00:00:00.000Today on the Charlie Kirk show, one of the most interesting conversations I have had in quite some time.
00:00:05.000Steve Kirsch, a $20 million Democrat donor, is leaving the Democrat Party over an issue that might surprise you or might not surprise you, the vaccine.
00:00:16.000Steve Kirsch is one of America's most successful entrepreneurs, and you will learn something in this episode, one of my favorite conversations I've had recently.
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00:01:23.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:31.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:01.000There's a lot of things I want to cover with you here.
00:02:03.000The first of which caught my attention, your team sent this over, is kind of an interesting thing where you say that the American left or the Democrat Party no longer shares your values, that you're a $20 million donor to the Democrat Party and that you might jump ship.
00:02:24.000Well, I can't speak to any member of the Democratic Party.
00:02:29.000I mean, I've given over 20 million to the party, say, in the last 20 years, and I can't get a return phone call.
00:02:40.000I cannot get anybody on the phone to talk about what's happening with the vaccine that I've contributed to, or, you know, even candidates that I haven't.
00:02:51.000Nobody will talk to me in the Democratic Party.
00:02:54.000The only return calls I get are from people like Senator Johnson in the Republican Party.
00:03:00.000And no Democrat will want to face the facts about the vaccines and the safeties and the safety signals that are in plain sight.
00:03:28.000Why do you think that it's more people on the center right or conservatives that are willing to entertain just some sort of, let's say, heterodox opinion on the vaccine than people on the left of the Democrat Party?
00:03:44.000I think the people on the left are much more trusting of authority.
00:03:50.000And that's what gets you into real problems here because, you know, I was trusting of authority too.
00:03:56.000That's why I got my two doses of Moderna back in March of 2021 when it first rolled out, because I had complete trust in the authority and the government.
00:04:10.000And I think that's probably true of a lot of people on the left.
00:06:49.000There's one part of the question I asked, which is, why do you think that they were more trusting?
00:06:53.000But you answered it, I think, perfectly, which is, you're right.
00:06:56.000Conservatives generally have more distrust in centralized control and big institutions.
00:07:02.000But there's a second part of it that you just touched on.
00:07:05.000Why is it that the left is unwilling to adjust when the data is so clearly showing them something different, also engage in a nonstop campaign of censorship?
00:07:22.000Well, because this is the biggest fraud in American history and they can't have it come down on them because it makes the Democrats look very bad for pushing this.
00:07:35.000So nobody wants to confront the truth because it will destroy the credibility of the Democratic Party.
00:07:41.000It will destroy our trust in the medical community.
00:07:45.000It will destroy our trust in the FDA, NIH, and CDC.
00:07:49.000And it will destroy our trust in the mainstream media who has not been reporting any of this.
00:07:55.000And it destroys our trust in all members, you know, in almost all members of Congress as well, because it's only Ron Johnson and maybe a few others that are really speaking out about this.
00:08:06.000And the most tragic thing, Charlie, is the vaccine injured.
00:08:10.000Now, we just did a survey, and also there's a Zogby survey that Children's Health Defense just did.
00:08:18.000And Children's Health Defense found in their survey, 10% of people have buyers' remorse on getting the vaccine.
00:08:37.000And so all of these surveys are showing 25 million vaccine injured in America today.
00:08:42.000And the NIH, the guy at the NIH, Dr. NAF, who is responsible for looking into vaccine injury, says there's no connection between the vaccine and these injuries.
00:08:53.000And I have been trying to get in touch with him for a long time.
00:09:02.000He ignores all the emails from my followers.
00:09:04.000He will not go and do a conversation with me to explain how these people can go from perfectly healthy to having 86 symptoms that are associated with vaccine injured.
00:09:18.000You go from zero to 86 after you get the vaccine.
00:09:21.000You're perfectly healthy before, and now you have 86 symptoms.
00:09:25.000So, you know, these are symptoms like bleeding behind your eyeballs.
00:09:30.000I mean, these are not stuff that, I mean, I looked at the symptom list and I don't have any of these symptoms.
00:09:36.000And so for someone to go from zero to 86 symptoms right after they get the vaccine and there's no connection, you know, these people are hiding massive numbers of injuries.
00:10:00.000He had 200 people attend his wedding and he reported that 33 of them are injured.
00:10:08.000And people who follow who he invites to his wedding, Wayne Root's conservative talk show host, the people who he invited in the wedding are mostly unvaccinated.
00:10:19.000Well, he found out that all 33 people he talked to who reported injuries, all of them were vaccinated.
00:12:03.000So, Steve, you and I are similar in the sense that we just followed the data and we followed stories and we just kind of said, well, this doesn't really seem to fit.
00:12:13.000What did you expect before speaking out on this topic?
00:12:50.000And you should correct your thinking because you missed this point.
00:12:54.000And, you know, there are some legitimate things.
00:12:57.000You know, if there is some seasonality on all-cause mortality, for example, that most people aren't aware of, that could explain some things.
00:13:07.000But you see, the signals here were so massive.
00:13:52.000And so this was the reaction that I got.
00:13:56.000And I had expected when you have differing scientific views, that scientists normally will debate you and explain to you or figure out why you think the way you do and explain to you why you're wrong.
00:14:15.000We have been reaching out to everybody.
00:14:17.000Most recently, we've been reaching out to the CDC saying, hey, all of us misinformation spreaders are happy to stop spreading misinformation if, in fact, it's not misinformation.
00:14:29.000And so all we need is a meeting with you and you can stop the misinformation in a heartbeat.
00:14:34.000You have been spending lots of time, lots of money, and lots of resources on doing this.
00:14:54.000There are too many people that are resigning from the CDC and FDA.
00:14:59.000And I reached out to Mirian Gruber from the FDA, for example, and there's no return phone call.
00:15:07.000You can't speak to these people once they leave.
00:15:10.000It's basically they want that they're disgusted.
00:15:14.000They leave and they won't talk to anybody, you know, even people on our side, because they don't want to just get involved.
00:15:22.000They just basically want nothing to do with it.
00:15:25.000So we're getting reports of this from all over, and I'm sure they know what's going on because they can't possibly not know because they're ducking out of everything.
00:18:17.000When you have a situation, and I did the estimates of the number of Americans that have been killed by these vaccines, and the numbers at the time came out to be over 100,000.
00:18:28.000And now it's over 500,000 Americans that have been killed by the vaccine.
00:18:32.000And so when you have a situation like this and you know about it and you turn your back on it and say, hey, I'm going to live a normal life and I'm going to keep my friends and I'm not going to say anything.
00:18:43.000I'm not the kind of person who could live with myself doing that.
00:18:47.000And there came a time when I had to decide between being a CEO of a company that I started and making potentially millions of dollars doing that versus doing the right thing to use the money that I've earned and use that in an effort to expose the truth.
00:19:08.000And I didn't have to think very long in making that decision.
00:19:12.000And so I quit my job and basically left everything on the table to go and do this because it's the right thing to do.
00:19:22.000And there are a lot of courageous people that have done similar things, maybe not with the same economics as what I did.
00:19:31.000But, you know, Brett Weinstein, he did the same thing.
00:19:37.000When I discovered this, I reached out to Brett and proposed that I go on his show with Robert Malone, and we exposed this.
00:19:47.000And Brett spent a lot of time looking at the science and saying, look, if we do this, I'm only willing to do this if your science is solid.
00:19:59.000And if it is, I'm willing to risk my career and be demonetized by YouTube, which he was.
00:20:56.000He's spent, I don't know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees.
00:21:02.000So these are all very courageous people.
00:21:05.000All the people that speak out are very courageous because they risk their jobs, their medical licenses, their hospital privileges, their credibility, and so forth just to speak out.
00:21:17.000So I'm happy to be a part of that team.
00:21:21.000And I have never regretted that decision.
00:21:25.000Something I learned in life is that the truth is usually found in those who are willing to sacrifice for it.
00:21:31.000Usually, that's a general rule of life, that the people that are willing to take financial or social hits, they usually have figured something out that the rest of us probably should pay attention to.
00:21:43.000There's exceptions to that, obviously.
00:21:46.000You know, like, for example, people that do airplanes into towers, that's an exception.
00:22:10.000They get cable television appearances.
00:22:12.000So Steve, for some of our audience that haven't heard you before, heard some of this data, and they're probably compelled by some of the things you've been saying so far, walk us through in detail, how much damage has this vaccine done?
00:22:27.000Well, you know, I think the biggest thing is the deaths.
00:22:33.000And if you look at the Veris numbers, you'll see numbers like 25,000, but you have to flip the switch.
00:22:39.000If you go to OpenVerus, I think it's .com.
00:22:43.000You have to flip the switch to just look at the U.S. numbers.
00:22:45.000The U.S. numbers are around 13,000 in VARES, but you have to realize that Veris is underreported by a factor of about 41.
00:22:52.000So you take 41, multiply that by 12,000, and you get over 500,000 Americans who have lost their lives to the vaccine.
00:23:00.000Now, people would say, oh, Veris, that's unreliable.
00:23:04.000You can't calculate this 41 number from anaphylaxis because deaths will be reported more than anaphylaxis and so forth.
00:23:12.000And so there's all sorts of people will do these hand, what we call hand-waving arguments, meaning they have no data behind them.
00:23:20.000They're just done to obscure the real data.
00:23:25.000But you see, when we do the surveys, when we do outreach surveys, and we've done it with five different companies now, and we ask people, how many people in your household have been killed by COVID, died from COVID?
00:23:45.000we will get up to like three times more people saying that that have died from the vaccine than have died from COVID.
00:23:54.000Now, if you believe that a million people have died from the vaccine, then that's 3 million people that have died.
00:24:00.000Sorry, if a million people have died from COVID, then that means that 3 million people, and the surveys may not be super accurate, but order of magnitude, suggests that at least a million people have died from the vaccine.
00:24:16.000So this number of 500,000 that we get from VERIS is confirmed when we do actual outreach and polling to people.
00:24:24.000And it's also confirmed with the anecdotes.
00:24:26.000And there's one thing about anecdotes.
00:25:23.000In fact, there was a former New York Times reporter who asked the CDC, hey, can you show us the under-reporting factor that you calculated?
00:25:50.000And so then you go to the VERAS data and you know how many people have been vaccinated and you know how many VERIS reports you got for anaphylaxis and you say, oh my gosh, that is a factor of 41 underreported.
00:26:01.000So clearly we're only seeing a small fraction of it.
00:26:05.000Now for deaths, deaths are typically less reported than anaphylaxis is because anaphylaxis is obvious.
00:26:14.000When you have anaphylaxis, it happens right after you get the shot.
00:26:19.000You can see the anaphylaxis reaction and you have to report it.
00:26:23.000But if you see a death, it could be a death from a car accident.
00:26:26.000And so you're not going to report it because you don't know that the person blacked out because of the vaccine.
00:26:31.000You know, just like people are dropping dead in plain sight, you know, they're a comedian and they're talking and they suddenly just keel over and either die or are unconscious.
00:26:43.000And so that can lead to all of these sort of bike accidents or other accidents that happen, car accidents that happen that are not attributed.
00:26:53.000And nobody even knows their vaccination status of the bodies.
00:26:56.000And typically these medical examiners do not have the vaccination status.
00:27:01.000So people are not able to report the deaths as well as they are something like anaphylaxis.
00:27:09.000So it's at least 40 times underreported and probably more, which says that there are at least a half a million deaths.
00:27:18.000And that's just from VERES alone, but it's confirmed with the polling data that shows it's probably more like a million people have been killed.
00:27:24.000And we've seen for the disability roles, we've seen it go up by millions since the vaccines rolled out.
00:27:32.000And we have the Medicare all-cause mortality deaths are at an all-time high.
00:27:37.000And the CDC refuses to show the American people the Medicare all-cause mortality numbers because they're through the roof.
00:27:47.000Any data that is bad is not going to be shown to us.
00:27:50.000So let me ask you, how does that square with the German Ministry of Health numbers that came out where they admitted one out of 5,000 people were getting their COVID shot is experiencing a serious side effect?
00:28:02.000Do the numbers correlate or does it at least lead in a general direction of suspicion?
00:28:08.000You know, the Israeli government did their survey, their outreach survey.
00:28:13.000They didn't put it on their website in any place that people could see it.
00:28:17.000They posted it only to their Telegram channel.
00:28:20.000And their survey showed, for example, 4% had neurological damage after the vaccine.
00:28:28.000So this is the Israeli government survey showing 4% for neurological damage alone was 4%.
00:28:38.000So this lends credibility to surveys that show a 10% vaccine injury from all causes, like what Children's Health Defense got from the Zogby poll and the 11% and 13% vaccine injury rate that we got on our polls.
00:28:59.000And so these numbers are simply through the roof.
00:29:03.000And even the anecdotes that I get, like I got an anecdote from one of the Monte Vista Christian School in Watsonville, California.
00:29:14.000And they had at least four vaccine injured.
00:29:17.000And they have like 800 kids total, 400 are boys.
00:29:22.000So you're looking at a huge rate of myocarditis, which is much, much greater in real life than what they're telling you.
00:29:31.000And I'm hearing the same stories from people in the military.
00:29:35.000These military surgeons are saying that it's probably somewhere between 1 and 4% of these pilots who have myocarditis because of the shots.
00:29:47.000So the numbers that you're hearing from the officials simply do not match what the numbers are that you're seeing very consistently from all of the anecdotes.
00:29:58.000Steve, tell our audience a little about your organization that you are involved with.
00:30:03.000I started the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation to try to get the word out on what's going on.
00:30:26.000And tonight, we have a pediatrician who is vaccine injured, who is speaking out and risking getting her medical license revoked for speaking out.
00:30:37.000And we have a college student who was anxious to get the vaccine, got the vaccine, and quickly realized that that was the biggest mistake of her life.
00:31:22.000So we're seeing the articles from people like Marty McCary, who Used to be a big supporter of the vaccines, and now he's writing articles on how people at the CDC and FDA are bailing out because they can't stand the hypocrisy anymore of what's going on.
00:31:43.000And of course, Vinay Prasad has always been outspoken about what the truth is.
00:31:50.000I'd like to red pill him more on the vaccine, but at least he calls out these fraudulent CDC studies.
00:31:58.000So it's nice to have someone in what is considered the mainstream medical community, a UCSF professor, calling the CDC out when they do bad stuff.
00:32:09.000So, you know, that certainly makes it easier for other people to come out.
00:32:14.000But it's hard because unless everybody sort of comes out en masse, what happens is anyone who comes out just gets just totally hammered.
00:32:24.000And so this prevents anyone from speaking out.
00:32:27.000And I've talked even to hospital CEOs.
00:32:30.000I said, hey, instead of punishing your doctors who speak out, why don't you reward them?
00:32:34.000And the hospital CEO said, hey, can't do that because I would be fired if I didn't fire them.
00:32:42.000So the whole thing is this circle of trust where the doctors always trust the CDC and they always trust these fraudulent phase three trials because phase three trials in their mind is the gold standard.
00:32:59.000And of course, the Pfizer Phase III trial showed that fewer people had significant, sorry, severe adverse event reports who took the vaccine than who took the placebo.
00:33:12.000In other words, the clinical trials showed that the Pfizer vaccine actually is less harmful than a saline shot.
00:33:21.000Now, we know, there is no doubt that that's fraudulent.
00:33:29.000And in fact, Pfizer has even admitted that they defrauded the government in court.
00:33:36.000And they said, but the government was in on it, so it's not considered to be fraud.
00:33:41.000So here you're having Pfizer admitting that they're cooking the books on the data.
00:33:47.000You know, they're not reporting deaths that people who die.
00:33:50.000They're not reporting people who have been permanently crippled correctly.
00:33:56.000They're reporting them as mild abdominal distress as opposed to, well, she's permanently paralyzed, you know, things like this.
00:34:11.000But, you know, people are seeing this stuff happening to their friends, just like Wayne Root, you know, seeing his friends where 200 people to his wedding and maybe half were vaccinated.
00:34:24.000So maybe half of them got the vaccs, 100 people.
00:34:27.000Seven of those of his guests are now dead today.
00:34:32.000That's a 7% death rate in just eight months.
00:34:36.000Just, you know, inexplicable deaths of dropping dead.