The Charlie Kirk Show - January 26, 2023


Whose RNC Is It Anyway? With Matt Gaetz


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In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie talks about his thoughts on the Republican National Committee primary race and why he's spending so much time and energy on the campaign. Also, we play a piece of audio from my conversation with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, today Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:03.000 We talk about the RNC race.
00:00:05.000 Also, we play a piece of tape of my conversation with Governor Ron DeSantis.
00:00:08.000 Full interview soon to be posted.
00:00:10.000 That and so much more.
00:00:11.000 As always, you can email me your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:14.000 Matt Gates also joins us as well.
00:00:15.000 And get involved with TurningPointUSA, a tpusa.com.
00:00:19.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:20.000 Here, we go.
00:00:21.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:23.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:25.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:29.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:32.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:33.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:34.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:36.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:42.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:06.000 Typically, I am not in favor of regime change.
00:01:10.000 You know, typically, I think that it's wrong to try to go in and try to replace one leader and say that you know that things can work better than the other.
00:01:19.000 It didn't work well in Libya, didn't work well in Syria, didn't work well in Iraq.
00:01:22.000 But this is a regime change that I completely and totally support.
00:01:27.000 It's a generational opportunity.
00:01:29.000 I know a lot of you support Mike Lindell, love Mike Lindell.
00:01:31.000 I'm behind Mike Lindell.
00:01:33.000 I'm also behind Harmeet Dylan.
00:01:34.000 I'm behind change.
00:01:36.000 Whoever ends up being the opposition candidate, I am going to be 100% and enthusiastically behind, whomever that is.
00:01:44.000 98% of our attendees that came to the Turning Point Action event at AmericaFest back in December, 98% of them said that they want change at the Republican National Committee.
00:01:55.000 Now, some of you are probably wondering, Charlie, why are you focusing so much on the RNC race?
00:01:59.000 For what reason are you focusing on the GOP?
00:02:03.000 Does it really matter?
00:02:04.000 And the answer is yes, it does matter.
00:02:06.000 The FEC, the Federal Election Commission, which is the federal body that regulates elections, has some very specific provisions that state that national party committees are able to follow that allow them to do certain activities, coordination efforts with campaigns and with candidates that outside super PACs, that outside other organizations are not able to do.
00:02:32.000 So, for example, we run Turning Point Action.
00:02:34.000 Turning Point Action is growing.
00:02:35.000 Tyler Boyer is doing a great job of running it.
00:02:37.000 It is a mighty force.
00:02:39.000 We knock on a lot of doors.
00:02:40.000 We do our best to try to move the dial.
00:02:42.000 But all things being equal, Turning Point Action is a $4 to $5 million operation, nothing massive compared to the $500 million that Soros and these other people pump into some of these super PACs.
00:02:53.000 But at Turning Point Action, it is forbidden for us at Turning Point Action to share data, resources, messaging, information with candidates, with campaigns.
00:03:05.000 So for example, if you have Dog Catcher running for Senate in, let's just say Joe Smith running for Senate in Wyoming, Turning Point Action, we are not able to talk to that candidate about strategy.
00:03:17.000 We're not able to share data.
00:03:18.000 We're not able to share best practices.
00:03:20.000 We have to operate as what is called an outside group.
00:03:23.000 Now, outside groups can still make a big difference, but it is forbidden by law for us to be able to pick up the phone and have a meeting and say, hey, here's some data.
00:03:31.000 Would you like it?
00:03:32.000 Or here's some donors.
00:03:33.000 Would you like to share some of these donors?
00:03:36.000 Would you like to do a joint fundraiser?
00:03:37.000 Would you like to do a joint rally?
00:03:39.000 Can't do that.
00:03:41.000 Now, you can have candidates come speak at your events, but you cannot coordinate with those candidates.
00:03:45.000 It's a very fine line.
00:03:47.000 Now, 527s are regulated the same way. 0.99
00:03:50.000 527s are super PACs.
00:03:51.000 You hear about that a lot.
00:03:52.000 But the RNC is different.
00:03:56.000 The RNC, because of federal election law, allows the party itself that the person is running in.
00:04:04.000 So let's say that Joe Smith is running as a Republican in Wyoming.
00:04:09.000 Joe Smith is able to talk to the RNC.
00:04:12.000 Joe Smith is able to do meetings with the RNC.
00:04:15.000 Joe Smith is able to receive data from the RNC.
00:04:19.000 Joe Smith, or let's use more applicable examples, right?
00:04:23.000 Let's say Blake Masters was able to, or Herschel Walker was able to, or Adam Laxalt, or JD Vance.
00:04:29.000 They're able to pick up the phone and say, RNC, let's meet.
00:04:32.000 What is your polling showing?
00:04:34.000 What is your data showing?
00:04:35.000 What messaging is going to work or not going to work?
00:04:40.000 So the RNC, at its best, should operate as a central hub, a clearinghouse, to be able to get data, volunteer strategy, grassroots, fundraising, small-dollar donors.
00:04:55.000 The RNC is necessary.
00:04:57.000 We will not win in 2024 if we first don't clean up our elections, and that's why we need an actual functioning RNC, to make sure that we do not continue to have the sabotage and the ambush campaigns that plague our great candidates like Kerry Lake and many others.
00:05:13.000 But secondly, if we do not have an RNC that is deploying resources prudently and properly, that is understanding the need to energize voters with proper messaging, done correctly and properly, a functioning RNC can work in harmony with some of our best candidates, including if Donald Trump is the nominee in 2024.
00:05:36.000 Whoever the nominee is in 2024, we need to have an RNC that is able to work in tandem with whomever that candidate is.
00:05:44.000 I do not have faith that the current RNC regime will be able to get our movement, the America First Movement, back into the White House in 2024.
00:05:58.000 And I know a lot of you feel the same way.
00:06:00.000 But that's just one example of several of why this matters so much.
00:06:04.000 There is a technical reason, and the technical reason I just laid out for you.
00:06:08.000 But in Harmet Dillon has made some promises.
00:06:10.000 Mike Lindell has made several similar promises.
00:06:13.000 We want to decentralize the RNC.
00:06:15.000 We want to bring it to Jacksonville, Florida, or we want to bring it to Atlanta, Georgia.
00:06:19.000 We want to bring it to Wisconsin.
00:06:21.000 We want to bring it to Phoenix, Arizona.
00:06:23.000 Shut down the Washington, D.C. office.
00:06:26.000 I have not heard a good argument as to why the RNC has an office in Washington, D.C.
00:06:33.000 The RNC is not there as a lobbying organization.
00:06:35.000 It shouldn't be there as a social club.
00:06:37.000 It shouldn't be there as a consultant clearinghouse.
00:06:40.000 The RNC should not have a stapler in Washington, D.C.
00:06:46.000 The RNC should not have a Keurig machine in Washington, D.C.
00:06:49.000 It should be a fire sale. 0.97
00:06:51.000 Shut it down. 1.00
00:06:52.000 Bar the door.
00:06:53.000 Get as much money as you can for it.
00:06:55.000 And then open up four other headquarters.
00:06:57.000 Say the RNC now has four headquarters.
00:07:00.000 Our four headquarters are in Fulton County, Georgia.
00:07:04.000 We are now in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
00:07:07.000 We are in Maricopa.
00:07:09.000 And we are in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
00:07:13.000 We are going to live where we need to win votes.
00:07:18.000 We are going to operate in the actual places that are going to be necessary to save the Republic.
00:07:25.000 This alone, the current RNC regime finds this idea to be preposterous.
00:07:31.000 Ah, come on, you need a D.C. office.
00:07:33.000 Why?
00:07:34.000 What is the answer?
00:07:37.000 We need to live where we need to win.
00:07:39.000 Hire the staff there.
00:07:41.000 Immerse yourself in the culture.
00:07:42.000 Understand the demography.
00:07:44.000 Understand the trends, the things that candidates are talking about.
00:07:48.000 Now, the RNC will say, well, we open field offices.
00:07:50.000 I am not talking about a field office.
00:07:52.000 I'm talking about the actual nuts and bolts of where you call the headquarters.
00:07:58.000 And by the way, it would be nice to actually spend money in the states where you need to actually be able to win people over.
00:08:06.000 So this is all happening right now in Dana Point, California.
00:08:10.000 Of course, Dana Point, California, at $900 a night resort.
00:08:15.000 The RNC is at the Waldorf Astoria in Dana Point.
00:08:20.000 Is that right?
00:08:21.000 The Waldorf Astoria.
00:08:24.000 There is a more opulent option.
00:08:26.000 And that's what they'll probably say.
00:08:27.000 The Ritz is which one's higher?
00:08:29.000 Check which one's higher on Expedia.
00:08:32.000 I don't know if Expedia is the best.
00:08:34.000 What do you use?
00:08:35.000 Hotels.com?
00:08:37.000 Hotels.com.
00:08:39.000 Which is the price line?
00:08:41.000 That's William Shatner.
00:08:43.000 I'm wondering which one Ritz is cheaper than the Waldorf.
00:08:48.000 All right.
00:08:49.000 So they took the more opulent option.
00:08:51.000 And just for the record, I think the Ritz is actually a nicer hotel.
00:08:55.000 I actually do.
00:08:55.000 That Ritz is a beautiful property.
00:08:57.000 I've had an opportunity to go to a couple events there, right?
00:08:59.000 Am I right?
00:09:00.000 The Waldorf.
00:09:00.000 I don't think it's just overpriced.
00:09:02.000 And I'm actually not really a Waldorf fan as it is.
00:09:06.000 Yeah.
00:09:06.000 So, but anyway, that's where they're doing.
00:09:09.000 Is it really true it's owned by the Chinese?
00:09:11.000 Is that right?
00:09:13.000 I don't know if that's right or not.
00:09:14.000 Maybe or not.
00:09:15.000 By the way, if I was running the RNC, okay, you don't have to go to Days Inn.
00:09:20.000 I think that's an over exact.
00:09:21.000 That's probably, you don't have to go to, you know, Motel 8 or whatever.
00:09:25.000 That's too much, okay?
00:09:26.000 But maybe a Hilton, you know, just like a main line, nice brand.
00:09:32.000 Maybe a Marriott, maybe a Weston, right?
00:09:35.000 I mean, something that's good for business travelers.
00:09:37.000 And maybe do it in a state that you need to win.
00:09:40.000 Don't do it to Hyatt because that's J.B. Pritzker.
00:09:42.000 You help fund the Democrats.
00:09:44.000 Marriott, they've been Republican donors in years past.
00:09:46.000 Why you have it at the Waldorf Astoria?
00:09:48.000 I don't know.
00:09:52.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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00:10:54.000 Some of our listeners are funny.
00:10:55.000 Charlie, why aren't you telling the public about Ronna McDaniel Romney's mismanagement of donor funds?
00:11:01.000 $17 million in donor gifts.
00:11:03.000 Yeah, I mean, we actually broke the story on our show.
00:11:06.000 People could be so accusatory sometimes.
00:11:08.000 But yes, I'll keep on mentioning it.
00:11:10.000 That is true.
00:11:11.000 $17 million in donor gifts.
00:11:15.000 Rather suspicious.
00:11:16.000 Did you guys get any of those, by the way?
00:11:17.000 That gave small dollar donations to donors?
00:11:21.000 I'm sorry.
00:11:22.000 Small dollar donations to the RNC.
00:11:24.000 Let me be precise in my language here.
00:11:26.000 Yeah, okay.
00:11:27.000 This is just so, this is so these emails.
00:11:30.000 People are angry, man.
00:11:32.000 Charlie, you're putting them down for staying at the Ritz.
00:11:34.000 No, I'm putting them down for staying at the Waldorf, and you were there.
00:11:37.000 Sounds like a rhino.
00:11:38.000 Why would you ever go to the Ritz? 0.99
00:11:40.000 I mean, you know how much, man, you're the worst.
00:11:43.000 I mean, yeah, I went to an event there, okay, for live action.
00:11:46.000 Keep it up, man.
00:11:47.000 People are funny.
00:11:48.000 Okay, enough of that. 0.96
00:11:49.000 We get some really silly emails. 0.59
00:11:51.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com. 0.98
00:11:52.000 Silly ones are welcome, and they might be right on air. 1.00
00:11:55.000 So we're heading to the RNC meeting. 0.99
00:11:56.000 There's 168 members.
00:11:59.000 Right now, the current chairperson of the RNC is Ronna Romney.
00:12:03.000 And again, she's a very sweet and pleasant person.
00:12:05.000 I haven't heard anybody say anything different. 0.98
00:12:08.000 She's always been very warm and very kind to me, but she's also a loser. 0.99
00:12:12.000 And we should not reward losers. 0.96
00:12:15.000 And when you run the RNC for the years that she has, which is now six years, and every is it six years? 0.66
00:12:22.000 Let me think.
00:12:23.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:12:24.000 2017 is when she became RNC chair.
00:12:26.000 And every single cycle, you have an excuse.
00:12:29.000 In 2018, it was Mueller.
00:12:30.000 In 2020, it was COVID.
00:12:32.000 In 2022, it was abortion.
00:12:35.000 You're probably more focused on staying chairperson than actually achieving results.
00:12:41.000 And that's okay.
00:12:42.000 I'm sure that there's a place for ambition and all this in the broader calculus.
00:12:48.000 But why on earth are we going to keep on rewarding somebody that does not deliver the desired objective, especially one that spends $17 million on donor gifts, especially one that spent $700,000 on flowers? 0.92
00:13:11.000 It's ridiculous.
00:13:13.000 And the current RNC regime, in so many different ways, is demanding more time, more of your money, more of your resources. 0.80
00:13:30.000 Why?
00:13:32.000 Because I think they want to keep the consultant industrial complex going.
00:13:37.000 They want to continue to stay in power, regardless of how people criticize them and how many people want them removed.
00:13:48.000 98% of people want them removed.
00:13:51.000 98% want the RNC to be changed.
00:13:58.000 There's some very big money involved here.
00:14:01.000 If we do not win back the White House in 2024, the Republic is going to be harder and harder for us to reclaim.
00:14:08.000 I don't think the country will be over, but it'll be hard for us to reclaim it.
00:14:11.000 And it's so winnable.
00:14:12.000 These people are doing such damage to our country.
00:14:15.000 The RNC needs to be run by innovative thinkers, people that employ entrepreneurialism.
00:14:23.000 Why is it that the RNC considers themselves to be untouchable?
00:14:28.000 I want your thoughts on the RNC race.
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00:15:50.000 This is a little, this just happened just minutes ago.
00:15:52.000 Governor Ron DeSantis' take on the upcoming RNC race.
00:15:58.000 And just for the record, Donald Trump is remaining neutral on the race.
00:16:03.000 But you're about to hear Governor DeSantis is not remaining neutral.
00:16:06.000 He's listening to you, and he says it's time for a change.
00:16:09.000 PlayCut 99.
00:16:10.000 Right now, the RNC is meeting in Dana Point, California.
00:16:14.000 And there are some questions of who should lead the RNC and whether it should be Rana for a fourth term or go a different direction with Harmeet Dillon.
00:16:23.000 What are your thoughts on this?
00:16:24.000 Well, we've had three substandard election cycles in a row, 18, 20, and 22.
00:16:31.000 And I would say of all three of those, 22 was probably the worst given the political environment of a very unpopular president in Biden.
00:16:40.000 Huge majorities of the people think the country's going in the wrong direction.
00:16:44.000 That is an environment that's tailor-made to make big gains in the House and the Senate and state houses all across the country, and yet that didn't happen.
00:16:54.000 And in fact, we even lost ground in the U.S. Senate.
00:16:56.000 And so, you know, I think we need a change.
00:16:59.000 I think we need to get some new blood in the RNC.
00:17:02.000 I like what Harmeet Dillon has said about getting the RNC out of D.C. Why would you want to have your headquarters in the most Democrat city in America?
00:17:14.000 It's more Democrat than San Francisco is.
00:17:16.000 So I think you get it in real parts of the country.
00:17:20.000 You attract people who want to live in those parts of the country, not D.C. insiders.
00:17:25.000 But I do think we need some fresh thinking.
00:17:26.000 And here's the thing, just practically speaking, you need grassroots Republicans to power this organization with volunteering and donations.
00:17:38.000 I think it's going to be very difficult to energize people to want to give money, to want to volunteer their time with the RNC if they don't see a change in direction.
00:17:47.000 Do you have any personal experience with the RNC?
00:17:50.000 I mean, because they'll say that Florida was one of their great successes this last cycle.
00:17:55.000 So we actually ran our election assuming we weren't going to be involved with the RNC at all because they weren't raising the type of money that they needed to be raising.
00:18:05.000 And so our get out the vote, our ground operation, we funded that.
00:18:09.000 We focused a lot on actually low propensity voters and we turned out a lot of low props, which is very, very good.
00:18:14.000 So it was very successful.
00:18:16.000 But that was really being driven by our agenda, our accomplishments, and us putting a lot of dollars behind this important ground game.
00:18:25.000 Yeah, and there's, I'm talking to a lot of members, and we're going to see how it ends up.
00:18:29.000 And people are kind of looking for direction and for answers.
00:18:32.000 But here's what we do know.
00:18:33.000 92 to 98 percent of voters say this is insane.
00:18:36.000 What's happening here.
00:18:37.000 This continued lackluster results.
00:18:40.000 Why are we going to, why are we going to put our foot on the gas and accelerate in a direction that is really against us?
00:18:46.000 And I would just say hey, look at Florida, maybe Florida's, you know a path forward that actually could show us, you know, how we could do things.
00:18:53.000 And so, just kind of closing thought on that, the members are meeting and you've said you know it's time for a change.
00:19:00.000 What other ideas do you think the, The RNC, could embrace?
00:19:03.000 you know, regardless of who wins, to actually have a path forward that can achieve victory.
00:19:08.000 It needs to be less consultant-driven.
00:19:10.000 Okay, this money that's going in needs to go to ultimately winning elections and not to be lining the pocket of so many consultants.
00:19:19.000 So we need huge transparency on that.
00:19:21.000 You know, when we ran our election, we had our digital in-house.
00:19:26.000 You know, we've got a great fundraising team.
00:19:28.000 But we're not giving commissions to people.
00:19:28.000 We have all this.
00:19:31.000 We pay them a salary.
00:19:32.000 You know, will you do a good job?
00:19:33.000 I want to pay you.
00:19:34.000 I want you to do well.
00:19:35.000 But you can't have incentives to where the campaigns and the operations are run with an eye to putting more money in the pocket of the consultant class.
00:19:44.000 And obviously, they're very powerful in D.C.
00:19:47.000 So I think if we can get away from that, have more transparency, and then really be in touch with our voter base.
00:19:54.000 I mean, one of the reasons why we did well is because our base voters knew the governor's going to do the right thing.
00:20:00.000 I trust him.
00:20:01.000 He's got our back.
00:20:02.000 There's not a lot of trust between the grassroots and the RNC up in D.C. In fact, when I would do fundraising, I'd raise money for the Republican Party of Florida.
00:20:11.000 We would do good, but if I did a fundraising for me instead of for the party, we'd raise much more money because they trust the people that they see doing the job.
00:20:21.000 When you start talking about Republican Party apparatus, a lot of our voters are like, yeah, I don't know about that.
00:20:27.000 So we need to restore that trust because ultimately you want to have an organization that's going to be able to help in a lot of these key races.
00:20:35.000 It's very important.
00:20:36.000 Is it time for us to embrace early voting, in-person early voting, ballot harvesting?
00:20:44.000 That was actually, in some ways, a separating characteristic of your campaign.
00:20:48.000 You did really well with in-person early voting.
00:20:49.000 So here's the thing.
00:20:50.000 Florida, I work with the legislature.
00:20:52.000 We ban ballot harvesting.
00:20:54.000 I don't think you should have ballot harvesting.
00:20:56.000 We ban zucker bucks. 1.00
00:20:58.000 I don't think you should have zucker bucks. 1.00
00:21:00.000 However, if it's legal in your state, you've got to exploit the rules as they exist.
00:21:06.000 So in Nevada, if it's legal, Republicans need to have a ballot harvesting operation in these rural counties.
00:21:12.000 I would do Zuckerbucks in these places. 0.97
00:21:14.000 I think Zuckerbucks is corrupt as hell.
00:21:16.000 But if it's legal and the Democrats are doing it, why aren't we doing it?
00:21:20.000 So I would say whatever, fight for whatever election reforms you think matter.
00:21:24.000 And I would say ban ballot harvesting, do all that.
00:21:26.000 But if it's not banned, you need to do it because otherwise we're fighting with one hand tied behind our back.
00:21:32.000 If you have early voting, we need to tell people to vote as soon as they can.
00:21:37.000 And if you have absentee ballots, you need to tell voters to return absentee ballots.
00:21:41.000 And we did that in Florida.
00:21:43.000 And I'll tell you, a lot of the low props who we ended up getting to come out, a lot of them voted with absentee ballots.
00:21:49.000 So whatever the rules are, I think we need to go to the hilt on all of it because there's some people that may not go to a polling place, but maybe they'd be willing to put something in the mail.
00:21:58.000 Now you can support reforms.
00:22:00.000 I don't think you should have mass mail balloting.
00:22:03.000 And I would even say, you know, early voting, even though we did very well, I kind of like Election Day.
00:22:08.000 But whatever the rules are, do whatever you can to maximize your performance.
00:22:13.000 To hear the entire conversation with Governor Ron DeSantis, you guys can hear it on the wonderful Real America's Voice and also the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.
00:22:23.000 And so let me just welcome the program, Congressman Matt Gates.
00:22:26.000 Matt, welcome to the program.
00:22:27.000 All right.
00:22:28.000 Well, you know, I know my wife saw you in Tallahassee the other day and was thrilled that you were there.
00:22:33.000 And what a great conversation you had with our governor.
00:22:36.000 That's right.
00:22:37.000 It was.
00:22:37.000 And he is calling for change at the RNC, which I am thankful that he did.
00:22:43.000 And that entire interview will be posted.
00:22:46.000 And I think it could not come at a more important time.
00:22:51.000 Matt, two minutes.
00:22:52.000 The floor is yours.
00:22:54.000 Talk about the FBI guy that was investigating the Russia hoax and then himself gets arrested for dealing with a Russian oligarch.
00:23:02.000 The floor is yours.
00:23:04.000 That's right.
00:23:04.000 Charles McGonagall did the original intake as part of the five eyes intelligence that emerged from a London pub with George Papadopoulos, something we believe was a setup, but they needed someone to receive the setup.
00:23:18.000 This guy, McGonagall, was working in the DC office of the FBI at that time, does the intake, ignites the corrupt Russia hoax.
00:23:27.000 Then McGonagall gets promoted by none other than Jim Comey to one of the senior counterintelligence posts in the entire FBI, that is the head, the special agent in charge of counterintelligence at the New York field office.
00:23:42.000 While working there, he's supposed to be going after people like corrupt oligarch Oleg Daripaska.
00:23:50.000 Daripasca is in the business of compromising our politicians, moving this kleptocracy of Russia into the American economy by avoiding sanctions, money laundering, all kind of malign activity. 0.96
00:24:03.000 He's actually a person of special significance that our intelligence community monitors.
00:24:07.000 So McGonagall's supposed to be going after this guy.
00:24:11.000 And at some point, he starts working for him, taking money from him, setting up a Shell corporation, getting a fake name, getting a cell phone under a fake name in this shell corporation, and works to try to evade U.S. sanctions, launder money, and execute on the whims of Oleg Daripaska against other Russian oligarchs that Daripasca wants to generate offense against.
00:24:38.000 Now, in the charging document, in the indictment, the Department of Justice tries to do a lot of work to say, well, you know, McGonagall was basically a boy scout when he worked for us and when he had these senior positions, he only turned into a bad guy after he left the employ of the FBI.
00:24:55.000 But there are two key facts that are kind of buried in the indictment.
00:24:59.000 First, the Shell corporation that ended up doing what the indictment alleges is illegal money laundering was set up while McGonagall was the special agent in charge of counterintelligence in the New York field office.
00:25:14.000 And second, there was an ally of Daripasca who wanted his daughter to get an internship at the NYPD, and McGonagall was setting it up. 0.86
00:25:24.000 So he had already been turned.
00:25:26.000 He was already perceiving these corrupt influences.
00:25:30.000 And you have the investigators themselves that were engaging in the activity that they were accusing Donald Trump of.
00:25:37.000 It should be the biggest story in America, in American law enforcement, but the media is largely ignoring it.
00:25:42.000 Well, now that we know that one of the senior counterintelligence officials that was supposed to be hunting for spies from foreign lands actually ended up getting turned, we have to do an assessment as to what damage that caused.
00:25:55.000 Were there investigations that were not properly resourced because some Russian oligarch was pulling the strings on our own FBI?
00:26:02.000 Were there things that got advanced so that these Russian interests could have leverage against another business entity or an American or even a Russian in the United States or around the world?
00:26:13.000 And so I think that we have to look at the decisions that this person made.
00:26:16.000 Jim Jordan and I have demanded that Christopher Wray come and brief on this matter.
00:26:21.000 And I could tell you, we do have questions about the various trigger points at the very beginning of the Trump-Russia hoax, where this should have been dispensed with summarily.
00:26:31.000 Instead, it developed into this multi-year attack on our country and on the institution of the presidency.
00:26:36.000 And I want to know who was accelerating that?
00:26:39.000 Who was trying to turn this political dirt, this Russian dirt into counterintelligence information and into criminal investigations?
00:26:48.000 Because that should never happen in our country.
00:26:51.000 And we are starting to see how corrupt specifically the people that work for the FBI in Washington, D.C. are.
00:26:58.000 I think there are a lot of brave and patriotic Americans who want to be a part of law enforcement and who serve the FBI all across our country.
00:27:05.000 That's why I think Dan Bishop's proposal, Congressman who's on the judiciary committee with me, to break up the FBI and to put the FBI under the jurisdictions of the U.S. attorneys who actually have to be confirmed by the Senate.
00:27:19.000 That would decentralize the apparatus.
00:27:22.000 That would be a shock to, I think, the swamp monster that the J. Edgar Hoover building has become.
00:27:28.000 And I think it would allow us to meet the law enforcement needs of the country without the people in the FBI thinking that the best way to move ahead in your career is to engage in politics rather than law enforcement.
00:27:40.000 Matt Gates, what is your reaction then to Mike Pence being investigated by for the document mishandling?
00:27:49.000 Matt's, what's your reaction?
00:27:51.000 I've never really been here for the document drama.
00:27:53.000 I said back in September, Charlie, that probably every presidential library in the country and every library collected by presidents, vice presidents, secretaries of state, probably there's some lack of compliance with some technical provision of the Records Act.
00:28:10.000 Now, if these Biden documents have to do with burisma or China, and they were at the Biden Penn Center that was funded by China, I mean, there's an over half million dollar donation to the Biden Penn Center directly from an entity that runs China's Thousand Talents program, which our own intelligence community has assessed is part of their intellectual property theft regime run by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:28:35.000 So if it has to do with those substantive matters, then all bets are off.
00:28:39.000 And it's treason.
00:28:40.000 It would be treason of Joe Biden to take classified documents and give them to Chinese operatives or our operatives paid for by China for money to the Biden Penn Center.
00:28:52.000 Let's be very clear about that.
00:28:53.000 But if this is like, you know, some correspondence or some, you know, briefing materials from yesteryear that never had any relevance at the point at which they were taken out, I don't think that this is like, you know, the crime of the century, whether they're talking about Trump or Biden or Pence.
00:29:10.000 Matt Gates, 30 seconds remaining.
00:29:12.000 Your thought on Adam Schiff running for the United States Senate seat in California.
00:29:16.000 Well, I guess not being on the intelligence committee gives Adam Schiff a little more time.
00:29:21.000 That's going to be a very interesting field.
00:29:22.000 Katie Porter has entered the field.
00:29:24.000 And remember, California has become such a machine state.
00:29:27.000 There hasn't been a real open opportunity for a Senate seat like this.
00:29:30.000 Adam Schiff is my least favorite member of Congress.
00:29:33.000 He is the least ethical member of Congress.
00:29:35.000 He should be defeated in the primary, if not that, the general.
00:29:38.000 But it would be interesting to see Roe Conna run for the U.S. Senate, right?
00:29:42.000 I mean, he's somebody who works with Republicans on populist issues.
00:29:46.000 He obviously disagrees with us on more issues than that.
00:29:49.000 But hey, Roe Conna will at least take a phone call if you're independent-minded, if you're Republican, and if you have an idea that he thinks he can work with you on to save the country.
00:29:58.000 So I'd love to see Conna get in that race and whoop shift. 0.99
00:30:03.000 Very good.
00:30:03.000 Matt, thank you so much.
00:30:05.000 Talk to you soon.
00:30:05.000 Appreciate it.
00:30:06.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:30:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:30:09.000 Email me your thoughts as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
00:30:12.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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