Ridvan Idemir is a former Muslim who is now a Christian and runs a YouTube channel called "The Apostate Prophet" and is very outspoken about Islam. In this episode, he talks about why he left Islam and how he became a Christian.
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00:01:59.000I'm a former Muslim, was born in Germany, of Turkish, very religious Muslim parents, now live here in America, was an atheist for like 10 years or so, and have recently become a Christian.
00:02:30.000I mean, as said, so I was part of a family that was always very religious, that was Sunni Muslim, a very popular form of Islam.
00:02:41.000They raised me under semi-strict circumstances, which are very weird from an American perspective, such as at home we weren't allowed to listen to music, for example.
00:03:28.000And while I am there in that Christian country, I would go to school as a little child and encounter all these wonderful, nice, beautiful people and admire the German culture, admire the Western culture, admire Christianity.
00:03:43.000But at home, from my own family and their surroundings, I would learn from a very young age that you cannot trust non-Muslims.
00:04:02.000To give you a very simple example, it was, I think I was in first or second grade.
00:04:07.000It's very, very difficult to remember nowadays, but there was a weekend where my family took me and my siblings to a religious gathering that they would usually go to.
00:04:18.000And during that religious gathering, I heard that in the possible near future, we Muslims will fight the Jews and we will kill them.
00:04:29.000And even the rocks and trees will say to us, O Muslim, there is a Jew behind me.
00:04:42.000I also heard then that the Christians would also be among our enemies, but with them it would be a little bit more complicated because Jesus...
00:05:10.000Yes, but they also don't really know what the Messiah is.
00:05:13.000So what they do believe is that Jesus, who is an Islam called Isa, with a kind of corruption of his name, was actually just a prophet of Allah, and he came here.
00:05:37.000And if you go with the Christian narrative, right, if you accept that Jesus came and he was actually truthful, you can't have another message after him.
00:05:48.000You can't have another religion after him.
00:05:50.000And Islam comes and acts as if Jesus was simply a messenger, but his entire message was all corrupted by his followers, the Christians, who became hypocrites and evil.
00:06:04.000And the actual true message is that of Islam.
00:06:07.000And according to Islam, Jesus will come back, and what he will do, according to Muhammad, is he will come back and he will break the cross and kill the pigs, and then will reign as a Muslim ruler over the people.
00:06:22.000According to some interpretations, that is meant to be so when he breaks the cross and kills the pigs and abolishes a protection money imposed on non-Muslims, it means that he will come to the Christians and tell them what the real religion actually is, which is this.
00:06:39.000Isn't that Sakat, the tax, or something?
00:06:50.000So you leave Islam because it just didn't ring to me true.
00:06:56.000So I became very religious at some point in my life when I was a late teenager, became very dedicated and started reading the Quran.
00:07:07.000When I read the Quran, the problem started arising because, believe it or not, Muslims will tell you that it is the best book ever written and that nobody can write a better book than the Quran.
00:07:17.000But if you read it, my friend David Wood, with whom I stream a lot, he...
00:08:10.000It has some Christian aspects, but it has also...
00:08:29.000So was what is considered Islam predate Muhammad and he just adopted it as a warlord?
00:08:35.000According to some theories, yes, according to the official narrative and the Islamic narrative, which I think is quite plausible, he's the one who comes up with it.
00:08:43.000He comes from a family of polytheistic Arab pagans, but he starts going against their traditions and saying that there is only one God named Allah.
00:08:53.000So he starts this whole new religion and starts attacking the polytheists and their idols and all that.
00:09:00.000So fast forwarding back to you, we're going to jump all over the place.
00:09:40.000The thing is, over the many years after I left Islam, I tried to keep up this whole narrative, this whole charade, to be very honest now, that after leaving Islam and thinking for myself and being independent and not believing in fairy tales, that I'm a very happy person now.
00:09:57.000The thing is, for all those 10 years, I wasn't happy.
00:12:02.000And it was actually until I looked further into the evidence for Christianity that I was quite surprised.
00:12:10.000Because as an atheist, I often heard, and I was also under the impression, that Christianity simply relies on different accounts by people who didn't witness anything, who lived long after Jesus.
00:13:17.000So at that point, I was seeking religion, but I was exploring other religions.
00:13:22.000I was exploring, for example, Judaism, which I still have a lot of respect for and try to figure out and understand and all that.
00:13:28.000But in the middle of that, at that point, I was like, I thought, okay, I like religion, but I don't want to go into the direction of Christianity.
00:13:36.000One day my wife, who actually went into the direction of Christianity before me, asked me to read something in Romans, just one little section, about how Paul says, I can do nothing of my own, and it is all God.
00:13:51.000So I started reading that, and it kind of originally I accepted it and decided to read part of it because I thought, come, okay, she's asking me, I guess I'll just do it.
00:14:04.000Then I sat down and started reading it, and I was fascinated by it.
00:14:06.000So I started reading, I read the entire thing, all of Romans.
00:14:11.000And then I started looking into how Paul came to his conclusions.
00:14:15.000And suddenly it turns out that everything I have been told about the witness accounts and about what Paul did and wrote is all a lie.
00:14:24.000Because the historical account, very clearly, is that he directly met and spent so much time with the disciples of Jesus himself and with the apostles.
00:14:38.000He did it all together with those who were directly in the presence of Jesus, who saw all the things that Jesus did and said, who witnessed miracles.
00:14:49.000They have it confirmed to each other that hundreds of people witnessed the miracles that are recorded in this book that we now call the New Testament, in the Gospels.
00:15:01.000And just going into that, I felt a little bit betrayed because I thought for 10 years now, I was a skeptic and I learned that, oh, I'm supposed to trust only first-hand evidence, absolutely, empiricist and all that.
00:15:17.000And then I found out that I have been completely lied to about all the evidence of Christianity.
00:15:22.000It is the most robust, historically verified faith, period.
00:15:59.000I'm actually very happy to say that this is very funny because as a skeptic, as an atheist, it was very important to me to always give people the impression that everything I do is based completely on reason and logic and evidence and all that.
00:16:15.000However, the way I felt about Christianity once I started reading also had a great impact and I found peace.
00:16:24.000You know, I don't want to make a comparison now to Judaism, for example, but I looked into Judaism and I was very interested in it.
00:16:31.000I had lots of admiration for it, lots of love for it, but I tried the Jewish prayers, for example, and something felt incomplete for me.
00:17:19.000What I love about Orthodox, actually, I have an Orthodox priest, is that the right term?
00:17:23.000Or clergy coming on my show on Tuesday, and I'm going to ask him, it's not, I mean, I'm evangelical, but I love, and correct me if I'm wrong, in Orthodox, you're very careful, you're more clear about what God is not than what God is.
00:17:40.000It's like very, we're not going to, it drives me nuts when people say they over-ascribe definitions to God, and I think that's super prideful.
00:17:50.000So I think you start with what God isn't, and I think that that's the baseline of Orthodox faith.
00:18:00.000That also fascinated me when I found out about this because for the longest time, I heard a lot of debates and discussions about whether God exists or not and the evidence for God and so on.
00:18:11.000And I know that those debates have great impact on a lot of people.
00:18:16.000I myself felt usually unmoved by much of it.
00:18:54.000We might go to heaven and he might have crushed it.
00:18:57.000But the problem with that is you get really wacky theology if somebody takes that premise and they have no idea what they're talking about.
00:19:04.000For example, Episcopalians are like, oh, God is a woman, right?
00:20:18.000I want our audience to have the truth.
00:20:20.000No, I want to, I like to, as disgusting as it is, I would like to pause there for a second because when we talk about a six-year-old being married, first off, it's not simply marrying a six-year-old.
00:20:32.000It is the Prophet Muhammad, the most perfect figure for womankind.
00:20:36.000He is in his 50s, and without any necessity at all, he picks and marries a six-year-old little girl.
00:20:46.000And then when she's nine years old, he then consummates the marriage in his mid-50s with her.
00:20:52.000And that's his third wife, and at that point, his second living wife.
00:21:00.000So he has absolutely no need for this.
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00:22:12.000If an Islamic cleric was right here, how would they defend that?
00:22:18.000They would say a few things, such as those were different times.
00:22:21.000The response to that would be, okay, but isn't Muhammad supposed to be the perfect moral example for all mankind for all times, including right now?
00:22:30.000So it doesn't matter if it was a different time.
00:22:33.000Second defense would be that she transmitted a lot of accounts of things that he did and did not do, so it was actually a very good thing for him to marry her and be so intimate with her.
00:22:57.000Some would say this is okay and there is nothing wrong with it because as soon as a girl shows signs of development, she is ready to breed.
00:23:05.000Okay, do any of them say it's factually incorrect?
00:23:10.000If they're serious traditional Muslim scholars, they will not say that.
00:23:14.000If they are kind of reformists or modernists.
00:23:35.000So Muhammad, the greatest man ever to live, the greatest example, was a warlord who married a six-year-old, raped her when she was nine, and then kept multiple wives.
00:23:48.000Now, to be clear, the Bible also has plenty of stories of multiple wives and bad behavior.
00:26:14.000So, the Islamic narrative is that the Quran is a word-for-word.
00:26:19.000This is also, by the way, a huge difference between the Bible and the Quran.
00:26:22.000The Quran is considered the word-for-word verbatim dictated word of Allah, the nature.
00:26:29.000And he is supposed to have brought it through the words of Gabriel to Muhammad, who then recites it to the people around him, who then make notes of it.
00:26:40.000And after Muhammad dies, they decide to come together and turn all of this into one big book.
00:26:59.000The hadith is the traditions attributed to Muhammad, things that he did and things that he said, as reported by his followers and their successors.
00:28:57.000Muhammad starts out there in Mecca, then goes to Medina and starts his Islamic state, from which he then begins raiding and attacking others.
00:29:08.000And from then on, his successors, once he dies, take over that exact same attitude and start spreading Islam by attacking everyone left and right.
00:29:19.000And most of the Muslim territories in today's time are a result of violent conquests.
00:29:27.000Because there's actually a very good quote that I love to bring up by Ibn Khaldun, who was a medieval Muslim scholar, very much respected.
00:29:35.000And he wrote in a work called Muqaddimah, he wrote that the great difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is that Islam is the only religion that has a truly universal mission.
00:29:46.000And the leader of Islam, the caliph, is supposed to be the one who is both the religious leader and also the military leader and the state leader who has the duty to spread the religion by will or by force.
00:30:36.000So in verse 24 of it, it says that Muslims may only have sex with those that they are married to and with those that they possess, which means with their sex slaves.
00:30:49.000So Islam directly allows sex slavery through war and also tells Muslims that they are allowed to have sex with them as they wish.
00:30:56.000In verse 34, it then says that Muslim women are to obey their husbands fully because he is superior.
00:31:04.000If she disobeys, or no, if a husband fears arrogance from a woman, he is to admonish her, separate in beds, and if that doesn't help, he may beat her.
00:31:16.000And according to Muhammad's own companions, actually according to Muhammad's own child bride, Aisha, she said that she didn't see any other women who were suffering as much as the Muslim women.
00:31:28.000One day a woman comes in and her skin is greener than the green clothes that she's wearing.
00:31:34.000And she comes to complain about her husband, how much he's beating her.
00:31:38.000Muhammad ends up basically justifying the beating and saying that lots of women come to complain about their husbands and they are not the best women.
00:32:10.000It says directly there that those who don't accept Islam and those who don't believe in Allah and Muhammad, you are to fight them, specifically Jews and Christians and others, until they are humiliated and pay protection money.
00:32:24.000So you are to convert them or to make them pay protection money.
00:32:27.000If they don't pay protection money, you can kill them.
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00:33:39.000That's a very complicated topic, but you could say yes, although it is sometimes misrepresented, because there is one aspect which is called taqiyyah.
00:33:49.000So taqiyya allows Muslims normally, if they are in certain circumstances where telling people that they are Muslims would cause trouble, they are given the permission to lie about it.
00:34:02.000But that's not the only aspect where they are allowed to lie.
00:34:05.000So sometimes people think taqiyya means that they are all allowed to lie.
00:34:08.000But in general, without giving it a name, the Quran authorizes Muslims to simply speak half the truth, basically, in giving responses.
00:34:19.000And to always speak in whatever way Islam benefits.
00:34:24.000And Muslims are allowed by Muhammad to deceive the enemies of Islam.
00:34:29.000And enemies of Islam are all those that are not Muslims.
00:34:34.000So Islam is rapidly taking over the West.
00:34:56.000When I was a child in Germany, when I was a teenager, I repeatedly heard that it's a fantastic thing that we are taking over, that our numbers are growing.
00:35:07.000And you could now say, okay, this is just something that you yourself heard, but it's not just me.
00:35:13.000In fact, this is the main reason why I decided to speak out, because after I left Islam, I had horrible deception and basically oppression of my mind behind me.
00:35:30.000It is not a religion that wants to coexist with you.
00:35:32.000We have today in the UK, in many other countries, we have Muslims, preachers openly saying that the vision of Muslims should be to take over Western nations, that the numbers should be growing, there should be more politicians involved in the public, in the UK, in Canada, in Australia.
00:35:49.000Gladly we are not at that stage in America, but we have to act quickly unless we want to also get into those situations, because it is a duty of Muslims to establish Islam as a governing force wherever they are or to leave.
00:36:59.000We have lots of people speaking online.
00:37:00.000We have lots of people speaking about all kinds of things.
00:37:03.000I think there are some people who like us to talk about different political entities or different states, how they are trying to subvert us and so on.
00:37:11.000I think the biggest subverter of Western societies, of free nations, is Islam.
00:37:19.000I think the most disturbing thing about all of this is that we have Muslim communities in Michigan, in Minnesota, in Texas even now Yes, epic city.
00:37:28.000And elsewhere that openly speak of spreading Islam and making this We don't want to make it look like we are subverting people.
00:37:38.000We just want to peacefully spread it and grow and take over.
00:37:42.000But if you allow enough power to be taken by those who want to establish Islam as governing force, you will very, very quickly lose control because they will not allow you to take it back.
00:39:09.000If you give the power, you will lose everything.
00:39:12.000And so, just really quick to capstone that: Islam being incompatible with Western civilization, but they'll say there's peaceful Muslims.
00:39:21.000And what would you say is the, what should the Western approach to Islam be?
00:39:27.000First off, realize what you're dealing with.
00:39:30.000Realize that it is not simply a religion.
00:39:32.000Acknowledge that it is incompatible with your societies.
00:39:36.000And then begin to directly address it and make sure that you do not allow them to take advantage of your well-meaning attitude and your liberal policies of immigration, for example.
00:39:55.000If you see Islam spreading and political Islam spreading, remove it.
00:40:07.000This might be a little bit controversial, but the freedoms that we have in the West, they were established.
00:40:11.000The values that we have in the West were established.
00:40:15.000even America was founded by people who had in mind that these are values that unite us, these people that So these nations are founded in order to have people like us with our values to live together.
00:40:36.000That's why we have freedom, because we cherish it, we value it, we can do it.
00:40:39.000They weren't meant to be offered to every single anti-freedom group that comes in and wants to abolish it and abuse it in order to oppress you.