The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Jack Smith's Trump Trial Will Flop

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, Jack Pesobic joins us as we talk to Ed Martin.

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:04.000 And then we also talk about ending Jew hatred on campus.

00:00:09.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast.

00:00:12.000 Open up your podcast application and type in Charlie Kirk Show and get involved with TurningPointUSA and tpusa.com.

00:00:19.000 That's tpusa.com.

00:00:20.000 It's already a high school or college chapter today at tpusa.com.

00:00:25.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:26.000 Here we go.

00:00:27.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:28.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:31.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:34.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:37.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:38.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:39.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:00:46.000 Turning point USA. 0.65

00:00:48.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:57.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:00.000 Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandTodd.com.

00:01:09.000 Joining us now is Ed Martin, January 6th lawyer and also board member of the Patriot Freedom Project.

00:01:14.000 Ed, welcome to the program.

00:01:15.000 We also got Jack Pesobic here that is going to be co-piloting.

00:01:19.000 So Ed, tell us about what the Supreme Court could potentially do here to basically overturn or nullify some of these convictions of the overuse of the specific statute going after January 6th defendants.

00:01:30.000 Yeah, thanks, Charlie.

00:01:31.000 Thanks for covering this too.

00:01:32.000 You know, 1512 is the section of 18 USC 1512, and it was used.

00:01:37.000 It's really when you write the history of this period, Charlie, they will go all the way back to Enron and a guy named Andrew Andrew Weissman.

00:01:45.000 Andrew Weissman was a prosecutor who destroyed Arthur Anderson.

00:01:48.000 He destroyed individual lives.

00:01:50.000 It's written about really well in the book License to Lie.

00:01:54.000 All the way forward, he goes on the Mueller team.

00:01:56.000 Weissman does.

00:01:57.000 He tries to use this law, 1512 C, which was created at that time because they didn't want to just have to do obstruction of justice, which is where somebody actually messes with a proceeding, with an actual legal ongoing process.

00:02:12.000 They made this loosey-goosey thing called obstruction of official proceeding, and then they could call everything an official proceeding.

00:02:19.000 You could call the Kavanaugh hearings an official proceeding.

00:02:21.000 You could call the Electoral College Count an official proceeding.

00:02:24.000 By the way, you could call a school board an official proceeding.

00:02:27.000 And if you get up and yell and protest and advocate and lobby and you disrupt it in any way, that the chairman gavels out the meeting.

00:02:35.000 You've disrupted an official proceeding.

00:02:37.000 And here's where it gets twisted, Charlie.

00:02:38.000 It's a 20-year felony.

00:02:40.000 So you've got hundreds of January 6th defendants who have vandalism, trespass, misdemeanor charges.

00:02:47.000 And in comes the Andrew Weissman hammer, the 1512 that says 20 years in jail.

00:02:53.000 It's what they use to justify people being held for years because these are felonious insurrectionists.

00:03:00.000 So that's what the Supreme Court took up.

00:03:02.000 They took it up on two key questions about whether it should be applied at all and whether one of the elements corruptly is a word should be should be allowed on people that walk through the Capitol, for example.

00:03:13.000 This is the beginning of, I hope, an unraveling of the question.

00:03:17.000 And Pessoba will love this because this is his kind of move.

00:03:20.000 We don't care.

00:03:21.000 I don't care now about unraveling it.

00:03:24.000 We will.

00:03:24.000 Now I want to know is who ordered the 1512?

00:03:27.000 It's like who ordered the code red?

00:03:29.000 Somebody picked this.

00:03:31.000 If it was Garland or Lisa Monaco or Joe Biden or Hunter, somebody ordered the code, the ordered 1512.

00:03:39.000 And that's what we have to find out next. 0.50

00:03:41.000 And that guy or gal needs to end up in jail.

00:03:44.000 Jack.

00:03:44.000 His name is Andrew Weissman.

00:03:46.000 What's up, Ed?

00:03:46.000 No, his name is Andrew Weissman.

00:03:48.000 And we know this because when Andrew Weissman ran the Mueller investigation into Trump, he was banging the drum for 1512 the entire time he was running this thing.

00:03:59.000 Bill Barr came in and shut it down and said, We're going to close the whole thing.

00:04:02.000 It was the entire second half of the Mueller report was all about 1512.

00:04:06.000 But then Barr comes in and writes the opinion that says, No, we're not going to do this.

00:04:09.000 This is insane.

00:04:10.000 Then Weissman leaves government.

00:04:12.000 Of course, Biden comes in and Weissman still goes on MSNBC and spent an entire year saying 1512, 1512, 1512, 1512, obstruction on Trump, obstruction on Trump.

00:04:22.000 So I'll tell you right now, that's exactly who it was: him working through his meat puppet of Merrick Garland, who is still, no, there's like a Svengali voodoo kind of thing going on there because Merrick Garland, of course, is still so incredibly bitter and angry and out for revenge over the fact that Republicans prevented him from his having his seat, which he believed he was entitled to, his seat on the Supreme Court when Mitch McConnell.

00:04:51.000 And credit where it's due, Mitch McConnell was the person who blew that up.

00:04:55.000 And Ed, when I look at these, these obstruction charges, because we do have a tension here, right?

00:05:00.000 And what you're talking about is actually attention because if you say that any disruption then becomes obstruction, then doesn't that actually essentially take away the right to protest itself?

00:05:11.000 Because every protest is an obstruction of some official proceeding if you want to expand it that much.

00:05:17.000 That's why I believe the Supreme Court has taken up this case.

00:05:20.000 And actually, that's why I believe the Supreme Court must rule on this case, because Charlie, we do have a tension here between the statutes.

00:05:28.000 We have a tension between the statute and our rights, to petition for a redress of our grievances.

00:05:33.000 That's the First Amendment.

00:05:34.000 And of course, the fact that this has been used in such a way is absolutely egregious.

00:05:40.000 But I got to say, the fact that we have originalists on the court now, the fact that thanks to Trump, thanks to Donald J. Trump and his supporters, like Ed Martin and like Phyllis Schlafly, her last presidential endorsement was, and her greatest was Donald J. Trump.

00:05:57.000 The fact that we have those there, we have the Trump court, and it's not that there's pro-Trump, it's that they're pro-Constitution.

00:06:02.000 We don't have a living constitution.

00:06:04.000 We have the Constitution.

00:06:05.000 So then, Ed, is this going to be a June decision or is this something that they could do pretty quick?

00:06:10.000 Yes.

00:06:10.000 Yeah.

00:06:10.000 No, it looks like it'll be set for argument late March, early April.

00:06:14.000 They'll brief back to today and they'll decide in June.

00:06:17.000 I would say it's the last one decision of the court.

00:06:19.000 By the way, I'll say it.

00:06:21.000 I think it's pretty much guaranteed.

00:06:22.000 Trump won't go to trial.

00:06:23.000 There'll be no Trump trial in D.C. because of this.

00:06:26.000 It'll have to be delayed.

00:06:27.000 Even the animals that try to do this, Jack Smith and the judge, have to, they get boxed in by the system time-wise.

00:06:34.000 So this gets us through to the election and we can see.

00:06:37.000 But Jack got it exactly right.

00:06:38.000 I just want to say one thing about that.

00:06:40.000 The expansion of this from being about evidence and tampering to, as you say, lobbying advocacy.

00:06:48.000 It's a way to use lawfare against the Constitution, our First Amendment right and all the rest.

00:06:54.000 And that's exactly what is the conflict here.

00:06:56.000 It's why it's got to be taken up.

00:06:57.000 But again, it's why our team, meaning conservatives, we the people, have to now go and hold these people accountable.

00:07:04.000 This is not about revenge.

00:07:06.000 This is about people who misuse the law against we the people.

00:07:10.000 And you know, I sound like an old ACLU lawyer.

00:07:13.000 We got to get control of these federal prosecutors and get more freedom for our people.

00:07:17.000 An old one, an old one.

00:07:19.000 This is important.

00:07:20.000 As Cicero and James Madison both would say, the more laws, the less justice.

00:07:23.000 The more voluminous the laws, the hard it is to get justice.

00:07:26.000 So they both said the same thing.

00:07:27.000 But this is important.

00:07:28.000 So there's a billion classified documents.

00:07:31.000 No one can ever tell you the straight face that there should be 1 billion classified federal documents.

00:07:37.000 And what I see a pattern is those things don't seem connected.

00:07:41.000 Is what the federal government has done is they have created laws that will only be enforced against political dissidents.

00:07:49.000 So for example, I mean, everybody is violating the classified document stuff every night, right?

00:07:53.000 Right now, Majorkas is violating it.

00:07:54.000 Last night, Merrick Garland violated it, right?

00:07:56.000 It's as simple as did you take a piece of paper home, right?

00:08:00.000 You could be indicted on this stuff.

00:08:02.000 Ed, talk about how the regime has very, in a very clever fashion, they have fashioned laws and focused on enforcing laws on things that everybody can be potentially found guilty of.

00:08:16.000 Well, again, you're exactly right.

00:08:18.000 They do it in two ways.

00:08:19.000 One is they create more laws and then they intentionally make them vague and stretchable.

00:08:24.000 And frankly, then they get to courts where the judges will go along and play along with them.

00:08:29.000 And this is the best example we've had in a long time.

00:08:32.000 Again, this statute was, and you know, Charlie, it's the oldest trick in the Ram Emanu book. 0.62

00:08:39.000 Make a crisis, make everybody crazy, and solve it. 0.86

00:08:43.000 After the Enron scandal, these morons, just like after 2000, the Help America Vote Act happened, they threw money at the problem and made all of our election systems. 0.96

00:08:52.000 I was running an election system. 0.98

00:08:53.000 They said, oh, 2000 was bad.

00:08:55.000 Let's throw money at the problem and buy electronic systems that nobody can audit.

00:08:59.000 And so after the Enron scandal, they do Sarbanes-Oxley and they create all these massive, loosey-goosey laws, just like Charlie would write to it.

00:09:07.000 They're trying to have more surveillance and they say, oh, national security, national security.

00:09:13.000 This is a real problem.

00:09:14.000 Look, we've flipped the Reagan.

00:09:16.000 You know, I was going to say this.

00:09:17.000 Jack beat me to it. 0.60

00:09:18.000 Illinois created Phyllis Schlafly, Ronald Reagan, and Charlie Kirk.

00:09:22.000 It's pretty good, Charlie.

00:09:23.000 You're in a pretty good run there.

00:09:24.000 I don't know what Philly.

00:09:26.000 I don't know what Philly.

00:09:27.000 Philly didn't do as much.

00:09:28.000 Rocky Balbo and Pesobic. 0.51

00:09:30.000 It's going down.

00:09:31.000 Excuse me.

00:09:31.000 Alito, Alito, Samuel Alito.

00:09:34.000 Philly Catholic. 0.56

00:09:34.000 We have to be fair. 0.56

00:09:35.000 Sam Alito.

00:09:36.000 Hold on a second. 0.95

00:09:36.000 At Chicago, we also have Axelrod and Hillary Clinton. 0.95

00:09:42.000 We don't claim Barack Hussein Obama.

00:09:43.000 Okay.

00:09:44.000 We don't.

00:09:44.000 I'm not sure who claims him.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:09:47.000 Ed, you're talking about a book that Rush was obsessed with, License to Lie by Sidney Powell that really talks about this.

00:09:55.000 I remember every day I would hear Rush Limbaugh.

00:09:58.000 I mean, I think he was the most, the number one promoter.

00:10:01.000 And remember, Rush zeroed in on this because it was about Sidney Powell, who worked for the Department of Justice, who saw firsthand what Weissman and that pack of thugs did and the Weissman kind of regime.

00:10:14.000 I hope everyone understands there's five or six of these very slippery people that run our country right now.

00:10:19.000 It's like Mark Elias, Weissman, you know, there's Valerie Jarrett, and they're Susan Rice.

00:10:26.000 Susan Rice.

00:10:26.000 That's exactly right.

00:10:27.000 So every one of these different issues has a suppressive, very smart person who navigates.

00:10:36.000 MyPillow is excited to bring you their biggest betting sale ever and just in time for Christmas.

00:10:41.000 For a limited time, get the Giza Dream bed sheets for as low as $29.98.

00:10:45.000 A set of pillowcases for just $9.98 and rejuvenate your bed with MyPillow mattress topper for as low as $99.99.

00:10:55.000 They also have blankets in a variety of sizes and colors and styles.

00:10:59.000 They even have blankets for your pets.

00:11:01.000 Get duvets, quilts, down comforters, body pillows, bolster pillows, and so much more.

00:11:07.000 All the biggest discounts of the year are happening now.

00:11:10.000 They're extending their money back guarantee for Christmas until March 1st, 2024, making them the perfect gift for your friends and your family and everyone you know.

00:11:20.000 So go to mypillow.com and use promo code Kirk or call 1-800-875-0425 and you get huge discounts.

00:11:27.000 Get big discounts on all my pillow bedding products, including the Giza Dream Sheets for as low as $29.98 and get all your shopping done now while quantities last.

00:11:35.000 That's mypillow.com, promo code Kirk.

00:11:40.000 So, so Jack, you had a really smart point.

00:11:42.000 This is a cause set in motion, right?

00:11:44.000 So, this is a singular decision that could impact hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands.

00:11:50.000 You want to ask out a question on this?

00:11:52.000 Because I think you brought up something really smart.

00:11:56.000 I did want to throw a question out there.

00:11:57.000 I also want to throw out that there is one other Philadelphia Republican, and that is one of America's greatest mayors in all of history, Frank Rizzo, one of the greatest.

00:12:08.000 I thought you were going to say Arlen Spectrum.

00:12:09.000 Frank Specter.

00:12:10.000 Rizzo, not Silverbullet Specter.

00:12:12.000 No, we'll talk about that in the day of the paper a lot, a lot longer.

00:12:15.000 But no, Frank Rizzo, of course, one of the greatest mayors, cracked down on the Black Panthers, cracked down on everyone that was uprising in the city and taught journalists their place. 0.53

00:12:24.000 My question for you, Ed, is because we've been told by the Never Trumpers that, well, the cases, you know, even if you link Trump is the greatest thing since sliced bread and he's the leader of the new movement, he's popular, we get that.

00:12:37.000 But they say if Trump is convicted, come election day, it's over, it's curtains, everything is done.

00:12:43.000 But what you're outlining here, don't bury the lead, as our friend on The Morning Show would say, that if these cases are pushed back, that sets off a chain reaction because people don't understand.

00:12:55.000 It's not the movies, right?

00:12:57.000 Most stuff that happens in the furtherance of a court proceeding happens before the trial phase actually begins, before the courtroom phase actually begins.

00:13:06.000 So if all of these pre-trial motions, witness lists, and discovery, if all of this gets pushed back in all of the Trump cases, that means that the trial dates get pushed back.

00:13:19.000 That means potential, that means, guess what?

00:13:21.000 Your number one argument that the Never Trumpers have been saying for all along, the entire pedestal of their support for these anti-Trump candidates has been that Trump is going to be a convicted felon.

00:13:32.000 Ed, it sounds like there's going to be a chain reaction here where these cases are not going to see trial until after the election.

00:13:40.000 I would guarantee it.

00:13:41.000 I'd take a gentleman's wager that Trump, there won't be a Trump trial before the election.

00:13:44.000 I agree with you completely.

00:13:45.000 By the way, Jack, just to prove, at least federally, although the lunatics in Georgia and other places will do things.

00:13:52.000 But by the way, Charlie, to prove your listeners are Phyllis Schaffley Eagles, I got a text that said, well, don't forget Ed, Philadelphia has Grace Kelly.

00:13:59.000 So you got Grace Kelly, Jack.

00:14:00.000 You can hang your hat on that.

00:14:01.000 We like that.

00:14:02.000 But listen.

00:14:02.000 And we will always, I know.

00:14:06.000 But Jack, you're exactly right.

00:14:08.000 And Charlie, I want to drive it to the point you began in the last segment on secrecy.

00:14:13.000 You know, it's not just that secrets are evil and they usually are.

00:14:17.000 What we're seeing is a government, a set of government actions that are designed to keep from we, the people, what's called due process.

00:14:26.000 Due process, you know, the crown jewel of America, we don't have a crown.

00:14:29.000 We don't have actual jewels.

00:14:30.000 Our crown jewel is the Constitution and the rule of law and the founding values.

00:14:34.000 And Andrew Weissman and his gang are stealing it in front of us by what?

00:14:38.000 By gutting due process.

00:14:39.000 And the main way they're doing it to put Charlie, you got to it was they're using secrecy and keeping, they keep from people the they keep from people the evidence.

00:14:49.000 You got Donald Trump fighting to look at the evidence in the case of this matter that over 300 January 6th defendants and now convicted felons are facing.

00:14:59.000 They don't get the information on what exactly happened on January 6th because they say it's national security.

00:15:06.000 So we got Cheney, the Cheney Select Committee spending $20 million to push a narrative that's a lie and then getting rid of the evidence.

00:15:12.000 And our due process is sliding.

00:15:14.000 And last thing I'll say, the thing that's really at the heart of this now is that we have a totally partial system.

00:15:22.000 One of the due process tenants is impartial judge and jury.

00:15:26.000 And that is out the window.

00:15:28.000 You know, this is insane.

00:15:29.000 So again, we're going to pull the string, as Jack said, what's going to happen is going to back all these cases up.

00:15:35.000 We're also, please God, going to get some of these people out of jail faster and get them out of these situations.

00:15:42.000 You know, it's Christmas and one of the organizations I help, Jack, knows Patriot Freedom Project.

00:15:46.000 We're just sending gift cards to families so these families can have minor Christmas gifts and food.

00:15:53.000 How do we do that, Ed?

00:15:54.000 How do we send stuff to prisoners that are unjustlyproject.com?

00:16:00.000 And let me tell you, Charlie, we worry about our prison.

00:16:02.000 PatriotFreedomProject.com.

00:16:04.000 Got it.

00:16:04.000 Okay.

00:16:05.000 Yeah.

00:16:06.000 PatriotFreedomProject.com.

00:16:07.000 And we've got a program.

00:16:08.000 We worry about our prisoners, but I have to tell you, this time of year, all these guys, there's a dirty little secret here.

00:16:14.000 The people that are stuck in jail are working Americans.

00:16:16.000 Frankly, if you had money, you could fight your way out and hire good lawyers in your home.

00:16:21.000 These guys, 300, they're military, they're cops, they're working stiffs, and their mom, their wife is home with three and a half kids and they don't have a turkey dinner.

00:16:31.000 They don't have, you know, we're sending money to people to pay for dental work because they don't have coverage.

00:16:36.000 So it's brutal.

00:16:37.000 But anyway, but hopefully they'll get out of jail.

00:16:39.000 And as Jack points out, it'll back up the true stuff.

00:16:42.000 Ed, you do a great job running the Phyllis Schlafly Eagles.

00:16:44.000 I love the event.

00:16:46.000 Let us know the next time you're doing it in the spring or whatever.

00:16:48.000 Happy to help.

00:16:49.000 Happy to promote it.

00:16:50.000 Phyllis Schlafly, you know, it's worth having you come into the studio and tell the story of Phyllis Schlafly to our younger listeners.

00:16:54.000 I'd love to.

00:16:55.000 She single-handedly destroyed the ERA, which would have obliterated the country. 0.97

00:16:59.000 That alone, she deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore conservatism.

00:17:03.000 Ed, thank you so much.

00:17:06.000 For years, we've been talking about how our nation's public schools have been captured by progressive ideologues.

00:17:12.000 They teach things that directly contradict the values of millions of Americans.

00:17:16.000 That's especially true if you are a Christian family.

00:17:20.000 For those of you worried about the best educational path for your kids and grandkids, I'm pleased to announce our new partnership with the folks at the Herzog Foundation.

00:17:28.000 They are the trusted source on American K-12 private education with a remarkable suite of resources for parents and grandparents thinking about making the switch from public schools to a Christian education and for those already in Christian schools too.

00:17:42.000 From their online publication, The Lion, to their new podcast, Making the Leap, the Herzog Foundation offers a wide range of advice and information for Christian parents to make the best education decisions for your kids.

00:17:56.000 To learn more about how your family, faith, and community can flourish through a quality Christian education, go to Herzogfoundation.com.

00:18:04.000 That is HerzogFoundation.com.

00:18:07.000 The Herzog Foundation offers a wide range of advice and information for you.

00:18:12.000 Go to HerzogFoundation.com.

00:18:15.000 That is Herzogfoundation.com.

00:18:17.000 They're the trusted source of American K through 12 private education.

00:18:20.000 And they also partner with us at Turning Point Academy.

00:18:23.000 So check it out right now, HerzogFoundation.com.

00:18:28.000 Really excited about this next guest.

00:18:30.000 There is an unacceptable, well, any amount is unacceptable, but there's a disgusting amount of Jew hatred that is spreading in our country, and we have to end it. 1.00

00:18:40.000 And that is the title of the book by Brooke Goldstein and Jew Hatred by Brooke Goldstein.

00:18:45.000 She's a human rights attorney and also in charge of the Lawfare Project.

00:18:49.000 Brooke, thank you so much for joining us.

00:18:51.000 Tell us about your book.

00:18:52.000 Charlie, thank you so much for having me and for mentioning in your intro how really, like you said, disgusting it is that we're seeing such a rise in Jew hatred in this great country.

00:19:04.000 I wrote my book.

00:19:05.000 I actually started writing it before October the 7th because I was also alarmed and I was noticing how we're in this age apparently of minority rights movements. 1.00

00:19:16.000 And if you are a black person or if you are a Muslim or if you are Asian, you know, certain types of behavior are unacceptable. 1.00

00:19:25.000 And yet if you are a Jewish person, it is perfectly acceptable to engage in the type of bigoted and discriminatory behavior that my clients experience every day. 0.97

00:19:37.000 And the time is now to end that.

00:19:40.000 And what I argue for in my book is that the time is now for a Jewish civil rights movement in the United States of America.

00:19:49.000 We have been at the forefront of every single civil rights movement.

00:19:52.000 And now is the time for people to stand up for Jews.

00:19:57.000 So where does this come from, Brooke?

00:19:59.000 I mean, I've been seeing this for years.

00:20:01.000 I believe that the diversity, equity, inclusion Leviathan has laid the foundation to justify Jew hatred. 0.97

00:20:07.000 We see it on campus.

00:20:08.000 We see it in the media.

00:20:10.000 Walk us through, in recent years, we've seen it bubbling up, but obviously in the last six months, it's the after effect.

00:20:16.000 It's not like it just all of a sudden started post, you know, October 7th.

00:20:20.000 So walk us through that.

00:20:21.000 Yes, perfect point.

00:20:23.000 I mean, everybody's saying, you know, are we surprised?

00:20:26.000 Are you so surprised to see the level of hatred that's now rearing its ugly face?

00:20:31.000 All the haters have come out of their holes and there's pro Hamas marches on the streets of New York and London and Paris.

00:20:38.000 And you see what's happening in academia.

00:20:40.000 Are you surprised?

00:20:42.000 And the answer is obviously no, because people like me and people in the counterterrorism community and the moderate Muslim community and the conservative community have been screaming at the top of their lungs for the past 10 years about the radicalization that's happening, not just on college campuses, but like you said, through these diversity, equity, and inclusion departments and ideologies and critical race theories, which sound great,

00:21:10.000 but is really the perversion of human rights language to manipulate us into being everything but inclusive.

00:21:19.000 And the real perversion, which is totally insane to me, is that they've actually managed to convince an alarming amount of people that the Jewish community, which was once massacred, six million plus of us were massacred for not being white, are now all of a sudden white colonial oppressors.

00:21:41.000 They've taken our narrative.

00:21:43.000 They've, you know, taken our slave name, Palestinian. 0.98

00:21:47.000 The Jews have identified as Palestinian.

00:21:51.000 It's a geographic location.

00:21:52.000 It was our slave name when the Romans sacked the temple.

00:21:56.000 And now they've turned it into a Muslim ideology that excludes all other faiths and now is attempting to claim parity with the Jewish people, the indigenous people to Israel for a legal claim to the land. 0.84

00:22:13.000 This ideology results in people thinking that Jews building houses, houses, synagogues, having farms, living peacefully in Judea, Samaria, which is our indigenous homeland, is somehow a provocation for violence.

00:22:29.000 Our mere presence on the Temple Mount is an excuse to start a violent intifada. 0.56

00:22:35.000 It's the biggest victim-blaming perversity in modern history.

00:22:41.000 And that's what we're dealing with stemming from these types of ideologies.

00:22:45.000 So, Brooke, it's an incredibly important book.

00:22:48.000 I hope people check it out.

00:22:49.000 End Jew Hatred.

00:22:51.000 It's across the board.

00:22:52.000 We should have no tolerance for it.

00:22:53.000 And it is a manual for mobilization.

00:22:55.000 I want to get into that.

00:22:56.000 I'm sure one of the things you talk about, though, is suing the organizations and the institutions that embrace the hatred of Jews.

00:23:02.000 Tell us about Carnegie Millon.

00:23:05.000 So first of all, I'll set it up with this.

00:23:08.000 Civil rights litigation has always been a very important part of our democracy.

00:23:13.000 If you think about it, most of the rights that we enjoy, whether you agree with them or not, are a product of a seminal civil rights case, right?

00:23:23.000 So Roe v. Wade, for example, with abortion, which was overturned.

00:23:27.000 Brown v. Board of Education, which got rid of segregation in our schools.

00:23:32.000 And recently, the Asian community overturned affirmative action, bringing their lawsuit against Harvard.

00:23:38.000 And you'd be hard pressed to find any seminal civil rights cases on behalf of the Jewish community.

00:23:44.000 And so what we are seeing now across the United States are rampant violations of the basic civil rights of the Jewish community disguised as political advocacy, disguised as anti-Zionism or anti-Israel advocacy.

00:24:03.000 But in reality, what is happening thousands of miles away in the so-called Israel-Palestinian conflict is being used as an excuse to now target Jewish people for being Jewish.

00:24:17.000 And that's what we're seeing.

00:24:18.000 The anti-Semitism, especially on college campuses, it's not a political issue.

00:24:23.000 This is a civil rights issue.

00:24:25.000 And I would argue one of the greatest civil rights issues of our time that has become at this point a national crisis.

00:24:33.000 And I'm proud to say that the Lawfare Project really has been at the forefront of this.

00:24:37.000 We provide pro bono legal counsel to Jewish students and professors and Jewish members of the workforce and doctors, anyone, Jewish communities that are discriminated against unlawfully, because we deserve to have our civil rights enforced and we deserve equal protection under the law.

00:24:58.000 And we recently filed a very important and I believe groundbreaking lawsuit against Carnegie Mellon University on behalf of a very courageous young American Jewish girl named Yael.

00:25:13.000 And Yael experienced an enormous amount of intentional, cruel, anti-Semitic abuse at Carnegie Mellon University.

00:25:23.000 It's pervasive, it was systemic, and it was carried out by both the faculty and the administration against her.

00:25:30.000 And when she complained about it, when she filed complaints, she was retaliated against.

00:25:37.000 So we recently filed a lawsuit against Carnegie Mellon University, which by the way, just so happens to be one of the largest recipients of foreign funding from the state of Qatar.

00:25:49.000 Brooke, I love the aggression that is in your strategy, which is we must sue, we must not put up with this.

00:25:57.000 And this isn't just anecdotal.

00:25:58.000 I'm curious.

00:26:00.000 In recent weeks, have you seen people that might have taken a more passive approach, a more agreeable approach, change their tune a little bit in the pro-Israel Jewish community?

00:26:11.000 Have you seen people say, this is not a time for compromise?

00:26:14.000 I certainly have seen that from donors no longer giving money to universities.

00:26:20.000 Are you seeing things start to change as far as kind of a new mindset set in the war against Jew hatred?

00:26:26.000 So first, I'll say that I'm happy you used the term aggressive, because when I first started my career in the legal space, advocating and filing civil rights actions on behalf of the Jewish community, I was accused of being too aggressive.

00:26:43.000 I was told, you know, we're negotiating behind closed doors and you're creating more anti-Semitism.

00:26:51.000 You know, filing a lawsuit is giving the impression that Jews are too aggressive.

00:26:56.000 And I thought to myself, you know, would anyone ever accuse the NAACP of too aggressively asserting the civil rights of the black community or the ACLU or the Center for Constitutional Rights in their own community of too aggressively upholding the First Amendment of the United States?

00:27:15.000 They wouldn't because it's essential in liberal democracies that when your civil rights are violated, that you stand up for yourself.

00:27:25.000 I always tell Jewish students that come to us, they don't have a responsibility. 1.00

00:27:29.000 It's not their duty to defend Israel, a foreign country that many of them are not a citizen of.

00:27:36.000 And I understand that they're Zionists, but that's not their duty. 1.00

00:27:40.000 But it is their responsibility to stand up for themselves if they've been discriminated against and make sure that that pattern of behavior does not continue to keep happening on the campus to other students after them.

00:27:55.000 So I think, first of all, in terms of waking up, we've seen a lot of Jewish organizations and non-Jewish organizations now embrace this concept of impact litigation, of civil rights litigation, which I think is something beautiful and which is an incredible blessing to be able to live in this great country, the United States of America, where the truth is on our side, the law is on our side.

00:28:20.000 And if we don't stand up for ourselves, nobody's going to do it for us.

00:28:25.000 No one's going to assert the civil rights of the Jewish people for us.

00:28:30.000 We have to do it for ourselves the same way that every other minority community has done. 0.99

00:28:35.000 And there's nothing wrong with that.

00:28:37.000 There's nothing wrong with standing up for yourself, with becoming a plaintiff in litigation to seek justice and make the type of systemic changes that we need to see to get rid of this Jew hatred once and for all and to impose consequences on the type of behavior that is not acceptable in our beautiful democracy. 0.97

00:29:00.000 And Jew hatred by Brooke Goldstein.

00:29:02.000 Thank you so much for your time, Brooke.

00:29:03.000 Thank you.

00:29:03.000 God bless you.

00:29:04.000 Thank you for having me.

00:29:08.000 If their victory was inevitable, their propaganda would not be necessary.

00:29:14.000 If they were going to win, they wouldn't have to censor us, smear us.

00:29:18.000 They wouldn't have to fight us.

00:29:20.000 If they were confident that they were going to hold on to power forever, then they wouldn't be acting the way they are.

00:29:28.000 More importantly, they also wouldn't be passing laws and measures about future presidents.

00:29:36.000 There's this massive tell that just happened in the NDAA.

00:29:40.000 Speaker Johnson never should have passed that.

00:29:42.000 He's a disappointment.

00:29:44.000 We've done that before.

00:29:45.000 We'll cover that plenty.

00:29:47.000 But I was listening to Willie Geist on MSNBC, and he's just reading this thing.

00:29:51.000 And there was a measure put forward by Marco Rubio and Tim Kaine that everyone loved.

00:29:57.000 And to an untrained eye, it just seems like a normal thing, like whatever.

00:30:00.000 Okay.

00:30:01.000 Future presidents can't get us out of NATO.

00:30:03.000 I mean, NATO, again, which is like which?

00:30:06.000 Is the RNC like NATO or is NATO like the RNC?

00:30:09.000 They say annoying things, suck up a bunch of cash and break stuff.

00:30:11.000 That's Tugger Carlson's quote.

00:30:12.000 I love it.

00:30:14.000 But this is a fascinating clip.

00:30:16.000 If the bad guys were confident that they were going to hold on to the White House, why would they then pass laws that say that future presidents can't leave NATO?

00:30:29.000 If they were confident that Gavin Newsom or Joe Biden was going to become president, then why would this be necessary?

00:30:38.000 Play Cut 118.

00:30:40.000 Also in the NDAA, a provision barring future presidents from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval from the Senate or an act of Congress.

00:30:49.000 The legislation was spearheaded by Virginia Senator Tim Kaine and Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.

00:30:56.000 Concerns have grown in recent years surrounding whether the United States might withdraw from NATO during another Trump presidency.

00:31:03.000 With this legislation, no president will be able to solely decide to leave that alliance.

00:31:09.000 Okay, so for nothing else, this just goes to show MSNBC, Atlantic Magazine, and New York Times Fear Porn is now becoming legislation.

00:31:18.000 I think it's hilarious.

00:31:20.000 The amount of predictive programming, Trump might be president, Trump might be president, Trump might be president, Trump might be pass a law.

00:31:28.000 Prepping for a Trump presidency. 0.86

00:31:31.000 This goes to show everybody, these are a paranoid, paranoid, paranoid group of people.

00:31:36.000 You do not pass laws preventing things that Trump can or cannot do, like leaving NATO, if you aren't legitimately afraid that he could become president.

00:31:47.000 This is the best piece of evidence that I have seen that it's not just a game for Democrats, that they see maybe it's 1%, 5%, 10%.

00:31:57.000 They think that the evil Trump man might be back in the White House, that he might come out of nowhere and become president again.

00:32:06.000 Because they're seeing these polls and they're seeing the media cover it.

00:32:12.000 Play cut 49.

00:32:14.000 The news is not great for President Biden and his campaign.

00:32:17.000 The numbers show Donald Trump leading in both Georgia and Michigan.

00:32:21.000 In Georgia, a state Biden carried by a very narrow margin in 2020.

00:32:25.000 Registered voters say they prefer Trump over Biden by 5%.

00:32:29.000 In Michigan, which Trump won in 2016, but Biden carried in 2020, our poll now showing Trump 10 points up.

00:32:37.000 Trump's margin over Biden is significantly boosted in both states by people who say they did not vote in 2020.

00:32:44.000 These less engaged voters favored Trump by 26 points in Georgia and 40 points in Michigan.

00:32:50.000 If they felt they would win no matter what, then why would they be putting things to prevent Trump's maneuverability if he became president in the NDAA?

00:33:01.000 This is a tell.

00:33:03.000 This is a tell that certain inner workings in the regime are afraid that there might be, there might be, there might be an avalanche coming next November.

00:33:14.000 No guarantees.

00:33:16.000 But let me give you an example.

00:33:20.000 If they felt that their power was as, let's just say, certain as the state of California, the California Senate is not passing laws of what happens if Larry Elder becomes governor.

00:33:32.000 They're pretty confident they're going to win by 20 points.

00:33:35.000 It's California.

00:33:36.000 Same in New York.

00:33:38.000 Same in Massachusetts.

00:33:39.000 No, no, no, no.

00:33:40.000 These are people that are afraid that the White House might be slipping out of their grasp.

00:33:48.000 Lawmakers that are taking orders from somebody somewhere in the inner workings of government where they might be saying, oh boy, we might see 2016 all over again and we can't pull off what we did in 2020 again.

00:34:01.000 This should be hopeful for you that we can win.

00:34:06.000 So let's get to work.

00:34:09.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:10.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:13.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:15.000 God bless.

00:34:18.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk dot com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 15, 2023

Why Jack Smith's Trump Trial Will Flop

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript