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00:02:41.000So you came on my radar probably a year or so ago on social media, and I just started watching like clips of your videos on social issues and politics and the election, all this stuff.
00:02:50.000And you were one of the people that really kind of stuck out as like really knowing his stuff.
00:02:54.000And I know you're a younger guy too, but you've been doing this for years now.
00:02:57.000And you know, the Ben Shapiros of the world, Candace Owens's.
00:03:00.000I really love your take on social issues and politics and just kind of that conservative voice, which I feel like is lost, especially in the younger generation.
00:03:08.000So I'm excited to bring you on, man, especially with all the chaos going on right now with the election and stuff.
00:03:12.000It's a huge privilege to have you on the show today.
00:03:18.000And we've had a good couple years and we're just getting started.
00:03:21.000It's not the best set of circumstances for our country, but we're doing well.
00:03:26.000So I guess that more and more people are going to be seeking out our voice.
00:03:29.000So I want to talk, I want to kind of dive into a bunch of different issues today and sort of jump around.
00:03:34.000But I know you primarily focus on politics, of course, but you also have, like I mentioned, a good conservative voice, especially as a younger guy.
00:03:41.000I believe you're like 27, 28 years old, but you've been doing it.
00:03:44.00027, you've been doing this now for a number of years.
00:04:59.000And I would just ask questions and I would be less than thrilled with some of the answers, such as, if we're such an awful country, why do you still live here?
00:05:05.000I mean, that was kind of a very basic elementary style argument.
00:05:09.000I still make that kind of argument today because it's true.
00:05:12.000And they'd say, oh, well, there's no better place.
00:05:14.000Let's say if there's no better place, then why do you do nothing but complain about it the entire time?
00:05:51.000Got 160 people that work for us at Turning Point USA.
00:05:54.000Have a whole operation at Turning Point Action.
00:05:56.000So we're very busy and we're kind of in the hopefully saving Western civilization business.
00:06:03.000What's your basic premise of Turning Point USA?
00:06:07.000Like, what's the main message you want to get across?
00:06:09.000And you try to tell people when you go on shows like this or Fox News, which I've seen you on a number of times.
00:06:14.000Some of the outlets, like when people are basically asking you what your biggest goal is, what is that?
00:06:20.000Yeah, I mean, it's in some ways the target is always changing kind of based on where the tone and the tenor of the country is of kind of what people will gravitate towards and what they'll absorb.
00:06:32.000I'd say that right now, our main focus is we actually live in the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:06:40.000Understand that and deeply understand our history before you actually decide to post a black square on social media or say something really foolish, you know, politically, because you probably have no idea what you're talking about.
00:06:51.000But if you do that, then you're going to have to contest an interface as to why you want to radically deconstruct this beautiful gift that we've been given.
00:06:59.000And that's really something that's a harder argument to make.
00:07:03.000There's always an inclination towards revolution for upper middle class privileged spoiled brats because they have no idea why they have everything so good around them or even that they have everything so good around them.
00:07:12.000So they find their identity and purpose in the deconstruction of everything that has been given before them.
00:07:17.000And you find this in the upper middle class households of some of the most wealthy neighborhoods in America, whether it be in Greenwich, Connecticut or Beverly Hills, California, Highland Park, Dallas, Palm Beach, Florida, kids that really have upper middle class income levels, they'll tend to be really, really liberal.
00:07:33.000And sometimes their parents are liberal or they'll be more moderately liberal.
00:07:37.000But the point is our kids are way more left-wing.
00:07:40.000It's because they have a guilt complex what they have.
00:07:41.000They've misunderstanding how wealth is created.
00:07:44.000They have no appreciation for this country.
00:07:46.000They think that you can easily centralize and redistribute wealth without any sort of consequences, and that everyone who gets the wealth will immediately be incentivized to go create their own life for themselves, which, of course, is completely wrong and foolish.
00:07:57.000And so, you have all these different things that then happen.
00:07:59.000And basically, my position right now, and I'm not the only one that does this, you mentioned some of the names as well.
00:08:05.000Candace and Ben are really close friends, and they do a great job.
00:08:08.000And everyone kind of has their own unique flavor of how we go about doing this, which I think it makes really exciting of kind of how we approach it.
00:08:14.000And no one's wrong, and no one is incorrect.
00:08:16.000It's just we all have a different way of kind of forming the argument and doing what we do every day.
00:08:20.000And it kind of makes the conservative movement, I think, stronger because of it.
00:08:24.000But kind of where my argument right now is go take responsibility for your actions, spend more time creating and less time complaining.
00:09:24.000There's more and more every day, but it's still small considering the whole population.
00:09:27.000And as someone, you know, like I said, as young as you are and have been doing this for a while, and then you have, you know, combined, you factor that in with the people that you're trying to reach.
00:09:37.000And you reach older people as well, for sure.
00:09:39.000But, you know, as someone kind of getting that younger generation on board with the conservative movement, what's the biggest change that you'd like to make to how things are going right now so that so many younger people aren't sort of brainwashed into that liberal, crazy liberal thing?
00:09:55.000Like, you know, you can be liberal, moderate, liberal, whatever, sort of towards the middle, but like what's going on the past year, couple of years, especially with the Defund the Police and, you know, the Black Lives Matter and the Antifa support and all this just socialism.
00:10:09.000What is your biggest wish that you could kind of impart on the younger generation?
00:10:13.000Or what do you try to get across to them?
00:11:19.000And you probably have a lot of thinking to do and a lot of discourse to do.
00:11:23.000And understand that Candace, Ben, and myself, and some of the names you mentioned, you know, we have almost a decade of experience of interfacing with the other side, of talking to liberals, of going out of our way to read their literature, of going out of our way to actually going to college campuses.
00:11:41.000And there's a very special, there's a special place for those of us that actually have had to endure their nonsense for quite some time because we're really not surprised by anything they do.
00:11:51.000We're able to communicate to those people.
00:11:53.000But I will say this: on top of all those other different things that are happening, we have to be very clear as to why it is now you can't even have a differing opinion and then you're stifled and you're shut up completely.
00:12:05.000And the reason is that when you have differing opinions, people will generally then become pretty nuanced, right?
00:12:12.000So they'll basically end up getting in a position of, well, I'm probably, I agree with Charlie on this and I agree with the left on that and I'm somewhere in the middle.
00:12:20.000Well, people in the middle make really bad revolutionaries.
00:12:23.000So people in the middle are very unlikely to go burn down a civilization and burn down a building.
00:12:27.000They're probably just going to go build a family and build a wife.
00:12:29.000And what ends up happening is they end up actually tilting more towards the right as they get older because those values are about kind of preserving what you worked for.
00:12:38.000Well, the left has no interest in creating people that are less likely to be revolutionaries.
00:12:42.000They want people to be more likely to storm the best deal, more likely to get in positions of power and to exercise their dogmatic, very specific worldview.
00:12:52.000And in a lot of different ways, you know, we as conservatives just want the country to have a little bit more nuance.
00:12:59.000If all of a sudden that you heard something on television, you say, well, maybe Trump isn't the worst person ever to occupy the White House.
00:13:05.000That'd be a wonderful statement to feel the airwaves to CNN.
00:13:08.000But the narrative and the meta-narrative that is created on these cable television networks is you have this gross parasite that has infected our federal government.
00:13:17.000And any means of social action is now morally justified because Benito Mussolini has been reincarnated and is now the president of the United States.
00:13:26.000And then that then allows the moral justification for the burning of buildings, the toppling of statues, the suppression of speech, and also the lack of nuance.
00:13:35.000And so I'm afraid that the reaction to Trump has now created the most illiberal group of American political, you know, kind of the most illiberal group of American people politically since the KKK.
00:13:45.000And it's a very dangerous kind of sequence of events.
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00:16:06.000And it was right around the time of the riots and all that stuff happening, a couple months after the Floyd thing.
00:16:12.000But she had a student who wrote a mini, like, not even a paper, but it was a few paragraphs.
00:16:17.000And he basically was talking about how great the riots were because he was able to come up on some free Nikes from the store because him and his friends had looted a building.
00:16:26.000And blew my mind when this teacher, who I was briefly dating, said she gave the kid an A on the paper because, you know, she's talking about the social injustice and how actually those Nikes were, you know, good for him because he didn't have enough money to pay for it and all this other nonsense.
00:16:40.000And, you know, we kind of, needless to say, this person and I didn't last because of these types of issues that she believed in.
00:16:48.000You know, who knew how radical she was before it all started?
00:16:51.000But my point is, is that a lot of these people, like teachers especially, not like they're all bad, but a lot of these people on the left, they're very intolerant of others' beliefs that don't align with what you are.
00:17:02.000So a lot of these people, and me as a Trump supporter, she basically said too at one point, it's either Trump or me.
00:17:07.000Like, we can't have this relationship if you support Trump.
00:17:13.000But it was basically like, you know, as someone, as a party that's supposed to be tolerant of all people, of all beliefs, of all, you know, creeds, religions, et cetera, I find a lot of these people to be the most intolerant people of all.
00:17:24.000And it's like, if you want to be accepting of everybody, you got to be accepting of the side that you don't agree with.
00:17:30.000And that includes Trump supporters or Trump fans or believers in conservative values.
00:17:34.000Just as I would have accepted her despite some of those radical views, I feel like a lot of people on the left don't have the same viewpoint for other people.
00:18:07.000I mean, if that is the case, then a lot of people's dating decisions would be a lot different.
00:18:14.000That is when you're the most intolerant.
00:18:16.000So when I have my political viewpoints and when I look at kind of what I want to do, what kind of society I want to create and the kind of political party and the kind of political movement I want to have, it's different than in that decision, but you made the right decision there.
00:18:30.000What I'm saying, though, is it shouldn't surprise you that the left is all of a sudden becoming the movement of absolute and total intolerance.
00:18:40.000There's a difference between liberals and leftists.
00:18:42.000Liberals believe that America is generally a good place.
00:18:45.000It has its flaws, but they probably would believe that they need more social action or more government programs to try to right us of some wrongs.
00:18:54.000I think some liberals and I agree on certain things, especially when it comes to freedom of speech and foreign wars and stuff like that.
00:19:01.000Probably disagree with them on borders and language and culture and those sorts of things.
00:19:04.000But I bet they could probably see my side.
00:19:07.000A liberal is someone like Alan Dershowitz.
00:19:09.000A leftist is like someone like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who believes that the fact that we hold an opinion that is different than hers, then we're evil.
00:19:23.000And that entire viewpoint has now infected like a parasite.
00:19:27.000It's parasitically now infected the entire Democrat Party.
00:19:31.000And they are now a kind of flawed host, if you will, or they are now host of this idea where if anyone dares to say something we don't like, we are going to shut them up.
00:19:48.000All of a sudden, if people are unable to communicate with those they disagree with, if all of a sudden they're unable to have differing opinions, eventually you're going to have a fracturing of the country.
00:21:33.000I'm afraid to tell someone I disagree with them.
00:21:35.000I'm afraid to go out of my way on a social media post when someone says that we're all on indigenous land, like something really stupid, right?
00:21:43.000Or something where they say that, you know, BLM incorporated is the greatest thing ever, just whatever it is, right?
00:21:48.000All of a sudden, they're afraid to comment on it because they're afraid to be called the worst thing you could be called in the human lexicon, right?
00:22:05.000I'm going to stop talking and I'm going to go kind of go back to work.
00:22:08.000And then what ends up happening is the people that then have those more right-leaning views or those conservative views, they'll just talk to people they agree with and then they get radicalized.
00:22:18.000And I'm not saying that every single person that goes that way goes that way.
00:22:23.000But then there are people that actually end up entertaining really, really bad racial identity on the right.
00:22:47.000Do you think, and this is kind of getting into other topics here, but do you think there is not so you can say conspiracy theory, you can say conspiracy facts when things actually turn out to be true.
00:22:58.000You can say deep state, whatever you want to call it.
00:23:01.000But do you think there is a guided effort by, say, guys like George Soros and even Bill Gates?
00:23:08.000Some of these guys who want to systematically revolutionize America, change it, and actually turn it more into a globalist world that we live in as opposed to an individual country, you know, divided countries and having their own free will to do as they want.
00:23:39.000And so, again, conspiracy theory, by the way, is a term that was used by the Central Intelligence Agency against our populace to try and stifle discussion and debate and try to get people out of the mainstream.
00:23:52.000With that being said, there's people that believe wacky things.
00:23:56.000So, not every single person that then all of a sudden says, Well, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think that there's actual robots flowing through our water that are spying on our intestines.
00:24:12.000And so, but again, I'm willing to entertain it, and I entertained it for about seven and a half seconds.
00:24:18.000I said, that's probably not happening, but show me the evidence, right?
00:24:22.000However, there's plenty of instances, and a great one that I'll tell you that I lived through that is just the best example of this that has been now in popular culture.
00:24:30.000Everyone talks about it, which if I came on your podcast right here, if it existed eight years ago, I don't know if it did or not, but we were just talking eight years ago, and I told you that Bill Clinton was flying on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein to a private island.
00:24:46.000All of a sudden, we would have said, timeout conspiracy theory.
00:24:48.000We'd have to do all these kinds of different little kind of asterisks, like not prove it allegedly, all these different things.
00:25:04.000It's because the facts eventually broke the barrier that they were trying to create to try to prevent us from talking about this.
00:25:11.000And the same thing with the Catholic Church in the 1960s and 70s.
00:25:14.000If I would have told you in the early 1960s that there was a network of 300 to 400 child molesting priests in Boston that were going out of their way and sexually raping young children in Boston, you would have had me put into a mental clinic and you said, there's no way this is happening.
00:25:31.000The Catholic Church is the greatest thing ever in Boston.
00:25:33.000Now, by the way, a lot of my friends are Catholic.
00:25:35.000I have a lot of respect for a lot of people that are Catholics.
00:25:37.000I just use this example as institutional corruption that transcended institutional lines, right?
00:25:43.000So it was political, it was media, it was religious, and all of a sudden it blew up and it happened everywhere.
00:25:49.000Los Angeles diocese, San Francisco diocese, Dallas diocese, Chicago diocese, Detroit diocese, everywhere this was happening.
00:25:56.000And it turned out that was a literal conspiracy, right?
00:26:12.00089,000 former members of the Boy Scouts of America come out and said that they were sexually abused by people in the hierarchy of the Boy Scouts of America.
00:26:53.000But think to yourself, what are they telling you that is not true that actually might be true right now?
00:27:01.000That's something that's really important to wrestle with because the law of averages tells you right now there's something that we're believing, that we're accepting, that eventually will come to light to be proven not true.
00:27:21.000So here's the three big issues, too, by the way.
00:27:23.000And I made a podcast probably a month or two ago of why I'm voting for Trump and why.
00:27:26.000I got a little backlash from it, which I kind of expected, but I think most people understood where I was coming from.
00:27:30.000But the three big issues I see this country facing right now are censorship, censorship, socialism, and of course, the shutdown, which has radically changed the way we lived the past six to seven months, eight months probably now.
00:27:43.000But one of the ones that's been kind of hanging around for the past few years that's gone sort of under the radar until lately is censorship.
00:27:50.000And that has been, you know, conservative voices especially have been getting censored left and right.
00:27:54.000Even guys like Alex Jones, who I'm not even really a fan of.
00:27:59.000But when he got censored a few years back and got deplatformed off everything, I was like, this is a huge step in the wrong direction.
00:28:05.000Even if you don't like this guy, which I didn't like him at the time, I like him a little bit more now, but I don't really follow his stuff.
00:28:11.000It's a huge mistake to do that because once you get one guy like that down, everybody's going to start following.
00:28:16.000And now they've even started censoring Trump the last few months with the election stuff that he's posting.
00:28:20.000Every single post that he has now on Facebook comes with a little asterisk underneath it saying that Joe Biden's the president-elect, which actually he's not.
00:28:26.000But the point is, once you start censoring people online or anywhere, it becomes a huge problem.
00:28:33.000Like we were talking about a moment ago, you can't hear the other side.
00:28:35.000And then you become more radicalized in your belief because you're just sitting around talking, discussing with the same people, having that one viewpoint.
00:28:42.000There's no place for discourse or argument or actually coming up with new ideas.
00:28:46.000What's your take on censorship, though?
00:28:50.000And even if there's people you disagree with that are being censored or people you don't like their style, you should absolutely defend their right to be able to have platform access.
00:28:58.000And the Alex Jones case is really creepy because all the tech companies did it at once.
00:29:48.000We knew that sequence of events was going to unfold.
00:29:51.000And look, censorship is one of the biggest issues in our country.
00:29:54.000And the reason this is happening is because we've given way too much power to data companies that engage in surveillance capitalism, where they sell you.
00:30:05.000Only illegal drugs and social media call the people that use their products users, not customers, but users, because they're highly chemically addictive and they're designed to have you keep coming back.
00:30:15.000And one of the things that we have to get very serious about is has social media and this entire craze towards kind of appeasing our digital pacifiers, which you can call your phone, your digital pacifier, is that something that has actually made our country a better place?
00:31:40.000They are fracking 5,000 unique data points on every single American citizen, profiling, predicting, and addicting, profiling, mining, and addicting every single American to then be able to say, how can I make you come back to our product, which would come back to our network and then buy products from the other biggest companies that can afford our advertising rates?
00:32:31.000That would be protected speech, even if we were saying wacko things.
00:32:35.000But if you and I want to say this on YouTube, we are now subject to a censor who's wearing his pajamas in Menlo Park that's working for Facebook or Google.
00:32:46.000And now we have the entire kind of, let's say, the landscape of speech is now very concentrated to a group of companies and even more creepy, a group of people that control these companies that very well could determine whether or not you and I are allowed to even speak at all.
00:33:06.000And I've heard too, I'm pretty sure this is true, not 100%, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of these monitors now are actually Chinese individuals, either Chinese Americans or even working overseas from China that the hires, you know, just virtually higher, which is obviously very easy to do.
00:33:50.000And, you know, there's so many companies and organizations in America that have ties to China.
00:33:55.000It's kind of scary when you think about it.
00:33:58.000Yeah, I mean, the Chinese Communist Party basically runs our country.
00:34:01.000And it's news because of a bipartisan group of corporate elites that sold out our country and wanted to get a maximized profit margin, but didn't care if they hollowed out the backbone of our country.
00:34:11.000Yeah, it's been happening for a long time.
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00:35:16.000Speaking of the news, like the fake news and 95% of the coverage of Trump, this election cycle was negative.
00:35:22.000There was a stat that came out a couple of weeks ago.
00:35:24.000It just kind of shocking to see how one-sided they really are.
00:35:28.000And I think that's a huge problem as well with why a lot of these people are sort of brainwashed into believing a certain belief and not having at least the open-mindedness to consider another point of view.
00:35:39.000I think the fake news is a big part of that.
00:35:40.000I'm just wondering if you have any ideas on how that could be corrected or fixed.
00:35:46.000Yeah, I mean, it starts with what you consume.
00:35:48.000So every person here should unsubscribe from Apple News.
00:35:52.000Every person should subscribe to our podcast, your podcast, get news from people you trust, that they won't allow you to be censored, go out of your way to support those people.
00:36:01.000And then we need to just start creating new institutions.
00:36:03.000We need to support groups like Just the News.
00:36:06.000We need to support all these guys that are going out of their way to do the hard work and do the actual work that is necessary to cover the news and information that is really missing on the landscape right now.
00:36:17.000And look, the CNNs and the New York Times, they're going to have a very difficult business model to justify with their very, very heavy overhead the moment if Trump leaves office in January and some of these election litigation and these fights don't go the way we want them to.
00:36:31.000Because all of a sudden the let's remove Trump at all costs thing is not going to work that well.
00:36:36.000And people are then now going to turn on CNN and say, wait a second, we control the government.
00:36:41.000And they're going to have a tapering off effect and their business model is going to implode.
00:36:45.000And what they're going to do, and you'll be able to play this clip back in six months from now, they're going to try to act as if the KKK has like Operation Paperclip and they've infiltrated the government.
00:36:54.000We have to go find all the white supremacists that have infiltrated our country, which is insane, not true.
00:37:00.000But the point is that they're going to keep the narrative going.
00:37:02.000They're going to say that Trump is still the enemy, even though he's not in office.
00:37:06.000Trump supporters are the ones that are blocking the agenda.
00:37:11.000The only thing that will change is how they present the villain.
00:37:14.000And CNN and New York Times, they do villain-based journalism.
00:37:18.000And the only villain that they are willing to touch are conservatives, that we are the worst thing ever, that Trump supporters are venom, that we must be eradicated, that the entire population must be metaphorically inoculated against us, and that they have any moral justification to destroy us at any means necessary.
00:37:35.000Yeah, it's pretty sickening, the just one-sidedness and bias that's so apparent.
00:37:39.000But then you have, you know, Newsmax and I think OAN, American News Network, whatever the hell it's called.
00:37:45.000I hope they get on Comcast soon because they're not on Comcast, but they are on direct TV.
00:37:48.000And there's some other stations out there that are coming up that I think are going to take a lot of those viewerships.
00:37:53.000Yeah, and I tell older people that are like, well, I don't get the channels I want.
00:37:57.000Okay, so go get a Roku and go, and then all of a sudden you can access YouTube on your television screen, right?
00:38:08.000Or just go get a Samsung smart TV, which I don't love Samsung, but whatever.
00:38:12.000The point is that if you get a smart TV, then your cable provider means next to nothing.
00:38:17.000All you have to do then is your internet connection becomes your television.
00:39:06.000I want to ask you about the sort of war on men, I guess you could call it, of the past few years and what your take is on the changing gender roles and how sort of the American man has been under attack in many ways by the left and by some of these extremists.
00:39:24.000And what your advice is for guys listening to the show.
00:39:27.000Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely a war on men in our country.
00:39:30.000And I mean, men are far more likely to die at work, far more likely to commit suicide, far more likely to go to prison, far less likely to graduate from college, get a master's degree, get a doctorate, doctoral degree, far more likely to go into bankruptcy, far more likely to go to war and die at war, all these sorts of different metrics.
00:39:48.000And yet we're supposed to believe that we're living in some sort of patriarchy, that we are living in sort of some sort of heteronormative cisgender power struggle.
00:40:08.000And by the way, there's plenty of corporate achieving women that deserve to be recognized what they've done.
00:40:14.000Most of which I've met are incredibly miserable people.
00:40:17.000So what they end up doing is they move to the urban cities in our country.
00:40:21.000They end up marrying these metrosexual men.
00:40:25.000And no offense to them, but it's just the way it is.
00:40:27.000It's just very low on muscle mass and ambition.
00:40:31.000And they're more kind of a partner than a husband.
00:40:35.000And then what ends up happening, if you play this out over time, you have women that end up then filling the archetypical male in the relationship, not the female.
00:40:45.000And I'm a huge believer in traditional gender roles.
00:40:50.000And that's not to say, and everyone says, well, you just want women barefoot in the kitchen.
00:40:55.000I've never said that, but I do think that women should be able to be given the freedom and the flexibility to be able to have a family and raise that family if they want.
00:41:04.000And the man should, we should be able to have an economy where the man can be the sole breadwinner for the family and the woman doesn't have to go into the workforce economically and then I have to provide.
00:41:16.000But a lot of this is that, look, I'm not a singular blame on here because I think that there are some people that overly emphasize the societal or overly emphasize the individual.
00:41:28.000I think that men need to do a much better job of taking responsibility for their life when they turn 16, 17, or 18, which means you play a lot less video games.
00:41:34.000You stop doing drugs, stop doing alcohol, actually go find something worthwhile and commit yourself to that and go follow the.
00:41:41.000I think this all comes from the Bible.
00:41:43.000Actually, follow the laws and the teaching of the Bible and apply that correctly.
00:41:46.000But also, we got a lot of work to do to make sure that the society that we're actually entering, that we're actually sending young men into, is not all of a sudden going to be nearly impossible for them to do that.
00:41:56.000Where it's the exception, not the rule for you.
00:41:58.000And so I think it's actually a blend of both, where it's the public policy decisions and also the kind of the infantilization of young men.
00:42:06.000And so all the things you're talking about are absolutely right.
00:42:09.000We're on pace to have 500,000 less babies next year than this year.
00:42:13.000We've been talking about this on our podcast for quite some time.
00:42:16.000We're the only podcast that has actually been calling it what it is, which is a civilizational collapse.
00:42:20.000I saw the Brookings Institution study early.
00:42:26.000I said, as soon as the lockdowns came, we're going to see a decrease and a decline in birth rates, which is the opposite of what you think would happen, right?
00:42:33.000Less people at home, more people bored, more people can find escalation of birth rates.
00:42:38.000I said, because more people are doing birth control.
00:42:40.000More people now no longer consider children to be essential.
00:42:43.000They now consider children to be like, I'll have one of each.
00:42:46.000We have the secular humanization of our culture.
00:42:48.000We have this kind of devolution into believing that children are a burden, not a blessing.
00:42:55.000And men less likely to take ownership or responsibility for the family and do not have the social supports around them to make it possible.
00:43:01.000And it's also economically unfeasible for them to make it happen.
00:43:05.000And now we're living through this really, really dangerous moment where we are going to have a population collapse and a civilizational collapse alongside it in our country.
00:43:13.000And so I'm happy to dive into what I think some remedies and solutions are to that.
00:43:17.000But for young men listening to this right now, I'll do the part of trying to demand a country and a public policy portfolio that make it easier for you.
00:43:25.000But seriously, go take responsibility for your life.
00:43:28.000Stop blaming other people and stop doing things that you're addicted to.
00:43:41.000Be loyal to a set of values and be loyal to a country.
00:43:44.000That is the idea of being an ultimate man in the West, is that you're loyal, but not just loyal to a woman, not just loyal to a country, but loyal to the value in the pursuit of truth, the value in the pursuit of beauty.
00:43:57.000And the reason why you've seen all these terrible trends, suicide, social isolation, drugs, all these sorts of things, is because we have not done those sorts of things.
00:44:32.000He's a brilliant guy, actually, across all fields.
00:44:34.000He's very, you know, into health and all kinds of stuff.
00:44:36.000But he talks about sort of the same breakdown of the American, the modern family in the past 50 years and how feminism is actually really bad.
00:44:47.000And especially now, like when it first started, there was a lot of good to it.
00:45:03.000But one of the biggest reasons is the incentivization, incentivization of women to be single as opposed to marriage.
00:45:11.000And especially in the black community, we've talked about this in the past as well on the podcast and the breakdown of the family dynamic in the black community, especially where the father leaves and then the woman is relying on the government for social benefits, welfare, et cetera.
00:45:25.000But that also transcends across all races and across all family dynamics.
00:45:30.000And I think it is a huge part of why men sort of don't really know their place in society because the government has sort of come in the past few generations and taken over.
00:45:41.000Like they're now the provider to a lot of these families.
00:46:10.000So what ends up happening is if I spend too much time focusing on the public policy choices, then all of a sudden young men are like, oh, well, I'm just going to give up because it's an excuse.
00:46:21.000And if I end up spending too much time on the individual, go improve your life, take application, you're not a victim, all of which are true, then all of a sudden they're going to lose a little bit of faith after a while because they're going to see how hard it actually is.
00:46:35.000So I feel if I do both, that I'm realistic to the young man that's going to have to apply himself and understands how difficult it's going to be.
00:46:43.000But what I find is that we're creating a generation of fully grown infants.
00:46:58.000But as far as the shutdowns go, I want to get your take on that real quick.
00:47:02.000I know we've got to wrap up in a couple of minutes, but what is your take on the shutdowns and where we're at right now and where you think we should be heading with that whole disaster of government policy and just the last few months of how it's all been?
00:47:51.000You should show them that these lockdown orders don't mean anything.
00:47:54.000There's nothing loving and compassionate about saving lives in asterisks by saying, all of a sudden, you're going to stay home.
00:48:01.000What is saving lives is respecting people's liberty to stay at home if they feel they need to against a virus that very well might infect you and kill you if you're over the age of 60 and you have a certain subset of underlying health conditions.
00:48:33.000Statistics are, I mean, if they die from it, they have now beaten the odds.
00:48:37.000They're more likely to die from an accidental fireworks discharge.
00:48:41.000They're more likely to die driving to school or driving to an activity.
00:48:47.000The risk tolerance is perfectly acceptable for people under the age of 30 is what I mean.
00:48:53.000We have things that we tolerate in Western society that allow us to live a good life.
00:48:57.000If it's all about safetyism, then go send our entire generation to Rikers Island and give us three meals a day and we'll never interact with another human being again.
00:50:06.000And this is a good lesson for people is pursue the moral good regardless of whether or not you think you're going to win.
00:50:12.000And the best kind of illustration of this is nowhere near the type of courage it took to do this versus what we're doing today is when those young men stormed Normandy Beach on D-Day, their chances of dying were very high.
00:50:26.000They did it anyway because they were pursuing a moral good.
00:50:29.000If they were trying to actually weigh whether or not they thought they were going to win, a lot of them would have turned around.
00:50:36.000Instead, they pursued it because they understood the purpose.
00:50:39.000They understood exactly what was why they were fighting.
00:50:42.000When 3,000 Americans died on Omaha Beach, that was for a reason.
00:50:48.000Again, I'm not comparing what we're doing here to the heroic courage of our veterans.
00:50:52.000What I am saying is I'm using it as an illustration of our heroes and inspiration.
00:50:56.000That's what I am using it as, as saying that when you find something that is worth fighting, dismiss the Vegas probability odds and just go do it.
00:51:04.000And then whatever ends up happening is the result.
00:51:07.000I'm afraid with the handicapping of odds, sometimes it gives reason and excuses for people to fight less or not contest as much as they otherwise would have.
00:51:21.000It reminds me of the picture of that one where Jon Snow just like drops his guard belt for the sword and he's like taking on the whole cavalry of charging forces and you think he's screwed and then the last second his guys come up and they all start fighting and he ends up winning the battle.
00:51:50.000And there's also some amendments, which you probably know a lot more of than made the 12th Amendment.
00:51:54.000And there's this executive order he signed in 2018 where he's got some power if there's outside election interference from another country, which clearly there was.
00:52:01.000And, you know, I'm optimistic, but like you, I'm not going to, you know, stop the fight.
00:52:06.000What is something, though, that we can do to support the cause and to support the fight that's currently going on?
00:52:11.000As our listeners, as someone like me who'd like to participate more in this, what is something just the general public can do to support the cause?
00:52:18.000I mean, the best thing that every person can do is to take responsibility for your sphere of influence.
00:52:24.000And so that means to be a precinct committeeman, to host your own rally or protest in your neighborhood.