00:00:36.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
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00:01:06.000Typically, I am not in favor of regime change.
00:01:10.000You know, typically, I think that it's wrong to try to go in and try to replace one leader and say that you know that things can work better than the other.
00:01:19.000It didn't work well in Libya, didn't work well in Syria, didn't work well in Iraq.
00:01:22.000But this is a regime change that I completely and totally support.
00:01:36.000Whoever ends up being the opposition candidate, I am going to be 100% and enthusiastically behind, whomever that is.
00:01:44.00098% of our attendees that came to the Turning Point Action event at AmericaFest back in December, 98% of them said that they want change at the Republican National Committee.
00:01:55.000Now, some of you are probably wondering, Charlie, why are you focusing so much on the RNC race?
00:01:59.000For what reason are you focusing on the GOP?
00:02:04.000And the answer is yes, it does matter.
00:02:06.000The FEC, the Federal Election Commission, which is the federal body that regulates elections, has some very specific provisions that state that national party committees are able to follow that allow them to do certain activities, coordination efforts with campaigns and with candidates that outside super PACs, that outside other organizations are not able to do.
00:02:32.000So, for example, we run Turning Point Action.
00:02:40.000We do our best to try to move the dial.
00:02:42.000But all things being equal, Turning Point Action is a $4 to $5 million operation, nothing massive compared to the $500 million that Soros and these other people pump into some of these super PACs.
00:02:53.000But at Turning Point Action, it is forbidden for us at Turning Point Action to share data, resources, messaging, information with candidates, with campaigns.
00:03:05.000So for example, if you have Dog Catcher running for Senate in, let's just say Joe Smith running for Senate in Wyoming, Turning Point Action, we are not able to talk to that candidate about strategy.
00:03:18.000We're not able to share best practices.
00:03:20.000We have to operate as what is called an outside group.
00:03:23.000Now, outside groups can still make a big difference, but it is forbidden by law for us to be able to pick up the phone and have a meeting and say, hey, here's some data.
00:04:35.000What messaging is going to work or not going to work?
00:04:40.000So the RNC, at its best, should operate as a central hub, a clearinghouse, to be able to get data, volunteer strategy, grassroots, fundraising, small-dollar donors.
00:04:57.000We will not win in 2024 if we first don't clean up our elections, and that's why we need an actual functioning RNC, to make sure that we do not continue to have the sabotage and the ambush campaigns that plague our great candidates like Kerry Lake and many others.
00:05:13.000But secondly, if we do not have an RNC that is deploying resources prudently and properly, that is understanding the need to energize voters with proper messaging, done correctly and properly, a functioning RNC can work in harmony with some of our best candidates, including if Donald Trump is the nominee in 2024.
00:05:36.000Whoever the nominee is in 2024, we need to have an RNC that is able to work in tandem with whomever that candidate is.
00:05:44.000I do not have faith that the current RNC regime will be able to get our movement, the America First Movement, back into the White House in 2024.
00:05:58.000And I know a lot of you feel the same way.
00:06:00.000But that's just one example of several of why this matters so much.
00:06:04.000There is a technical reason, and the technical reason I just laid out for you.
00:06:08.000But in Harmet Dillon has made some promises.
00:06:10.000Mike Lindell has made several similar promises.
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00:12:42.000I'm sure that there's a place for ambition and all this in the broader calculus.
00:12:48.000But why on earth are we going to keep on rewarding somebody that does not deliver the desired objective, especially one that spends $17 million on donor gifts, especially one that spent $700,000 on flowers?
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00:15:50.000This is a little, this just happened just minutes ago.
00:15:52.000Governor Ron DeSantis' take on the upcoming RNC race.
00:15:58.000And just for the record, Donald Trump is remaining neutral on the race.
00:16:03.000But you're about to hear Governor DeSantis is not remaining neutral.
00:16:06.000He's listening to you, and he says it's time for a change.
00:16:10.000Right now, the RNC is meeting in Dana Point, California.
00:16:14.000And there are some questions of who should lead the RNC and whether it should be Rana for a fourth term or go a different direction with Harmeet Dillon.
00:16:24.000Well, we've had three substandard election cycles in a row, 18, 20, and 22.
00:16:31.000And I would say of all three of those, 22 was probably the worst given the political environment of a very unpopular president in Biden.
00:16:40.000Huge majorities of the people think the country's going in the wrong direction.
00:16:44.000That is an environment that's tailor-made to make big gains in the House and the Senate and state houses all across the country, and yet that didn't happen.
00:16:54.000And in fact, we even lost ground in the U.S. Senate.
00:16:56.000And so, you know, I think we need a change.
00:16:59.000I think we need to get some new blood in the RNC.
00:17:02.000I like what Harmeet Dillon has said about getting the RNC out of D.C. Why would you want to have your headquarters in the most Democrat city in America?
00:17:14.000It's more Democrat than San Francisco is.
00:17:16.000So I think you get it in real parts of the country.
00:17:20.000You attract people who want to live in those parts of the country, not D.C. insiders.
00:17:25.000But I do think we need some fresh thinking.
00:17:26.000And here's the thing, just practically speaking, you need grassroots Republicans to power this organization with volunteering and donations.
00:17:38.000I think it's going to be very difficult to energize people to want to give money, to want to volunteer their time with the RNC if they don't see a change in direction.
00:17:47.000Do you have any personal experience with the RNC?
00:17:50.000I mean, because they'll say that Florida was one of their great successes this last cycle.
00:17:55.000So we actually ran our election assuming we weren't going to be involved with the RNC at all because they weren't raising the type of money that they needed to be raising.
00:18:05.000And so our get out the vote, our ground operation, we funded that.
00:18:09.000We focused a lot on actually low propensity voters and we turned out a lot of low props, which is very, very good.
00:18:40.000Why are we going to, why are we going to put our foot on the gas and accelerate in a direction that is really against us?
00:18:46.000And I would just say hey, look at Florida, maybe Florida's, you know a path forward that actually could show us, you know, how we could do things.
00:18:53.000And so, just kind of closing thought on that, the members are meeting and you've said you know it's time for a change.
00:19:00.000What other ideas do you think the, The RNC, could embrace?
00:19:03.000you know, regardless of who wins, to actually have a path forward that can achieve victory.
00:19:08.000It needs to be less consultant-driven.
00:19:10.000Okay, this money that's going in needs to go to ultimately winning elections and not to be lining the pocket of so many consultants.
00:19:35.000But you can't have incentives to where the campaigns and the operations are run with an eye to putting more money in the pocket of the consultant class.
00:19:44.000And obviously, they're very powerful in D.C.
00:19:47.000So I think if we can get away from that, have more transparency, and then really be in touch with our voter base.
00:19:54.000I mean, one of the reasons why we did well is because our base voters knew the governor's going to do the right thing.
00:20:02.000There's not a lot of trust between the grassroots and the RNC up in D.C. In fact, when I would do fundraising, I'd raise money for the Republican Party of Florida.
00:20:11.000We would do good, but if I did a fundraising for me instead of for the party, we'd raise much more money because they trust the people that they see doing the job.
00:20:21.000When you start talking about Republican Party apparatus, a lot of our voters are like, yeah, I don't know about that.
00:20:27.000So we need to restore that trust because ultimately you want to have an organization that's going to be able to help in a lot of these key races.
00:21:43.000And I'll tell you, a lot of the low props who we ended up getting to come out, a lot of them voted with absentee ballots.
00:21:49.000So whatever the rules are, I think we need to go to the hilt on all of it because there's some people that may not go to a polling place, but maybe they'd be willing to put something in the mail.
00:22:00.000I don't think you should have mass mail balloting.
00:22:03.000And I would even say, you know, early voting, even though we did very well, I kind of like Election Day.
00:22:08.000But whatever the rules are, do whatever you can to maximize your performance.
00:22:13.000To hear the entire conversation with Governor Ron DeSantis, you guys can hear it on the wonderful Real America's Voice and also the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.
00:22:23.000And so let me just welcome the program, Congressman Matt Gates.
00:23:04.000Charles McGonagall did the original intake as part of the five eyes intelligence that emerged from a London pub with George Papadopoulos, something we believe was a setup, but they needed someone to receive the setup.
00:23:18.000This guy, McGonagall, was working in the DC office of the FBI at that time, does the intake, ignites the corrupt Russia hoax.
00:23:27.000Then McGonagall gets promoted by none other than Jim Comey to one of the senior counterintelligence posts in the entire FBI, that is the head, the special agent in charge of counterintelligence at the New York field office.
00:23:42.000While working there, he's supposed to be going after people like corrupt oligarch Oleg Daripaska.
00:23:50.000Daripasca is in the business of compromising our politicians, moving this kleptocracy of Russia into the American economy by avoiding sanctions, money laundering, all kind of malign activity.
00:24:03.000He's actually a person of special significance that our intelligence community monitors.
00:24:07.000So McGonagall's supposed to be going after this guy.
00:24:11.000And at some point, he starts working for him, taking money from him, setting up a Shell corporation, getting a fake name, getting a cell phone under a fake name in this shell corporation, and works to try to evade U.S. sanctions, launder money, and execute on the whims of Oleg Daripaska against other Russian oligarchs that Daripasca wants to generate offense against.
00:24:38.000Now, in the charging document, in the indictment, the Department of Justice tries to do a lot of work to say, well, you know, McGonagall was basically a boy scout when he worked for us and when he had these senior positions, he only turned into a bad guy after he left the employ of the FBI.
00:24:55.000But there are two key facts that are kind of buried in the indictment.
00:24:59.000First, the Shell corporation that ended up doing what the indictment alleges is illegal money laundering was set up while McGonagall was the special agent in charge of counterintelligence in the New York field office.
00:25:14.000And second, there was an ally of Daripasca who wanted his daughter to get an internship at the NYPD, and McGonagall was setting it up.
00:25:26.000He was already perceiving these corrupt influences.
00:25:30.000And you have the investigators themselves that were engaging in the activity that they were accusing Donald Trump of.
00:25:37.000It should be the biggest story in America, in American law enforcement, but the media is largely ignoring it.
00:25:42.000Well, now that we know that one of the senior counterintelligence officials that was supposed to be hunting for spies from foreign lands actually ended up getting turned, we have to do an assessment as to what damage that caused.
00:25:55.000Were there investigations that were not properly resourced because some Russian oligarch was pulling the strings on our own FBI?
00:26:02.000Were there things that got advanced so that these Russian interests could have leverage against another business entity or an American or even a Russian in the United States or around the world?
00:26:13.000And so I think that we have to look at the decisions that this person made.
00:26:16.000Jim Jordan and I have demanded that Christopher Wray come and brief on this matter.
00:26:21.000And I could tell you, we do have questions about the various trigger points at the very beginning of the Trump-Russia hoax, where this should have been dispensed with summarily.
00:26:31.000Instead, it developed into this multi-year attack on our country and on the institution of the presidency.
00:26:36.000And I want to know who was accelerating that?
00:26:39.000Who was trying to turn this political dirt, this Russian dirt into counterintelligence information and into criminal investigations?
00:26:48.000Because that should never happen in our country.
00:26:51.000And we are starting to see how corrupt specifically the people that work for the FBI in Washington, D.C. are.
00:26:58.000I think there are a lot of brave and patriotic Americans who want to be a part of law enforcement and who serve the FBI all across our country.
00:27:05.000That's why I think Dan Bishop's proposal, Congressman who's on the judiciary committee with me, to break up the FBI and to put the FBI under the jurisdictions of the U.S. attorneys who actually have to be confirmed by the Senate.
00:27:19.000That would decentralize the apparatus.
00:27:22.000That would be a shock to, I think, the swamp monster that the J. Edgar Hoover building has become.
00:27:28.000And I think it would allow us to meet the law enforcement needs of the country without the people in the FBI thinking that the best way to move ahead in your career is to engage in politics rather than law enforcement.
00:27:40.000Matt Gates, what is your reaction then to Mike Pence being investigated by for the document mishandling?
00:27:51.000I've never really been here for the document drama.
00:27:53.000I said back in September, Charlie, that probably every presidential library in the country and every library collected by presidents, vice presidents, secretaries of state, probably there's some lack of compliance with some technical provision of the Records Act.
00:28:10.000Now, if these Biden documents have to do with burisma or China, and they were at the Biden Penn Center that was funded by China, I mean, there's an over half million dollar donation to the Biden Penn Center directly from an entity that runs China's Thousand Talents program, which our own intelligence community has assessed is part of their intellectual property theft regime run by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:28:35.000So if it has to do with those substantive matters, then all bets are off.
00:28:40.000It would be treason of Joe Biden to take classified documents and give them to Chinese operatives or our operatives paid for by China for money to the Biden Penn Center.
00:28:53.000But if this is like, you know, some correspondence or some, you know, briefing materials from yesteryear that never had any relevance at the point at which they were taken out, I don't think that this is like, you know, the crime of the century, whether they're talking about Trump or Biden or Pence.
00:29:24.000And remember, California has become such a machine state.
00:29:27.000There hasn't been a real open opportunity for a Senate seat like this.
00:29:30.000Adam Schiff is my least favorite member of Congress.
00:29:33.000He is the least ethical member of Congress.
00:29:35.000He should be defeated in the primary, if not that, the general.
00:29:38.000But it would be interesting to see Roe Conna run for the U.S. Senate, right?
00:29:42.000I mean, he's somebody who works with Republicans on populist issues.
00:29:46.000He obviously disagrees with us on more issues than that.
00:29:49.000But hey, Roe Conna will at least take a phone call if you're independent-minded, if you're Republican, and if you have an idea that he thinks he can work with you on to save the country.
00:29:58.000So I'd love to see Conna get in that race and whoop shift.