The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Borders Are Biblical

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00:00:15.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:13.000 You know, honestly, what happened to us is we didn't know what to do as a church.

00:01:17.000 I had not dealt in the political realm.

00:01:20.000 Guys would call me from the outside that wanted, you know, during seasons where there were elections going on, and they'd be like, hey, can I come to your church?

00:01:28.000 I'm saying, sure you can.

00:01:29.000 You can sit on the front row.

00:01:29.000 I'll say hi to you, but that's it.

00:01:31.000 I didn't realize the importance of putting the right people in the right places.

00:01:35.000 And so when you started to help us as pastors and introduced me to other pastors like Rob McCoy and when they took our rights away, that's when the gloves went on.

00:01:47.000 We went after it.

00:01:48.000 We said, oh, we had no idea that you were going to come into our church.

00:01:54.000 And, you know, it's kind of like, you got the church over here.

00:01:57.000 We're doing good.

00:01:58.000 Everybody's doing great.

00:01:59.000 Things are hopping.

00:02:01.000 And then here's all the political stuff over there.

00:02:03.000 And we just pray for the political.

00:02:06.000 2020, when they tried shutting churches down, I don't know if you know, but 200 churches sued our governor and won.

00:02:16.000 And we got to open back up.

00:02:20.000 So give us a quick rundown of what's been happening in your world, in the Charlie Kirk world.

00:02:24.000 What's happening?

00:02:25.000 Boy, great honor to be here, everybody.

00:02:27.000 This is awesome.

00:02:28.000 And you're doing a great job.

00:02:30.000 And you are all being led well here at Freedom House.

00:02:33.000 And if this is not your church, this should be your church.

00:02:35.000 I'll tell you, they do a great job.

00:02:38.000 And so, you know, what's going on in our world?

00:02:40.000 Boy, I live in Arizona, so we're being invaded every single day.

00:02:44.000 And it would be hilarious if it wasn't true.

00:02:48.000 About to start our campus tour.

00:02:49.000 We have a big pastor summit coming up with our friends at Dream City Church and the Barnetts.

00:02:55.000 And yeah, just fighting for liberty every single day.

00:02:57.000 And, you know, we have a big, we have a big thing coming up in November, too, that I think we all need to stay focused on.

00:03:05.000 Let's talk about that for a minute.

00:03:07.000 Tell us about where as, you know, I would say the majority of people in this room are believers, Christians, conservative, obviously.

00:03:15.000 There may be a few stragglers in here that are looking for, you know, an angry moment.

00:03:20.000 I'm glad you're here.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:03:21.000 I'm glad.

00:03:22.000 We could change their mind.

00:03:23.000 Hope you meet Jesus.

00:03:26.000 How important is this this year?

00:03:28.000 Yeah, I mean, it's super important.

00:03:30.000 I mean, it's arguably civilizational defining what's coming up in November.

00:03:34.000 And it shouldn't have to be.

00:03:35.000 That's what's so sad is that elections should not have such heaviness and weight where we have to be thinking about it all the time.

00:03:42.000 Honestly, I mean, by the way, you have such a great lieutenant governor, by the way.

00:03:45.000 Isn't he doing such a great job?

00:03:47.000 He's doing a great job.

00:03:49.000 And I'll tell you a quick story about your lieutenant governor.

00:03:52.000 I first saw him on a viral video against gun control.

00:03:56.000 You all know the story.

00:03:58.000 I like this guy.

00:04:00.000 He's got spirit and he's got gusto and I think he's going to be a great governor of this state.

00:04:05.000 I really do.

00:04:06.000 He's just going to be terrific.

00:04:09.000 And I think even Mark would agree with me that it's not healthy to be thinking about politics all the time.

00:04:15.000 I say this as someone who benefits from it because I do a three-hour show and our views are up and our ratings are up.

00:04:21.000 In some ways, I have to kind of encourage the audience, like, guys, there's other things in life besides politics.

00:04:27.000 But the reason why that politics has become so important is that we have one political party or one political movement that wants something so against the American tradition.

00:04:38.000 And I could just go through, or just you call common sense, just honestly, what is right and wrong.

00:04:42.000 I mean, they're arguing that we shouldn't have a border.

00:04:46.000 They argue that kids can decide for themselves and as far as what gender they are, and they can go under irreversible, damaging surgery.

00:04:56.000 They are arguing for post-birth abortion.

00:04:59.000 I mean, I can go through the list, and the level of intensity only increases.

00:05:05.000 And there's only so much of this the country can take.

00:05:09.000 And especially with all the nonsense that happened back in the 2020 election, a lot of people feel as if that we had it pretty good and things were going really well.

00:05:17.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, the guy who got the most votes ever, who, by the way, if you haven't seen it today, it's pretty remarkable.

00:05:25.000 The special counsel came out.

00:05:26.000 He's like, yeah, we're not going to charge Joe Biden because he really has no idea where he is.

00:05:32.000 It's not an exaggeration, by the way.

00:05:33.000 You could look at it yourself.

00:05:35.000 Like in the documents, they're like, he kept on talking about this general who's been dead for like 20 years.

00:05:41.000 He's like, yeah, I got those documents from General XYZ.

00:05:44.000 And the special counsel was like, you do realize that guy's been dead for a while.

00:05:48.000 No, no, no.

00:05:49.000 He's like, it's completely out of control.

00:05:52.000 And so there's an anger in this country.

00:05:53.000 And I think it's a righteous anger.

00:05:55.000 We have to be careful because anger is not how God wants us to live.

00:05:58.000 We should live in joy.

00:06:00.000 And so we have to balance that.

00:06:02.000 We have to be honest with it.

00:06:03.000 But we feel as if something is being taken from us.

00:06:07.000 And almost every problem our country is facing right now is self-inflicted, which is why I think there's so much energy behind this election.

00:06:16.000 We could fix the border immediately.

00:06:18.000 We could decide to put our citizens first when it comes to appropriating resources and not funding foreign proxy wars while our own country falls apart.

00:06:26.000 We can decide to allow parents to be the ones in charge of their children's sexual education.

00:06:37.000 And I'm just touching the surface.

00:06:38.000 We could decide not to borrow $2 trillion a year.

00:06:41.000 And excuse the graphic imagery here, but it feels like a civilizational suicide.

00:06:47.000 It feels like the greatest country that ever exists in the history of the world is deciding to destroy itself.

00:06:52.000 And the positive of that is that you can stop doing it.

00:06:57.000 It's not like we're being attacked from afar.

00:06:59.000 We could just decide, actually, I don't want to mutilate myself.

00:07:02.000 I want America to be a nice place for my kids.

00:07:04.000 It's not a political statement.

00:07:05.000 Like, I want my kids to live in a nice country, right?

00:07:07.000 I want my kids to have a recognizable nation where we're not talking about stuff that doesn't matter all the time.

00:07:12.000 That's number one.

00:07:13.000 Then the other part is that we need to go a level deeper, which is what is the perverse psychology that makes something great or somebody great decide to kill oneself.

00:07:24.000 It's demonic is what it is.

00:07:26.000 And the enemy comes to lie, steal, cheat, and destroy.

00:07:29.000 Christ has come to give life and life more abundantly.

00:07:32.000 It's John 10, 10.

00:07:32.000 The whole ballgame is John 10, 10.

00:07:34.000 What the enemy stands for, what Jesus stands for. 0.76

00:07:37.000 They are a cult of death. 0.79

00:07:38.000 They stand for death when it comes to abortion. 1.00

00:07:40.000 They stand for death when it comes to the trans issue. 1.00

00:07:42.000 They stand for the death of a nation.

00:07:44.000 And what our movement needs to stand for, I don't even like calling it politics because people cringe at it.

00:07:49.000 I mean, it's honestly just a revival of the social contract that our founders put forward of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:07:56.000 And I don't say this in any sort of cliche political way, but when I see young kids, I'm like, and I have a daughter of my own.

00:08:04.000 What country am I leaving her?

00:08:06.000 It's not the country I grew up in, and I'm 30 years old.

00:08:08.000 I mean, 10 years ago, we were a happier, more joyful country.

00:08:12.000 Every possible objective metric is we are the most alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, suicidal generation and country in history.

00:08:22.000 And I think there is this yearning, and it's happening in multiple ways, where finally there'll be a consensus where we decide to stop damaging ourselves.

00:08:30.000 And that's really what's on the ballot in November.

00:08:33.000 It's bigger than Trump.

00:08:34.000 It's bigger than Biden.

00:08:35.000 And I love Trump, and I can talk about that.

00:08:37.000 I think he's great.

00:08:38.000 And we can have a discussion if you guys disagree on it.

00:08:41.000 That's fine.

00:08:41.000 I'm not even offended because I've heard it all.

00:08:43.000 But the one thing that I won't put up with, though, is if you think that things are going swimmingly, and if you think, like, yeah, you know, I think it's great that this superpower that has been the greatest experiment in self-government in the history of the planet, that's been the envy of every country ever to exist in the history of the world, that we're just going to allow ourselves to slit the throat of lady liberty and call it progress.

00:09:05.000 Like, yeah, I'm not going to put up with that, actually.

00:09:07.000 That's what's on the ballot coming in a moment.

00:09:09.000 So would you say, Charlie, would you say that this year is a tipping point, or would you say that there was a tipping point and we're down the slide and we need to, this is the change that needs to happen.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, I think of it two ways.

00:09:22.000 I think of, okay, if we do elect Trump and things get moving in the right direction, if we don't elect him, what's going to happen to our country?

00:09:31.000 Look, if we don't elect him, I go to work the next day and I'm going to keep fighting, and I hope you'll join me.

00:09:36.000 And that's number one.

00:09:38.000 So I can't stand fatalism.

00:09:40.000 It drives me nuts.

00:09:41.000 Maybe we, I will say this.

00:09:43.000 We have a lot of, we have so many blessings in this country.

00:09:46.000 We have awesome people.

00:09:47.000 We have gritty people.

00:09:48.000 We have natural resources.

00:09:50.000 We're basically bordered by two countries that don't necessarily hate us, even though we're being invaded by one.

00:09:57.000 But the point is that it was such a unique superpower that most superpowers have enemies that are just a couple hundred miles away or they don't have access to natural resources.

00:10:05.000 So the ability to recover as a nation, God has given us so many second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chances.

00:10:12.000 So I'm not going to play into fatalism.

00:10:14.000 But yeah, it certainly makes the chance of a decent country less likely.

00:10:21.000 And at the same time, I'll push back, and I don't mean this as an insult, but there are some people that are baby boomers, and they'll tell me, Charlie, America will never collapse and never fail because we've been through worse before. 0.95

00:10:35.000 And I don't know where this insane line of thinking came from, but anything can collapse and fall.

00:10:40.000 And that kind of pride, by the way, is asking for God to topple you as the greatest nation, okay?

00:10:46.000 In fact, maybe we should have some humility and be like, wow, we might never have a great country again.

00:10:51.000 And only by the grace and glory of God can we have this country get back to a place of righteousness.

00:10:57.000 And so it's hard for me to assess, Troy, because my attitude is always, what do I do?

00:11:03.000 And I'm a fighter, and I'm in the arena, and I try to organize.

00:11:06.000 I try to tell the truth.

00:11:07.000 And my goal is to try to get all of you to act in the same way and to try to fight in your own arena and build a platform.

00:11:15.000 But yeah, you can only sustain 8 million foreigners coming into your country every four years.

00:11:22.000 You can't live through that for much longer, right?

00:11:25.000 The dollar's on the brink of collapse.

00:11:29.000 We have like a lost generation that came out of COVID.

00:11:32.000 And then I think another pent-up piece of frustration, I came here while COVID was still raging, right?

00:11:36.000 We had a super spreader together.

00:11:39.000 It's granny killers. 1.00

00:11:40.000 Granny killers. 1.00

00:11:43.000 Honestly, like, where are the tribunals for the people that locked down our country? 1.00

00:11:49.000 I don't say that lightly.

00:11:53.000 You know what the true insurrection was?

00:11:55.000 The insurrection was the lockdowns.

00:11:57.000 Not a bunch of people, no, I mean, not a bunch of people with American flags taking selfies in the Capitol Rotunda, you know, live-action role-playing as like a militia man.

00:12:07.000 Like, ooh, I'm really tough.

00:12:08.000 You're not taking over anything, okay?

00:12:10.000 You're not fooling anyone.

00:12:11.000 And there were some really decent people there that didn't do anything wrong.

00:12:13.000 They stepped in the Capitol and their lives are ruined.

00:12:15.000 And we have to be like nauseatingly propagandized by the government.

00:12:19.000 Oh, you know, that was an insurrection.

00:12:21.000 9-11.

00:12:22.000 You know what was worse than 9-11?

00:12:24.000 The fact that there's hundreds of thousands of people that unnecessarily died alone in hospitals when treatments could have been given to them, like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and intravenous therapy.

00:12:35.000 Like, that's worse than 9-11.

00:12:40.000 And if you say different, we'll shut you down.

00:12:43.000 And destroy your work. 0.85

00:12:43.000 We'll destroy your business. 0.85

00:12:45.000 We'll destroy your life.

00:12:46.000 And again, I don't want to come across as too bitter because I could do this forever, but I do think I am reflecting and mirroring the attitude of the every American because you see injustice after injustice and no justice rendered.

00:13:01.000 Like Fauci is not going to jail.

00:13:03.000 He's not being held trial.

00:13:04.000 Fauci is like a professor somewhere.

00:13:06.000 And meanwhile, you see really decent people that might have got caught up in the wind of, like, for example, a guy by the name of Siaka Masakwa, who's become a friend.

00:13:14.000 He's a believer.

00:13:15.000 He's amazing.

00:13:16.000 Former Hollywood actor.

00:13:17.000 He was there on January 6th.

00:13:18.000 He took two steps into the Capitol, walked out.

00:13:21.000 He's been hunted by the feds for two years.

00:13:22.000 He's now been indicted on criminal trespassing.

00:13:25.000 He's had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees.

00:13:27.000 By the way, a lot of these defendants kill themselves.

00:13:29.000 It's just, it's a terrible thing.

00:13:31.000 And like, that's the focus of our federal government, as if that's the threat to our country.

00:13:36.000 Okay, we're being invaded on the southern border, and you have this amazing patriot who loves the nation, who takes a couple steps into the people's house and comes out and now has to stand federal trial and was arrested at Burbank Airport with his pregnant wife like hyperventilating next to him.

00:13:50.000 Like, I'm sorry, whatever regime that is is an evil regime that does that.

00:13:56.000 And the videotapes proving him innocent have disappeared.

00:14:00.000 They've been destroyed.

00:14:03.000 And the whole lies that are being fabricated.

00:14:06.000 And that's one of the things that we really are trying to tell the church on, understand, when you are standing up for what's right, the news media is going to come after you.

00:14:17.000 They are going to make up stories.

00:14:19.000 They are going, I mean, we're all racist, misogynists.

00:14:23.000 Never lied about it. 0.99

00:14:23.000 Bigot, homophobes. 0.99

00:14:25.000 I've never been attacked by the media.

00:14:28.000 Sterling record.

00:14:29.000 Yeah, if you Google me, it's just, it's terrific.

00:14:33.000 No, but look, honestly, who cares what the media says?

00:14:35.000 They're losing power.

00:14:37.000 And you guys have the power now.

00:14:39.000 You don't need them anymore.

00:14:41.000 Their numbers are going down.

00:14:43.000 We have podcasting.

00:14:44.000 We have a liberated social media platform of X.

00:14:46.000 We have Rumble.

00:14:48.000 We have, I mean, Tucker Carlson's going to Russia.

00:14:50.000 Like, the game has changed, everybody.

00:14:52.000 Okay.

00:14:53.000 We're going to talk about that.

00:14:54.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:14:55.000 I think it's one of the coolest things ever.

00:14:57.000 Not because I love Putin.

00:14:59.000 Actually, I don't like Putin.

00:15:00.000 I mean, I caught the first half of the interview and Putin meanders for 30 minutes about abstract Russian history as if the American audience that Tucker is representing really cares about.

00:15:12.000 Literally, he's like, and then in 949, Nicholas the Czar.

00:15:17.000 And I kid you not, when you watch the interview tonight, it's like, really?

00:15:20.000 And he goes on for like, and Tucker almost loses patience.

00:15:23.000 He's like, I'm not sure why this is relevant.

00:15:25.000 And Putin responds, like, oh no, I'm getting there.

00:15:27.000 And then in 1311, we recent.

00:15:31.000 And in some ways, it was actually really interesting because, again, he gets painted as this madman, megalomaniac, Putin, or whatever.

00:15:39.000 Again, I don't like him.

00:15:40.000 He doesn't believe in a free society.

00:15:42.000 I want a free society.

00:15:43.000 You want a free society.

00:15:44.000 He believes in something completely different.

00:15:46.000 But also, I didn't walk away thinking that we should go to war against this guy, right?

00:15:49.000 I didn't walk away thinking that that's the greatest threat to the homeland, right?

00:15:53.000 I look at him basically as this guy who's overseeing a declining population of an antiquated governing model, who's like really interested in reclaiming something that a document from 500 years ago says that he has.

00:16:04.000 Okay, have at it.

00:16:05.000 I mean, I don't like that you invaded Ukraine, but we're also being invaded.

00:16:08.000 Like, let's stop sending $250 billion over there while our country's getting overrun, right?

00:16:14.000 And by the way, let me just say that.

00:16:17.000 It is a moral crime that the American government did because what we did is we gave false hope to the poor people of Ukraine.

00:16:23.000 And we said, we're going to give you weapons and all this stuff.

00:16:25.000 We're going to be there to the bitter end.

00:16:26.000 We never meant that.

00:16:27.000 We use them as human shields for our own Western pride.

00:16:30.000 There is now more and more credible reports that Tony Blinken went via Boris Johnson and obliterated a peace deal that could have ended this war before it really started.

00:16:40.000 Hundreds of thousands of people died.

00:16:41.000 And so, yeah, I mean, I think it's great that Putin goes, I mean, that Tucker went and interviewed Putin.

00:16:47.000 And I think that we should also, I think we have a moral right in the West to see who our government is trying to start a nuclear war with. 0.50

00:16:56.000 I think that, and you should be your own judge, again, I didn't walk away fearing him.

00:17:00.000 He just kind of seems like, how do I say this?

00:17:03.000 Like the guy that can't stop talking about the old war stories from the 1960s and 70s.

00:17:09.000 And I don't mean that in a negative way.

00:17:11.000 He's so attached to a memory of the Soviet Union.

00:17:16.000 I'm supposed to think that this guy's going to take over the world.

00:17:19.000 It's like he goes 45 minutes talking about history in 990.

00:17:23.000 You guys can see the interview for yourself.

00:17:25.000 But I think it's good.

00:17:25.000 I think it's positive.

00:17:26.000 I think that the entire American government foreign policy posture towards Russia has been wrong.

00:17:31.000 I think Donald Trump had it right.

00:17:33.000 Donald Trump didn't want to be friends with him.

00:17:34.000 He didn't want to be enemies.

00:17:36.000 He just didn't want to be overly into a quagmire with the number one oil-producing country on the planet that has nuclear weapons that could be used as a hedge against China.

00:17:46.000 And because of that, Putin didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was president.

00:17:50.000 But one of the reasons why the Western media is now talking about arresting Tucker Carlson when he comes back to America for even conducting the interview is, and this is kind of a lesson that I can take away.

00:18:00.000 Because they couldn't get the interview.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, no, that's true.

00:18:05.000 I think it's even deeper than that, though.

00:18:08.000 I think that when you talk, you all of a sudden de-radicalize a population.

00:18:13.000 I can say this from being on college campuses, that when I have long conversations with these bitter activists, they tend to not be as fired up afterwards.

00:18:21.000 And I mean, with some rare exceptions.

00:18:23.000 And I think that the media would be super worried that all of a sudden the lies they've been telling us about Russia might actually come to an end.

00:18:30.000 And the American people might kind of shrug their shoulders, be like, okay, don't love the guy, but why is this the number one threat that I have to watch every single day?

00:18:38.000 And that is an existential threat to the US.

00:18:41.000 I think that's a good point.

00:18:42.000 I watch those movies all the time where they say, don't go outside.

00:18:45.000 You're not allowed to go outside.

00:18:46.000 And so they keep everybody inside, but there's really nothing going on outside.

00:18:50.000 And so they just keep them locked in this place and scared to even think about it.

00:18:54.000 And Tucker just opened the can and said, hey, listen, we don't have to be scared of this.

00:18:56.000 This is okay.

00:18:57.000 I haven't watched the interview yet, but I can't wait to watch it.

00:19:00.000 Talk about the borders a little bit, because I think a lot of people think that it's just one group of people that's coming over.

00:19:05.000 And I was having this conversation with Pastor Steve, because he's in New Mexico, and Luke, who's in Arizona.

00:19:12.000 Because I don't think people really realize that the majority of people that are coming over are not families.

00:19:17.000 They're not moms and kids.

00:19:19.000 They're 18 to 24, 18 to 25 year old, and they're not Mexican.

00:19:24.000 And that's important for us to understand.

00:19:26.000 And our role as Christians, as the church, and our role as real Americans in understanding this.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, this is a super important point.

00:19:35.000 I mean, we live in a border state.

00:19:37.000 I do in Arizona.

00:19:38.000 Basically, every state is a border state now.

00:19:40.000 Every single state is being impacted.

00:19:41.000 What's happening on the southern border?

00:19:43.000 And these are fighting-age males that are coming across the southern border.

00:19:47.000 A small percentage that we see are families and all that.

00:19:51.000 And even they are still trespassing and invading into our country. 0.63

00:19:54.000 But when all of a sudden you have people that are speaking fluent Arabic and they look into the camera and they say, hey, everyone's going to know who I am very soon, using language that the 9-11 hijackers and bombers used.

00:20:06.000 And it just begs the question, are these people, are we being invaded where there's going to be sleeper cells in the interior of the United States?

00:20:13.000 And I don't have to speculate too much.

00:20:15.000 Just look what's happening in New York recently.

00:20:17.000 I mean, if you haven't seen the story, I encourage you to look at it.

00:20:20.000 Especially if you're a liberal watching this, I think it actually might change your mind.

00:20:25.000 You have these groups of thugs that come in and they beat up these police officers and they're let out with no bail.

00:20:31.000 And while they're let out, they're giving the middle finger to the camera as if I hate you.

00:20:38.000 And I just, it is so grotesque, and they're pushing America to a breaking and a boiling point.

00:20:45.000 There's only so much of this that we can take.

00:20:47.000 But I want to make sure we emphasize, I don't think the church talks about the border enough.

00:20:52.000 You know, there's a lot of virtue signaling that goes on at times where people say, you know, America's a bad country because we once had slavery.

00:20:58.000 Slavery is evil and awful.

00:20:59.000 By the way, there's more slaves right now in North America than there ever were back during the slave trade.

00:21:04.000 You might say, well, what do you mean?

00:21:06.000 Who do you think is coming across the border?

00:21:08.000 These kids are purchased.

00:21:10.000 They know exactly.

00:21:11.000 And by the way, these are not random movements.

00:21:14.000 Almost 90% of people coming across the border are tracked.

00:21:17.000 They have a number.

00:21:18.000 The cartel will track, put them, follow them on the interior of the United States. 0.98

00:21:21.000 If it's a young lady, they're almost assuredly being raped and they're going to the sex trade, right? 1.00

00:21:25.000 Into prostitution in the interior of the United States, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas. 1.00

00:21:30.000 And this is slavery. 0.54

00:21:31.000 They are being purchased.

00:21:32.000 Their flesh is being purchased for use.

00:21:35.000 And some just come and they become laborers and they send money back and they have remittances.

00:21:39.000 And there's very little concern from the American government at all.

00:21:43.000 And if you don't believe me, go down to the southern border and see it for yourself.

00:21:47.000 I will show you in the Hollis.

00:21:48.000 I'll show you in Yuma.

00:21:49.000 I'll show you in Eagle Pass.

00:21:51.000 In Yuma in particular, they have the river right there, Rio Grande River, and you can see the big Humvees and the cartel guys have the binoculars and they'll just kind of look exactly where to go.

00:22:02.000 And this is what's amazing.

00:22:03.000 When they tell people to cross the border, they're not telling them to evade border patrol.

00:22:08.000 They're telling them to go into the hands of border patrol.

00:22:10.000 They want to get caught.

00:22:12.000 Then there's the gotaways.

00:22:12.000 Well, most of them.

00:22:14.000 Then there's the 400,000 to 500,000 people that scurry across with backpacks.

00:22:17.000 We have no idea who these people are, right?

00:22:19.000 We don't know what's in their backpack.

00:22:21.000 Weapons, guns, bombs, drugs.

00:22:24.000 By the way, we have 115,000 fentanyl overdoses, drug overdoses, and nearly 60,000 fentanyl overdoses a year.

00:22:32.000 And I think what drives all of us nuts is that to kind of connect the Ukraine and the Russian thing with this, is that even if you're totally on Team Ukraine, I just find it morally repulsive that our leaders have appropriated now $275 billion.

00:22:46.000 They just approved another $95 billion, by the way, for a foreign conflict 5,000 miles away that does not have immediate bearing on our national security.

00:22:55.000 And they can't even get their act together to close the southern border.

00:22:59.000 And it is treason.

00:23:00.000 It is an invasion.

00:23:01.000 It impacts all of us.

00:23:02.000 It's never happened before in the history of our country.

00:23:05.000 And I just want to reiterate, it's intentional, meaning that this is the same way that we used to talk.

00:23:11.000 We tell our kids, look at these pictures of these slave boats.

00:23:14.000 We should teach the history of slavery. 0.84

00:23:15.000 It's awful.

00:23:16.000 Is that we have the new slave boats right now.

00:23:20.000 And if you aren't consciously aware of it, then I encourage you to get sped up.

00:23:25.000 And especially if you're leading a church, you need to educate your congregation on how we are turning a blind eye to the new North American slave trade, which is even bigger, more profitable, more institutionalized than what happened back in the slave.

00:23:39.000 We have weaponized empathy.

00:23:41.000 We have weaponized empathy saying that if we don't open the borders, we're misinterpreting and misusing scripture.

00:23:48.000 If we don't open the borders, then what we're not being hospitable to strangers.

00:23:52.000 And talk about how that is being...

00:23:57.000 Sure.

00:23:57.000 Twist it.

00:23:58.000 That's such a good point, Penny.

00:23:59.000 So there are, so we should love all people, always.

00:24:03.000 And the idea, though, that your public policy must be unlimited amounts of people coming into your country is not only not biblically supported, the Bible tells you the exact opposite.

00:24:14.000 So the idea of borders is biblical, okay?

00:24:16.000 The idea of nations is biblical.

00:24:18.000 And it's in the first 11 books of Genesis.

00:24:20.000 In Genesis 11, God rejected this idea of a one-world government in the city of Babel, and he created the idea of separate nations and decentralized power and sovereignty.

00:24:30.000 The idea of sovereignty and not having one person, one group, one cartel, one organization control the planet, that only God controls the entire world is biblical.

00:24:40.000 You see that with the story of Nimrod in the city of Babel.

00:24:42.000 But even going beyond that, the entire book of Nehemiah is literally building the wall to protect the city, is to fortify your defenses from invasion.

00:24:51.000 Now, there's also this amazing verse that gets glossed over in the book of Deuteronomy, which is one of my favorite books of the Bible.

00:24:57.000 It's Moses' farewell address, and he was letting it rip, right?

00:25:00.000 He knew he wasn't getting into the promised land, and he's like, I got a lot of problems with you people, and you're going to hear it.

00:25:05.000 It was like, it was the first festivist.

00:25:07.000 Just rolling on what it was.

00:25:08.000 If you know a festivist, you know what I mean.

00:25:10.000 No, and basically he was like, I'm going to just, I'm going to let it rip.

00:25:13.000 You guys complain too much.

00:25:14.000 You guys are never on time.

00:25:16.000 You guys get lost.

00:25:17.000 And he's like, at one point, he's like, I don't even know why God told me to lead you.

00:25:21.000 I mean, it was really, it was savage, right?

00:25:25.000 But at one point, I think it's like Deuteronomy 26 or something.

00:25:28.000 And I have actually the verse on my phone I could look at it because I don't want to misspeak.

00:25:32.000 But the essence is that be careful who you let into your country, because foreigners will soon become masters of your country. 1.00

00:25:37.000 And if you don't control the influx of who comes into your nation, you'll no longer have a nation. 1.00

00:25:41.000 I could read the exact scripture in a second.

00:25:43.000 And that's almost never talked about, right?

00:25:45.000 But then there's also some of these embedded lies.

00:25:47.000 So the other one that I see all the time is that Jesus was a refugee.

00:25:50.000 This one personally drives me nuts.

00:25:52.000 First of all, he was the king of the world, okay?

00:25:54.000 So let's just get that out of the way.

00:25:55.000 He is the king of the world.

00:25:56.000 He's the savior of all things.

00:25:58.000 So it's just this.

00:25:59.000 Secondly, if you want to be hyper-technical, no, he wasn't, okay?

00:26:04.000 He went from one part of the Holy Roman Empire to the other part of the Holy Roman Empire.

00:26:08.000 Therefore, not a refugee, same country. 0.72

00:26:10.000 So he went to Egypt, which is technically under the control of the Holy Roman Empire.

00:26:14.000 And same customs, same currency, same laws.

00:26:16.000 A refugee is technically someone who leaves one country because they are fleeing persecution.

00:26:20.000 Yes, he was fleeing persecution, but he found asylum within the same country, the same sort of code of conduct.

00:26:25.000 So it just drives me nuts.

00:26:26.000 It's like, it's not even true, even if you were looking at it.

00:26:29.000 So I hear this with the people.

00:26:31.000 Jesus was a refugee and he wouldn't want borders.

00:26:33.000 Okay, it's just so nonsensical.

00:26:36.000 And I never even heard that before.

00:26:37.000 That's the first time I've ever heard of it.

00:26:38.000 Who's heard that Jesus was a refugee?

00:26:40.000 Raise your hand.

00:26:40.000 The younger people, yeah, all the time.

00:26:42.000 And again, this is how they went.

00:26:44.000 That's because you don't hang around liberals.

00:26:45.000 All right, yeah, that's right.

00:26:47.000 That's why you're so happy, Troy.

00:26:50.000 Exactly right.

00:26:50.000 So I want to read this scripture because it's so amazing.

00:26:54.000 Do you think our founding fathers used that Deuteronomy scripture when they were setting the country up?

00:26:59.000 Yeah, so that's all.

00:26:59.000 Yeah, Deuteronomy 28.

00:27:00.000 I'll read it in a sec.

00:27:01.000 So it's a great point.

00:27:02.000 So out of all the books, both secular and religious, that were quoted the most in the founding of the country, Deuteronomy was by far quoted the most.

00:27:10.000 Because Deuteronomy talks about separation of powers, consent to the governor, independent judiciary.

00:27:15.000 The form of our government is directly inspired from Deuteronomy.

00:27:18.000 And it makes sense because Moses is basically telling, like, hey, Joshua, like, this is how you set up the government.

00:27:23.000 You're about to get into the land of milk and honey.

00:27:25.000 You're about to enter Canaan. 0.64

00:27:26.000 This is how I recommend you set things up.

00:27:29.000 And again, it wasn't Moses talking.

00:27:30.000 It was God talking through Moses, but it was his farewell address.

00:27:33.000 And so here's the verse.

00:27:34.000 It's pretty remarkable.

00:27:35.000 Foreigners who live in your land will gain more and more power while you gradually lose yours. 1.00

00:27:40.000 They'll have money to lend you, but you'll have none to lend them.

00:27:42.000 In the end, they will be your rulers.

00:27:44.000 Deuteronomy 28, 43.

00:27:46.000 And so that's not always a quoted verse when it comes to this.

00:27:50.000 And so the argument then they'll make, Penny, is they'll say, but don't you love these people?

00:27:55.000 Yes, I do love the nearly 300,000 young girls that are currently being sex slaves in America that we are like told to care about.

00:28:03.000 Well, you know how you care about them? 0.52

00:28:04.000 You seal the border and you don't allow the cartel to traffic them into the interior of the United States.

00:28:10.000 That's how you love those people.

00:28:11.000 That's right.

00:28:12.000 And borders are also a sign of humility.

00:28:15.000 It's also a sign that we're not trying to take over the entire world.

00:28:19.000 They're trying to create oneness of the planet, one currency, one language.

00:28:23.000 They're trying to reconstitute the Tower of Babel. 0.96

00:28:26.000 And the idea of a border is a direct threat to that.

00:28:29.000 The World Economic Forum wants a one-world government.

00:28:31.000 They want a globalist type experiment. 0.99

00:28:33.000 And so, and Christians are suckers for this. 1.00

00:28:36.000 I got to be honest. 0.99

00:28:36.000 I mean, not everyone here, but like a lot of churches, they're okay on the abortion thing. 0.99

00:28:41.000 Maybe they're like totally silent on the LGBT thing, which we could talk about.

00:28:45.000 But on the immigration thing, it's just they are, I find it's one of the most scripturally and theologically flimsy issues where they're like, well, I really don't know how to deal with this. 1.00

00:28:59.000 It's like the Bible is so clear.

00:29:01.000 And every time immigration is mentioned in the Bible, it counts with assimilation and does it benefit the homeland?

00:29:07.000 Assimilation and does it benefit the homeland?

00:29:09.000 And yes, empathy is weaponized, which by the way, empathy is not even a biblical word.

00:29:14.000 It's a 1920s New Age term, right?

00:29:16.000 Compassion is, and pathos is what it comes.

00:29:18.000 It's a Greek term it comes from.

00:29:20.000 That's super wonky and abstract, but it's important because we should have sympathy, which means to go alongside of compassion, which means to yearn for or to care for.

00:29:29.000 And to be truly compassionate and caring and loving is to support the constitution of borders.

00:29:34.000 And to say that a nation state has a moral right to exist.

00:29:40.000 And the final point I'll say on this, which I think is just incredibly important, is that it's about destabilization.

00:29:46.000 And you're seeing that everywhere.

00:29:48.000 And remember, God is a God of order.

00:29:51.000 And we forget about this.

00:29:53.000 And again, God is a God of love and God is a God of order.

00:29:57.000 Both those things are simultaneously true. 0.96

00:30:00.000 And if you do not have order, well, then you have chaos.

00:30:04.000 And Satan is an agent of chaos.

00:30:06.000 And how do you get such chaos?

00:30:08.000 You change the language.

00:30:09.000 Did God really say that?

00:30:11.000 Is that really what the authority is?

00:30:12.000 Who's to say what God is?

00:30:14.000 Who are you letting into your country? 1.00

00:30:15.000 All these things are, they're almost ideological toxins that get introduced towards destabilization.

00:30:22.000 God's hope for humanity is not chaos.

00:30:25.000 It's not war.

00:30:26.000 It's not strife.

00:30:27.000 It's shalom.

00:30:28.000 That's why it says in Jeremiah 29, 7, that we must demand the welfare or the shalom of the nation that we are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare. 0.81

00:30:37.000 I think that's what's so key, though, is they change the dialogue because whoever controls the language controls the argument.

00:30:46.000 And so it's not an unviable tissue mess.

00:30:52.000 It is a baby that you've aborted.

00:30:54.000 It's not a undocumented worker.

00:30:59.000 No, this is an illegal...

00:31:01.000 What they are doing is illegal.

00:31:03.000 They came into this country illegally. 1.00

00:31:05.000 And we can change whatever we want to make it slick, to make us want to swallow it.

00:31:09.000 That's why it's not the strip club.

00:31:12.000 It's the gentleman's club.

00:31:14.000 When you market it and you flip it and you twist it and you turn it any which way you can to make it palatable and digestible, then that's how they're doing this, is they're using words against us.

00:31:28.000 And sometimes we're not smart enough.

00:31:31.000 Like, why would you want to hurt grandmas?

00:31:34.000 Why would you not love your neighbor?

00:31:37.000 You must get the vaccine.

00:31:39.000 If you don't do this, you're not loving your neighbor.

00:31:42.000 Do you know how many Christians were duped?

00:31:46.000 Because they were like, oh, well, I'm a Christian.

00:31:48.000 I don't want to be unkind.

00:31:49.000 Do you know how many Christians stay out of the fight? 0.97

00:31:52.000 And how many pastors got behind the whole idea of getting vaccinated?

00:31:55.000 Yeah, Black Lives Matter.

00:31:56.000 They had no idea what was really going on.

00:31:59.000 Yeah, and on the vaccine thing, I had strong opinions the entire time, and I know some of you probably got vaccinated.

00:32:06.000 I do want to say, those of you that did get vaccinated, you were lied to, and you deserve better and justice because there are so many people that have ongoing health issues because of this thing.

00:32:18.000 And I don't like when people ridicule the vaccinated.

00:32:21.000 I feel sympathy because you were tortured.

00:32:25.000 You were gaslit.

00:32:26.000 You were lied to by medical professionals that should know better.

00:32:29.000 This is an mRNA gene-altering technology.

00:32:32.000 It is not a traditional vaccine.

00:32:34.000 And now we are seeing spikes in turbo cancers, pericarditis, myocarditis.

00:32:38.000 And if you ask any physician worth their salt, and you say, are you seeing things you've never seen before in your career?

00:32:45.000 They will all say yes, Like weird symptoms that all of a sudden are popping up in otherwise very, very healthy people.

00:32:53.000 And I think that there needs to be people that need, I think companies need to be bankrupted.

00:32:57.000 I think people need to go to jail.

00:32:59.000 There needs to be a truth and reconciliation committee for what happened regarding pushing on the vaccine.

00:33:06.000 100%.

00:33:07.000 You know, Penny was talking about the language stuff, and I listened to your podcast on whatever.

00:33:13.000 I didn't watch it.

00:33:13.000 I listened to it.

00:33:15.000 And you did such an amazing job.

00:33:17.000 And I would, you know, you said it back.

00:33:19.000 Hey, I wouldn't encourage you to tell the pastor.

00:33:21.000 I wouldn't encourage you to watch it, but I'd encourage you to listen to it.

00:33:24.000 Oh, this is the naughty one that just went on.

00:33:25.000 This was the naughty one that was on.

00:33:26.000 Do y'all know?

00:33:27.000 Did y'all see the naughty one?

00:33:28.000 Raise your hand if you know what I'm talking about.

00:33:30.000 Raise it.

00:33:32.000 It was a podcast called Whatever.

00:33:34.000 And I think there were like nine girls on there or seven girls and Charlie.

00:33:40.000 What kind of girls?

00:33:41.000 And most of them were OnlyFan girls.

00:33:43.000 Ladies of the night. 1.00

00:33:44.000 Pornographic. 1.00

00:33:45.000 I think two of them were famous pornography women.

00:33:50.000 And I'm just, you know, I texted you and I said, Charlie, you did amazing.

00:33:56.000 And, you know, the love of Christ.

00:33:58.000 And I have a question here that I want to ask you because you're a dad now.

00:34:02.000 And what was it like?

00:34:04.000 Paint a picture of some of these people don't know.

00:34:07.000 So you didn't, you know, and I'd encourage you to listen to it. 1.00

00:34:09.000 Don't watch it because the girls are on there are scantily dressed. 1.00

00:34:15.000 Whatever a hoochumama is, they were on there. 1.00

00:34:17.000 Y'all know what a hoochua is.

00:34:18.000 And you know, they threw, they were lobbying questions at him.

00:34:22.000 You know, it was awkward.

00:34:23.000 You know, you could tell that there was a lot of tension in there.

00:34:26.000 Charlie, you know, expressed the faith in Jesus Christ in an amazing way, especially when you were getting ready to leave and you talked about it because they were, you know, you talked about abortion.

00:34:38.000 You talked about trans, a lot of trans stuff.

00:34:43.000 But one of the things that, because I wanted to ask you about this, what was it like sitting there listening to that?

00:34:50.000 And one of the girls, I think her name was Molly, she started talking about her lifestyle.

00:34:57.000 And you asked, you said, hey, listen, if I gave you a million dollars, you know, I think the girl, you said, if I could just wave a wand, you give you a million dollars, would you continue to do what you do?

00:35:07.000 And she said, yes.

00:35:09.000 And then you talked about her father issues, her daddy issues.

00:35:13.000 And she said, I haven't talked to my dad in two or three years.

00:35:17.000 And I was sitting there and I started to break down because I have two daughters.

00:35:22.000 And I just thought, oh my gosh, this is the way our culture is moving.

00:35:28.000 And I'm thinking as a pastor with them, these women, the way that they think, the way that these girls think.

00:35:34.000 And I'm just curious, as you were sitting there listening to this, what was going through your head?

00:35:40.000 And then I want to talk about the trans issue a little bit.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, so for those of you that don't know, this is a very, very popular podcast with younger people, especially the clips of it.

00:35:49.000 It's an unusual format.

00:35:51.000 It's typically six or seven young ladies that are in the most active sexual enterprises online that you could be involved in. 1.00

00:35:58.000 You said that's so tasteful.

00:35:59.000 That was lovely.

00:36:00.000 Thank you.

00:36:02.000 What they do is not tasteful.

00:36:04.000 But again, so I have no idea who is who.

00:36:08.000 And there's a funny story that I've told before, and I'll tell again.

00:36:12.000 So I knew going into this interview that two of the people were porn people.

00:36:18.000 And they're actively involved, like not just involved, they're like award-winning.

00:36:22.000 Did they just call you?

00:36:23.000 Like, how did this...

00:36:24.000 Well, the show producer is pretty neutral, and he reached out.

00:36:29.000 And Candace.

00:36:30.000 Oh, he seems conservative, the guy that was on the right.

00:36:32.000 He's pretty decent, and he was really a fair broker.

00:36:35.000 And so, because it's just the whole thing is, you know.

00:36:40.000 So, anyway, I show up, and I know two of them are porn actresses, but I don't know who.

00:36:47.000 And so, I have to kind of play in my head, guess the porno person.

00:36:54.000 And anyway, long story short, I was totally wrong.

00:36:58.000 Because the young lady next to me, Molly, who is by the outside a very innocent-looking girl, is like the most involved in pornography.

00:37:08.000 And I mean, I had no idea. 1.00

00:37:10.000 And I was like blown away because she was like the most brazen and kind of honestly nasty. 1.00

00:37:15.000 She was pushing. 1.00

00:37:16.000 She kept pushing. 1.00

00:37:16.000 Yeah, trying to provoke and pornography. 1.00

00:37:18.000 But you could tell when you were talking to her, when she would push you, you could tell that there was something innocent still in her.

00:37:23.000 I could see it.

00:37:23.000 Yeah, I mean, look.

00:37:25.000 And so, what did I feel, Troy?

00:37:26.000 I felt sadness.

00:37:27.000 I mean, out of all the, I think only one or two of the young ladies there actively did not have an OnlyFans account.

00:37:33.000 If you don't know what OnlyFans is, it's this disturbing trend.

00:37:37.000 You should all be very aware of this, by the way.

00:37:39.000 It's young ladies in college are just opening OnlyFans accounts. 1.00

00:37:42.000 Basically, it's a subscription-based model where you can sell naked pictures of yourself or revealing pictures of yourself. 1.00

00:37:49.000 And girls are making a ton of money doing it. 1.00

00:37:51.000 I mean, they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. 1.00

00:37:53.000 Some are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. 1.00

00:37:56.000 There are, I don't know the amount of girls that are doing this, but I think it's in 250,000, 300,000. 1.00

00:38:02.000 It's a ton. 1.00

00:38:03.000 And I do believe it is like digital prostitution, is what it is.

00:38:07.000 And it's demeaning to the individual, and it's just sad and it's just heavy.

00:38:12.000 Anyway, the point is this is a very popular podcast.

00:38:14.000 I go there.

00:38:15.000 It's kind of a firing squad type thing because it's one on seven people.

00:38:18.000 And I just, I left, first of all, with sadness for them and for the culture.

00:38:24.000 But I also left knowing more than ever that if you don't believe in God or a spiritual war, like you, I'm telling you, there is a spiritual war raging.

00:38:35.000 I mean, it's so clear.

00:38:37.000 It's so real.

00:38:38.000 Like, I felt it, like the heaviness that that lifestyle brings with it so many other literal demons, I think.

00:38:48.000 And yeah, so if you want to watch or listen to it, I mean, it's gone very, very viral.

00:38:52.000 It's one of the most watched interviews.

00:38:54.000 I thought was amazing. 1.00

00:38:56.000 I thought it was amazing that here, these girls, you know, their lifestyle, they're coming after you.

00:39:03.000 And you acknowledged a battle to them that you had fought as a male, that a lot of men have fought.

00:39:13.000 And you talked about there was an age or a time when pornography was a big thing to you, and you were very vulnerable and very transparent.

00:39:22.000 And I think it wasn't Molly that just came after you.

00:39:27.000 I mean, it was, but you saw, it was almost like the demonic spirit put itself out there because here you are, honestly, being vulnerable and sharing this and talking about, and you can feel that you feel sorry for these people and she came after you.

00:39:48.000 But I can also tell you just from seeing some of that, that all of us could see their daddy issues.

00:39:58.000 Every single girl.

00:40:01.000 And what was sad for us is, you know, we've got three kids.

00:40:05.000 Two of them are girls.

00:40:07.000 And, you know, two of our children are married, but we still look at their Instagram accounts.

00:40:12.000 And he's like, hey, you need to go change your shirt.

00:40:17.000 And I know you're married, but you're still my daughter. 0.99

00:40:21.000 Go change your shirt before you leave the house.

00:40:23.000 And it's like, dad.

00:40:25.000 Do you think it's the same lie as the transgender? 0.99

00:40:29.000 Do you think that's that cultural demonic flow that you sense, do you think that that is the same type of lie that these young people are feeling and saying, well, I need to now be a woman or I need to.

00:40:43.000 So that's a good question.

00:40:45.000 So I also walked away.

00:40:47.000 I knew this going in, but it was confirmation.

00:40:49.000 And this is also what's at the root of the trans thing, which is that I, me, the most important thing in the world.

00:40:56.000 And that is at the root of a lot of the justification of sexual sin and also at the root of the trans agenda, which is that I'm the most important thing. 0.58

00:41:05.000 There's no one that can tell me what it can do.

00:41:06.000 There's no objective truth.

00:41:08.000 There's no transcendent beauty.

00:41:09.000 There's no duty.

00:41:10.000 There's no virtue.

00:41:11.000 There's no obligation, right?

00:41:13.000 It's just me.

00:41:14.000 And who are you to tell me that I can't do what I want to do when I want to do it?

00:41:19.000 And that is such an attractive one-liner for a young person because it feels right.

00:41:26.000 Yes, I am in charge of it.

00:41:27.000 And that is at its core Luciferian.

00:41:30.000 Yes.

00:41:31.000 At its core, demonic. 0.93

00:41:32.000 It is from the pit of hell.

00:41:34.000 First and foremost, we're made in the image of God, breathed lifed in from the divine.

00:41:38.000 So our life is on loan from the divine.

00:41:41.000 And so it's not all about you.

00:41:42.000 It's that we have an obligation to something much bigger than us.

00:41:45.000 And secondly, that how on earth are you ever going to understand love?

00:41:49.000 And I did talk about love on the podcast, which was one of my favorite aspects that I would encourage you to watch this part.

00:41:55.000 I asked them, what is love?

00:41:56.000 I know that's funny.

00:41:57.000 There's a song that says that.

00:41:58.000 But I said, what is love?

00:41:59.000 And they couldn't really give a definition, right?

00:42:01.000 They're like, oh, love is an emotional connection.

00:42:04.000 Our love is really good physical interaction.

00:42:07.000 And it, again, we as Christians, we know that there's, you know, the Greeks had tons of words for love, but, you know, the one that is, you know, the one that is very popular is Phileo brotherly love, this Philadelphia city brotherly love, or a love that you have for a brother.

00:42:22.000 Storge, which is mother or father for a kid love, which is completely different than brotherly love.

00:42:27.000 There's also Eros, which is love you have for a romantic partner, you know, very sexual love, but also it's deeper than that.

00:42:33.000 It's like kind of a soul connection.

00:42:35.000 But then there's agape, which is the ultimate form of love for God so agape the world, which is self-sacrificial love that you would give your life for another.

00:42:43.000 And like they've never heard this concept before.

00:42:45.000 And of course they haven't.

00:42:47.000 Because they've only been living for themselves.

00:42:49.000 And that's a very empty existence.

00:42:51.000 And if I had to, you know, summarize why is it that, you know, Gen Z is the most suicidal, depressed, alcohol-addicted generation history, it's because they're just living for themselves. 0.92

00:43:00.000 They're not living for something above themselves.

00:43:02.000 They're not living for something greater than themselves.

00:43:05.000 And there is something greater than themselves.

00:43:07.000 You're just a small part of this massive unfolding plan.

00:43:11.000 And the trans agenda is a weaponization of the me, me, me, I, I, I believe system where it's that I, I can change my form based on an act of the will. 0.84

00:43:22.000 That I wasn't designed, I wasn't made, I wasn't, I can basically start afresh and start new.

00:43:30.000 And if I feel a certain way, I can kind of go through the build-a-bear workshop and I can reconfigure myself.

00:43:37.000 And by the way, what hubris and pride to think that, first of all, that you can redesign yourself.

00:43:44.000 Secondly, no, you can't.

00:43:46.000 Chopping off your parts. 1.00

00:43:49.000 Penis, you can say it. 1.00

00:43:50.000 It's Freedom House. 0.99

00:43:51.000 All right.

00:43:53.000 Just chopping off doesn't change who you are. 0.93

00:43:55.000 It just makes you a eunuch, okay? 0.97

00:43:57.000 So it doesn't make you a woman. 0.95

00:44:01.000 Yeah, it makes you a eunuch, right?

00:44:03.000 So it's a completely different thing.

00:44:04.000 We have a word for that.

00:44:06.000 They're all throughout the scriptures.

00:44:08.000 Your dog's a eunuch.

00:44:09.000 Your dog's a eunuch.

00:44:10.000 That's great.

00:44:11.000 So, and so, but I have very strong opinions on the trans thing.

00:44:17.000 I think it's one of the most important things happening in the country.

00:44:20.000 It's accelerating.

00:44:21.000 It's not slowing down.

00:44:24.000 We're getting very close to a place that if you count lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, which I actually think they are connected, and I could tell you why.

00:44:31.000 Some people say, oh, you know, they need to be separated.

00:44:33.000 I actually think there's a reason why I can get into that.

00:44:36.000 It's because they missed it.

00:44:36.000 I'm going to get into it because I was going to ask you what the connection is.

00:44:40.000 And also, I want you to talk to, because, you know, what I'm noticing as leading a church is I get a ton of questions from parents who are, number one, they're struggling with their kids.

00:44:50.000 You know, starting to say, well, you know, I think I might be a girl or I might be a guy.

00:44:56.000 Or their kids have friends and they don't know what to do with them.

00:44:59.000 They don't know how to handle that conversation.

00:45:02.000 So talk about the connection and then get attention.

00:45:04.000 So the parent thing is, I don't want to forget that, so I'm going to start there and then I'll get into the connection.

00:45:09.000 So the parent thing, I encourage all of you to read, she's one of my all-stars, Dr. Miriam Grossman, Lost in Transnation.

00:45:16.000 There's a specific chapter where she goes through, and by the way, she's actually a pediatrician and she is a child psychiatrist.

00:45:22.000 She's not one of these goofy people on TV that just writes about the stuff abstractly.

00:45:26.000 She's actually treated and is treating children, okay?

00:45:29.000 That is very, very hard to find.

00:45:31.000 The first thing when you get into the trans issue is, am I reading from an expert that has ever clinically treated a child?

00:45:38.000 And if the answer is no, burn whatever they wrote, okay?

00:45:41.000 That's number one.

00:45:43.000 Have they ever in a way clinically treated a child?

00:45:45.000 And most of them haven't.

00:45:46.000 It's been all abstractions.

00:45:48.000 It's been all books, all theories.

00:45:49.000 They've actually never been in a clinician role.

00:45:52.000 So she has, she's a leading spokesman person on it.

00:45:54.000 She has an entire chapter, and I'll give you one element that I think is really important, where she goes through dialogue of child-parent, child-parent, of what happens when they say, I'm no longer Joe, I'm now Susie.

00:46:08.000 And like actually how to navigate that.

00:46:10.000 And one of the takeaways that was jaw-dropping for me, and everyone needs to know this, okay, is based on all of her research and all of her data, she says that the first conversation is the most important conversation.

00:46:22.000 And so this is why you have to know this, and you could screw it up as a parent.

00:46:26.000 And so what she says in the book is that if Joe comes to you and says, I'm Susie all of a sudden, don't freak out.

00:46:32.000 You could freak out after.

00:46:32.000 You can go scream into a pillow.

00:46:34.000 You can go yell at somebody.

00:46:36.000 But you have to have a loving and long conversation immediately with your child.

00:46:41.000 You can't be dismissive.

00:46:43.000 Instead, you be curious.

00:46:44.000 Now, this is so hard because you like all of a sudden have this bubbling up like vengeance, like, who did this to you?

00:46:51.000 I'm going to find them.

00:46:53.000 You're not a girl. 1.00

00:46:54.000 Stop it.

00:46:55.000 Snap out of it.

00:46:56.000 That reaction is justified. 0.98

00:46:59.000 You can manifest that feeling in a much more effective way.

00:47:02.000 Because if you screw it up, they'll immediately turn off to you and they'll go to somebody else and they'll be on hormone blockers in six weeks.

00:47:10.000 Okay?

00:47:10.000 So instead, you'd be really curious.

00:47:12.000 Like, oh, that's so interesting.

00:47:14.000 Tell me about that.

00:47:15.000 And you just are silent.

00:47:16.000 You allow the silence.

00:47:17.000 Like, oh, well, I really think I'm a girl.

00:47:19.000 Where'd you first have that thought?

00:47:20.000 Because that's new to me.

00:47:23.000 Well, you know, I was really lonely and I was flipping through TikTok and I saw all of a sudden you'll start to get to the bottom of it and you just become their thinking partner.

00:47:32.000 But at the end of the conversation, you say, hey, I'm here for you, but here's what I'm not going to do.

00:47:36.000 I'm not going to call you by a different name.

00:47:38.000 And I'm not going to call you by different pronouns.

00:47:40.000 But I am going to be your thinking partner and I love you.

00:47:42.000 And let's have a conversation on this tomorrow.

00:47:45.000 Okay?

00:47:46.000 And the kid feels like they have a partner that they could still seek refuge in.

00:47:50.000 And then they walk away, then you go scream in the pillow and you freak out.

00:47:53.000 And that's fine.

00:47:54.000 Absolutely.

00:47:55.000 Okay?

00:47:56.000 That is incredibly important, everybody.

00:47:58.000 Yep.

00:47:59.000 Because here's how it usually happens.

00:48:01.000 Incredibly combative, and you're fighting with a 15-year-old, who, by the way, most transitions in the teens are girl to men.

00:48:07.000 A girl to boy.

00:48:08.000 And by the way, you can't transition, but it's a girl butchering herself to think she's a boy, which means you're dealing with a hyper-hormonal young lady who will only dig in and find a different figure.

00:48:17.000 Okay? 0.98

00:48:18.000 The vast majority of those transitions are females.

00:48:21.000 So if you have a young girl at home, they're at risk.

00:48:23.000 I hate to just scare you.

00:48:24.000 They're at risk.

00:48:25.000 The young boy thing is still a problem, but they actually manifest more after the age of 18, less so than under the age.

00:48:32.000 The data is really remarkable.

00:48:34.000 But the book that Dr. Miriam Grossman puts forward is: you must understand that there are big lies embedded.

00:48:40.000 And one of the worst things you can do is take your child to one of these gender butchering clinics that call themselves healthcare. 1.00

00:48:47.000 In a matter of hours, they will do some sort of peripheral diagnosis and they will give them testosterone replacement therapy, Lupron, hormone blockers, irreversible damage to them, and even suggest mastectomies or suggest breast removal.

00:49:04.000 I mean, we're talking about some of the most aggressive surgical interventions.

00:49:08.000 And this is not a little bit.

00:49:09.000 This is happening.

00:49:10.000 We don't know actually how many kids are on this, but we know it's such a social contagion and phenomenon.

00:49:14.000 So I could talk about that at length.

00:49:15.000 But if that even touched one parent out there, that you might get a conversation soon, then it was worth me going through all of that, okay?

00:49:22.000 So that just to repeat, the first conversation is long, is loving, and you're curious, okay?

00:49:29.000 But you do not compromise today in the conversation on pronouns or names, but it's long, it's loving, it's curious.

00:49:34.000 Okay, so what is the connection between lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans?

00:49:38.000 Because some people say, I don't understand how all these things fit.

00:49:41.000 They're completely different.

00:49:42.000 On the surface level, that is technically true.

00:49:45.000 But if you listen to the homosexual activists, they will say that being gay is my identity.

00:49:54.000 It's who I am, and it can never change.

00:49:58.000 The trans people say, being a boy is who I am.

00:50:02.000 It's my identity, and it cannot change.

00:50:05.000 The way that the homosexual activists used to talk about it in the 70s and 80s is that I have gay thoughts and feelings, and I act on them with gay behavior.

00:50:15.000 That's completely different.

00:50:16.000 It went from a movement that I have feelings and behavioral patterns and action to now it is who I am.

00:50:24.000 It's in my DNA.

00:50:25.000 It's in my fiber.

00:50:26.000 It cannot change.

00:50:27.000 And no matter what you do, it's just as it's like my skin color. 0.76

00:50:32.000 And so therefore, as we've conceded the ground, as we call it, well, you are gay, instead, we should say, again, I get a lot of hate mail for saying this, but it's true. 1.00

00:50:41.000 Instead, you should say, well, you're struggling with same-sex attraction.

00:50:45.000 That's a completely different thing.

00:50:47.000 Saying that you're struggling with same-sex attraction means that it's a behavior.

00:50:50.000 And they'll say, well, it's just not fair.

00:50:52.000 It's how I was born, and I have to act on it.

00:50:55.000 Now, we as Christians, we shouldn't give an inch on this.

00:50:57.000 There are some people here that are struggling with alcoholism.

00:51:00.000 You're struggling with gambling addiction.

00:51:01.000 You're struggling with gossip.

00:51:02.000 You're struggling with pride.

00:51:04.000 We should not give an inch to some sort of sin and allow your sin to become your identity.

00:51:10.000 Where do we get maps instead of pedophiles? 0.96

00:51:14.000 Minor attraction person. 1.00

00:51:16.000 Right.

00:51:17.000 And just think about this.

00:51:18.000 I mean, think about how insane it would be if somebody came up to the line and said, hey, you know, just so you know, I am a serial adulterer and I'm proud of it.

00:51:27.000 We have the entire month of October dedicated to us.

00:51:30.000 I cheat on my wife.

00:51:31.000 I'm unfaithful.

00:51:33.000 And if you want to see our flag, here it is.

00:51:37.000 How is that any different?

00:51:39.000 And we've accepted it because it's a behavioral choice.

00:51:42.000 Now, I don't wish for anybody.

00:51:44.000 We must have sympathy because I can't imagine the torment of having to go through being attracted to the same sex.

00:51:51.000 I don't wish that on somebody.

00:51:52.000 I don't think of that lightly.

00:51:54.000 But also, we shouldn't concede the ground that it's inextricably linked to your identity.

00:51:59.000 So that's how they're tied together, Troy.

00:52:00.000 That's really true.

00:52:01.000 And so I get a lot of hate for that.

00:52:03.000 But if you actually go back to the 80s and 90s, that's how that community used to even frame it.

00:52:10.000 And that's why many of you probably, including myself, had a much more live and let-live attitude towards this stuff.

00:52:16.000 Because it used to be, the old line is, well, you couldn't even tell that they were gay.

00:52:19.000 They would go to their job and that they would, you know.

00:52:22.000 We can now.

00:52:23.000 Well, because it's their identity, Penny, because they're told that you must wear it as like, you must be a mascot for your sexual choices.

00:52:33.000 And it's not even enough of that.

00:52:34.000 Like, we must recruit new people into our ranks because we can't reproduce, therefore we must recruit. 0.95

00:52:40.000 Wow.

00:52:41.000 Oh, they hate that one.

00:52:42.000 Oh, when I say that one.

00:52:43.000 Which is why there's... 0.95

00:52:45.000 Because you're not born gay, and all of a sudden you just have a list. 0.63

00:52:49.000 Well, we don't. 0.92

00:52:50.000 Oh, you're right.

00:52:51.000 I do want to be.

00:52:52.000 I mean, is that not the truth?

00:52:54.000 We don't.

00:52:55.000 So I will say this, and I'm willing to be agnostic on it.

00:52:59.000 I do believe, and there is clinical data, that some people are born with feminine tendencies.

00:53:04.000 We do not know whether or not you're born with a same-sex attraction.

00:53:07.000 I am agnostic on that question.

00:53:09.000 It is true, though, that the vast majority of people that suffer with same-sex attraction have some sort of trauma or some sort of an issue with a nuclear.

00:53:18.000 That is 100% true, and that is supported by clinical data, right?

00:53:21.000 That's why we must be born again.

00:53:24.000 Well, of course, we all must be born new, and we must also, as Christians, not be too legalistic or preachy towards people that are suffering the same-sex attraction.

00:53:32.000 And I can say, hey, you're struggling with same-sex attraction.

00:53:34.000 I want to struggle with pornography.

00:53:36.000 So we both have sins.

00:53:37.000 But I'm not going to own it and justify it.

00:53:40.000 We're going to struggle together in Christ and be born new and to become transformed by the living and real God.

00:53:47.000 Yeah.

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:48.000 I love that.

00:53:49.000 I love that.

00:53:51.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:53:52.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:53:55.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:53:57.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 25, 2024

Why Borders Are Biblical

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