The Charlie Kirk Show - December 18, 2025


Why Britain Is On the Brink of a Revolution


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Reform UK's Dr. James Orr joins us in studio to talk about his new political party, Reform UK, and why he thinks we should stop sending our kids to college. We also talk about why the Tories are worse than the Nazis.

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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to our two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000 I'm Andrew Colvett.
00:01:13.000 Blake Neff's to my left.
00:01:14.000 Defected.
00:01:15.000 Switched sides on the table.
00:01:17.000 And the reason being is that in studio we have the great Dr. James Orr.
00:01:21.000 It's a pleasure to have you, sir.
00:01:22.000 Great to be with you, Andrew.
00:01:23.000 Great to be with you, Blake.
00:01:25.000 Well, it's always a treat.
00:01:28.000 You know, some of my best, most favorite last memories with Charlie, you happen to be a part of as well.
00:01:35.000 And so that is really close to my heart, and I know to yours as well.
00:01:42.000 And I'm glad we had that time.
00:01:44.000 And then you came back afterwards, and I know you've made some trips to Phoenix, and you're going to be joining us for Amfest.
00:01:49.000 So I think we're all excited.
00:01:51.000 You're actually going to be moderating some discussions.
00:01:54.000 So I believe.
00:01:55.000 I've only just found this out maybe a few days ago.
00:01:58.000 I'm really excited for that.
00:01:59.000 We volunteered you for a second.
00:02:01.000 I think I've got three debates to moderate.
00:02:03.000 That's amazing.
00:02:04.000 Including some pretty neuralgic, difficult topics.
00:02:08.000 I think there's one on God.
00:02:11.000 You don't get harder than that.
00:02:13.000 There's one on Israel.
00:02:14.000 And I think they thought, well, who are we going to give the hospital pass to?
00:02:17.000 Let's send it to the Brit.
00:02:19.000 Who cares if he plays up?
00:02:20.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:02:21.000 It's not like you have your own reputation to worry about here, Dr. Orr.
00:02:26.000 You, of course, are very active with reform in the UK.
00:02:30.000 How things are going over there?
00:02:32.000 Things are going extremely well.
00:02:34.000 In fact, in many ways, there isn't really a historical precedent for how well Reform UK is doing.
00:02:40.000 Well, what we're witnessing is really the emergence for the first time in the history of British politics, a new party of the right that is credible, that has increasingly very strong popular support.
00:02:53.000 I think we've been leading at about 160 polls, poll after poll.
00:02:59.000 We've made some amazing incursions electorally back in May, swept the local elections.
00:03:06.000 Looks like we're going to do extremely well in Wales and in Scotland.
00:03:09.000 So the energy is extraordinary.
00:03:12.000 At the moment, we're sometimes polling higher than the combined polling of the Labour Party and the Conservative Party, the two historic parties.
00:03:19.000 I want to highlight that, that they've had a few different parties towards the left end of the politics.
00:03:23.000 They used to have the Liberals, and they're still around, but they're small, and they got replaced by Labour.
00:03:27.000 But the Conservatives and before them, the Tories, they're older than America.
00:03:31.000 There was a, I believe it was a Tory prime minister when the American Revolution broke out.
00:03:35.000 Absolutely.
00:03:35.000 Absolutely.
00:03:36.000 And they've been the party of government, typically, in Britain for 300 years.
00:03:43.000 And it might all go down in flames.
00:03:45.000 Well, and, you know, are we still a first question?
00:03:50.000 What's the animating factor?
00:03:52.000 Well, I think for the One very important animating factor is a negative one, namely just the routine betrayal and incompetence of successive Labour and Tory governments over certainly over the last 25 years.
00:04:06.000 Over the Tory period, you know, the Conservatives let in their last Parliament, from sort of 2019 to 2024, more legal and illegal migrants than we've seen in our history. 0.96
00:04:22.000 Why?
00:04:22.000 Well, all sorts of complicated reasons behind it, but I think part of the problem was a belief in the dogma of the Treasury that the British economy will collapse if we don't keep the Ponzi scheme going, if we don't keep bringing in hundreds of thousands, indeed millions of people to help prop up the economy and do the jobs that Brits don't want to do.
00:04:44.000 It's the same old story.
00:04:46.000 Well, it's so appalling just because you did the Biden wave, except they call it Boris wave there, and it was, I think, higher than Biden's level of immigration when you adjust for the size of the country.
00:04:57.000 And with a right-wing government, they've had only right-of-center governments in the UK until Starmer from 2010 to last year, and they did the full open border spiel from the right.
00:05:08.000 That's exactly right.
00:05:09.000 And so I think that's the first thing that's really driving support for us because reform has been very, very clear on migration from the very beginning.
00:05:19.000 It's very clear on the fiscal suicide of net zero and the need to get some energy independence and energy sovereignty.
00:05:25.000 It's been very clear on questions of free speech.
00:05:29.000 We had the passing of the Online Safety Act just a few months ago.
00:05:34.000 And this is really a censorship charter using the wedge of trying to get some statutory protection for children online.
00:05:43.000 But folded into that enormous piece of legislation was effectively measures and tools that equip Ofcom, our media regulator, with enormous powers to censor.
00:05:56.000 And even Substack is now having to censor certain articles to comply with the legislation.
00:06:02.000 I think even X announced today that they just said some of our material is going to have to be taken down in Europe.
00:06:08.000 And you have to watch out for what you post because we're falling, but we can't defy these laws just yet.
00:06:14.000 The European Union is developing its own kind of censorship charter that is even more draconian.
00:06:20.000 And it's extraordinary what's happening.
00:06:23.000 And so we're very committed to getting free speech right if we ever got into power.
00:06:29.000 And it's quite straightforward to do it.
00:06:31.000 There's just a few provisions in a few acts here and there that need to be amended or clarified or simply repealed.
00:06:38.000 And that could have an enormous downstream effect on the culture of freedom movement.
00:06:44.000 You guys are so lucky.
00:06:45.000 In Britain, they just have supremacy of parliament.
00:06:48.000 They can essentially just, if you have a majority, you can pass any law you want on anything.
00:06:53.000 But I want to, on the free speech thing, can you talk about the Islamophobia definition?
00:06:57.000 That's been going on in the past couple of days.
00:06:59.000 That's another concern.
00:07:00.000 Yeah, so this has been a long-running debate in the public square over the last few years in Britain, and there's been a big push on the left and now with the Labour Party, which has an enormous majority in the House of Commons, to effectively legislate a definition and protect, or rather, protect anyone who feels themselves to be a victim of Islamophobia.
00:07:22.000 And so there's been a lot of back and forth.
00:07:24.000 And actually, Parliament has been working very well.
00:07:26.000 There's been excellent Tory MPs who've been getting up and pointing out just what an incursion on freedom of speech and freedom of religion this definition would be.
00:07:36.000 Because effectively, what they're trying to do is to elide sort of beliefs with identity.
00:07:42.000 And And so the thought is that to be a Muslim is to have a particular identity rather than to have that identity in virtue of subscribing to a set of beliefs, beliefs that plainly can be criticized in any free democracy and indeed and should be criticized, should be open to criticism. 0.88
00:08:00.000 But so the government's backed down is trying to tweak the definition and now it's something like anti-Muslim, anti-Muslim hatred or anti-Muslim, yeah, I think it's anti-Muslim hatred.
00:08:10.000 And the problem with that is it just, you know, it just bakes in the problem.
00:08:15.000 Do they have anti-white hatred?
00:08:17.000 They, technically, yes.
00:08:19.000 Technically, yes.
00:08:20.000 I mean, there is all of this sort of exists under the equality legislation, but this would be a special provision.
00:08:25.000 It would be a special protection, which, well, they're trying to say by shifting to anti-Muslim hate as opposed to Islamophobia, we've kind of solved the problem.
00:08:34.000 But we don't.
00:08:35.000 Because, again, the assumption is there that somehow to be a Muslim is to be a member of a race or to be a member of an ethnic group, which plainly you're not. 0.59
00:08:42.000 You're a Muslim. 0.98
00:08:42.000 Just if you can do the Shahada three times or whatever it might be, the three of us could become Muslims in the next half hour. 0.98
00:08:50.000 It's completely nothing to do with our ethnicity or race.
00:08:52.000 I'm looking at the latest draft definition, and it includes as something that would be banned the prejudicial stereotyping and racialization of Muslims to stir up hatred against them.
00:09:02.000 That just strikes me as an incredibly broad thing.
00:09:05.000 Stereotyping of Muslims. 0.83
00:09:06.000 To say there's a common trait that a lot of Muslims have.
00:09:11.000 Well, I think that what you would have to say to speak to a trait that a lot of Muslims have is you'd have to pick out some doctrinal commitment, some belief that should be contestable in a free democracy. 0.98
00:09:27.000 There's nothing distinctive, ethnically or racially distinctive about being Muslim. 0.85
00:09:31.000 As we said, it's simply whether or not you sign up to a belief system.
00:09:35.000 And so what it's doing is it's protecting that belief system, protecting the identity that you have in virtue of signing up to the belief system.
00:09:41.000 It's an ideological belief, and then you say you can't stereotype a belief system.
00:09:46.000 Well, what is it then?
00:09:47.000 Well, yeah, but what about genital mutilation of young girls?
00:09:51.000 That tends to be something that happens in Muslim African nations.
00:09:57.000 What about the grooming gangs that tend to be centralized within a particular immigrant group that happen to be Muslims?
00:10:06.000 So then all this stuff, all of a sudden these get very sticky, these topics.
00:10:10.000 Absolutely right.
00:10:11.000 I mean, what's interesting about that is that ironically, this legislation could make people think that criticism about grooming gangs or criticism about female genital mutilation is something somehow a widespread shared Islamic belief.
00:10:28.000 But it's not.
00:10:28.000 It's actually, certainly the grooming gangs come from a very particular area of Pakistan and FGM is localized in parts of sub-Saharan Africa.
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00:11:46.000 So tell us, establish yourself, your bona fides.
00:11:49.000 What do you do?
00:11:50.000 Who are you?
00:11:50.000 Well, my main job and vocation is in academia.
00:11:54.000 So I'm an associate professor of philosophy and religion at Cambridge in England, where I teach undergraduates.
00:11:59.000 I teach graduate students, PhD students.
00:12:01.000 So I love doing that.
00:12:03.000 But I have another day job now where I'm as senior advisor to Nigel Farage, leader of Reform UK, and we are all expecting our next prime minister.
00:12:13.000 2029?
00:12:14.000 Well, 2029 is the latest that the election can be called, and I'm not sure the country can last that long, but it's possible that the government will fall before that.
00:12:24.000 We're very good at getting rid of prime ministers.
00:12:26.000 Getting rid of governments is a lot harder.
00:12:28.000 Yeah, okay.
00:12:30.000 Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, which you have to vote for the government to fall. 0.98
00:12:35.000 Even if they hate the head turkey, we do turkey at Christmas too, but it's more of a Thanksgiving.
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00:12:42.000 All right, no Stradamus or when would you predict that we're actually going to be able to vote again?
00:12:50.000 Is it in the UK?
00:12:51.000 Is it going to be 2029 or you predict before?
00:12:53.000 Well, I mean, the first thing to say is that we've got what Nigel is calling our midterms, which is sort of an American phrase, but we have got a big set of regional, local, devolved elections next May.
00:13:06.000 So the whole of Wales gets to vote for its local parliament, same in Scotland.
00:13:11.000 And then there's thousands of seats around Greater London and all around England that are going to be up for grabs.
00:13:16.000 And we're expecting a turquoise tsunami.
00:13:18.000 We're expecting Reform UK to do extremely well in all of those elections.
00:13:22.000 And that will be the last time that the British people get to express their democratic will before the next general election.
00:13:28.000 The latest that can be constitutionally is the first week of August 2029.
00:13:32.000 And it could be that Kier Starmer, many people don't think he's going to be Prime Minister for that much longer, but whoever his successor would have until the first week of August 2029.
00:13:42.000 But it could be that something happens before that.
00:13:45.000 We're expecting a recession.
00:13:47.000 We're expecting perhaps a very tight credit squeeze before 2029.
00:13:53.000 So it's not impossible that we'll be looking at a general election 2027.
00:13:57.000 I think I'm probably more inclined to say it's going to be 2029.
00:14:01.000 I think the last hundred years, the British government's fallen maybe once.
00:14:06.000 When you change prime minister, you don't change the British government.
00:14:08.000 You just change the leader of the party who's got the majority in parliament.
00:14:12.000 And it just seems to me, I can't figure out why Labour would call an election just to get killed, to hold power while you have it.
00:14:20.000 Exactly, as I said earlier, turkeys don't vote for Christmas, even if they hate the head turkey, which they do.
00:14:25.000 And indeed, the whole of the British left is bland turkey.
00:14:30.000 Pretty bland, definitely.
00:14:32.000 But yeah, the whole of the British left now is really cannibalizing itself.
00:14:36.000 It's splintering off into all kinds of different movements.
00:14:38.000 We've seen for the first time ever, really, the Green Party now getting well into double digits in the polls.
00:14:44.000 Could we get green versus reform as unthinkable?
00:14:48.000 It's not unthinkable.
00:14:49.000 It's essentially what we have in the United States.
00:14:50.000 Oh, it's MAGA versus Mamdani. 0.53
00:14:54.000 Right.
00:14:55.000 Yeah, I mean, so it's very interesting seeing the parallels between somebody like Mandani and Zach Polanski, who is the new leader of the Green Party.
00:15:04.000 And it's growing very, very fast as a party.
00:15:07.000 It's easy.
00:15:07.000 I think you only pay like £5 to get in.
00:15:09.000 So it would probably be quite easy to do some entryism and maybe hijack the Green Party.
00:15:14.000 But as far as we're concerned, it's fantastic.
00:15:19.000 May many flowers on the British left bloom because it's basically fracturing the vote between, you've got the focus on, well, I mean, there are focus on the crescent, you might say.
00:15:32.000 There's a focus on the rainbow.
00:15:33.000 There's a focus on the star with the old socialists.
00:15:36.000 So this is not going to not work out well.
00:15:40.000 And the cracks are emerging.
00:15:43.000 The Parliamentary Labour Party is very welfarist, very, very statist.
00:15:49.000 Starmer tried to get a tiny little haircut, £5 billion off our ballooning £300 billion a year welfare bill, and he couldn't get it through, even though he had a majority in Parliament of about 175 seats.
00:16:03.000 So, and that's the most, you know, just a very, very tiny, very, very small exercise of kind of restraining our public expenditure.
00:16:13.000 So, yeah, things are not looking good on that side of British politics.
00:16:19.000 And on the right, yes, there are supposed, there are also figures popping up.
00:16:23.000 There's Tommy Robinson's, there's Rupert Lowe's, there's Ben Habibs.
00:16:26.000 These are interesting figures on the right.
00:16:28.000 So it's not like we're completely unified, but that's where the energy is.
00:16:32.000 I think there's a feeling that that's where the policy energy is.
00:16:36.000 That's where the people are.
00:16:37.000 It's where the best ideas are fizzing on the right.
00:16:41.000 So we just discussed with Steve Dace, our last guest, about the recurring Republican problem of elect people to restrict immigration or do other bold things, and they just get these feet of clay in office.
00:16:53.000 So I suppose one obvious concern is reform wins a landslide, 27 or 29.
00:16:59.000 Do they have the stones to go through with a big immigration cutback or moratorium or other big sweeping things?
00:17:06.000 Or is there going to be a lot of, are people going to wuss out at the brink?
00:17:10.000 Yeah.
00:17:11.000 Somebody told me, I think it was about a year ago, that the process, there's a name for that process.
00:17:15.000 What happens to you as you got to go in?
00:17:17.000 Melonification, melonification, which I think actually in retrospect is probably unfair to Georgia Maloney, who is reputed to have come in with talking tough on migration and then actually folded as soon as she got in. 0.83
00:17:28.000 But actually, I think if you look at her numbers, what she's done, her track record, it's been pretty impressive.
00:17:33.000 So it's going to be very, very challenging.
00:17:35.000 We're going to be up against one of the most effective blobs, as it were, as we call it, in England and in the world.
00:17:44.000 Enormous inertia, huge resistance probably to almost all of our program, despite we're having widespread popular support across all the different parties regaining control of our borders.
00:17:55.000 So it's going to be extremely difficult.
00:17:57.000 We're going to be up against the judicial industrial complex, the human rights lawyers.
00:18:02.000 I'm very fascinated.
00:18:03.000 That was actually my question about legally what are you guys going to because we Trump gets stopped at every judge, every district judge with a gavel and a robe.
00:18:11.000 And I can only imagine just knowing the nature somewhat of the English intelligentsia that you're going to be up against a real stiff fight.
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00:20:05.000 You're also joined by Dr. James Orr from Cambridge, and this is an issue near and dear to his heart as well.
00:20:11.000 So we're going to have a fun, well, not a fun, it's a serious and important conversation.
00:20:15.000 You have been traveling around interviewing persecuted Christians in South Asia.
00:20:22.000 And I think a lot of people, a lot of discussion right now is about Nigeria.
00:20:25.000 This is kind of, if you're going to talk about this topic, that's where you're focused on.
00:20:29.000 But, you know, there are other areas of the world that we need to be aware of where Christians are being persecuted actively right now.
00:20:36.000 Please tell us about some of your stories out of South Asia.
00:20:39.000 Yeah, one of the things we heard repeatedly in South Asia was stories of Christians being affected by the anti-conversion laws in India.
00:20:47.000 So multiple states, now 12 states in India, have passed laws that make it illegal to change your religion and illegal to encourage someone else to change their religion.
00:20:59.000 So right now in India, there are dozens of pastors in prison under these anti-conversion laws.
00:21:05.000 And one of the interesting things is the inducement, the idea of inducing someone to change their faith is illegal.
00:21:12.000 We actually had an interview and we've aired it now on Voice of the Martyrs Radio with a human rights attorney who is talking about if you set up donuts and coffee before your church service, the government can come in and say, hey, that's an illegal inducement.
00:21:25.000 You're giving donuts and coffee away.
00:21:28.000 You're tricking people into changing their religion. 0.66
00:21:31.000 That's the kind of silliness that these laws are based on.
00:21:35.000 Here's the other thing, though.
00:21:37.000 It is not illegal to reconvert someone to Hinduism.
00:21:40.000 In fact, an Indian member of parliament just in the last few weeks has presided over what they call a reconversion ceremony, reconverting people back to Hinduism.
00:21:50.000 They can do that by force.
00:21:52.000 But if a Christian invites you to church, if the Christian gives you donuts and coffee, that's an illegal inducement to change your religion. 0.72
00:22:00.000 Wow.
00:22:01.000 So 12 states, I had to look this up.
00:22:04.000 There's 28 states in India.
00:22:06.000 So we're at nearly half of the country of India.
00:22:09.000 It is now illegal.
00:22:10.000 And I don't know population, you know, what percentage of the population that would make up.
00:22:15.000 But that is striking, especially for a British, former British-run colony, if you will.
00:22:21.000 But so when did that start changing?
00:22:25.000 I'm curious.
00:22:26.000 When did those laws start passing?
00:22:28.000 Well, they really took a lot of momentum when Prime Minister Modi, who has come out of this Hindu nationalist movement called the RSS, that is his background.
00:22:39.000 He's the prime minister of the whole country of India.
00:22:42.000 And so he has brought that philosophy to the highest levels of the Indian government.
00:22:46.000 Now, they have talked about a national anti-conversion law.
00:22:50.000 So far, that has not happened.
00:22:52.000 But there are individual states where they have passed these anti-conversion laws.
00:22:56.000 And, you know, when they talk about it, it sounds like a good idea.
00:22:59.000 Like, hey, we don't want people to be bribed or forced to change their religion.
00:23:04.000 And I think all of us would say, yeah, that's true.
00:23:06.000 We don't want that.
00:23:07.000 But then, like I say, when you get to what the law actually says and some of the laws, there's one state that says, if you want to change your religion, you need to go before a magistrate and say that you're going to change your religion.
00:23:20.000 And if you want to talk to someone else about changing their religion, what us Christians would call evangelism, you need to go before a magistrate six months before you have that conversation.
00:23:31.000 And you need to appear and say, hey, in six months, I'm going to talk to my neighbor about coming to church with me.
00:23:37.000 I just want to get your okay, Mr. Magistrate.
00:23:39.000 And it's like you read that and you're like, that's ludicrous.
00:23:42.000 No one could do that.
00:23:43.000 No one would do that.
00:23:45.000 Yes, exactly.
00:23:46.000 So when you have that conversation, then they can come in and say, well, hey, six months ago, you didn't go to the magistrate.
00:23:51.000 That was illegal.
00:23:52.000 You're going off to jail.
00:23:54.000 You've, you know, it kind of makes me think of this story that's kind of percolating, and we haven't talked about it yet, but Rep Mark Warren Walker from North Carolina, he's Trump's nominee for religious freedom, and he's just been waiting for a committee hearing.
00:24:11.000 So we can't seem to get that through.
00:24:12.000 He's getting blocked, apparently, by a former political foe.
00:24:17.000 But these are the types of stories we need to be educated on about why those types of posts are so important within the Trump administration.
00:24:24.000 Let's kind of keep going around the map here.
00:24:28.000 So we talked about South Asia.
00:24:30.000 There's issues in Central Asia, and there's obviously Nigeria.
00:24:34.000 Highlight the stories that you think our audience needs to hear most.
00:24:39.000 Well, I think of Nigeria.
00:24:40.000 Obviously, it's in the news.
00:24:43.000 Just on Sunday, there was another raid on a church, 13 Christians kidnapped out of their church.
00:24:49.000 Right now, we don't know.
00:24:50.000 Was this Boko Haram?
00:24:52.000 Was this ISIS West Africa province?
00:24:55.000 Was it just a criminal gang that wants ransom?
00:24:58.000 They're trying to fundraise, and so they're kidnapping people for ransom.
00:25:01.000 Right now, we don't know that, but this is happening again and again and again.
00:25:06.000 And I think at some point you start to ask the question, well, is the Nigerian government incapable of stopping these kinds of attacks, or do they not have the will to stop these kinds of attacks?
00:25:18.000 And those are valid questions.
00:25:20.000 Since President Trump named Nigeria as a country of particular concern earlier this year, it's going to be really interesting to see how the State Department plays that out and what tools are brought to bear to help Nigeria.
00:25:34.000 Again, typically it's not the government of Nigeria that is persecuting Christians.
00:25:37.000 It is these terrorist groups.
00:25:39.000 It is Islamists from among the Fulani tribe. 0.97
00:25:42.000 It is other sort of smaller players.
00:25:44.000 So it's going to be interesting to see how that CPC status plays out and how the State Department sort of acts that out in our relationship with Nigeria.
00:25:54.000 Well, and one of the more surprising things, I don't know if you've heard this story, Dr. Orr, but Nikki Minaj, of all people, has been helping raise awareness.
00:26:04.000 You can throw up 262.
00:26:06.000 She's been, she gave a keynote remark on combating religious violence and the killing of Christians in Nigeria.
00:26:14.000 She's been working, willing to work with the Trump administration to raise awareness on this.
00:26:18.000 I mean, this is a, I have to say, I'm not, I've not traditionally been a fan of the rapper known as Nikki Minaj, but I mean, good for her.
00:26:29.000 How many Christians have been silent?
00:26:32.000 How many conservatives have been silent about the persecution of the Christian church in Nigeria, the slaughter of Christians?
00:26:39.000 And then Nikki Minaj comes here and she helps make it a national news story, an international news story.
00:26:45.000 It already was one, but raising the profile of that story.
00:26:48.000 Have you seen movement even at Voice of the Martyrs since she's gotten involved?
00:26:52.000 Oh, it is interesting to have other voices that you weren't expecting.
00:26:58.000 Bill Maher did the same thing, raising the issue of Nigerian persecution.
00:27:02.000 So you have Bill Maher and you have Nikki Minaj and you have President Trump all talking about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria.
00:27:09.000 I don't think any of us would have predicted that at the beginning of this year.
00:27:12.000 Yeah.
00:27:14.000 Let's take our sights to Syria. 0.59
00:27:19.000 There's kind of conflicting reports, but I know that Christians are getting targeted in Syria as well.
00:27:24.000 What can you tell us there?
00:27:25.000 Well, the Syrian government, the new Syrian government, now almost a year old, a year since the fall of Bashir al-Assad there in Syria, what they have said to the rest of the world is, we want religious freedom.
00:27:38.000 We want a Syria that is safe for every religion.
00:27:42.000 We know that there are Syrians who are Christians, and then there are Syrians who are Druze, and there are Syrians who are Muslim, and we want to all live together in peace.
00:27:50.000 And the rest of the world hears that and we're like, yes, that's great.
00:27:53.000 We want that too.
00:27:54.000 What they're saying, though, inside Syria is very different.
00:27:58.000 And we have had contact with Syrian pastors who have are hearing from the government or hearing from the soldiers.
00:28:05.000 You Christians, just you wait. 1.00
00:28:07.000 Wait till we get our feet on the ground.
00:28:09.000 Wait till we get our government established.
00:28:11.000 Then we're going to take care of you.
00:28:13.000 So what they're telling the rest of the world, the Syrian government, is not what they're telling Christians living inside Syria.
00:28:20.000 And Christians there are understandably very concerned.
00:28:23.000 If you're a father or a mother and you have young children in Syria and you're a Christian right now, you're asking yourself every single day, is it safe for our children?
00:28:31.000 Is it safe to raise our children here or should we try to go somewhere else?
00:28:36.000 That's a huge challenge.
00:28:37.000 And that's just reality of following Christ right now in Syria.
00:28:41.000 Well, thank you for that update.
00:28:44.000 And, you know, it occurs to me, and you guys kind of flag this for us, is that during the Christmas season, persecution of Christians actually increases.
00:28:54.000 So, you know, for our audience listening, what do they need to know about that?
00:28:58.000 Why is that a thing?
00:28:59.000 And what can they do to help?
00:29:01.000 Well, if you hate Christians, if you hate the gospel, what better time to make a statement like that than on the day Christians are celebrating the birth of Christ?
00:29:11.000 So Christians have been targeted in recent years in Democratic Republic of the Congo, in Bangladesh, in Nigeria, in Egypt.
00:29:20.000 And so we want Christians here in America, as you gather around the table, as you are with your family, as you're with your loved ones, we hope that you'll remember to pray for Christians who live in hostile areas and restricted nations.
00:29:32.000 They are at more risk around the Christmas season, more risk around Christian holy days.
00:29:39.000 And so as we gather together in safety, let's pray for the members of our spiritual family who don't have that safety and just pray that God will protect them during this Christmas season.
00:29:50.000 Yeah, and we have a URL here as well that I want to make sure we put up.
00:29:57.000 And it's vom.org slash Charlie, VOM.org slash Charlie.
00:30:05.000 So if you want to be a voice for religious freedom, if you want to stand with your brothers and sisters in Christ around the globe that are facing persecution and in some cases, genocide, please, please, please, this Christmas season, when they need you the most, consider being a part of what Voice of the Martyrs is doing.
00:30:23.000 We love this organization.
00:30:24.000 We love what they're doing.
00:30:26.000 And Todd, I just, you know, really, really appreciate you highlighting these areas of the world where we need to be praying.
00:30:33.000 We should be praying for the persecuted church.
00:30:35.000 We should be doing what we can to contribute financially, especially right now.
00:30:40.000 And, you know, final words to you, Todd.
00:30:44.000 Well, when you come to that website, we'd love to send you a free book that has stories of persecuted Christians.
00:30:50.000 And this is a way to be inspired all year long as you read the stories of people who would rather go to prison or rather be beaten or rather be killed than deny their faith in Christ.
00:31:02.000 I think there's great lessons and great inspiration for all of us who are Christians in these stories.
00:31:07.000 That is vom.org slash Charlie to get involved, help out.
00:31:12.000 Thank you so much, Todd.
00:31:13.000 God bless you.
00:31:14.000 Thank you.
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00:32:11.000 What is the, I mean, so we're talking about persecution all over sort of the developing world, Asia, Central Asia, Africa, the Middle East, certainly.
00:32:23.000 What?
00:32:23.000 What's the state of Christendom in Europe, in the UK?
00:32:27.000 Well, I guess it's post-Christendom, and you could say maybe the story of Europe in the 20th century, maybe even the 19th century, is how to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again after the fall of Christendom, after the fall of the Holy Roman Empire.
00:32:43.000 And you could think of even the European Union as an attempt to come up with some sort of secular sequel to Christendom, like a way of trying to, you know, bind Europe together into a sort of single collective entity.
00:32:55.000 But I remember back in 2004-05, when they were trying to push through a constitution on the EU, there was an attempt made to make reference to just the Christian and Jewish inheritance of Europe as well as the Hellenic and Enlightenment ones.
00:33:09.000 And there was a huge political battle over it.
00:33:10.000 And in the end, they said, nope, we're not making any mention of it at all.
00:33:14.000 So that's the sort of broad context across Europe, you might say.
00:33:18.000 In Britain itself, you know, there's evidence, I think some evidence that there's been a quiet revival over the last five years, big spikes in Bible buying, big spikes in commitment to God, at least some kind of spirituality.
00:33:33.000 So there are some interesting signs.
00:33:35.000 But broadly speaking, the institutional church, the Church of England, has chronically failed Christians in Britain in England for many, many years now on all of the really sort of hot-button political issues.
00:33:50.000 It's taken aside.
00:33:52.000 Now, that's not something that the church should really be doing.
00:33:56.000 It certainly shouldn't be doing it as aggressively as it has been doing it.
00:34:01.000 I was saying to somebody the other day that actually, you know, the bishops in the House of Lords are voting more often against the Conservative government than the Labour Party.
00:34:09.000 My friend Ed West calls Britain, he says, we're the world's only left-wing theocracy.
00:34:16.000 Oh, geez.
00:34:18.000 That's a bad recipe.
00:34:19.000 Anyway, so the final segment here, we've only got about two minutes left.
00:34:24.000 You're going to be at Amfest.
00:34:26.000 What does a British man do surrounded by tens of thousands of conservative Americans?
00:34:33.000 Well, actually, you know what?
00:34:34.000 I've had some practice because I was at Charlie's Memorial.
00:34:37.000 I managed to make it over in time from England.
00:34:39.000 And that was, if it's anything like that, I'm really looking forward to Amfest.
00:34:44.000 And Charlie invited me back in August, and I just assumed that it wouldn't happen.
00:34:50.000 But it did.
00:34:51.000 I'm just thrilled to be here.
00:34:52.000 And I remember saying, what is Amphest?
00:34:54.000 And he explained to me what it was.
00:34:55.000 And then I said, well, you want me to speak?
00:34:57.000 What do you want me to say?
00:34:58.000 He said, I know exactly what you're going to say.
00:35:00.000 Don't worry.
00:35:02.000 I'll tell you exactly what to say.
00:35:04.000 I'll write your speech for you.
00:35:05.000 And I never followed up with him.
00:35:06.000 But I'm just thrilled to be here.
00:35:08.000 And I hope I can honor him on stage and honor him with the various debates that I'm privileged to be moderating.
00:35:14.000 So yeah, can't wait.
00:35:15.000 We don't do that kind of thing in England.
00:35:16.000 And yet, yet.
00:35:18.000 Maybe this is something we could bring over.
00:35:20.000 But yeah, the energy, the momentum, the sense of excitement, the vision that's just holding the movement together is just awe-inspiring.
00:35:28.000 And it's just great for us to bring back, as I've said before, bring back some Kirk juice to Britain. 1.00
00:35:34.000 Well, and you're going to have Reform Fest, obviously.
00:35:38.000 That's going to be Brit Fest.
00:35:40.000 And then you're going to have, and your mentee is going to be there.
00:35:43.000 He's going to be finishing up.
00:35:46.000 He's going to be finishing.
00:35:48.000 He's going to be the final speaker on Sunday.
00:35:50.000 And of course, I mean JD Vance.
00:35:52.000 There's a bit of an inside joke.
00:35:53.000 Well, it's not an inside.
00:35:54.000 It's been published, but an unfortunate headline about your relationship with JD Vance, Vice President JD Vance, who's amazing.
00:36:04.000 We're grateful to have him on the Sunday.
00:36:07.000 It'll be a great, great climax to a fantastic event.
00:36:10.000 Yeah, it's truly, truly going to be something.
00:36:12.000 And you'll see the rowdiness and the different ideas and the different factions and facets of the conservative movement.
00:36:19.000 But this is what it's all about, bringing everybody together.
00:36:22.000 And let's have the debates, but let's be unified.
00:36:24.000 And let's kick off our push into 2026 on a high note.
00:36:29.000 And there's no better way to do that than to remember the incredible legacy of Charlie Kirk.
00:36:34.000 And so we're looking forward to it.
00:36:36.000 It's going to be bittersweet, but Charlie would want us to make the most of it.
00:36:40.000 Thank you, Dr. Orr.
00:36:41.000 Great to be with you, bud.