:12.000 Again, they're all just trading terms.

00:05:14.000 We are in a recession, technically.

00:05:16.000 We are in a recession, literally.

00:05:19.000 But here's what we really are in.

00:05:20.000 We are in an economic hurricane.

00:05:24.000 All created by the very same politicians that promised you the vaccine would protect you against infection.

00:05:30.000 All created by the very same experts that told you that masks would prevent transmission.

00:05:35.000 All the very same experts that promised you that Iver Mecton is horsepaced.

00:05:41.000 Do you see a pattern here?

00:05:43.000 You know, I had it out with a journalist recently, and they said, Charlie, all you're trying to do is deteriorate trust on our institutions.

00:05:49.000 I said, no, they've done that job for themselves.

00:05:54.000 If you still trust the American institutions, whether it be Wall Street, Finance, the Federal Reserve, the CDC, the FDA, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Facebook, or Google, you're not looking close enough.

00:06:07.000 Look, we just report the facts here.

00:06:10.000 I want to trust my institutions, and you should too.

00:06:13.000 Institutions that have earned trust keep society stable.

00:06:17.000 You need to have some institutions that you could believe in, that you can fund, that you can congregate around.

00:06:23.000 A society without institutions is a society that is fractured, closer to discord.

00:06:28.000 Some would call it anarchy or complete and total bedlam.

00:06:32.000 Our institutions have stabbed us in the back because they've been co-opted and hijacked by corrupt ideological people.

00:06:39.000 I've said on this program before, I would much rather have a corrupt politician than an ideological politician.

00:06:44.000 We have both of them.

00:06:44.000 Guess what?

00:06:45.000 They're both unbelievably corrupt, and they're also ideological. 1.00

00:06:49.000 The worst combination. 0.99

00:06:51.000 Play cut 31.

00:06:52.000 We could be in a recession.

00:06:55.000 We're not going to be in a recession, in my view.

00:06:59.000 The employment rate is still one of the lowest we've had in history.

00:07:03.000 It's in the 3.6 area.

00:07:06.000 We still find ourselves with people investing.

00:07:10.000 My hope is we go from this rapid growth to steady growth.

00:07:14.000 And so we'll see some coming down.

00:07:17.000 But I don't think we're going to, God willing, I don't think we're going to see a recession.

00:07:21.000 God willing, we're living through a recession, Joe Biden.

00:07:23.000 Now, this goes to show the divide between classes.

00:07:28.000 There is a divide between the muscular class and the Zoom and Skype class.

00:07:33.000 Here's how you know what class you're in.

00:07:34.000 By the way, I'm not condemning you if you're part of the Zoom and Skype class.

00:07:37.000 I'm also not necessarily praising you if you're part of the muscular class. 0.96

00:07:40.000 There's plenty of jerks that are welders and plenty of good people that are HR managers. 0.90

00:07:44.000 But the moving average is there's a lot more, there's a lot more integrity and let's just say virtue in the American welding community than in the American HR community. 0.97

00:07:53.000 General observation, but there's exceptions to both.

00:07:56.000 We also talk about the ruling class versus the subjects, which are a lot of you.

00:08:02.000 But another divide, and believe it or not, I have to give the credit to this person, is Peggy Noonan, who I think has really lost her way in recent years, but she is objectively smart.

00:08:12.000 She's smart, but she's also very smug and she's very liberal. 0.99

00:08:15.000 She has articulated in several Wall Street Journal op-eds where she said the real divide in America is the protected class versus the unprotected class.

00:08:25.000 And I think that framing is actually very smart.

00:08:27.000 In a sense, what she's arguing is that if you are not protected from tragedy or calamity, you are part of the unprotected class.

00:08:34.000 The protected class is somebody who doesn't have to worry about medical bills if their kid gets sick.

00:08:39.000 The protected class is somebody that doesn't have to worry about the financial implications of going out to dinner or to go on a vacation or if a flood or a tsunami hits or if COVID happens, you'll be able to work through it.

00:08:50.000 The protected class is what runs the country. 0.97

00:08:53.000 You want to know why there's a populist revolt happening in America, which I really support, by the way, enthusiastically support, is because the unprotected class is being called dumb, stupid, lazy, and deplorable by the protected class that is insulated from the very costs that they actually imposed on the American people. 0.96

00:09:10.000 The protected class is by definition arrogant and remarkably self-righteous, which often leads to policies and ideas that are run by total and complete demagogues. 0.96

00:09:26.000 And so Joe Biden refuses to admit it's a recession because for him, everything's just fine.

00:09:31.000 Joe Biden will continue to be able to go to Delaware and ride his bike and fall over.

00:09:36.000 Joe Biden will be able to still get ice cream and never have to worry about it.

00:09:40.000 Joe Biden is a protected class member.

00:09:42.000 Guess what?

00:09:42.000 So is Janet Yellen.

00:09:44.000 Every single person that is molding and sculpting public policy is going to be just fine.

00:09:51.000 They don't care about you.

00:09:55.000 Look, inflation is out of control, and you need physical things you can touch in your investment portfolio.

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00:10:11.000 Welcome to 8.6% inflation.

00:10:14.000 And it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon.

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00:11:06.000 So we are now officially in a recession, negative GDP growth.

00:11:10.000 And I think all of this ties together.

00:11:13.000 Now, I would love your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com on this.

00:11:16.000 I learned so much from you guys, by the way.

00:11:17.000 I read every single email that comes through.

00:11:19.000 I do not respond to them all.

00:11:20.000 Somebody came up to me at our student action summit.

00:11:22.000 They said, Charlie, why don't you respond to my emails?

00:11:24.000 I said, I promise I read them all.

00:11:27.000 That doesn't mean I can respond to them all.

00:11:29.000 We get, I think, well over 5,000 emails a day, right, Connor?

00:11:32.000 Anywhere between 5,000 to 10,000 emails a day.

00:11:34.000 It's extraordinary.

00:11:34.000 But I want your thoughts.

00:11:35.000 Does this feel as if it's intentional?

00:11:38.000 I believe it is.

00:11:40.000 I believe that the masters of the universe, if you will, put that in air quotes, they are cheering for an economic reset.

00:11:52.000 Very similar to the great reset.

00:11:56.000 White House Jean-Pierre, Cut 45, declines to define what a recession is.

00:12:01.000 Let me just be very clear.

00:12:03.000 They can't tell you what a woman is. 1.00

00:12:06.000 They can't tell you what a recession is.

00:12:09.000 What can they tell you exactly?

00:12:12.000 Play cut 45.

00:12:13.000 And what is exactly the White House's definition of a recession?

00:12:17.000 Again, we don't, I'm not going to define it from here.

00:12:21.000 I'm just going to leave it to the NBER as we have stated of how they define recession.

00:12:27.000 Recession.

00:12:27.000 I don't declare it one until they have declared it one.

00:12:30.000 I'm just saying that we're just not going to define it.

00:12:32.000 We use the indicators that the NBER, the National Bureau of Economic Research, has used.

00:12:38.000 We've mentioned that a few times.

00:12:40.000 I find this to be so funny.

00:12:42.000 All the bureaucracies lean on one another.

00:12:45.000 So if you went to the NBBR, they'd say, oh, no, no, you have to go back to the White House for a definition.

00:12:51.000 You know what that's like?

00:12:52.000 That's like trying to get a passport.

00:12:54.000 Every single government agency you go to tells you have to go to the other government agency.

00:12:58.000 Social Security Administration says you have to go to the post office.

00:13:01.000 They say you have to go somewhere else.

00:13:03.000 Can I just go to one place to get all this done?

00:13:04.000 No, you need this paper stamped by this person to go to this place.

00:13:08.000 It's a never-ending circus of bureaucratic referrals.

00:13:16.000 Play cut 46, montage of CNN and MSNBC saying that a recession is two consecutive quarters of falling GDP, and yet the White House refuses to acknowledge we're in a recession.

00:13:28.000 Play tape.

00:13:30.000 Two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

00:13:33.000 The definition of a recession is a decline in output for two consecutive quarters or about six months.

00:13:39.000 A recession is just two consecutive quarters of economic decline.

00:13:43.000 When we talk about the possibility of a recession, what is a recession?

00:13:46.000 A recession is two consecutive quarters.

00:13:48.000 Two consecutive quarters.

00:13:50.000 Two consecutive quarters.

00:13:51.000 Two consecutive quarters of declining GDP.

00:13:53.000 Because as you know, it's two consecutive quarters of down GDP.

00:13:58.000 That signals it is actually a definition of a recession.

00:14:01.000 Now, that was all when Trump was president, and now they refuse to say this on TV.

00:14:06.000 This is Biden's press release.

00:14:08.000 Quote, coming off last year's historic economic growth.

00:14:11.000 Last year did not have historic economic growth.

00:14:11.000 Let's pause.

00:14:14.000 It was fake growth brought to you by a Potempkin Village House of Cards, a sugar high.

00:14:21.000 You know what that's like saying?

00:14:22.000 It's like saying, boy, I ran really far after chugging an entire liter of Coca-Cola.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, but good luck running a marathon on that.

00:14:31.000 You don't have any sort of nutritional basis to keep the fire going, man.

00:14:36.000 It's like trying to build a campfire in the wild on just kindling.

00:14:43.000 You're going to need some firewood.

00:14:44.000 You're going to need some sustainability.

00:14:47.000 Go eat a bunch of sugars.

00:14:49.000 Go eat a bunch of Kit Kats, MMs, and Skittles and try to play a basketball game.

00:14:53.000 You'll have a lot of energy for about five minutes.

00:14:55.000 Biden continues.

00:14:56.000 And regaining all the private sector jobs lost during the pandemic crisis, it's no surprise that the economy is slowing down.

00:15:03.000 Oh, it's slowing down.

00:15:04.000 As the Federal Reserve acts to bring down inflation.

00:15:07.000 But even as we face historic global challenges, we're on the right path.

00:15:10.000 We'll continue through this transition stronger and more secure.

00:15:13.000 They love that word transition.

00:15:16.000 And by the way, there is a connection between the focus on transgenderism and transition.

00:15:22.000 James Lindsay said it beautifully.

00:15:25.000 The postmodernists must always be changing something.

00:15:27.000 Nothing can remain the same.

00:15:29.000 That's what we as conservatives believe.

00:15:31.000 We believe in things that do not change.

00:15:32.000 They believe in things that change all the time just for the sake of changing.

00:15:35.000 That's why the gay pride flag changes every June.

00:15:37.000 Now it has a triangle and a circle in it.

00:15:40.000 Next year, it's going to have a big P on it.

00:15:42.000 Figure out what that stands for.

00:15:43.000 Our job market remains historically strong with unemployment at 3.6% and more than 1 million jobs created in the second quarter alone.

00:15:50.000 Consumer spending is continuing to grow.

00:15:53.000 As earlier this week, Joe Biden said I met with the chairman of SK Group of Korea, just one of the companies investing more than $200 billion in American manufacturing sentence took office, powering a historic recovery in American manufacturing.

00:16:04.000 He says, My economic plan is focused on bringing inflation down.

00:16:07.000 It's actually focused on doing the opposite without giving up all the economic gains we have made, of which there are none.

00:16:12.000 They're all fake, and you're going to have a lot of suffering because of it.

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00:17:14.000 The Whoopi Goldberg saga continues, everybody.

00:17:18.000 In fact, there's some breaking news around that that we want to play for you here.

00:17:24.000 And so just breaking in the last couple of minutes on the view, PlayCut 86.

00:17:31.000 You know, in Monday's conversation about Turning Point USA, I put the young people at the conference in the same category as the protesters outside.

00:17:31.000 Welcome back.

00:17:41.000 And I don't like it when people make assumptions about me.

00:17:45.000 And it's not any better when I make assumptions about other people, which I did.

00:17:49.000 So my bad.

00:17:51.000 I'm sorry.

00:17:52.000 So.

00:17:52.000 Okay.

00:17:53.000 Called you guys a bunch of Nazis. 0.94

00:17:55.000 My bad.

00:17:57.000 There is a great, there's a great quote from Benjamin Franklin, which is, do not ruin an apology with an excuse.

00:18:06.000 It's a great quote.

00:18:08.000 Look, I'm a big believer in apologizing when you're wrong.

00:18:11.000 However, I'm trying to make sure I understand what she's sorry for.

00:18:17.000 Is she sorry she said it, or is she sorry that she believed it?

00:18:22.000 Those are two totally, completely different things.

00:18:26.000 And I'm going to be very honest.

00:18:30.000 It's very hard for me to believe that was sincere.

00:18:34.000 It looked more kind of like a hostage situation of lawyers that were pointing and saying, do this.

00:18:41.000 She didn't exactly look graceful while doing that. 0.56

00:18:45.000 Now, the gesture is noted, but I want your thoughts because I'm torn on this, especially as a Christian.

00:18:51.000 Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:18:53.000 Is this an apology that I should accept?

00:18:55.000 Do you accept somebody's apology when you know blatantly it's not being done in good faith?

00:19:00.000 Do you accept someone's apology when it seems as if it's just being done to try to get it out of the news cycle?

00:19:07.000 If it's lawyers pressuring them, is that really an apology?

00:19:11.000 Or is that a press release?

00:19:14.000 I want your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:19:17.000 And the story just keeps on going.

00:19:20.000 I mean, it's kind of like 15 days the slow the spread.

00:19:23.000 It just won't go away.

00:19:26.000 And again, I want to be very clear that many times in my life, I've made mistakes and I apologize.

00:19:34.000 You know, a pastor told me once, he said, there's only one way to biblically apologize.

00:19:40.000 He said, this is the way, the best way.

00:19:41.000 And by the way, it's great advice to live for.

00:19:43.000 It's a three-step process.

00:19:44.000 I want to make sure I get this right.

00:19:46.000 It's, I was completely and totally wrong.

00:19:50.000 I have no excuse, and it will never happen again.

00:19:56.000 That's the best.

00:19:56.000 That is the ideal way of apologizing.

00:20:00.000 And also, I'm not really in a position to accept the apology.

00:20:05.000 Our students are.

00:20:08.000 Our students are the ones that were smeared.

00:20:12.000 I get called names all the time.

00:20:15.000 And so this does ask the question, again, I would love your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:20:20.000 How does one handle a situation when you know you are dealing transparently with someone that does not want to be giving that apology, that is being forced to do it?

00:20:30.000 It's as if a child is being told by the parent, apologize.

00:20:33.000 Is that sincere?

00:20:35.000 It's just an interesting moral question.

00:20:38.000 And I don't think I have a clear answer to it.

00:20:40.000 Because I know that everyone makes mistakes and apologies are necessary to be able to remedy our differences and to try to bring down our, let's just say, bring down our escalating tensions.

00:20:55.000 But do you go out of your way to just say, you know what?

00:20:58.000 I totally accept the apology, even though it's so forced.

00:21:02.000 It's so obvious.

00:21:03.000 And, oh yeah, sorry, I called 5,000 students could have potentially ruined their ability to get jobs, go to college, my bad.

00:21:16.000 What?

00:21:18.000 Someone says here, no, Charlie, I think your instincts are correct.

00:21:21.000 I don't believe she feels any better about young conservatives than she feels about adult conservatives.

00:21:25.000 She's just trying to keep her job. 0.99

00:21:29.000 Someone says here, Charlie, she's forced to say she's sorry she was forced to say she's sorry.

00:21:35.000 Elizabeth said, hey, Charlie, that was not sincere at all.

00:21:38.000 The lawyers made her do it. 1.00

00:21:39.000 She's a fraud. 1.00

00:21:40.000 So the view. 0.99

00:21:42.000 And again, I resonate with that.

00:21:46.000 The reason I'm torn is because I do believe my faith instructs me to try to seek out differences and offer forgiveness.

00:21:55.000 But I suppose it's a deeper philosophical question, which is, how do you deal in the circumstance and the situation when it's so obvious that that's not an apology?

00:22:07.000 Michael said, Charlie, when you suspect that an apology is insincere, ask pertinent questions to dig down into the person's motives.

00:22:14.000 It's very, it's interesting.

00:22:16.000 Smart.

00:22:17.000 Donna says, Charlie, I don't believe she was sincere.

00:22:20.000 She always seems to have excuses for her remarks. 0.91

00:22:22.000 If she was sincere, when you see a bit of change in what she says, yeah, you know, that is, that is actually an important point, which is, is there a promise to not do it again in the future?

00:22:33.000 What did Whoopi Goldberg say about Nicholas Sandman?

00:22:36.000 I don't know if she was on TV at the time, but I know a lot of media went after Nicholas Sandman.

00:22:41.000 Go to this question here.

00:22:43.000 Charlie, the fact that a person apologizes doesn't mean they aren't responsible for the harm they cause.

00:22:47.000 That's a really important point.

00:22:48.000 And so I want to differentiate two things.

00:22:50.000 My kind of confliction with accepting an apology that is so transparently insincere, but also holding people accountable.

00:23:00.000 Kenneth says here, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:23:03.000 I love you guys.

00:23:03.000 You guys have the funniest emails.

00:23:07.000 He says, quote, my bad is not an apology.

00:23:12.000 It's true.

00:23:15.000 Christina says, quote, it seemed as if Whoopi had a metaphorical gun to her head when she made the apology.

00:23:20.000 She's trying to stay away from a big lawsuit. 1.00

00:23:23.000 It's hard to disagree with that.

00:23:25.000 This one right here, Steve said, that was not an apology.

00:23:28.000 They're worried about being sued.

00:23:30.000 You saw what happened, Nicholas Sandman, you're doing the right thing.

00:23:31.000 100%.

00:23:32.000 We're no longer playing by the old rules.

00:23:33.000 It's a new game now.

00:23:35.000 And yeah, and I'll be honest, it's really hard for me just to kind of turn the page and to kind of just move on when it's our students that are at stake.

00:23:44.000 And that's really what has motivated and driven me this entire time, is our students need to be completely off limits.

00:23:50.000 Again, you could say whatever you want about Charlie Kirk.

00:23:52.000 I can deal with that.

00:23:53.000 I have a platform to respond and to clear up the nonsense.

00:23:56.000 We've done that many times here on this program.

00:23:59.000 But you go after our students that are starting these turning point USA chapters.

00:24:03.000 You're in the grassroots.

00:24:04.000 And your answer to calling them part of the rise of the American Third Reich and neo-Nazis is my bad.

00:24:15.000 Someone said, quote, Charlie, there was a third choice.

00:24:18.000 She was sorry that she got caught.

00:24:21.000 Tony said, quote, email this freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:24:24.000 That was the poorest excuse for an apology I've ever seen.

00:24:27.000 She has some nerve and needs to be taught a lesson in behavior of which she has none. 1.00

00:24:31.000 She will never learn a lesson if she doesn't have a consequence.

00:24:34.000 So insincere and so smug.

00:24:37.000 Charlie, in regards to forgiveness, Satan wasn't sorry for the fall of man because he was never sorry.

00:24:41.000 I can't speak for God, but who forgave Satan for that?

00:24:45.000 Why forgive the view?

00:24:46.000 They are far from sorry.

00:24:47.000 Okay, so Douglas is comparing her to Lucifer.

00:24:50.000 It's interesting.

00:24:53.000 Fred says here, Charlie, please don't accept Whoopee's apology.

00:24:56.000 And I'm not saying I've accepted it.

00:24:57.000 I'm saying I'm torn.

00:24:58.000 I'm legitimately torn on it.

00:25:01.000 She has not been sincere.

00:25:02.000 That was a fourth apology, not sincere.

00:25:03.000 It's very obvious, Charlie.

00:25:04.000 She needs to be held accountable for smearing. 0.98

00:25:06.000 Again, let me be very clear.

00:25:08.000 Whether or not one accepts an apology does not mean that you're not going to held accountable.

00:25:11.000 You might say, well, I was really sorry I drove drunk and ran somebody over.

00:25:15.000 It's irrelevant.

00:25:16.000 You must be held accountable.

00:25:17.000 So that does not even factor into the calculus of our potential lawsuit.

00:25:20.000 It's more of a question of how does one handle that when you get an apology from when you know someone that is not sincere.

00:25:27.000 Sincere.

00:25:27.000 McKenzie said, quote, I don't believe that you should accept an apology as a sincere apology because it's not.

00:25:32.000 But personally, you should forgive as Christ commands us.

00:25:34.000 Even when no apology may be given, I believe you could still hold accountable and forgive her.

00:25:38.000 That will speak bounds of your testimony or character.

00:25:40.000 McKenzie, that's where my heart's at.

00:25:42.000 I'll be very honest.

00:25:43.000 That's where I am.

00:25:44.000 That's where I'm torn because we are called to forgive without conditions.

00:25:49.000 But we're also, you must have justice at the center.

00:25:55.000 One of my friends from Chicago just texted me.

00:25:57.000 You know, it's not sincere when they keep having to apologize.

00:26:02.000 They have to keep on having new renditions of their apology.

00:26:07.000 Someone says, don't give Whoopee any more publicity. 0.98

00:26:10.000 Leave her to God. 1.00

00:26:10.000 She has always been obnoxious, rude, and mean. 1.00

00:26:12.000 So yeah, Teresa, this is the question, right? 0.79

00:26:14.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:26:15.000 Do we just not sue them now because of that?

00:26:18.000 Do we not pursue it?

00:26:19.000 You know, don't give Whoopee any more publicity? 0.76

00:26:21.000 It's really not about Whoopee's publicity.

00:26:23.000 It's about the attempted smear of children.

00:26:25.000 And I will say, Teresa, just to push back a little bit, if you got kids and grandkids, if you don't hold people like this accountable, they're going to try to do the same.

00:26:33.000 By the way, this happens on a micro level.

00:26:34.000 Teachers, professors, other people going after loved ones just because they don't like their politics.

00:26:43.000 Paul said, if Whoopee wants to apologize, maybe she should arrange to pay a couple of your staff flight hotel and apologize on the show and explain why she's sorry. 1.00

00:26:51.000 If she doesn't comply, she isn't sincere.

00:26:53.000 Paul from Sarasota, Florida.

00:26:55.000 Sandy said, Whoopie's apology was also brought on pressure from those who had handed her the paycheck.

00:26:59.000 I doubt a suit would go anywhere at this point with an apology, but it suggests you do the 2000 Mules and find out who the Nazis are. 0.81

00:27:05.000 Yeah, so let me be very clear.

00:27:06.000 We are not going to let the most fundamental part of this go, which is who were the people outside the convention center.

00:27:12.000 So we're working with Greg Phillips from 2000 Mules, the data that will be compiled from cell phone pings.

00:27:18.000 We're going to find out who these people were.

00:27:20.000 It was so transparently a Democrat operation outside the convention center.

00:27:24.000 And I went through some of the reasons why.

00:27:26.000 Why did the media not care to find the identities of the Nazis that were outside the convention center?

00:27:33.000 Why is that?

00:27:35.000 The great Bill Federer sent me something this morning.

00:27:38.000 I'm going to read it to you.

00:27:40.000 Bill Federer sent me this.

00:27:42.000 Said, Charlie, it is a long-known leftist tactic to go to conservative rallies as fake supporters dressed up as Nazis or KKK.

00:27:51.000 Quote: This is from Saul Linsky.

00:27:53.000 Such communist tactics were described by Sanford D. Horwit in Let Them Call Me a Rebel.

00:27:59.000 Quote: In 1972, students asked Dolinski to help plan a protest of a scheduled speech by George H.W. Bush, then a U.S. representative to the United Nations.

00:28:07.000 He told them to go dressed as members of the KKK, and whenever Bush said something in defense of the Vietnam War, they would cheer and wave placards, reading, quote, the KKK supports Bush.

00:28:17.000 And that is what the students did with very successful media results.

00:28:22.000 Joni says, quote, Charlie, take the higher road.

00:28:24.000 The point has been made.

00:28:25.000 Show kindness and graciousness.

00:28:27.000 That is showing Christ to the world.

00:28:31.000 That is my tension, Tony, Joni, I have to say.

00:28:36.000 That tension between justice and defending the youth and defending students, and also how do you actually handle people's sincerity when it's so transparently insincere?

00:28:48.000 That's a moral question.

00:28:49.000 And to say you have the easy answer to that, I think is a little bit short-changed of how complex these things can go.

00:28:57.000 I want your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:28:59.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:29:02.000 This person says she should apologize for her apology, Charlie.

00:29:08.000 Sidney said, We must think of the kids and those in need of the future to hold these bullies accountable.

00:29:14.000 Every time these mean girls go down this path, the defame must start fighting back. 1.00

00:29:18.000 It's not just for now, but for turning points' reputation and all the good it can do in the future.

00:29:23.000 Yes, forgive, but you must do what's right for the organization.

00:29:27.000 Seems to be a consensus around that.

00:29:30.000 I'll be very honest.

00:29:31.000 The commandment on forgiveness in the Bible is one of the hardest things for me.

00:29:34.000 I don't forgive easily.

00:29:35.000 People say, I forgive so easily.

00:29:38.000 That's not me.

00:29:40.000 Especially when you come after children.

00:29:42.000 If you come after me, whatever, actually, I forget about it very easily.

00:29:44.000 But if you come after things I care about, that I am tasked to steward, it's not exactly easy for me to do that.

00:29:52.000 And especially when you're the leader of an organization.

00:29:55.000 Forgiveness is a very difficult thing.

00:29:57.000 That's why I always struggle with people that just forgive immediately.

00:30:01.000 And look, the scriptures are very clear about this.

00:30:06.000 And it says, if a brother rebukes and repents, if your brother sins, rebuke him.

00:30:10.000 And if he repents, forgive him.

00:30:12.000 The question is: would be a brother?

00:30:13.000 That's a question for a pastor.

00:30:16.000 Phyllis says, my bad is not an apology.

00:30:20.000 I want your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:23.000 Someone says, Patricia, if you do not sue her, then they'll continue to say even more terrible things about turning point USA and the rest of us.

00:30:29.000 This reminds me of a parent who tells their child, okay, stop that.

00:30:32.000 One more time, I'm gonna get really upset at you.

00:30:33.000 All right, that's enough.

00:30:34.000 Charlie, don't be that parent.

00:30:37.000 Smart.

00:30:39.000 Lorraine says, quote, Charlie, I don't think it has anything to do with whether you forgive her or not.

00:30:43.000 It has to do with justice.

00:30:44.000 As a Catholic, even forgiven sins need to be repaired.

00:30:46.000 For example, if I apologize for a lie I told about my friend who went for confession, my priest, using the old catechism, would say, I also need to repair that lie by making it known to everyone that it was a lie.

00:30:57.000 Did Whoopi publicly make it known that it was a lie?

00:30:59.000 If you let this slide, they'll be making up definition, defamation, and lies.

00:31:03.000 Lori from Ohio, that is very smart. 1.00

00:31:05.000 I'm not a Catholic, but great respect for Catholic teaching and the Catholic, the Catholic history of especially the creation of the Bible, which was very, very smart.

00:31:21.000 But I'm not a Catholic.

00:31:22.000 Okay, deep respect for Catholics.

00:31:24.000 So, Charlie, we as Christians must forgive without conditions.

00:31:26.000 That's true, just say it in the Bible: when struck upon the cheek, turn the other cheek.

00:31:29.000 However, God didn't make us fools.

00:31:31.000 When the second cheek had been struck, you don't give, you don't have a third defense, not only means with arms, but also logic and defense at your disposal.

00:31:40.000 Sincerely, this guy's last name is Schwab and no, not related to the cost Schwab.

00:31:44.000 Thank you, Lord.

00:31:47.000 Jeff said, Charlie, a response required by lawyers is not an apology.

00:31:51.000 Her passion for slander is nowhere near equal to her supposed apology.

00:31:56.000 It's a tough one for me.

00:31:57.000 I'm being very transparent with you guys.

00:31:59.000 And if you guys think it's easy, you guys know what it's like.

00:32:02.000 Some of you know what it's like when someone you care about gets smeared and they come after you and you just are supposed to move on.

00:32:08.000 Especially when you just know it's insincere.

00:32:12.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:32:12.000 Love your show.

00:32:13.000 My bad is not an apology.

00:32:15.000 It's a oh, I put in my mouth, Sue.

00:32:21.000 That is not out of the cards.

00:32:24.000 Mark, forgiveness isn't about what people deserve.

00:32:26.000 That being said, people need to be held accountable.

00:32:27.000 A fake apology isn't going to cut anymore.

00:32:29.000 There's not enough people being held accountable.

00:32:30.000 It's not about seconding the fake apology or forgiveness.

00:32:33.000 It's about principle.

00:32:35.000 Want your thoughts to keep on coming in.

00:32:36.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:32:38.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:32:40.000 Cindy said, ask the students, what example do you want students to follow?

00:32:44.000 It's a toughie.

00:32:45.000 Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:47.000 Subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.

00:32:49.000 Here's what I can say: We're not going to stop our quest for accountability.

00:32:53.000 That is my promise.

00:32:57.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:58.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:01.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:33:02.000 God bless.

00:33:06.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 28, 2022

Whoopi Says "Whoops" — How to Respond to a Non-Apology

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