00:00:48.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:15.000We also got Jack Pesobic here that is going to be co-piloting.
00:01:19.000So Ed, tell us about what the Supreme Court could potentially do here to basically overturn or nullify some of these convictions of the overuse of the specific statute going after January 6th defendants.
00:01:32.000You know, 1512 is the section of 18 USC 1512, and it was used.
00:01:37.000It's really when you write the history of this period, Charlie, they will go all the way back to Enron and a guy named Andrew Andrew Weissman.
00:01:45.000Andrew Weissman was a prosecutor who destroyed Arthur Anderson.
00:01:57.000He tries to use this law, 1512 C, which was created at that time because they didn't want to just have to do obstruction of justice, which is where somebody actually messes with a proceeding, with an actual legal ongoing process.
00:02:12.000They made this loosey-goosey thing called obstruction of official proceeding, and then they could call everything an official proceeding.
00:02:19.000You could call the Kavanaugh hearings an official proceeding.
00:02:21.000You could call the Electoral College Count an official proceeding.
00:02:24.000By the way, you could call a school board an official proceeding.
00:02:27.000And if you get up and yell and protest and advocate and lobby and you disrupt it in any way, that the chairman gavels out the meeting.
00:02:35.000You've disrupted an official proceeding.
00:02:37.000And here's where it gets twisted, Charlie.
00:02:40.000So you've got hundreds of January 6th defendants who have vandalism, trespass, misdemeanor charges.
00:02:47.000And in comes the Andrew Weissman hammer, the 1512 that says 20 years in jail.
00:02:53.000It's what they use to justify people being held for years because these are felonious insurrectionists.
00:03:00.000So that's what the Supreme Court took up.
00:03:02.000They took it up on two key questions about whether it should be applied at all and whether one of the elements corruptly is a word should be should be allowed on people that walk through the Capitol, for example.
00:03:13.000This is the beginning of, I hope, an unraveling of the question.
00:03:17.000And Pessoba will love this because this is his kind of move.
00:03:48.000And we know this because when Andrew Weissman ran the Mueller investigation into Trump, he was banging the drum for 1512 the entire time he was running this thing.
00:03:59.000Bill Barr came in and shut it down and said, We're going to close the whole thing.
00:04:02.000It was the entire second half of the Mueller report was all about 1512.
00:04:06.000But then Barr comes in and writes the opinion that says, No, we're not going to do this.
00:04:12.000Of course, Biden comes in and Weissman still goes on MSNBC and spent an entire year saying 1512, 1512, 1512, 1512, obstruction on Trump, obstruction on Trump.
00:04:22.000So I'll tell you right now, that's exactly who it was: him working through his meat puppet of Merrick Garland, who is still, no, there's like a Svengali voodoo kind of thing going on there because Merrick Garland, of course, is still so incredibly bitter and angry and out for revenge over the fact that Republicans prevented him from his having his seat, which he believed he was entitled to, his seat on the Supreme Court when Mitch McConnell.
00:04:51.000And credit where it's due, Mitch McConnell was the person who blew that up.
00:04:55.000And Ed, when I look at these, these obstruction charges, because we do have a tension here, right?
00:05:00.000And what you're talking about is actually attention because if you say that any disruption then becomes obstruction, then doesn't that actually essentially take away the right to protest itself?
00:05:11.000Because every protest is an obstruction of some official proceeding if you want to expand it that much.
00:05:17.000That's why I believe the Supreme Court has taken up this case.
00:05:20.000And actually, that's why I believe the Supreme Court must rule on this case, because Charlie, we do have a tension here between the statutes.
00:05:28.000We have a tension between the statute and our rights, to petition for a redress of our grievances.
00:05:34.000And of course, the fact that this has been used in such a way is absolutely egregious.
00:05:40.000But I got to say, the fact that we have originalists on the court now, the fact that thanks to Trump, thanks to Donald J. Trump and his supporters, like Ed Martin and like Phyllis Schlafly, her last presidential endorsement was, and her greatest was Donald J. Trump.
00:05:57.000The fact that we have those there, we have the Trump court, and it's not that there's pro-Trump, it's that they're pro-Constitution.
00:08:02.000Ed, talk about how the regime has very, in a very clever fashion, they have fashioned laws and focused on enforcing laws on things that everybody can be potentially found guilty of.
00:08:19.000One is they create more laws and then they intentionally make them vague and stretchable.
00:08:24.000And frankly, then they get to courts where the judges will go along and play along with them.
00:08:29.000And this is the best example we've had in a long time.
00:08:32.000Again, this statute was, and you know, Charlie, it's the oldest trick in the Ram Emanu book.
00:08:39.000Make a crisis, make everybody crazy, and solve it.
00:08:43.000After the Enron scandal, these morons, just like after 2000, the Help America Vote Act happened, they threw money at the problem and made all of our election systems.
00:08:55.000Let's throw money at the problem and buy electronic systems that nobody can audit.
00:08:59.000And so after the Enron scandal, they do Sarbanes-Oxley and they create all these massive, loosey-goosey laws, just like Charlie would write to it.
00:09:07.000They're trying to have more surveillance and they say, oh, national security, national security.
00:09:47.000Ed, you're talking about a book that Rush was obsessed with, License to Lie by Sidney Powell that really talks about this.
00:09:55.000I remember every day I would hear Rush Limbaugh.
00:09:58.000I mean, I think he was the most, the number one promoter.
00:10:01.000And remember, Rush zeroed in on this because it was about Sidney Powell, who worked for the Department of Justice, who saw firsthand what Weissman and that pack of thugs did and the Weissman kind of regime.
00:10:14.000I hope everyone understands there's five or six of these very slippery people that run our country right now.
00:10:19.000It's like Mark Elias, Weissman, you know, there's Valerie Jarrett, and they're Susan Rice.
00:10:27.000So every one of these different issues has a suppressive, very smart person who navigates.
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00:11:44.000So, this is a singular decision that could impact hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands.
00:11:50.000You want to ask out a question on this?
00:11:52.000Because I think you brought up something really smart.
00:11:56.000I did want to throw a question out there.
00:11:57.000I also want to throw out that there is one other Philadelphia Republican, and that is one of America's greatest mayors in all of history, Frank Rizzo, one of the greatest.
00:12:08.000I thought you were going to say Arlen Spectrum.
00:12:12.000No, we'll talk about that in the day of the paper a lot, a lot longer.
00:12:15.000But no, Frank Rizzo, of course, one of the greatest mayors, cracked down on the Black Panthers, cracked down on everyone that was uprising in the city and taught journalists their place.
00:12:24.000My question for you, Ed, is because we've been told by the Never Trumpers that, well, the cases, you know, even if you link Trump is the greatest thing since sliced bread and he's the leader of the new movement, he's popular, we get that.
00:12:37.000But they say if Trump is convicted, come election day, it's over, it's curtains, everything is done.
00:12:43.000But what you're outlining here, don't bury the lead, as our friend on The Morning Show would say, that if these cases are pushed back, that sets off a chain reaction because people don't understand.
00:12:57.000Most stuff that happens in the furtherance of a court proceeding happens before the trial phase actually begins, before the courtroom phase actually begins.
00:13:06.000So if all of these pre-trial motions, witness lists, and discovery, if all of this gets pushed back in all of the Trump cases, that means that the trial dates get pushed back.
00:13:19.000That means potential, that means, guess what?
00:13:21.000Your number one argument that the Never Trumpers have been saying for all along, the entire pedestal of their support for these anti-Trump candidates has been that Trump is going to be a convicted felon.
00:13:32.000Ed, it sounds like there's going to be a chain reaction here where these cases are not going to see trial until after the election.
00:13:45.000By the way, Jack, just to prove, at least federally, although the lunatics in Georgia and other places will do things.
00:13:52.000But by the way, Charlie, to prove your listeners are Phyllis Schaffley Eagles, I got a text that said, well, don't forget Ed, Philadelphia has Grace Kelly.
00:14:39.000And the main way they're doing it to put Charlie, you got to it was they're using secrecy and keeping, they keep from people the they keep from people the evidence.
00:14:49.000You got Donald Trump fighting to look at the evidence in the case of this matter that over 300 January 6th defendants and now convicted felons are facing.
00:14:59.000They don't get the information on what exactly happened on January 6th because they say it's national security.
00:15:06.000So we got Cheney, the Cheney Select Committee spending $20 million to push a narrative that's a lie and then getting rid of the evidence.
00:16:08.000We worry about our prisoners, but I have to tell you, this time of year, all these guys, there's a dirty little secret here.
00:16:14.000The people that are stuck in jail are working Americans.
00:16:16.000Frankly, if you had money, you could fight your way out and hire good lawyers in your home.
00:16:21.000These guys, 300, they're military, they're cops, they're working stiffs, and their mom, their wife is home with three and a half kids and they don't have a turkey dinner.
00:16:31.000They don't have, you know, we're sending money to people to pay for dental work because they don't have coverage.
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00:18:30.000There is an unacceptable, well, any amount is unacceptable, but there's a disgusting amount of Jew hatred that is spreading in our country, and we have to end it.
00:18:40.000And that is the title of the book by Brooke Goldstein and Jew Hatred by Brooke Goldstein.
00:18:45.000She's a human rights attorney and also in charge of the Lawfare Project.
00:18:49.000Brooke, thank you so much for joining us.
00:18:52.000Charlie, thank you so much for having me and for mentioning in your intro how really, like you said, disgusting it is that we're seeing such a rise in Jew hatred in this great country.
00:19:05.000I actually started writing it before October the 7th because I was also alarmed and I was noticing how we're in this age apparently of minority rights movements.
00:19:16.000And if you are a black person or if you are a Muslim or if you are Asian, you know, certain types of behavior are unacceptable.
00:19:25.000And yet if you are a Jewish person, it is perfectly acceptable to engage in the type of bigoted and discriminatory behavior that my clients experience every day.
00:20:42.000And the answer is obviously no, because people like me and people in the counterterrorism community and the moderate Muslim community and the conservative community have been screaming at the top of their lungs for the past 10 years about the radicalization that's happening, not just on college campuses, but like you said, through these diversity, equity, and inclusion departments and ideologies and critical race theories, which sound great,
00:21:10.000but is really the perversion of human rights language to manipulate us into being everything but inclusive.
00:21:19.000And the real perversion, which is totally insane to me, is that they've actually managed to convince an alarming amount of people that the Jewish community, which was once massacred, six million plus of us were massacred for not being white, are now all of a sudden white colonial oppressors.
00:21:52.000It was our slave name when the Romans sacked the temple.
00:21:56.000And now they've turned it into a Muslim ideology that excludes all other faiths and now is attempting to claim parity with the Jewish people, the indigenous people to Israel for a legal claim to the land.
00:22:13.000This ideology results in people thinking that Jews building houses, houses, synagogues, having farms, living peacefully in Judea, Samaria, which is our indigenous homeland, is somehow a provocation for violence.
00:22:29.000Our mere presence on the Temple Mount is an excuse to start a violent intifada.
00:22:35.000It's the biggest victim-blaming perversity in modern history.
00:22:41.000And that's what we're dealing with stemming from these types of ideologies.
00:22:45.000So, Brooke, it's an incredibly important book.
00:23:05.000So first of all, I'll set it up with this.
00:23:08.000Civil rights litigation has always been a very important part of our democracy.
00:23:13.000If you think about it, most of the rights that we enjoy, whether you agree with them or not, are a product of a seminal civil rights case, right?
00:23:23.000So Roe v. Wade, for example, with abortion, which was overturned.
00:23:27.000Brown v. Board of Education, which got rid of segregation in our schools.
00:23:32.000And recently, the Asian community overturned affirmative action, bringing their lawsuit against Harvard.
00:23:38.000And you'd be hard pressed to find any seminal civil rights cases on behalf of the Jewish community.
00:23:44.000And so what we are seeing now across the United States are rampant violations of the basic civil rights of the Jewish community disguised as political advocacy, disguised as anti-Zionism or anti-Israel advocacy.
00:24:03.000But in reality, what is happening thousands of miles away in the so-called Israel-Palestinian conflict is being used as an excuse to now target Jewish people for being Jewish.
00:24:25.000And I would argue one of the greatest civil rights issues of our time that has become at this point a national crisis.
00:24:33.000And I'm proud to say that the Lawfare Project really has been at the forefront of this.
00:24:37.000We provide pro bono legal counsel to Jewish students and professors and Jewish members of the workforce and doctors, anyone, Jewish communities that are discriminated against unlawfully, because we deserve to have our civil rights enforced and we deserve equal protection under the law.
00:24:58.000And we recently filed a very important and I believe groundbreaking lawsuit against Carnegie Mellon University on behalf of a very courageous young American Jewish girl named Yael.
00:25:13.000And Yael experienced an enormous amount of intentional, cruel, anti-Semitic abuse at Carnegie Mellon University.
00:25:23.000It's pervasive, it was systemic, and it was carried out by both the faculty and the administration against her.
00:25:30.000And when she complained about it, when she filed complaints, she was retaliated against.
00:25:37.000So we recently filed a lawsuit against Carnegie Mellon University, which by the way, just so happens to be one of the largest recipients of foreign funding from the state of Qatar.
00:25:49.000Brooke, I love the aggression that is in your strategy, which is we must sue, we must not put up with this.
00:26:00.000In recent weeks, have you seen people that might have taken a more passive approach, a more agreeable approach, change their tune a little bit in the pro-Israel Jewish community?
00:26:11.000Have you seen people say, this is not a time for compromise?
00:26:14.000I certainly have seen that from donors no longer giving money to universities.
00:26:20.000Are you seeing things start to change as far as kind of a new mindset set in the war against Jew hatred?
00:26:26.000So first, I'll say that I'm happy you used the term aggressive, because when I first started my career in the legal space, advocating and filing civil rights actions on behalf of the Jewish community, I was accused of being too aggressive.
00:26:43.000I was told, you know, we're negotiating behind closed doors and you're creating more anti-Semitism.
00:26:51.000You know, filing a lawsuit is giving the impression that Jews are too aggressive.
00:26:56.000And I thought to myself, you know, would anyone ever accuse the NAACP of too aggressively asserting the civil rights of the black community or the ACLU or the Center for Constitutional Rights in their own community of too aggressively upholding the First Amendment of the United States?
00:27:15.000They wouldn't because it's essential in liberal democracies that when your civil rights are violated, that you stand up for yourself.
00:27:25.000I always tell Jewish students that come to us, they don't have a responsibility.
00:27:29.000It's not their duty to defend Israel, a foreign country that many of them are not a citizen of.
00:27:36.000And I understand that they're Zionists, but that's not their duty.
00:27:40.000But it is their responsibility to stand up for themselves if they've been discriminated against and make sure that that pattern of behavior does not continue to keep happening on the campus to other students after them.
00:27:55.000So I think, first of all, in terms of waking up, we've seen a lot of Jewish organizations and non-Jewish organizations now embrace this concept of impact litigation, of civil rights litigation, which I think is something beautiful and which is an incredible blessing to be able to live in this great country, the United States of America, where the truth is on our side, the law is on our side.
00:28:20.000And if we don't stand up for ourselves, nobody's going to do it for us.
00:28:25.000No one's going to assert the civil rights of the Jewish people for us.
00:28:30.000We have to do it for ourselves the same way that every other minority community has done.
00:28:37.000There's nothing wrong with standing up for yourself, with becoming a plaintiff in litigation to seek justice and make the type of systemic changes that we need to see to get rid of this Jew hatred once and for all and to impose consequences on the type of behavior that is not acceptable in our beautiful democracy.
00:30:16.000If the bad guys were confident that they were going to hold on to the White House, why would they then pass laws that say that future presidents can't leave NATO?
00:30:29.000If they were confident that Gavin Newsom or Joe Biden was going to become president, then why would this be necessary?
00:30:40.000Also in the NDAA, a provision barring future presidents from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval from the Senate or an act of Congress.
00:30:49.000The legislation was spearheaded by Virginia Senator Tim Kaine and Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.
00:30:56.000Concerns have grown in recent years surrounding whether the United States might withdraw from NATO during another Trump presidency.
00:31:03.000With this legislation, no president will be able to solely decide to leave that alliance.
00:31:09.000Okay, so for nothing else, this just goes to show MSNBC, Atlantic Magazine, and New York Times Fear Porn is now becoming legislation.
00:31:20.000The amount of predictive programming, Trump might be president, Trump might be president, Trump might be president, Trump might be pass a law.
00:31:31.000This goes to show everybody, these are a paranoid, paranoid, paranoid group of people.
00:31:36.000You do not pass laws preventing things that Trump can or cannot do, like leaving NATO, if you aren't legitimately afraid that he could become president.
00:31:47.000This is the best piece of evidence that I have seen that it's not just a game for Democrats, that they see maybe it's 1%, 5%, 10%.
00:31:57.000They think that the evil Trump man might be back in the White House, that he might come out of nowhere and become president again.
00:32:06.000Because they're seeing these polls and they're seeing the media cover it.
00:32:14.000The news is not great for President Biden and his campaign.
00:32:17.000The numbers show Donald Trump leading in both Georgia and Michigan.
00:32:21.000In Georgia, a state Biden carried by a very narrow margin in 2020.
00:32:25.000Registered voters say they prefer Trump over Biden by 5%.
00:32:29.000In Michigan, which Trump won in 2016, but Biden carried in 2020, our poll now showing Trump 10 points up.
00:32:37.000Trump's margin over Biden is significantly boosted in both states by people who say they did not vote in 2020.
00:32:44.000These less engaged voters favored Trump by 26 points in Georgia and 40 points in Michigan.
00:32:50.000If they felt they would win no matter what, then why would they be putting things to prevent Trump's maneuverability if he became president in the NDAA?
00:33:03.000This is a tell that certain inner workings in the regime are afraid that there might be, there might be, there might be an avalanche coming next November.
00:33:20.000If they felt that their power was as, let's just say, certain as the state of California, the California Senate is not passing laws of what happens if Larry Elder becomes governor.
00:33:32.000They're pretty confident they're going to win by 20 points.
00:33:40.000These are people that are afraid that the White House might be slipping out of their grasp.
00:33:48.000Lawmakers that are taking orders from somebody somewhere in the inner workings of government where they might be saying, oh boy, we might see 2016 all over again and we can't pull off what we did in 2020 again.
00:34:01.000This should be hopeful for you that we can win.