The Charlie Kirk Show - Why D.C. Just Doesn't Care with Sen. Josh Hawley

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00:00:04.000 We talk about Ukraine, the Senate, why the people in D.C. are so focused on what's happening abroad, but not what's happening immediately here, that and more.

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00:00:59.000 We are here with Senator Josh Hawley.

00:01:01.000 Senator, good to see you, man.

00:01:02.000 Thank you for having me.

00:01:03.000 Thanks for taking the time.

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00:01:06.000 And thanks for making the trek out to the desert here.

00:01:08.000 Oh, no, it's a pleasure.

00:01:10.000 I wish we had a senator like Josh Hawley here in Arizona.

00:01:14.000 We have a wacky Senate delegation.

00:01:15.000 You don't have to say anything to your colleagues.

00:01:17.000 I always laugh at the kind of like Senate rules where you don't speak poorly of another colleague.

00:01:23.000 The House doesn't have those rules.

00:01:25.000 No, they do whatever they want.

00:01:25.000 Clearly not.

00:01:27.000 It's just completely savage, right?

00:01:29.000 I remember, where was I?

00:01:31.000 I was either in Maine or somewhere.

00:01:33.000 Not Maine.

00:01:34.000 I was trying to get somebody to say something negative about their Democrat colleague who's just totally wacky.

00:01:38.000 I was like, all right, fine.

00:01:38.000 Like, nope, can't do that.

00:01:39.000 But Senator, great to see you.

00:01:41.000 So much going on in the news.

00:01:43.000 First of all, what's your reaction to first time in American history, Speaker of the House vacated? 0.94

00:01:48.000 Crazy. 0.97

00:01:49.000 Wild, wild, wild. 0.63

00:01:51.000 You know, Charlie, I was never in the House.

00:01:54.000 So the House is like a foreign creature to me.

00:01:56.000 So I'm watching this, like the rest of America.

00:01:58.000 And I'm like, and I've been wrong the whole time.

00:01:59.000 I was telling my staff, I'm like, oh, is this a real thing?

00:02:02.000 Like, that won't happen.

00:02:03.000 Oh, yeah, they depose him.

00:02:04.000 I'm like, oh, well, he'll probably run again.

00:02:06.000 I'm like, clearly, I know nothing.

00:02:06.000 No, he's not running.

00:02:08.000 You know, it's unbelievable.

00:02:09.000 But I just hope that we get somebody, we Republicans, get somebody who is strong, who is going to hold the line.

00:02:16.000 And, you know, listen, I mean, this is just not a time, in my view, to be rolled by the Democrats and to allow them to have the agenda here.

00:02:24.000 And I think we've got to be strong on impeachment.

00:02:26.000 That inquiry's got to move forward.

00:02:27.000 We've got to be strong on Ukraine funding.

00:02:29.000 There needs to be no more of it.

00:02:31.000 And we've got to be strong on doing the oversight of the administration because right now, I mean, they're getting away with crazy stuff because the Senate's doing nothing.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, I mean, that's exactly right.

00:02:40.000 So, I mean, it would be logical if the House actually, I don't know, pulled the fire alarm on the Senate and made you guys wake up.

00:02:47.000 I mean, no offense, you're working hard.

00:02:49.000 Does the Senate do anything except like name post offices?

00:02:53.000 No.

00:02:53.000 Yeah, I mean, like, even take this appropriation stuff, the budget stuff.

00:02:58.000 The House has passed, I guess, its four bills or whatever.

00:03:00.000 The Senate's passed zero, zero budget bills.

00:03:04.000 Nothing.

00:03:04.000 I mean, so you look at what has the Senate done and what oversight is the Senate doing?

00:03:09.000 You know, has I sit on the Judiciary Committee of the Senate.

00:03:11.000 Have we had a single oversight hearing this year?

00:03:14.000 No, no.

00:03:15.000 With Merrick Garland?

00:03:16.000 No.

00:03:16.000 None of these people.

00:03:17.000 They're just getting a free pass.

00:03:18.000 So, I mean, is that how business has always been in the Senate or is it just particularly bad right now?

00:03:23.000 Well, I think it's particularly bad because the Democrats are in total control.

00:03:26.000 And listen, they're not going to do any oversight.

00:03:28.000 They love this.

00:03:28.000 They want to keep this game going.

00:03:30.000 So this is why America needs the House.

00:03:32.000 I mean, that's where we have the majority.

00:03:34.000 We got to put the pedal down.

00:03:36.000 And Charlie, we've only got a year left in this whole Congress.

00:03:39.000 I mean, I think, you know, on the one hand, you think, oh, there's a lot of time.

00:03:42.000 There is not a lot of time.

00:03:43.000 If we're going to get answers on the Biden corruption, we got to do it right now.

00:03:48.000 If we're going to figure out what's going on at the border, we've got to do it now.

00:03:51.000 There isn't the time to waste.

00:03:53.000 Yeah, and you've been one of the few people that actually in these hearings are asking the right questions.

00:03:58.000 So I trust you 100%.

00:04:00.000 You're like my favorite senator with this stuff.

00:04:02.000 I was a little not confused.

00:04:04.000 Why did you vote for the CR?

00:04:05.000 Just help me understand that because I was getting crushed.

00:04:08.000 Cut Ukraine funding.

00:04:08.000 Oh, is that right?

00:04:09.000 Okay, that was the reason.

00:04:10.000 100%.

00:04:11.000 I support that 100%.

00:04:12.000 It was, you know, for me.

00:04:13.000 So it's because it had no Ukraine funding.

00:04:15.000 Exactly.

00:04:16.000 And no Ukraine funding.

00:04:17.000 And actually, because, as I understand it, all the budget numbers.

00:04:22.000 By not funding Ukraine, and I'm not for an additional cent to Ukraine, but actually by not putting any in this bill, it actually cuts some of the funding that I did not vote for, but that's out there already because it doesn't allow it to roll forward.

00:04:34.000 So I'm just like, listen, if I have a chance to get on the record again saying that I'm going to cut Ukraine funding and to, frankly, have all of my Republican colleagues also have to vote for new Ukraine funding, I'm like, I'm here for that.

00:04:46.000 So now that since there's bedlam in the speakership, the money's dried up then for Ukraine, as it is right now.

00:04:51.000 Is that correct?

00:04:52.000 That is correct.

00:04:53.000 So let's talk about Ukraine.

00:04:55.000 So how many of your Senate colleagues see Ukraine the way you do?

00:05:00.000 Like five, six, Senator Mike Lee, maybe Senator Rand Paul.

00:05:02.000 JD Vance, JD Vance, who's been a breath of fresh air, right?

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 Yeah, I'd say that's there may be, I think there's 10 of us maybe, Charlie, maybe 12 who have voted against Ukraine funding, but that's it.

00:05:15.000 So just help me understand some of the inside baseball.

00:05:18.000 What is the philosophy, outside of private conversations, what is the talking point when you have the private Senate lunches, when you talk to the old bulls from the South, right?

00:05:27.000 You know, the 78-year-old senators from Arkansas or whatever, not to name any names.

00:05:31.000 But, you know what I mean?

00:05:32.000 It's like that kind of archetype, right?

00:05:33.000 Where the Senate's kind of a country club. 0.87

00:05:35.000 Like, we have to defeat the Russians as if they haven't stopped their talking points since 1976. 0.59

00:05:40.000 But what is the reason for ⁇ because I'm genuinely curious. 0.85

00:05:44.000 That's still one.

00:05:45.000 We've got to beat the muscle memory for the money. 0.95

00:05:47.000 We've got to beat the Russians. 0.99

00:05:48.000 That's still one. 0.67

00:05:49.000 But then there's a lot of what I call Vietnam talk, Charlie, which is that, well, we have to defend America's reputation.

00:05:57.000 If we don't fund Ukraine, then our enemies around the world will look at us and say, America runs from a fight.

00:06:03.000 And I'm like, but wait a minute.

00:06:05.000 First, you have to ask yourself, is this our fight?

00:06:08.000 I mean, we don't get involved in every conflict everywhere.

00:06:11.000 You've got to ask, is this in our national interest?

00:06:13.000 That's question number one.

00:06:15.000 So all this talk about this is going to hurt the reputation of the United States.

00:06:18.000 I'm like, I mean, what is China seeing?

00:06:21.000 China is looking at us and they're saying, oh, the Americans, they get tied up in everything.

00:06:24.000 They're so tied down in Europe, you know, standing up to China and the Pacific.

00:06:28.000 We can't secure our own border. 0.82

00:06:30.000 I mean, I just think it's crazy.

00:06:31.000 But to your question, what I think is really interesting is the argument keeps shifting.

00:06:36.000 What I hear from my colleagues, God bless them, and I'm not saying they're dishonest.

00:06:39.000 I think they're very honest people.

00:06:40.000 But I have heard multiple different iterations now.

00:06:44.000 First it was we have to stop Russia from reconstituting the Soviet Empire.

00:06:48.000 Now it's that, well, if we don't fund the Ukrainians' government, the whole Ukrainian government will collapse. 0.56

00:06:53.000 I've also heard we're really fighting China by fighting Ukraine. 0.95

00:06:56.000 That's the new one. 0.99

00:06:57.000 That's the new one.

00:06:58.000 And I think they've poll tested that one because there's legitimate China anxiety that I have and that patriots have.

00:07:05.000 And so now the new one is that it's actually a proxy war against Xi Jinping by like this phantom war.

00:07:10.000 Yeah, right.

00:07:11.000 But then also what's drove me nuts about this, and you know this, you represent the great state of Missouri and regular Americans can't afford homes, borders wide open, drugs are in the streets, or we have a crisis of masculinity, which your terrific book, Manhood, addresses.

00:07:24.000 Everyone check it out.

00:07:26.000 Is that kind of overly funding foreign adventures while your own country is crumbling is really perverse?

00:07:33.000 And I use that word.

00:07:34.000 It's kind of very strange to me.

00:07:36.000 It's like late Republic stuff, actually.

00:07:37.000 It's like last gasp stuff.

00:07:40.000 Is there a changing attitude, though, where at least some people are saying, maybe let's start to pursue peace or maybe this is, I mean, or is the gusto as much as it was since the beginning?

00:07:52.000 There's still a lot of bluster.

00:07:53.000 I do think what I do hear from my colleagues is a dawning recognition that, wait a minute, we actually don't have any idea where this money's going.

00:08:00.000 You know, so $113 billion.

00:08:02.000 And we have this now, this memo leaked out of the State Department in the White House just a couple of days ago that says actually the administration is really worried about corruption in Ukraine.

00:08:11.000 It's like, duh, I mean, everybody's worried about corruption in Ukraine.

00:08:13.000 Joe Biden is worried about this.

00:08:15.000 The memo says actually the White House is very concerned and has warned the Ukrainian government they've got a big corruption problem.

00:08:21.000 Didn't Zelensky just fire like a bunch of his henchmen or something?

00:08:24.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:08:25.000 So when Zelensky visited, did you have a chance to meet him or talk to him?

00:08:30.000 I did not talk to him.

00:08:32.000 He did a presentation to senators, and so I went, listened.

00:08:36.000 Was it classified?

00:08:37.000 No.

00:08:38.000 Can you tell us kind of what was the sales pitch? 0.86

00:08:41.000 The sales pitch was: we can't win this war without the United States, and you're the only thing that is standing between us and the Russians. 0.90

00:08:41.000 Sure. 0.90

00:08:48.000 And there's a part of this, Charlie, which is true.

00:08:49.000 Here's the true part: we are writing checks directly to Zelensky's government.

00:08:54.000 To the Treasury.

00:08:55.000 To the Treasury.

00:08:56.000 It's not just that we are sending them.

00:09:00.000 We're doing all that.

00:09:01.000 Right, exactly.

00:09:02.000 But we're all, and we're giving them humanitarian aid, which actually goes to the UN, you know, which is terrible.

00:09:07.000 So that's all corrupt.

00:09:08.000 But we are writing them checks directly to their treasury.

00:09:11.000 And so Zelensky naturally is there.

00:09:12.000 He's like, if you quit doing this, like, I mean, I don't know what we would do.

00:09:15.000 And literally, you think about it, it's like we are turning them into a vassal state where we are propping up their government, not just the war piece of it, their government with our own taxpayer money.

00:09:27.000 And to your point, our roads and bridges are crumbling, our border's in crisis, and yet it's like, oh, here's another $100 billion for Ukraine. 0.56

00:09:33.000 We're also, we're going to post a $1.92 trillion deficit, a deficit of $2 trillion.

00:09:39.000 And yeah, I want to keep on explaining.

00:09:41.000 I'm trying, and I haven't figured it out, but whoever figures it out will be a very successful author.

00:09:46.000 The psychology of a Washington, D.C. politician that cares so much about the foreign and really has contempt for the immediate.

00:09:55.000 And I don't know where that comes from.

00:09:57.000 It's just, it's everywhere.

00:09:59.000 It's ubiquitous.

00:10:00.000 30 seconds.

00:10:01.000 Totally ubiquitous.

00:10:02.000 I think a lot of it is it's inside the beltway, inside the building.

00:10:06.000 People get there and they just talk to each other and they just listen to the press and they forget.

00:10:06.000 Speak, Charlie.

00:10:11.000 Then when they go home, they're shocked.

00:10:12.000 They go home and voters are like, why are you spending our money on Ukraine when our border's not secure?

00:10:18.000 And people are shocked by this.

00:10:20.000 And I know they're shocked because they come back and they say they're shocked.

00:10:22.000 I was at home and I was shocked by what people said.

00:10:24.000 It's like, well, it's not that hard.

00:10:26.000 What your voters are saying is rational because they're putting their own country first as they should.

00:10:31.000 What a concept.

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00:12:32.000 Any thoughts on what we were talking about?

00:12:34.000 This idea that has infected DC of just like the foreign calamity kind of usurps or trumps the immediate catastrophe.

00:12:45.000 Because it's just insulting on like a soul level when I see our country be invaded on the southern border and the distant gets prioritized.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, I just think that some of it, frankly, there's a little bit of an imperial mindset that I think is still at work in D.C., which is this idea that we are the world's policemen, that America's prestige comes from policing the world.

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 And there's also a Cold War mentality hangover.

00:13:07.000 I mean, Charlie, there's a lot of talk about China in D.C., but we're not actually doing anything to stand up to China, whether it's taking our jobs away, ripping off our technology, running rampant in the Pacific their imperialism.

00:13:20.000 We're not doing anything about that.

00:13:21.000 And I think that's because Europe still is where people say, oh, no, that's where the focus needs to be.

00:13:26.000 And I just think there's a certain amount of kind of like D.C. prestige from being a foreign policy expert who has to talk about our alliances.

00:13:33.000 Yeah, it's like you get to be the keynote at the Council of Foreign Relations.

00:13:36.000 Like, who cares? 1.00

00:13:37.000 That's correct.

00:13:37.000 Like, that's not what's going to move the dial for the country.

00:13:41.000 No, it feels as if, I know this sounds bad, but it's like a bunch of seventh graders playing risk, is what the U.S. Senate has become.

00:13:48.000 It's like these are real lives and real people suffering.

00:13:51.000 And it's also, I think, unfair and unrealistic when, Senator, if you hear, we're going to keep funding this until the Russians leave Ukraine, including Crimea.

00:14:01.000 That's irresponsible for a lawmaker to say.

00:14:03.000 Well, and listen to this.

00:14:04.000 I mean, the administration, the Biden administration, has told senators, I mean, just a week ago, they told senators that there's not going to be a military victory in Ukraine.

00:14:13.000 They said that.

00:14:14.000 Wait, so Biden...

00:14:15.000 Yes, this was the Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Millie.

00:14:20.000 Was this told?

00:14:20.000 Was this reported on this?

00:14:21.000 Senator?

00:14:21.000 I didn't hear about this.

00:14:22.000 That this is, yeah, that there's not going to be a traditional, quote-unquote, military constitutionality.

00:14:27.000 Oh, so it's going to end with some sort of a stalemate.

00:14:30.000 That's what they said.

00:14:32.000 And this is what Zelensky said.

00:14:33.000 You know, to your point, what did he come to say?

00:14:35.000 He said that currently the conflict is in stalemate. 0.96

00:14:39.000 That's what he said, which is accurate.

00:14:40.000 That is accurate.

00:14:41.000 So this is my question.

00:14:42.000 My question to the Biden administration is: so, if this is in stalemate, you're saying we have to spend $100 billion a year to keep it in stalemate.

00:14:51.000 What's the goal here?

00:14:52.000 What's the end game?

00:14:53.000 What's the strategy?

00:14:55.000 And the answer is they don't have a strategy.

00:14:57.000 It's just throw more money at it.

00:14:58.000 And I promise you it'll come next, Charlie.

00:15:00.000 They'll say, well, we need American advisors on the ground, Vietnam-style. 0.94

00:15:03.000 That is what will come next.

00:15:04.000 To break the law jam, we need American advisors on the ground.

00:15:07.000 This is why we need to stop this right now.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, and they'll do it in like this creepy pro-American way.

00:15:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:12.000 They'll be like, we have the best fighting force.

00:15:14.000 Exactly. 0.81

00:15:15.000 Only America could thaw the Russian winter. 0.86

00:15:21.000 That's right. 0.90

00:15:21.000 Right. 0.90

00:15:21.000 And then they're going to try to play on kind of this impulse, like, urrah. 0.90

00:15:25.000 Like, yeah, we can do this.

00:15:26.000 But, you know, Senator, one thing that gives me hope is the people.

00:15:31.000 I mean, we did a poll at our Turning Point Action Conference.

00:15:34.000 You spoke at that, right?

00:15:35.000 Yeah.

00:15:36.000 It was kind of a whirlwind.

00:15:38.000 And 95% of our attendees were against funding the war in Ukraine.

00:15:40.000 95%.

00:15:42.000 Next day, the U.S. Senate sends out a memo where they say they're very worried that America first national policy, it's like almost maybe one had something to do with the other, they were pretty upset.

00:15:52.000 But I have hoped the American people are rejecting this at a rapid rate.

00:15:57.000 Yes.

00:15:57.000 Are you seeing the same thing?

00:15:58.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:15:59.000 And I mean, in my state, I mean, the only thing I can speak to is the people of Missouri.

00:16:03.000 In Missouri, what I get anytime Ukraine comes up, people say to me, what are we doing there and why are we spending more money?

00:16:10.000 Let me just give you a real-world example, Charlie.

00:16:11.000 In my state, the federal government actually exposed tens of thousands of people to nuclear radiation back from the Manhattan era.

00:16:19.000 This has been going on for decades, lied about it.

00:16:22.000 People have gotten cancer, gotten sick because of it.

00:16:24.000 How much has the government spent to make right their own radioactive contamination?

00:16:29.000 Zero.

00:16:30.000 This is in Missouri.

00:16:30.000 Yeah, St. Louis area.

00:16:32.000 Zero.

00:16:32.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.000 Zero money.

00:16:34.000 But how much will we spend on Ukraine?

00:16:35.000 $113 billion.

00:16:36.000 So what are the people of my state told, oh, sorry.

00:16:39.000 You know, yeah, your government poisoned you.

00:16:41.000 Oops, sorry. 0.92

00:16:42.000 But we need to spend some more money on Ukraine.

00:16:44.000 I mean, at a certain point, it's like, do you think, and this is kind of the talking point, are people getting rich off of this war, contractors?

00:16:51.000 Well, I mean, I'll just say this.

00:16:53.000 I noticed that the contractors love it.

00:16:55.000 And one of the new talking points is, well, this is going to help us rebuild our industrial base by spending on Ukraine.

00:17:00.000 The translation is.

00:17:01.000 It's an infrastructure project.

00:17:03.000 The translation is this is going to make contractors rich.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:06.000 So there's no doubt that some people benefit from it, the contractors benefit from it.

00:17:10.000 But again, is it good for the United States?

00:17:13.000 Does it make America more secure?

00:17:15.000 And the answer is no, it does not.

00:17:16.000 We spend a lot of time on this because, as you can tell, it's a passionate topic for me because I have, from a generational standpoint, and you could definitely sympathize with this, you know, I'm about to be 30.

00:17:26.000 I could pinpoint four years of my life where America was out at war.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:30.000 At some sort of no-win war.

00:17:32.000 All we know is some sort of calamity, some sort of quagmire where we're not really playing to win, we're playing to occupy.

00:17:40.000 And our generation is sick of it.

00:17:42.000 We see homes at a grasp for ownership.

00:17:44.000 We're seeing it harder and harder to get married.

00:17:46.000 We're seeing health outcomes go down.

00:17:48.000 And no-win wars have really bankrupted people.

00:17:51.000 And can I say one other thing about five seconds?

00:17:52.000 You know, working-class people, they're the ones who are fighting these wars. 0.96

00:17:56.000 They're the ones who are bearing the burden.

00:17:58.000 They're the ones who are being ignored.

00:18:00.000 And the D.C. chattering class completely ignores that reality.

00:18:03.000 Almost like every other issue.

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00:19:08.000 Senator, tell us about your border bill.

00:19:10.000 Simple.

00:19:11.000 If Joe Biden is not going to enforce our laws and he's not, Charlie, then we should allow the states to do it.

00:19:16.000 And right now, the Supreme Court has said states can't enforce the law.

00:19:21.000 They've said that federal law prohibits the states from enforcing our immigration laws.

00:19:25.000 So my bill would change it.

00:19:26.000 It would just say, listen, Texas, Arizona, you name it, and we should all want to enforce those laws, allow the states to do it, give them the resources to do it, including deportations, and in the Biden administration's attempt to punish the states who are enforcing our laws.

00:19:39.000 So the border is another one that really perplexes me.

00:19:43.000 So I would say that if an up or down vote, almost every Republican would vote for some border security.

00:19:49.000 I think that's right.

00:19:50.000 Probably.

00:19:50.000 Maybe you'd have a little bit of a weak-needed approach here, like, oh, can we have H1B1 garbage attached or whatever?

00:19:58.000 But the Democrat one, this is really, I think, a revealing issue because not only the lack of concern, but the outright insulting Orwellian kind of what I call hallway chatter that I hear from some of your colleagues, where hallway chatter, they, you know, ask a question, the gaggle.

00:20:16.000 Like, oh, the border's secure.

00:20:17.000 It's fine.

00:20:18.000 It's like, I mean, I just, it's so, it's gaslighting.

00:20:22.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 And on a fundamental level, I find it to be repulsive, both intellectually and morally.

00:20:26.000 Yeah.

00:20:26.000 It's not secure.

00:20:27.000 No, it's not secure.

00:20:28.000 And if you want proof that it's not secure, you can, of course, see with your own eyes by just looking at what's happening at the border.

00:20:34.000 But it also, and I say this to my Democrat colleagues, why don't you come with me to my state, which is not a border state geographically, but is a border state morally in the sense that the drugs that are pouring across our border, Charlie, are coming into every school in the state of Missouri.

00:20:49.000 And I'm tired of hearing from parents that their kids are exposed to fentanyl, to meth, opioids.

00:20:56.000 Where are they coming from?

00:20:57.000 Not in Missouri, not even in the U.S. They're coming across the southern border.

00:21:00.000 We are awash in drugs in Missouri that are literally killing our kids because of the southern border.

00:21:06.000 So, you know, it is a moral imperative to secure that.

00:21:10.000 So let's get technical here because I think it's important.

00:21:12.000 Are they coming through ports of entry?

00:21:14.000 Are they coming through people declaring asylum?

00:21:17.000 Both.

00:21:17.000 Fact packs.

00:21:17.000 Okay, so walk through the actual, what we know, because Mayorkis, who, you know, is too busy trying not to have Cubans come into the country, the one group that probably should declare asylum, the one group in the entire hemisphere.

00:21:29.000 He's like, nope, no more Cubans, which he's Cuban himself.

00:21:31.000 Let's walk through actually how, who makes the fentanyl, the process, how it makes its way from Guadalajara all the way to Joplin.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, and some of it comes even from China.

00:21:44.000 So you can start in China.

00:21:45.000 Some of the precursors are made in China, then go to Mexico.

00:21:48.000 It's assembled, if you like, baked, whatever in Mexico.

00:21:51.000 Like breaking bad stuff.

00:21:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:53.000 And then brought across the southern border, points of entry, mules, you know, that bring it across.

00:21:59.000 And then there's a huge drug network that runs from the border in the southwest United States all across the central United States.

00:22:06.000 And listen, you know, Missouri, we sit right in the geographical.

00:22:09.000 We are the trucking capital.

00:22:10.000 We are the trucking capital.

00:22:12.000 If you've ever seen Ozark, that's a important wrinkle.

00:22:15.000 So we have a lot of networks that move right across our state.

00:22:20.000 So the drugs just pour into the state.

00:22:22.000 But we've also found now that human trafficking, the number of migrant children who are being moved across the border, who are now in sex trafficking in this country, who are now in child labor in this country, and the Biden administration has watched this happen.

00:22:36.000 We're talking like 300,000 children moved across the border into trafficking in this country, and they're just standing by and letting it.

00:22:44.000 Yeah, so that's such an unbelievable number.

00:22:48.000 So it's a fact the Biden regime has stopped DNA testing at the border, which takes 40 seconds.

00:22:56.000 Swab, swab, put in there, related, not related, like some sort of DNA match, right?

00:23:03.000 When you ask any senator, Democrat, what could their answer be against DNA testing?

00:23:08.000 Oh, who knows?

00:23:09.000 I'm sure they would say that that's invasive.

00:23:11.000 Now, these are the people who want you to be forced to take a COVID shot, but that would violate bodily autonomy if you have to.

00:23:18.000 Yeah, these are the people that want me to have a passport to have lunch.

00:23:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:21.000 COVID-19.

00:23:22.000 Exactly.

00:23:22.000 Show your card.

00:23:24.000 No, listen, and the inability to acknowledge the fact, which is we have the biggest human trafficking crisis in American history the last three years under this administration, children, and I mean children, kids being exploited, being worked and paid nothing, being sold into sex slavery.

00:23:44.000 And this administration is facilitating it.

00:23:46.000 They're co-sponsoring.

00:23:47.000 Totally.

00:23:48.000 100%.

00:23:50.000 And any legal challenge with the judges don't seem that moved by this.

00:23:55.000 And that's what's really been frustrating, right?

00:23:57.000 I mean, it took, I don't know, Trump drank out of the wrong cup in the first 60 days of presidency and some judge in Guam issued an injunction, right?

00:24:07.000 Yeah.

00:24:07.000 I mean, they're like, oh, no, I mean, it didn't take much, right?

00:24:11.000 I think it literally was a judge in Guam or something, right?

00:24:13.000 It was.

00:24:14.000 And we can't get a judge to issue an injunction against Majorkas or something.

00:24:18.000 This has been...

00:24:19.000 Well, I mean, listen, the real thing on like Title 42, for instance, which had the border closed, Biden could absolutely close the border if he wanted to.

00:24:29.000 There are numerous lawful grounds for him to do so.

00:24:32.000 But he doesn't want to, Charlie.

00:24:33.000 So let's go to why, because this is the next why.

00:24:37.000 What is the motive here?

00:24:38.000 Collapse the immigration system.

00:24:40.000 I think when Majorca says, you know, we need to completely overhaul our immigration system, he believes that, and he wants to make it so.

00:24:47.000 He wants to make it impossible for our current immigration system to function.

00:24:51.000 And we're there.

00:24:52.000 I mean, we are there.

00:24:53.000 You just look at the border.

00:24:54.000 It's in a state of total collapse.

00:24:56.000 The cartels are running wild.

00:24:58.000 And I think that's the goal.

00:24:59.000 It's collapse the whole thing.

00:25:00.000 It's chaos.

00:25:01.000 You get the chaos.

00:25:02.000 And then they come and say, see, now we need to reform the system to basically open the borders because that's the only sensible thing.

00:25:09.000 And you can't deport anybody.

00:25:10.000 So we need to just open it wide.

00:25:11.000 And that's what they are driving toward.

00:25:13.000 They've been trying to do this for years.

00:25:15.000 And I think they just decided, hey, we'll just let the border devolve into chaos.

00:25:18.000 In fact, we'll encourage it.

00:25:19.000 And then we'll go to Congress and say, you don't have any choice.

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 And it's, I mean, I totally agree with that.

00:25:26.000 And do you think that they think they get politically more powerful if that's the case?

00:25:29.000 Probably, yeah.

00:25:30.000 I assume they think they get votes out of this.

00:25:32.000 You know, that at the end of the day, it's like these folks will come over here.

00:25:36.000 They'll get more and more stays.

00:25:38.000 Blue states are saying, no, you don't have to be a legal resident to vote.

00:25:41.000 And I assume they think that they'll get political power out of it.

00:25:45.000 That may or may not be true, but regardless of the.

00:25:47.000 Yeah, that's actually an open question.

00:25:49.000 It is an open question.

00:25:50.000 Men give birth is not exactly a winning message for a laborer in Mexico. 0.81

00:25:57.000 He's like, yeah, I think that's insane. 0.98

00:26:00.000 Exactly.

00:26:00.000 It's like witchcraft.

00:26:01.000 I mean, so ironically, their political calculations may turn out to be totally wrong.

00:26:04.000 But hilarious.

00:26:05.000 That is besides.

00:26:05.000 But that's besides the point.

00:26:06.000 That's our sovereignty, our rule of law, the crime, the drugs, the people getting raped.

00:26:10.000 I mean, there was a story in Minnesota.

00:26:11.000 Do you see this story?

00:26:12.000 This illegal rapes four girls or something and ties them up in like a whole network of them. 0.54

00:26:19.000 So, Senator, there's another element to this, which is, you know, if you were to ask an American, okay, who do you think is coming across the border?

00:26:27.000 Yeah.

00:26:27.000 You know, they'd say, okay, it's someone from Honduras.

00:26:30.000 And it's now coming to light that this is a lot of men fighting age, not exactly your archetype of people fleeing violence, but it's also from all over the world.

00:26:39.000 Is it true that people either on the terror watch list or countries that are akin are crossing the border?

00:26:47.000 Well, yeah, I mean, we just know, for instance, take China, which is not exactly a geographic neighbor to us.

00:26:53.000 We have had reports, and I say reports, confirmed.

00:26:56.000 I mean, we have had the administration confirm that busloads of Chinese citizens who we know are Chinese Communist Party members have come across the southern border.

00:27:05.000 Why are they coming across the southern border?

00:27:07.000 Like, what is going on, Charlie?

00:27:10.000 And to your point, the word has gone out worldwide that the border is completely open.

00:27:16.000 And that is an invitation to every terrorist group, every enemy of the United States.

00:27:21.000 Do whatever you want.

00:27:22.000 Run whatever you want through there.

00:27:23.000 Take whatever you want across there.

00:27:25.000 I mean, the number of getaways alone, I mean, we're talking thousands and thousands of thousands daily.

00:27:29.000 I mean, we've never seen anything like it before.

00:27:33.000 No, and it really is kind of an intentional collapse.

00:27:36.000 So your bill would help would allow Texas to be Texas.

00:27:41.000 That's right.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, Arizona, whomever.

00:27:43.000 It would allow them not only to enforce their law, but federal law.

00:27:46.000 So they could say, hey, listen, you know, it's a crime to cross the border illegally.

00:27:52.000 So Texas then could say, well, our National Guard is going to deploy and we're going to enforce federal law.

00:27:57.000 We're going to turn you back.

00:27:58.000 And we're going to actually, if there's a valid deportation, they can carry it out.

00:28:02.000 So this is the kind of common sense thing I think we need right now when the federal government won't enforce our own law.

00:28:08.000 And to be clear, this isn't the state's making new law for the nation.

00:28:11.000 This is enforcing the laws we have that Biden won't do.

00:28:14.000 What is creating a sense of deep resentment against the Senate and against our leaders, not you, you're in high standing with our audience, is they see lawlessness on the border, but they see like Soviet totalitarianism against Trump, 500 years in federal prison, the J6 defendants, which is completely outrageous. 0.75

00:28:34.000 We can call it two tiers of justice, but it really is anarcho-tyranny. 0.90

00:28:38.000 Which is if you're in the streets of this city, you could do whatever you want, right?

00:28:41.000 You could burn, loot, murder, as we saw in Philadelphia, and you'd get reparations in certain cities for this. 0.58

00:28:48.000 But if you want to enter the country, it gets subsidized by the federal government.

00:28:52.000 This is not sustainable.

00:28:54.000 No, it's not.

00:28:54.000 It's not sustainable.

00:28:55.000 And it's very deliberately political, Charlie, because what else is going on?

00:28:58.000 If you're a parent who went to a school board meeting and said, I don't want my kid taught CRT, you're a domestic terrorist.

00:29:04.000 If you are a pro-We're just talking about being pro-life, if you go to an abortion clinic and peacefully demonstrate, you may well get an FBI SWAT team on your door.

00:29:13.000 That has happened in Pennsylvania.

00:29:14.000 Pennsylvania, Mark Hawk.

00:29:15.000 So, you know, this is the deliberate weaponization of the rule of law and our legal system against political opponents.

00:29:23.000 And it goes all the way down.

00:29:25.000 We now know that the Biden administration used the biggest social media companies in the world to censor anybody who criticized them.

00:29:35.000 I mean, anybody.

00:29:36.000 And this is fact.

00:29:37.000 You can read it.

00:29:38.000 Go look at the case, Missouri versus Biden.

00:29:40.000 You can see it right there.

00:29:41.000 And we're talking about parents in Missouri who wanted to circulate a petition to not have masks at their school.

00:29:46.000 Facebook kicks them off.

00:29:48.000 Why?

00:29:48.000 Because the White House demanded it.

00:29:50.000 Have we ever had an administration in American history where the president and the White House are asking for political speech of normal people to be censored?

00:29:59.000 And our media companies are doing it.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, and we're going to be announcing we're working with ACLJ because they did that with DHS with us.

00:30:04.000 They said, you know, censor Charlie Kirk's Twitter feed and all that sort of stuff.

00:30:08.000 And thanks to Elon Musk, we are able to connect the dots because they thought they could get away with it.

00:30:12.000 But yeah, the FBI had like a standing appointment with Twitter basically saying, get rid of this account.

00:30:17.000 And we happened to be on the list, right?

00:30:18.000 Dan Bongino and us were right on the top of the list because we were participating in wrong thinking.

00:30:23.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:31:27.000 All right, we are continuing with Senator Josh Hawley.

00:31:30.000 Boy, if we had 51 senators like Senator Hawley, the country would be in a much better place.

00:31:35.000 I'll tell you what.

00:31:36.000 Your book, Manhood, we've talked about it before.

00:31:39.000 We want to make sure that our audience all buys it, and it really is terrific.

00:31:44.000 So, first of all, it's been a couple months since it's come out.

00:31:47.000 How's the response been?

00:31:48.000 It's been awesome.

00:31:49.000 What have you learned from your bookstops, people you've talked to since publishing the book on this topic?

00:31:54.000 I think one of the things I've learned is just how many young men, Charlie, feel so isolated and they feel like they are under siege.

00:32:01.000 So I've had so many young guys in particular come to me and say, thank you just for talking about manhood because we're not supposed to talk about it.

00:32:09.000 We feel like we don't have any role models, any guides, anybody's showing us the way.

00:32:14.000 So many men don't have fathers, you know, as you know.

00:32:17.000 I mean, they tragedy this all the time.

00:32:18.000 Exactly.

00:32:19.000 It's a tragedy.

00:32:20.000 So in that environment, it is so important that we talk about what does a good man look like.

00:32:25.000 We recover those role models.

00:32:27.000 The book is full of stories from my life, the Bible.

00:32:29.000 What does it look like to be a good, strong man?

00:32:31.000 And let's just tell the truth.

00:32:32.000 America needs good, strong men.

00:32:34.000 This idea that all men are too strong, a strong man's a bad thing, false.

00:32:38.000 We need stronger men who are good men, and we need men to step up.

00:32:42.000 So legislatively, what do you think could be done banning pornography, age limits on pornography?

00:32:48.000 You've spoken out against this, and the media tries to ridicule you and come after you, which is, I mean, you think about what draws ire from the media saying bad things about the moral poison of modernity.

00:33:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:03.000 If you mention porn, I mean, it'll just be automatically, the left will completely lose their minds, which is interesting.

00:33:08.000 Listen, I think it's revealing.

00:33:10.000 Well, you know, draw the conclusions you will.

00:33:12.000 I would just say this.

00:33:13.000 I think on social media, for all social media, I think we ought to have an age limit.

00:33:16.000 I think it ought to be, you know, 16.

00:33:18.000 Yeah.

00:33:19.000 And I'd say this is a parent.

00:33:20.000 My kids are 10, 8, and 2.

00:33:22.000 And, you know, Charlie, for my older boys who are not on social media yet, but I know they're getting that age when their friends are all on it.

00:33:28.000 I do not want them drawn into it.

00:33:31.000 I don't want them targeted.

00:33:32.000 But just, you know, to young men out there, I think we need to send the message.

00:33:35.000 Listen, we need you to turn off the porn, come out of your parents' basement, go get a job, go form a relationship, go start a family.

00:33:44.000 That's how you're going to change your life and make something of it.

00:33:46.000 And that's how we're going to change this country.

00:33:48.000 You want to change this country?

00:33:49.000 Yeah, I mean, absolutely.

00:33:50.000 We need to elect good people to Congress and the president, everywhere.

00:33:53.000 But really, if we're going to change the country, we need men to start stepping up as men and providing and protecting and taking responsibility.

00:34:02.000 According to Hill.com, and we see this with our Turning Point USA groups, Gen Z men are the most conservative young men have been in 50 years.

00:34:09.000 Why do you think that is?

00:34:10.000 I think because they see what the left is offering.

00:34:13.000 The left is finally being totally honest about what they believe, that men are inherently toxic.

00:34:17.000 There really is no such thing as man or woman.

00:34:19.000 The best thing a man can do is to declare himself non-binary, to spend the rest of his life with his parents, to do and say nothing offensive according to them, and just do as they're told.

00:34:30.000 You know, sit down, watch some porn, order some stuff, do as you're told.

00:34:34.000 I think men look at that, young men, and they're like, this is my future?

00:34:37.000 No, no, no.

00:34:38.000 I want to matter in life.

00:34:39.000 I want to leave a legacy.

00:34:40.000 I want to do something of consequence.

00:34:42.000 And they're saying, what can I do?

00:34:44.000 And the answer is, take on some responsibility.

00:34:47.000 That's correct.

00:34:48.000 And go out there and give your life to other people in service to others.

00:34:51.000 So the book is called Manhood Again, and the backs really sums it well.

00:34:56.000 All is not well with men in America, and that spells trouble for the American Republic.

00:35:02.000 It is a crisis.

00:35:03.000 There is a war on men.

00:35:05.000 But like so many of the crises we're seeing, our leaders act as if it doesn't exist.

00:35:10.000 It doesn't happen.

00:35:12.000 Do you think that there's an agenda outright that some people want men to become metrosexual versions of their former selves?

00:35:18.000 Oh, I mean, just look at what our kids are taught in schools.

00:35:20.000 I mean, and that's not just by happenstance.

00:35:22.000 You look at the curriculum where kids are taught now from a young age that A, there is no male and female, and B, that men are responsible for everything from climate change to gun violence to rape culture to fill in the blank, you know, and men, It's all men.

00:35:39.000 It's masculinity, traditional masculinity, inherently toxic.

00:35:42.000 That is absolutely an agenda that the left has openly embraced for decades.

00:35:47.000 And we're seeing the results of that now with staggering numbers of young men committing suicide, suffering from depression, addicted to alcohol, drugs, you name it.

00:35:56.000 So if you want to keep going down that road, then just keep doing what the left has been doing.

00:36:00.000 But I think most rational people realize we have got to change course and we've got to give men a clarion call to step up and do something with their lives.

00:36:09.000 Genesis 12 moment: leave your father's home and go on an adventure.

00:36:12.000 Exactly.

00:36:12.000 Manhood, the masculine virtues America needs.

00:36:15.000 Any final thoughts, Senator?

00:36:16.000 Just that, you know, we need men who are strong, who are brave, who are courageous.

00:36:20.000 And I would just say to the young men out there, you want to leave a legacy, go get married and start a family.

00:36:26.000 That is a hard thing.

00:36:27.000 Oh, I see in the gloss, in the index here, you have Andrew Tate in your book.

00:36:31.000 I'm going to have to find out what you want.

00:36:32.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:36:34.000 Buy it and find out.

00:36:34.000 I'm immensely curious.

00:36:35.000 I'm not going to tell you.

00:36:36.000 You got to buy it.

00:36:37.000 Manhood, that's your teaser. 0.83

00:36:39.000 Masculine Virtues America Needs.

00:36:40.000 Josh Hawley.

00:36:41.000 Senator, thanks so much.

00:36:42.000 Thank you.

00:36:42.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:44.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:46.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 06, 2023

Why D.C. Just Doesn't Care with Sen. Josh Hawley

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