The Charlie Kirk Show - Why a Masculine Renaissance is Needed to Defeat Cowardly Tyrants

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00:02:28.000 All right, guys, we're live.

00:02:29.000 It's Justin Stenchrum from Elite Man Magazine.

00:02:32.000 And my guest today is Charlie Kirk from what's the name of the organization you have, Charlie?

00:02:38.000 Turning Point USA.

00:02:40.000 Turning Point USA.

00:02:41.000 So you came on my radar probably a year or so ago on social media, and I just started watching like clips of your videos on social issues and politics and the election, all this stuff.

00:02:50.000 And you were one of the people that really kind of stuck out as like really knowing his stuff.

00:02:54.000 And I know you're a younger guy too, but you've been doing this for years now.

00:02:57.000 And you know, the Ben Shapiros of the world, Candace Owens's.

00:03:00.000 I really love your take on social issues and politics and just kind of that conservative voice, which I feel like is lost, especially in the younger generation. 0.63

00:03:08.000 So I'm excited to bring you on, man, especially with all the chaos going on right now with the election and stuff.

00:03:12.000 It's a huge privilege to have you on the show today.

00:03:16.000 Thank you.

00:03:16.000 Yeah, I deeply appreciate that.

00:03:18.000 And we've had a good couple years and we're just getting started.

00:03:21.000 It's not the best set of circumstances for our country, but we're doing well.

00:03:26.000 So I guess that more and more people are going to be seeking out our voice.

00:03:29.000 So I want to talk, I want to kind of dive into a bunch of different issues today and sort of jump around.

00:03:34.000 But I know you primarily focus on politics, of course, but you also have, like I mentioned, a good conservative voice, especially as a younger guy.

00:03:41.000 I believe you're like 27, 28 years old, but you've been doing it.

00:03:44.000 27, you've been doing this now for a number of years.

00:03:47.000 I looked it up.

00:03:48.000 What made you get into this as a younger guy?

00:03:50.000 Because people, my, I'm 29 right now. 0.71

00:03:52.000 People my age, our age, most of them are crazy liberals at this point.

00:03:56.000 They have like a really distorted view on how the world works and socialism and all that kind of stuff.

00:04:01.000 There's a lot of less people kind of like who think how we do.

00:04:05.000 How did you as a younger guy get into that?

00:04:08.000 Yeah, I mean, I started this when I was 18 instead of going to college.

00:04:12.000 I always had a passion for history and for politics.

00:04:16.000 Went to a school that was in some ways very center left.

00:04:21.000 A lot of my teachers were liberals, outspoken.

00:04:23.000 And I would just ask questions and I was really less than satisfied in a lot of their responses.

00:04:28.000 And, you know, the entire theme of my kind of high school career, I guess you could call it, was that America is an awful place.

00:04:37.000 We have to do a lot of dramatic social action to try and apologize and repent for something that we didn't do.

00:04:43.000 We didn't even know the people who did it. 0.98

00:04:45.000 And you're an awful person based on your skin color and you're not allowed to have different ideas. 0.99

00:04:50.000 And I had some good teachers mixed within that. 0.98

00:04:52.000 But that was kind of the ideological tilt of the entire high school that I went to.

00:04:57.000 And that always just bothered me.

00:04:59.000 And I would just ask questions and I would be less than thrilled with some of the answers, such as, if we're such an awful country, why do you still live here?

00:05:05.000 I mean, that was kind of a very basic elementary style argument.

00:05:09.000 I still make that kind of argument today because it's true.

00:05:12.000 And they'd say, oh, well, there's no better place.

00:05:14.000 Let's say if there's no better place, then why do you do nothing but complain about it the entire time?

00:05:18.000 And so I kind of stumbled into this.

00:05:20.000 I've always loved the collision of ideas, philosophy, history.

00:05:25.000 And I grew more fond of our culture, who we are as Americans, what makes us different, what really drives us.

00:05:32.000 Is it a culture worth defending?

00:05:33.000 Which, of course, it is.

00:05:35.000 And then also how to best articulate that.

00:05:37.000 So I started that when I was 18, Turning Point USA, had no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing.

00:05:43.000 Been doing it about eight and a half years.

00:05:44.000 It'll be nine years in June.

00:05:46.000 It's been the most amazing experience.

00:05:47.000 So now we're doing two hours of radio a day.

00:05:49.000 We do two podcasts a day.

00:05:51.000 Got 160 people that work for us at Turning Point USA.

00:05:54.000 Have a whole operation at Turning Point Action.

00:05:56.000 So we're very busy and we're kind of in the hopefully saving Western civilization business.

00:06:03.000 What's your basic premise of Turning Point USA?

00:06:07.000 Like, what's the main message you want to get across?

00:06:09.000 And you try to tell people when you go on shows like this or Fox News, which I've seen you on a number of times.

00:06:14.000 Some of the outlets, like when people are basically asking you what your biggest goal is, what is that?

00:06:20.000 Yeah, I mean, it's in some ways the target is always changing kind of based on where the tone and the tenor of the country is of kind of what people will gravitate towards and what they'll absorb.

00:06:32.000 I'd say that right now, our main focus is we actually live in the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:06:40.000 Understand that and deeply understand our history before you actually decide to post a black square on social media or say something really foolish, you know, politically, because you probably have no idea what you're talking about.

00:06:51.000 But if you do that, then you're going to have to contest an interface as to why you want to radically deconstruct this beautiful gift that we've been given.

00:06:59.000 And that's really something that's a harder argument to make.

00:07:03.000 There's always an inclination towards revolution for upper middle class privileged spoiled brats because they have no idea why they have everything so good around them or even that they have everything so good around them.

00:07:12.000 So they find their identity and purpose in the deconstruction of everything that has been given before them.

00:07:17.000 And you find this in the upper middle class households of some of the most wealthy neighborhoods in America, whether it be in Greenwich, Connecticut or Beverly Hills, California, Highland Park, Dallas, Palm Beach, Florida, kids that really have upper middle class income levels, they'll tend to be really, really liberal.

00:07:33.000 And sometimes their parents are liberal or they'll be more moderately liberal.

00:07:37.000 But the point is our kids are way more left-wing.

00:07:40.000 It's because they have a guilt complex what they have.

00:07:41.000 They've misunderstanding how wealth is created.

00:07:44.000 They have no appreciation for this country. 0.98

00:07:46.000 They think that you can easily centralize and redistribute wealth without any sort of consequences, and that everyone who gets the wealth will immediately be incentivized to go create their own life for themselves, which, of course, is completely wrong and foolish.

00:07:57.000 And so, you have all these different things that then happen.

00:07:59.000 And basically, my position right now, and I'm not the only one that does this, you mentioned some of the names as well.

00:08:05.000 Candace and Ben are really close friends, and they do a great job.

00:08:08.000 And everyone kind of has their own unique flavor of how we go about doing this, which I think it makes really exciting of kind of how we approach it.

00:08:14.000 And no one's wrong, and no one is incorrect.

00:08:16.000 It's just we all have a different way of kind of forming the argument and doing what we do every day.

00:08:20.000 And it kind of makes the conservative movement, I think, stronger because of it.

00:08:24.000 But kind of where my argument right now is go take responsibility for your actions, spend more time creating and less time complaining.

00:08:32.000 Why are you so angry?

00:08:33.000 Because you live in this incredible country.

00:08:36.000 We're not a racist country.

00:08:37.000 We're not nearly as unequal as you might think.

00:08:40.000 And the problems that we actually do have are problems you don't want to talk about.

00:08:43.000 We have a problem of not taking responsibility.

00:08:45.000 We have a problem of family creation.

00:08:46.000 We have a problem of marriage.

00:08:47.000 We have a problem of civilizational collapse.

00:08:50.000 We have a problem of really hyper-concentrated corporate power.

00:08:52.000 I'm happy to go through all of those things.

00:08:54.000 And yet they don't want to talk about that.

00:08:56.000 The only problems they want, the only problems they want to talk about is racial injustice, which is nonsense.

00:09:01.000 It is a micron of a micron of a problem in a long litany of things.

00:09:05.000 And I would even say that the problem is overamplified, misrepresented, and kind of misappropriated as to who the actual villain is.

00:09:12.000 And so, considering that as my position, I have plenty of content and things to talk about.

00:09:17.000 And an audience is growing because there's just so few of us that are kind of doing this every single day.

00:09:23.000 But it's growing.

00:09:24.000 There's more and more every day, but it's still small considering the whole population.

00:09:27.000 And as someone, you know, like I said, as young as you are and have been doing this for a while, and then you have, you know, combined, you factor that in with the people that you're trying to reach.

00:09:37.000 And you reach older people as well, for sure.

00:09:39.000 But, you know, as someone kind of getting that younger generation on board with the conservative movement, what's the biggest change that you'd like to make to how things are going right now so that so many younger people aren't sort of brainwashed into that liberal, crazy liberal thing?

00:09:55.000 Like, you know, you can be liberal, moderate, liberal, whatever, sort of towards the middle, but like what's going on the past year, couple of years, especially with the Defund the Police and, you know, the Black Lives Matter and the Antifa support and all this just socialism.

00:10:09.000 What is your biggest wish that you could kind of impart on the younger generation?

00:10:13.000 Or what do you try to get across to them?

00:10:17.000 There's a couple things.

00:10:18.000 I mean, I think that one of them, one of the things that we have to do is try to make sure people are informed, not just opinionated.

00:10:25.000 And a lot of these people think they have a really good understanding of really what's happening in the world and they don't.

00:10:30.000 We as conservatives have it differently.

00:10:32.000 We actually know all the left's arguments by definition.

00:10:35.000 We were friends with these people.

00:10:36.000 We went to their schools.

00:10:37.000 We went to high school with them.

00:10:38.000 We deal with them on social media.

00:10:40.000 So it's actually not the case for young conservatives.

00:10:43.000 There are very few young conservatives that don't know the top authors and literature and arguments of the left.

00:10:49.000 The left has no exposure at all whatsoever to what conservatives think and believe.

00:10:53.000 And then even beyond that, they have a hostility towards even interfacing to try to pursue that.

00:10:58.000 They don't want to have an opinion with the other side.

00:11:00.000 They don't want to have a conversation with the other side.

00:11:02.000 They don't want to hear the other opinion.

00:11:03.000 They don't want to have a conversation.

00:11:04.000 They don't want to have dialogue.

00:11:05.000 They don't want to have discourse.

00:11:06.000 They don't want to have any form of exploration of truth.

00:11:09.000 Instead, it's, I already have all the answers at age 16 because I watched a couple of TikTok videos.

00:11:14.000 Don't you understand how smart I am?

00:11:15.000 And everyone before me is a racist.

00:11:16.000 Like that's probably oversimplified.

00:11:19.000 And you probably have a lot of thinking to do and a lot of discourse to do.

00:11:23.000 And understand that Candace, Ben, and myself, and some of the names you mentioned, you know, we have almost a decade of experience of interfacing with the other side, of talking to liberals, of going out of our way to read their literature, of going out of our way to actually going to college campuses.

00:11:37.000 Candace was on the left.

00:11:38.000 She knows what they think.

00:11:39.000 She knows what drives them.

00:11:41.000 And there's a very special, there's a special place for those of us that actually have had to endure their nonsense for quite some time because we're really not surprised by anything they do.

00:11:50.000 And we're better able to predict it.

00:11:51.000 We're able to communicate to those people.

00:11:53.000 But I will say this: on top of all those other different things that are happening, we have to be very clear as to why it is now you can't even have a differing opinion and then you're stifled and you're shut up completely.

00:12:05.000 And the reason is that when you have differing opinions, people will generally then become pretty nuanced, right?

00:12:12.000 So they'll basically end up getting in a position of, well, I'm probably, I agree with Charlie on this and I agree with the left on that and I'm somewhere in the middle.

00:12:20.000 Well, people in the middle make really bad revolutionaries.

00:12:23.000 So people in the middle are very unlikely to go burn down a civilization and burn down a building.

00:12:27.000 They're probably just going to go build a family and build a wife.

00:12:29.000 And what ends up happening is they end up actually tilting more towards the right as they get older because those values are about kind of preserving what you worked for.

00:12:38.000 Well, the left has no interest in creating people that are less likely to be revolutionaries.

00:12:42.000 They want people to be more likely to storm the best deal, more likely to get in positions of power and to exercise their dogmatic, very specific worldview.

00:12:52.000 And in a lot of different ways, you know, we as conservatives just want the country to have a little bit more nuance.

00:12:57.000 Like that would be really nice.

00:12:59.000 If all of a sudden that you heard something on television, you say, well, maybe Trump isn't the worst person ever to occupy the White House.

00:13:05.000 That'd be a wonderful statement to feel the airwaves to CNN.

00:13:08.000 But the narrative and the meta-narrative that is created on these cable television networks is you have this gross parasite that has infected our federal government. 0.50

00:13:17.000 And any means of social action is now morally justified because Benito Mussolini has been reincarnated and is now the president of the United States.

00:13:26.000 And then that then allows the moral justification for the burning of buildings, the toppling of statues, the suppression of speech, and also the lack of nuance.

00:13:35.000 And so I'm afraid that the reaction to Trump has now created the most illiberal group of American political, you know, kind of the most illiberal group of American people politically since the KKK.

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00:15:58.000 I was actually briefly dating this girl over the summer and super liberal girl. 0.99

00:16:04.000 She was a teacher out in Brooklyn.

00:16:06.000 And it was right around the time of the riots and all that stuff happening, a couple months after the Floyd thing.

00:16:12.000 But she had a student who wrote a mini, like, not even a paper, but it was a few paragraphs.

00:16:17.000 And he basically was talking about how great the riots were because he was able to come up on some free Nikes from the store because him and his friends had looted a building.

00:16:26.000 And blew my mind when this teacher, who I was briefly dating, said she gave the kid an A on the paper because, you know, she's talking about the social injustice and how actually those Nikes were, you know, good for him because he didn't have enough money to pay for it and all this other nonsense.

00:16:40.000 And, you know, we kind of, needless to say, this person and I didn't last because of these types of issues that she believed in.

00:16:48.000 You know, who knew how radical she was before it all started?

00:16:51.000 But my point is, is that a lot of these people, like teachers especially, not like they're all bad, but a lot of these people on the left, they're very intolerant of others' beliefs that don't align with what you are.

00:17:02.000 So a lot of these people, and me as a Trump supporter, she basically said too at one point, it's either Trump or me.

00:17:07.000 Like, we can't have this relationship if you support Trump.

00:17:10.000 And I said, all right, see you later.

00:17:11.000 That was the end of it, actually.

00:17:13.000 But it was basically like, you know, as someone, as a party that's supposed to be tolerant of all people, of all beliefs, of all, you know, creeds, religions, et cetera, I find a lot of these people to be the most intolerant people of all.

00:17:24.000 And it's like, if you want to be accepting of everybody, you got to be accepting of the side that you don't agree with.

00:17:30.000 And that includes Trump supporters or Trump fans or believers in conservative values.

00:17:34.000 Just as I would have accepted her despite some of those radical views, I feel like a lot of people on the left don't have the same viewpoint for other people.

00:17:44.000 No, you're exactly right.

00:17:45.000 And I'll say this, and I'll add the correct prefacing and nuance on this.

00:17:50.000 No one should ever date or create a life partner with someone that has a different political opinion or religious opinion.

00:17:55.000 That is a spell for a divorce.

00:17:57.000 And you might say, well, that's very intolerant of you.

00:17:59.000 You should absolutely be intolerant in your selection of a life partner.

00:18:02.000 That is the most intolerant you should be.

00:18:04.000 In fact, that's the most selective you should be.

00:18:06.000 That's a good point.

00:18:07.000 I mean, if that is the case, then a lot of people's dating decisions would be a lot different.

00:18:14.000 That is when you're the most intolerant.

00:18:16.000 So when I have my political viewpoints and when I look at kind of what I want to do, what kind of society I want to create and the kind of political party and the kind of political movement I want to have, it's different than in that decision, but you made the right decision there.

00:18:30.000 What I'm saying, though, is it shouldn't surprise you that the left is all of a sudden becoming the movement of absolute and total intolerance.

00:18:38.000 These people are not liberals.

00:18:40.000 There's a difference between liberals and leftists.

00:18:42.000 Liberals believe that America is generally a good place.

00:18:45.000 It has its flaws, but they probably would believe that they need more social action or more government programs to try to right us of some wrongs.

00:18:53.000 I can deal with a liberal.

00:18:54.000 I think some liberals and I agree on certain things, especially when it comes to freedom of speech and foreign wars and stuff like that.

00:19:01.000 Probably disagree with them on borders and language and culture and those sorts of things.

00:19:04.000 But I bet they could probably see my side.

00:19:07.000 A liberal is someone like Alan Dershowitz.

00:19:09.000 A leftist is like someone like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who believes that the fact that we hold an opinion that is different than hers, then we're evil.

00:19:18.000 Then we're wrong.

00:19:18.000 We must be suppressed.

00:19:19.000 We must be shut up. 1.00

00:19:20.000 We must be obliterated. 1.00

00:19:23.000 And that entire viewpoint has now infected like a parasite. 0.99

00:19:27.000 It's parasitically now infected the entire Democrat Party.

00:19:31.000 And they are now a kind of flawed host, if you will, or they are now host of this idea where if anyone dares to say something we don't like, we are going to shut them up.

00:19:45.000 And you can see where that heads.

00:19:48.000 All of a sudden, if people are unable to communicate with those they disagree with, if all of a sudden they're unable to have differing opinions, eventually you're going to have a fracturing of the country.

00:20:00.000 You see, freedom of speech worked.

00:20:02.000 It actually worked from a utilitarian standpoint because it was a way to mitigate our differences.

00:20:07.000 You could blow up some steam. 0.97

00:20:09.000 You could all of a sudden talk to your friend and maybe say, oh, wow, I was kind of a fool with that idea. 1.00

00:20:13.000 Yeah, that's kind of a stupid thing to think, defund the police. 1.00

00:20:16.000 Why do so many people still believe in defund the police? 1.00

00:20:18.000 Because they've never actually had to talk to somebody that has told them how dumb of an idea this is.

00:20:23.000 So, of course, you're just going to endlessly talk to people that think it's a good idea.

00:20:27.000 No one ever challenges it and just self-reinforces and it calcifies and almost becomes, it has this permanency.

00:20:32.000 And then from that point forward, you find someone who doesn't want to defund the police.

00:20:36.000 Instead of thinking that they might have a good idea, you just call them a racist. 0.98

00:20:39.000 You're a bad person. 1.00

00:20:40.000 You hate black and brown people. 1.00

00:20:42.000 No, actually, I actually love them, which is why I want more police. 1.00

00:20:44.000 Shut up, racist, sit down. 1.00

00:20:45.000 You're a KKK member. 1.00

00:20:46.000 And then all of a sudden you see these really bad ideas become permanent.

00:20:50.000 And that's all because of the death of free speech.

00:20:52.000 Free speech is where you could turn to your friend and be like, yo, it's actually you're really misguided here on this Green New Deal.

00:20:59.000 Well, why?

00:21:00.000 See, all of a sudden, Tank's a receiver, right?

00:21:01.000 You have to be willing to have that conversation.

00:21:04.000 Now it's, hey, you're wrong with this Green New Deal thing. 0.97

00:21:06.000 You're probably an evil Trump supporter. 0.96

00:21:08.000 Where's your KKK hood? 0.99

00:21:09.000 And all of a sudden, the conversation ends. 0.50

00:21:11.000 And you play this out in millions of micro interfaces, right, over the last nine months.

00:21:15.000 That's where you get the American political divide.

00:21:18.000 The solution and the problem is because the solution is free speech.

00:21:22.000 The problem is because you don't have it.

00:21:23.000 And of course, we still have the First Amendment, but a lot of people are wearing these invisible handcuffs right now.

00:21:28.000 Adam Smith said the invisible hand.

00:21:30.000 It's these invisible handcuffs.

00:21:31.000 I'm afraid to break out.

00:21:32.000 I'm afraid to say what I believe.

00:21:33.000 I'm afraid to tell someone I disagree with them. 0.98

00:21:35.000 I'm afraid to go out of my way on a social media post when someone says that we're all on indigenous land, like something really stupid, right? 0.71

00:21:43.000 Or something where they say that, you know, BLM incorporated is the greatest thing ever, just whatever it is, right?

00:21:48.000 All of a sudden, they're afraid to comment on it because they're afraid to be called the worst thing you could be called in the human lexicon, right?

00:21:54.000 Or the English lexicon.

00:21:55.000 What's the worst little word I can look up?

00:21:57.000 Racist. 0.86

00:21:58.000 And they use it all the time.

00:21:59.000 And almost has this paralytic impact where everybody's like, not me.

00:22:03.000 I'm not a racist.

00:22:05.000 Nope, not me.

00:22:05.000 I'm going to stop talking and I'm going to go kind of go back to work.

00:22:08.000 And then what ends up happening is the people that then have those more right-leaning views or those conservative views, they'll just talk to people they agree with and then they get radicalized.

00:22:18.000 And I'm not saying that every single person that goes that way goes that way. 0.58

00:22:23.000 But then there are people that actually end up entertaining really, really bad racial identity on the right.

00:22:29.000 Very few people, not a lot of people.

00:22:30.000 It happens every so often.

00:22:32.000 But more of that is going to happen when all of a sudden you stop talking, right?

00:22:35.000 And so this plays itself out where eventually the country will dissolve.

00:22:40.000 And that's exactly what the left wants.

00:22:41.000 This is a tactic for a dissolution of Western civilization.

00:22:46.000 Absolutely.

00:22:47.000 Do you think, and this is kind of getting into other topics here, but do you think there is not so you can say conspiracy theory, you can say conspiracy facts when things actually turn out to be true.

00:22:58.000 You can say deep state, whatever you want to call it.

00:23:01.000 But do you think there is a guided effort by, say, guys like George Soros and even Bill Gates?

00:23:07.000 You can throw him into that category.

00:23:08.000 Some of these guys who want to systematically revolutionize America, change it, and actually turn it more into a globalist world that we live in as opposed to an individual country, you know, divided countries and having their own free will to do as they want.

00:23:24.000 Soros, absolutely.

00:23:26.000 And just read the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset.

00:23:30.000 They outline this themselves.

00:23:31.000 I mean, they want the dissolution of our borders.

00:23:35.000 They want the complete disintegration of our civilization.

00:23:37.000 I mean, they admit this.

00:23:39.000 And so, again, conspiracy theory, by the way, is a term that was used by the Central Intelligence Agency against our populace to try and stifle discussion and debate and try to get people out of the mainstream.

00:23:52.000 With that being said, there's people that believe wacky things.

00:23:55.000 Yeah.

00:23:55.000 Okay.

00:23:56.000 So, not every single person that then all of a sudden says, Well, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think that there's actual robots flowing through our water that are spying on our intestines.

00:24:08.000 I heard that one the other day.

00:24:09.000 Very interesting.

00:24:10.000 Compelling.

00:24:11.000 Pretty crazy.

00:24:11.000 Probably not true.

00:24:12.000 Yeah.

00:24:12.000 Right.

00:24:12.000 And so, but again, I'm willing to entertain it, and I entertained it for about seven and a half seconds.

00:24:18.000 I said, that's probably not happening, but show me the evidence, right?

00:24:22.000 However, there's plenty of instances, and a great one that I'll tell you that I lived through that is just the best example of this that has been now in popular culture.

00:24:30.000 Everyone talks about it, which if I came on your podcast right here, if it existed eight years ago, I don't know if it did or not, but we were just talking eight years ago, and I told you that Bill Clinton was flying on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein to a private island.

00:24:46.000 All of a sudden, we would have said, timeout conspiracy theory.

00:24:48.000 We'd have to do all these kinds of different little kind of asterisks, like not prove it allegedly, all these different things.

00:24:54.000 Right.

00:24:55.000 And now people know this is true.

00:24:57.000 27 times.

00:24:59.000 Right, exactly.

00:25:00.000 And so now we know this has happened.

00:25:03.000 Now, why?

00:25:04.000 It's because the facts eventually broke the barrier that they were trying to create to try to prevent us from talking about this.

00:25:11.000 And the same thing with the Catholic Church in the 1960s and 70s.

00:25:14.000 If I would have told you in the early 1960s that there was a network of 300 to 400 child molesting priests in Boston that were going out of their way and sexually raping young children in Boston, you would have had me put into a mental clinic and you said, there's no way this is happening.

00:25:31.000 The Catholic Church is the greatest thing ever in Boston.

00:25:33.000 Now, by the way, a lot of my friends are Catholic.

00:25:35.000 I have a lot of respect for a lot of people that are Catholics.

00:25:37.000 I just use this example as institutional corruption that transcended institutional lines, right?

00:25:43.000 So it was political, it was media, it was religious, and all of a sudden it blew up and it happened everywhere.

00:25:49.000 Los Angeles diocese, San Francisco diocese, Dallas diocese, Chicago diocese, Detroit diocese, everywhere this was happening.

00:25:56.000 And it turned out that was a literal conspiracy, right?

00:25:59.000 Same with the Boy Scouts of America.

00:26:01.000 I'm an Eagle Scout.

00:26:02.000 For years, we heard about sexual assault claims and sexual abuse claims in the Boy Scouts of America.

00:26:07.000 Boy Scouts of America always said, oh, it's a couple isolated incidents.

00:26:10.000 We've dealt with it.

00:26:11.000 Just came out last week.

00:26:12.000 89,000 former members of the Boy Scouts of America come out and said that they were sexually abused by people in the hierarchy of the Boy Scouts of America.

00:26:20.000 Why do I use all these examples?

00:26:21.000 Hiding in plain sight, we have seen massive pockets of untouched evil that once we expose it, we're like, yeah, we always knew that.

00:26:30.000 No, you didn't.

00:26:30.000 And you try to shut us up when we try talking about it.

00:26:33.000 And so here's a really important thought experience.

00:26:35.000 And I say this, by the way, and there's plenty of people that just talk about things that just aren't true.

00:26:39.000 I don't do that.

00:26:40.000 I ask questions, and I also don't tell you to call timeout when I hear something that might be a little provocative.

00:26:46.000 I think, well, maybe it's true, maybe not.

00:26:48.000 And that's also what freedom of speech is.

00:26:50.000 It makes you go deeper into ideas.

00:26:53.000 But think to yourself, what are they telling you that is not true that actually might be true right now?

00:27:01.000 That's something that's really important to wrestle with because the law of averages tells you right now there's something that we're believing, that we're accepting, that eventually will come to light to be proven not true.

00:27:13.000 What that is, I don't know.

00:27:15.000 But I have some theories.

00:27:17.000 There's plenty of things I can think of.

00:27:19.000 The topic of censorship is one.

00:27:21.000 So here's the three big issues, too, by the way.

00:27:23.000 And I made a podcast probably a month or two ago of why I'm voting for Trump and why.

00:27:26.000 I got a little backlash from it, which I kind of expected, but I think most people understood where I was coming from.

00:27:30.000 But the three big issues I see this country facing right now are censorship, censorship, socialism, and of course, the shutdown, which has radically changed the way we lived the past six to seven months, eight months probably now.

00:27:42.000 But those are the three big ones.

00:27:43.000 But one of the ones that's been kind of hanging around for the past few years that's gone sort of under the radar until lately is censorship.

00:27:50.000 And that has been, you know, conservative voices especially have been getting censored left and right.

00:27:54.000 Even guys like Alex Jones, who I'm not even really a fan of.

00:27:56.000 I don't really like his stuff.

00:27:58.000 I don't listen to his content much.

00:27:59.000 But when he got censored a few years back and got deplatformed off everything, I was like, this is a huge step in the wrong direction.

00:28:05.000 Even if you don't like this guy, which I didn't like him at the time, I like him a little bit more now, but I don't really follow his stuff.

00:28:11.000 It's a huge mistake to do that because once you get one guy like that down, everybody's going to start following.

00:28:16.000 And now they've even started censoring Trump the last few months with the election stuff that he's posting.

00:28:20.000 Every single post that he has now on Facebook comes with a little asterisk underneath it saying that Joe Biden's the president-elect, which actually he's not.

00:28:26.000 But the point is, once you start censoring people online or anywhere, it becomes a huge problem.

00:28:33.000 Like we were talking about a moment ago, you can't hear the other side.

00:28:35.000 And then you become more radicalized in your belief because you're just sitting around talking, discussing with the same people, having that one viewpoint.

00:28:42.000 There's no place for discourse or argument or actually coming up with new ideas.

00:28:46.000 What's your take on censorship, though?

00:28:49.000 Well, I mean, I agree.

00:28:50.000 And even if there's people you disagree with that are being censored or people you don't like their style, you should absolutely defend their right to be able to have platform access.

00:28:58.000 And the Alex Jones case is really creepy because all the tech companies did it at once.

00:29:03.000 They almost acted as a cartel.

00:29:05.000 Almost they acted against cartel laws that we had and they all deplatformed him at once.

00:29:11.000 And it really, it went from there and no one said anything.

00:29:15.000 And then some people said something.

00:29:17.000 Well, they said it was justified because he had these crazy conspiracy theories and this and that.

00:29:21.000 And it was like, oh, well, he can't be saying this nonsense because it's all unproven.

00:29:24.000 And the Sandy Hook thing was wrong about Sandy Hook.

00:29:26.000 But that's what they said. 0.99

00:29:27.000 They justified it.

00:29:28.000 And then once you justify that, everything else can be justified.

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:32.000 And without getting too far into the details of that, it's now become a pattern, right?

00:29:36.000 And so they used that as their opening shot.

00:29:39.000 And then the pattern now has been, oh, we're going to censor the New York Post from sharing a Hunter Biden story that's been verified.

00:29:45.000 Now we're going to censor Kaylee McEnany.

00:29:47.000 And we knew that was going to happen.

00:29:48.000 We knew that sequence of events was going to unfold.

00:29:51.000 And look, censorship is one of the biggest issues in our country.

00:29:54.000 And the reason this is happening is because we've given way too much power to data companies that engage in surveillance capitalism, where they sell you.

00:30:03.000 You are a user.

00:30:05.000 Only illegal drugs and social media call the people that use their products users, not customers, but users, because they're highly chemically addictive and they're designed to have you keep coming back.

00:30:15.000 And one of the things that we have to get very serious about is has social media and this entire craze towards kind of appeasing our digital pacifiers, which you can call your phone, your digital pacifier, is that something that has actually made our country a better place?

00:30:30.000 Are we exploring more ideas?

00:30:32.000 Are we more mature?

00:30:33.000 Are we more nuanced?

00:30:35.000 And there's probably some benefits.

00:30:36.000 We probably know more people's birthdays that we wouldn't otherwise know.

00:30:39.000 We could probably keep better tabs on our friends.

00:30:41.000 We could probably see a couple of things that we wouldn't otherwise see.

00:30:44.000 But generally, there's something really disturbing that's happening with the rise of social media.

00:30:50.000 And you just take Facebook and Google, for example.

00:30:52.000 Their combined market cap is almost $2 trillion if you put them together.

00:30:56.000 $2 trillion.

00:30:58.000 Now, their predominant value is really sourced in their data.

00:31:03.000 They're not making anything in hardware.

00:31:04.000 Now, Google does fiber and Facebook has Oculus, but the main part of their value is you.

00:31:10.000 So they have successfully mined the American population.

00:31:14.000 So there's a lot of hatred on the American left for ExxonMobil or for continental resources.

00:31:19.000 Say what you will about them.

00:31:20.000 They actually have to extract something that you know you're going to use.

00:31:24.000 Driving a car, keeping a hospital going in the middle of the night in a snowstorm in New Hampshire, right?

00:31:29.000 There's an actual mineral quality to the extraction of oil and natural gas.

00:31:33.000 What is Facebook mining every single day?

00:31:35.000 What are they fracking?

00:31:37.000 Facebook is fracking human beings.

00:31:39.000 Seriously.

00:31:40.000 They are fracking 5,000 unique data points on every single American citizen, profiling, predicting, and addicting, profiling, mining, and addicting every single American to then be able to say, how can I make you come back to our product, which would come back to our network and then buy products from the other biggest companies that can afford our advertising rates?

00:31:40.000 Yeah.

00:32:04.000 And so what we have here, the only reason why censorship is now the question it is, is not because of the government.

00:32:10.000 This is a really important point.

00:32:11.000 The government's, we've done our job.

00:32:13.000 We've taken over the Senate.

00:32:14.000 We've appointed justices.

00:32:16.000 If you and I wanted to have this podcast discussion right now in front of the state house in Austin, we could do it.

00:32:24.000 We could apply for a free speech certificate.

00:32:27.000 We go do that.

00:32:28.000 Good big megaphones and have a rally, whatever.

00:32:30.000 Okay. 0.85

00:32:31.000 That would be protected speech, even if we were saying wacko things.

00:32:35.000 But if you and I want to say this on YouTube, we are now subject to a censor who's wearing his pajamas in Menlo Park that's working for Facebook or Google.

00:32:44.000 That's very creepy.

00:32:46.000 And now we have the entire kind of, let's say, the landscape of speech is now very concentrated to a group of companies and even more creepy, a group of people that control these companies that very well could determine whether or not you and I are allowed to even speak at all.

00:33:05.000 Yeah.

00:33:06.000 And I've heard too, I'm pretty sure this is true, not 100%, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of these monitors now are actually Chinese individuals, either Chinese Americans or even working overseas from China that the hires, you know, just virtually higher, which is obviously very easy to do. 0.51

00:33:21.000 And that's kind of scary too.

00:33:23.000 Obviously, with what's going on and the fact that we're in sort of a covert war with China right now.

00:33:29.000 And, you know, there's many people that believe that they let this virus go on intentionally from Wuhan and I believe it as well. 0.61

00:33:37.000 And, you know, so just the fact that they're now censoring a lot of our posts and taking over a lot of our organizations.

00:33:42.000 And you have like Facebook and Twitter.

00:33:44.000 A lot of these CEOs and founders of these companies are directly aligned with China.

00:33:49.000 And then you have NBA.

00:33:50.000 And, you know, there's so many companies and organizations in America that have ties to China.

00:33:55.000 It's kind of scary when you think about it.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, I mean, the Chinese Communist Party basically runs our country. 0.90

00:34:01.000 And it's news because of a bipartisan group of corporate elites that sold out our country and wanted to get a maximized profit margin, but didn't care if they hollowed out the backbone of our country. 0.82

00:34:11.000 Yeah, it's been happening for a long time.

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00:35:16.000 Speaking of the news, like the fake news and 95% of the coverage of Trump, this election cycle was negative.

00:35:22.000 There was a stat that came out a couple of weeks ago.

00:35:24.000 It just kind of shocking to see how one-sided they really are.

00:35:28.000 And I think that's a huge problem as well with why a lot of these people are sort of brainwashed into believing a certain belief and not having at least the open-mindedness to consider another point of view.

00:35:39.000 I think the fake news is a big part of that.

00:35:40.000 I'm just wondering if you have any ideas on how that could be corrected or fixed.

00:35:46.000 Yeah, I mean, it starts with what you consume.

00:35:48.000 So every person here should unsubscribe from Apple News.

00:35:52.000 Every person should subscribe to our podcast, your podcast, get news from people you trust, that they won't allow you to be censored, go out of your way to support those people.

00:36:01.000 And then we need to just start creating new institutions.

00:36:03.000 We need to support groups like Just the News.

00:36:05.000 We need to support Breitbart.

00:36:06.000 We need to support all these guys that are going out of their way to do the hard work and do the actual work that is necessary to cover the news and information that is really missing on the landscape right now.

00:36:17.000 And look, the CNNs and the New York Times, they're going to have a very difficult business model to justify with their very, very heavy overhead the moment if Trump leaves office in January and some of these election litigation and these fights don't go the way we want them to.

00:36:31.000 Because all of a sudden the let's remove Trump at all costs thing is not going to work that well.

00:36:36.000 And people are then now going to turn on CNN and say, wait a second, we control the government.

00:36:40.000 What are we actually doing?

00:36:41.000 And they're going to have a tapering off effect and their business model is going to implode.

00:36:45.000 And what they're going to do, and you'll be able to play this clip back in six months from now, they're going to try to act as if the KKK has like Operation Paperclip and they've infiltrated the government.

00:36:54.000 We have to go find all the white supremacists that have infiltrated our country, which is insane, not true.

00:37:00.000 But the point is that they're going to keep the narrative going.

00:37:02.000 They're going to say that Trump is still the enemy, even though he's not in office.

00:37:06.000 Trump supporters are the ones that are blocking the agenda.

00:37:08.000 The villain is not going to change.

00:37:10.000 It's not.

00:37:11.000 The only thing that will change is how they present the villain.

00:37:14.000 And CNN and New York Times, they do villain-based journalism.

00:37:18.000 And the only villain that they are willing to touch are conservatives, that we are the worst thing ever, that Trump supporters are venom, that we must be eradicated, that the entire population must be metaphorically inoculated against us, and that they have any moral justification to destroy us at any means necessary.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, it's pretty sickening, the just one-sidedness and bias that's so apparent. 0.74

00:37:39.000 But then you have, you know, Newsmax and I think OAN, American News Network, whatever the hell it's called.

00:37:45.000 I hope they get on Comcast soon because they're not on Comcast, but they are on direct TV.

00:37:48.000 And there's some other stations out there that are coming up that I think are going to take a lot of those viewerships.

00:37:53.000 Yeah, and I tell older people that are like, well, I don't get the channels I want.

00:37:57.000 Okay, so go get a Roku and go, and then all of a sudden you can access YouTube on your television screen, right?

00:38:08.000 Or just go get a Samsung smart TV, which I don't love Samsung, but whatever.

00:38:12.000 The point is that if you get a smart TV, then your cable provider means next to nothing.

00:38:17.000 All you have to do then is your internet connection becomes your television.

00:38:20.000 So just go watch YouTube on your TV.

00:38:23.000 That's what I do every night.

00:38:24.000 I'll go watch lectures or updates from people I actually enjoy.

00:38:29.000 I don't actually watch cable news anymore.

00:38:31.000 Very few people do.

00:38:32.000 And then you can get the best of Newsmax.

00:38:34.000 You get the best of all these other things.

00:38:35.000 And that's one way you can short-circuit it.

00:38:37.000 Again, I know YouTube censors us.

00:38:39.000 That's not the point.

00:38:40.000 The point is, you could also get Rumble on there.

00:38:42.000 You can get other platforms where all of a sudden your TV should no longer just be the cable box that it's affiliated with.

00:38:48.000 It should be just nothing more than a screen or a portal to millions of other destinations that cannot be touched or censored.

00:38:55.000 Yeah, that's the beauty about the tech age that we're living in.

00:38:58.000 Like, that's the good part of the things that we have: we have this open, even the podcast right now.

00:39:02.000 Like, we have the ability to reach a lot of people doing this type of thing.

00:39:04.000 That's right.

00:39:06.000 I want to ask you about the sort of war on men, I guess you could call it, of the past few years and what your take is on the changing gender roles and how sort of the American man has been under attack in many ways by the left and by some of these extremists.

00:39:24.000 And what your advice is for guys listening to the show.

00:39:27.000 Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely a war on men in our country.

00:39:30.000 And I mean, men are far more likely to die at work, far more likely to commit suicide, far more likely to go to prison, far less likely to graduate from college, get a master's degree, get a doctorate, doctoral degree, far more likely to go into bankruptcy, far more likely to go to war and die at war, all these sorts of different metrics.

00:39:47.000 I can go on and on and on.

00:39:48.000 And yet we're supposed to believe that we're living in some sort of patriarchy, that we are living in sort of some sort of heteronormative cisgender power struggle. 0.99

00:39:57.000 It is absolute foolishness. 0.79

00:39:58.000 And what we have done is we've designed all of our systems. 0.89

00:40:00.000 We've hyper-feminized our educational system. 0.99

00:40:03.000 And it's created really unhappy women by the time they reach 30 years old. 1.00

00:40:07.000 They're not married. 0.94

00:40:08.000 And by the way, there's plenty of corporate achieving women that deserve to be recognized what they've done. 1.00

00:40:14.000 Most of which I've met are incredibly miserable people. 1.00

00:40:17.000 So what they end up doing is they move to the urban cities in our country. 0.83

00:40:21.000 They end up marrying these metrosexual men.

00:40:25.000 And no offense to them, but it's just the way it is. 1.00

00:40:27.000 It's just very low on muscle mass and ambition.

00:40:31.000 And they're more kind of a partner than a husband. 0.91

00:40:35.000 And then what ends up happening, if you play this out over time, you have women that end up then filling the archetypical male in the relationship, not the female. 0.76

00:40:45.000 And I'm a huge believer in traditional gender roles.

00:40:49.000 They're there for a reason. 1.00

00:40:50.000 And that's not to say, and everyone says, well, you just want women barefoot in the kitchen.

00:40:55.000 I've never said that, but I do think that women should be able to be given the freedom and the flexibility to be able to have a family and raise that family if they want.

00:41:04.000 And the man should, we should be able to have an economy where the man can be the sole breadwinner for the family and the woman doesn't have to go into the workforce economically and then I have to provide.

00:41:14.000 So that plays a role on it too.

00:41:16.000 But a lot of this is that, look, I'm not a singular blame on here because I think that there are some people that overly emphasize the societal or overly emphasize the individual.

00:41:26.000 I'm actually going to emphasize both.

00:41:28.000 I think that men need to do a much better job of taking responsibility for their life when they turn 16, 17, or 18, which means you play a lot less video games.

00:41:34.000 You stop doing drugs, stop doing alcohol, actually go find something worthwhile and commit yourself to that and go follow the.

00:41:41.000 I'm a Christian.

00:41:41.000 I think this all comes from the Bible.

00:41:43.000 Actually, follow the laws and the teaching of the Bible and apply that correctly.

00:41:46.000 But also, we got a lot of work to do to make sure that the society that we're actually entering, that we're actually sending young men into, is not all of a sudden going to be nearly impossible for them to do that.

00:41:56.000 Where it's the exception, not the rule for you.

00:41:58.000 And so I think it's actually a blend of both, where it's the public policy decisions and also the kind of the infantilization of young men.

00:42:06.000 And so all the things you're talking about are absolutely right.

00:42:09.000 We're on pace to have 500,000 less babies next year than this year.

00:42:13.000 We've been talking about this on our podcast for quite some time.

00:42:16.000 We're the only podcast that has actually been calling it what it is, which is a civilizational collapse.

00:42:20.000 I saw the Brookings Institution study early.

00:42:24.000 We were laughed.

00:42:24.000 We were mocked.

00:42:25.000 We were ridiculed.

00:42:26.000 I said, as soon as the lockdowns came, we're going to see a decrease and a decline in birth rates, which is the opposite of what you think would happen, right?

00:42:33.000 Less people at home, more people bored, more people can find escalation of birth rates.

00:42:37.000 No.

00:42:37.000 Why?

00:42:38.000 I said, because more people are doing birth control.

00:42:40.000 More people now no longer consider children to be essential.

00:42:43.000 They now consider children to be like, I'll have one of each.

00:42:46.000 We have the secular humanization of our culture.

00:42:48.000 We have this kind of devolution into believing that children are a burden, not a blessing.

00:42:55.000 And men less likely to take ownership or responsibility for the family and do not have the social supports around them to make it possible.

00:43:01.000 And it's also economically unfeasible for them to make it happen.

00:43:05.000 And now we're living through this really, really dangerous moment where we are going to have a population collapse and a civilizational collapse alongside it in our country.

00:43:13.000 And so I'm happy to dive into what I think some remedies and solutions are to that.

00:43:17.000 But for young men listening to this right now, I'll do the part of trying to demand a country and a public policy portfolio that make it easier for you.

00:43:25.000 But seriously, go take responsibility for your life.

00:43:28.000 Stop blaming other people and stop doing things that you're addicted to.

00:43:31.000 That means drugs.

00:43:32.000 That means looking at your phone on things you shouldn't be looking at.

00:43:35.000 That means stop acting in an impure, unpure way.

00:43:39.000 Be loyal to an idea.

00:43:40.000 Be loyal to a person.

00:43:41.000 Be loyal to a set of values and be loyal to a country.

00:43:44.000 That is the idea of being an ultimate man in the West, is that you're loyal, but not just loyal to a woman, not just loyal to a country, but loyal to the value in the pursuit of truth, the value in the pursuit of beauty.

00:43:57.000 And the reason why you've seen all these terrible trends, suicide, social isolation, drugs, all these sorts of things, is because we have not done those sorts of things.

00:44:06.000 We haven't.

00:44:07.000 And our parents did generally a really poor job.

00:44:09.000 My parents did a good job, but I'm talking about parents in general in our generation did a horrible job.

00:44:14.000 And now we're living the consequences of that.

00:44:16.000 A lot there to unpack.

00:44:17.000 So you can go any way you want.

00:44:19.000 There is a lot to unpack.

00:44:21.000 But I think one of the biggest things, too, and by the work, by the way, Dr. John Gray, I don't know if you're familiar with this work.

00:44:26.000 The guy who wrote Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus.

00:44:29.000 He is a lot of.

00:44:29.000 I'm familiar with the book.

00:44:31.000 Okay.

00:44:32.000 He's a brilliant guy, actually, across all fields.

00:44:34.000 He's very, you know, into health and all kinds of stuff.

00:44:36.000 But he talks about sort of the same breakdown of the American, the modern family in the past 50 years and how feminism is actually really bad.

00:44:47.000 And especially now, like when it first started, there was a lot of good to it. 0.99

00:44:50.000 There's certainly a lot of good.

00:44:51.000 And then equal rights and all that stuff.

00:44:53.000 That was all great.

00:44:54.000 But over the years, like the last couple of decades, it's really gone to hell.

00:44:57.000 And one of those reasons is for all multiple reasons.

00:45:01.000 It's a very complicated matter. 0.81

00:45:03.000 But one of the biggest reasons is the incentivization, incentivization of women to be single as opposed to marriage.

00:45:11.000 And especially in the black community, we've talked about this in the past as well on the podcast and the breakdown of the family dynamic in the black community, especially where the father leaves and then the woman is relying on the government for social benefits, welfare, et cetera.

00:45:25.000 But that also transcends across all races and across all family dynamics.

00:45:30.000 And I think it is a huge part of why men sort of don't really know their place in society because the government has sort of come in the past few generations and taken over.

00:45:41.000 Like they're now the provider to a lot of these families.

00:45:43.000 And guys.

00:45:45.000 And I nuance it.

00:45:46.000 I think it's on both sides.

00:45:47.000 Yeah, I do.

00:45:48.000 I think that we've had an awful sequence of public policy decisions.

00:45:52.000 I also think culturally we've done an awful job and we've given young men a hall pass. 0.93

00:45:55.000 I think it's both. 0.99

00:45:56.000 Yeah.

00:45:57.000 So generally speaking, we got to make changes, I think, to the structure of the system and stop incentivizing as much.

00:46:03.000 But also guys certainly need to step up.

00:46:05.000 And we talk about guys stepping up on this show all the time and being the provider.

00:46:10.000 Totally. 0.71

00:46:10.000 So what ends up happening is if I spend too much time focusing on the public policy choices, then all of a sudden young men are like, oh, well, I'm just going to give up because it's an excuse. 0.71

00:46:21.000 Exactly.

00:46:21.000 And if I end up spending too much time on the individual, go improve your life, take application, you're not a victim, all of which are true, then all of a sudden they're going to lose a little bit of faith after a while because they're going to see how hard it actually is.

00:46:35.000 So I feel if I do both, that I'm realistic to the young man that's going to have to apply himself and understands how difficult it's going to be.

00:46:43.000 But what I find is that we're creating a generation of fully grown infants.

00:46:49.000 Yeah.

00:46:50.000 I absolutely agree.

00:46:50.000 And that's what we're living through right now.

00:46:51.000 I absolutely agree.

00:46:52.000 I think it comes down to responsibility and taking responsibility over your life.

00:46:55.000 That is the most, that is the operative word.

00:46:57.000 The biggest thing right there.

00:46:58.000 But as far as the shutdowns go, I want to get your take on that real quick.

00:47:02.000 I know we've got to wrap up in a couple of minutes, but what is your take on the shutdowns and where we're at right now and where you think we should be heading with that whole disaster of government policy and just the last few months of how it's all been?

00:47:15.000 Open the country up fully.

00:47:16.000 Trust people to make good choices.

00:47:18.000 If you think masks work, then wear a mask.

00:47:20.000 If you don't think they work, then don't wear a mask.

00:47:22.000 Treat people like mature adults.

00:47:24.000 Protect their liberty.

00:47:25.000 I have been calling for the full opening of America since April 12th.

00:47:29.000 I cannot believe this is still an issue.

00:47:31.000 I cannot believe that we have not opened our country.

00:47:33.000 This is a mass power grab of social reconstructionism, of social conditioning, of the great reset.

00:47:41.000 And if anyone here is still abiding by lockdown orders, I got a lot of questions for you.

00:47:47.000 You should disobey.

00:47:48.000 You should disobey publicly.

00:47:50.000 You should disobey daily.

00:47:51.000 You should show them that these lockdown orders don't mean anything.

00:47:54.000 There's nothing loving and compassionate about saving lives in asterisks by saying, all of a sudden, you're going to stay home.

00:48:01.000 What is saving lives is respecting people's liberty to stay at home if they feel they need to against a virus that very well might infect you and kill you if you're over the age of 60 and you have a certain subset of underlying health conditions.

00:48:13.000 That's called liberty.

00:48:14.000 It's called responsibility.

00:48:16.000 We have totally forgotten about that in our society.

00:48:19.000 And we have these micromanagers that are coming in and saying, no, all of a sudden I don't like this outburst in this community.

00:48:25.000 No youth sports.

00:48:26.000 And kids are like, it has nothing to do with youth sports.

00:48:29.000 Nothing.

00:48:30.000 So what if a bunch of eight-year-olds get the Chinese coronavirus?

00:48:32.000 Nothing.

00:48:33.000 Statistics are, I mean, if they die from it, they have now beaten the odds.

00:48:37.000 They're more likely to die from an accidental fireworks discharge.

00:48:41.000 They're more likely to die driving to school or driving to an activity.

00:48:47.000 The risk tolerance is perfectly acceptable for people under the age of 30 is what I mean.

00:48:53.000 We have things that we tolerate in Western society that allow us to live a good life.

00:48:57.000 If it's all about safetyism, then go send our entire generation to Rikers Island and give us three meals a day and we'll never interact with another human being again.

00:49:06.000 People think that's ludicrous.

00:49:07.000 You're right.

00:49:08.000 That called no freedom and liberty.

00:49:10.000 And so we have now created our entire country into Rikers Island.

00:49:13.000 Yeah, it's literally insane.

00:49:15.000 I've been saying the same thing since April March as well.

00:49:18.000 Real quick, what are your thoughts?

00:49:19.000 What's your take on Trump's chances left to actually overturn this election?

00:49:23.000 I did want to bring that up.

00:49:24.000 I know you had a guy on your show about a month, maybe three weeks ago or so.

00:49:27.000 I listened to one of the episodes, Lieutenant McEnaney or something like that.

00:49:30.000 McInerney.

00:49:31.000 McInerney, correct?

00:49:32.000 Yeah, it's a tough one.

00:49:34.000 But that was a really interesting episode.

00:49:35.000 He was talking about the whole Dominion thing and the hammer and nail and all that stuff.

00:49:39.000 But at the end of the thing, end of the episode, he said he'd give about 90% chance of Trump actually winning this thing.

00:49:45.000 And his only doubt was that the Supreme Court might not come into his favor.

00:49:49.000 What are your thoughts on it?

00:49:49.000 What are your chances of him actually taking this thing?

00:49:52.000 It's hard to handicap the odds.

00:49:54.000 I mean, we're on top of this thing every single day.

00:49:56.000 And I don't want to say it looks good or I don't want to say it looks bad.

00:49:59.000 Here's what I do know is that the odds of him pulling it out are completely irrelevant to how hard I actually fight on this.

00:50:05.000 It's actually irrelevant.

00:50:06.000 And this is a good lesson for people is pursue the moral good regardless of whether or not you think you're going to win.

00:50:12.000 And the best kind of illustration of this is nowhere near the type of courage it took to do this versus what we're doing today is when those young men stormed Normandy Beach on D-Day, their chances of dying were very high.

00:50:26.000 They did it anyway because they were pursuing a moral good.

00:50:29.000 If they were trying to actually weigh whether or not they thought they were going to win, a lot of them would have turned around.

00:50:36.000 Instead, they pursued it because they understood the purpose.

00:50:39.000 They understood exactly what was why they were fighting.

00:50:42.000 When 3,000 Americans died on Omaha Beach, that was for a reason.

00:50:48.000 Again, I'm not comparing what we're doing here to the heroic courage of our veterans.

00:50:52.000 What I am saying is I'm using it as an illustration of our heroes and inspiration.

00:50:56.000 That's what I am using it as, as saying that when you find something that is worth fighting, dismiss the Vegas probability odds and just go do it.

00:51:04.000 And then whatever ends up happening is the result.

00:51:07.000 I'm afraid with the handicapping of odds, sometimes it gives reason and excuses for people to fight less or not contest as much as they otherwise would have.

00:51:15.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:51:16.000 Fair point.

00:51:17.000 And are you a fan of the Game of Thrones?

00:51:20.000 I am.

00:51:21.000 It reminds me of the picture of that one where Jon Snow just like drops his guard belt for the sword and he's like taking on the whole cavalry of charging forces and you think he's screwed and then the last second his guys come up and they all start fighting and he ends up winning the battle.

00:51:34.000 It's kind of like the same thing.

00:51:35.000 It's one of my favorite scenes.

00:51:36.000 But it's like you got to do what's good.

00:51:38.000 You got to fight for the very end no matter how bad the odds are.

00:51:41.000 And I actually think that he is going to pull this off if you ask me personally.

00:51:44.000 I've been looking at Rudy.

00:51:46.000 Dick Morris is another good guy who's on top of this as well.

00:51:49.000 And I think he's going to do it.

00:51:50.000 And there's also some amendments, which you probably know a lot more of than made the 12th Amendment.

00:51:54.000 And there's this executive order he signed in 2018 where he's got some power if there's outside election interference from another country, which clearly there was.

00:52:01.000 And, you know, I'm optimistic, but like you, I'm not going to, you know, stop the fight.

00:52:06.000 What is something, though, that we can do to support the cause and to support the fight that's currently going on?

00:52:11.000 As our listeners, as someone like me who'd like to participate more in this, what is something just the general public can do to support the cause?

00:52:18.000 I mean, the best thing that every person can do is to take responsibility for your sphere of influence.

00:52:24.000 And so that means to be a precinct committeeman, to host your own rally or protest in your neighborhood.

00:52:28.000 That means to start a phone bank.

00:52:30.000 The point is that don't outsource your activism.

00:52:33.000 It's a very important point.

00:52:34.000 We've outsourced enough to Wuhan and to the, you know, the Chinese through our manufacturing. 1.00

00:52:39.000 Take responsibility for your own political activism. 1.00

00:52:43.000 That means I am going to take it very seriously when I see my country go in a direction I don't like.

00:52:48.000 I am going to make the phone calls, knock on the doors, become a precinct committee man, run for office, school board.

00:52:54.000 That is exactly what has needed to be done.

00:52:55.000 And then also if people want to get involved in a specific election fight, they can support our program.

00:53:00.000 We've been on top of it.

00:53:01.000 We've been doing probably 50 hours of programming.

00:53:03.000 It's charliekirk.com slash support.

00:53:05.000 We've been on top of it more than any other voice that I think that is kind of in the mainstream, if you will.

00:53:11.000 I mean, we've been unafraid to really go in.

00:53:12.000 It's come at a very high personal cost for us. 0.96

00:53:15.000 A lot of censorship, a lot of tech nonsense, a lot of advertiser boycotts, all that crap, right? 0.75

00:53:22.000 But that's just a reason for us to continue to do it. 0.84

00:53:24.000 All right, cool.

00:53:25.000 So what's the last send-off takeaway message you'd like to leave the Elite Man audience?

00:53:28.000 And then at least our listeners can check out the links to your podcast and also that support link that you were just talking about.

00:53:34.000 Yeah, if just the last message is we live in the greatest country ever.

00:53:38.000 There's plenty of problems.

00:53:40.000 We're going to try and fix them.

00:53:41.000 But be thankful, not angry you live here and apply yourself correctly and go pursue an ultimate good.

00:53:47.000 Go pursue what is true.

00:53:49.000 Go pursue what is beautiful and contest and fight for it.

00:53:52.000 And stop complaining.

00:53:53.000 I have enough people complaining in my ear all day long.

00:53:56.000 I get nothing but complaints in my email inbox.

00:53:58.000 I want to hear stories of success and overcoming adversity. 0.99

00:54:01.000 That's what it means to be an American, not a Belgian. 0.97

00:54:03.000 And that's what we need to continue to protect.

00:54:06.000 And what's the links for the site?

00:54:08.000 CharlieKirk.com if they want to check it out.

00:54:10.000 And if they want to support us, it's charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:54:13.000 If they want to send me an email, I read every email.

00:54:15.000 Don't respond to them all, but I read them all.

00:54:17.000 They can email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:54:19.000 All right.

00:54:19.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:54:20.000 Thanks so much for coming on the show, man.

00:54:21.000 I know we're guys are going to love this one.

00:54:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:54:26.000 If you want to email us, it's freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:54:29.000 I encourage every student listening to get involved with Turning PointUSA at tpusa.com.

00:54:34.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.

00:54:36.000 God bless you.

00:54:37.000 Speak to you soon.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 08, 2020

Why a Masculine Renaissance is Needed to Defeat Cowardly Tyrants

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