The Charlie Kirk Show - Why "Democrats" Are Against "Democracy" with Tulsi Gabbard

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, a wonderful conversation with Tulsi Gabbard.

00:00:03.000 I asked her, Would she be Trump's VP?

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00:00:06.000 She has a new book that is powerful.

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00:03:09.000 Super thrilled with our guest this hour.

00:03:13.000 It is Tulsi Gabbard, a great American patriot, author of the new book that everyone should buy.

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00:03:21.000 For love of country, leave the Democrat Party Behind.

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00:03:26.000 Tulsi, welcome back to the program.

00:03:28.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:03:29.000 It's great to see you.

00:03:30.000 Thank you.

00:03:30.000 So tell us about the book, Leave the Democrat Party Behind.

00:03:34.000 Tell us all about it.

00:03:36.000 You know, I got to be honest.

00:03:38.000 The working title was For Love of Country, Why I Left the Democrat Party.

00:03:42.000 And just before the book went to print, I was like, you know what?

00:03:46.000 Now is the time for a direct call to action.

00:03:49.000 And I went with that more direct route because as you'll see throughout the book, it's not only sharing my own experiences of having been in the Democrat Party for 20 years and really why I left each chapter dedicated to one of the major reasons why.

00:04:05.000 But now is a time for action.

00:04:07.000 I detail in the book about how the Democrat elite are undermining our fundamental rights and freedoms.

00:04:14.000 They are trying to erase God from every facet of our public life.

00:04:18.000 They are undermining our civil liberties and weaponizing our Department of Justice against their political opponents, not only Donald Trump, but everyday Americans who dare to challenge their power, dare to go and speak the truth, dare to exercise their First Amendment rights and freedoms of expression.

00:04:38.000 They are doing all of this in their greed and pursuit of power.

00:04:44.000 They are terrified of a free people and a free society.

00:04:48.000 And we're seeing this play out right now in more brazen ways than I've ever experienced or seen in my lifetime.

00:04:55.000 And this is why the timing of this book is so important because there are a lot of people out there who maybe are still Democrats or have left the Democrat Party, people who are unaffiliated with either party.

00:05:08.000 Gallup poll recently showed 43% of Americans are unaffiliated, or people who are just frustrated with politics in general.

00:05:16.000 My message is to understand the threats to all Americans' fundamental rights and freedoms and remind ourselves of our responsibility as citizens of this country to ensure we have a government of, by, and for the people, and to ensure we have people in power who actually respect and will uphold those rights and freedoms.

00:05:37.000 That is beautifully said.

00:05:38.000 And by the way, congratulations on being a New York Times best-selling author.

00:05:42.000 They say that you're number four on the list, which means you're actually number one on the list, something I know very well.

00:05:48.000 They've gained that thing.

00:05:49.000 So if you're number one and you really kill it, they'll put you two or three or four if you're not ideologically in harmony.

00:05:56.000 So that means you're actually number one, Tulsi.

00:05:57.000 So Tulsi, I want to go back in time.

00:06:00.000 I remember witnessing this as a young political activist, and I was just a fan of yours, even though we weren't necessarily on the same team.

00:06:09.000 When you endorsed Bernie Sanders and you were vice chair of the DNC, I don't want to speak for you, but was this part of your process to realize the Democrat Party has become an anti-democratic oligarchy?

00:06:23.000 Can you tell our audience this story?

00:06:25.000 Because you were vice chair of the DNC.

00:06:28.000 Some would say you were a darling of the Democrat Party.

00:06:31.000 What happened?

00:06:32.000 Yeah, you know, I'm glad you brought that up because on its surface level, people might not really understand why I made that decision.

00:06:40.000 A lot of Democrats didn't know why I made that decision to resign as vice chair of the DNC and endorse Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton.

00:06:48.000 And others, even now, they're like, Tulsi, I don't get it.

00:06:51.000 How could you support a guy like Bernie Sanders?

00:06:54.000 But the reality is that I think you saw at that time was twofold.

00:07:00.000 Yes, as a vice chair of the DNC, I saw very clearly how Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who was the chair of the DNC at the time, was making unilateral decisions.

00:07:11.000 Often as vice chairs, we would find out her decisions via tweet or press release.

00:07:16.000 So not no conversation or consultation in any way, but how she was tilting the scales for Hillary Clinton, along with so many of their friends in the mainstream media, trying to make it as easy as possible for Hillary to get the nomination, for her to become president, and not have to answer for her foreign policy record. 0.98

00:07:36.000 You'll remember, Charlie, how during that whole time in the lead up to that election, she was touted almost universally by the mainstream media as the most qualified person ever to run for president of the United States, ever, in our country's history.

00:07:51.000 And people said this with a straight face, and I just, I didn't get it.

00:07:56.000 I couldn't understand how they could make that statement and how they could make that statement without any justification or qualifiers.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, okay, so she's had all these different titles, got it.

00:08:09.000 But what did she actually do?

00:08:10.000 What was the result of her being in these positions, her decisions, her recommendations, the things she was pushing as Secretary of State under President Obama?

00:08:21.000 When you actually look at her record, it's atrocious.

00:08:25.000 She is, and rightfully so, as I called her out for being the queen of warmongers. 0.98

00:08:31.000 And so I saw, and this was the real reason why I stepped down as vice chair to endorse Bernie Sanders was around this issue of foreign policy.

00:08:40.000 She is the queen of warmongers, Bernie Sanders on the issue of foreign policy, not all the time, but he tends to lean in a more non-interventionist direction.

00:08:50.000 I knew that if I did this, then I would have a platform to be able to do my part as an American, as a veteran, as a service member to go out and make the case to the American people and tell them the truth about how dangerous Hillary Clinton would be as president and commander in chief and actually hold her to account for her record because nobody else in Democrat politics was doing it.

00:09:14.000 And people in the mainstream media certainly were not.

00:09:17.000 So I want to dive deeper into this, though.

00:09:18.000 And by the way, I hold nothing against, you know, as conservative.

00:09:21.000 I always kind of really respected the Bernie Sanders protest vote.

00:09:25.000 I thought it was healthy and honest.

00:09:27.000 Joe Rogan, for example, I thought it was intellectually brave.

00:09:31.000 There's some things that I agreed with Bernie on and some things I think he was a raving lunatic on, but it's fine.

00:09:35.000 I mean, that's kind of what makes elections interesting and fun.

00:09:39.000 I believe he actually won the nomination in 16.

00:09:42.000 He won it.

00:09:43.000 If it wasn't for this rigged process, is that a fair delegates?

00:09:48.000 Yes, I think this is important.

00:09:49.000 The Democrat Party has this oligarchy and they're live action role playing as like democracy defenders, but they have this philosopher, king, and queen ruling class that essentially overturns the rule of the people.

00:10:04.000 And I don't know how many rank and file Democrats actually understand this.

00:10:07.000 Can we go deep into this?

00:10:09.000 Yeah, of course, because it's relevant still to what's happening now.

00:10:14.000 What we saw in 2016 was that Bernie Sanders started to catch fire as a candidate in the primary.

00:10:21.000 Really, that primary ended up being between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

00:10:26.000 The fact that he was able to raise money by every $27 to compete and even outrage Hillary Clinton's multi-million dollar fundraisers was quite a statement about what a thriving and engaged democracy can accomplish.

00:10:45.000 And so as he went state by state, Ultimately, coming to that convention, the Democrat elite, and this is the difference that I make in my book.

00:10:54.000 I'm very intentional in drawing a distinction between the Democrat elite and rank-and-file Democrats, many of whom I know across the country are disgusted to see what the Biden-Harris administration is doing to our country today.

00:11:08.000 But the Democrat elite are these people who were saying, even leading up to the convention that year, that there was no way that Bernie Sanders would win because they would block him.

00:11:19.000 That their votes carry more weight than the votes and voices of everyday Democrats across the country who were making a very loud statement about the change that they wanted to see in our country and how they knew that Hillary Clinton was not, was not good for the country.

00:11:38.000 And so that's exactly what happened.

00:11:40.000 The superdelegates showed out in force.

00:11:42.000 They didn't care if their state had voted for Bernie Sanders.

00:11:46.000 They were going to counteract that voice and vote of the people with their superdelegate vote.

00:11:52.000 And, you know, we all know how that ended with the Bernie Sanders conversation with the Clintons at the convention and then his eventual speech to support her nomination.

00:12:01.000 Yeah, and this is such a deep and profound point.

00:12:04.000 There were two populist candidacies happening simultaneously to crush the Bush-Clinton cartel, Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

00:12:12.000 And the Republican Party, despite all the problems, I'm not a fan of the Republican Party in a lot of ways, only the only populist movement that was able to survive is because the RNC didn't have superdelegates.

00:12:24.000 Make no mistake, if the RNC would have had superdelegates, you would have had Marco Rubio or, and I'm not against Marco, I actually like him, Jeb Bush.

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00:13:40.000 So, just to kind of continue on this Bernie topic, why did we not see, or maybe you have seen some rank-and-file Democrats be so outraged with how Bernie was basically robbed two times, 2020, also because they rigged it for Joe Biden as well.

00:13:56.000 Do you think there has been base decay?

00:13:58.000 Do you think that you, alongside of millions of others, are also leading the Democrat Party because of these outrageous tactics?

00:14:05.000 Yeah, Charlie, you know, going back to kind of where we left things of that primary election in 2016, really being kind of the populist approach versus the elite, which Hillary Clinton embodies.

00:14:19.000 I think that we saw a lot of that in 2020, and we're certainly seeing it yet again.

00:14:24.000 But there were a lot of Bernie supporters who I know personally who left Bernie, did not vote for Hillary and voted for Trump.

00:14:32.000 One of the reasons why he was able to prevail over Hillary Clinton in 2016.

00:14:38.000 There have been Dem exit movements that occurred ever since 2016 when a lot of people really learned because they were more engaged in the process than they ever had been about how undemocratic the Democratic Party actually is.

00:14:53.000 Now, we're what, eight years after that that happened.

00:14:57.000 And we look at now how the Democrat Party is even more undemocratic.

00:15:01.000 We look at some of the states that when Bobby Kennedy was running as a Democrat in the primary to challenge Joe Biden, some states were like, yeah, no, we're not even going to let you be on the ballot.

00:15:11.000 We're not even going to hold a primary because they favored the president of the United States.

00:15:17.000 What to speak of anything like debates or anything else?

00:15:20.000 So the Democrats have very intentionally exposed themselves for who they are.

00:15:26.000 And I've been told by some people online and others to my face, like, oh, Tulsi, you had a typo on your book cover when you said leave the Democrat Party behind.

00:15:36.000 It's the Democratic Party.

00:15:38.000 But as you know well, I mean, I was intentional and made a point because the Democrat Party is not Democratic at all.

00:15:47.000 It's something I experienced throughout my time in Congress.

00:15:50.000 When I ran for president in 2020, my experience in that presidential primary, and I go into the different examples of the facade of a democracy that the Democratic Party creates when in fact they are pulling the strings behind the scenes and maneuvering to control which candidates voters are exposed to or learn more about,

00:16:13.000 and then either ignore, smear, or completely destroy other Democrat candidates that they don't want voters to hear from or to choose from because the Dem elite don't see them as quote unquote acceptable.

00:16:29.000 This is an oligarchy.

00:16:30.000 This is not a political party.

00:16:32.000 It is.

00:16:33.000 That description is one obviously you disagree with.

00:16:36.000 Can you elaborate on that?

00:16:38.000 Because I think it's one of the most important realizations that the Democrat cartel is much closer to an oligarchy, please.

00:16:46.000 And you see the results of that in the total conform, comply, or face the consequences reality that the Democrats in Washington live under today.

00:16:46.000 It is.

00:17:01.000 In my book, as I mentioned, I point out the difference between the Democrat elite versus Democrats.

00:17:08.000 The Democrat elite are made up of this oligarchy.

00:17:11.000 Who are they?

00:17:12.000 They are elected leaders like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton.

00:17:19.000 They are leaders of big mainstream propaganda media.

00:17:24.000 They are leaders of big tech social media companies, all of whom, and of course, the big globalist donors who are funding all of these efforts.

00:17:35.000 All of these people are this cabal of the Democrat elite that make up this oligarchy that you're referring to and control those who fall under them.

00:17:47.000 They create, like I said, this facade of a democracy that they engage with Democrat voters on.

00:17:54.000 But ultimately, it went from bad to so much worse in what we're seeing now, where, you know, where are the so-called progressives who should have been, and I would have expected to have stood up against this endless blank check writing to fund a proxy war against Russia using Ukraine and the Ukrainian people's lives.

00:18:15.000 That little sliver, you know, when there was some members of the progressives, the so-called progressive caucus that, you know, released this letter to Joe Biden saying, hey, we need you to take a leadership role in ending this war and walk us back from the brink of nuclear war.

00:18:33.000 It wasn't out for even 24 hours before they were tripping all over themselves to say, oh, no, we didn't mean to release the letter.

00:18:40.000 And, you know, some staffer released it with all of our signatures on it without us knowing about it.

00:18:45.000 And I've been in those rooms.

00:18:48.000 I've walked in those halls and I've gotten those phone calls from the White House.

00:18:52.000 For me, it was the Obama White House.

00:18:54.000 I know they got those calls from the Biden White House saying, how dare you?

00:18:58.000 Yes, how dare you vote against the message being, how dare you go against your president?

00:19:05.000 How dare you cross the White House, which for me, when I got that call from the Obama White House, and I'm sure as these members got that call from the Biden White House, as an American and as a soldier and as a veteran, to have the White House say, how dare you, not based on substance, not because, okay, like, hey, let's have a conversation about foreign policy and what are your concerns.

00:19:32.000 It was how dare you not follow the boss?

00:19:36.000 How dare you not just go along with what the party has demanded of you.

00:19:41.000 Unfortunately, in their case, in the so-called progressives case, they buckled immediately, started making excuses and backed away from a message that's actually really, really important that has to do with peace and security and our ability to continue to live in a free and prosperous society, which is one of many examples of this conformist mindset and leadership that's coming from the Democrat elite today.

00:20:10.000 And they have many levers of power that they use to try to control these members of Congress.

00:20:13.000 And so far, what we're seeing is even those who traditionally may have been the ones who have stood up against these nonsensical counterproductive wars are silent.

00:20:23.000 What levels of power do they have?

00:20:25.000 I mean, blackmail, campaign contributions?

00:20:28.000 What do they have to be able to control people against their wishes?

00:20:31.000 It's all of the above.

00:20:33.000 And they look to people like me who they make an example out of to show this is just a hint of what will happen to you if you dare to go against us, if you dare to challenge us.

00:20:46.000 And so, yes, it is about money.

00:20:48.000 It's about, and I've seen this happen in real time on the House floor where threats will be made.

00:20:54.000 Hey, if you don't vote the way we want you to vote, we are going to take away the $5, $10 million that we set aside to help you with your reelection campaign.

00:21:05.000 They will call the big donors and say, hey, withhold money from this Democrat in office.

00:21:11.000 We don't want to support them.

00:21:13.000 Or they'll find people to run against you.

00:21:15.000 Or they'll talk to their friends in the mainstream media and say, hey, we're going to feed you some information to run a hit piece on this person and try to smear and undermine their character.

00:21:25.000 They will use all the levers of power available to them.

00:21:28.000 And even going so far as what we're seeing now, that's being used where they're weaponizing the Department of Justice to go after people who challenge them and challenge their power.

00:21:38.000 It's very effective.

00:21:39.000 And we know that it's effective because of the self-censorship that takes place.

00:21:44.000 And the fact that we don't have a single Democrat in Congress, not a single Democrat in the House or the Senate who's had the courage to stand up and say the most obvious objective truth, which is there are biological differences between men and women and boys and girls.

00:22:00.000 At a basic level, any clear-headed American person, human, can know, yes, there are biological differences between boys and girls, period.

00:22:10.000 That is an objective truth.

00:22:13.000 The censorship and the fear that has been put in place for all these people shows how effective it is.

00:22:23.000 This is how a mafia works.

00:22:24.000 This is not how an American political party operates.

00:22:29.000 They try to cover this up, what they're doing to undermine our freedom, undermine our democracy, create this culture of fear and cancellation.

00:22:38.000 They do this while simultaneously saying that they're just trying to save democracy.

00:22:43.000 They're trying to protect the American people from the dictator, the quote-unquote dictator Donald Trump from being elected because he will destroy America.

00:22:51.000 They are doing it right before our very eyes and trying to distract us away from that by fomenting fear and looking at the other direction and one that is based on insane arguments.

00:23:03.000 Yeah, I mean, for you saying that there's biological differences between men and women, you're now a transphobe for saying such things.

00:23:11.000 And they'll pick at your next book event.

00:23:15.000 And that it is a street gang that has turned into a political party.

00:23:21.000 The book is very important.

00:23:22.000 I encourage you guys to check it out, Tulsi Gabbard, for love of country.

00:23:24.000 I want to challenge the audience: go buy five copies and give it to a liberal in your life that might be not thrilled with what's happening.

00:23:32.000 Give this book, have them read it, because look at me, you could send them a Charlie Kirk book, but that's not as persuasive.

00:23:38.000 Tulsi Gabbard was a darling of the Democrat Party.

00:23:41.000 She wore the first, she wore the uniform of the country, but she also wore the jersey of the Democrat Party.

00:23:46.000 She ran for president. 0.93

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00:25:05.000 I want to go through some of the titles here of the chapters: The End of Democracy, Fading Light of Freedom.

00:25:11.000 So I'm going to go to one of these recently.

00:25:13.000 So in the last couple of weeks, we saw the FISA vote, and more Republicans than Democrats were skeptical of the FISA vote.

00:25:23.000 Now, it wasn't perfect.

00:25:24.000 There were plenty of Republicans that disappointed me, and we were very outspoken about it.

00:25:27.000 But for whatever reason, the Democrat, as a percentage, the party, shockingly, was more in favor of the security state and the security apparatus, which I'm old enough to remember.

00:25:39.000 That used to be a core pillar of base Democrat politics in the George W. Bush era of how dare you spy on me, Patriot Act.

00:25:47.000 What changed, Tulsi Gabbard?

00:25:49.000 Power and control.

00:25:51.000 You know, you're exactly right.

00:25:52.000 I go back to 2002 when I was 21 years old and I first joined the Democratic Party.

00:25:58.000 And that was one of the things that drew me to that party over the Republican Party because I saw a party that celebrated free speech.

00:26:06.000 I saw them working with the ACLU at the time to defend free speech, even speech that they didn't like.

00:26:12.000 I saw a party that took seriously the need to defend and protect our civil liberties and a party that fought for the little guy.

00:26:21.000 Fast forward to where we are today.

00:26:24.000 It is.

00:26:24.000 I mean, you've given a foremost and very important example of how the party that I joined, the party of JFK, the party of Martin Luther King, is no longer recognizable today.

00:26:36.000 And that vote was such a critical example of how far things have gone.

00:26:42.000 You know, they vote to give the executive branch, President Biden's administration, more power to conduct warrantless surveillance against fellow Americans.

00:26:54.000 Why do they do this?

00:26:55.000 Because they are currently using these powers against their political opponents.

00:27:01.000 So they're so short-sighted into seeing this as advantageous for themselves, not even thinking through, well, you all are setting a very dangerous precedent here.

00:27:11.000 What are you going to do if power shifts in the other direction? 0.77

00:27:16.000 And now another administration may say, hey, you guys did this to us for four freaking years. 0.69

00:27:22.000 Fair game.

00:27:23.000 We're going to turn the tables around you and find an excuse to use these same authorities against you, the new political opposition.

00:27:32.000 This is something that I have a hard time wrapping my head around, how short-sighted these people are to not understand this fundamental reality.

00:27:42.000 And the same goes for the defense of free speech and why we should defend the right of free speech for everyone.

00:27:48.000 You do such a great job, Charlie, in your conversations on college campuses and in public venues where you encourage people, people who may strongly disagree with you.

00:27:57.000 Hey, tell me what your views are.

00:27:59.000 And then, of course, you can defeat their ideas, not by silencing them or shouting them down or not letting them in the building, but with a superior argument and superior ideas.

00:28:11.000 That's the heart of a thriving marketplace of ideas in this country.

00:28:16.000 And the fact that people who are pushing for and enacting censorship and telling us that the freedom of, you know, the First Amendment, probably not really relevant today because we need to ban offensive speech or hate speech or misinformation or disinformation for the good of the people, because we know what's best for you more than you do.

00:28:35.000 They don't see how dangerous that is in undermining our very identity of who we are as a country and what it means to be an American and live in a free society.

00:28:43.000 Yeah, it turns out for at least the oligarchs on the left that free speech was a means, not an end, that they were cool with free speech as long as it was challenging right-wing politics.

00:28:55.000 But as soon as they got in power, they're like, actually, no, we don't believe in free speech.

00:28:58.000 Shut everybody up. 0.71

00:28:59.000 Your thoughts, Tulsa. 1.00

00:29:00.000 That's right.

00:29:01.000 Yeah, no, it's exactly right.

00:29:03.000 And we've seen over time how these are things that are not just discussed in hushed tones in the dark back rooms of the Democratic National Committee.

00:29:13.000 These are things that are now openly being propagated.

00:29:16.000 And an entire generation of young people who haven't been really truly taught about our country's history, about the intent of our founding fathers, what does the Constitution really mean?

00:29:28.000 They haven't been taught this in school.

00:29:31.000 And so now we see them on the college campuses and we see them having some kind of conversation where they are afraid of hearing speech that they find offensive and believe that it should be banned, which is the worst case scenario.

00:29:46.000 And so we shouldn't be surprised then to see what's happening on our college campuses today with all of these protests happening and how so many of these college students are falling susceptible to this radical Islamist ideology that's being propagated by Islamist terrorist groups like Hamas because they're not rooted in an ideology of fundamental freedom and how critical it is and what that actually

00:30:16.000 actually means in our everyday lives.

00:30:19.000 And we have President Biden who is terrified of being called an Islamophobe and so therefore says nothing about the radical Islamist ideology that is infecting the minds of so many people.

00:30:32.000 And he can't just take a stand for freedom and make that counter argument, again, as you do, about how our ideology of freedom in this country is far superior than that of the radical Ismist ideology that they want to lead to Islamic rule being enacted around the world. 0.93

00:30:51.000 In your book, you have a chapter that says they see God as the enemy.

00:30:59.000 The Democrat Party is increasingly secular and hostile to the belief in the divine.

00:31:05.000 Tell us how you describe it in both the book and in your journey these last couple of years and make the case that the Democrat Party sees God as an enemy.

00:31:14.000 I go into the book and kind of a walkthrough history of how the Democrat elite in Washington have increasingly, as you said, become more secular, but even beyond that, are trying to erase God from every facet of our public lives.

00:31:32.000 I was in Congress maybe barely two weeks in early 2013 when I got a call asking if I would be vice chair of the DNC.

00:31:41.000 I had no, I've literally said, what is a vice chair of the DNC?

00:31:45.000 What do you really want from me?

00:31:46.000 What do you want me to do here?

00:31:47.000 I accepted because I thought, hey, this will be an opportunity for me to try to make a positive impact in the Democratic National Party.

00:31:54.000 But part of that entailed going and traveling and doing different events across the country with the DNC.

00:31:59.000 And what I experienced and witnessed in some cases was pretty chilling to me, where if someone stood up to offer a prayer to kick off the meeting, how certain officials from usually Washington would have kind of a physical negative reaction to prayer or to the mention of God.

00:32:24.000 And I only saw that increase over time where even any mention of God at the Democratic National Convention has all but been eliminated completely.

00:32:37.000 We saw in the virtual convention of 2020 how even saying the Pledge of Allegiance and saying one nation under God was too much.

00:32:43.000 It was a line too far.

00:32:45.000 So they just said one nation.

00:32:48.000 Silence.

00:32:50.000 It takes us to why.

00:32:57.000 Why are they so strongly rejecting God?

00:33:00.000 Why are they so uncomfortable with the mention of God?

00:33:07.000 Why are they trying to impose that on Americans across this country, especially targeting Christians?

00:33:13.000 It's because they see themselves as God.

00:33:15.000 They see themselves as the authority who should be the one who gets to tell the American people what is true and what is false.

00:33:23.000 They try to tell us how to live our lives.

00:33:25.000 They try to exert their control in every aspect of our lives, believing with the central bank digital currency, for example, that they should be able to control what we spend our money on, that they should be able to control what we're allowed to say and who we're allowed to say it to, what kind of information we are allowed to receive.

00:33:44.000 And as we're seeing in this election, who we should be allowed to vote for.

00:33:50.000 We don't have to look very far in the world's history to see the evil that comes from dictators in other parts of the world who believe that they are God and that they are therefore then justified in whatever actions they take.

00:34:07.000 That's what's happening here right now with the Democrat elite.

00:34:10.000 They are justifying their actions and undermining our freedom, exerting their control over us all because they believe they are pursuing a righteous cause.

00:34:20.000 They believe that they and they alone can save us, the American people, and that they know what's best for us so much so that they're willing to destroy our democracy and undermine our freedom to quote unquote save democracy and protect us from making what they believe would be the wrong choice in this election and the wrong choice, obviously, being Donald Trump.

00:34:43.000 Well, that is a perfect segue.

00:34:46.000 I want to, you say, leave the Democrat Party behind.

00:34:50.000 Is it time to join the America First Donald Trump movement?

00:34:55.000 I have always been Team America, Charlie.

00:34:58.000 I'm in a unique position right now where I know that I can have an impact on this election, which really is more than Democrats and Republicans.

00:35:08.000 And I know you know this because you speak the truth and you call people out who deserve to be called out.

00:35:15.000 This election really is about the elite versus the people.

00:35:18.000 And it is about the Constitution and freedom and putting America first over those who put themselves or their political party's interest first, which is embodied by Joe Biden and the Democrat elite.

00:35:32.000 So having walked the path that I've been through, I want to maximize the position that I am in now to be able to connect with those Democrats who are frustrated, to be able to connect with those independents who feel politically homeless and to speak to them in a way that they may not be willing to hear from someone else in a different place who's had a different experience.

00:35:56.000 So I've never been a party person, even for as long as I've been a Democrat, which pissed a lot of people off in the Democratic Party.

00:36:07.000 I am America first.

00:36:09.000 I am for love of country doing all that I can to save our country and defend our freedom.

00:36:14.000 And we'll do everything between now and November 5th to make sure that we do.

00:36:18.000 Check out Tulsi's book.

00:36:20.000 What an important and powerful voice for our country.

00:36:22.000 And she loves her country.

00:36:24.000 I wish our leaders did.

00:36:25.000 For love of country, leave the Democrat Party behind.

00:36:30.000 So Tulsi, I have to ask everybody in the chat is just demanding an answer, and you can handle it diplomatically.

00:36:36.000 Would you consider being Donald Trump's vice president?

00:36:39.000 I would.

00:36:40.000 I would.

00:36:40.000 If he asked me to serve alongside him, I would be honored to do so, to serve my country in that way and to bring the experience and, frankly, the strength and courage that comes from that experience to bring about the real transformational change that I know he seeks to bring about to our country's government and that our country actually needs to take border security seriously,

00:37:06.000 actually secure our border, to root out the corruption that is so deeply entrenched in so many of our government institutions and bring about what is truly a government of by and for the people.

00:37:18.000 Too many politicians in Washington, you know, they'll try to tweak around the edges and make it sound like they've done something to bring about some real change, but the rot is deep.

00:37:29.000 And we need leaders of courage who will stand up to the pressures of the Washington establishment that comes from both parties to do what's right and make sure that our government is actually focused on serving the well-being of the American people rather than seeing us as their minions who only exist to serve them and their interests.

00:37:51.000 Tulsi, in closing here, I think this is important.

00:37:54.000 You have kind of done the Democrat circuit and now the conservative circuit.

00:37:59.000 And you've had an opportunity to get meet the leaders of the Democrat Party and the conservative movement.

00:38:05.000 What do the, for example, you're speaking at our event in Detroit, we're super thrilled.

00:38:08.000 What are the things in common, the differences, the things that have changed?

00:38:14.000 Because I don't spend a lot of time around Democrat oligarchs.

00:38:18.000 What impressions do you have kind of doing the more conservative America First Circuit these last couple of years?

00:38:25.000 I'll give you the, I think, the most important contrast that I've experienced because it speaks to the call to action that I have in my book about how we as Americans need to step up to the plate and take action to save our country.

00:38:42.000 Constantly and increasingly so over these last several years in the Democratic Party, I experienced these purity tests that they exact on everyone.

00:38:50.000 It's like, okay, well, you know, tolerance is not enough.

00:38:54.000 You have to go to acceptance.

00:38:56.000 You have to go to celebration.

00:38:57.000 You have to go and like, if you're not out on a soapbox on the side of the street proclaiming, you know, the trans ideology or whatever the woke agenda is of the day, then you're just not good enough.

00:39:10.000 It is quite an exclusive mentality of saying whether you measure up, are you a good enough, loud enough, mad enough social justice or I, you know, during Trump's presidency, I even had people coming and complaining to me as a member of Congress every Tuesday in my office, they would show up, whether I was there or not, and complain that I wasn't protesting Donald Trump, that I wasn't angry enough, that I wasn't screaming and shouting enough, and all of this, this nonsense.

00:39:37.000 And then you compare that to August of 2022.

00:39:41.000 I was invited to speak at CPAC.

00:39:44.000 I didn't know what to expect, but I said, yes, of course I will come and speak.

00:39:48.000 The organizers, Matt and Mercedes, backstage as I was about to go out front and start my speech.

00:39:53.000 They're like, Tulsi, we don't know how our people are going to react to you.

00:39:58.000 And I joked and I was like, you think they're going to throw rotten tomatoes or what?

00:40:01.000 And they were honestly like, we want to walk out with you because we just don't know.

00:40:05.000 They might.

00:40:07.000 But what I experienced was the exact opposite of that.

00:40:09.000 I delivered a message about my love of our country and our freedom and what we need to do as a country to make sure that we stop those who are destroying our country.

00:40:20.000 And I was received with such warmth and positivity and optimism from people that I felt truly love our country.

00:40:28.000 And that's been my experience in so many different parts of the country, different groups of people knowing like, hey, we may not agree on every issue or we have different ideas on how to solve problems, but I was welcomed because they know or at least got a glimpse of my heart and why I'm doing what I'm doing.

00:40:48.000 And that's where I just encourage people as we head into this next election.

00:40:52.000 And the closing message of my book is we have a responsibility as citizens of this country who cherish peace and freedom to step up and take action now, knowing that our founders didn't agree on everything either, but they came together around these fundamental principles of freedom.

00:41:09.000 So know that you can make a difference with your vote, but more importantly, look at your phone.

00:41:14.000 Look at how many people are in your phone.

00:41:16.000 Make those calls to friends of yours who you may haven't talked to for a while.

00:41:19.000 Maybe you have some political differences, but remind them about what's most important and listen.

00:41:25.000 Extend that welcoming hand and we can save this country together.

00:41:28.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

00:41:30.000 Tulsi, God bless you.

00:41:31.000 Thank you so much.

00:41:34.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:41:35.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:41:38.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:41:42.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 10, 2024

Why "Democrats" Are Against "Democracy" with Tulsi Gabbard

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