The Charlie Kirk Show - Why did Women Move Left, While Men Didn't?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back.

00:01:10.000 Hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show is underway, and we have Sean Davis, co-founder and CEO of the Federalists, joining us.

00:01:16.000 Sean, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 Good to have you, my friend.

00:01:20.000 Good to be back.

00:01:21.000 Thank you.

00:01:22.000 I called you about this story because I am raising a five-alarm fire for the state of Virginia.

00:01:30.000 What is happening there, I think, is a precursor that portends ill for the entire country, especially with the midterms.

00:01:37.000 You get a lot of people talking about, oh, I don't feel good about the midterms.

00:01:40.000 I think we can win the midterms.

00:01:42.000 I think the economic numbers are going to give us win to our sales, but it's going to be an uphill battle.

00:01:46.000 Plus, you got the Senate races, you got House races that are going to be hotly contested, governor's mansions, all of those races in between.

00:01:53.000 Tell us about Virginia.

00:01:55.000 You've spent a lot of time in Virginia.

00:01:56.000 Your partner Molly's based in Virginia, I believe, over at the Federalist.

00:02:00.000 And I mean, we all have a lot of friends there.

00:02:03.000 This is bad.

00:02:05.000 What they are doing in a matter of days, this is like the shock and awe first hundred days of the Trump administration, only Democrat style in a blue state that only went for Kamala Harris by six points.

00:02:18.000 With a legislature that will pass things.

00:02:20.000 With a legislature that will high-minded Democrats will actually pass things, unlike, you know, our rowdy bunch of congressional folks that are very independent-minded.

00:02:31.000 Sean, what do you make of this?

00:02:33.000 Yeah, Virginia is fascinating because yes, in presidentials, it's been blue, I think, since 08, but it's not that blue of a state.

00:02:41.000 So they just had a red governor in Glenn Youngkin for four years.

00:02:45.000 It's not uncommon for them to have red majorities in the state legislature in either house.

00:02:50.000 So this isn't a massive blue state like a Vermont or a Massachusetts or New York.

00:02:56.000 It's actually pretty purple.

00:02:57.000 A lot of people like to analogize it to Colorado.

00:03:00.000 It's not.

00:03:01.000 It's definitely more towards the center than Colorado, but it's faced a similar takeover.

00:03:06.000 And I think what's happening there is a major microcosm, a really important microcosm for what's happening in the country writ large.

00:03:14.000 And you're seeing it in this woman, Abigail Spamberger, a career Democrat, was a former CIA stooge.

00:03:21.000 She presents as a moderate.

00:03:23.000 Oh, look, I'm just like a pretty blonde, nice, moderate lady, when she is a radical left-wing ideologue. 0.53

00:03:30.000 And when she came in, despite Virginia not being a super blue state, she does what Democrats always do because Democrats understand power.

00:03:38.000 She's going in, and even though she only got, you know, we'll say like 55% of the vote, whatever it is, she's not saying, oh, we're only going to do 55% of what we want.

00:03:46.000 We are going to do 100% what we want because you can't do anything to stop it.

00:03:50.000 And it's scary because the Democrat Party's become so radical.

00:03:54.000 It's abortion on demand. 1.00

00:03:56.000 It's gutting a law that protected babies who survived abortions. 0.99

00:04:00.000 It's making illegal immigration enforcement illegal itself.

00:04:04.000 It's making the whole state a sanctuary.

00:04:06.000 It's banning guns.

00:04:07.000 It's doing speech crackdowns.

00:04:09.000 When Democrats get in power because they understand power, they wield it ruthlessly.

00:04:15.000 And quite honestly, as horrifying as I find what she's doing, I'm honestly jealous because I would love to have a party representing me all throughout Washington, not just in the White House, that understands power, how to attain it, how to maintain it, and how to wield it.

00:04:28.000 Because the Democrats are putting on an absolute clinic in what you actually do when you're in power.

00:04:33.000 Yeah, that's really well said.

00:04:35.000 Sean, we were talking during, so you've seen all the abortion stuff, but this really remarkable one that was introduced yesterday, which it would only, it's a simple bill to rewrite that when a state agency is administering federal funds, they are not allowed to impose a requirement on nonprofits to check whether anyone receiving a benefit is eligible for that benefit.

00:05:00.000 Which is remarkable.

00:05:01.000 So their lesson that they are gleaning from the Somali fraud scheme that has robbed U.S. taxpayers of probably anywhere between 10 and 19, 20 billion dollars and counting. 0.96

00:05:13.000 We'll see how big it gets when we start uncovering Washington.

00:05:16.000 We start uncovering Maine.

00:05:17.000 I'm told there are new immigration crackdowns happening in Maine right now targeting the Somali community.

00:05:23.000 But their takeaway from this is that we want to block oversight.

00:05:28.000 We want to block accountability.

00:05:30.000 And I just cannot get over this, Sean, that anything we do, even if it makes sense, even if we cure cancer, their party's reaction is to run the other way and to just put their head in the sand, complete ostrich, act like it didn't happen, and defend what they think are their values.

00:05:51.000 What are their values here, Sean?

00:05:53.000 That they like fraud?

00:05:54.000 That they like misuse of taxpayer funding?

00:05:58.000 And there has to be a federal response to stuff that is this insane.

00:06:02.000 But I don't know if this is a psychological dilemma.

00:06:04.000 I don't know if this is something that needs to be studied from a sociological level, but this is patently insane.

00:06:11.000 And I cannot, for the life of me, look at what Donald Trump and the president, immigration, economic, what we're accomplishing, and see why they hate it so much.

00:06:19.000 Oh, I think it's easy.

00:06:20.000 It's an uncomfortable answer, but it's an easy one in that it's entirely spiritual.

00:06:25.000 If you look at something and you want to figure out which one is the good side and which is the bad side, look at the side that wants things to be ugly and chaotic and disorderly and manic.

00:06:35.000 That's the bad side.

00:06:36.000 Look at the side that wants to make things beautiful, that believes in order and putting things where they belong.

00:06:42.000 That's the good side.

00:06:43.000 And it's because the good reflects our creator who is perfect and good and orderly.

00:06:48.000 We worship and we were made by a God of order, not a God of chaos.

00:06:53.000 So I think it is absolutely spiritual at its very core.

00:06:57.000 And we're never going to get around that.

00:06:59.000 So often we try to talk around it and be like, well, it's about ideologies and philosophies and blah, blah, blah.

00:07:04.000 That's all downstream from your worldview, which is built on a foundation of where you see yourself in the cosmic order, whether you believe in a great creator, whether you believe in inherent good and inherent evil.

00:07:15.000 The Democrat Party is evil.

00:07:16.000 Let's just come out and say it. 1.00

00:07:18.000 It's why it wants to kill babies. 1.00

00:07:18.000 It's evil. 1.00

00:07:20.000 It's why it wants to eviscerate borders. 0.99

00:07:22.000 It's why it wants to eliminate mandatory minimum sentence for rapists, for child exploiters, for people who attack cops, for people guilty of manslaughter and murder.

00:07:30.000 And I will say on Spam Burger, again, Democrats understand power.

00:07:35.000 You'll hear Republicans when they get in power because they're terrified of wielding it say things like, well, politics is the art of the possible.

00:07:43.000 And they'll lecture you very smugly on it.

00:07:46.000 Politics is about rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies.

00:07:46.000 No, it's not.

00:07:50.000 And the Democrats do it brilliantly. 0.98

00:07:53.000 So the foreigners, the Somalis, the scamsters, the fraudsters, that is the Democrat Party's base. 1.00

00:08:00.000 That is who is being rewarded here. 0.87

00:08:02.000 The Democrat Party cannot exist without shipping these people in, making them rich, and getting them to use their fraud bucks to elect more Democrats.

00:08:08.000 So that's what they're doing.

00:08:09.000 And again, there is a lesson here for Republicans to learn.

00:08:13.000 I'm sure they're going to learn the wrong one.

00:08:15.000 But the lesson here is when you get in power, you wield it ruthlessly and you support the people who put you there.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, you know, probably I'm naive, Sean, but when you say that politics is about punishing your enemies and rewarding your friends, there's like this part of me that, you know, remembers, you know, watching the World War II movies and the John Wayne movies and like, I gotta think, you know, that we as Americans can, you know, band together at some sort of elevated pitch than that because, man, that's that's a really dark reality.

00:08:44.000 I don't disagree with you functionally.

00:08:46.000 You know, I think of this in terms of the American empire, right?

00:08:49.000 Like, you know, listen, we're gonna, we're gonna exert our force abroad because we're the most powerful and we're gonna take care of our own our own people.

00:08:56.000 I totally get that.

00:08:57.000 But when you come to the domestic front, but you hope that it's gonna be different, but it's hard to disagree with you, man.

00:09:04.000 It's hard to disagree with you that when you are confronted by an ideological force that is so dark that is killing babies, that wants chaos, that wants criminals on its streets. 0.85

00:09:14.000 I mean, this is what they're doing. 0.99

00:09:15.000 They're defending criminal illegals that are child rapist. 1.00

00:09:18.000 They're very evil. 1.00

00:09:19.000 I actually will, I actually do a little disagree with this.

00:09:23.000 It's all about rewarding friends, punishing enemies.

00:09:23.000 You hear this.

00:09:26.000 It's this Carl Schmidt thing.

00:09:29.000 We can talk about him sometime.

00:09:30.000 You've sparked a debate here.

00:09:33.000 Oh, it definitely will.

00:09:34.000 It definitely will. 0.88

00:09:35.000 But I think it is important to message, like, don't be a wuss. 0.99

00:09:40.000 Don't be a coward. 0.98

00:09:41.000 And, like, actually think about what you're able to do because Republicans love to just be inert. 0.99

00:09:45.000 They're kind of lazy.

00:09:46.000 It's like, think about all the DEI departments that just sat around and read states forever.

00:09:50.000 That's not, you don't need to frame that in terms of, oh, reward allies punish enemies. 1.00

00:09:54.000 You just frame that in terms of don't don't be an idiot. 1.00

00:09:57.000 Don't do things that are obviously against your values. 1.00

00:10:00.000 But they're not lazy.

00:10:02.000 Ask Zelensky how lazy they are. 0.98

00:10:04.000 They will shovel bucks at America into that little midget's mouth faster than you can blink. 1.00

00:10:09.000 They're not lazy. 1.00

00:10:10.000 They're cowards. 0.98

00:10:11.000 And they have a very different idea of who they're supposed to be serving than we are. 1.00

00:10:14.000 And I think that's the main problem.

00:10:16.000 Yeah, and by the way, Sean, I completely agree with you.

00:10:19.000 This is a spiritual war.

00:10:20.000 I've got a clip from Charlie teed up that we're going to play on the other side of his break that underscores your point.

00:10:26.000 And I completely agree.

00:10:27.000 At some level, the insanity just becomes so brazen and so, you know, nonsensical that it's what it has to be.

00:10:36.000 It's demonic.

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00:11:49.000 All right, Sean Davis, just to underscore your point, you are the co-founder and CEO of the Federalist, great publication.

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00:12:01.000 I'm going to play, this is Charlie with Tucker talking about this exact thing, 351.

00:12:06.000 This is why your faith is the most important thing.

00:12:09.000 Because for those of us that are Christians, you actually see what's going on, which is that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and darkness and spirits, that there is a spiritual war here.

00:12:22.000 There is a God, and we are not him.

00:12:25.000 That there is an entire dimension of angels and demons and spirits that are constantly struggling around us, and that there is a supernatural dimension.

00:12:36.000 Charlie was super tuned into this.

00:12:38.000 I think we are as well here, Sean.

00:12:40.000 So I totally agree.

00:12:41.000 I don't know how else you explain the insanity that we've lived under.

00:12:44.000 And it almost feels like in the era of Trump, it's like the demons are shrieking.

00:12:49.000 And so now they're just, it's like total mask off.

00:12:51.000 The veil is torn.

00:12:52.000 They're out in the open amongst us.

00:12:54.000 Because how else do you explain the radicalness and the brazenness of a D plus six state going full Marxist, going full Marxist?

00:13:05.000 But I digress.

00:13:06.000 Sean, unless you want to chime in on that.

00:13:09.000 But I do want to talk about the year in review. 0.99

00:13:11.000 For me, kind of the, it was made obvious as the whole trans thing reared its disgusting little head. 1.00

00:13:18.000 If you can't agree on just the basis of reality of whether boys or boys are girls and girls, clearly there's something going on, but beyond the conscious rational level, and it can only be spiritual.

00:13:29.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:30.000 Okay, so that's the bad and the ugly, but there is good happening.

00:13:34.000 One year in review of President Trump.

00:13:36.000 Let's just play part one of this, 347.

00:13:38.000 Our sovereignty will be reclaimed.

00:13:41.000 There have been 92 people charged in this fraud scheme in Minnesota.

00:13:45.000 Maduro, Venezuela, what they're doing, they're trying to kill our kids.

00:13:48.000 They're trying to bring drugs into our country. 0.83

00:13:49.000 It's not going to happen.

00:13:50.000 We're going to come after you.

00:13:51.000 Captured Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro sits in the federal jail in Brooklyn, escorted by Drug Enforcement Administrator Terry Cole.

00:14:00.000 Thanks to the relentless work of our prosecutors and our federal agents, El Mayo will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

00:14:09.000 Our safety will be restored.

00:14:11.000 Murders in the U.S. are on pace for the largest one-year drop.

00:14:14.000 Metro police say homicides and robberies are at multi-year lows.

00:14:18.000 The numbers released by DC police show a safer year for the city in 2025.

00:14:24.000 And that's just part one.

00:14:25.000 There's a part two that the administration put that out.

00:14:27.000 I thought it was fair and it kind of highlighted and reminded me of some things.

00:14:30.000 RFK Jr. was on with Jesse Waters last night on Fox.

00:14:33.000 He said that, you know, he was asked, what was your number one accomplishment?

00:14:37.000 And it kind of surprised people.

00:14:38.000 And he said, what was actually most favored nation?

00:14:40.000 Drug prices are dropping.

00:14:41.000 Trump used tariffs to leverage as leverage to negotiate with European partners and drug companies.

00:14:47.000 A lot of good stuff is happening.

00:14:48.000 Sean, in a historic sense, put this, put Trump's one year in office in context for us.

00:14:55.000 How good has it been?

00:14:56.000 What would you like to see more of?

00:14:58.000 Well, I think it's been spectacular.

00:14:59.000 You know, Trump has been putting points on the board across the board.

00:15:03.000 He's completely sealed the border.

00:15:06.000 He's fixed the border.

00:15:06.000 He's dealing with immigration.

00:15:08.000 He's doing mass deportations. 1.00

00:15:10.000 He's made America safer, number one, by not doing stupid nonsense everywhere. 0.95

00:15:15.000 And number two, by actually going and dealing with threats discreetly as he finds them and then just leaving it at that. 0.91

00:15:21.000 A good example there would be the Iran nuclear threat, which he dispatched, and then going in and kidnapping the dictator of Venezuela like he's some sort of historical artifact in a Nick Cage heist movie. 0.58

00:15:33.000 Then you have the Maha stuff.

00:15:35.000 You have RFK Jr. kind of resetting these insane vaccine schedules that we had for babies.

00:15:40.000 He's fixed the food pyramid, which for decades was nonsense and was just telling people, yeah, yeah, you need to be just gorging yourselves on carbs because that's what your body needs.

00:15:50.000 So we've seen changes on that.

00:15:52.000 Where I think we've really been lacking, and this isn't a Trump problem at all.

00:15:56.000 It goes back to what we were talking about earlier, is total inaction and an unwillingness to do what needs to be done in the Republican Congress.

00:16:04.000 And what we've learned is that having a great president is great.

00:16:07.000 It's indispensable.

00:16:08.000 You can't get things done without a great president.

00:16:11.000 But you need more than just a president doing stuff as the head of the executive branch.

00:16:15.000 You have to have people making everything he's doing permanent law.

00:16:19.000 You have to have them going and permanent.

00:16:22.000 So nuke the filibuster. 0.98

00:16:24.000 But nuke the filibuster if you can pass stuff.

00:16:27.000 But to your point, it would actually make a zombie Congress actually do stuff again.

00:16:31.000 It would.

00:16:32.000 It would make Congress real.

00:16:34.000 But that, well, it might be that you make Congress real only so people can really very clearly see the members of their own party who are.

00:16:42.000 It's like you put on the they live glasses and see what the reality is.

00:16:45.000 But at least we have the veto with President Trump right now.

00:16:47.000 I mean, so if they pass crazy stuff, okay, we get the veto.

00:16:51.000 And then, you know, hopefully by 2028, we regain some mojo.

00:16:55.000 You know, I don't know.

00:16:57.000 I'm becoming way more convinced that the only way to make this fake, you know, democracy kind of thing that we've got going on right now, where it's basically ruled by executive order and Congress is completely paralyzed, is you got to nuke the filibuster.

00:17:10.000 Let the cards out on the table.

00:17:12.000 Let's see where things lie.

00:17:13.000 I mean, I know there's risk in that, but there's no other option to get immigration fixed. 1.00

00:17:17.000 There's no other option to get voter ID fixed.

00:17:19.000 Sean.

00:17:19.000 Well, yeah, so I agree.

00:17:21.000 I think in a vacuum, you know, it's easier to pass things with 50 plus one than it is with 60.

00:17:26.000 But the problem is the composition of that 50 plus one.

00:17:29.000 And I think if we were to go in and nuke the filibuster today, I don't think they would pass anything.

00:17:34.000 I really don't.

00:17:35.000 I think the composition of Republicans in Washington is such a huge problem that what we actually would need if we wanted to get things passed was move the threshold down to about 35.

00:17:45.000 I think then you could actually get Republicans to do stuff.

00:17:47.000 And so I think it's really, really important, especially as we're heading into a primary season.

00:17:51.000 Republican voters have to wake up.

00:17:53.000 It's not enough to send a Republican to Washington.

00:17:56.000 You have to send the right Republicans to Washington.

00:17:59.000 And if you don't, it doesn't matter what your vote threshold is.

00:18:02.000 They'll find a reason to not do anything.

00:18:04.000 Sean, what we need to do is we need to have you back on with Tyler, and we need to go through a list of the races and give people direction on it.

00:18:11.000 Honestly, we need to go race by race.

00:18:13.000 Let's do that soon, my friend.

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00:19:28.000 Vittorio, you are joining us now.

00:19:30.000 You had, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:19:33.000 It's great to have you.

00:19:36.000 We talked earlier this morning, just prepping for this.

00:19:38.000 There was a Bill Ackman tweet where political scientists, DataQuants, have been telling us this for a half decade.

00:19:46.000 Women have moved radically leftward at a scale and speed with no modern precedent, while men have, on the whole, remained largely steady and unchanged. 0.77

00:19:55.000 You, and Bill Ackman, asked the question, why?

00:19:58.000 And you responded.

00:19:59.000 And you wrote this really amazing article that went viral across the internet.

00:20:03.000 I'd never seen your account before that, but now I've seen you multiple places.

00:20:07.000 You're now in the algorithm everywhere.

00:20:08.000 So congrats on breaking through.

00:20:10.000 And so please, welcome to the show and tell us, give us the basis of your thesis here.

00:20:17.000 Well, thanks for having me.

00:20:18.000 It's a pleasure to be here.

00:20:20.000 My thesis, I don't know.

00:20:21.000 Personally speaking, I don't think I've enlightened people.

00:20:27.000 I mean, I just tried to put together things that I thought were known.

00:20:32.000 But first, I'm really glad that it was well perceived and well received.

00:20:37.000 But my core thesis is that because of some reason, there was this convergence of different technologies that allowed this to happen.

00:20:48.000 And the reason for this happening is that men and women are just fundamentally different.

00:20:56.000 And we can't really do anything about this.

00:20:59.000 A shocking statement.

00:21:00.000 We evolved under different apparently, yes, but biological men, biological women are fundamentally different.

00:21:11.000 And we evolved under different kinds of selection pressure, under kind of evolutionary pressure that were very different.

00:21:20.000 And that's because we're biologically different.

00:21:22.000 I mean, we are a dimorphic species.

00:21:25.000 We evolve as men and women.

00:21:27.000 And we have very different kinds of characteristics, like just, I mean, on a very simple level in terms of strength.

00:21:37.000 And so women need more defense. 1.00

00:21:40.000 And men don't necessarily have this.

00:21:42.000 So women to be protected, they need something that keeps them safe. 1.00

00:21:46.000 And once the safety lacks, because they don't have, I would say, strong, a good man in their life, then they need to find protection and safety into the group.

00:21:58.000 And this, when technologies as like social media and smartphones are available, then the consensus comes from the group.

00:22:08.000 Like the group gives you the consensus, gives you this protection.

00:22:12.000 And so it's much more easy for them to be polarized because they need to be in agreement with the group to feel a sense of belonging.

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 And you say, you describe social media, the rise of social media, as basically the triggering event.

00:22:26.000 And I thought, this is something that I've thought for a long time.

00:22:28.000 So to your earlier point, these are ideas that I've sort of known and I've been thinking around, but you concisely put it into this one article.

00:22:38.000 And it's basically like you got Facebook launched in 2004.

00:22:41.000 It was college until 2006.

00:22:43.000 The iPhone launches in 2007.

00:22:45.000 But then in about 2012, 13, and 14, you have mass adoption of smartphones.

00:22:52.000 And that's about when you start seeing this really radical divergence.

00:22:57.000 And it's not just an American phenomenon.

00:22:58.000 This is what you point out in graph 355.

00:23:02.000 This is, I believe we showed this graph when Charlie was around with us, and he marveled at this as well.

00:23:09.000 So South Korea, US, Germany, UK, you get this massive divergence between men and women.

00:23:15.000 Now, this graph sort of makes it look like men are getting more right-wing, but actually the data shows that men are sort of staying stable.

00:23:22.000 Women are becoming more radicalized. 1.00

00:23:25.000 But you describe the forcing function as that the internet is a giant algorithmic consensus builder.

00:23:33.000 What do you mean by that?

00:23:35.000 And why does that affect women more than men?

00:23:38.000 Well, because I so it's it's common to blame social media and people who design social media, Facebook or whatever.

00:23:46.000 But I don't think that social media wants this to happen, or at least the owners of social media want this to happen, is that the platform have to be optimized for engagement and time spent on the platform.

00:24:00.000 So like if you want to create revenue as a business, you need to optimize the time that people spend using your business.

00:24:06.000 And in case of social media, they need to spend time on it.

00:24:09.000 And men and women react differently to different news.

00:24:13.000 And women are like, this is known that we have different personalities. 1.00

00:24:17.000 Women are more empathetic. 1.00

00:24:19.000 Women are more agreeable. 1.00

00:24:20.000 Women have a higher neuroticism. 1.00

00:24:23.000 So a news and an event that makes them feel more empathetic and present some kind of suffering resonates more with women than with men.

00:24:37.000 And still going back to the fact that women are physically weaker than men, women are easier to complain than men. 1.00

00:24:46.000 Like we grew up and like it's always been known that if a man was complaining, he had to grow a pair and just men up.

00:24:56.000 Women are allowed to complain and they do complain more on social media. 0.99

00:25:00.000 So social media wants to keep the audience, keep their client and their users.

00:25:06.000 And so like, I think it's just inevitable that if the technology is not aligned with the substrate of humans, which is biology, this happens.

00:25:17.000 But that's, I think, the natural follow-up, Vittorio.

00:25:20.000 So if this is driven by smartphones, which are not going away, and if it's driven by social media, which is not going away, is there a solution to this?

00:25:30.000 Or are we essentially, are we kind of screwed?

00:25:33.000 Are we basically going to be dominated by whatever ideological contagion sweeps through with the algorithm and takes a majority of women along with it? 1.00

00:25:44.000 And they're half the voter base.

00:25:46.000 I don't know if I should blackpill or white peel, but I think that like we saw, and there is another graph in the article that shows that married women don't respond in this way.

00:25:58.000 And women with children tend to be more conservative and less radical.

00:26:05.000 So one solution would be to bring back families and to have more kids, because the biggest problem is that, again, women are more empathetic. 1.00

00:26:13.000 And so once you show them the suffering that is happening at 10,000 miles away, they will feel as if it's happening to them or close to them.

00:26:22.000 But once they're married and they have good men in their life, then they tend to follow.

00:26:28.000 And if once they have kids, then they tend to focus more on the kids.

00:26:32.000 And that's just, again, it's natural, it's evolutionary for them.

00:26:37.000 So by, I don't know, pushing more for marriage and bringing back the marriage institution, which is not just a legal document that you can sign and just null the next day and making like, I don't know, I'm Christian.

00:26:51.000 And so for me, marriage is sacred and is an oath that you make in front of God.

00:26:56.000 So you cannot go back to your word.

00:26:58.000 And I also do think that that's the reason why it was set up in that way, because you should not be allowed to go back from your promise.

00:27:06.000 But by making it so like no-fault divorce and so easy to rescind, then people are like, if it's just a piece of paper, what's the point of doing that?

00:27:15.000 And so I do believe that by bringing back and trying to re-establish the institution of marriage and pushing for more kids, which again, this is the black pill because the next problem is that people are not having kids.

00:27:29.000 But I do think that in terms of the radicalization, there is a solution.

00:27:33.000 Now, the solution has its own problem.

00:27:35.000 Yeah.

00:27:36.000 So, Vittorio, I love this part.

00:27:37.000 So, listen, our audience, we have a lot of Christian conservatives that may not even ascribe to evolution, right? 0.97

00:27:43.000 So, I'm not even getting into that, but the way you word it, I just wanted to preface that.

00:27:47.000 You could just believe that God made men and women different and for different functions and forms.

00:27:52.000 And this, this, your point still works.

00:27:54.000 You said men face different pressures, hunting parties, gone for days, exploration, combat.

00:27:58.000 You had to tolerate being alone, disliked, outside the group for extended periods.

00:28:02.000 Men who could handle temporary exclusion without falling apart had more options, more risk-taking, more independence, more ability to leave bad situations.

00:28:09.000 And you said, But women evolved in environments where social exclusion carried enormous survival costs. 1.00

00:28:16.000 You can't hunt pregnant, you can't fight nursing. 1.00

00:28:18.000 Survival required the tribe's acceptance.

00:28:22.000 And so, what you're doing is you're sort of showing that there's just form and function between male and female are different.

00:28:27.000 And, Blake, I love this because I instantly thought of you when I was reading this because you were the one that kind of solidified this even with Charlie: that women's part of women's social roles are norm enforcers, consensus builders.

00:28:39.000 This is sort of the way that they're hardwired.

00:28:42.000 And then, when you combine that natural form and function with an algorithm that pushes them and builds consensus further and further and deeper and deeper, this is where you start seeing the two sexes diverge and depart, and this chasm is formed. 0.96

00:28:56.000 And I just think it's a really powerful explanation.

00:29:00.000 And then you pair that with Helen Andrews and the radical feminization of the workplace and other things, you start seeing why these larger cultural trends are taking root.

00:29:10.000 If you agree, Blake.

00:29:12.000 It's very interesting because I just kind of funny.

00:29:16.000 It's like, how do we fix this?

00:29:17.000 Well, we just have to fix marriage.

00:29:19.000 Yeah, no-fault divorce.

00:29:21.000 Yeah, just get rid of no-fault divorce.

00:29:23.000 It's very tough, and not the least because the people we kind of need to save with us, I think, are the most likely to fight against that.

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00:30:34.000 What we're talking about, this divergence of the sexists, is of paramount importance for the future of Western civilization.

00:30:41.000 That's why this understanding its root causes, how to fix it, how to address it, is so critically important.

00:30:48.000 And it's something that Charlie talked a lot about as well.

00:30:51.000 This is Charlie at December 2024 Amfest.

00:30:54.000 Let's go ahead and play Cut 352.

00:30:56.000 Young men are the most conservative they have been in over 50 years. 0.72

00:31:04.000 50 years.

00:31:06.000 Think about that.

00:31:08.000 Now, a reporter asked me, they said, Charlie, can you try to explain this phenomenon?

00:31:14.000 Listen, yeah, it's very simple.

00:31:16.000 Young men want to be part of a political movement that doesn't hate them.

00:31:22.000 In fact, let me go a step further.

00:31:25.000 That thinks they're essential to a future of a country.

00:31:29.000 That we need strong men and strong women.

00:31:33.000 That we're sick and tired of hearing about toxic masculinity when we are drowning in toxic femininity.

00:31:40.000 And he kept on that theme because we have another clip here, and this is one of the last hits he ever did on Fox.

00:31:46.000 Let's play 353.

00:31:48.000 What is going on with women and not wanting to prioritize family? 1.00

00:31:53.000 Yeah, this is a pattern that I've seen time and time on these college campuses where young men are ordering their life correctly.

00:31:59.000 They want to first and foremost have children, get married, and then have a nice job or to be able to travel.

00:32:06.000 If you look deeper into this data, it's completely consistent with other data we've seen the last couple of years.

00:32:11.000 Young women, they don't value having children. 1.00

00:32:13.000 And this is one of the reasons why we are seeing a fertility collapse in the West.

00:32:17.000 If you play out the liberal worldview, the Kamala Harris worldview to its furthest possible logical point, you have a country with literally no future.

00:32:26.000 When you play out the logical endpoint of President Trump's agenda of where young men voted for him, you have one of lots of children, increasing communities, and you also don't have a need then for mass immigration.

00:32:38.000 So, Vittorio, one thought I've had, maybe this could bail us out, is we are seeing this fertility collapse.

00:32:45.000 We are seeing far fewer people get married, far fewer people having children.

00:32:52.000 Could this basically be a transitional phase where for all of human history, basically everyone had kids because that was what you did, natural biological impulse.

00:33:02.000 And now we're just going to go through this one generation where basically all the people uninterested in having kids poof out of the gene pool, and the people who don't value marriage poof out of the gene pool.

00:33:15.000 And we'll just have a new society of the people who actually select for those things.

00:33:19.000 And could we fix it that way?

00:33:21.000 Are we going to see this huge, I guess, political and social divergence caused by who actually shows up for the future?

00:33:27.000 I mean, this, you see it already happening.

00:33:30.000 I mean, conservative families have more children than liberal families.

00:33:34.000 I spoke time ago about this, and I do think that there is a problem here because the institutions that then educate and raise your kids, schools and media and TVs, are captured instead by the other ideology.

00:33:50.000 And that's why they care so much about it, because by not being able to have their own kids, they need to indoctrinate someone else's kids so they can perpetrate these views.

00:34:01.000 So to your point, I do agree that they will self-select out, but only if the kids that then are being had, like, they're protected.

00:34:14.000 So that's another problem.

00:34:16.000 I'm looking at the numbers here to remind myself.

00:34:18.000 So if you looked at the average number of kids for a woman over 44, so they finished their child breeding window. 1.00

00:34:26.000 In 1982, liberal women had more kids than conservative ones on average.

00:34:30.000 And even as recently as 2018, for women over 44 completed fertility, they had about the same number of kids, liberal versus conservative.

00:34:37.000 For women below that threshold, it's widened to the point where it's almost a full child per woman gap between liberal and conservative women in the U.S. That's a lot. 0.99

00:34:50.000 That maybe doesn't sound like a lot, but that's a huge gap.

00:34:53.000 But to your point, that, you know, listen, we've said more striking things, I think, before in the past, but there is this tendency with people that do not procreate to then recruit or groom.

00:35:08.000 And that is a huge problem with our institutions.

00:35:10.000 That's why school's choice is so fundamentally important.

00:35:13.000 That's why classical school education is so important.

00:35:16.000 Vittorio, you are, I would presume, maybe you're Christian, Protestant, but you're Italian, correct?

00:35:24.000 And one of the countries that has experienced in the West the most dramatic fertility collapse is Italy.

00:35:31.000 Are there lessons from Italy that you could share that shed light on this?

00:35:35.000 Well, what Italy learned is like what you can learn from Italy is what not to do. 0.71

00:35:40.000 Like it's, I don't know.

00:35:43.000 Again, it's a worldwide problem, the fertility crisis.

00:35:47.000 And there are several probably reasons that can be both political, biological, cultural.

00:35:54.000 But I think that at the very bottom is just an extremely individualistic culture.

00:36:00.000 And everyone just think about themselves and for themselves.

00:36:03.000 They want to have money for their own.

00:36:05.000 They want to be successful on their own.

00:36:06.000 And no one cares anymore about what will happen to them.

00:36:12.000 There is not anymore some kind of overarching principle and guiding reality that pushes them to have a lineage in the future.

00:36:24.000 So I think it's still a collapse of meaning.

00:36:29.000 I think ultimately it's a value fight, and that's tough because values are tough to change.

00:36:33.000 I had a friend who was just in Israel and he was saying it was so jarring to see.

00:36:37.000 It's not just that there's kids everywhere compared to the U.S. or anywhere else, but that it so aggressively comes up.

00:36:43.000 When you talk to someone, they're rapidly going to brag.

00:36:46.000 Oh, yeah, I have four kids already.

00:36:47.000 I have five kids.

00:36:48.000 It's such a point of pride.

00:36:50.000 It's so baked into everything.

00:36:52.000 That's what drives it.

00:36:53.000 You're right.

00:36:53.000 Israel is this lone standout in the world right now.

00:36:57.000 Because people think about sub-Saharan Africa as this massively fertile area.

00:37:02.000 And historically, they would be correct, but they are seeing dramatic drops in fertility in sub-Saharan Africa even.

00:37:07.000 This one standout is very fascinating.

00:37:10.000 That's Israel. 0.84

00:37:11.000 And because Israel is a value-based country, right, where people are there often because of their religion, because of their ethnicity.

00:37:19.000 And what's really fascinating about Israel is the group that's losing fertility rates right now are the Muslims within Israel. 0.61

00:37:27.000 The people that are sustaining their fertility rates are the Jews.

00:37:30.000 It's a very fascinating, which just underscores that it's a value proposition.

00:37:34.000 Exactly.

00:37:37.000 Man, it's bleak, Vittorio, I have to say, because it does feel like when it's a problem that's almost everywhere in the world and the ones that are defying it are so unique compared to the U.S. or Europe, it's tough.

00:37:50.000 But we're very thankful for you for laying it out in a clear-cut way.

00:37:54.000 I think there is rising awareness of the nature of the problem.

00:37:57.000 Thanks to Elon Musk.

00:37:58.000 And others, Charlie.

00:38:00.000 Yes.

00:38:01.000 And I think we are going to have to make the push for a revolution in values in the West.

00:38:08.000 And it's kind of the only way I think you can turn it around.

00:38:11.000 And this push about individualism.

00:38:13.000 We are not individualists.

00:38:15.000 We are more community-based.

00:38:16.000 We're not collectivists.

00:38:17.000 We're not individualists.

00:38:18.000 We're about community.

00:38:19.000 We're about shared meaning as a community, as a local community, as a church community.

00:38:26.000 Vittorio, really fascinating stuff.

00:38:28.000 Thank you so much for your contribution to this discussion.

00:38:30.000 And good job.

00:38:33.000 You cut through the algorithm.

00:38:34.000 Thank you for having me.

00:38:36.000 It was a pleasure.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 22, 2026

Why did Women Move Left, While Men Didn't?

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