The Charlie Kirk Show - July 30, 2025


Why Islam Isn't Compatible With the West ft. Ridvan Aydemir


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Ridvan Idemir is a former Muslim who is now a Christian and runs a YouTube channel called "The Apostate Prophet" and is very outspoken about Islam. In this episode, he talks about why he left Islam and how he became a Christian.

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00:01:25.000 I have not stopped since when, Mikey, 7.30, right?
00:01:28.000 I don't think I ate anything all day.
00:01:30.000 So I'm going to do some active listening.
00:01:32.000 This is one of the most important topics close to my heart.
00:01:36.000 What is your last name?
00:01:37.000 Idemir.
00:01:37.000 Idemir.
00:01:38.000 Ridvan Idemir, who is a former Muslim.
00:01:41.000 He runs a channel called The Apostate Prophet, and you are very outspoken about Islam.
00:01:47.000 So welcome.
00:01:48.000 Thank you.
00:01:49.000 And why don't you take a moment, just introduce yourself to our audience?
00:01:52.000 Sure, thank you so much.
00:01:53.000 So I'm Ridvan Idemir, Apostate Prophet.
00:01:56.000 That's the channel that I started.
00:01:59.000 I'm a former Muslim, was born in Germany, of Turkish, very religious Muslim parents, now live here in America, was an atheist for like 10 years or so, and have recently become a Christian.
00:02:16.000 Praise the Lord.
00:02:17.000 So there's so many directions to go here.
00:02:20.000 Why did you leave Islam?
00:02:22.000 That's a very long story.
00:02:24.000 I've had a long day, so take as much time as you'd like.
00:02:29.000 So where should I start?
00:02:30.000 I mean, as said, so I was part of a family that was always very religious, that was Sunni Muslim, a very popular form of Islam.
00:02:41.000 They raised me under semi-strict circumstances, which are very weird from an American perspective, such as at home we weren't allowed to listen to music, for example.
00:02:51.000 Can you imagine that?
00:02:54.000 We were raised with the idea.
00:02:56.000 This is a funny thing.
00:02:57.000 I have to bring up this aspect actually before going into it, to give you a better understanding.
00:03:02.000 I was a child of immigrants from Turkey to Germany.
00:03:06.000 So we lived in Germany, a Christian nation, or you could call some aspects of it post-Christian.
00:03:13.000 It's more secular.
00:03:14.000 Yeah, but still, still pretty Christian.
00:03:16.000 I was raised under Christian circumstances at school while having Islam completely built into my mind at home.
00:03:25.000 So you were raised by Muslims?
00:03:27.000 Yes, yes.
00:03:28.000 And while I am there in that Christian country, I would go to school as a little child and encounter all these wonderful, nice, beautiful people and admire the German culture, admire the Western culture, admire Christianity.
00:03:43.000 But at home, from my own family and their surroundings, I would learn from a very young age that you cannot trust non-Muslims. 1.00
00:03:52.000 You cannot trust Christians. 1.00
00:03:54.000 You cannot trust Jews is a whole different topic. 1.00
00:03:59.000 It's more than not trusting Jews. 0.99
00:04:01.000 Yes.
00:04:02.000 To give you a very simple example, it was, I think I was in first or second grade.
00:04:07.000 It's very, very difficult to remember nowadays, but there was a weekend where my family took me and my siblings to a religious gathering that they would usually go to.
00:04:18.000 And during that religious gathering, I heard that in the possible near future, we Muslims will fight the Jews and we will kill them. 0.93
00:04:29.000 And even the rocks and trees will say to us, O Muslim, there is a Jew behind me. 0.92
00:04:34.000 Come and kill him.
00:04:35.000 Except for one tree called the Karakat tree, which is a tree of the Jews. 1.00
00:04:40.000 So this is what I heard.
00:04:42.000 I also heard then that the Christians would also be among our enemies, but with them it would be a little bit more complicated because Jesus... 0.93
00:04:52.000 Yeah.
00:04:53.000 There is an eschatological belief in Islam that Jesus comes in the end times.
00:04:56.000 Is that right?
00:04:57.000 Yeah.
00:04:57.000 Exactly.
00:04:58.000 I wanted to get into that.
00:04:58.000 But it's a very corrupt form of...
00:05:05.000 Well, they don't believe he was God, but they believe he was the Messiah.
00:05:09.000 Is that correct?
00:05:10.000 Yes, but they also don't really know what the Messiah is.
00:05:13.000 So what they do believe is that Jesus, who is an Islam called Isa, with a kind of corruption of his name, was actually just a prophet of Allah, and he came here.
00:05:26.000 He was Muslim.
00:05:26.000 Yeah, he was a Muslim, and he came here to deliver the Muslim message and to ask people to submit to Islam.
00:05:32.000 That's all he was.
00:05:35.000 It is, obviously.
00:05:37.000 And if you go with the Christian narrative, right, if you accept that Jesus came and he was actually truthful, you can't have another message after him.
00:05:48.000 You can't have another religion after him. 0.99
00:05:50.000 And Islam comes and acts as if Jesus was simply a messenger, but his entire message was all corrupted by his followers, the Christians, who became hypocrites and evil. 1.00
00:06:04.000 And the actual true message is that of Islam. 0.91
00:06:07.000 And according to Islam, Jesus will come back, and what he will do, according to Muhammad, is he will come back and he will break the cross and kill the pigs, and then will reign as a Muslim ruler over the people. 0.97
00:06:22.000 According to some interpretations, that is meant to be so when he breaks the cross and kills the pigs and abolishes a protection money imposed on non-Muslims, it means that he will come to the Christians and tell them what the real religion actually is, which is this.
00:06:39.000 Isn't that Sakat, the tax, or something?
00:06:41.000 Yeah, it's the jizya. 0.87
00:06:43.000 Oh, that's right.
00:06:44.000 It has a very questionable name, but it's just.
00:06:48.000 So I have so many questions here.
00:06:50.000 So you leave Islam because it just didn't ring to me true. 1.00
00:06:56.000 So I became very religious at some point in my life when I was a late teenager, became very dedicated and started reading the Quran.
00:07:07.000 When I read the Quran, the problem started arising because, believe it or not, Muslims will tell you that it is the best book ever written and that nobody can write a better book than the Quran. 1.00
00:07:17.000 But if you read it, my friend David Wood, with whom I stream a lot, he...
00:07:25.000 People love David Wood.
00:07:27.000 You should have him too.
00:07:28.000 You should invite him at some point.
00:07:30.000 But he's fantastic.
00:07:31.000 He likes to quote somebody who says that reading the Quran is like penance.
00:07:37.000 I don't feel that way with the Bible, though.
00:07:39.000 No.
00:07:39.000 So let's just start.
00:07:40.000 I want to get to why you left Islam. 0.89
00:07:42.000 So the Quran is separated in surahs, is that right?
00:07:45.000 Yes.
00:07:46.000 Surahs.
00:07:47.000 Two chapters.
00:07:48.000 But it's not chronological.
00:07:49.000 It's the longest first.
00:07:51.000 Is that correct?
00:07:52.000 Correct.
00:07:53.000 And it kind of jumps.
00:07:54.000 Is there 64 of them?
00:07:56.000 Is that right?
00:07:57.000 They're actually 140.
00:07:59.000 Oh, wow.
00:07:59.000 I'm way off.
00:08:00.000 Okay.
00:08:00.000 And so part of it is normative Christian theology, but it's all counterfeit.
00:08:06.000 Is that right?
00:08:08.000 You are partly right there.
00:08:10.000 It has some Christian aspects, but it has also...
00:08:29.000 So was what is considered Islam predate Muhammad and he just adopted it as a warlord?
00:08:35.000 According to some theories, yes, according to the official narrative and the Islamic narrative, which I think is quite plausible, he's the one who comes up with it.
00:08:43.000 He comes from a family of polytheistic Arab pagans, but he starts going against their traditions and saying that there is only one God named Allah.
00:08:53.000 So he starts this whole new religion and starts attacking the polytheists and their idols and all that. 0.89
00:09:00.000 So fast forwarding back to you, we're going to jump all over the place.
00:09:05.000 You leave Islam. 1.00
00:09:05.000 Just like the Quran. 1.00
00:09:06.000 Exactly.
00:09:06.000 It's all over the place.
00:09:07.000 The Quran is like, I'm reading this thing.
00:09:09.000 I'm like, by the way, don't read it unless you're ready to be super confused.
00:09:12.000 I think it's kind of dark.
00:09:14.000 I mean, I could use the word demonic.
00:09:15.000 It's very stupid.
00:09:16.000 Yeah, it's stupid.
00:09:17.000 Thank you.
00:09:19.000 So you leave Islam, you're an atheist. 0.83
00:09:21.000 What brought you to Jesus?
00:09:22.000 It was a very long process.
00:09:25.000 But for most of the time as an atheist, I was convinced that there is no God because I couldn't prove it.
00:09:34.000 But I always had respect for religion.
00:09:36.000 I had respect for Christianity.
00:09:37.000 I always made that very clear.
00:09:40.000 The thing is, over the many years after I left Islam, I tried to keep up this whole narrative, this whole charade, to be very honest now, that after leaving Islam and thinking for myself and being independent and not believing in fairy tales, that I'm a very happy person now. 0.90
00:09:57.000 The thing is, for all those 10 years, I wasn't happy.
00:10:01.000 I was really struggling inside.
00:10:04.000 It was really bad.
00:10:06.000 And one of the big issues that I have always had was that humans seek purpose in this world.
00:10:13.000 We seek a purpose in life.
00:10:15.000 We do everything for a purpose.
00:10:17.000 I had accepted at a certain point that there seems to be no inherent purpose or meaning to life.
00:10:24.000 It's so nihilistic.
00:10:25.000 All, yeah.
00:10:26.000 And I thought, okay, I can make peace with that idea, but I never did.
00:10:30.000 Because it's incredibly...
00:10:35.000 Because finding peace and no meaning in itself is a contradiction.
00:10:39.000 Because that would be meaning and finding no meaning.
00:10:42.000 Exactly.
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00:11:39.000 So it's a self-defeating statement because it's like, oh, I'm going to find meaning and not having meaning.
00:11:45.000 Well, then you just found meaning.
00:11:46.000 Yeah.
00:11:47.000 So one method.
00:11:48.000 Definitionally, you can't escape it.
00:11:50.000 Exactly.
00:11:51.000 One way to go against that is to simply embrace the absurdity of it all, which I was trying to do, and to simply live with it.
00:11:58.000 But it's very difficult.
00:12:00.000 It is extremely difficult.
00:12:02.000 And it was actually until I looked further into the evidence for Christianity that I was quite surprised.
00:12:10.000 Because as an atheist, I often heard, and I was also under the impression, that Christianity simply relies on different accounts by people who didn't witness anything, who lived long after Jesus.
00:12:24.000 It's not true.
00:12:25.000 And who just wrote things down about him without knowing it from hearsay.
00:12:30.000 It's very funny because only when I was slowly approaching Christianity did I find out that this is complete nonsense. 1.00
00:12:37.000 But so many people propagate this idiotic idea.
00:12:39.000 Oh yeah, I mean and Luke, for example, was a first-class historian.
00:12:42.000 I mean he was a historian of the first order who wrote most of the New Testament.
00:12:47.000 And he was paid, Theophilus paid him to go research this stuff and be like, find out who this Jesus guy is.
00:12:55.000 And he wrote basically a definitive documentary.
00:13:00.000 He wrote Luke and Acts.
00:13:01.000 That's all written by Luke.
00:13:03.000 And he basically said, oh, Theophus means lover of God.
00:13:06.000 Here's what I learned, right?
00:13:09.000 And by the way, it's completely consistent with the other Gospels.
00:13:12.000 And so you eventually, that led you to Jesus.
00:13:15.000 Yeah, it was also about Paul.
00:13:17.000 So at that point, I was seeking religion, but I was exploring other religions.
00:13:22.000 I was exploring, for example, Judaism, which I still have a lot of respect for and try to figure out and understand and all that.
00:13:28.000 But in the middle of that, at that point, I was like, I thought, okay, I like religion, but I don't want to go into the direction of Christianity.
00:13:35.000 It's very funny.
00:13:36.000 One day my wife, who actually went into the direction of Christianity before me, asked me to read something in Romans, just one little section, about how Paul says, I can do nothing of my own, and it is all God.
00:13:51.000 So I started reading that, and it kind of originally I accepted it and decided to read part of it because I thought, come, okay, she's asking me, I guess I'll just do it.
00:14:04.000 Then I sat down and started reading it, and I was fascinated by it.
00:14:06.000 So I started reading, I read the entire thing, all of Romans.
00:14:11.000 And then I started looking into how Paul came to his conclusions.
00:14:15.000 And suddenly it turns out that everything I have been told about the witness accounts and about what Paul did and wrote is all a lie.
00:14:24.000 Because the historical account, very clearly, is that he directly met and spent so much time with the disciples of Jesus himself and with the apostles.
00:14:35.000 He didn't do anything on his own.
00:14:38.000 He did it all together with those who were directly in the presence of Jesus, who saw all the things that Jesus did and said, who witnessed miracles.
00:14:49.000 They have it confirmed to each other that hundreds of people witnessed the miracles that are recorded in this book that we now call the New Testament, in the Gospels.
00:15:01.000 And just going into that, I felt a little bit betrayed because I thought for 10 years now, I was a skeptic and I learned that, oh, I'm supposed to trust only first-hand evidence, absolutely, empiricist and all that.
00:15:17.000 And then I found out that I have been completely lied to about all the evidence of Christianity.
00:15:22.000 It is the most robust, historically verified faith, period.
00:15:27.000 Absolutely.
00:15:28.000 It's not even class.
00:15:29.000 Everything else is a lie.
00:15:30.000 Judaism is not a lie.
00:15:31.000 It's just incomplete.
00:15:33.000 It's just half the story.
00:15:35.000 But nothing else exists like it, period.
00:15:38.000 Especially from a historical tech standpoint.
00:15:40.000 And so for you, that's so interesting.
00:15:43.000 So your path to Jesus was mostly through the mind, not through the heart.
00:15:47.000 It was both, I would say.
00:15:49.000 If it wasn't the heart, it wouldn't have- Yeah.
00:15:54.000 But your reason led you towards Christ.
00:15:56.000 And that's okay.
00:15:56.000 Everyone has a different path.
00:15:59.000 I'm actually very happy to say that this is very funny because as a skeptic, as an atheist, it was very important to me to always give people the impression that everything I do is based completely on reason and logic and evidence and all that.
00:16:15.000 However, the way I felt about Christianity once I started reading also had a great impact and I found peace.
00:16:24.000 You know, I don't want to make a comparison now to Judaism, for example, but I looked into Judaism and I was very interested in it.
00:16:31.000 I had lots of admiration for it, lots of love for it, but I tried the Jewish prayers, for example, and something felt incomplete for me.
00:16:38.000 Incomplete is the word.
00:16:40.000 Yeah, and this is not a diss for Judaism.
00:16:42.000 But once I started reading the New Testament and I actually did my first prayer the Christian way, it was very moving.
00:16:55.000 It brought something back that I felt had died within me so many decades ago.
00:17:02.000 And it is still there.
00:17:04.000 When I first went to church, I was quite overwhelmed.
00:17:09.000 And I have been...
00:17:13.000 Yes, Orthodox.
00:17:14.000 Eastern Orthodox.
00:17:14.000 It's a beautiful faith.
00:17:15.000 Yes, yes.
00:17:16.000 The divine liturgy.
00:17:18.000 Oh, it really is.
00:17:19.000 What I love about Orthodox, actually, I have an Orthodox priest, is that the right term?
00:17:23.000 Or clergy coming on my show on Tuesday, and I'm going to ask him, it's not, I mean, I'm evangelical, but I love, and correct me if I'm wrong, in Orthodox, you're very careful, you're more clear about what God is not than what God is.
00:17:38.000 Is that correct?
00:17:39.000 Precisely.
00:17:40.000 Precisely.
00:17:40.000 It's like very, we're not going to, it drives me nuts when people say they over-ascribe definitions to God, and I think that's super prideful.
00:17:50.000 So I think you start with what God isn't, and I think that that's the baseline of Orthodox faith.
00:17:55.000 Is that right?
00:17:55.000 It's very a humble approach to the Lord.
00:17:57.000 That is Orthodox theology, basically.
00:18:00.000 That also fascinated me when I found out about this because for the longest time, I heard a lot of debates and discussions about whether God exists or not and the evidence for God and so on.
00:18:11.000 And I know that those debates have great impact on a lot of people.
00:18:16.000 I myself felt usually unmoved by much of it.
00:18:20.000 It didn't appeal to me.
00:18:22.000 But when I started to understand Orthodox theology, for example, I realized that I really loved the mystery of it.
00:18:32.000 So in Western theology, there was a lot of attempts to describe precisely what God is and how God is and what God does.
00:18:39.000 And in Orthodoxy, it's rather wicked. 1.00
00:18:41.000 That is correct.
00:18:42.000 It's a very Calvinist German lawyerly way of looking.
00:18:45.000 And by the way, I think he was right about a lot.
00:18:47.000 But John Calvin was like, I'm going to figure out all the attributes of God, very specific and definitionally.
00:18:53.000 And he might end up being right.
00:18:54.000 We might go to heaven and he might have crushed it.
00:18:57.000 But the problem with that is you get really wacky theology if somebody takes that premise and they have no idea what they're talking about.
00:19:04.000 For example, Episcopalians are like, oh, God is a woman, right?
00:19:08.000 Or God is trans. 0.79
00:19:10.000 So that can go a really bad place very quickly.
00:19:13.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:19:14.000 Like in the modern era, we've seen that what I think Calvin started in a pretty good spirit grow to something pretty dark 500 years later.
00:19:23.000 Yeah, you could argue that.
00:19:25.000 So let's get back.
00:19:26.000 So you're Christian.
00:19:28.000 Let me just kind of go through a rapid fire, If that's okay.
00:19:31.000 But let's first go through Islam 101.
00:19:33.000 Is it true that they say Muhammad is the greatest man ever to live? 1.00
00:19:38.000 Yes.
00:19:39.000 Was Muhammad a warlord?
00:19:42.000 Yes.
00:19:42.000 How many people did he kill?
00:19:45.000 Personally or approximation.
00:19:49.000 Lots.
00:19:50.000 Thousands.
00:19:51.000 Yeah.
00:19:52.000 How many was he responsible for?
00:19:53.000 Tens of thousands of deaths?
00:19:55.000 Yeah.
00:19:56.000 Is it true that he married a nine-year-old named Aisha?
00:19:59.000 No, he actually married a six-year-old.
00:20:01.000 Oh, I'm sorry.
00:20:02.000 Okay.
00:20:03.000 So six-year-old.
00:20:05.000 So we've got to make sure we're very clear here.
00:20:08.000 There's no misinformation.
00:20:10.000 So that would be pedophile.
00:20:12.000 Yeah.
00:20:12.000 Actually, if I can pause there for a second.
00:20:15.000 No, please.
00:20:15.000 And if I'm wrong, correct me.
00:20:16.000 I'm not here to, I want the truth.
00:20:18.000 I want our audience to have the truth.
00:20:20.000 No, I want to, I like to, as disgusting as it is, I would like to pause there for a second because when we talk about a six-year-old being married, first off, it's not simply marrying a six-year-old.
00:20:32.000 It is the Prophet Muhammad, the most perfect figure for womankind. 0.66
00:20:36.000 He is in his 50s, and without any necessity at all, he picks and marries a six-year-old little girl.
00:20:46.000 And then when she's nine years old, he then consummates the marriage in his mid-50s with her.
00:20:52.000 And that's his third wife, and at that point, his second living wife.
00:21:00.000 So he has absolutely no need for this.
00:21:02.000 He does it just because.
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00:22:09.000 So let me, let's steel man this.
00:22:12.000 If an Islamic cleric was right here, how would they defend that? 1.00
00:22:18.000 They would say a few things, such as those were different times.
00:22:21.000 The response to that would be, okay, but isn't Muhammad supposed to be the perfect moral example for all mankind for all times, including right now?
00:22:30.000 So it doesn't matter if it was a different time.
00:22:33.000 Second defense would be that she transmitted a lot of accounts of things that he did and did not do, so it was actually a very good thing for him to marry her and be so intimate with her.
00:22:45.000 But seriously?
00:22:47.000 We are supposed to argue that this was the great divine plot.
00:22:50.000 So his legacy lived on, so that's why he rates a nine-year-old.
00:22:54.000 Got it.
00:22:54.000 What else would they say?
00:22:57.000 Some would say this is okay and there is nothing wrong with it because as soon as a girl shows signs of development, she is ready to breed. 1.00
00:23:05.000 Okay, do any of them say it's factually incorrect?
00:23:10.000 If they're serious traditional Muslim scholars, they will not say that.
00:23:14.000 If they are kind of reformists or modernists.
00:23:17.000 That she was allegorically nine?
00:23:21.000 They will say stupid excuses, such as that they started counting her age only after a certain time, or that there are different accounts.
00:23:30.000 She might have been 10 or 8 or something else.
00:23:32.000 And that makes a huge difference.
00:23:34.000 A huge difference.
00:23:35.000 So Muhammad, the greatest man ever to live, the greatest example, was a warlord who married a six-year-old, raped her when she was nine, and then kept multiple wives. 0.99
00:23:48.000 Now, to be clear, the Bible also has plenty of stories of multiple wives and bad behavior.
00:23:53.000 But this is so important.
00:23:55.000 There's a difference between what the Bible describes and what the Bible prescribes.
00:24:01.000 Description of behavior in the Bible does not mean prescription of the Bible.
00:24:06.000 For example, Solomon having many wives is not prescribed to you.
00:24:09.000 It actually ended really bad for him.
00:24:11.000 He ended as a madman, actually.
00:24:13.000 And Ecclesiastes is like one of the saddest books ever.
00:24:15.000 He's like, meaningless, meaningless.
00:24:17.000 All of life is meaningless.
00:24:18.000 So I love that book, though.
00:24:19.000 Isn't it beautiful?
00:24:20.000 No, meaning.
00:24:20.000 It's sad in the beginning, and then all of a sudden he finds that meaning is God.
00:24:24.000 And there is a season for everything.
00:24:25.000 There's a season for suffering.
00:24:26.000 There's a season for sorrow.
00:24:27.000 There's a season for happiness.
00:24:28.000 Point being, though, is that people would counter just for you here.
00:24:31.000 Oh, but in the Christian Bible, and the kicker, guys, we never say Solomon is the greatest man ever to live.
00:24:37.000 Precisely.
00:24:38.000 This is the whole important thing.
00:24:39.000 They hold Muhammad at a higher level than Christ our Lord. 0.99
00:24:43.000 Yes.
00:24:43.000 So I just, and would you say this is one of the strongest arguments to cross-examine Islam?
00:24:49.000 Morally, yeah.
00:24:50.000 Okay.
00:24:51.000 So let's just talk more about Muhammad.
00:24:54.000 So he, they believe he went to heaven at some point, is that right, in Jerusalem?
00:25:01.000 So, um.
00:25:01.000 Like on a horse or something?
00:25:02.000 Yeah, it's called the night journey.
00:25:04.000 So they believe that he went, that one night he was woken up by the angel.
00:25:10.000 And Angel Gabriel, right?
00:25:11.000 Oh, yeah.
00:25:12.000 Angel Gabriel.
00:25:13.000 They could have used a different name.
00:25:15.000 He was put on the back of an animal that was bigger than a donkey and smaller than a horse, is what it says.
00:25:22.000 And he was then taken by that donkey to the farthest mosque, as it says. 0.91
00:25:28.000 And then from there, he was taken up to heaven, where he saw all the prophets.
00:25:34.000 Then later on, he was taken also to hell, where he saw all the people.
00:25:37.000 By the way, what he saw in hell is very interesting.
00:25:40.000 He saw that the majority of hell dwellers were women. 0.95
00:25:42.000 That's what he said to women. 1.00
00:25:44.000 And he told them, this is because you people, you women, are ungrateful. 1.00
00:25:49.000 So you have to be more obedient to me.
00:25:57.000 That's basically Muhammad, right? 0.99
00:25:59.000 So okay, I just want to make sure.
00:26:01.000 So, biographically, so this guy was a warlord, Bedouin tribes fractured, unites these Bedouin polytheistic tribes around polytheism.
00:26:11.000 Who wrote the Quran, in your opinion?
00:26:14.000 So, the Islamic narrative is that the Quran is a word-for-word.
00:26:19.000 This is also, by the way, a huge difference between the Bible and the Quran.
00:26:22.000 The Quran is considered the word-for-word verbatim dictated word of Allah, the nature.
00:26:29.000 And he is supposed to have brought it through the words of Gabriel to Muhammad, who then recites it to the people around him, who then make notes of it.
00:26:40.000 And after Muhammad dies, they decide to come together and turn all of this into one big book. 0.63
00:26:45.000 That is the official account.
00:26:46.000 And many Muslims are not even aware of this.
00:26:48.000 They think Muhammad himself approved of it and oversaw the writing of it.
00:26:51.000 So, and isn't that a divide between Shia and Sunni of what Muhammad said and what he didn't say?
00:26:55.000 Yeah, in a way, yes.
00:26:57.000 So what is a hadith?
00:26:59.000 The hadith is the traditions attributed to Muhammad, things that he did and things that he said, as reported by his followers and their successors.
00:27:09.000 So Muhammad creates this religion. 1.00
00:27:13.000 There are five pillars of Islam.
00:27:15.000 Let me see if I can get them right, okay?
00:27:16.000 Let me see if I can get them.
00:27:18.000 Pray five times a day.
00:27:19.000 Ramadan fasting.
00:27:21.000 Yes.
00:27:21.000 Hajj.
00:27:22.000 Yes.
00:27:23.000 Charity.
00:27:24.000 kiss.
00:27:25.000 And I'm pretty good at four, though, right?
00:27:30.000 That's not bad.
00:27:31.000 What is the fifth?
00:27:32.000 The Shahada, which is the creed. 0.65
00:27:34.000 Where you say that.
00:27:36.000 Isn't that the prayer?
00:27:37.000 Or no?
00:27:38.000 No, no, no, that's separate.
00:27:40.000 Oh.
00:27:40.000 You have to say the Shahada to become part of the religion.
00:27:43.000 Okay.
00:27:44.000 So I testify there is no God but Allah and God is the messenger of Allah.
00:27:48.000 So those five, none of those are like necessarily offensive except the Islamic one to us, so we don't have to spend too much time on that. 0.98
00:27:56.000 Is that the core of their faith, those five things?
00:27:59.000 So you would say that those things are the ones that essentially make one a Muslim. 0.82
00:28:03.000 But it doesn't stop there.
00:28:05.000 So then Muhammad dies, Islam grows and grows and grows and grows. 1.00
00:28:11.000 By the sword.
00:28:12.000 By the sword.
00:28:14.000 This is important.
00:28:15.000 So how did it grow?
00:28:16.000 Did it grow through conversion and love or did it grow through conquest?
00:28:21.000 This is actually one of the biggest differences between Christianity and Islam, which I think is a very important point to stand on here. 0.99
00:28:27.000 So Christianity, we know, starts with Christ, God taking on flesh, becoming the lowest of us, becoming part of us and inviting us to him.
00:28:41.000 It starts through suffering, and his followers spread it and tell people about it.
00:28:48.000 They lose their lives on this path, and over centuries it develops through simply preaching and being persecuted.
00:28:55.000 Islam starts very differently. 0.99
00:28:57.000 Muhammad starts out there in Mecca, then goes to Medina and starts his Islamic state, from which he then begins raiding and attacking others. 0.99
00:29:08.000 And from then on, his successors, once he dies, take over that exact same attitude and start spreading Islam by attacking everyone left and right. 1.00
00:29:19.000 And most of the Muslim territories in today's time are a result of violent conquests. 1.00
00:29:26.000 That's right.
00:29:27.000 Because there's actually a very good quote that I love to bring up by Ibn Khaldun, who was a medieval Muslim scholar, very much respected.
00:29:35.000 And he wrote in a work called Muqaddimah, he wrote that the great difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is that Islam is the only religion that has a truly universal mission.
00:29:46.000 And the leader of Islam, the caliph, is supposed to be the one who is both the religious leader and also the military leader and the state leader who has the duty to spread the religion by will or by force.
00:30:00.000 This is Islam.
00:30:01.000 And that's how it spreads.
00:30:02.000 Does it say in the Quran that you should take multiple wives? 0.64
00:30:08.000 It says you can take multiple wives. 0.99
00:30:10.000 So not that you should, but you can.
00:30:11.000 Yeah, you can.
00:30:12.000 You can take up to one, two, three, four, like tomatoes, like I'm sure.
00:30:15.000 Got it.
00:30:16.000 Is it true that it talks very poorly about women?
00:30:20.000 Yes.
00:30:21.000 How so?
00:30:22.000 Well, in chapter 4, it's very funny.
00:30:26.000 Yeah, the Surah 4 is called women. 0.98
00:30:29.000 And some Muslims will say, look, it has a chapter called Women.
00:30:32.000 It must be nice to women. 1.00
00:30:34.000 Well, look into the chapter.
00:30:36.000 So in verse 24 of it, it says that Muslims may only have sex with those that they are married to and with those that they possess, which means with their sex slaves. 0.99
00:30:49.000 So Islam directly allows sex slavery through war and also tells Muslims that they are allowed to have sex with them as they wish. 0.99
00:30:56.000 In verse 34, it then says that Muslim women are to obey their husbands fully because he is superior. 0.97
00:31:04.000 If she disobeys, or no, if a husband fears arrogance from a woman, he is to admonish her, separate in beds, and if that doesn't help, he may beat her. 0.88
00:31:16.000 And according to Muhammad's own companions, actually according to Muhammad's own child bride, Aisha, she said that she didn't see any other women who were suffering as much as the Muslim women.
00:31:28.000 One day a woman comes in and her skin is greener than the green clothes that she's wearing. 0.99
00:31:34.000 And she comes to complain about her husband, how much he's beating her.
00:31:38.000 Muhammad ends up basically justifying the beating and saying that lots of women come to complain about their husbands and they are not the best women.
00:31:47.000 And this is Islam's legacy. 0.99
00:31:49.000 So the Quran directly allows Muslims to beat their wives and describes them as lesser beings. 0.97
00:31:54.000 And you can still see this very much unfold and manifest in Muslims. 1.00
00:31:58.000 Is it true it says to convert or kill?
00:32:01.000 It, yes.
00:32:02.000 There is another option.
00:32:03.000 So chapter 9, verse 29.
00:32:05.000 That's right.
00:32:06.000 It says...
00:32:08.000 Jizya.
00:32:10.000 It says directly there that those who don't accept Islam and those who don't believe in Allah and Muhammad, you are to fight them, specifically Jews and Christians and others, until they are humiliated and pay protection money. 0.98
00:32:24.000 So you are to convert them or to make them pay protection money.
00:32:27.000 If they don't pay protection money, you can kill them.
00:32:29.000 That's it.
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00:33:28.000 What are the other objectionable teachings that you think the West should know?
00:33:33.000 Are they allowed to lie in the name of Islam? 0.95
00:33:36.000 That's a common thing I hear.
00:33:38.000 I'm sure you've heard it.
00:33:39.000 That's a very complicated topic, but you could say yes, although it is sometimes misrepresented, because there is one aspect which is called taqiyyah.
00:33:48.000 Yes, that's right.
00:33:49.000 So taqiyya allows Muslims normally, if they are in certain circumstances where telling people that they are Muslims would cause trouble, they are given the permission to lie about it. 1.00
00:34:02.000 But that's not the only aspect where they are allowed to lie.
00:34:05.000 So sometimes people think taqiyya means that they are all allowed to lie.
00:34:08.000 But in general, without giving it a name, the Quran authorizes Muslims to simply speak half the truth, basically, in giving responses. 0.71
00:34:19.000 And to always speak in whatever way Islam benefits. 1.00
00:34:24.000 And Muslims are allowed by Muhammad to deceive the enemies of Islam. 0.99
00:34:29.000 And enemies of Islam are all those that are not Muslims. 0.99
00:34:34.000 So Islam is rapidly taking over the West. 1.00
00:34:37.000 Yes.
00:34:38.000 Is that by accident or by design?
00:34:40.000 You could say that it is by design, but then we have to have a discussion about...
00:34:48.000 Yeah, who's the designer?
00:34:49.000 What kind of designer is it?
00:34:50.000 Well, let me put it this way.
00:34:52.000 Is the Muslim world thrilled they're taking over the West? 1.00
00:34:55.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:34:56.000 When I was a child in Germany, when I was a teenager, I repeatedly heard that it's a fantastic thing that we are taking over, that our numbers are growing.
00:35:07.000 And you could now say, okay, this is just something that you yourself heard, but it's not just me.
00:35:11.000 Today I still hear the same thing.
00:35:13.000 In fact, this is the main reason why I decided to speak out, because after I left Islam, I had horrible deception and basically oppression of my mind behind me. 0.89
00:35:22.000 I wanted to get away from it.
00:35:23.000 But I look into the world and I see people saying stuff like, Islam is misunderstood.
00:35:27.000 It's a religion of peace.
00:35:28.000 It's not a religion of peace.
00:35:30.000 It is not a religion that wants to coexist with you. 0.77
00:35:32.000 We have today in the UK, in many other countries, we have Muslims, preachers openly saying that the vision of Muslims should be to take over Western nations, that the numbers should be growing, there should be more politicians involved in the public, in the UK, in Canada, in Australia.
00:35:49.000 Gladly we are not at that stage in America, but we have to act quickly unless we want to also get into those situations, because it is a duty of Muslims to establish Islam as a governing force wherever they are or to leave. 0.74
00:36:06.000 They don't want to leave.
00:36:07.000 Do they believe in separation of mosque and state?
00:36:10.000 No, they don't.
00:36:11.000 In fact, in Islam, it is actually considered haram, forbidden, to establish laws that are separate from whatever Allah has established.
00:36:21.000 So it is considered forbidden, not allowed, to have secularism.
00:36:27.000 So the growth of Islam in the West, do you think that Christians and Westerners adequately understand it?
00:36:34.000 No.
00:36:36.000 What, and we're short on time, I'm sorry, I could talk for two hours.
00:36:41.000 What keeps you up at night or worries you most about this flavor and this ascendant force of Islam? 1.00
00:36:49.000 The most important thing is the ignorance of the non-Muslims, of those that we have among us. 1.00
00:36:57.000 We have lots of people speaking.
00:36:59.000 We have lots of people speaking online.
00:37:00.000 We have lots of people speaking about all kinds of things.
00:37:03.000 I think there are some people who like us to talk about different political entities or different states, how they are trying to subvert us and so on.
00:37:11.000 I think the biggest subverter of Western societies, of free nations, is Islam. 1.00
00:37:17.000 and we need to be talking about it.
00:37:19.000 I think the most disturbing thing about all of this is that we have Muslim communities in Michigan, in Minnesota, in Texas even now Yes, epic city. 1.00
00:37:28.000 And elsewhere that openly speak of spreading Islam and making this We don't want to make it look like we are subverting people.
00:37:38.000 We just want to peacefully spread it and grow and take over.
00:37:42.000 But if you allow enough power to be taken by those who want to establish Islam as governing force, you will very, very quickly lose control because they will not allow you to take it back. 0.98
00:37:56.000 They will want to impose it.
00:37:57.000 Do you think Islam is compatible with Western civilization? 1.00
00:38:00.000 Absolutely not.
00:38:01.000 So I said that.
00:38:02.000 I don't know if you saw that.
00:38:03.000 Got 75 million views on my tweet.
00:38:06.000 People thought, oh, that is crazy.
00:38:08.000 Prove my point for me.
00:38:09.000 Western civilization was formed and shaped by philosophers and by Christianity.
00:38:16.000 Islam is anti-Christianity. 1.00
00:38:18.000 Islam orders the subjugation and the destruction and eventual eradication and elimination of Christianity. 1.00
00:38:26.000 It orders the destruction of secular societies.
00:38:29.000 We have freedom in the West, something that we value so much at this conference in America.
00:38:35.000 We have freedom.
00:38:36.000 We love freedom.
00:38:37.000 Islam is anti-freedom. 1.00
00:38:39.000 One very little trivia about me.
00:38:42.000 I have Turkish citizenship.
00:38:43.000 I lived in Turkey for a while.
00:38:45.000 Right now, it's very difficult for me to get back into Turkey because despite Turkey being a secular country.
00:38:50.000 And part of NATO.
00:38:52.000 Yeah.
00:38:52.000 I have multiple lawsuits against me by the Turkish government because I dared to say things Like, quote, the Quran is a book of ignorance.
00:39:03.000 For that, they are suing me.
00:39:05.000 The Turkish government, I can't go back there. 1.00
00:39:07.000 There is no freedom.
00:39:08.000 There is no free speech.
00:39:09.000 If you give the power, you will lose everything.
00:39:12.000 And so, just really quick to capstone that: Islam being incompatible with Western civilization, but they'll say there's peaceful Muslims. 1.00
00:39:21.000 And what would you say is the, what should the Western approach to Islam be?
00:39:27.000 First off, realize what you're dealing with.
00:39:30.000 Realize that it is not simply a religion.
00:39:32.000 Acknowledge that it is incompatible with your societies.
00:39:36.000 And then begin to directly address it and make sure that you do not allow them to take advantage of your well-meaning attitude and your liberal policies of immigration, for example.
00:39:55.000 If you see Islam spreading and political Islam spreading, remove it. 1.00
00:40:00.000 Make policies about it.
00:40:01.000 Get rid of it.
00:40:02.000 Kick it out before it's too late.
00:40:04.000 And here's the thing.
00:40:07.000 This might be a little bit controversial, but the freedoms that we have in the West, they were established.
00:40:11.000 The values that we have in the West were established.
00:40:15.000 even America was founded by people who had in mind that these are values that unite us, these people that So these nations are founded in order to have people like us with our values to live together.
00:40:36.000 That's why we have freedom, because we cherish it, we value it, we can do it.
00:40:39.000 They weren't meant to be offered to every single anti-freedom group that comes in and wants to abolish it and abuse it in order to oppress you.
00:40:48.000 How do you get treated by Muslims?
00:40:51.000 I usually get a death penalty in Islam. 1.00
00:40:55.000 Do you get a lot of death threats?
00:40:56.000 Yes, lots of them.
00:40:57.000 What do they say to you?
00:40:58.000 I will behead you.
00:40:59.000 I will rape your family. 0.99
00:41:00.000 This is the religion of peace?
00:41:02.000 Yes.
00:41:03.000 It's very peaceful.
00:41:05.000 Once they kill you, it's all peaceful, you know?
00:41:07.000 Oh.
00:41:08.000 So to close it out, your name is Apostate Prophet. 0.64
00:41:12.000 Yes.
00:41:12.000 Do you speak Arabic?
00:41:13.000 I do not.
00:41:15.000 Turkish? 0.54
00:41:15.000 I study it. 0.54
00:41:16.000 Yes, yes.
00:41:16.000 Okay.
00:41:18.000 So you know the original text well enough?
00:41:20.000 Yeah, I studied it for many years.
00:41:22.000 So that's why you're so dangerous.
00:41:23.000 Yes.
00:41:24.000 And you have a big platform, and you know it.
00:41:27.000 You know this stuff well.
00:41:28.000 And they can't argue, because with me, they're like, oh, that's not what it really says.
00:41:32.000 It's context-dependent.
00:41:33.000 And honestly, I kind of have a soft spot because there's so much biblical butchery with context stuff.
00:41:38.000 So I'm like really careful with that.
00:41:39.000 You know what I mean?
00:41:40.000 I'm like a very big context guy because some people say, oh, the Bible's terrible because of something in Leviticus 19.
00:41:46.000 Like, okay.
00:41:47.000 How much time do you have?
00:41:49.000 But you are saying this even with context.
00:41:51.000 Yes.
00:41:52.000 You're saying commands you to, does it command you to kill Jews?
00:41:57.000 Yeah.
00:41:58.000 In the long term, yeah.
00:42:00.000 It commands them to oppress Jews and that eventually Muslims will kill the Jews. 0.99
00:42:05.000 You are supposed to wait for it.
00:42:07.000 How can people support you?
00:42:08.000 I think you're a man of great courage.
00:42:10.000 I mean, this is a big fight.
00:42:11.000 You're up against the great menace, and it's growing.
00:42:14.000 Islamism is growing. 0.99
00:42:15.000 It is.
00:42:16.000 It is, unfortunately.
00:42:17.000 Thank you so much, first of all, for offering this.
00:42:19.000 No, I saw him.
00:42:20.000 You were on some interview.
00:42:21.000 Who were you on?
00:42:22.000 Matt Fred.
00:42:23.000 Yeah, I like that guy.
00:42:24.000 I'm supposed to go on his show.
00:42:25.000 You guys know Matt Fred of Pinto Aquinas?
00:42:28.000 Yeah.
00:42:30.000 He's a really smart guy.
00:42:31.000 And I listened to like 10 minutes of you on him, and I texted my team.
00:42:35.000 I said, I don't know who this guy is, but he's amazing because I have really started, as you know, speaking more and more about Islam.
00:42:42.000 Thank you for the visitor.
00:42:43.000 And everyone's, I'm hated for 900 different things.
00:42:46.000 I have real jihadis and purple-haired jihadis.
00:42:48.000 I have both.
00:42:49.000 They both hate me.
00:42:51.000 But I said, I've been looking for you because you can educate me and also you can kind of do some of the grunt work.
00:42:59.000 I don't speak Turkish or Arabic.
00:43:01.000 I don't have time to study the Quran.
00:43:02.000 I don't want to study that crap.
00:43:04.000 I know it enough.
00:43:06.000 And so I think really sincerely, your voice is incredibly important.
00:43:10.000 I really appreciate that.
00:43:11.000 And I thank you so much.
00:43:13.000 And I think that this should be a beginning.
00:43:15.000 We should start talking about this matter very seriously.
00:43:18.000 Yes.
00:43:19.000 Should speak up more and more from here on because this is a very crucial topic.
00:43:24.000 We don't have time for questions, but if you're okay, would you stay around and just hang with some people?
00:43:27.000 Sure, yes, yes.
00:43:28.000 Well, God bless you.
00:43:29.000 It's the apostate prophet. 0.92
00:43:30.000 God bless you guys.
00:43:31.000 Thank you so much.
00:43:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:43:35.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:43:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.