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00:01:13.000You know, honestly, what happened to us is we didn't know what to do as a church.
00:01:17.000I had not dealt in the political realm.
00:01:20.000Guys would call me from the outside that wanted, you know, during seasons where there were elections going on, and they'd be like, hey, can I come to your church?
00:01:31.000I didn't realize the importance of putting the right people in the right places.
00:01:35.000And so when you started to help us as pastors and introduced me to other pastors like Rob McCoy and when they took our rights away, that's when the gloves went on.
00:04:09.000And I think even Mark would agree with me that it's not healthy to be thinking about politics all the time.
00:04:15.000I say this as someone who benefits from it because I do a three-hour show and our views are up and our ratings are up.
00:04:21.000In some ways, I have to kind of encourage the audience, like, guys, there's other things in life besides politics.
00:04:27.000But the reason why that politics has become so important is that we have one political party or one political movement that wants something so against the American tradition.
00:04:38.000And I could just go through, or just you call common sense, just honestly, what is right and wrong.
00:04:42.000I mean, they're arguing that we shouldn't have a border.
00:04:46.000They argue that kids can decide for themselves and as far as what gender they are, and they can go under irreversible, damaging surgery.
00:04:56.000They are arguing for post-birth abortion.
00:04:59.000I mean, I can go through the list, and the level of intensity only increases.
00:05:05.000And there's only so much of this the country can take.
00:05:09.000And especially with all the nonsense that happened back in the 2020 election, a lot of people feel as if that we had it pretty good and things were going really well.
00:05:17.000And then all of a sudden, you know, the guy who got the most votes ever, who, by the way, if you haven't seen it today, it's pretty remarkable.
00:06:03.000But we feel as if something is being taken from us.
00:06:07.000And almost every problem our country is facing right now is self-inflicted, which is why I think there's so much energy behind this election.
00:06:18.000We could decide to put our citizens first when it comes to appropriating resources and not funding foreign proxy wars while our own country falls apart.
00:06:26.000We can decide to allow parents to be the ones in charge of their children's sexual education.
00:07:13.000Then the other part is that we need to go a level deeper, which is what is the perverse psychology that makes something great or somebody great decide to kill oneself.
00:08:06.000It's not the country I grew up in, and I'm 30 years old.
00:08:08.000I mean, 10 years ago, we were a happier, more joyful country.
00:08:12.000Every possible objective metric is we are the most alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, suicidal generation and country in history.
00:08:22.000And I think there is this yearning, and it's happening in multiple ways, where finally there'll be a consensus where we decide to stop damaging ourselves.
00:08:30.000And that's really what's on the ballot in November.
00:08:41.000I'm not even offended because I've heard it all.
00:08:43.000But the one thing that I won't put up with, though, is if you think that things are going swimmingly, and if you think, like, yeah, you know, I think it's great that this superpower that has been the greatest experiment in self-government in the history of the planet, that's been the envy of every country ever to exist in the history of the world, that we're just going to allow ourselves to slit the throat of lady liberty and call it progress.
00:09:05.000Like, yeah, I'm not going to put up with that, actually.
00:09:07.000That's what's on the ballot coming in a moment.
00:09:09.000So would you say, Charlie, would you say that this year is a tipping point, or would you say that there was a tipping point and we're down the slide and we need to, this is the change that needs to happen.
00:09:22.000I think of, okay, if we do elect Trump and things get moving in the right direction, if we don't elect him, what's going to happen to our country?
00:09:31.000Look, if we don't elect him, I go to work the next day and I'm going to keep fighting, and I hope you'll join me.
00:09:50.000We're basically bordered by two countries that don't necessarily hate us, even though we're being invaded by one.
00:09:57.000But the point is that it was such a unique superpower that most superpowers have enemies that are just a couple hundred miles away or they don't have access to natural resources.
00:10:05.000So the ability to recover as a nation, God has given us so many second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chances.
00:10:12.000So I'm not going to play into fatalism.
00:10:14.000But yeah, it certainly makes the chance of a decent country less likely.
00:10:21.000And at the same time, I'll push back, and I don't mean this as an insult, but there are some people that are baby boomers, and they'll tell me, Charlie, America will never collapse and never fail because we've been through worse before.
00:10:35.000And I don't know where this insane line of thinking came from, but anything can collapse and fall.
00:10:40.000And that kind of pride, by the way, is asking for God to topple you as the greatest nation, okay?
00:10:46.000In fact, maybe we should have some humility and be like, wow, we might never have a great country again.
00:10:51.000And only by the grace and glory of God can we have this country get back to a place of righteousness.
00:10:57.000And so it's hard for me to assess, Troy, because my attitude is always, what do I do?
00:11:03.000And I'm a fighter, and I'm in the arena, and I try to organize.
00:11:57.000Not a bunch of people, no, I mean, not a bunch of people with American flags taking selfies in the Capitol Rotunda, you know, live-action role-playing as like a militia man.
00:12:24.000The fact that there's hundreds of thousands of people that unnecessarily died alone in hospitals when treatments could have been given to them, like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and intravenous therapy.
00:12:46.000And again, I don't want to come across as too bitter because I could do this forever, but I do think I am reflecting and mirroring the attitude of the every American because you see injustice after injustice and no justice rendered.
00:13:06.000And meanwhile, you see really decent people that might have got caught up in the wind of, like, for example, a guy by the name of Siaka Masakwa, who's become a friend.
00:13:31.000And like, that's the focus of our federal government, as if that's the threat to our country.
00:13:36.000Okay, we're being invaded on the southern border, and you have this amazing patriot who loves the nation, who takes a couple steps into the people's house and comes out and now has to stand federal trial and was arrested at Burbank Airport with his pregnant wife like hyperventilating next to him.
00:13:50.000Like, I'm sorry, whatever regime that is is an evil regime that does that.
00:13:56.000And the videotapes proving him innocent have disappeared.
00:14:03.000And the whole lies that are being fabricated.
00:14:06.000And that's one of the things that we really are trying to tell the church on, understand, when you are standing up for what's right, the news media is going to come after you.
00:15:00.000I mean, I caught the first half of the interview and Putin meanders for 30 minutes about abstract Russian history as if the American audience that Tucker is representing really cares about.
00:15:12.000Literally, he's like, and then in 949, Nicholas the Czar.
00:15:17.000And I kid you not, when you watch the interview tonight, it's like, really?
00:15:20.000And he goes on for like, and Tucker almost loses patience.
00:15:23.000He's like, I'm not sure why this is relevant.
00:15:25.000And Putin responds, like, oh no, I'm getting there.
00:15:44.000He believes in something completely different.
00:15:46.000But also, I didn't walk away thinking that we should go to war against this guy, right?
00:15:49.000I didn't walk away thinking that that's the greatest threat to the homeland, right?
00:15:53.000I look at him basically as this guy who's overseeing a declining population of an antiquated governing model, who's like really interested in reclaiming something that a document from 500 years ago says that he has.
00:16:27.000We use them as human shields for our own Western pride.
00:16:30.000There is now more and more credible reports that Tony Blinken went via Boris Johnson and obliterated a peace deal that could have ended this war before it really started.
00:16:41.000And so, yeah, I mean, I think it's great that Putin goes, I mean, that Tucker went and interviewed Putin.
00:16:47.000And I think that we should also, I think we have a moral right in the West to see who our government is trying to start a nuclear war with.
00:16:56.000I think that, and you should be your own judge, again, I didn't walk away fearing him.
00:17:00.000He just kind of seems like, how do I say this?
00:17:03.000Like the guy that can't stop talking about the old war stories from the 1960s and 70s.
00:17:09.000And I don't mean that in a negative way.
00:17:11.000He's so attached to a memory of the Soviet Union.
00:17:16.000I'm supposed to think that this guy's going to take over the world.
00:17:19.000It's like he goes 45 minutes talking about history in 990.
00:17:23.000You guys can see the interview for yourself.
00:17:36.000He just didn't want to be overly into a quagmire with the number one oil-producing country on the planet that has nuclear weapons that could be used as a hedge against China.
00:17:46.000And because of that, Putin didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was president.
00:17:50.000But one of the reasons why the Western media is now talking about arresting Tucker Carlson when he comes back to America for even conducting the interview is, and this is kind of a lesson that I can take away.
00:18:00.000Because they couldn't get the interview.
00:18:05.000I think it's even deeper than that, though.
00:18:08.000I think that when you talk, you all of a sudden de-radicalize a population.
00:18:13.000I can say this from being on college campuses, that when I have long conversations with these bitter activists, they tend to not be as fired up afterwards.
00:18:21.000And I mean, with some rare exceptions.
00:18:23.000And I think that the media would be super worried that all of a sudden the lies they've been telling us about Russia might actually come to an end.
00:18:30.000And the American people might kind of shrug their shoulders, be like, okay, don't love the guy, but why is this the number one threat that I have to watch every single day?
00:18:38.000And that is an existential threat to the US.
00:19:41.000What's happening on the southern border?
00:19:43.000And these are fighting-age males that are coming across the southern border.
00:19:47.000A small percentage that we see are families and all that.
00:19:51.000And even they are still trespassing and invading into our country.
00:19:54.000But when all of a sudden you have people that are speaking fluent Arabic and they look into the camera and they say, hey, everyone's going to know who I am very soon, using language that the 9-11 hijackers and bombers used.
00:20:06.000And it just begs the question, are these people, are we being invaded where there's going to be sleeper cells in the interior of the United States?
00:20:13.000And I don't have to speculate too much.
00:20:15.000Just look what's happening in New York recently.
00:20:17.000I mean, if you haven't seen the story, I encourage you to look at it.
00:20:20.000Especially if you're a liberal watching this, I think it actually might change your mind.
00:20:25.000You have these groups of thugs that come in and they beat up these police officers and they're let out with no bail.
00:20:31.000And while they're let out, they're giving the middle finger to the camera as if I hate you.
00:20:38.000And I just, it is so grotesque, and they're pushing America to a breaking and a boiling point.
00:20:45.000There's only so much of this that we can take.
00:20:47.000But I want to make sure we emphasize, I don't think the church talks about the border enough.
00:20:52.000You know, there's a lot of virtue signaling that goes on at times where people say, you know, America's a bad country because we once had slavery.
00:21:51.000In Yuma in particular, they have the river right there, Rio Grande River, and you can see the big Humvees and the cartel guys have the binoculars and they'll just kind of look exactly where to go.
00:22:24.000By the way, we have 115,000 fentanyl overdoses, drug overdoses, and nearly 60,000 fentanyl overdoses a year.
00:22:32.000And I think what drives all of us nuts is that to kind of connect the Ukraine and the Russian thing with this, is that even if you're totally on Team Ukraine, I just find it morally repulsive that our leaders have appropriated now $275 billion.
00:22:46.000They just approved another $95 billion, by the way, for a foreign conflict 5,000 miles away that does not have immediate bearing on our national security.
00:22:55.000And they can't even get their act together to close the southern border.
00:23:16.000Is that we have the new slave boats right now.
00:23:20.000And if you aren't consciously aware of it, then I encourage you to get sped up.
00:23:25.000And especially if you're leading a church, you need to educate your congregation on how we are turning a blind eye to the new North American slave trade, which is even bigger, more profitable, more institutionalized than what happened back in the slave.
00:23:59.000So there are, so we should love all people, always.
00:24:03.000And the idea, though, that your public policy must be unlimited amounts of people coming into your country is not only not biblically supported, the Bible tells you the exact opposite.
00:24:14.000So the idea of borders is biblical, okay?
00:24:18.000And it's in the first 11 books of Genesis.
00:24:20.000In Genesis 11, God rejected this idea of a one-world government in the city of Babel, and he created the idea of separate nations and decentralized power and sovereignty.
00:24:30.000The idea of sovereignty and not having one person, one group, one cartel, one organization control the planet, that only God controls the entire world is biblical.
00:24:40.000You see that with the story of Nimrod in the city of Babel.
00:24:42.000But even going beyond that, the entire book of Nehemiah is literally building the wall to protect the city, is to fortify your defenses from invasion.
00:24:51.000Now, there's also this amazing verse that gets glossed over in the book of Deuteronomy, which is one of my favorite books of the Bible.
00:24:57.000It's Moses' farewell address, and he was letting it rip, right?
00:25:00.000He knew he wasn't getting into the promised land, and he's like, I got a lot of problems with you people, and you're going to hear it.
00:25:05.000It was like, it was the first festivist.
00:27:02.000So out of all the books, both secular and religious, that were quoted the most in the founding of the country, Deuteronomy was by far quoted the most.
00:27:10.000Because Deuteronomy talks about separation of powers, consent to the governor, independent judiciary.
00:27:15.000The form of our government is directly inspired from Deuteronomy.
00:27:18.000And it makes sense because Moses is basically telling, like, hey, Joshua, like, this is how you set up the government.
00:27:23.000You're about to get into the land of milk and honey.
00:28:36.000I mean, not everyone here, but like a lot of churches, they're okay on the abortion thing.
00:28:41.000Maybe they're like totally silent on the LGBT thing, which we could talk about.
00:28:45.000But on the immigration thing, it's just they are, I find it's one of the most scripturally and theologically flimsy issues where they're like, well, I really don't know how to deal with this.
00:29:20.000That's super wonky and abstract, but it's important because we should have sympathy, which means to go alongside of compassion, which means to yearn for or to care for.
00:29:29.000And to be truly compassionate and caring and loving is to support the constitution of borders.
00:29:34.000And to say that a nation state has a moral right to exist.
00:29:40.000And the final point I'll say on this, which I think is just incredibly important, is that it's about destabilization.
00:30:28.000That's why it says in Jeremiah 29, 7, that we must demand the welfare or the shalom of the nation that we are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
00:30:37.000I think that's what's so key, though, is they change the dialogue because whoever controls the language controls the argument.
00:30:46.000And so it's not an unviable tissue mess.
00:31:14.000When you market it and you flip it and you twist it and you turn it any which way you can to make it palatable and digestible, then that's how they're doing this, is they're using words against us.
00:31:56.000They had no idea what was really going on.
00:31:59.000Yeah, and on the vaccine thing, I had strong opinions the entire time, and I know some of you probably got vaccinated.
00:32:06.000I do want to say, those of you that did get vaccinated, you were lied to, and you deserve better and justice because there are so many people that have ongoing health issues because of this thing.
00:32:18.000And I don't like when people ridicule the vaccinated.
00:32:21.000I feel sympathy because you were tortured.
00:34:23.000You know, you could tell that there was a lot of tension in there.
00:34:26.000Charlie, you know, expressed the faith in Jesus Christ in an amazing way, especially when you were getting ready to leave and you talked about it because they were, you know, you talked about abortion.
00:34:38.000You talked about trans, a lot of trans stuff.
00:34:43.000But one of the things that, because I wanted to ask you about this, what was it like sitting there listening to that?
00:34:50.000And one of the girls, I think her name was Molly, she started talking about her lifestyle.
00:34:57.000And you asked, you said, hey, listen, if I gave you a million dollars, you know, I think the girl, you said, if I could just wave a wand, you give you a million dollars, would you continue to do what you do?
00:38:15.000It's kind of a firing squad type thing because it's one on seven people.
00:38:18.000And I just, I left, first of all, with sadness for them and for the culture.
00:38:24.000But I also left knowing more than ever that if you don't believe in God or a spiritual war, like you, I'm telling you, there is a spiritual war raging.
00:38:56.000I thought it was amazing that here, these girls, you know, their lifestyle, they're coming after you.
00:39:03.000And you acknowledged a battle to them that you had fought as a male, that a lot of men have fought.
00:39:13.000And you talked about there was an age or a time when pornography was a big thing to you, and you were very vulnerable and very transparent.
00:39:22.000And I think it wasn't Molly that just came after you.
00:39:27.000I mean, it was, but you saw, it was almost like the demonic spirit put itself out there because here you are, honestly, being vulnerable and sharing this and talking about, and you can feel that you feel sorry for these people and she came after you.
00:39:48.000But I can also tell you just from seeing some of that, that all of us could see their daddy issues.
00:40:25.000Do you think it's the same lie as the transgender?
00:40:29.000Do you think that's that cultural demonic flow that you sense, do you think that that is the same type of lie that these young people are feeling and saying, well, I need to now be a woman or I need to.
00:40:47.000I knew this going in, but it was confirmation.
00:40:49.000And this is also what's at the root of the trans thing, which is that I, me, the most important thing in the world.
00:40:56.000And that is at the root of a lot of the justification of sexual sin and also at the root of the trans agenda, which is that I'm the most important thing.
00:41:05.000There's no one that can tell me what it can do.
00:41:59.000And they couldn't really give a definition, right?
00:42:01.000They're like, oh, love is an emotional connection.
00:42:04.000Our love is really good physical interaction.
00:42:07.000And it, again, we as Christians, we know that there's, you know, the Greeks had tons of words for love, but, you know, the one that is, you know, the one that is very popular is Phileo brotherly love, this Philadelphia city brotherly love, or a love that you have for a brother.
00:42:22.000Storge, which is mother or father for a kid love, which is completely different than brotherly love.
00:42:27.000There's also Eros, which is love you have for a romantic partner, you know, very sexual love, but also it's deeper than that.
00:42:35.000But then there's agape, which is the ultimate form of love for God so agape the world, which is self-sacrificial love that you would give your life for another.
00:42:43.000And like they've never heard this concept before.
00:42:51.000And if I had to, you know, summarize why is it that, you know, Gen Z is the most suicidal, depressed, alcohol-addicted generation history, it's because they're just living for themselves.
00:43:00.000They're not living for something above themselves.
00:43:02.000They're not living for something greater than themselves.
00:43:05.000And there is something greater than themselves.
00:43:07.000You're just a small part of this massive unfolding plan.
00:43:11.000And the trans agenda is a weaponization of the me, me, me, I, I, I believe system where it's that I, I can change my form based on an act of the will.
00:43:22.000That I wasn't designed, I wasn't made, I wasn't, I can basically start afresh and start new.
00:43:30.000And if I feel a certain way, I can kind of go through the build-a-bear workshop and I can reconfigure myself.
00:43:37.000And by the way, what hubris and pride to think that, first of all, that you can redesign yourself.
00:44:24.000We're getting very close to a place that if you count lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, which I actually think they are connected, and I could tell you why.
00:44:31.000Some people say, oh, you know, they need to be separated.
00:44:33.000I actually think there's a reason why I can get into that.
00:44:36.000I'm going to get into it because I was going to ask you what the connection is.
00:44:40.000And also, I want you to talk to, because, you know, what I'm noticing as leading a church is I get a ton of questions from parents who are, number one, they're struggling with their kids.
00:44:50.000You know, starting to say, well, you know, I think I might be a girl or I might be a guy.
00:44:56.000Or their kids have friends and they don't know what to do with them.
00:44:59.000They don't know how to handle that conversation.
00:45:02.000So talk about the connection and then get attention.
00:45:04.000So the parent thing is, I don't want to forget that, so I'm going to start there and then I'll get into the connection.
00:45:09.000So the parent thing, I encourage all of you to read, she's one of my all-stars, Dr. Miriam Grossman, Lost in Transnation.
00:45:16.000There's a specific chapter where she goes through, and by the way, she's actually a pediatrician and she is a child psychiatrist.
00:45:22.000She's not one of these goofy people on TV that just writes about the stuff abstractly.
00:45:26.000She's actually treated and is treating children, okay?
00:45:49.000They've actually never been in a clinician role.
00:45:52.000So she has, she's a leading spokesman person on it.
00:45:54.000She has an entire chapter, and I'll give you one element that I think is really important, where she goes through dialogue of child-parent, child-parent, of what happens when they say, I'm no longer Joe, I'm now Susie.
00:46:08.000And like actually how to navigate that.
00:46:10.000And one of the takeaways that was jaw-dropping for me, and everyone needs to know this, okay, is based on all of her research and all of her data, she says that the first conversation is the most important conversation.
00:46:22.000And so this is why you have to know this, and you could screw it up as a parent.
00:46:26.000And so what she says in the book is that if Joe comes to you and says, I'm Susie all of a sudden, don't freak out.
00:46:59.000You can manifest that feeling in a much more effective way.
00:47:02.000Because if you screw it up, they'll immediately turn off to you and they'll go to somebody else and they'll be on hormone blockers in six weeks.
00:47:23.000Well, you know, I was really lonely and I was flipping through TikTok and I saw all of a sudden you'll start to get to the bottom of it and you just become their thinking partner.
00:47:32.000But at the end of the conversation, you say, hey, I'm here for you, but here's what I'm not going to do.
00:47:36.000I'm not going to call you by a different name.
00:47:38.000And I'm not going to call you by different pronouns.
00:47:40.000But I am going to be your thinking partner and I love you.
00:47:42.000And let's have a conversation on this tomorrow.
00:48:08.000And by the way, you can't transition, but it's a girl butchering herself to think she's a boy, which means you're dealing with a hyper-hormonal young lady who will only dig in and find a different figure.
00:48:34.000But the book that Dr. Miriam Grossman puts forward is: you must understand that there are big lies embedded.
00:48:40.000And one of the worst things you can do is take your child to one of these gender butchering clinics that call themselves healthcare.
00:48:47.000In a matter of hours, they will do some sort of peripheral diagnosis and they will give them testosterone replacement therapy, Lupron, hormone blockers, irreversible damage to them, and even suggest mastectomies or suggest breast removal.
00:49:04.000I mean, we're talking about some of the most aggressive surgical interventions.
00:49:15.000But if that even touched one parent out there, that you might get a conversation soon, then it was worth me going through all of that, okay?
00:49:22.000So that just to repeat, the first conversation is long, is loving, and you're curious, okay?
00:49:29.000But you do not compromise today in the conversation on pronouns or names, but it's long, it's loving, it's curious.
00:49:34.000Okay, so what is the connection between lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans?
00:49:38.000Because some people say, I don't understand how all these things fit.
00:49:42.000On the surface level, that is technically true.
00:49:45.000But if you listen to the homosexual activists, they will say that being gay is my identity.
00:49:54.000It's who I am, and it can never change.
00:49:58.000The trans people say, being a boy is who I am.
00:50:02.000It's my identity, and it cannot change.
00:50:05.000The way that the homosexual activists used to talk about it in the 70s and 80s is that I have gay thoughts and feelings, and I act on them with gay behavior.
00:50:27.000And no matter what you do, it's just as it's like my skin color.
00:50:32.000And so therefore, as we've conceded the ground, as we call it, well, you are gay, instead, we should say, again, I get a lot of hate mail for saying this, but it's true.
00:50:41.000Instead, you should say, well, you're struggling with same-sex attraction.
00:51:18.000I mean, think about how insane it would be if somebody came up to the line and said, hey, you know, just so you know, I am a serial adulterer and I'm proud of it.
00:51:27.000We have the entire month of October dedicated to us.
00:52:23.000Well, because it's their identity, Penny, because they're told that you must wear it as like, you must be a mascot for your sexual choices.
00:53:09.000It is true, though, that the vast majority of people that suffer with same-sex attraction have some sort of trauma or some sort of an issue with a nuclear.
00:53:18.000That is 100% true, and that is supported by clinical data, right?
00:53:24.000Well, of course, we all must be born new, and we must also, as Christians, not be too legalistic or preachy towards people that are suffering the same-sex attraction.
00:53:32.000And I can say, hey, you're struggling with same-sex attraction.