The Charlie Kirk Show - Why is Gen Z Going "Doomer"?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show Hour 2 getting underway.

00:01:13.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show with Blake Neff here in studio.

00:01:18.000 And I'm excited about our next guest.

00:01:20.000 That is Byron Donalds, congressman from Florida, and also candidate for governor of the great state of Florida.

00:01:28.000 So we're honored to have him join us.

00:01:30.000 Congressman, next governor of Florida, welcome to the show.

00:01:33.000 It's good to be back.

00:01:36.000 Man, it's good to be back.

00:01:38.000 Yeah, I just realized it's, yeah, it's your first time back to the show.

00:01:43.000 So please, the floor is yours, Congressman.

00:01:48.000 Honestly, man, we really miss Charlie.

00:01:50.000 We really, really miss him.

00:01:52.000 But it's good to be back with everybody.

00:01:54.000 I'm excited to talk about, you know, whatever you want to talk about.

00:01:58.000 Let's open it up and let's just go.

00:01:59.000 I love that.

00:02:00.000 Well, listen, we brought you on because we saw you were doing some great work with your son, who's taken a courageous step and turning point.

00:02:08.000 And you've been speaking at our turning point events on the local level.

00:02:13.000 And I just, it's amazing.

00:02:15.000 So let's start there.

00:02:17.000 And this is clip 195.

00:02:20.000 The number one reason I believe that young people are frustrated is because you followed the advice that they told my generation.

00:02:27.000 Just go to college and it's all going to work out.

00:02:29.000 And I had peers who got the degree and they went into the workforce and realized that the degree did not have the value that they told us it would.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, and that's you speak, I believe, because I think you've done a few different events, but this is Truman State University.

00:02:45.000 Is that right, Byron?

00:02:46.000 I think that one was at University of Florida.

00:02:49.000 The one that was at Truman State.

00:02:51.000 I think we're going through all the clips and stuff.

00:02:53.000 We're going to be releasing that stuff soon as well.

00:02:55.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 So your son, Darren, is VP of the new Turning Point chapter at Truman State.

00:03:02.000 So shout out to Darren.

00:03:04.000 What an amazing young son you have.

00:03:06.000 And what a way to honor Charlie in this really tangible way.

00:03:10.000 For you to go out there and support it, Congressman.

00:03:13.000 It means a lot to us.

00:03:14.000 And when I saw those clips going around social media, I was like, we got to get Byron back on.

00:03:19.000 Yeah.

00:03:20.000 So like, so here's what happened.

00:03:22.000 You know, it was maybe two, three weeks, you know, after Charlie was assassinated.

00:03:28.000 And my son texts us and he was just like, how do we start a turning point chapter?

00:03:33.000 And so, you know, my wife was sending him links.

00:03:35.000 You can go here, you can go here.

00:03:37.000 And what happened was I think there were several students on campus that were all thinking the same thing.

00:03:41.000 They all got together, started this chapter.

00:03:44.000 So we were actually planning to just go out and visit him and see him.

00:03:48.000 He plays basketball out there.

00:03:49.000 He's a freshman on the basketball team at Truman State.

00:03:52.000 And so we were just planning to go visit him.

00:03:54.000 And he asked, would I speak to the Turning Point Club?

00:03:57.000 And I said, of course, I'll do it.

00:03:59.000 And then it turned from just talking to the club members to they had to move the venue into the biggest auditorium on campus.

00:04:06.000 So it was a great event, great evening, got a chance to talk to a lot of young people, hear directly from them.

00:04:11.000 You know, and they do have concerns.

00:04:13.000 And I think it's really important what Charlie started and his legacy is reaching young people for common sense, conservative policy and values and Western civilization.

00:04:24.000 As long as we can continue that effort and that focus of making sure young people understand the policies and the value sets that make America the greatest country in the world, there'll be no stopping us.

00:04:34.000 Yeah, that's well said, Congressman.

00:04:36.000 And you are, of course, running for governor of the great state of Florida.

00:04:40.000 And just before you joined, we had Sager and Jetty talking about an issue that's germane to Florida.

00:04:48.000 Obviously, the conversation about property taxes.

00:04:51.000 Now, I want to brief you because you probably missed it.

00:04:54.000 Blake is anti-getting rid of them.

00:04:57.000 I am much more sympathetic because there's a part of me that's our viewers are very in favor of getting rid of it.

00:05:04.000 It's me against the tidal wave on this one.

00:05:06.000 Right.

00:05:06.000 So Blake thinks it's a sort of boomer populism or something.

00:05:10.000 Maybe not.

00:05:11.000 That's a blunt way to say it.

00:05:13.000 I think, you know, I don't want to, because people are getting so mad, I don't want to emphasize it necessarily helping the older people.

00:05:21.000 I want to emphasize, I think it's bad for younger people.

00:05:23.000 All right.

00:05:23.000 So that maybe that's a more winning way.

00:05:26.000 I don't know.

00:05:26.000 But I think of it as like, listen, you work your whole life, you buy a piece of property, but you never really own it.

00:05:31.000 You're just constantly renting it from the government.

00:05:34.000 That's my instinct.

00:05:36.000 It's like, I want to work my whole life and own something.

00:05:39.000 Now, where do you fall on this issue, Congressman?

00:05:42.000 Well, actually, my view is: one, we should eliminate homestead property taxes.

00:05:47.000 I agree with Governor DeSantis.

00:05:49.000 I do agree with the philosophical point that you shouldn't have to rent, essentially have to pay a lease or a fee to the government for you to be able to keep your property.

00:05:58.000 And I do fundamentally agree with that from a philosophical standpoint.

00:06:02.000 I think in terms of where we are in Florida, look, I think we're going to go down the line of repealing homestead property taxes.

00:06:08.000 The governor is adamant about this.

00:06:10.000 I think what we need to see now is the governor's full plan.

00:06:14.000 I know he's working on that now.

00:06:16.000 I think his full plan being given to the people of Florida is going to be critical for this to go from something that is an idea, something that should be accomplished, to actually being implemented.

00:06:28.000 Because we're going to have to go through a couple of things: paying, how are we going to fund sheriffs and sheriff deputies and police officers?

00:06:35.000 How are we going to pay firefighters, road construction, road maintenance?

00:06:40.000 These are the things that local governments do pay for.

00:06:42.000 So how are we going to make sure those things don't get disturbed?

00:06:45.000 That's number one.

00:06:47.000 And we go from there.

00:06:48.000 So I support it.

00:06:50.000 I do support repealing homestead property taxes.

00:06:52.000 I agree that people should not have to pay a fee to the government just for the privilege of being able to keep their home.

00:06:59.000 But there are key services that local governments provide.

00:07:02.000 We want to make sure that that funding is there.

00:07:04.000 Yeah, my take is if there's a smart way to do it where you're not hollowing out your education system, your fire department, and not shift the tax burden to younger families that are trying to get started.

00:07:15.000 I mean, that's one of the benefits of Florida.

00:07:16.000 You can start a family there.

00:07:17.000 You can believe that the public school system is going to not be indoctrinating your kid.

00:07:21.000 I mean, that's the appeal, right?

00:07:22.000 If you want to start a family, states like Texas and Florida are the places you want to go.

00:07:26.000 So real quick.

00:07:28.000 And I think this is important because we want to talk about young people.

00:07:30.000 The reason why I think a repeal of homestead property taxes helps first-time homebuyers is because when you go to buy a home, you're not just paying the sticker costs.

00:07:39.000 You also have to pay the closing costs associated with buying it.

00:07:42.000 When you go through closing on a piece of property, especially on a home, you have to escrow, pay up front a year's worth of property taxes.

00:07:51.000 And so depending on what you're buying, that's several thousand dollars.

00:07:55.000 So it actually, in my opinion, helps young people acquire that first home because it decreases the cost, decreases closing costs because you're not having to escrow taxes for acquiring the property.

00:08:06.000 So that's where I think that a repeal of property taxes for homesteaded property does actually help young people get into the game of home ownership.

00:08:15.000 How about, I think something that there's more unity on is a way you can lower housing prices across the board is just build more houses overall.

00:08:23.000 Yes.

00:08:24.000 And Florida overall has been good at that long term, but I know there are rising costs there now.

00:08:29.000 So how about we look at what's the plan there?

00:08:32.000 How do you make sure Florida's had a ton of people moving there?

00:08:35.000 How do you make sure that they can be building houses both for the new arrivals and for the children of people who've been living there their whole lives?

00:08:42.000 Well, let me talk about Florida specifically.

00:08:44.000 The first thing is we have to really streamline the permitting and planning processes in our state.

00:08:51.000 Right now in Florida, if you're going to build a single family home, it takes anywhere from 18 months to two and a half years of permitting before you can put a shovel in the ground.

00:09:02.000 So you have just dead time in these projects.

00:09:05.000 And this dead time where you're going through permitting is not free.

00:09:09.000 That adds to the cost of constructing the home and that's paid by the consumer.

00:09:14.000 It also delays the ability to actually build housing at scale so that you see prices overall come down.

00:09:22.000 One of the reasons why our property values increased so rapidly in Florida is because during COVID-19, when by the way, Governor DeSantis did the best job in America of leading our state.

00:09:33.000 He was the best.

00:09:33.000 It wasn't close.

00:09:34.000 But what happened is so many people chose Florida, but we didn't have the housing stock to meet the demand.

00:09:41.000 So prices went up.

00:09:42.000 And so it's supply and demand, like it like how it works anywhere else.

00:09:46.000 So what we do have to do is build the necessary housing as efficiently as possible so you have more housing stock on the market.

00:09:54.000 That stabilizes housing prices.

00:09:56.000 It could even reduce it in some areas.

00:09:58.000 And that's another way to open up home ownership for young people. 0.91

00:10:02.000 On Capitol Hill, we got to get rid of these stupid regulations around housing and also these dumb regulations around procuring raw materials because that increases the material costs that goes directly into construction, which goes directly into the cost of the home. 0.87

00:10:20.000 And some of the green New Deal weatherization stuff on homes that has made home construction more expensive, it's a problem too. 0.97

00:10:28.000 We could keep talking for a whole lot longer, Congressman.

00:10:30.000 Thank you for joining.

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00:11:42.000 Blake, there is a video now posted to Senator Slotkin's X feed of lawmakers telling the military to defy illegal orders.

00:11:54.000 And this is causing quite a stir.

00:11:56.000 Let's go ahead and play it cut 235.

00:11:58.000 We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant.

00:12:02.000 But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

00:12:08.000 And know that we have your back.

00:12:10.000 Because now, more than ever.

00:12:11.000 The American people need you.

00:12:13.000 We need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution, and who we are as Americans.

00:12:18.000 Don't give up.

00:12:21.000 Don't give up the ship.

00:12:24.000 The music.

00:12:25.000 Is there a longer form of that?

00:12:26.000 It's all very vague, which is probably intentional.

00:12:29.000 But yeah, I guess the intent.

00:12:29.000 Intentional.

00:12:31.000 It takes me back to a very dark moment in 2020.

00:12:35.000 It was when all the riots were happening and Trump was talking, you know, I might send the guard into cities to restore orders.

00:12:41.000 When the looting starts, the shooting starts, I believe he said.

00:12:44.000 And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, I think it was Millie at the time, he released a letter to the armed forces that was eventually either leaked or published that said, basically, we're going to remind everyone that the military is the guardian of our Constitution and the freedom of speech and the right to protest.

00:13:00.000 And nothing eventually came of that.

00:13:02.000 But I had the very dark thought that what he was laying the groundwork for, it was 2020, everyone was losing their minds, was Trump was going to say, go in and restore order in DC or in Minneapolis.

00:13:13.000 And they were going to refuse.

00:13:14.000 They were going to say, we're not going to do that.

00:13:16.000 We're going to side with the rioters.

00:13:18.000 And you'd basically have a revolutionary moment, a constitutional crisis, a coup d'état.

00:13:24.000 And you kind of get the feeling they're trying to set that up here, that they want to have the military just start openly defying President Trump's orders as commander in chief.

00:13:33.000 And that is a very dark constitutional Rubicon to cross.

00:13:37.000 Yeah, you do not want to cross that at all.

00:13:39.000 And I think that's why they were being so vague.

00:13:41.000 I think they knew.

00:13:42.000 I think they knew that they were being provocative.

00:13:44.000 They want to make a gesture.

00:13:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:47.000 And, you know, because there's all the defensive ways.

00:13:49.000 Of course, you don't follow illegal orders.

00:13:51.000 If he orders you to commit a war crime, you're not supposed to do that.

00:13:55.000 But it is not a war crime to secure America's borders.

00:13:58.000 It is not a war crime to protect Americans from crime.

00:14:02.000 It is not a war crime to deport people illegally in this country.

00:14:06.000 Thank you very much.

00:14:08.000 And they're deliberately trying to muddle those concepts to further the idea that it's okay to just flout and defy laws they don't like.

00:14:16.000 I mean, we see that with Mamdani in New York, where I think just the other day he was saying, yes, we follow international law.

00:14:22.000 So if Netanyahu visits New York, I'm going to arrest him.

00:14:25.000 But we don't follow U.S. federal law, where if you enter this country illegally as an invader, you get sent home.

00:14:33.000 No, that's a really good point.

00:14:33.000 Yeah.

00:14:36.000 They're willing to flout our own domestic laws because they actually hate this country.

00:14:39.000 Lawmakers appearing in this video include Senator Slotkin from Michigan, Senator Mark Kelly from this state in Arizona, Representative Chris DeLuzio from Pennsylvania, Rep Maggie Goodlander from New Hampshire, Rep Chrissy Houlihan from Pennsylvania, and rep Jason Crowe.

00:14:59.000 So you can refuse they so they basically the video is them reciting this version of the of the line, you can refuse illegal orders.

00:15:08.000 You must refuse illegal orders.

00:15:11.000 And again, they're vague, but we're assuming they're talking about, you know, these cartel boats that apparently have drugs, laden with drugs, coming to the United States and international waters.

00:15:22.000 I'm not sure what number we're up to, but they've blown up a number of these boats.

00:15:26.000 Yeah, they have.

00:15:27.000 And it's controversial.

00:15:28.000 Even guys like Rampa.

00:15:30.000 I acknowledge it's risky.

00:15:31.000 Like, it's very bad.

00:15:32.000 Extremely bad.

00:15:33.000 The first time this goes awry and you blow up, you know, a fisherman's boat, you know, some guy just on, who decided to cruise the Caribbean in a manner resembling drugs.

00:15:43.000 It's very risky to do this.

00:15:44.000 We saw that in the Middle East where we had those signature strikes, they'd call them, where anyone, you know, a group of, they look like, you know, 18 to 30 year old men in a group, and we'll just kind of presumptively label them terrorists.

00:15:57.000 And we blew up people, not even just in Afghanistan. 1.00

00:16:00.000 We're doing that in Yemen.

00:16:01.000 We were doing that in Syria.

00:16:03.000 And were most of them probably what we were going for?

00:16:06.000 Yeah, but were all of them?

00:16:08.000 No.

00:16:09.000 Well, yeah.

00:16:10.000 But listen, I am very in favor of that policy because I think there's probably really good intel on most of these, but you're right.

00:16:17.000 We have to be in doubt probably don't.

00:16:20.000 So far, they seem to have all been extremely on point because we know.

00:16:24.000 And then to your point, though, the other thing that they're probably railing against is deportations and the National Guard being in some of these blue cities.

00:16:33.000 Now, we've seen Memphis, Chicago, D.C., when the National Guard is present, when they ramp up deportations, crime is dropping precipitously.

00:16:41.000 And what's funny is they don't even need to do much.

00:16:43.000 Like the National Guard, if you've been to D.C., they are mostly just sort of standing around in high visibility areas.

00:16:48.000 Yet even that bare minimum effort of showing you care is actually lowering crime.

00:16:54.000 It's incredible.

00:16:55.000 It's not just lower.

00:16:56.000 It's like falling.

00:16:57.000 You just have to show you mean it.

00:16:58.000 Yes, and that's my point with these boats, these strikes on boats in the Caribbean.

00:17:04.000 You mean business and the cartels are going to take?

00:17:08.000 It's not that you're going to blow up hundreds of boats.

00:17:09.000 It's that you'll blow up five and the boats will go away.

00:17:12.000 And you don't know which boat might get blown up, so you're not going to set off with a bunch of drugs heading to the mainland.

00:17:20.000 Connection, open dialogue.

00:17:22.000 These are the things that build communities.

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00:17:32.000 People don't just post, they respond.

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00:18:21.000 All right.

00:18:22.000 People love these segments when we do them.

00:18:24.000 They want to hear from the kids themselves that are working on these campuses.

00:18:28.000 So backed by Popular Demand, we are doing a chapter president segment with Dino Fantagrasi from the University of Arkansas.

00:18:35.000 He's the TPSA chapter president there.

00:18:38.000 And Brady Salmon, the TPSA chapter president at the University of Kentucky.

00:18:42.000 So welcome, Dino and Brady.

00:18:44.000 Hello.

00:18:45.000 Thank you.

00:18:45.000 Thank you for having us.

00:18:46.000 Yeah, good to see you guys again.

00:18:50.000 So hold on.

00:18:51.000 Dino, we met at the round at the Student Action Summit in Tampa.

00:18:57.000 Brady was there too.

00:18:58.000 Oh, Brady.

00:18:59.000 Good.

00:18:59.000 Good, good, good.

00:19:00.000 All right, there we go.

00:19:01.000 Well, we're going to talk about some of the topics about Israel and Hamas and all this stuff, kind of how it's playing out.

00:19:09.000 We have Danny Phillip here, who's our resident Gen Zer on set. 0.98

00:19:12.000 23 years old, right?

00:19:13.000 Yes, sir.

00:19:14.000 Old man compared to these young guys here.

00:19:16.000 All right.

00:19:16.000 So tell us how things are going in the wake of what happened with Charlie, the tragedy there.

00:19:22.000 What are you seeing on your campuses?

00:19:24.000 Let's start there.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, on campuses, I would say statewide, it's been going very well.

00:19:30.000 We've had some issues with getting chapters started because administrators are really pushing back on getting chapters started in our region.

00:19:37.000 But in terms of there's a lot of them that are doing very well, and we're getting a lot of volunteers.

00:19:42.000 And we actually have an event today that we're advertising for, and it's going very well.

00:19:46.000 So we're very excited about how we're doing.

00:19:47.000 Tell us about the event.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, we're having Paige Rue come in tonight at 7 o'clock. 1.00

00:19:52.000 She is going to talk about the Second Amendment, and people are very excited about it.

00:19:55.000 It's a very fun topic, and we're looking to fill the room to capacity.

00:19:58.000 So we're very excited.

00:19:59.000 I love it.

00:20:00.000 How many events per quarter do you guys do just kind of and by the way, you know, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, are you seeing increased energy?

00:20:11.000 Like you said, you're thinking you're going to fill the room to capacity.

00:20:14.000 That's huge.

00:20:14.000 Was that the case before?

00:20:16.000 You know, I think we've sort of found ourselves in a bit of an interesting situation in Arkansas where we went from having about 75 registered members at the beginning of the semester.

00:20:25.000 I think last time I said we were somewhere in the 300s, we're like 450 today at my chapter.

00:20:30.000 So the growth just keeps happening, which is really awesome to see.

00:20:34.000 But Arkansas, we have this weird issue where we really fight this battle of the apathetic voter.

00:20:42.000 People are just disinterested in politics because the state is considered so red that conservatives don't seem to care that much because they say, well, my state's not going to change that much.

00:20:53.000 Well, that might be true.

00:20:54.000 That might not be true.

00:20:56.000 In fact, maybe it's the case that your politicians aren't actually voting for what you want them to be voting for.

00:21:02.000 But because it's so red, you don't pay attention.

00:21:04.000 So you don't notice that.

00:21:05.000 I might argue that's the case.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, well, I think you're right.

00:21:10.000 We get this a lot in, and Charlie would talk about it a lot, how in red states, you know, actually, by the way, he mentioned this about Utah, how when it's considered to be safely red, you end up getting worse politicians because there's not the pressure, cooker.

00:21:24.000 There's not less pressure.

00:21:25.000 And also there's a type of person who goes into politics just because they like status.

00:21:29.000 They like being with the group of people who run things.

00:21:32.000 And in blue states, they just default to being Democrats.

00:21:34.000 In red states, they default to being Republicans.

00:21:36.000 Well, I mean, this kind of happened in Kentucky where Brady's at.

00:21:39.000 They have, what is it, Bashar is the governor there.

00:21:42.000 And it's a relatively conservative state, but a lot of conservatives like to stay home.

00:21:48.000 And that's how you get a Democrat governor there. 0.69

00:21:50.000 Well, and also Bashir plays the moderate.

00:21:54.000 Well, the pretend.

00:21:54.000 Yeah, pretend.

00:21:55.000 So, guys, let's talk about a couple issues that are bubbling up right now.

00:21:59.000 And that is the affordability crisis.

00:22:02.000 Gen Z kids are staring down a very unpredictable labor market, let's just say with AI and robotics, automation, plus the H-1B thing.

00:22:14.000 Let's talk about that.

00:22:15.000 How are Gen Zers, especially those getting close to graduation, how are you guys approaching this issue?

00:22:21.000 What are people saying?

00:22:23.000 Is there a lot of fear out there with some of these people that are looking at graduating soon about the job market and about the affordability crisis?

00:22:30.000 Dino, go ahead and you start.

00:22:31.000 Man, I wish more people would pay attention to this.

00:22:34.000 I think some do, but when it comes to H-1B, look at a company like Microsoft that just a couple months ago, they did a mass layoff.

00:22:42.000 And at the exact same time, they applied for 6,000 new H-1B programs.

00:22:47.000 And then they have the audacity to tell us that the United States is a lack of skilled workers.

00:22:51.000 How can those two things possibly be the same? 0.99

00:22:55.000 Either you're saying Americans are stupid and you went to college, went into potentially upwards of $100,000 in debt for nothing, or you are saying that it is simply cheaper to pay somebody from out of the country. 0.99

00:23:09.000 It's one of the two. 1.00

00:23:10.000 And I think it's the latter.

00:23:12.000 And it's insulting to people in my generation.

00:23:15.000 I wish more people would pay attention to it.

00:23:16.000 And the reason that it persists is because they don't.

00:23:19.000 And so there is still this perspective from a lot of people in our generation, more so sort of like the soft conservatives and especially the liberals, that, you know, legal immigration is fine.

00:23:29.000 Maybe they'll, maybe some of the liberals will be like, but illegal immigration is bad. 0.94

00:23:33.000 No, I mean, all of it is hurting Americans currently for the most part.

00:23:36.000 And that's not to say there isn't the occasional reason to bring in a legal immigrant.

00:23:41.000 Probably there is.

00:23:42.000 That's not even to say that there isn't a reason to bring in H-1Bs, but it's certainly not strictly bringing in the top skilled laborers. 0.57

00:23:50.000 I mean, like, how many super geniuses are there out there?

00:23:54.000 Not that many.

00:23:56.000 And we have plenty of Americans here with some of the highest quality education in the world.

00:24:02.000 So what are we doing? 0.99

00:24:03.000 It's fucking nuts. 0.98

00:24:05.000 Well, Dino, what you're saying kind of relates to a sovereign bra tweet, 185. 0.99

00:24:11.000 Put this pick up.

00:24:12.000 He says, older generation shouldn't be surprised if Gen Z is the most radicalized generation in American history.

00:24:18.000 Their youth was stolen via COVID lockdowns.

00:24:21.000 Their jobs were given to immigrants and AI, which you just touched on.

00:24:24.000 And they can't afford basic necessities like the generations before them could.

00:24:27.000 Now, you guys are very plugged in politically.

00:24:32.000 So, Brady, for the normies on campus, are you seeing this kind of energy?

00:24:39.000 Are they feeling the pinch of affordability?

00:24:41.000 Are they scared about it?

00:24:42.000 Are they scared about the job market?

00:24:44.000 I think definitely.

00:24:46.000 And it's so interesting.

00:24:47.000 You get people that are in engineering.

00:24:48.000 You get people that are in statistics or finance.

00:24:51.000 It doesn't matter what it is.

00:24:51.000 They're all very stressed out about it.

00:24:53.000 And I think we're seeing that right now in the polls because Vivek Ramoswamy in a state that Trump's won in the past three elections, he's currently losing in his race.

00:25:02.000 So he is currently struggling and he is very much defending the H-1Bs. 0.99

00:25:06.000 And I think that's going to hurt him in his race.

00:25:08.000 So I think people are really underestimating politically how much of an issue this really is.

00:25:13.000 And to echo what Dino said, I believe Will Kane did an educational segment on Fox.

00:25:18.000 80% of these H-1Bs are entry-level jobs.

00:25:21.000 So when you see people like Trump do these conferences where he says that these are for the super geniuses coming from Asia and India, it's like, well, are they actually really, or are they doing these entry-level jobs, taking jobs from Americans and then getting paid a lower wage to save the company from having to pay?

00:25:39.000 Man, I think, I really hope that people are listening to this.

00:25:43.000 I mean, you guys are expressing and articulating political viewpoints about sophisticated topics that I think sometimes older generations don't understand that you guys are this tuned into it.

00:25:55.000 And so I'm going to ask this one more time, though.

00:25:58.000 Again, you guys are very plugged in.

00:26:00.000 Are you saying this is stuff that you are hearing from like, just like I said, normies on campus?

00:26:05.000 To some degree, I mean, I think a lot of people that I've talked to are more pissed off about the 600,000 Chinese students than they are specifically H-1B, which is valid. 1.00

00:26:20.000 And then some people try and defend it and say it's fine.

00:26:23.000 Didn't our own State Department say under the last presidential administration, Joe Biden, that like a third of Chinese visa like students are CCP spies that are taking our proprietary technologies and sending them back to their country?

00:26:39.000 Like, should that not alone be disqualifying?

00:26:42.000 Take out the entire labor market or it costs like driving up the prices of college admissions because there's only so many spots on a college campus.

00:26:50.000 Take out all of that.

00:26:51.000 Isn't that just a national security issue?

00:26:53.000 People were mad about that.

00:26:55.000 That doesn't even have to do anything with price.

00:26:58.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:26:59.000 So without me giving you the idea or the topic, what would you say are the things young people care about most right now?

00:27:07.000 The things they're most worried about or whatever.

00:27:09.000 First to you, Brady.

00:27:11.000 I would say young people are very passionate about American sovereignty.

00:27:14.000 And American sovereignty extends to H-1Bs where Americans aren't getting jobs. 0.75

00:27:19.000 It extends to foreign aid to Israel and other allies.

00:27:22.000 That's something that Gen Z is very much worried about.

00:27:24.000 I would say that's a big blanket statement that it really does cover a few different topics where people feel like American sovereignty and powerfulness and individuality is really losing to globalism, to foreign aid, and to many different things.

00:27:36.000 So national sovereignty is ascendant.

00:27:41.000 And are you hearing that from liberals or is this mostly conservatives?

00:27:44.000 I would say mostly conservatives, where it's a really big issue.

00:27:47.000 And that's talking moderate all the way to more radical conservatives.

00:27:50.000 It's a very much supporting issue, American nationalism that is very much widespread across campus for sure.

00:27:56.000 All right, what about you, Dino?

00:27:57.000 What are people talking about?

00:27:58.000 What are they worried about?

00:27:59.000 Number one, number two issues?

00:28:01.000 I mean, I think I have to go with the same thing.

00:28:04.000 He already touched on a lot of the national sovereignty.

00:28:06.000 So the number two would have to be the economy.

00:28:08.000 And I think, you know, last time we were here, we were talking about will Zoron Mamdani get elected or not?

00:28:15.000 And he did.

00:28:15.000 I mean, that wasn't really a surprise.

00:28:17.000 It's New York.

00:28:17.000 But a lot of the reason that this is the case is because whether we like it or not, the reality is Zoron Mamdani provided solutions to people in my generation.

00:28:27.000 Those solutions were insane.

00:28:29.000 He was promising free money and there's no such thing as free money.

00:28:32.000 But people will still latch on to that if the other guy isn't offering anything.

00:28:37.000 I mean, you had Chris Cuomo, who is just a complete, or excuse me, Andrew Cuomo, who's just a complete joke.

00:28:43.000 And then you had Curtis Sleewa, who's talking about the mob trying to kill him the whole time.

00:28:47.000 The only option was Zoron in a lot of people's mind, because at least he was saying he was going to do something.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:28:54.000 And that's why we saw, what, like close to 10% of Trump voters in 24 voted for Mom Donnie?

00:28:59.000 Yeah, people need to understand that the youth vote for Trump and the huge gains that we saw and what Charlie contributed to, those are not set in stone.

00:29:07.000 Those are not guaranteed.

00:29:09.000 We have to deliver.

00:29:10.000 And so Charlie was always big on, especially in his final months, talking about we're in a race against the clock.

00:29:15.000 We have three and a half years and now three to really deliver on some of these economic policies and make sure that life gets better for young people.

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00:30:28.000 So Danny, our resident Gen Zer here, is telling me that Gen Z doomerism. 1.00

00:30:35.000 Yeah, it's at an all-time high right now, especially.

00:30:38.000 It's basically like, explain what that means to our audience.

00:30:41.000 Okay, so they see the H-1B stuff.

00:30:42.000 They see what Trump's saying, and basically they're like, you know what?

00:30:45.000 There's no hope for us right now.

00:30:48.000 Trump no longer cares.

00:30:50.000 Like what we voted for doesn't matter.

00:30:51.000 That's what kind of the census thinking is, but it kind of contradicts kind of what the overall voting is.

00:30:58.000 Yeah, 234.

00:31:00.000 We can throw up 234 real quick.

00:31:02.000 So this poll shows that Trump's higher at this point in his second term than Bush and Obama at their point in their second term, just in terms of approval.

00:31:11.000 Yeah.

00:31:12.000 It's funny because they all go down.

00:31:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:15.000 Like they're all going downward, which is not a good sign.

00:31:19.000 But yeah, so doomerism is at an all-time high.

00:31:22.000 Do you guys agree with that?

00:31:23.000 You feel like some Gen Z doomerism? 0.50

00:31:26.000 Absolutely.

00:31:27.000 Okay.

00:31:28.000 So Danny is telling, this is not a scientific poll, but this is like a consensus online that Gen Z doomerism is at an all-time high and it ties directly into all the other stuff we're seeing, H-1B, Israel, everything. 0.73

00:31:42.000 So Dino, if you want to start.

00:31:44.000 Do you agree, Dino?

00:31:46.000 What is doomerism?

00:31:47.000 We probably should explore it.

00:31:49.000 Define the term.

00:31:50.000 Yeah, define the term here.

00:31:51.000 Sure. 0.98

00:31:52.000 So doomerism, the black pill, maybe you've heard it called before, is the idea that everything sucks. 0.98

00:31:58.000 It's never going to get better. 0.97

00:31:59.000 Nothing ever happens.

00:32:00.000 You've probably seen some of these before on the internet.

00:32:03.000 If you've ever been there before on Twitter.

00:32:06.000 And it's a real phenomenon. 0.98

00:32:07.000 A lot in my generation, people saying, well, everything sucks. 0.72

00:32:11.000 Donald Trump's not fulfilling a single campaign promise. 0.93

00:32:15.000 Let's, okay.

00:32:16.000 And I understand where they're coming from because the big ones that they really want to see done, perhaps, are going a little slowly, be it immigration enforcement.

00:32:25.000 And the thing that I keep coming back to is, look, you've got to have a little grace.

00:32:29.000 You've got to have a little patience.

00:32:30.000 Like, our country did not become so screwed up overnight.

00:32:34.000 Rome wasn't built in a day, and we're not going to fix it overnight either.

00:32:38.000 I mean, it's been like 80 years since FDR was president, which I credit with a lot of the start of the government bloat in our country.

00:32:46.000 It's not going to be toppled overnight by any means.

00:32:49.000 But look, we've got coming down the line in January through March, probably another 10,000 immigration enforcement officers are going to be finally done with their training and hitting the streets.

00:32:59.000 You're going to see deportation speed up.

00:33:01.000 We are making incremental gains on a lot of the policy positions that we have.

00:33:05.000 It's just not happening immediately.

00:33:07.000 And people are so dejected and they want to latch on to something that they can't see the forest through the trees.

00:33:16.000 They just get so caught up in the immediate because we're all stuck on our phones looking at social media algorithms that we're just, it's all doom and gloom all the time because that's all you see on Twitter.

00:33:28.000 I think Brady wants to speak a little more on that.

00:33:31.000 Go for it, Brady.

00:33:31.000 Yeah, gosh.

00:33:33.000 If you're on Twitter and Instagram, you would think Trump's approval rating is 20% because you have left-wing people as prideful as ever criticizing Trump.

00:33:41.000 And then you have people right-wing saying MAGA is dead.

00:33:44.000 So you have basically everyone, both left and right-wing, criticizing Trump and saying America is in a terrible place and it's only going to get worse.

00:33:51.000 But what we actually see with that approval rating is people are actually generally happy with where the country is going.

00:33:57.000 And it's really actually misrepresentative overall of what the American politics looks like.

00:34:02.000 And I think this doomer stuff does apply to Israel, which we are going to talk about as well, because it does directly relate to where people think Americans really are getting sold out to foreign countries, which kind of gets back to the American sovereignty stuff that I talked about earlier.

00:34:15.000 Yeah.

00:34:15.000 So one of the things that I'm noticing just talking with you guys is that it's just like you've you've brought up H-1Bs like, I think, five or six times.

00:34:24.000 And I have not asked you to do that.

00:34:27.000 You just keep bringing it up.

00:34:28.000 And I think that's really telling because we could see it as sort of this abstract sort of Twitter debate or something.

00:34:35.000 You're saying like on campus, this is front and center for you guys.

00:34:39.000 This is something you talk about a lot.

00:34:42.000 Let's quickly transition to the Israel topic.

00:34:46.000 If you just had to gauge amongst your peers, 50%, 60%, how many of your peers, let's say conservatives, and then maybe include liberals there, how many are supportive of the U.S.-Israel relationship?

00:35:01.000 Gosh, on campus, it is slim, both left and right-wing.

00:35:06.000 I'm honestly having trouble meeting people, conservative or liberal, that currently support the Israeli regime or their invasion of Palestine.

00:35:14.000 It is very hard to find people supportive right now.

00:35:17.000 Okay.

00:35:18.000 Yeah, we won't quibble on the use of the word invasion, but it's certainly different people would frame it differently, right?

00:35:25.000 What about you, Dino?

00:35:27.000 I mean, I agree.

00:35:29.000 It's slim to none.

00:35:30.000 Look, I'm not a big fan of everything that's going on with Israel. 1.00

00:35:33.000 Like I said on the Charlie Kerr, the big roundtable that we did a couple months ago, like I find it insulting when we send money to all these foreign countries when we've got such huge issues in our country, be it the fact that we can't, you know, beat our veterans.

00:35:46.000 We've got thousands of homeless people. 0.93

00:35:48.000 The economy sucks.

00:35:49.000 I mean, we need to be making strides on this. 0.98

00:35:52.000 And it isn't specifically the fact that it is Israel for me.

00:35:56.000 It's just the fact that we are too bogged down talking about foreign policy right now when we have such massive domestic issues that we need to tackle.

00:36:06.000 And those are the things that move the needle for voters the most.

00:36:10.000 And we're not talking about it.

00:36:11.000 Go ahead, Dan.

00:36:12.000 So why do you think?

00:36:13.000 I mean, I could see H-1B is a direct correlation policy where it's like, we're going to take your job.

00:36:18.000 So it's a direct one-to-one thing.

00:36:20.000 It's not like we're going to bring in students and they could potentially take your jobs.

00:36:23.000 That's why H-1B is like the biggest thing in Gen Z because it's directly just these people are coming in to take your job versus a policy that where that could happen. 0.97

00:36:32.000 And so that's why I think H1B is a big issue for Gen Z.

00:36:36.000 And so that ties into kind of just another thing, Israel.

00:36:39.000 So why do you think Gen Z is so caught up on Israel versus other countries that we give more foreign money to?

00:36:45.000 Brady, do you want to go first?

00:36:47.000 Yeah, sir.

00:36:48.000 I think right now a lot of it is the algorithm.

00:36:51.000 I think people are getting fed this content from like more alt-right creators.

00:36:55.000 And really all they talk about is Israel.

00:36:57.000 So that's really all they see online.

00:36:59.000 I think also it's because there was such a stigma behind talking about it in American politics for a long time because the lobby is very strong, as I talked about back on the panel as well in the summer.

00:37:09.000 So it had this big stigma.

00:37:11.000 And now that the Overton window is kind of shifting, people are allowed to talk about it more now.

00:37:16.000 So you get these like radicalizing elements that really do kind of corrupt our young generation because it's so easily to attach yourself to it without really knowing what they're talking about.

00:37:26.000 Yeah.

00:37:27.000 Go ahead, Dino.

00:37:28.000 Right.

00:37:29.000 I pretty much completely concur with everything that Brady just said.

00:37:32.000 I'm going to tack on this a little bit at the end here.

00:37:34.000 And that is that I think a lot of us, we want a reason to be upset sometimes.

00:37:40.000 Some people, they want to get out their anger, their frustrations.

00:37:43.000 Perhaps it's because they haven't been reading their Bible.

00:37:45.000 Perhaps they've got something going on in their life.

00:37:47.000 And Israel's just a soft target for a lot of people because they know that if they go on social media and they start dogging on Israel, they're going to get clicks.

00:37:54.000 That's not to say there's not legitimate criticisms.

00:37:57.000 There are legitimate criticisms, but it's certainly not the biggest issue for the United States today.

00:38:02.000 It's just one that people are easily able to sort of take out their anger on, as far as I'm concerned.

00:38:09.000 You know, a funny thing, I talk to Charlie about this is sometimes an issue just takes on a life of its own.

00:38:16.000 And that issue has been one.

00:38:17.000 It's funny because it's not, it's not a new thing.

00:38:20.000 I remember them talking about it a ton when I was growing up in the early 2000s.

00:38:23.000 People were talking about it a ton in the 80s, in the 70s, in the 60s, all the way back to the 40s.

00:38:29.000 It is just, it is an issue that has repeatedly gotten people to fixate on it.

00:38:34.000 And you can think there's other issues like that.

00:38:36.000 You know, a lot of the entire gay rights movement thing was a lot like that.

00:38:40.000 People were just, for a while, they really fixated on it and they thought it was of huge moral salience and importance.

00:38:47.000 And I think the Israel thing is kind of like that.

00:38:49.000 It becomes a little subset where what you feel about it reflects how you feel about the world.

00:38:56.000 And it's like very easy to heavily moralize in both directions.

00:39:00.000 And it's really easy to get extremely angry and extremely passionate about it.

00:39:05.000 And at the same time, for most people who are engaging with it, they have no direct personal stake.

00:39:10.000 It is something on the far side of the world.

00:39:12.000 It's like, you know, for some people, it's practically like arguing about the plot of a television show.

00:39:16.000 For others, it's not.

00:39:17.000 But for a lot of people, it is.

00:39:19.000 And so I think it's an issue that it's very easy to feel intense moral righteousness about.

00:39:26.000 And that causes people to fixate on it.

00:39:29.000 And it's not likely to go away.

00:39:31.000 Where I would disagree is, I don't think it's algorithmically driven in the sense that it was created by China to divide us.

00:39:38.000 I know some people say that.

00:39:39.000 I think it's algorithmically driven in the sense that successful algorithms give people content they want to see that will keep them coming back.

00:39:46.000 And it turns out that's content people just love engaging with over and over and over again.

00:39:50.000 I do think there's some strong evidence that there's a lot of foreign bots involved and a lot of it's giving people a reward cycle online.

00:40:00.000 They get clicks, they get comments, a lot of which are bots, but they see those engagement numbers and they go, ooh, let's go back to it.

00:40:06.000 It's so easy to say my opponents only believe this because they're paid to do it or because of foreign propaganda.

00:40:12.000 I don't believe that.

00:40:12.000 And we had that with the Trump thing.

00:40:14.000 You guys are so young.

00:40:15.000 You might not remember 2015 and 2016 when it was Russian bots who made people support Trump.

00:40:20.000 That's what the left would say.

00:40:21.000 Oh, this only happened because Russia did propaganda for Trump.

00:40:25.000 It's a lie.

00:40:26.000 People supported Trump for direct organic reasons.

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 And listen, we totally reject the Jew hate thing.

00:40:35.000 And I do think there is a historic reason to believe, repeated throughout history, to scapegoat Jewish people, to scapegoat Israel.

00:40:45.000 Listen, you can have a variety of opinions on this issue.

00:40:48.000 We don't believe in calling everybody an anti-Semite just because you disagree with the Likud Party.

00:40:52.000 Okay, that's not what we're saying.

00:40:53.000 But listen, there is a heightened importance to Israel.

00:40:57.000 It's wrapped up in eschatology.

00:40:59.000 It's wrapped up in our shared faith.

00:41:02.000 There is a, you know, obviously Israel is getting attacked on all sides, candidly, by its neighbors.

00:41:08.000 So there's lots baked in here.

00:41:11.000 There's historical references to World War II.

00:41:14.000 We have to acknowledge at some level Israel is a special case.

00:41:19.000 It's an outside case.

00:41:21.000 I would just say one more thing.

00:41:22.000 Ties into earlier on the show.

00:41:24.000 Do you guys see this with Islam too?

00:41:26.000 Like, what is Gen Z's thoughts on Islam right now, trying to conquer the West? 1.00

00:41:32.000 There's definitely not enough focus on it.

00:41:34.000 I mean, what was it, like two days ago, where you had that whole fiasco?

00:41:38.000 I think Nick Shirley getting like accosted in front of the Dearborn, Michigan City Council meeting or whatever is going on.

00:41:47.000 I mean, I just went on a whole thing about this the other day.

00:41:49.000 And I think that this is a whole lot more concerning to me.

00:41:52.000 The fact that we're not paying attention to what's going on with Islam.

00:41:55.000 Because I'll tell you what, Islam is making a concerted effort to actually take over our country and change our foundational values. 1.00

00:42:02.000 That's legitimately scary.

00:42:04.000 And we're putting up with it because we have this suicidal empathy where we say, oh, well, they come from like these really rough parts of the world and we just need to help them.

00:42:11.000 They're not here to be helped.

00:42:13.000 They don't actually want your help a lot of the time.

00:42:16.000 They will openly admit that they do not want to assimilate to the United States of America.

00:42:21.000 The guy on the Dearborn City Council was just talking about that the other day.

00:42:24.000 They don't want to assimilate. 0.94

00:42:26.000 Yeah, that was actually the mayor, I think.

00:42:28.000 Yeah, we played that.

00:42:29.000 We actually played that clip earlier.

00:42:32.000 We totally agree with you, by the way, that we do need to be more focused on Islam.

00:42:36.000 And it's a travesty that we get distracted by these other things.

00:42:40.000 Charlie was certainly highlighting it at the end of his life.

00:42:43.000 And we are definitely going to be doing the same.

00:42:47.000 Guys, it's been wonderful having you.

00:42:49.000 I think I really genuinely mean this.

00:42:50.000 I hope people are hearing what you have to say.

00:42:53.000 The H-1B focus from you guys.

00:42:57.000 I hope people in power are listening.

00:42:59.000 I'm going to send the clips to people in power to help make them listening because I do think it's a generational wide.

00:43:04.000 Wouldn't you say, Danny, it's like generationally Gen Z outpunches beyond its weight class here. 0.88

00:43:12.000 One of the only policies where it's a directly taking your job first, the other ones lead to that potentially, but H-1B directly affects our generation specifically.

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 Well, and I put that Will Kane video out on Twitter.

00:43:26.000 I think it did like a million and a half views or something like that.

00:43:29.000 Guys, honored to have you.

00:43:31.000 Dino and Brady, University of Kentucky, University of Arkansas.

00:43:34.000 Good luck with your event tonight, Brady.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, good luck with Page March.

00:43:38.000 Yeah.

00:43:39.000 All right, brother.

00:43:40.000 Thank you guys.

00:43:41.000 That's going to wrap it up for us here at the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:43:43.000 We will see you tomorrow.

00:43:45.000 Until then, have a good evening.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 20, 2025

Why is Gen Z Going "Doomer"?

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