The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Christians Need to Stand Up — Live With Riley Gaines at Dream City Church

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00:00:01.000 My conversation with Riley Gaines from Dream City Church.

00:00:05.000 Great conversation about biology, truth, scripture, men and female sports, and more.

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00:01:42.000 Thank you, everybody.

00:01:43.000 Please take a seat.

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00:01:45.000 Luke, thank you for that wonderful introduction and honor to be here, guys, back at Dream Conference.

00:01:50.000 And we have a real fun night in store with you.

00:01:53.000 What we're going to do tonight is show you what we do every single month here at Dream City Church.

00:01:58.000 I believe the church needs to do more in the public square.

00:02:02.000 The church needs to be more vocal, not more muted.

00:02:04.000 The church needs to stand strong, not just stand alongside and hope that things get better and get engaged in the public square.

00:02:11.000 So here at Dream City Church, thanks to the Barnetts, thanks to the amazing team here, every month we bring top speakers and we talk about the issues you're not supposed to talk about in church.

00:02:23.000 You see, there is a view, and I believe a heresy that is growing in America and in the American church, that the American church should be compartmentalized in what it does.

00:02:32.000 You hear this from some pastors.

00:02:34.000 They'll say, we only do.

00:02:36.000 And that's not true.

00:02:38.000 If you say, we only do it, you're already self-defeating what the church should be doing as the Bible articulates.

00:02:46.000 Oh, we only do the gospel.

00:02:47.000 Okay, so how do you answer the question?

00:02:49.000 As a senior pastor, If you only do the gospel, which means it's translation of, we only do things that are not controversial.

00:02:57.000 How do you answer, senior pastor, when a mom comes to you sobbing, saying, my 11-year-old daughter thinks she's a boy?

00:03:06.000 Do you turn her around and say, we only do the gospel around here?

00:03:09.000 Sorry.

00:03:10.000 Do you say, well, you should get drugs, because that's what the...

00:03:15.000 Doctors say, right?

00:03:17.000 Get yourself chemically castrated.

00:03:18.000 Now at some point you as a senior pastor have to declare and speak truth to your congregation.

00:03:23.000 And you can avoid that by saying we only do the non-controversial things.

00:03:30.000 What happens when the people that you are leading bring you issues that you've been avoiding?

00:03:36.000 How do you answer that?

00:03:38.000 You say, oh well, you know, of course you do the obligatory things.

00:03:41.000 We're going to pray for her.

00:03:43.000 We're going to counsel her.

00:03:44.000 But when the rubber hits the road and they see that their senior pastor is not giving them guidance, they'll go find a secular institution.

00:03:52.000 And we wonder why the church is not having the attendance numbers that it should more broadly.

00:03:57.000 It's because during those moments of truth...

00:04:00.000 Parents and people in crisis are begging their pastors to give them moral guidance that is biblical in nature but not be endorsed by the spirit of the times.

00:04:11.000 And instead, far too often pastors are afraid that they might be canceled on social media for saying something that might be politically incorrect.

00:04:18.000 What only matters is if you are biblically correct.

00:04:21.000 Who cares if you are politically correct?

00:04:23.000 And so what we do here at Freedom Night, it's been this amazing partnership.

00:04:28.000 We'll have the conversations you're not supposed to have.

00:04:31.000 And this has really helped transform our state.

00:04:34.000 This is helping shape city councils.

00:04:36.000 It is helping young activists in high schools.

00:04:39.000 It is helping people that are searching for what do I do next when it comes to these issues.

00:04:44.000 And it's everything from apologetics to politics.

00:04:47.000 From government to civics to what does the Bible say about this?

00:04:51.000 Now, to be very clear, if your senior pastor is doing their job, and if you are a senior pastor, of course, politics should not be the only thing you're talking about.

00:04:59.000 But it should be one of the things that you're talking about.

00:05:01.000 It should be because the Bible also talks about it.

00:05:05.000 And if you want to sidestep it because you've been told the church doesn't do it, then you're a new type of pastor that America actually has not had in the past.

00:05:13.000 We were founded by activist pastors.

00:05:15.000 Our country was started by pastors that were willing to speak about freedom and liberty.

00:05:19.000 Billy Graham was explicitly political, saying that communism was Satan's religion.

00:05:25.000 How many pastors would be willing to say that today?

00:05:27.000 But because of the 1980s and 90s and a new form of Christianity started to grow, that's why I love Dream City so much, is because they reject this.

00:05:34.000 They said, all we care about is growth.

00:05:37.000 All we care about is growth.

00:05:38.000 And growth is important.

00:05:40.000 But if you don't have a foundation, then that growth is nothing.

00:05:43.000 It's a Potemkin village.

00:05:44.000 And by the way, what are you growing in?

00:05:48.000 Are you growing in converts?

00:05:50.000 Or are you growing in disciples?

00:05:53.000 Because the Bible says create disciples of all nations, not just converts of all nations.

00:05:57.000 And discipleship requires you to go deep, not just wide.

00:06:02.000 And so what we've tried to do, and it's been this amazing journey together, is unafraidly bring forward these issues.

00:06:09.000 We'll have a guest, and tonight we have a great one, and then we open it up for questions.

00:06:13.000 Where you can ask anything.

00:06:14.000 We go into the tough stuff.

00:06:16.000 And if you want more resources, you can get that.

00:06:18.000 And think about it.

00:06:19.000 This is what makes sense.

00:06:20.000 This is what Christ wanted the church to be.

00:06:22.000 Which is, of course, to...

00:06:24.000 You know, clothe the sick and to feed the hungry and to help the poor and to minister to marriages that need them and to go into prisons for people that need to hear the gospel and all the sorts of amazing things that churches are accustomed to do.

00:06:38.000 However, if we are not salt and light, which means getting outside of your doors and going into the world that needs you, what does salt and light do?

00:06:45.000 What do they have in common?

00:06:46.000 They change the environments that they come in contact with.

00:06:50.000 If your church looks a lot more like a secular institution, And you are not trying to change the secular world.

00:06:56.000 And you're not being salt and light.

00:06:58.000 You're being conformist.

00:07:00.000 And you are basically saying, I just don't want to offend the other people.

00:07:03.000 Now here's the other argument.

00:07:04.000 They'll say, but we must be sensitive to those that are seeking.

00:07:07.000 I can speak from authority on this.

00:07:10.000 Because I go to college campuses where you're not allowed to talk about any of this stuff.

00:07:14.000 And I'm not saying this in a braggadocious way.

00:07:16.000 You guys know my heart.

00:07:17.000 I'm not saying this in a prideful way.

00:07:19.000 Can you show me a Christian organization that can show up on a campus in 48 hours notice and get 2,000 kids there at a drop of a hat to talk about abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, heaven, hell, sin, and the controversial issues of this time?

00:07:33.000 And let me tell you why they come.

00:07:34.000 They come because they know Charlie's going to hold nothing back.

00:07:37.000 They don't come because it's seeker-sensitive time at University of Arizona.

00:07:42.000 The truth is what they want to hear because they've had nothing but watered down lies their entire life.

00:07:49.000 And it cuts straight forward to them.

00:07:51.000 And they want it and they desire it and they thirst for it.

00:07:54.000 And they say more.

00:07:55.000 And yes, a couple people might be momentarily offended.

00:07:58.000 I'm not there to offend them, but if the truth offends them, that's their problem, not mine.

00:08:03.000 And we say all these things in love and grace.

00:08:05.000 But when somebody, for example, shows up on campus and it's a man masquerading as a woman.

00:08:11.000 I'm not going to call the individual a she.

00:08:14.000 I refuse to lie because we as Christians should not lie.

00:08:17.000 I'm not going to use the pronouns of their choosing like some of the Christian ministries say today.

00:08:21.000 Well, you should try to use the pronouns as they see fit.

00:08:25.000 It's a bunch of nonsense.

00:08:25.000 You guys know that?

00:08:26.000 No, you should speak the truth in love.

00:08:28.000 By the way, God did not make a mistake when he designed every single one of us, male or female.

00:08:33.000 That's not a mistake upon your design.

00:08:37.000 And so...

00:08:38.000 What I'm getting at is that I think this overemphasis on seeker sensitivity has led us to believe that everyone's going to march out of your church if you dare engage on these topics.

00:08:49.000 Now, as a sub-point...

00:08:51.000 If they all march out of your church and you're speaking truth, blessed are you who stands for truth, even though the world might not want to stand alongside of you.

00:08:58.000 So that's not a premise I even agree with.

00:09:00.000 However, it's even easier than that.

00:09:02.000 The churches that are growing like crazy, and look at this crowd here tonight.

00:09:05.000 The churches that are having parking problems like Pastor Juergen are the ones that are willing to contest for righteousness and the ones that are willing to say male and female, that abortion is murder, and willing to say that we should have a border, and willing to say that...

00:09:18.000 Actually, I guess I could say that today.

00:09:20.000 I'm willing to say that no Christian should ever vote for the American Democrat Party.

00:09:23.000 Sorry I had to say that.

00:09:24.000 But anyway.

00:09:26.000 And by the way, if that bothers you, then you've got to come up to the mic later and tell me why a Christian should vote for the party that wants post-abortion murder, transgenderism, chemical castration, kidnapping of our kids, the abolition of the American family, the destruction of the American education system, all the while saying that they're for tolerance, diversity, and peace.

00:09:43.000 Those are not Christian values.

00:09:44.000 They're antithetical to Christian values.

00:09:46.000 Anyway.

00:09:47.000 The point being is we have to rethink what the church actually is.

00:09:52.000 The church is not a place to come and feel good about yourself.

00:09:59.000 That can happen along the way.

00:10:01.000 This is where I got in this debate recently with a pastor.

00:10:03.000 He said, but Charlie, what you're talking about, it's really against this idea of affirming people that come to church.

00:10:08.000 Of course it is.

00:10:11.000 What about Christianity is about affirmation?

00:10:14.000 It's about realizing that we are nothing and we need the cross.

00:10:18.000 That we are sinners and we need Jesus.

00:10:20.000 It's not about affirming where you are.

00:10:22.000 It's about realizing that we can't possibly live up to God's perfect standards that he has for our life.

00:10:28.000 It's not about being affirmed and telling how great you are.

00:10:31.000 It's about going through metaphorical spiritual surgery and going through the difficult times for a pastor to point out, no, you're not doing this right, this right, this right, this right.

00:10:39.000 By the way, there's a God who loves you.

00:10:40.000 He sent his son on a rescue mission.

00:10:42.000 Let's make sure you give your life to Christ and we live like Christ in all that we possibly can.

00:10:46.000 That's what the church used to be and what it should be because everyone says, and I'll close with this, then we'll invite Riley on here.

00:10:51.000 The number one question I get from people is, Charlie, when are we going to see revival, revival, revival, revival?

00:10:56.000 I see little pockets of it, but there's only...

00:10:58.000 What everyone is missing is the necessary but tough cough syrup that you need to take to get to revival.

00:11:03.000 There's only one thing that can lead to revival, and the scriptures tell us.

00:11:06.000 You cannot get to revival if you don't have repentance.

00:11:09.000 And repentance requires to believe that there's a God who doesn't just love you, but he judges you as well.

00:11:15.000 And there's a way he wants you to live.

00:11:17.000 And then you say, oh my goodness, it says in 2 Chronicles, those people that turn their face to me.

00:11:22.000 And that means that you must understand that I am not God.

00:11:25.000 He designed us to live a certain way.

00:11:27.000 We're falling short of His wishes and our commands.

00:11:30.000 And out of repentance, then you get revival.

00:11:32.000 You see, we want all the sweet stuff without any of the hard stuff.

00:11:35.000 We want millions of people to give their life to Christ saying, I'm saved.

00:11:39.000 And then you ask them, what are you saved from?

00:11:41.000 How can you possibly tell them to give their life to Christ if they don't know about sin?

00:11:46.000 Why do you need a savior if you don't talk about sin?

00:11:48.000 You don't.

00:11:49.000 Jesus is just like Buddha or he's just like, you know, eat, pray, love or any of the other kind of Eastern meditative things that they're talking about in the modern day.

00:11:56.000 No, it's not that Jesus just had good ideas or he was a philosopher worthy of studying.

00:12:01.000 It's that he saves you from your wretched, depraved self so that you can live forever.

00:12:06.000 And you only know that if you talk about the nature of man.

00:12:10.000 So with that, we're going to get into all that tonight.

00:12:14.000 And I just want to thank Dream City for allowing us to have this.

00:12:17.000 This has been four years in May that we've been doing this.

00:12:21.000 It's been well over, I think, 40 of them that we've done, right?

00:12:24.000 Joe, 35 to 40. They have been seen over a billion times on social media.

00:12:29.000 And here's the call to action.

00:12:31.000 Your church should be doing this once a month.

00:12:34.000 You can call it Freedom Night.

00:12:35.000 You can call it Liberty Night.

00:12:36.000 I don't care what you call it.

00:12:37.000 But once a month, you should be having the type of conversations that push the boundaries of what a church normally in the American context should do through a biblical lens where people can ask questions Socratically the same way that Christ our Lord did.

00:12:53.000 Say, come on up here and tell us what you believe.

00:12:56.000 And we're going to talk about it biblically.

00:12:57.000 I can tell you, we started with a small little group at Freedom Night, and now we have standing room only.

00:13:02.000 And tonight we have an amazing guest that embodies, I think it's one of the first times we're inviting somebody back to Freedom Night, who embodies a kind of courageous spirit.

00:13:11.000 She was an NCAA championship athlete.

00:13:15.000 She did not do any TV interviews.

00:13:16.000 She wasn't seeking fame.

00:13:18.000 She wanted to be the best of her craft.

00:13:20.000 And because the church was largely silent and we punted on the issue, a biological man masquerading as a woman with camouflage on all of a sudden came in and stole a national championship from her.

00:13:34.000 The NCAA was cowardly.

00:13:37.000 Pastors in local area wouldn't touch it.

00:13:39.000 And she decided to have this singular focus issue saying, no, men should not be in female stores, period.

00:13:45.000 And she has done more advocacy on this topic than any other person.

00:13:50.000 And it really goes to show that God can use anybody for a greater purpose.

00:13:54.000 You focus on one thing that is rooted in Scripture, one thing God's designed.

00:13:59.000 We are not going to compromise on the singular thing.

00:14:01.000 Understand, five years ago, people were afraid to even talk about the trans thing.

00:14:05.000 They were like, oh my goodness, it's a new civil right.

00:14:08.000 And slowly but surely, the truth teller started to demonstrate the demonic, confused nature of the trans movement.

00:14:16.000 Of how it's corrupting our children.

00:14:18.000 How it is making sure that they'll never have, you know, livelihoods or futures.

00:14:22.000 How it's eliminating female sports.

00:14:24.000 And we crawled out of it and Riley traveled the country and speaking into tons of Turning Point USA events.

00:14:30.000 And it wasn't necessarily a straight line.

00:14:33.000 A lot of people had to, had their eyes open.

00:14:35.000 Do you know that biological men have stolen 900 awards and state championships that we know of from women in just the last couple of years?

00:14:43.000 900. They'll tell you that it doesn't happen.

00:14:46.000 900 times it has happened.

00:14:48.000 And here is the coolest kind of crescendo and this culmination of it all.

00:14:52.000 President Donald Trump ran on this issue and won on this issue.

00:14:56.000 And then a couple weeks ago, he signed an executive order saying that only men in men's sports and women in women's sports.

00:15:04.000 And it's because of our next guest.

00:15:06.000 Please join me in welcoming Riley Gaines, everybody. everybody.

00:15:26.000 Riley, welcome back.

00:15:27.000 Man, I am thrilled to be back.

00:15:30.000 I really am.

00:15:31.000 What a revitalizing experience.

00:15:34.000 And I don't use that word lightly.

00:15:38.000 Maybe the intention is for us to inspire you all, but really it is this that inspires me.

00:15:43.000 So Riley, walk us through what happened at the White House a couple weeks ago, the significance of this, the work that went into it, and just the incredible accomplishment.

00:15:53.000 Yeah, it was...

00:15:55.000 A pretty amazing experience, of course.

00:15:58.000 Following that, I just feel totally vindicated.

00:16:01.000 The past three years for me personally, and I recognize there are women people who have fought much longer than I have, but since that national championships in 2022 where I really took that first initial leap of faith and decided to speak out, these past three years under the previous administration, we as female athletes, we as women, again as people, Americans, We were stonewalled.

00:16:25.000 We were ignored.

00:16:27.000 Actually, worse than that, not only did we not have a seat at the table as women, but we were reprimanded if we even dared to oppose the agenda that they were pushing.

00:16:37.000 So to now finally see movement, to see a president with the moral clarity and the swiftness and the decisive action, taking time out of his day.

00:16:48.000 I can't believe it.

00:16:49.000 A president has to take time out of his day.

00:16:52.000 To issue an executive order declaring no men in women's sports.

00:16:56.000 But it was amazing, especially to see the visual of all of those little girls.

00:17:01.000 I'm sure several of you saw at the clips or maybe the picture.

00:17:04.000 I mean, these are five, six-year-old girls who are surrounded by President Trump, wearing their uniforms, wearing their big bows and their hair that they wear on the soccer field all around him.

00:17:15.000 And I'll tell you...

00:17:16.000 Or I'll tell you all, I guess, a quick Trump story.

00:17:19.000 We had a briefing before he signed this executive order.

00:17:22.000 And of course, Secret Service told him, you know, President, when you sign this, make sure you don't call anyone up with you.

00:17:28.000 It's a security breach.

00:17:29.000 And he looks at them and he says, oh, shut up.

00:17:31.000 I'm going to do what I want.

00:17:33.000 And when he signed it, but I think the visual, again, of having all of those little girls there with these joyous, beaming smiles on their faces, I think that is one of the most The battle between good and evil seems to be escalating.

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00:19:00.000 So in addition to that, Riley, you touched on this.

00:19:04.000 Why does a president even need to do this?

00:19:07.000 This has become a controversial issue for no good reason whatsoever, but it stems out of the trans issue.

00:19:15.000 But let's kind of take a step back and further reinforce this.

00:19:18.000 Not only does Trump have to take time to sign this, he now needs to use precious resources of his Solicitor General and the Department of Justice to fight this.

00:19:28.000 So in a lesser reported story that happened last week, Trump hosted all of the governors of the country that would come, and they all came to the White House.

00:19:37.000 They were having a dialogue, and President Trump was saying, okay, as you know, we signed the no men and women sports executive order.

00:19:45.000 And he's like, oh, is the governor of Maine here?

00:19:49.000 Because the governor, see, Trump is very smart.

00:19:51.000 He watches the news.

00:19:52.000 You might have known that right after Trump signed the executive order, Maine decided to defy it and ignore it.

00:19:59.000 And a biological man won, I think, a pole vaulting competition, state championship, robbing a woman.

00:20:07.000 Now, this is where people say, well, Charlie, you have to have compassion.

00:20:11.000 Look, I have love for all people.

00:20:13.000 However, the action of cheating is not something I have compassion for.

00:20:18.000 This self-indulgent narcissist would have placed 11th in the men's division.

00:20:28.000 But wins nearly a state record in the female division and wins a title.

00:20:32.000 And all these other girls are second, third, or fourth and are displaced because of it.

00:20:36.000 The governor of Maine says this is trans progress.

00:20:38.000 This is wonderful.

00:20:40.000 And then Donald Trump goes back and forth.

00:20:45.000 And basically the governor of Maine then says, we'll see you in court.

00:20:49.000 Taunting the president.

00:20:51.000 Everybody, this fight is not over.

00:20:52.000 What Riley has done is we've brought it to the top level of the White House.

00:20:56.000 But you have a governor of a state publicly saying, I'm going to fight you on this to make sure men keep on stealing medals from women.

00:21:05.000 Riley?

00:21:06.000 Yeah, it's amazing to me.

00:21:08.000 He told this governor, he said, look, you will comply with federal law.

00:21:14.000 She says, no, we won't.

00:21:15.000 You know, we do comply with federal law.

00:21:17.000 I thought his answer was perfect.

00:21:18.000 He says, no, you don't.

00:21:19.000 We are the federal law and you're not complying.

00:21:22.000 Therefore, we will withhold federal funding.

00:21:24.000 To which that's when the governor says, look, we'll see you in court.

00:21:27.000 And he says, I look forward to seeing you there.

00:21:28.000 He takes like a deep breath and he continues on and he says, look, enjoy your life after governor because there's not a spot for you in elected politics after this.

00:21:38.000 But let it be known what she is sacrificing to allow men and boys to trample on girls Over $5 billion in federal funding.

00:21:55.000 Maine is a small state.

00:21:56.000 I mean, a very small population.

00:21:57.000 And poor.

00:21:58.000 It's a very poor state.

00:22:00.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:22:01.000 Maybe 1.4, 1.5 million people.

00:22:04.000 They cannot survive without federal funding.

00:22:07.000 But this Maine governor is willing to risk it all.

00:22:09.000 Again, to ensure that boys can trample on girls.

00:22:13.000 It has many people scratching their heads, right?

00:22:16.000 We're asking ourselves the question of why.

00:22:18.000 I was so surprised.

00:22:19.000 I really was after November 5th.

00:22:21.000 I truly believe that Democrats, whether it was, you know, in terms of elected representation at all levels, or certainly the media and how they portray this issue, I really believed that they were slowly going to start to recant, that they were going to distance themselves from their voting records.

00:22:39.000 And that is not at all what they have done.

00:22:41.000 They have doubled down on this issue.

00:22:44.000 And you mentioned this issue is a controversial issue.

00:22:47.000 It's really not.

00:22:48.000 It's not amongst the people.

00:22:50.000 It's a unifying issue that was made very clear on November 5th.

00:22:54.000 So while I believe people turned out to the polls, of course, to embrace Donald Trump, of course, to embrace his cabinet picks, to embrace the America First agenda, I believe more so.

00:23:06.000 That people turned out to the bulls to reject absurdity.

00:23:09.000 And that's what the Democratic Party has become entirely and thoroughly from top to bottom.

00:23:14.000 Whether it is men and women's sports, whether it is putting tampons in boys' bathrooms, whether it is referring to Latino individuals as Latinx, they've lost the ability to communicate with your everyday...

00:23:28.000 Common sense American who intuitively knows that men and women are different.

00:23:33.000 They're so out of touch with reality.

00:23:34.000 And there's another one.

00:23:35.000 So as you know, I got this from Matt Walsh, but I go on campuses and ask a lot of questions and I ask, what is a woman?

00:23:42.000 And, you know, it goes viral.

00:23:43.000 And so now they have an answer.

00:23:45.000 This is the latest one.

00:23:47.000 The governor of Wisconsin, by the way, this is what happens if a church is silent.

00:23:51.000 You're seeing a compare and contrast.

00:23:53.000 If the church is active, we get righteousness, we get Donald Trump.

00:23:57.000 Church is silent, you get Wisconsin, you get Maine.

00:24:01.000 By the way, Maine is also one of the least churched states in the country.

00:24:06.000 Top five.

00:24:07.000 So it's Oregon, Vermont, Maine.

00:24:10.000 So you can have a direct correlation, a one-to-one of the least churched and the craziest ideas.

00:24:16.000 Of course, obviously.

00:24:18.000 Because where are people going to get meaning?

00:24:21.000 They will get it out of politics.

00:24:22.000 They'll get it out of secular humanism.

00:24:23.000 They'll get it out of materialism.

00:24:24.000 They'll get it out of post-modernism.

00:24:26.000 Man will do whatever is right in his own eyes, as the scriptures will say.

00:24:30.000 And so there's a direct correlation.

00:24:32.000 So, Wisconsin has now referred to women, they have changed it in their health guidelines, to inseminated persons.

00:24:43.000 Mothers to inseminated persons, yeah.

00:24:45.000 So, for mothers to inseminated persons.

00:24:48.000 You're right, Juergen, yeah.

00:24:49.000 When I first read this, like, immediately I had so many questions.

00:24:54.000 What are they calling fathers, right?

00:24:56.000 Like, inseminators?

00:24:59.000 I don't know.

00:24:59.000 Like, what are they calling grandmothers?

00:25:03.000 Grand inseminated persons.

00:25:05.000 Does Governor Evers not believe that stepmothers are moms?

00:25:09.000 Does he not believe that adopted moms are moms?

00:25:12.000 These are all questions that immediately popped into my head upon reading this.

00:25:16.000 And so I want to tell you, we hear what the left says.

00:25:19.000 Actually, typically they don't have an answer for the question of what is a woman.

00:25:22.000 Charlie can attest.

00:25:23.000 It's always a circular reasoning, right?

00:25:27.000 A woman is a woman.

00:25:28.000 That's what it is.

00:25:29.000 They don't have an answer.

00:25:30.000 But I do want to tell you how to answer this because President Trump just signed a beautifully and thoroughly written executive order declaring there are only two sexes.

00:25:41.000 And how he goes on to define woman in this executive order is adult, human, female.

00:25:48.000 And then it further goes on to define female as someone who does have, should have, or will have the capability to produce ova or eggs.

00:25:58.000 That is by far the most holistic, comprehensive definition of the word woman.

00:26:04.000 So now you know.

00:26:05.000 And so let's go even further into the trans.

00:26:09.000 So this is what's really important, is that the no-men-and-women sports, we are winning on this and we're going to win, and the Democrats are on the wrong side of this issue politically and morally.

00:26:17.000 But it is only a symptom, no different than fever is a symptom of COVID, of a different underlying issue.

00:26:23.000 And that is the trans issue, which of course is a symptom of a spiritual issue.

00:26:26.000 But let's zero in on the trans issue.

00:26:27.000 Because what I find is that some people are comfortable, of course, saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, no men and women's sports.

00:26:33.000 But they get a little shaky if you talk about outlawing the surgical removal of breasts for a 14-year-old.

00:26:40.000 Or the forbidding of chemical castration drugs for a 16-year-old.

00:26:45.000 Understand, that is only one symptom of an entire trans industry that has captured our public school system, our mass media, our medical infrastructure, and major portions of our government.

00:26:59.000 The entire trans movement is at odds with God's design for us in more ways than you might realize.

00:27:06.000 Of course, it's the obvious of the distinction between male and female.

00:27:10.000 But the fundamental promise of transgenderism...

00:27:15.000 Is that the will of man can triumph over nature.

00:27:20.000 That is the unspoken subtlety that Christians need to lean in on.

00:27:25.000 They won't say you were made, but you are a certain way.

00:27:30.000 We believe you are designed.

00:27:31.000 But if you want to change that, you totally can.

00:27:35.000 Through drugs, through surgery.

00:27:37.000 What they're saying is that the will of man is sovereign over all.

00:27:44.000 That is a direct contention against everything that we as Christians believe in.

00:27:49.000 Riley, speak about this.

00:27:51.000 The thing is, I think the other side understands that and is willing to admit that.

00:27:58.000 And that's the problem, right?

00:28:00.000 You're right.

00:28:00.000 It goes back to the first book.

00:28:02.000 Of course, we can speak about this all day long from an objective standpoint, from the standpoint of biological reality.

00:28:08.000 Understanding that men punch 60% harder.

00:28:11.000 Of course, they throw further.

00:28:12.000 They run faster.

00:28:13.000 They can jump higher.

00:28:14.000 We can talk about that all day long.

00:28:16.000 But to your point, more importantly, is what it says in the Bible.

00:28:21.000 It goes back to the first book.

00:28:22.000 He created the male.

00:28:24.000 And female, intentionally and uniquely in His perfect image.

00:28:28.000 And to deny that or to attempt to alter that is to deny God.

00:28:34.000 It's as simple as that.

00:28:35.000 And the other side, I don't even think they have a problem admitting that anymore.

00:28:40.000 They understand and they're totally okay with the thought of themselves being their own God.

00:28:46.000 Which I think is the scary part and definitely like you're referring to.

00:28:49.000 It's the root of the problem.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, and it's...

00:28:52.000 And I think that this is a, of course, it's a spiritual sickness.

00:28:56.000 But to go even a step further, transgenderism and the whole movement is where we lost and we got silent as a church on the homosexuality issue.

00:29:06.000 So, again, this is where I win no friends, but I don't care, right?

00:29:10.000 You're all my friends.

00:29:11.000 So, which is that homosexuality is a behavior.

00:29:17.000 It is not an identity.

00:29:19.000 And we can acknowledge, of course, and we should have long-suffering and patience and compassion for someone that deals with the temptation to engage in that behavior.

00:29:29.000 But we should reject the premise that that is who you are.

00:29:33.000 And it's so important because as soon as you yield the terrain or the ground that your identity is in sin...

00:29:41.000 Well, then you can't even say it's irreversible, it's interlocked, it's who you are, there's nothing I can do.

00:29:48.000 Well, then, of course, you say, they use the same language, the same way that I say that I'm gay or lesbian, I'm a man or I'm a woman, because that's my identity.

00:29:59.000 You see, one pairs with the other.

00:30:02.000 And we must understand that God's design for us is not a mistake, it's intentional, it's for our purpose, and everybody struggles with something.

00:30:10.000 Now, the trans movement would be one thing, and I'm sure all of you guys agree with this, I wouldn't say it was right or biblical or moral if a grown dude showed up wearing a dress.

00:30:21.000 I would kind of look at him weird, but I would say, hey, do you need Jesus?

00:30:24.000 You probably do.

00:30:25.000 Like, that would be about it, right?

00:30:27.000 That has been around for everybody's life.

00:30:30.000 Right, Pastor Tommy?

00:30:31.000 I mean, for as long as you guys have been around, there's been kind of the one-off guy that's a guy that wore a dress.

00:30:37.000 That's not the issue here.

00:30:39.000 What of course is the issue is that, well, it's three things.

00:30:43.000 Number one, they want to come to our kids and they get into our curriculum.

00:30:45.000 That's big.

00:30:46.000 But it's even more than that.

00:30:48.000 It's by force and threatening and extortion, you must call him a woman.

00:30:54.000 So then he bothers you.

00:30:55.000 So you're watching the church service, then he'll come up, hey, you know I'm a woman, right?

00:30:59.000 You must call me a woman.

00:31:00.000 I thought we were minding our own business.

00:31:01.000 It's not live and let live.

00:31:04.000 The trans people say live and let us rule and rule over you.

00:31:08.000 How have you been treated by the trans jihadists, Riley?

00:31:13.000 Oh, gosh.

00:31:14.000 We could spend the rest of our allotted time talking about this.

00:31:19.000 I will say it's remarkable the shift that we have seen, again, when you compare now to three years ago.

00:31:25.000 And that's across every realm of society, right?

00:31:29.000 Even on...

00:31:31.000 You know, watching the football field, you've got people like Nick Bosa out there doing the little Trump dance.

00:31:37.000 That couldn't have happened three years ago.

00:31:39.000 He was fined over $11,000 for wearing a MAGA hat.

00:31:42.000 They told him, they asked him, you know, do you regret this?

00:31:44.000 He said, no, I would do it again.

00:31:45.000 The next day he gets out there and does that little dance.

00:31:47.000 And while that dance might seem silly, it might seem like it's, you know, just a silly little movement celebration.

00:31:54.000 No, that dance represents...

00:31:56.000 A whole lot.

00:31:56.000 It represents free speech.

00:31:58.000 It represents how cancel culture is losing its grip.

00:32:01.000 It represents patriotism that I believe people have been desperate for.

00:32:04.000 But to answer your question, all that to attest to the shift that we have seen, and certainly since November 5th, and even more so since January 20th, I compare that to three years ago.

00:32:14.000 Let me just tell you actually what my university did to me.

00:32:17.000 Take you back to 2021, 2022. I will never forget.

00:32:21.000 When we learned of who Will Thomas was, when we learned he was going to be competing in the pool with us, when we learned he was going to be sharing a locker room with us, my whole team opposed this, right?

00:32:31.000 My team of 40 girls, none of us thought this was fair or safe or righteous or moral or just by any means.

00:32:38.000 But our university, they sat us down in a room.

00:32:41.000 We had to do restorative justice circles.

00:32:43.000 We had to go to verbatim.

00:32:46.000 These educational meetings where we weren't allowed to leave until verbatim they felt like we had been properly re-educated.

00:32:53.000 We were told, you're going to lose all of your friends if you speak out about this.

00:32:57.000 You know, lifelong friends, friends you've had for forever, they're not going to want to talk to you anymore.

00:33:01.000 They said, Riley, you know, your plan is dental school after college?

00:33:06.000 Well, you'll never get in.

00:33:08.000 No dental school will ever even look at your application if you speak up about this because they're going to see that you're a transphobe.

00:33:13.000 And if you want a job after college?

00:33:15.000 Forget it.

00:33:16.000 It's standard practice for an employer to look up their candidates for their job, and they will never hire you.

00:33:23.000 You know, Riley, you signed that scholarship, and you did it willingly, and when you did, you gave away your rights to speak in your own personal capacity.

00:33:31.000 Remember who you represent, whose name is across your chest and across your cap, because it's not yours.

00:33:35.000 It's ours, and understand, we have already taken your stance for you.

00:33:40.000 I will never forget when they sat us down as a team.

00:33:44.000 They brought in an outside professional, whatever that means.

00:33:48.000 I don't know what qualifications you need for this job.

00:33:52.000 But she sat us down and she said, what it sounds like you're advocating for is segregation.

00:33:56.000 And do you remember how America treated African Americans?

00:34:00.000 Is that the side of history you want to be on?

00:34:02.000 You know who else advocated for segregation?

00:34:05.000 The KKK. That is who you are linking yourself to if you oppose undressing next to a man.

00:34:11.000 They told us...

00:34:13.000 Point blank outright that we would be equivalent to murderers because we would have blood on our hands.

00:34:18.000 And they would follow it with, and you don't want that.

00:34:21.000 You don't want to be a murderer, do you?

00:34:23.000 No, so I suggest you be kind.

00:34:25.000 And I suggest you be inclusive.

00:34:27.000 And believe it or not, that is effective.

00:34:30.000 That works.

00:34:32.000 Telling girls they're going to be racist murderers if they defend themselves or, God forbid, they're people like my younger sister.

00:34:41.000 It's emotional blackmail.

00:34:43.000 But when you're talking to 18, 19, 20-year-old girls, they knew what they were doing.

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00:35:48.000 But to speak more specifically to the trans activists, it was actually at a turning point event at San Francisco State University, where I went there to share.

00:36:01.000 Again, nothing even really opinionated.

00:36:03.000 It was, at that point, I mean, I pretty much only spoke to my lived experience.

00:36:08.000 And it was a classroom setting, so, you know, a podium at the front, seats out in the audience, like a whiteboard behind me.

00:36:14.000 And upon delivering my message, a group of protesters rush in.

00:36:18.000 They turn off the lights, hundreds of them.

00:36:20.000 They turn off the lights to the room, so it's pitch black.

00:36:22.000 And they ambush me.

00:36:24.000 Like, I'm fully accosted.

00:36:25.000 I'm being pushed.

00:36:26.000 I'm being shoved.

00:36:27.000 I'm being, like, punched in the face by these men.

00:36:29.000 Wearing dresses, which, fortunately for me, their punches don't hurt that bad.

00:36:36.000 Nonetheless, these protesters ended up barricading me in a room and holding me for ransom for almost five hours, demanding that if I wanted to make it back home to see my family safely again, I had to pay them money.

00:36:54.000 You might be wondering, where were the police?

00:36:56.000 We were in San Francisco, so the police were being held for ransom with me.

00:37:02.000 Our three in this room, right, I'm looking at them.

00:37:05.000 Can't you do something?

00:37:07.000 Isn't it actually your job to do something?

00:37:09.000 To which they outright said no.

00:37:13.000 No, we can't do anything.

00:37:14.000 We're not allowed to do anything because we're not allowed to be seen as anything other than an ally to that community or else we'll lose our jobs.

00:37:21.000 Again, the same community.

00:37:23.000 Who's on the other side of the door calling these officers racist pigs for protecting a white girl like me?

00:37:29.000 Anyways, it's about midnight at this point, the middle of the night, and the dean of students shows up and starts negotiating with the students how much I owe each of them to be able to leave, which the price they agreed upon was $10 each, which makes me mad because I think I'm worth more than $10.

00:37:50.000 Eventually, we were able to get out of that room, but not because the protesters dispersed or were letting up, decided to go home.

00:37:57.000 No, about, I mean, however many officers had to form a diamond around me, we pushed out.

00:38:02.000 But the most remarkable part about this story is what happened the next day, when the vice president of student affairs at the university sent out a university-wide email.

00:38:12.000 So to all faculty, all staff, the entire student body.

00:38:16.000 And in this email, she said, we are so proud.

00:38:19.000 Of our brave students for handling Riley Gaines in the manner that they did.

00:38:23.000 We know how deeply traumatic her presence is on this campus, and so here are some counseling resources for you all.

00:38:30.000 You know, take the day off of school.

00:38:32.000 Just know that we see you, we love you, we hear you, and we stand with you.

00:38:39.000 No mention of, of course, the condemnation.

00:38:46.000 No mention of the value in upholding free speech.

00:38:50.000 No, of course not.

00:38:51.000 I could tell story after story after story of being spit on, of people throwing glass bottles at me, pouring drinks on me for hours.

00:39:00.000 But again, that shift that we've seen, and to be very clear, from the beginning, the support has been tenfold compared to the negative.

00:39:09.000 But you compare three years ago to now, a lot of the support at the beginning was in privacy.

00:39:13.000 Or in secrecy, or in direct messages, or done through winks or whispers.

00:39:18.000 That has totally shifted now.

00:39:20.000 People are so much more bold in saying men cannot become women.

00:39:26.000 So, last thing I want to talk about, then I want to do some questions and open mic.

00:39:31.000 Riley, there's a lot of ministry leaders, a lot of pastors here in the audience.

00:39:36.000 How should they respond when they encounter Let's just keep it under 18, okay?

00:39:44.000 Someone that says that, let's say it's a 15-year-old who says they're a boy or vice versa.

00:39:48.000 You have become kind of an unofficial expert on this.

00:39:51.000 Just kind of baptism by fire.

00:39:53.000 How should a pastor, how should a youth leader, how should a worship leader, how should a mom, how should a volunteer encounter this topic in a Christ-like, grace-filled, truth-centric, biblical way?

00:40:06.000 Well, precisely like Jesus did.

00:40:09.000 I think we have.

00:40:10.000 I did for a long time.

00:40:11.000 I knew Jesus, of course, was filled with grace, and I knew he was filled with truth, but I believed in my mind he was 50% grace and 50% truth.

00:40:20.000 That is not the truth.

00:40:23.000 He is 100% grace and 100% truth at all times.

00:40:29.000 Let's actually compare something like the bishop that we saw.

00:40:34.000 Bishop is a stretch.

00:40:37.000 That service that President Trump got walked into, I believe whoever walked him into that service deserves to lose their job.

00:40:44.000 But did you see the female bishop who was very, very quick to speak of God's grace, like any progressive pastor is?

00:40:53.000 Admittedly, as a Christian, there wasn't a whole lot she said that I disagreed with from the standpoint of understanding and knowing that we have a God who loves all.

00:41:02.000 But what that bishop left out...

00:41:05.000 What our culture tends to leave out, but what the Bible does not leave out is what happens next in the story.

00:41:11.000 I think of stories like 1 John, right?

00:41:13.000 The adulterous woman who is sentenced to be stoned and the soldiers appear.

00:41:16.000 They're ready to throw and Jesus shows up and he says, you know, those without sin cast the first stone.

00:41:21.000 That is his perfect display of grace, 100% grace.

00:41:26.000 But again...

00:41:27.000 What the He Gets Us commercial.

00:41:29.000 Did you watch that during the Super Bowl?

00:41:31.000 What an awful thing that has been.

00:41:33.000 I'll go on about that later.

00:41:34.000 They depict people washing the feet of sinners.

00:41:37.000 These Christ-like figures washing the feet of sinners outside of Planned Parenthoods or abortion clinics.

00:41:41.000 Again, that is biblically accurate.

00:41:45.000 But you know what the commercial left out?

00:41:47.000 You know what the bishop left out?

00:41:48.000 What our culture tends to leave out is what happens next.

00:41:52.000 Because then Jesus says, now go and sin no more.

00:41:55.000 And as Christians, that is how we are called to lead.

00:42:06.000 And admittedly, I struggle with the grace portion.

00:42:09.000 It's hard for me to sometimes put myself in another person's shoes, especially on a topic so simple like this one.

00:42:17.000 So I understand there are certainly ways that I can grow, that I can mature in my relationship with Christ.

00:42:23.000 But that is how we should respond as Christians.

00:42:26.000 Also, I just want to reiterate, you guys, we've got to bring this energy back to your churches.

00:42:31.000 This needs to be a grassroots movement to your churches.

00:42:35.000 And if your church refuses to engage on these things, you need to lovingly challenge the pastor.

00:42:42.000 And if they do not adjust or react, find a new church.

00:42:48.000 Vote with your feet.

00:42:49.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:42:49.000 Let's go here and then we'll go from there.

00:42:51.000 Hi, Riley.

00:42:52.000 My name's Jocelyn.

00:42:53.000 I attend this church.

00:42:54.000 I went to the college here.

00:42:55.000 Huge fan of you and the work that you've done, how you've been standing out, and also just your faith journey has been really inspiring.

00:43:01.000 My question is for you specifically, and Charlie, you both had said that you guys are on the winning side, and we're on the winning side of this trans issue, and that it's looking up.

00:43:11.000 But what are your future plans to continue advocating for women and girls in sports and continue fighting for them?

00:43:18.000 I love this question because it gives me the opportunity to address something that I don't believe we've said.

00:43:24.000 The war on woke, let it be known, the war on woke has not been won, okay?

00:43:30.000 We are certainly making strides.

00:43:32.000 We are making, of course, taking those steps in the right direction.

00:43:35.000 And now we have the ability, finally, to make lasting change.

00:43:39.000 But this is just the tip of the iceberg, what we are uncovering and what we are unraveling.

00:43:47.000 So to answer your question, and it's important that we don't become complacent.

00:43:51.000 That's why the other side, I think of in my adult life, right, 12 of the past 16 years leading up to January 20th has been under Democratic leadership.

00:44:00.000 The other side, they are relentless.

00:44:02.000 They do not roll over.

00:44:03.000 They do not allow themselves to be steamrolled.

00:44:05.000 That's how they have acquired every inch of the public square.

00:44:08.000 And honestly, it's pretty admirable.

00:44:10.000 I'll say it.

00:44:11.000 I think we could take a page from their playbook there.

00:44:15.000 All that to say, there's still more work to be done.

00:44:17.000 Number one, that's kind of at the forefront of my mind right now pertaining to this issue in particular.

00:44:22.000 With President Trump signing this executive order, number one, it does not absolve states from passing legislation.

00:44:28.000 That's crucial.

00:44:29.000 And number two, realizing that this executive order, in four years, God forbid, someone like...

00:44:36.000 AOC or Andy Beshear or whoever else the Democrats put up, I don't think they're stupid enough to put Kamala Harris up again, yet they continue to leave me speechless.

00:44:48.000 Whoever they put up, let's say a Democrat gets into office in four years, they will undo this executive order as quickly as it was put in place.

00:44:55.000 So we need this to pass through both legislative chambers in Congress.

00:44:59.000 It has already passed the House.

00:45:02.000 It has yet to be heard on the Senate floor, so there's definitely a push there.

00:45:06.000 And this NCAA policy that Charlie Baker, NCAA President Charlie Baker put out following President Trump's executive order, this policy, he was very quick to release a statement saying we're going to create a policy that falls in line with the EO. The policy that he put in place is in direct conflict with the executive order.

00:45:27.000 But I believe, truthfully, President Trump has...

00:45:30.000 A bad advisor in this because he's been quick to applaud the NCAA. It needs to be known this NCAA policy would still very much allow that man at San Jose State University who played on the women's volleyball team, it would very much still allow him a spot on that team playing with those girls in the locker room, all the things because he changed his birth certificate.

00:45:50.000 So there's still a ton of work to be done on this issue in particular and of course that goes across all of the cultural chaos that has plagued this nation.

00:45:59.000 Thank you.

00:46:00.000 Thank you.

00:46:01.000 Sorry.

00:46:02.000 And any of you guys can come and ask questions and line up.

00:46:05.000 Yes, sir.

00:46:05.000 All right.

00:46:06.000 I just want to say I'm a senior pastor for a church in southern Utah, and we stand with you without a doubt.

00:46:18.000 I'm supposed to ask you a question, but that's what I came up to tell you.

00:46:22.000 My question is, how has this helped you in your walk with Jesus?

00:46:28.000 Well, it's...

00:46:29.000 It's amazing because I've always been a Christian.

00:46:32.000 We were one of those families that grew up in the Bible Belt where it was church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night.

00:46:38.000 And me and my siblings, we were the youngest one in the congregation by about 80 years.

00:46:44.000 So the amount of little visitor cards that me and my siblings played tic-tac-toe, hangman, anything we possibly could to distract us from our...

00:46:56.000 Our pastor who was heel clicking on the stage is definitely ungodly.

00:47:01.000 All that to say, I had the foundation, but I didn't get to really learn and experience and feel for myself until I was negatively impacted by this movement.

00:47:12.000 I thought I knew the Lord.

00:47:13.000 I really did.

00:47:14.000 I trusted Him.

00:47:15.000 I obeyed Him.

00:47:16.000 I spent time in Scripture.

00:47:17.000 But I had no idea because I hadn't been tested in the way that I was then.

00:47:22.000 And how can you have a testimony?

00:47:24.000 If you've never been tested.

00:47:26.000 And so, I never, again, as Charlie alluded to, like, this is just never where I saw myself.

00:47:38.000 I was in dental school after college.

00:47:39.000 That's what I prepared for.

00:47:40.000 I was set to specialize in endodontics, which is root canals, weirdly enough.

00:47:44.000 I'd scored the highest percentile of the DAT, which is the dental admissions test.

00:47:48.000 I could have gone anywhere in the country that I wanted to go, receiving tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship funds.

00:47:53.000 That's what I was set to do.

00:47:54.000 That's what I prepared for.

00:47:56.000 I was so, so wrong in assuming that God calls those who are already prepared.

00:48:04.000 I didn't take a government course before I stepped into this.

00:48:07.000 I knew nothing about our government.

00:48:09.000 I knew we had three branches.

00:48:10.000 Didn't know what they did.

00:48:12.000 I still don't really know what they do.

00:48:13.000 I don't even think they know what they do, to be honest with you.

00:48:19.000 My public speaking courses in college, I mean, my face would turn the color of a tomato.

00:48:23.000 I was never prepared for this.

00:48:26.000 But I realized pretty quickly that God doesn't call those who are prepared.

00:48:30.000 He prepares those who he calls.

00:48:32.000 And if he brings you to something, he'll certainly bring you through it.

00:48:36.000 Thank you.

00:48:41.000 Hi, my name's John Leggett, proud graduate of Phoenix First Pastors College, class of 2000. Hallelujah.

00:48:48.000 If anyone remembers that school.

00:48:51.000 James chapter 1, verse 2 says, the gentleman from Utah stole my question, actually, but Riley, he asked you, Charlie, I'm going to ask you, because you've been through a lot of tribulation, I know you're working with President Trump right now.

00:49:02.000 His faith has been strengthened, matured, and made more secure.

00:49:06.000 I'd like to know your, how and how much has it improved?

00:49:11.000 I mean, significantly.

00:49:13.000 I mean, I believe after July 13th in Butler, Pennsylvania, he's a changed man.

00:49:16.000 I believe that.

00:49:18.000 And I have a lot of thoughts on that.

00:49:21.000 Let me just say first, I believe it was divine providence that spared Donald Trump from having his brains blown out on national TV on that day.

00:49:29.000 There's no convincing me otherwise.

00:49:31.000 That is the equivalent of like a five-foot putt shot in shooting terms.

00:49:37.000 Donald Trump...

00:49:38.000 Never uses PowerPoints at his MAGA rallies.

00:49:41.000 You guys have been to MAGA rallies and seen them.

00:49:42.000 How often does he go through PowerPoint presentations?

00:49:45.000 And now you can see here this chart over there.

00:49:48.000 Something spoke to him 20 minutes beforehand and he told his team, hey, that chart we were talking about on the plane, let's get it up on the screens.

00:49:56.000 They were lucky that they even have the screens because a lot of the rallies don't even have screens.

00:50:00.000 And they're like, sir, and he was insistent.

00:50:04.000 Like, laying it down.

00:50:06.000 Like, sir, it's too late.

00:50:06.000 No, no, no.

00:50:07.000 I'm not going out there until this chart that Ron Johnson sent me is up there.

00:50:12.000 It's amazing.

00:50:12.000 I want everyone to see it.

00:50:13.000 I want the press to see it.

00:50:15.000 And there was even, sir, you want to do a PowerPoint presentation outdoors in a sunny day on July 13th in Butler, Pennsylvania?

00:50:23.000 Yeah, yeah, just do it.

00:50:24.000 And so then he does it.

00:50:26.000 Now, about 5% of all MAGA rallies ever have had a PowerPoint.

00:50:31.000 Every single time, he'll get to it at the end of the speech.

00:50:34.000 It'll always be towards the end.

00:50:36.000 Okay, here.

00:50:37.000 For whatever reason, he does his opening shtick, and seven minutes in, he's like, by the way, where's that thing I was talking about on the plane?

00:50:44.000 Get that chart up there.

00:50:46.000 Now, if Donald Trump would have not called for that, he gets blown, his head gets blown off.

00:50:53.000 He happened to, within a millisecond of a millimeter, I have to understand, it happened to be the right millisecond with the right millimeter type tilt.

00:51:02.000 That his head tilt and the bullet literally grazed his ear.

00:51:05.000 That's crazy.

00:51:07.000 And for me it was incredible because number one, how few Christians acknowledge that was a miracle was really disappointing.

00:51:13.000 I'll be honest.

00:51:14.000 The church completely failed.

00:51:16.000 Number two, it's exactly, it's so, it confirms the truth of the scriptures.

00:51:22.000 Which is that miracles are not enough just to get people to believe in God.

00:51:27.000 It says that repeatedly.

00:51:28.000 Oh God, send me a miracle.

00:51:29.000 It's like, no, it's not enough.

00:51:31.000 It's not enough.

00:51:32.000 I mean, look at God's chosen people.

00:51:34.000 They saw the Red Sea part, and they saw manna come from heaven, and quail blown off course, and they saw the Nile turn to blood, and they're still like, who's this God, and why are we in the desert, and this Moses guy's awful, and I want to eat meat, and they're the most complaining people in the history of the ancient civilizations, right?

00:51:50.000 And it just, it hit us.

00:51:51.000 My goodness, that it's not enough just to have miracles.

00:51:54.000 You have to have faith, not just show.

00:51:57.000 If God revealed himself to me, I would always believe, and actually, I don't think that's true.

00:52:01.000 Because we saw it.

00:52:02.000 It was the most televised miracle in history.

00:52:04.000 And the church largely was, meh, couldn't care less.

00:52:08.000 So Trump has said God spared his life.

00:52:11.000 He has said that repeatedly.

00:52:12.000 And Riley made a great point earlier.

00:52:15.000 How he's exchanging with the press, how he's dealing with his adversaries, it's a different centeredness with a poise.

00:52:25.000 Of course he still does the Trump stuff that we love and that we admire, right?

00:52:30.000 But there is a Trump 2.0, an anointing, an upgrade that I see on this man that I really believe is the byproduct of divine providence.

00:52:42.000 And President Trump has said this privately and publicly because he's the same person in public that he is in private.

00:52:47.000 There's no hidden agenda, which is that God wanted me to keep on fighting for this country.

00:52:53.000 He believes that he is on a mission from the heavens to save this country.

00:52:58.000 Thank you.

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00:54:18.000 Charlie, my name is Brian Storm and I'm from Conway, Arkansas.

00:54:24.000 I just want to say thank you for standing up for all of us that feel like we don't have a voice.

00:54:30.000 America needs more people just like you.

00:54:33.000 What role do you see for faith and religious values in the public square?

00:54:37.000 And how should people of different beliefs coexist in that society?

00:54:44.000 It's a great question.

00:54:45.000 I'll try to keep it as short as possible.

00:54:47.000 Number one, let me just say this.

00:54:49.000 that there was this urge back in the summer to get really mad at Trump because he was not as pro-life as we were.

00:54:55.000 You guys probably saw that.

00:54:56.000 You probably even know pastors that engaged in that.

00:54:59.000 And I immediately said, wait a second.

00:55:01.000 Don't hold Donald Trump, who we want to become president, to a higher standard than what you hold your pastor to.

00:55:08.000 So if you are allowing an everyday pastor to be silent on abortion, but you want Donald Trump to be super pro-life...

00:55:14.000 He's not running for local pastor.

00:55:16.000 The pastors must be held much more accountable and be much more vocal and much more outspoken on these issues.

00:55:21.000 That's the first thing.

00:55:22.000 Very important.

00:55:24.000 The second thing is this.

00:55:27.000 One of my passion projects is to get the church to wake up out of its slumber.

00:55:32.000 There are three types of churches.

00:55:34.000 There are true churches like Dream City Church and many of you guys that are in the word and teaching the word.

00:55:40.000 There are traitorous churches, ones that are completely long gone, and you know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:55:45.000 They are so off the reservation.

00:55:47.000 And then most churches are in the middle category.

00:55:50.000 They are trembling.

00:55:52.000 They shake like a leaf, if you dare mention talking about politics, because they might lose a board member.

00:55:58.000 We must get the trembling to become true.

00:56:01.000 And if I might add, this is a second and third takeaway item for you guys.

00:56:06.000 It's not enough just that you're going to go bring this to your church.

00:56:09.000 Go have coffee with two pastors in your local area that are trembling and ask them specifically with no wiggle room, are they willing to follow alongside you and do these events or do associated type events?

00:56:22.000 And if not, why?

00:56:23.000 There is no excuse not to speak out on these issues.

00:56:26.000 And pastor-on-pastor dialogue is how this is all going to get solved.

00:56:31.000 It's not going to be Charlie Kirk talking to pastors.

00:56:34.000 It's going to be pastors talking to fellow pastors.

00:56:36.000 Because when I talk to a pastor, they always say, well, you don't know how hard it is.

00:56:39.000 And in some ways, I don't.

00:56:40.000 I don't know what it's like to have to preach five services, get two hours of sleep, then do a funeral, then have to try to save a marriage and drive across town to try to do a budget meeting.

00:56:50.000 That's tough.

00:56:50.000 And people are called to that.

00:56:52.000 I'm called to something different.

00:56:53.000 But if a pastor tells a fellow pastor, like, actually, I do know what that's like.

00:56:57.000 And you should still do it.

00:56:59.000 I think that's important.

00:56:59.000 Final point you make, which is important, how can all faiths coexist?

00:57:03.000 Look, the first and foremost thing, we are Judeo-Christian in nature, and Christian with Judeo roots.

00:57:11.000 Ethical monotheism built the West, but there's a very big problem with the growth of Mohammedism.

00:57:17.000 I don't call it Islam.

00:57:18.000 It's Mohammedism, which is incompatible with a free society.

00:57:22.000 And I think Christians have to get quickly educated on how the Islamic republics, which believe in Mohammedan jihad across the West, are multiplying in great numbers, and they are slowly cutting the throat of a once great continent of Christian Europe.

00:57:38.000 And it is not just that it's secular.

00:57:40.000 It will become the Islamic Republic of Europe.

00:57:43.000 And we better wise up very quickly as a church.

00:57:47.000 And recognize that there is a spiritual conflict that is coming right down the pike.

00:57:52.000 And it is coming from the Middle East.

00:57:54.000 And if we are not biblically and morally and theologically ready for it, we will be the next Europe.

00:58:00.000 So that's the best answer I have to that.

00:58:01.000 Thank you very much.

00:58:04.000 So my question is, I guess first my name.

00:58:13.000 My name is Jim Bateman.

00:58:15.000 I'm from Colorado City, Arizona.

00:58:19.000 So my question is, it seems to me that, I guess I say this because it seems to me that we need to remain very diligent.

00:58:31.000 And so my question to you, Charlie, is do you think that Christianity will always remain on the conservative side?

00:58:45.000 Or could corruption seep in and then eventually start to notice that the enemy has kind of taken over and then there would be a need to switch parties?

00:58:57.000 Yeah, so I don't care if Christianity is on the conservative side.

00:59:00.000 I care that Christianity is on the biblical side, right?

00:59:03.000 And so conservatism, properly understood, is an adherence to the natural law, which the natural law of, we would say it, is Christian principles, right?

00:59:12.000 Honor your mother and father, do not murder, do not steal.

00:59:15.000 You know, honor the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

00:59:17.000 The natural law is unchanging.

00:59:19.000 That's why we're so against transgenderism.

00:59:21.000 It's because it is a front to the natural law.

00:59:24.000 Conservatism, when it no longer is rooted in the natural law and it becomes neoliberalism, you get the conservative of the United Kingdom, where they stand for nothing and they're basically no different than liberals.

00:59:34.000 However, this is very important, is that 1 Peter speaks extensively about this, of false teachings and false prophets and heresies in the church.

00:59:44.000 You can cherry-pick certain parts of the scriptures with no context, no grounding, no overarching narrative, and you can create a social justice political movement, and you get that bishop that you were talking about.

00:59:56.000 Or the He Gets Us commercial.

00:59:57.000 Or the He Gets Us commercial.

00:59:58.000 And now let me, again, I do this every year on the He Gets Us thing, and I gotta, sorry Luke, I gotta do it again.

01:00:03.000 Because they keep on wasting all this money on the He Gets Us thing.

01:00:07.000 And it bothers me because it's so inherently narcissistic.

01:00:11.000 If you understand even the deeper philosophy here, it's so narcissistic.

01:00:16.000 As if, like, I'm so important and I'm the center of everything that I need a God that comes and understands me.

01:00:27.000 That's the core of it, right?

01:00:29.000 That, like, the only way I'm going to pay attention is, like, yo, I'm so important.

01:00:32.000 Like, I don't have time for this.

01:00:34.000 And you're trying to tell me that he cares.

01:00:36.000 Oh, maybe I will actually pay attention.

01:00:39.000 And instead it should be like, you're nothing.

01:00:41.000 You're wretched.

01:00:42.000 You have a destination with eternity that's going to be quite warm.

01:00:49.000 And God loved you enough to send a rescue mission to make sure that doesn't happen.

01:00:54.000 So you better stop thinking about yourself and thinking about the cross.

01:00:56.000 It's not that he gets us, it's he saves us.

01:00:59.000 it's completely different and so it just bothers me because so hyper western narcissism And they're like, well, this is how we reach young people.

01:01:15.000 No, you don't reach...

01:01:16.000 Again, I reject the premise.

01:01:18.000 I actually...

01:01:18.000 I could say I actually know how to reach young people.

01:01:20.000 And these ridiculous consultants to the Green family don't.

01:01:23.000 They just know how to fleece you for 10% of a $500 million ad buy.

01:01:27.000 That makes Christianity look deluded and stupid.

01:01:30.000 Anyway, the point being is this.

01:01:31.000 Is that the...

01:01:33.000 Yes, we...

01:01:33.000 And thank you for mentioning that, Riley.

01:01:35.000 We must stay vigilant and diligent because the enemy...

01:01:38.000 Understand scripture.

01:01:40.000 We know that in Matthew 4 when Jesus was tempted in the desert and the misappropriation of it.

01:01:45.000 Riley, do you have something to comment on this?

01:01:47.000 No, you hit it.

01:01:48.000 Okay, great.

01:01:50.000 Stay vigilant and stay diligent.

01:01:51.000 Yes, we'll do two more questions.

01:01:53.000 Yes.

01:01:54.000 Hi, my name is Cameron Coner.

01:01:55.000 I'm a student at Arizona Christian University.

01:01:59.000 And Riley, thank you for being the role model that women actually need.

01:02:03.000 Thank you.

01:02:05.000 Thank you.

01:02:08.000 My question for you is, how do we change the conversation of feminism and bring it back to what a Christian woman really is, especially for college-age students like me who've grown up being taught that an independent woman is somebody who doesn't need to be led by a man?

01:02:25.000 It's so true.

01:02:27.000 If you look at these people who deem themselves feminists, women like Megan Rapinoe, women like Billie Jean King, I can even recall testifying before Congress once, and I was sat next to the president of the National Women's Law Center.

01:02:44.000 This woman, in her opening testimony, in what she claimed to be in defense of women, said that women should just learn how to lose more gracefully to men.

01:02:58.000 Megan Rapinoe, of course, has been the biggest traitor to her sex, I believe.

01:03:04.000 People like Billie Jean King, who...

01:03:06.000 We have to accredit Title IX, too.

01:03:08.000 She played in the Battle of the Sexes, and she won, and it was this huge feat for women in sports and beyond.

01:03:14.000 She's now openly advocating for men to participate in women's sports, again, undermining everything that she once fought for.

01:03:21.000 So you look at these people who call themselves feminists.

01:03:27.000 Actually, my campus tour last year with Turning Point was labeled reclaiming feminism.

01:03:35.000 That is not someone who fights for women.

01:03:37.000 I was very hesitant to call myself a feminist at first because, again, that's my idea, my preconceived notion, and what society, our culture, has enabled us to believe are that feminists are these people who believe that not only men and women are equal, but they're the same.

01:03:58.000 And I, of course, reject that.

01:04:00.000 We are not the same.

01:04:01.000 We are created equal, of course, again, in his image, but we are not the same.

01:04:05.000 So I believe as women, we need to do everything that we can do.

01:04:09.000 Have the conversations.

01:04:11.000 Insert yourselves in places where normally you wouldn't.

01:04:14.000 And I think this is important because women typically, we're more empathetic and apologetic and emotionally driven.

01:04:21.000 And these are wonderful things.

01:04:23.000 These are what makes women...

01:04:24.000 Wonderful mothers and sisters and wives and friends.

01:04:27.000 They're great things, but they are being used against us to our detriment.

01:04:32.000 That's why we are seeing this war on women.

01:04:34.000 That's why they changed mother in the state statute, of course, in a 1,000-page budget bill, very sneakily.

01:04:41.000 And they didn't change father.

01:04:42.000 That's because they know, as women, we are going to roll over and let them do this.

01:04:46.000 Men would not.

01:04:48.000 Men would not.

01:04:49.000 Could you imagine?

01:04:51.000 Let's use some other phrases.

01:04:52.000 They've called women in medical peer-reviewed journals egg producers.

01:04:57.000 Could you imagine if you went up to a man and called him a sperm producer?

01:05:02.000 He wouldn't take that.

01:05:03.000 He would laugh in your face and say, what did you just call me?

01:05:06.000 But we as women, we sit back and we allow it.

01:05:08.000 We need to start pushing back.

01:05:10.000 I believe that is what feminism, femininity at least.

01:05:16.000 And Turning Point's done a good job of saying rejecting feminism but embracing femininity.

01:05:21.000 And I really like that mantra and that motto.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, I'll just add one thing to that, which is that in a truly, in a properly structured, healthy society, women should not have to rise up, men should pick that fight, and we should go after the creeps that are redefining it.

01:05:38.000 In a properly ordered society, women should not have to get involved in combat.

01:05:45.000 They should not have to get involved in physical combat or in political combat.

01:05:49.000 We are here to treasure women as Christ loved the church.

01:05:52.000 And you protect the things you love from nastiness.

01:05:57.000 So we should be the ones that go in the arena so that the women of America shouldn't have to get all metaphorically bloodied up with this.

01:06:06.000 And that's what always bothered me the most.

01:06:08.000 Well, the last question is, I know that your father, you know...

01:06:13.000 these 900 times that these medals get stolen.

01:06:15.000 I mean, guys, if my daughter had to go like undress around a guy, I'm going to start a prison ministry and you guys can try to bail me out.

01:06:25.000 It is so true.

01:06:37.000 My dad, he, um...

01:06:39.000 I come from a family of athletes.

01:06:41.000 So my dad, he is an SEC Hall of Famer.

01:06:43.000 He played football.

01:06:44.000 He actually played with the Eagles.

01:06:46.000 So we are super excited they accepted President Trump.

01:06:49.000 Or at least he extended the invitation to the Eagles to the White House today.

01:06:54.000 So my dad is a very big man.

01:06:57.000 Very strong man.

01:06:58.000 At least he used to be.

01:06:59.000 Now he's kind of just fat.

01:07:00.000 But when I called my dad, I'll never forget this.

01:07:07.000 At that national championships at Georgia Tech, we knew this man would be in the pool with us, competing with us.

01:07:12.000 We found that out maybe a few weeks before.

01:07:15.000 But we did not know he was going to be in the locker room with us until we were forcibly exposed and exploited and simultaneously exposed to this male.

01:07:27.000 And I remember leaving that locker room immediately and of course calling my dad and I said, Dad, he's in our locker room.

01:07:33.000 And my dad said, Riley.

01:07:36.000 You're going to come.

01:07:36.000 Of course, they don't let parents or spectators from the stands come down onto the pool deck.

01:07:42.000 It's reserved for only the athletes and coaches and officials.

01:07:45.000 He said, Riley, I have a plan.

01:07:47.000 There's a side door over here.

01:07:48.000 I'm going to say I'm your university's bus driver.

01:07:51.000 Let me down there now and I'll handle this myself.

01:07:57.000 And we laugh.

01:07:59.000 But that's how things should be handled against creeps and perverts and people that go after our girls.

01:08:06.000 Okay, last question.

01:08:09.000 I understand going after creeps and perverts, but all over social media, I continually see mothers who are trying to redefine the sex of their babies.

01:08:18.000 Saying, my little boy is a girl.

01:08:20.000 They dress them like girls.

01:08:21.000 They raise them to believe they're little girls.

01:08:24.000 I know that there's legislation in the school systems against teachers speaking out at children against their true sex.

01:08:31.000 But what about parents with their own children?

01:08:33.000 How do we protect them from their own parents?

01:08:36.000 Yeah, I mean, that is the most difficult of all questions.

01:08:41.000 So thank you for that.

01:08:42.000 Thank you.

01:08:44.000 And, I mean, let me start with the obvious, is that DCFS has been used against Christians for the last 40 years because they say that we're not vaccinating our kids and we're not doing all this stuff.

01:08:53.000 So I'm hardly one to give teeth to DCFS. Because, you know, oh, you're not supervising your kid.

01:08:59.000 There's literally a mom went to jail about five years ago because she let her kid, like, walk down the street to a park unsupervised.

01:09:07.000 Did you guys hear about this story?

01:09:08.000 It's this working mom, and she literally went to jail for two weeks, single mom, because she wasn't helicoptering her kid at the local playground.

01:09:15.000 I mean, I would be gone for like a week, and my parents would be like, you know, did you leave the zip code?

01:09:20.000 And it's like, okay, great.

01:09:22.000 And so that's a very profound question.

01:09:26.000 Is it the role of the state to interfere with parents even if they are doing bad to their kids?

01:09:33.000 If they're abusing their kids, yes, that is the role of the state.

01:09:36.000 Is it abuse to raise a boy as a girl?

01:09:40.000 Yes, it probably is.

01:09:42.000 And so does it reach the level of that?

01:09:44.000 These are very important moral questions that are unfolding in front of us.

01:09:49.000 And I don't know the clear and crisp answer, but I can't think of anything.

01:09:53.000 More disgusting.

01:09:54.000 There are women on TikTok, I'm not kidding, that are giving 18 months old puberty blockers and chemical castration agents.

01:10:02.000 18 months old.

01:10:04.000 So I think at that point, that woman should go to jail and into an insane asylum and a loving Christian family should adopt those kids.

01:10:11.000 And I say that with such great hesitancy knowing that the power of the state has been used against Christian parents for 40 years.

01:10:18.000 Riley, do you have a thought on this?

01:10:20.000 No, I will agree with the sentiment that I see videos all the time on social platforms of these opportunists.

01:10:29.000 I mean, I think that's the best word.

01:10:30.000 These narcissistic parents who, I mean, I can't even put myself in their shoes.

01:10:36.000 Of course, I don't have children yet, but I have parents.

01:10:39.000 I can't even put myself in these people's shoes who are...

01:10:45.000 Selling out their children, but worse than that, I mean, they're irreversibly harming their children to their own benefit.

01:10:52.000 And that's, again, that's what we've seen across the board with the transgender movement.

01:10:57.000 The medicalization side of things, the chemical and surgical castration of children for profit, right?

01:11:05.000 That's what it all boils down to.

01:11:06.000 If they weren't making money on this, they wouldn't do this.

01:11:09.000 Could you imagine walking into a doctor's office and saying, Don't really feel like having a right arm today.

01:11:14.000 Could you cut it off?

01:11:16.000 Your doctor, physician, surgeon would look at you like you're literally insane.

01:11:20.000 But because they can attach a price tag to it, and we saw this.

01:11:23.000 We saw it in my backyard.

01:11:24.000 I live in Nashville, Tennessee.

01:11:26.000 And that video of this Vanderbilt clinician who came out and said, you know, forget abortions.

01:11:33.000 We can only make $200, $250 for every abortion.

01:11:36.000 These are lifelong patients that we're creating.

01:11:39.000 These are cash cows, $70,000 to $100,000 per procedure.

01:11:43.000 And we have them for life.

01:11:46.000 Just knowing all of this is being done for profit, it makes me sick.

01:11:49.000 And so to see these parents who are opportunists, and that's the kindest way you could put it, is disturbing.

01:11:57.000 I think the buried lead of that is that if they weren't able to post on social media that they were doing it, I don't know if they'd be doing it.

01:12:05.000 I think that it's not even that they're getting the bad ideas from social media.

01:12:09.000 It's that they get like a mini-celebrity by, excuse the language, pimping out their toddler for medieval witchcraft practices on their TikTok and Instagram.

01:12:21.000 That's a whole other level of dementedness that we can explore at another date.

01:12:26.000 Everybody, I want to thank you guys for standing strong.

01:12:30.000 Please go back to your communities and bring the Freedom Night in America concept to your town and give it up for Riley Gaines and Luke.

01:12:37.000 Please get on up here.

01:12:38.000 Thank you, guys.

01:12:40.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:12:41.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:12:44.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 09, 2025

Why Christians Need to Stand Up — Live With Riley Gaines at Dream City Church

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