Sean Davis, co-founder and CEO of the Federalist, joins us to discuss the Democratic takeover in Virginia, and why it's a microcosm of what's happening in the country at large. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the leading gold and silver company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers.
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00:01:42.000I think the economic numbers are going to give us win to our sales, but it's going to be an uphill battle.
00:01:46.000Plus, you got the Senate races, you got House races that are going to be hotly contested, governor's mansions, all of those races in between.
00:02:05.000What they are doing in a matter of days, this is like the shock and awe first hundred days of the Trump administration, only Democrat style in a blue state that only went for Kamala Harris by six points.
00:02:18.000With a legislature that will pass things.
00:02:20.000With a legislature that will high-minded Democrats will actually pass things, unlike, you know, our rowdy bunch of congressional folks that are very independent-minded.
00:03:23.000Oh, look, I'm just like a pretty blonde, nice, moderate lady, when she is a radical left-wing ideologue.
00:03:30.000And when she came in, despite Virginia not being a super blue state, she does what Democrats always do because Democrats understand power.
00:03:38.000She's going in, and even though she only got, you know, we'll say like 55% of the vote, whatever it is, she's not saying, oh, we're only going to do 55% of what we want.
00:03:46.000We are going to do 100% what we want because you can't do anything to stop it.
00:03:50.000And it's scary because the Democrat Party's become so radical.
00:04:09.000When Democrats get in power because they understand power, they wield it ruthlessly.
00:04:15.000And quite honestly, as horrifying as I find what she's doing, I'm honestly jealous because I would love to have a party representing me all throughout Washington, not just in the White House, that understands power, how to attain it, how to maintain it, and how to wield it.
00:04:28.000Because the Democrats are putting on an absolute clinic in what you actually do when you're in power.
00:04:35.000Sean, we were talking during, so you've seen all the abortion stuff, but this really remarkable one that was introduced yesterday, which it would only, it's a simple bill to rewrite that when a state agency is administering federal funds, they are not allowed to impose a requirement on nonprofits to check whether anyone receiving a benefit is eligible for that benefit.
00:05:01.000So their lesson that they are gleaning from the Somali fraud scheme that has robbed U.S. taxpayers of probably anywhere between 10 and 19, 20 billion dollars and counting.
00:05:13.000We'll see how big it gets when we start uncovering Washington.
00:05:30.000And I just cannot get over this, Sean, that anything we do, even if it makes sense, even if we cure cancer, their party's reaction is to run the other way and to just put their head in the sand, complete ostrich, act like it didn't happen, and defend what they think are their values.
00:05:54.000That they like misuse of taxpayer funding?
00:05:58.000And there has to be a federal response to stuff that is this insane.
00:06:02.000But I don't know if this is a psychological dilemma.
00:06:04.000I don't know if this is something that needs to be studied from a sociological level, but this is patently insane.
00:06:11.000And I cannot, for the life of me, look at what Donald Trump and the president, immigration, economic, what we're accomplishing, and see why they hate it so much.
00:06:20.000It's an uncomfortable answer, but it's an easy one in that it's entirely spiritual.
00:06:25.000If you look at something and you want to figure out which one is the good side and which is the bad side, look at the side that wants things to be ugly and chaotic and disorderly and manic.
00:06:43.000And it's because the good reflects our creator who is perfect and good and orderly.
00:06:48.000We worship and we were made by a God of order, not a God of chaos.
00:06:53.000So I think it is absolutely spiritual at its very core.
00:06:57.000And we're never going to get around that.
00:06:59.000So often we try to talk around it and be like, well, it's about ideologies and philosophies and blah, blah, blah.
00:07:04.000That's all downstream from your worldview, which is built on a foundation of where you see yourself in the cosmic order, whether you believe in a great creator, whether you believe in inherent good and inherent evil.
00:07:20.000It's why it wants to eviscerate borders.
00:07:22.000It's why it wants to eliminate mandatory minimum sentence for rapists, for child exploiters, for people who attack cops, for people guilty of manslaughter and murder.
00:07:30.000And I will say on Spam Burger, again, Democrats understand power.
00:07:35.000You'll hear Republicans when they get in power because they're terrified of wielding it say things like, well, politics is the art of the possible.
00:07:43.000And they'll lecture you very smugly on it.
00:07:46.000Politics is about rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies.
00:08:02.000The Democrat Party cannot exist without shipping these people in, making them rich, and getting them to use their fraud bucks to elect more Democrats.
00:08:09.000And again, there is a lesson here for Republicans to learn.
00:08:13.000I'm sure they're going to learn the wrong one.
00:08:15.000But the lesson here is when you get in power, you wield it ruthlessly and you support the people who put you there.
00:08:19.000Yeah, I mean, listen, you know, probably I'm naive, Sean, but when you say that politics is about punishing your enemies and rewarding your friends, there's like this part of me that, you know, remembers, you know, watching the World War II movies and the John Wayne movies and like, I gotta think, you know, that we as Americans can, you know, band together at some sort of elevated pitch than that because, man, that's that's a really dark reality.
00:08:44.000I don't disagree with you functionally.
00:08:46.000You know, I think of this in terms of the American empire, right?
00:08:49.000Like, you know, listen, we're gonna, we're gonna exert our force abroad because we're the most powerful and we're gonna take care of our own our own people.
00:08:57.000But when you come to the domestic front, but you hope that it's gonna be different, but it's hard to disagree with you, man.
00:09:04.000It's hard to disagree with you that when you are confronted by an ideological force that is so dark that is killing babies, that wants chaos, that wants criminals on its streets.
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00:11:49.000All right, Sean Davis, just to underscore your point, you are the co-founder and CEO of the Federalist, great publication.
00:12:01.000I'm going to play, this is Charlie with Tucker talking about this exact thing, 351.
00:12:06.000This is why your faith is the most important thing.
00:12:09.000Because for those of us that are Christians, you actually see what's going on, which is that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and darkness and spirits, that there is a spiritual war here.
00:12:25.000That there is an entire dimension of angels and demons and spirits that are constantly struggling around us, and that there is a supernatural dimension.
00:13:06.000Sean, unless you want to chime in on that.
00:13:09.000But I do want to talk about the year in review.
00:13:11.000For me, kind of the, it was made obvious as the whole trans thing reared its disgusting little head.
00:13:18.000If you can't agree on just the basis of reality of whether boys or boys are girls and girls, clearly there's something going on, but beyond the conscious rational level, and it can only be spiritual.
00:15:10.000He's made America safer, number one, by not doing stupid nonsense everywhere.
00:15:15.000And number two, by actually going and dealing with threats discreetly as he finds them and then just leaving it at that.
00:15:21.000A good example there would be the Iran nuclear threat, which he dispatched, and then going in and kidnapping the dictator of Venezuela like he's some sort of historical artifact in a Nick Cage heist movie.
00:15:35.000You have RFK Jr. kind of resetting these insane vaccine schedules that we had for babies.
00:15:40.000He's fixed the food pyramid, which for decades was nonsense and was just telling people, yeah, yeah, you need to be just gorging yourselves on carbs because that's what your body needs.
00:15:52.000Where I think we've really been lacking, and this isn't a Trump problem at all.
00:15:56.000It goes back to what we were talking about earlier, is total inaction and an unwillingness to do what needs to be done in the Republican Congress.
00:16:04.000And what we've learned is that having a great president is great.
00:16:57.000I'm becoming way more convinced that the only way to make this fake, you know, democracy kind of thing that we've got going on right now, where it's basically ruled by executive order and Congress is completely paralyzed, is you got to nuke the filibuster.
00:17:35.000I think the composition of Republicans in Washington is such a huge problem that what we actually would need if we wanted to get things passed was move the threshold down to about 35.
00:17:45.000I think then you could actually get Republicans to do stuff.
00:17:47.000And so I think it's really, really important, especially as we're heading into a primary season.
00:17:53.000It's not enough to send a Republican to Washington.
00:17:56.000You have to send the right Republicans to Washington.
00:17:59.000And if you don't, it doesn't matter what your vote threshold is.
00:18:02.000They'll find a reason to not do anything.
00:18:04.000Sean, what we need to do is we need to have you back on with Tyler, and we need to go through a list of the races and give people direction on it.
00:19:36.000We talked earlier this morning, just prepping for this.
00:19:38.000There was a Bill Ackman tweet where political scientists, DataQuants, have been telling us this for a half decade.
00:19:46.000Women have moved radically leftward at a scale and speed with no modern precedent, while men have, on the whole, remained largely steady and unchanged.
00:19:55.000You, and Bill Ackman, asked the question, why?
00:21:42.000So women to be protected, they need something that keeps them safe.
00:21:46.000And once the safety lacks, because they don't have, I would say, strong, a good man in their life, then they need to find protection and safety into the group.
00:21:58.000And this, when technologies as like social media and smartphones are available, then the consensus comes from the group.
00:22:08.000Like the group gives you the consensus, gives you this protection.
00:22:12.000And so it's much more easy for them to be polarized because they need to be in agreement with the group to feel a sense of belonging.
00:22:20.000And you say, you describe social media, the rise of social media, as basically the triggering event.
00:22:26.000And I thought, this is something that I've thought for a long time.
00:22:28.000So to your earlier point, these are ideas that I've sort of known and I've been thinking around, but you concisely put it into this one article.
00:22:38.000And it's basically like you got Facebook launched in 2004.
00:22:45.000But then in about 2012, 13, and 14, you have mass adoption of smartphones.
00:22:52.000And that's about when you start seeing this really radical divergence.
00:22:57.000And it's not just an American phenomenon.
00:22:58.000This is what you point out in graph 355.
00:23:02.000This is, I believe we showed this graph when Charlie was around with us, and he marveled at this as well.
00:23:09.000So South Korea, US, Germany, UK, you get this massive divergence between men and women.
00:23:15.000Now, this graph sort of makes it look like men are getting more right-wing, but actually the data shows that men are sort of staying stable.
00:23:35.000And why does that affect women more than men?
00:23:38.000Well, because I so it's it's common to blame social media and people who design social media, Facebook or whatever.
00:23:46.000But I don't think that social media wants this to happen, or at least the owners of social media want this to happen, is that the platform have to be optimized for engagement and time spent on the platform.
00:24:00.000So like if you want to create revenue as a business, you need to optimize the time that people spend using your business.
00:24:06.000And in case of social media, they need to spend time on it.
00:24:09.000And men and women react differently to different news.
00:24:13.000And women are like, this is known that we have different personalities.
00:24:23.000So a news and an event that makes them feel more empathetic and present some kind of suffering resonates more with women than with men.
00:24:37.000And still going back to the fact that women are physically weaker than men, women are easier to complain than men.
00:24:46.000Like we grew up and like it's always been known that if a man was complaining, he had to grow a pair and just men up.
00:24:56.000Women are allowed to complain and they do complain more on social media.
00:25:00.000So social media wants to keep the audience, keep their client and their users.
00:25:06.000And so like, I think it's just inevitable that if the technology is not aligned with the substrate of humans, which is biology, this happens.
00:25:17.000But that's, I think, the natural follow-up, Vittorio.
00:25:20.000So if this is driven by smartphones, which are not going away, and if it's driven by social media, which is not going away, is there a solution to this?
00:25:30.000Or are we essentially, are we kind of screwed?
00:25:33.000Are we basically going to be dominated by whatever ideological contagion sweeps through with the algorithm and takes a majority of women along with it?
00:25:46.000I don't know if I should blackpill or white peel, but I think that like we saw, and there is another graph in the article that shows that married women don't respond in this way.
00:25:58.000And women with children tend to be more conservative and less radical.
00:26:05.000So one solution would be to bring back families and to have more kids, because the biggest problem is that, again, women are more empathetic.
00:26:13.000And so once you show them the suffering that is happening at 10,000 miles away, they will feel as if it's happening to them or close to them.
00:26:22.000But once they're married and they have good men in their life, then they tend to follow.
00:26:28.000And if once they have kids, then they tend to focus more on the kids.
00:26:32.000And that's just, again, it's natural, it's evolutionary for them.
00:26:37.000So by, I don't know, pushing more for marriage and bringing back the marriage institution, which is not just a legal document that you can sign and just null the next day and making like, I don't know, I'm Christian.
00:26:51.000And so for me, marriage is sacred and is an oath that you make in front of God.
00:26:58.000And I also do think that that's the reason why it was set up in that way, because you should not be allowed to go back from your promise.
00:27:06.000But by making it so like no-fault divorce and so easy to rescind, then people are like, if it's just a piece of paper, what's the point of doing that?
00:27:15.000And so I do believe that by bringing back and trying to re-establish the institution of marriage and pushing for more kids, which again, this is the black pill because the next problem is that people are not having kids.
00:27:29.000But I do think that in terms of the radicalization, there is a solution.
00:27:33.000Now, the solution has its own problem.
00:27:37.000So, listen, our audience, we have a lot of Christian conservatives that may not even ascribe to evolution, right?
00:27:43.000So, I'm not even getting into that, but the way you word it, I just wanted to preface that.
00:27:47.000You could just believe that God made men and women different and for different functions and forms.
00:27:52.000And this, this, your point still works.
00:27:54.000You said men face different pressures, hunting parties, gone for days, exploration, combat.
00:27:58.000You had to tolerate being alone, disliked, outside the group for extended periods.
00:28:02.000Men who could handle temporary exclusion without falling apart had more options, more risk-taking, more independence, more ability to leave bad situations.
00:28:09.000And you said, But women evolved in environments where social exclusion carried enormous survival costs.
00:28:16.000You can't hunt pregnant, you can't fight nursing.
00:28:18.000Survival required the tribe's acceptance.
00:28:22.000And so, what you're doing is you're sort of showing that there's just form and function between male and female are different.
00:28:27.000And, Blake, I love this because I instantly thought of you when I was reading this because you were the one that kind of solidified this even with Charlie: that women's part of women's social roles are norm enforcers, consensus builders.
00:28:39.000This is sort of the way that they're hardwired.
00:28:42.000And then, when you combine that natural form and function with an algorithm that pushes them and builds consensus further and further and deeper and deeper, this is where you start seeing the two sexes diverge and depart, and this chasm is formed.
00:28:56.000And I just think it's a really powerful explanation.
00:29:00.000And then you pair that with Helen Andrews and the radical feminization of the workplace and other things, you start seeing why these larger cultural trends are taking root.
00:29:21.000Yeah, just get rid of no-fault divorce.
00:29:23.000It's very tough, and not the least because the people we kind of need to save with us, I think, are the most likely to fight against that.
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00:30:34.000What we're talking about, this divergence of the sexists, is of paramount importance for the future of Western civilization.
00:30:41.000That's why this understanding its root causes, how to fix it, how to address it, is so critically important.
00:30:48.000And it's something that Charlie talked a lot about as well.
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00:31:48.000What is going on with women and not wanting to prioritize family?
00:31:53.000Yeah, this is a pattern that I've seen time and time on these college campuses where young men are ordering their life correctly.
00:31:59.000They want to first and foremost have children, get married, and then have a nice job or to be able to travel.
00:32:06.000If you look deeper into this data, it's completely consistent with other data we've seen the last couple of years.
00:32:11.000Young women, they don't value having children.
00:32:13.000And this is one of the reasons why we are seeing a fertility collapse in the West.
00:32:17.000If you play out the liberal worldview, the Kamala Harris worldview to its furthest possible logical point, you have a country with literally no future.
00:32:26.000When you play out the logical endpoint of President Trump's agenda of where young men voted for him, you have one of lots of children, increasing communities, and you also don't have a need then for mass immigration.
00:32:38.000So, Vittorio, one thought I've had, maybe this could bail us out, is we are seeing this fertility collapse.
00:32:45.000We are seeing far fewer people get married, far fewer people having children.
00:32:52.000Could this basically be a transitional phase where for all of human history, basically everyone had kids because that was what you did, natural biological impulse.
00:33:02.000And now we're just going to go through this one generation where basically all the people uninterested in having kids poof out of the gene pool, and the people who don't value marriage poof out of the gene pool.
00:33:15.000And we'll just have a new society of the people who actually select for those things.
00:33:21.000Are we going to see this huge, I guess, political and social divergence caused by who actually shows up for the future?
00:33:27.000I mean, this, you see it already happening.
00:33:30.000I mean, conservative families have more children than liberal families.
00:33:34.000I spoke time ago about this, and I do think that there is a problem here because the institutions that then educate and raise your kids, schools and media and TVs, are captured instead by the other ideology.
00:33:50.000And that's why they care so much about it, because by not being able to have their own kids, they need to indoctrinate someone else's kids so they can perpetrate these views.
00:34:01.000So to your point, I do agree that they will self-select out, but only if the kids that then are being had, like, they're protected.
00:34:16.000I'm looking at the numbers here to remind myself.
00:34:18.000So if you looked at the average number of kids for a woman over 44, so they finished their child breeding window.
00:34:26.000In 1982, liberal women had more kids than conservative ones on average.
00:34:30.000And even as recently as 2018, for women over 44 completed fertility, they had about the same number of kids, liberal versus conservative.
00:34:37.000For women below that threshold, it's widened to the point where it's almost a full child per woman gap between liberal and conservative women in the U.S. That's a lot.
00:34:50.000That maybe doesn't sound like a lot, but that's a huge gap.
00:34:53.000But to your point, that, you know, listen, we've said more striking things, I think, before in the past, but there is this tendency with people that do not procreate to then recruit or groom.
00:35:08.000And that is a huge problem with our institutions.
00:35:10.000That's why school's choice is so fundamentally important.
00:35:13.000That's why classical school education is so important.
00:35:16.000Vittorio, you are, I would presume, maybe you're Christian, Protestant, but you're Italian, correct?
00:35:24.000And one of the countries that has experienced in the West the most dramatic fertility collapse is Italy.
00:35:31.000Are there lessons from Italy that you could share that shed light on this?
00:35:35.000Well, what Italy learned is like what you can learn from Italy is what not to do.
00:37:37.000Man, it's bleak, Vittorio, I have to say, because it does feel like when it's a problem that's almost everywhere in the world and the ones that are defying it are so unique compared to the U.S. or Europe, it's tough.
00:37:50.000But we're very thankful for you for laying it out in a clear-cut way.
00:37:54.000I think there is rising awareness of the nature of the problem.