The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Jews Need to Stop Funding Colleges with Alan Dershowitz

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, 10 Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 Alan Dershowitz joins us for a very clear episode on Israel.

00:00:05.000 Also, are we living through the great divestment?

00:00:08.000 You'll see what I mean throughout this episode.

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00:00:38.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:39.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

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00:00:49.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:50.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:52.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:59.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:01:20.000 I wrote an entire book called The College Scam.

00:01:22.000 It's actually right up here.

00:01:24.000 Sold a bunch of copies.

00:01:25.000 You guys should check it out.

00:01:26.000 All proceeds of the book, by the way, profits, go to Turning Point USA.

00:01:29.000 It's pretty good.

00:01:32.000 We talk all about how college has become a scam, 10-count indictment.

00:01:36.000 And one of the chapters in The College Scam is about the hatred that starts on university campuses.

00:01:46.000 When I wrote The College Scam and I was about to publish it, you know, one of our team members said, Charlie, are you sure it's wise to be that blunt and that direct?

00:01:55.000 First of all, we run a college-based organization.

00:01:57.000 But secondly, you know, we have to raise capital from donors that are pretty connected to universities.

00:02:06.000 The way it works is that if you typically, typically, if you have a lot of resources, a lot of money in America, you are probably attached to some university because you feel obligated to give back to the university that gave you so much.

00:02:18.000 You have good memories there.

00:02:20.000 You look at it as a way that potentially maybe for good cultural camaraderie, whatever it is, right?

00:02:27.000 It's almost a one-to-one that if you are in high society, there is some form of a university or college that you sit on a board of that you give generously back to.

00:02:36.000 Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Stanford, Berkeley, whatever it is.

00:02:41.000 And I learned this as I started to raise money at Turning Point USA.

00:02:44.000 And here I was trying to raise capital to basically launch a counter narrative against the universities to organize students to talk about pro-American, pro-liberty, pro-freedom ideas.

00:02:56.000 And as I first got started and I started traveling campuses, I realized that these university campuses are the incubators of anti-Americanism, the worst ideas.

00:03:04.000 We call it wokeism, whatever it is, Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism.

00:03:08.000 The universities are one of the reasons why we're losing our country.

00:03:11.000 Colleges are the place where you send your best and brightest to learn to hate themselves, hate the country, rebel against their parents, be turned into ungrateful activists, to then become moldable AOCs, Rashida Talib's, Elon Omars, where they're resentful, bitter, angry, driven by revenge and bad ideology.

00:03:32.000 And I go through in the book, The College Scam, how the trans idea started on universities. 1.00

00:03:37.000 Literally, this whole idea of transgender is from the academy. 0.69

00:03:42.000 One of the most sick and demented and evil, quote-unquote, thinkers in the 20th century, Mr. Kinsey, has an entire center dedicated to him at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana.

00:03:55.000 Herbert Marcuse, who wrote One Dimensional Man is kind of the leader of the new left, who discipled Angela Davis, universities. 0.63

00:04:03.000 Bill Ayers, who was a terrorist, university professor.

00:04:05.000 Kimberly Crenshaw, university professor.

00:04:08.000 Ibram X. Kendi, university professor.

00:04:10.000 Robin DiAngelo, university professor.

00:04:13.000 Even Anthony Fauci.

00:04:15.000 Where do you think Anthony Fauci has drawn a paycheck from?

00:04:17.000 In addition to all the pharmaceutical companies, Georgetown University.

00:04:21.000 Right now.

00:04:22.000 Peter Strzokstroke Smirk.

00:04:24.000 Peter Strzok, who launched a coup against Donald Trump.

00:04:26.000 Where do you think he is right now?

00:04:28.000 Georgetown University.

00:04:30.000 So higher education, not is just, it's not only the starting point of the worst ideas, movements, ideologies, but it's also a landing pad for some of the most despicable human beings our society and civilization has to offer.

00:04:47.000 Anthony Fauci should be in prison for what he did to this country.

00:04:50.000 Instead, he's lecturing at Georgetown and treated as a hero.

00:04:55.000 And so as I published this book, it wasn't necessarily met with hostility, but certainly skepticism.

00:05:01.000 Without a doubt, skepticism.

00:05:03.000 And one community in particular, and they were really sweet about it, were upper middle class, center-right Jews that would give money to Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale.

00:05:14.000 Understand that in Jewish culture, education is taken very seriously.

00:05:18.000 It's one of the reasons why Jews do very well. 0.92

00:05:21.000 Understanding the law, reading the law.

00:05:23.000 One of the parts of Jewish culture is that if you go to a Jewish dinner, a Seder, Passover Seder, a Shabbat dinner, and you're a six-year-old, you have to prove your point.

00:05:37.000 It's always debating.

00:05:38.000 You have to get a word in edge-wise.

00:05:42.000 In Jewish culture, it's a lot of challenging of ideas, questioning, if you will. 0.97

00:05:48.000 And honestly, it creates intellectual strength.

00:05:52.000 It creates a seven, eight, or nine-year-old that you better have a good point, or else your uncle's going to say, no, no, no.

00:05:57.000 Moshe, that's not smart.

00:05:59.000 Next point.

00:06:00.000 You're like, okay, wow.

00:06:01.000 And it creates, honestly, a love of learning.

00:06:05.000 And so education has always been a staple of Jewish culture, always.

00:06:10.000 Now, what they call education, I call indoctrination and anti-Americanism.

00:06:14.000 And upper middle class and elite Jewish culture have been one of the main funding sources of American elite colleges, especially in the modern era.

00:06:27.000 Harvard, $50 billion endowment.

00:06:31.000 Columbia, you can look at it.

00:06:32.000 I think it's $30 or $35 billion endowment.

00:06:35.000 Stanford, $40 billion endowment.

00:06:39.000 Billion dollars.

00:06:40.000 You could fund Ukraine for a month with these endowments.

00:06:44.000 And when I published the book, The College Scam, and I would get into really spirited discussions with some very well-intentioned, you know, center-right Jewish donors.

00:06:53.000 And they'd say, come on, Charlie, higher education is bad, but it's not as bad as you say it is.

00:06:58.000 And I would always say, you realize the Jew hatred that is going to erupt volcanically one day.

00:07:05.000 They said, no, I don't think it's that bad.

00:07:08.000 There might be some Muslim groups here or there, but it's not widespread.

00:07:12.000 It's not institutionalized.

00:07:13.000 I said, okay, we'll just agree to disagree.

00:07:15.000 I could tell you from personal experience, the Jew hatred, the American hatred, the anti-white sentiments that are bubbling up in these university campuses, one day it will manifest into something very, very real.

00:07:28.000 Now, this could be connected to any issue that you're passionate about.

00:07:32.000 Are you concerned that America has become less religious?

00:07:34.000 University campuses.

00:07:35.000 Are you concerned that more and more people think men can give birth?

00:07:40.000 University campuses.

00:07:41.000 Are you concerned about the war on white people?

00:07:44.000 University campuses.

00:07:45.000 Are you concerned that young people don't have an adherence or a love to the United States Constitution?

00:07:50.000 University campuses.

00:07:52.000 Like all roads used to lead to Rome.

00:07:54.000 All roads lead to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford.

00:07:56.000 And they are also the feeding factory of the FBI, of Goldman Sachs, of Google, of the CIA, of the United Nations.

00:08:07.000 While I bash colleges relentlessly, I also acknowledge and admit that if you can get the special card, the special ticket to the secret society, you're going to have an easier time climbing up elite circles.

00:08:25.000 If you have a diploma from Harvard, you have a leg up, period.

00:08:29.000 You're going to be treated differently.

00:08:31.000 They call it the H-bomb.

00:08:34.000 That as soon as you say you're from Harvard, people change their mannerisms and their posture.

00:08:38.000 Wow.

00:08:39.000 I'll be honest, I'm guilty of this too.

00:08:41.000 When I found out Blake went to Dartmouth, I treated him more seriously.

00:08:44.000 I'm kidding, Blake.

00:08:45.000 But there's, and by the way, the old joke is: how do you know someone who went to Harvard, they'll tell you in the first five minutes, they'll drop the H-bomb on you.

00:08:51.000 Oh, yes, when I was at Harvard rowing, like, okay, pal, got it, thanks.

00:08:54.000 But even at times, you know, you hear someone goes to the Ivy League school, you're like, okay, that you're kind of conditioned to treat them, not treat them differently, but take what they say more seriously, or there might be something to them.

00:09:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:05.000 The new way that the Harvard people say, when I was in school right outside of Boston and like this fake modesty, and like, oh, really?

00:09:11.000 Boston College?

00:09:12.000 No, no.

00:09:14.000 UMass?

00:09:15.000 No, no.

00:09:17.000 Yeah, okay.

00:09:17.000 We know where you're getting there.

00:09:19.000 I went to college in Boston.

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, okay, pal.

00:09:21.000 But something is finally changing.

00:09:23.000 And unfortunately, it took a 9-11 style tragedy to get things to change.

00:09:29.000 One of the reasons why we are losing Western civilization is because of higher education, period.

00:09:35.000 And the funding mechanism for that have been elite Jewish donors that have been giving billions of dollars to subsidize what they think is great intentions, but is the downfall of the West. 0.91

00:09:50.000 Included in that, though, and they've hit it for a while, is outright Jew hatred.

00:09:56.000 And now that Jew hatred is not hiding any longer. 0.66

00:09:59.000 The masks are off. 0.96

00:10:00.000 The volcano has exploded. 0.98

00:10:04.000 And it's more clear than ever that university campuses are an ideological safe haven for Hamas, for the justification of killing Jews and destroying America. 0.99

00:10:15.000 And finally, Jewish donors are revolting. 0.98

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00:11:19.000 So there's this stream of money that goes to these university campuses.

00:11:24.000 But finally, based on all of the pro-Hamas demonstrations of students that say this is wonderful that Jews were killed, they're saying that this was justified, that this is decolonization, this is liberation.

00:11:38.000 Finally, there is a schism occurring.

00:11:41.000 Israeli billionaire Idan and Batia Ofer donated $20 million to the Harvard Kennedy School.

00:11:47.000 They've just announced they're done.

00:11:48.000 They're quitting the school's board after Harvard's shocking response to Hamas's mass butchery of Israeli citizens.

00:11:55.000 Bill Ackman, a very well-known hedge fund manager, is demanding the names of pro-Hamas students to blacklist them from Wall Street.

00:12:05.000 Wharton mega donor Mark Rowan is publicly calling on donors to close their checkbooks and defund University of Pennsylvania.

00:12:13.000 This is just the beginning.

00:12:15.000 There's a lot more than this, by the way.

00:12:16.000 There's $100,000, $200,000 donors that are defecting in major numbers.

00:12:22.000 And the essence of it is, again, how many times are we knowingly putting our money, our time, our treasure, our energy, our political power in a way that destabilizes our own country.

00:12:37.000 Look at our immigration policy.

00:12:39.000 That is a form of suicide of what we are doing.

00:12:42.000 Bringing in the third world, bringing in people that do not share our values into our country. 1.00

00:12:48.000 It destabilizes.

00:12:50.000 You see, campus divestment, which needs to happen across the board, is an isolated example of finally a group stepping up and stopping their own suicide.

00:13:00.000 So what needs to happen next?

00:13:02.000 Well, why doesn't the Oklahoma legislature get together and defund the University of Oklahoma, which is a breeding ground of anti-Americanism?

00:13:14.000 Or the Missouri legislature.

00:13:15.000 I'm going next week to Missouri State University.

00:13:17.000 And they got all sorts of Marxist, pro-Hamas demonstrations happening in Springfield, Missouri.

00:13:21.000 This needs to be a widespread movement, and not just on the university side, but you need to look through everything through the lens of, am I participating in something that then makes the country I love, the values I share, less likely to continue to the next generation?

00:13:40.000 We used to be a superpower. 0.76

00:13:42.000 Now, we are acting like a stupid power, quite honestly, from what we are funding, what we're doing. 0.99

00:13:47.000 And it's driven by guilt. 1.00

00:13:48.000 It's driven by bad ideology.

00:13:51.000 And part of the awakening that needs to occur in this country is that there are worse things than being called names by the bad guys.

00:14:01.000 You know, they're calling the donors that are defecting anti-education.

00:14:05.000 They don't care.

00:14:06.000 And honestly, Mark Rowan, these guys that are defunding these universities, this is super, I don't know.

00:14:15.000 I don't know them, but I guarantee you that their parents or their grandparents had close memories to the Holocaust.

00:14:23.000 And for them, this is like the breaking point.

00:14:25.000 Like, we're done.

00:14:27.000 We are done.

00:14:28.000 And I hope that there isn't some sort of, you know, effort to bring them back and they soften all this.

00:14:34.000 And honestly, these universities have done a deal with the devil for quite some time.

00:14:38.000 Universities take significant Middle Eastern funding, significant Middle Eastern funding.

00:14:44.000 You know, 15 million here and 20 million here.

00:14:48.000 They've allowed the sons and daughters of the Middle Eastern oligarchs and theocratic dictators to come in and go to school at UPenn, Cornell, Princeton, Stanford.

00:15:03.000 They've let them in for a while.

00:15:04.000 And not just the elite kids, but Arab kids all over.

00:15:09.000 And then they're shocked when all of a sudden Harvard University, they have kids coming out and supporting what happened.

00:15:15.000 It's not just Harvard.

00:15:17.000 NYU, the head of the student association at NYU, the Bar Association, comes out and says, Israel brought this upon themselves.

00:15:27.000 But this is not just about the Israel issue.

00:15:30.000 It's happening on a daily basis.

00:15:33.000 It's happening to foment the anti-white sentiment in this country.

00:15:37.000 It's happening to breed outright anti-Americanism, a war against our free speech rights.

00:15:45.000 It's a top-down revolution that is financed by elite circles.

00:15:51.000 And my prayer is that out of this total tragedy, God will use evil for good.

00:15:55.000 As he says in Genesis 50, 20, what the enemy meant for evil, God will use for good.

00:16:01.000 And one good that can come out of this unthinkable savagery and horror is the West realizes that they have been underwriting this for years.

00:16:15.000 They've been underwriting the ideological justification for that horror and the continuation of it.

00:16:21.000 It needs to happen in every institution.

00:16:23.000 Colleges, corporate, religious.

00:16:26.000 Stop funding things that destabilize your values.

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00:17:36.000 Joining us now is Professor Alan Dershowitz.

00:17:39.000 Professor, thank you so much for joining the program.

00:17:41.000 Professor, it's been a very difficult week, a sad week, a heavy week.

00:17:44.000 It's tragic.

00:17:45.000 Professor, I'm curious, were you even shocked at the response from some of these Harvard students?

00:17:50.000 I mean, you know the community very well.

00:17:52.000 You know, you've built a whole career there.

00:17:54.000 Was this even, was this something where you were even surprised to see the outright Jew hatred gone public so quickly after a massacre of 1,300 Jews?

00:18:05.000 I was not surprised.

00:18:06.000 When you propagandize young students for years, years and years and tell them that Jews are the privileged group and the Israelis are the colonialist settlers and you grade them down in class if they don't take that view.

00:18:21.000 You prevent speakers.

00:18:22.000 For example, I retired from Harvard 10 years ago.

00:18:26.000 I have never been invited back to speak about Israel.

00:18:30.000 Once a group wanted me to speak, but they told me I had to speak off the campus because they were afraid of violent reaction when I supported the two-state solution.

00:18:40.000 I didn't support Hamas, obviously, that wants a one-state solution. 0.97

00:18:45.000 No Jews. 1.00

00:18:46.000 All I want from Harvard is a single standard. 0.98

00:18:48.000 I want to know what Harvard would do if a group of students signed a petition saying we support the bombing of a gay bar that occurred somewhere, or we support the bombing of a black church. 0.92

00:19:00.000 It was the gays and the blacks who were at fault for them being bombed. 1.00

00:19:04.000 I just want to know what President Gay of Harvard, what presidents of other schools would say if a group of students, 30 groups of students, wrote petitions blaming blacks for the bombing of black churches, blaming gays for the burning or the shooting into a gay bar. 0.96

00:19:23.000 Whatever that standard is, I accept for Jews and for Israel.

00:19:27.000 But I will not, and no donor to Harvard should accept a double standard that discriminates against Jews, against Zionists, against the state of Israel.

00:19:36.000 So, Professor, we're starting to see a revolt amongst donors.

00:19:40.000 And a significant amount of the donations that come to Ivy League schools are from obviously alumni, but also Jewish alumni, very generous.

00:19:47.000 The Jewish community is incredibly generous.

00:19:50.000 We're starting to see evidence that the Jewish community is saying no more.

00:19:52.000 They're cutting off the money.

00:19:53.000 Do you think that Harvard and Penn, for example, are they past the point of redemption?

00:19:59.000 Is it time to just cut it off, cut your losses, and say, we will no longer subsidize this outright Jew hatred? 0.96

00:20:06.000 Well, I wouldn't subsidize it now, but I don't think they're beyond the point of redemption.

00:20:10.000 I do think that they can have a reckoning.

00:20:12.000 Remember, after one black man, George Floyd, was horribly murdered, one black man who had fentanyl in him, who was drunk and had a criminal record, one black man was killed.

00:20:21.000 It caused a reckoning at Harvard, change of emission standards, change of curriculum, appointing dozens of diversity deans.

00:20:29.000 Don't you think it's time for a reckoning at Harvard University about its anti-Semitism, by the way, which is 100 years old, anti-Jewish quotas, supporting the Nazis in the 1930s?

00:20:40.000 Harvard has a major reckoning to do, and I will not send Harvard a single penny until it does that reckoning.

00:20:48.000 And I have to tell you, I have gotten calls not only from Jewish donors, but from non-Jewish donors, friends of mine, former clients, others who are not Jewish, and they said not a penny to Harvard, not a penny to Yale, not a penny to New York City University.

00:21:03.000 Let me talk about the worst university in the country, New York University, City University of New York Law School, which has become the propaganda arm of Hamas. 0.90

00:21:15.000 It had a Hamas supporting speaker at his graduation.

00:21:18.000 Its faculty voted unanimously, unanimously to boycott Israel and only Israel.

00:21:26.000 Nobody should hire anybody who graduated from that law school unless you want your students, your clients, to be serviced by people who support rapists, who support lynchers. 0.81

00:21:39.000 Again, this is comparable to the lynching of 3,000 black people in 100-year history of the South.

00:21:48.000 More Jews were lynched on one day than in any 10-year period during the lynchings. 0.92

00:21:53.000 And yet you have black leaders, Black Lives Matter, saying we support Hamas hand gliders coming in and murdering children. 0.98

00:22:00.000 You have other black groups and black organizations. 0.98

00:22:03.000 The head of the New York University Student Bar Association comes out that way.

00:22:10.000 Fortunately, she lost her job at Winston-Strawn.

00:22:14.000 Thank you, Winston-Strawn, for doing the right thing.

00:22:16.000 You would not want any of her clients to be represented by somebody who supported rapists and beheaders and kidnappers.

00:22:23.000 So we have to apply a single standard, and that's the university's major fault.

00:22:27.000 It applies a double standard to progressive, woke, left racists and bigots, and a very, very different standard to democracies, including Israel and including Jews who are regarded as the privileged.

00:22:41.000 That has to end.

00:22:43.000 I've been at universities now, elite universities for 65 years, and it's not acceptable.

00:22:50.000 And I will not stand for it.

00:22:51.000 I will urge all donors to cut all donations unless there's a reckoning.

00:22:56.000 So, Professor, here's what's fascinating to me is that President Gray of Harvard is acting against her own financial interest.

00:23:03.000 And I'm trying to figure out, I think I know why, but I want you to explain.

00:23:07.000 What she's saying and doing will be harder for her to raise capital, harder for her to be able to quell a rebellion of donors.

00:23:15.000 So then, is there something she fears more than, Professor, than donors getting angry?

00:23:20.000 And if so, what is that?

00:23:22.000 It is a revolt among some students, 10% of the students, the racist bigots who Harvard willingly admits, knowing about their racism and bigotry. 0.79

00:23:31.000 Way, they turn down students and they sometimes rescind admissions when people when students make anti-gay or anti-black or other anti-statements, but they welcome anti-Semites into the school. 0.62

00:23:45.000 She fears the 10% who will boycott her office.

00:23:48.000 She also doesn't believe that donations will be cut off.

00:23:51.000 Remember, a lot of people donate to Harvard because it's a good thing to do and it gives you status and it maybe gets you on the board of overseers.

00:24:00.000 That's going to come to an end.

00:24:02.000 I spoke last night to one of the largest contributors to universities in the history of America.

00:24:09.000 And he's having real second thoughts about where his money is going.

00:24:14.000 And a lot of these people are nearing the end of their lives and we're talking about their wills.

00:24:19.000 And let me tell you, President Gay, you better have this reckoning now, or you're going to lose so much money in testamentary gifts and other gifts from people.

00:24:32.000 We will not simply sit and accept a double standard against Jews.

00:24:37.000 And you have to take a much stronger stand.

00:24:38.000 Now, President Gay has been influenced.

00:24:40.000 The first statement she made was an abomination.

00:24:43.000 The second statement she made was wrong.

00:24:45.000 The third statement she made was weak.

00:24:47.000 And finally, she's made a fourth statement, which had it been the first statement, might have been acceptable, but isn't acceptable in the context.

00:24:55.000 And we've had other universities that have said nothing.

00:24:58.000 Now, I don't mind if the university does Chicago does and says we don't get involved in any of these events at all.

00:25:04.000 We don't care if you're anti-Black. 0.93

00:25:06.000 We don't care if you're anti-gay. 0.99

00:25:07.000 We don't care if you're anti-Jewish. 0.88

00:25:08.000 If you're a student studying science, just study.

00:25:11.000 Okay, that's one approach. 0.76

00:25:12.000 But you can't have a double standard and say, we will stand on our heads to make sure that not a single black student is ever offended or a gay student is ever offended.

00:25:21.000 But you can say whatever you want about Jews, whatever you want about Israel, whatever you want about Zionism.

00:25:26.000 There's a different set of rules for Jews and for others.

00:25:30.000 We will not accept that.

00:25:32.000 Larry Summers and I together have been part of Harvard for over 100 years.

00:25:37.000 The Jewish professors at Harvard helped make the reputation of that university, along with others, non-Jewish professors who are appalled by what's going on. 0.96

00:25:47.000 And we have a say too.

00:25:49.000 Don't be so chickenhearted and afraid of those 10% of students who you can never satisfy anyway, because what they are is anti-American, they're anti-Harvard in the end, they're anti-Western culture, and they're certainly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.

00:26:04.000 That's right.

00:26:05.000 And, you know, that reckoning needs to happen.

00:26:07.000 And talk also, Professor, that it's the 10% of the students, but also the students get ideological and intellectual air support from some of the faculty.

00:26:16.000 And President Gay, yeah, tell us about that.

00:26:19.000 It's 25% of the faculty.

00:26:21.000 It's only 10% of the students, but it's 25% of the faculty.

00:26:26.000 And by the way, you talk about Jewish donors.

00:26:28.000 Some of the worst offenders on the faculty and among the students are kids who were born of Jewish parents. 1.00

00:26:34.000 They're self-hating Jews who are trying to prove that they're in, you know, the woke movement basically says, if you're Jewish and you want to become part of our woke progressive movement, we have a litmus test for you. 0.97

00:26:48.000 Come out even more strongly against Israel than our non-Jewish students do. 0.98

00:26:52.000 Then we'll be able to accept you as one of us.

00:26:55.000 And so a lot of them give in. 0.97

00:26:57.000 And so a lot of the leaders of this anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel posse are Jewish. 0.75

00:27:06.000 And a lot of the faculty members are Jewish. 0.95

00:27:08.000 A lot of them are hard, hard, hard left.

00:27:10.000 They were people who would have supported communism in the 1930s and would support today socialist candidates for office.

00:27:20.000 Remember, the Democratic Socialists of America are among the worst defenders.

00:27:24.000 They came out strongly in favor of Hamas.

00:27:26.000 They've always been in favor of Hamas.

00:27:28.000 Hamas' main lawyer in New York, his name is Cohen. 0.61

00:27:32.000 You know, again, he went to jail for tax evasion, but nonetheless, he's a self-hating Jew who actively supports Hamas and actively supports Hezbollah. 0.91

00:27:43.000 I'm not talking about representing them.

00:27:44.000 Anybody's entitled to have their constitutional rights defended.

00:27:48.000 I'm talking about glorifying them, supporting them, giving them ideological support.

00:27:54.000 And that's what some Jewish lawyers, some Jewish radicals, and even some Jewish donors are doing.

00:28:00.000 But we have to make Harvard pay a price and other schools pay a price for its unwillingness to apply a single standard and to engage in the kind of reckoning with Jews that it did with blacks. 0.77

00:28:13.000 Obviously, your most recent book is Get Trump.

00:28:14.000 Can you plug one of your books so that you have published on this topic of Jew hatred and Israel?

00:28:20.000 I think that would be really helpful for our audience.

00:28:22.000 Sure.

00:28:22.000 I wrote The Case for Israel, which was a major bestseller back in the early part of the 20th century.

00:28:29.000 I wrote a book called The Case for Peace, where I come out in favor of the two-state solution.

00:28:33.000 And I say I'm pro-Israel, pro-Palestine, but anti-Hamas. 0.93

00:28:36.000 So I have a bunch of books on Israel and the Israeli situation.

00:28:40.000 I guess if somebody wants to really read my views on that, the case for Israel is probably the best one. 0.99

00:28:46.000 I'm now writing a book that'll be out, I hope, in two weeks called The War on the Jews.

00:28:52.000 And I have about half of it written already since last Sunday.

00:28:55.000 You know, when I get inspired by these horrible events, I don't stop until I'm finished.

00:29:01.000 So I will complete this book by the middle of next week.

00:29:04.000 It'll be sent to the public.

00:29:06.000 And you can get the war in about two or three weeks.

00:29:09.000 I'm laughing.

00:29:10.000 Only Professor Dershowitz can just say, you know what, I want to write a book.

00:29:12.000 And in two weeks, you have a whole nother book.

00:29:14.000 It's just, it's unparalleled.

00:29:16.000 The book is The Case for Israel, if you are interested.

00:29:21.000 So, Professor, there's increased chatter.

00:29:24.000 You could see this: United Nations, the media, they're starting to turn on Israel.

00:29:27.000 They're accusing Israel of potentially trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza, not giving ample time for humanitarian movement.

00:29:34.000 Do the best you can to fill our audience in.

00:29:36.000 What is the truth of what is going to happen, what is happening?

00:29:39.000 The history of Gaza and Israel, and the false moral equivalency the media tries to make where now they're saying Israel is killing women and children indiscriminately.

00:29:49.000 That is a narrative the media is starting to bubble up.

00:29:51.000 Well, let's first talk for a minute just about Gaza.

00:29:54.000 Gaza was, Gaza was, the occupation of Gaza ended completely in 2005.

00:30:01.000 Not a single Israeli soldier or civilian remained.

00:30:04.000 They left behind hot houses, farm equipment.

00:30:07.000 European countries had turned Gaza into Singapore and the Mediterranean.

00:30:12.000 Instead, there was a bloody coup.

00:30:14.000 The Hamas murdered the leaders of the Palestinian Authority, exiled the rest of them, took over the country, and started sending rockets into Israel.

00:30:23.000 Obviously, Israel had to protect itself at that point.

00:30:26.000 But take, for example, what happened today.

00:30:29.000 Israel today warned the citizens of North Gaza, leave.

00:30:33.000 We'll give you some time.

00:30:34.000 Leave.

00:30:35.000 Have the United Nations, the Red Cross, help you leave.

00:30:38.000 Go south.

00:30:38.000 Just even if you have to walk, plenty of them have cars.

00:30:42.000 Even if you have to walk, walk two, three miles south.

00:30:45.000 You'll be safe because we have to attack North Gaza because that's where the rockets are coming from. 0.99

00:30:52.000 What does Hamas do?

00:30:53.000 Not only says to the people, don't leave, stay behind, become human shields, let your children die, but those who wanted to leave, Hamas has blocked the roads.

00:31:04.000 And so, and the UN says, we can't do it, it's impossible, instead of offering to help.

00:31:10.000 So Israel has done what other countries didn't do.

00:31:12.000 The United States didn't warn before Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the firebombing of Tokyo.

00:31:18.000 They didn't warn before the firebombing of Dresden.

00:31:21.000 Israel is warning, is warning that people get out and they have an opportunity to get out.

00:31:27.000 And many of them are refusing to do so, and others are being blocked from doing so from Hamas.

00:31:32.000 So, let me tell you, every single child, tragically, every single woman who dies as the result of Israel's necessary invasion of North Gaza, every single one of them will be the responsibility of Hamas, of the United Nations, of others who have refused to accept Israel's act of warning, an act unique in military history. 0.79

00:31:55.000 Professor, in closing here, you've done a lot of thinking about the geopolitics.

00:31:59.000 Knowing what we know now as things develop over years and decades, what do you think is a best case solution, not even solution, but just remedy to this very complicated situation?

00:32:11.000 Egypt doesn't want Gaza. 0.88

00:32:13.000 It's a problem that's going to continue.

00:32:16.000 What would you say if you were to advise the prime minister, you know this very, very well, how would you, what would a success look like given the tragedy and the confusion?

00:32:26.000 Well, I sat with the prime minister for almost three hours the Friday night, 10 days before this happened.

00:32:31.000 And obviously, we talked about that and other things.

00:32:34.000 The optimum solution is to end Gaza, the Gaza Strip. 1.00

00:32:40.000 The Gaza Strip should not exist as an independent standalone entity.

00:32:45.000 It should either go to Egypt or it should be basically integrated.

00:32:51.000 The population should be integrated into the West Bank or other areas.

00:32:56.000 It cannot remain controlled by Hamas, which is not a country, but a terrorist organization.

00:33:03.000 Israel then can talk about a kind of two-state solution.

00:33:08.000 It will never be a state of the kind that the Palestinians like. 1.00

00:33:11.000 It has to be a disarmed state.

00:33:13.000 It has to be a state in which the AC is controlled by Israel. 0.61

00:33:17.000 But if you go to Ramallah, it's a wonderful city on the West Bank.

00:33:21.000 I've been there many times.

00:33:22.000 I've met with the leaders of the Palestinian Authority there.

00:33:24.000 It's a city as beautiful as Jerusalem.

00:33:26.000 You never see an Israeli soldier.

00:33:28.000 You never see an Israeli civilian there unless they're invited, like I have been.

00:33:32.000 And they're living independently.

00:33:33.000 There is already a two-state solution.

00:33:35.000 Ramallah is the Palestinian state.

00:33:38.000 That just has to be expanded to a few other areas.

00:33:42.000 And then the Palestinians will have more rights than any Arabs anywhere in the Arab world. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Already they do.

00:33:48.000 But you can give their cities independence, but they cannot be trusted with an army, a navy, and rockets and any form of military hardware that can be used against Israel. 0.58

00:33:59.000 They have to be completely and totally disarmed.

00:34:01.000 We're out of time, but Professor, you and I both know that some of the leaders, like Abbas and others, I don't think they want to have a remedy.

00:34:08.000 I think that constant conflict strengthens them because it would require them to actually govern their citizens, not just push hate, conflict, and jihad against the Jews.

00:34:18.000 That's a very important element here.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:22.000 The events last Saturday only strengthen the hand of the radicals.

00:34:26.000 Professor, thank you so much.

00:34:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:32.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:35.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 13, 2023

Why Jews Need to Stop Funding Colleges with Alan Dershowitz

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