The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Megyn Kelly Stayed Quiet

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00:01:10.000 So, Megan, you know what we're going to talk about here.

00:01:12.000 It's, of course, the affordability crisis.

00:01:15.000 Yeah.

00:01:19.000 Yeah, I mean, like, you know, thank you for joining us and making the time.

00:01:23.000 You are in demand.

00:01:24.000 You went from one thing to the next, the next.

00:01:25.000 You had a delay getting here.

00:01:27.000 So I just want to give Megan Kelly serious kudos that she still showed up for all of you and for this podcast.

00:01:33.000 God bless you for that.

00:01:34.000 I would not have missed it.

00:01:35.000 Of course.

00:01:36.000 Love you guys.

00:01:37.000 Thank you.

00:01:37.000 Love you guys.

00:01:38.000 Megan, so I do want to give you a chance to just kind of, people didn't understand the role you were playing behind the scenes.

00:01:46.000 And I understood it.

00:01:48.000 And I wasn't at liberty to explain what you were doing behind the scenes.

00:01:53.000 But I actually think I want to say thank you because there was very few people that could have filled that role that you were attempting to play.

00:02:00.000 And you were holding your fire, even though your audience was like demanding you weigh in on certain things and you didn't.

00:02:05.000 You were disciplined and professional.

00:02:07.000 So I know exactly what you did and why you did it.

00:02:11.000 And I want to vouch for you as a third party that understood why you were, you know, remaining out of the fray.

00:02:17.000 And you took a lot of heat from that.

00:02:19.000 What was that like?

00:02:19.000 You know?

00:02:20.000 So thank you for that.

00:02:21.000 Well, it's annoying to me to be attacked by people who don't know what they're talking about, right?

00:02:28.000 So it's one thing if you have your doubts, like, why isn't she saying this about that or this about the other thing?

00:02:34.000 And then maybe you reach out to me and say, is there another reason?

00:02:37.000 Like, is there something I don't know?

00:02:39.000 But to see people who I consider like long-term friends go out and publicly call me a coward when you, you and I both know how much we've talked behind the scenes about how to handle this problem.

00:02:52.000 What are the options?

00:02:53.000 What do we all think is the best option?

00:02:55.000 You too, Blake.

00:02:57.000 We could do this.

00:02:58.000 We could do that.

00:02:59.000 Let's try this.

00:03:00.000 Maybe we'll do a baby step this way.

00:03:02.000 You know, we've all been talking for months.

00:03:05.000 And then it graduated to, you know, it was ramping up.

00:03:10.000 And then Erica called me.

00:03:13.000 And it was her idea to meet with Candace.

00:03:18.000 And she said, I want to do it.

00:03:20.000 And I originally said, are you sure you want to do that?

00:03:22.000 Like, you know, Candace said, one word from you will silence this.

00:03:26.000 And maybe you just have to give her a word.

00:03:29.000 Maybe if you just send her a note or a letter.

00:03:32.000 Try.

00:03:33.000 Try peace.

00:03:34.000 Like maybe, maybe Candace wants an off-ramp potentially. 1.00

00:03:37.000 I don't know.

00:03:37.000 I don't know Candace that well.

00:03:38.000 I know her a little.

00:03:39.000 I've gotten to know her a little better over the past few months.

00:03:42.000 So, but Erica really didn't want to do that. 0.99

00:03:44.000 She thought it was important that it be like an in-person meeting and that she allow herself to be subjected to whatever questions Candice had.

00:03:53.000 And she said, will you please be a part of that with me?

00:03:56.000 Like, will you go with me?

00:03:57.000 And of course I said, yes, I'll go.

00:03:59.000 And at that moment, I felt I was very lucky that I hadn't been leading attacks against Candace because, I mean, obviously I disagreed with her on all the things she said about you guys in Turning Point.

00:04:10.000 And I said that on my show many times.

00:04:11.000 I mean, I made very clear to everybody, I don't agree with these theories, and this is what I think happened, and all the evidence suggests it is this man and whatever.

00:04:20.000 But I was very happy that I hadn't gone scorched earth on Candace Owens because I was in a position where I would have been acceptable to her.

00:04:29.000 And sure enough, she and I had a text exchange shortly after mine with Erica where she was like, I'm glad it's you.

00:04:34.000 Yes, I'll do it.

00:04:36.000 And I just saw Erica backstage and she said, you can say whatever, you can tell everybody what's happened.

00:04:42.000 But the original plan was that we were going to have a live stream on the day you guys were going to do the live stream in Arizona was the first plan.

00:04:53.000 Erica, Candace, and yours truly as more of a facilitator.

00:04:57.000 Those two were going to do it.

00:04:59.000 And I was going to be there just to keep everybody within the lines.

00:05:02.000 And then Candace said she was facing a security threat out here in Arizona and that she couldn't, she wasn't going to come.

00:05:11.000 And Erica said, I'll come to you, which I was surprised Erica said that, you know, because if Erica didn't really want to do this, she easily could have been like, okay, I offered.

00:05:22.000 But she was like, no, I'll come to Nashville.

00:05:24.000 Try it again.

00:05:24.000 So I was like, wow.

00:05:26.000 Like, Erica's strong.

00:05:27.000 She's like, she's going through a lot right now.

00:05:30.000 And she's got her kids.

00:05:31.000 And she had just come off of like Charlie's book tour was in the middle of it.

00:05:34.000 So it was like a lot.

00:05:36.000 And I will say to her credit, Candace actually wound up saying okay to that, though the live stream idea died.

00:05:42.000 And they wound up deciding that they would just meet the two of them since they weren't going to put this out on the airwaves for public consumption, which was fine with me.

00:05:50.000 And I thought that was a good idea.

00:05:52.000 And look, I mean, it's up to them to talk about, you know, what did and did not happen there.

00:05:56.000 But the initial impression I think is fair to say from both women was that it went well and that it ended in a much better place than where it started.

00:06:05.000 Now, will that hold?

00:06:07.000 What's more fragile, the Gaza peacefire or this situation?

00:06:13.000 I know Erica's not going to do anything. 0.99

00:06:14.000 The question is, where's Candace going to take it? 0.98

00:06:16.000 And I've seen what she's doing this week.

00:06:17.000 I really don't know.

00:06:19.000 My only goal all along has been to try not to take sides in, not the turning point thing, but in the Israel battle that's happening in the conservative movement, such that I can make room for people who are upset with Israel and not fans of Israel's behavior and still, you know, have room for the people who are ardently pro-Israel, as I have been, as Charlie was for all those years.

00:06:43.000 And then that morph, like it started off like an insistence that I condemn the people who are anti-Israel into an insistence that I condemn every single iteration of what they were saying forevermore.

00:06:54.000 And then it felt too BLM-y for me, and I was like, I'm out. 0.99

00:06:58.000 It reminds me of what Russell Brand said from stage, where he was just like, I'm so against authority.

00:07:03.000 Like, I have to rage against it.

00:07:04.000 And it was a, there is a thing.

00:07:06.000 Tucker's kind of like that, too.

00:07:07.000 When you tell Tucker he can't talk about something, he's going to talk about it.

00:07:11.000 Like, if you want him to talk about it, just do the reverse psychology with Tucker.

00:07:14.000 You cannot talk about UFOs.

00:07:16.000 And then the guy's going to just go all in on UFOs for like a year and a half.

00:07:20.000 And that was Charlie, too, where people would say, oh, don't have Tucker at the event.

00:07:24.000 And I remember him saying, I might have to invite him twice now.

00:07:27.000 He just got two speeches.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, we're going to do two speeches.

00:07:30.000 And it was just, it was what he said.

00:07:32.000 He hated moral blackmail.

00:07:33.000 Yes.

00:07:34.000 If you want to make the argument that he's wrong, he'd listen to that.

00:07:37.000 But that argument of you should feel strong-armed into not associating with him.

00:07:41.000 He just despised that.

00:07:42.000 No, it's like, it's not enough that you're not a critic.

00:07:45.000 Like, you're not.

00:07:46.000 Okay, so somebody like Eben Shapiro doesn't like the critics of Israel or whatever his latest point is.

00:07:53.000 Now he's trying to say it's all about Erica, but it's about Israel.

00:07:56.000 So he doesn't like the people who are critics of Israel.

00:07:58.000 But then he also wants to condemn and excommunicate people who aren't critics of the critics.

00:08:03.000 They also need to go.

00:08:04.000 So who will be standing when Ben is done with us?

00:08:06.000 Truly.

00:08:07.000 Like who?

00:08:07.000 It'll be Ben and Barry Weiss.

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00:09:16.000 I did notice a tweet that you put out about an hour and a half ago, whenever people watch this.

00:09:23.000 So I don't know when that will be, but where you're talking about something that, and I said this backstage, I was like, that is exactly what Charlie would have said.

00:09:34.000 And you said something about, you know, friends should pick up the phone and call you if they have a problem instead of sneak attack.

00:09:40.000 And I didn't know exactly who you were directing that at, if it was Ben or Barry or both.

00:09:45.000 Okay, fine.

00:09:46.000 Yeah, we got. 0.55

00:09:47.000 Only cowards take to the national stage or ex to attack their friends without so much as a phone call to discuss it.

00:09:55.000 And also didn't tag me because she is afraid.

00:09:58.000 Laughing emoji, laughing emoji, laughing emoji.

00:10:02.000 I was retweeting a tweet by Barry Weiss, which reads.

00:10:05.000 Oh, I can get that too.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, it's attached.

00:10:08.000 It was, Barry said, only cowards tolerate conspiracy theorists.

00:10:12.000 Ben Shapiro delivered a barn burner tonight at TPUSA.

00:10:15.000 Read the whole thing in the free press, and I think it's just a link to his address.

00:10:19.000 Okay, so let me just tell you something.

00:10:21.000 Barry Weiss, over the past five years, has been like a good friend of mine.

00:10:26.000 I have advised her in her many legal battles she's had.

00:10:30.000 I have advised her on her failed nonprofit that she tried.

00:10:35.000 I have constantly been there to help her through any sort of tumultuous thing that came her way.

00:10:40.000 We've had drinks together.

00:10:42.000 Like, I know Barry Weiss.

00:10:43.000 Ben Shapiro has been coming on my show since 2011.

00:10:47.000 Nobody knew who he was.

00:10:49.000 I literally helped make Ben Shapiro's name for him.

00:10:52.000 So I have a lot of very positive experiences in the well with both of these folks.

00:10:56.000 And they know that I've been very pro-Israel.

00:10:59.000 So what in the actual?

00:11:04.000 11-year-olds.

00:11:05.000 11-year-olds.

00:11:05.000 Good job.

00:11:06.000 I did.

00:11:06.000 I've been censoring.

00:11:07.000 I know Charlie doesn't.

00:11:08.000 No, you know what?

00:11:09.000 Charlie used to always say that.

00:11:10.000 He would say, I always remember there's 11-year-olds listening.

00:11:13.000 And I love that.

00:11:14.000 It is such a guiding light for me.

00:11:16.000 No, but yes.

00:11:17.000 So, yeah, so I very much felt like this is so out of line.

00:11:21.000 This is so uncalled for.

00:11:23.000 Who wouldn't call me?

00:11:24.000 These guys, they actually know me.

00:11:26.000 I'm in both of their cell phones.

00:11:27.000 They have my number.

00:11:28.000 Who wouldn't just call me up and say, is there something else going on here that I need to know, right?

00:11:34.000 Like, what's going on?

00:11:35.000 Nope.

00:11:36.000 It's more fun to go out on the stage and call a dear friend and Ben couch it with, oh, she's a friend with friends like that. 0.98

00:11:43.000 And call him a coward.

00:11:45.000 Okay, take it up with Erica. 0.95

00:11:48.000 You know, I did this earlier.

00:11:50.000 I'm not going to do it again.

00:11:52.000 I asked the audience, you know, did you appreciate the Ben Shapiro approach?

00:11:56.000 And about half the hands went up.

00:11:57.000 And I said, Do you appreciate the Tucker approach?

00:11:59.000 About half the hands went up.

00:12:01.000 Sometimes the same hand.

00:12:02.000 Yeah.

00:12:03.000 It was like this.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, what are these?

00:12:06.000 It is very interesting when you look at the divisions on the right.

00:12:11.000 And that's why I started this conversation by praising that you were trying to be a peacemaker, that you were trying to hold your fire, and you were actually trying to do the right thing where you were strategically doing something which people interpreted as cowardice.

00:12:24.000 You were actually playing a long game to help bring peace to a situation that was pretty volatile.

00:12:29.000 And that's why I want people to know that why you did what you did, why I did not personally take offense, why I was, you know, all that thing, all those things.

00:12:37.000 And but the divisions are real, and they do tend to come down along this.

00:12:42.000 A lot of this is the Israel.

00:12:44.000 It's the neocon.

00:12:45.000 It's the Israel issue.

00:12:46.000 And, you know, it's funny.

00:12:48.000 I got a press inquiry going about the, we just celebrated one of the hostages on stage.

00:12:55.000 And they were at the music festival 505 days in captivity.

00:13:00.000 They're like, well, with all the Israel stuff, and I was like, wait, are you conflating a foreign policy debate with whether or not it's okay for somebody to be held hostage for 505 days?

00:13:09.000 Why have we lost our ever loving minds about something?

00:13:12.000 That's a leftist statement.

00:13:13.000 The leftists refused to celebrate when Trump got the hostages out.

00:13:16.000 It was like those emotional videos of the hostages being released.

00:13:19.000 Like, if you can't celebrate that, you've lost your grip on humanity.

00:13:22.000 But there's no question Israel is dividing the conservative movement right now. 0.95

00:13:26.000 And may I just say for the record, I strongly object.

00:13:30.000 I'm sorry.

00:13:31.000 It's deeply wrong that we would ever divide America over a foreign country.

00:13:36.000 I do think there is a contingent within the pro-Israeli group that is Israel first. 0.65

00:13:41.000 They really are.

00:13:42.000 They're proving it every day.

00:13:44.000 And, you know, this is some of what I'm going to talk about tonight, but I don't see it that way at all.

00:13:50.000 I'm not, the people who are my enemy are the people who shot Charlie Kirk.

00:13:55.000 It's the people who want all of us dead because we're at a turning point convention.

00:14:00.000 It is not someone who doesn't like Israel or B.B. Netanyahu or even somebody who has some negative associations with not Jewish people writ large, but with the Jewish activists who are a bunch of bullies. 0.99

00:14:15.000 I understand the criticism against them because I've been on the receiving end of it, notwithstanding the fact that I've never said one word against Israel. 0.87

00:14:23.000 Not one word.

00:14:24.000 It's my failure to condemn as if I am mother of the internet. 0.97

00:14:30.000 It's ridiculous.

00:14:31.000 So I really think these pro-Israel advocates, like the most loud and outspoken ones, are the ones who are tearing the movement apart.

00:14:40.000 Yeah, it was interesting because there was a lot made after Charlie was assassinated about the meeting in the Hamptons.

00:14:45.000 Like it became this like, oh, it all went down at the Hamptons and that's why Charlie's dead.

00:14:50.000 And, you know, it's funny.

00:14:51.000 I talked to Charlie and he's like, ah, it was kind of boring, whatever.

00:14:54.000 And I talked to all the team.

00:14:55.000 Nothing like exceptional, really that exceptional happened, at least in Charlie's mind.

00:14:59.000 And I asked him, I was like, what was the whole point of the Hamptons thing?

00:15:01.000 He's like, oh, it was an intervention.

00:15:03.000 I was like, for them, on you, or you on them?

00:15:05.000 He's like, oh, yeah, for me on them.

00:15:07.000 I needed to tell like my Jewish friends, like, they're causing more damage than they are good. 1.00

00:15:11.000 And they're driving people away.

00:15:12.000 And I, and, you know, and then another thing that went viral was you and Charlie's conversation on your show.

00:15:17.000 Right after that.

00:15:18.000 Yeah, where he was just like so annoyed at the moral blackmailing.

00:15:22.000 And it's like, we are, we are your friends, you know, you, you don't.

00:15:25.000 He found it repulsive.

00:15:27.000 Yeah, he did.

00:15:28.000 In a strong way.

00:15:28.000 And I, and, you know, and I try and have a sensitivity for it, and I sympathize with it because, you know, just like you, I have been pro-Israel my whole life.

00:15:38.000 I've never really even questioned it.

00:15:40.000 You know, I like them better than the other guys, you know, like that as an American.

00:15:43.000 I mean, you know, we have similar enemies.

00:15:45.000 You know, I love the Holy Land.

00:15:47.000 I love like that my Lord and Savior walked there, you know, and that they are good stewards of a lot of those holy sites.

00:15:54.000 But, you know, when you get to a point where you're like, your friends have gone through this traumatic situation, October 7th, you try and have sympathy for that and understand that it's been a traumatic experience.

00:16:05.000 But, you know, we have to find a way through here, a third way through.

00:16:10.000 And I think that's what Charlie was doing.

00:16:11.000 He was trying to fight for a larger conversation that more people could feel a part of.

00:16:15.000 I agree.

00:16:15.000 Both of us were.

00:16:16.000 And that's why when he came on that show, you and I have talked about this many times.

00:16:19.000 But when he came on my show on August 6th, which was post-the intervention, we were not planning on discussing Israel.

00:16:28.000 I'm trying to get my exact timing right because he came on once a month.

00:16:31.000 So I think that was the August 6th one.

00:16:33.000 We were not planning on discussing Israel at all.

00:16:36.000 I just knew.

00:16:37.000 I knew from seeing him at the Student Action Summit where we had a backstage exchange that he had had it.

00:16:42.000 And I was feeling the same.

00:16:44.000 I was like, this is very annoying.

00:16:46.000 I had said almost nothing about Israel.

00:16:48.000 Literally, I'd gone on Piers Morgan and said, I think it's time to wrap it up for them because their approval rating is plummeting, like the popularity of Israel and Netanyahu in America.

00:16:58.000 They've already lost the liberals.

00:16:59.000 They've lost independents.

00:17:01.000 They're starting to lose Republicans, especially the young people, which is who Charlie spent his life surrounded by.

00:17:06.000 So he knew too.

00:17:07.000 And for that, the brigade turned.

00:17:12.000 And they were very, very angry that I said at the Student Action Summit that Epstein, if he was being controlled by anybody, any sort of foreign intelligence service, it was probably Mossad.

00:17:22.000 Anti-Semite.

00:17:23.000 That's an anti-Semitic.

00:17:24.000 Literally, Benjamin Netanyahu just sent out a tweet saying that within the past 20 days.

00:17:30.000 Is he anti-Semitic?

00:17:31.000 So it's like both of us were feeling, this is insane.

00:17:34.000 Like if they'll do this to two ardent advocates who have been on their side openly and avowedly for two years now, since 10-7, not to mention before that, then they'll do this to anybody.

00:17:42.000 And it really did cause me to start looking harder at some of the claims that they've been throwing out of anti-Semitic.

00:17:49.000 And to your point, Andrew, I'm going to say something else.

00:17:51.000 And this is their fault.

00:17:53.000 This is their fault.

00:17:55.000 I've also been somebody who's knee-jerk supported Israel my whole life.

00:17:59.000 And then I got to Fox, and you had to.

00:18:02.000 It was not a question, like you must support Israel, which was fine because that was my natural inclination anyway.

00:18:08.000 But it's only now that I'm starting to reevaluate: do I support Israel?

00:18:14.000 Like, what is it about Israel that I support?

00:18:17.000 Why have I been so knee-jerk defensive of them?

00:18:21.000 Is there another side to consider?

00:18:24.000 Have I been intolerant of people who have a different argument on this?

00:18:29.000 And do I need to do some soul searching on my certainty about what white hat warriors they are? 0.52

00:18:34.000 And I'm telling you, it is not Hamas or the Palestinian protesters on Columbia campus who got me to start thinking that way.

00:18:43.000 It is the bullies who are trying to censor speech on our side about this issue.

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00:19:53.000 And it really is, there's something about it being used as a weapon because I remember one that was very upsetting to Charlie.

00:19:59.000 It was in 23, remember?

00:20:01.000 Where he just, Charlie speculated, did they have reason that they should have caught the attack on Tim?

00:20:07.000 Yeah, he went on Patrick David's podcast and speculated.

00:20:10.000 He just speculated.

00:20:11.000 He was like, he didn't say it was an inside job, but he was like, they're so good.

00:20:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:15.000 How did this happen?

00:20:16.000 They need to find it out.

00:20:17.000 Or did someone, you know, downplay it or ignore something?

00:20:20.000 And he gets denounced as an anti-Semite by someone in one of those op-eds.

00:20:25.000 And it was, I strongly suspect that that attack, it was someone who already just didn't like Turning Point.

00:20:31.000 They didn't like Charlie's position on the RNC.

00:20:33.000 They didn't.

00:20:33.000 They weren't three of them that did it.

00:20:35.000 Yes.

00:20:35.000 And their names will not be mentioned because it's not worth it.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, it's not worth it.

00:20:39.000 But they just saw this as some sort of opportunity to attack Charlie and to use an attack that severe in such a cynical way was very rational.

00:20:48.000 And then without looking at all at Charlie's prior history of supporting Israel.

00:20:51.000 This is going to Israel and so on.

00:20:53.000 Well, and we had young Jewish leadership summits.

00:20:55.000 We sent students to Israel to experience the Holy Land, mostly Christians, by the way.

00:21:00.000 And then what happened is this is how these lies get laundered.

00:21:03.000 So these tweets go out in 2023.

00:21:06.000 2024 at the RNC, these New York Times journalists have to pump out like six stories a day, eight, when they're used to doing like one a week, right?

00:21:15.000 So they're not doing their normal fact checking.

00:21:18.000 The New York Times, it was a Jewish writer out of Chicago.

00:21:20.000 I forget his name actually off the top of my head, but he puts out a headline.

00:21:24.000 It's maybe 450 words story.

00:21:27.000 Charlie Kirk, long known to have anti-Semitic whatever, is speaking at the RNC.

00:21:32.000 One of Israel's biggest supporters is labeled in the New York Times as an anti-Semite.

00:21:37.000 Then what happens?

00:21:38.000 Charlie gets up to the stage at the RNC, starts giving his address.

00:21:41.000 It's a huge moment for Charlie.

00:21:43.000 And CNN Jake Tapper, they cut away from Charlie's speech.

00:21:46.000 And Jake Tapper goes, well, puts out the New York Times article and goes, Charlie's long had a reputation and a history of vile anti-Semitism.

00:21:55.000 And it's like all fake.

00:21:57.000 It's all fake.

00:21:58.000 And I'm on the phone going like, you know, and my job is to like yell at the reporter and like, you know, Dennis Prager and actually Mark Levin, God bless them both. 0.98

00:22:05.000 They, they, I forced the New York Times to basically take their quotes and say this is BS and garbage. 0.63

00:22:11.000 But the damage was done from three bad faith tweets to his 2024 RNC speech. 0.95

00:22:17.000 And all of a sudden he's labeled as this.

00:22:18.000 And he's like, what does a guy got to do to not be just like, you know, you know, labeled with the scarlet letter here?

00:22:24.000 Yeah, no, it's the anatomy of a smear.

00:22:27.000 Yes.

00:22:27.000 But I like, look, I, this sounds so trite, but truly, almost all of my closest friends are Jewish.

00:22:34.000 Just so, I mean, I've been living on the Upper West Side of Manhattan for the past 10 years.

00:22:38.000 And I really believe that there is a serious objection even amongst a lot of Jewish Americans to the bullies. 0.99

00:22:45.000 Because you could write an article like this.

00:22:48.000 That's what you just told us is the anatomy of a smear.

00:22:51.000 But you could write a similar article, the making of an anti-Semite, that would start with these bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm.

00:23:04.000 This is no way to get people over to your side.

00:23:08.000 It is BLM.

00:23:10.000 And they really need to listen to me because I have an unblemished record on support for Israel. 0.94

00:23:15.000 I do.

00:23:15.000 Not to mention American Jews, of whom I was extremely defensive.

00:23:18.000 I wanted all those guys deported at Brown and Columbia, all these people who are visa holders out there protesting, globalized the intifada. 0.99

00:23:27.000 Get out! 0.98

00:23:28.000 Get out! 0.98

00:23:28.000 We don't want anti-Semites here. 0.98

00:23:30.000 But they need to look internally, these bullies who are running this coalition. 0.99

00:23:34.000 It's the black square from BLM. 0.94

00:23:36.000 You're right. 0.99

00:23:36.000 If you didn't post it, then you're a racist. 0.99

00:23:39.000 And there is an element of that with the identity politics of it all When we're discussing Israel, I mean, you remember Charlie's tweet that you that you put out, not his tweet, your internal message, the one that you gave to the FBI.

00:23:55.000 Oh, okay, yeah, we're going there.

00:23:57.000 Well, but it said, it said in there, like, what do you, what do you mean?

00:24:01.000 I have no idea.

00:24:01.000 I'm not revealing it.

00:24:02.000 Amber already revealed this a while ago.

00:24:04.000 But, like, it, it said something like, and look, it wasn't perfectly phrased, but it said something like, these Jewish donors are behaving like so according to stereotype or something like that.

00:24:14.000 Yeah.

00:24:14.000 Which I know that's not polite.

00:24:16.000 He was loosely talking.

00:24:17.000 By the way, this is private.

00:24:18.000 It's a private conversation.

00:24:19.000 But I know what he was trying to say.

00:24:21.000 He was like, you're doing the thing that people stereotype you for doing that most of us defend you against to me.

00:24:28.000 That's what he was saying.

00:24:29.000 Well, and there was a larger conversation that, you know, Charlie was toying with this idea of like, maybe we just were defending Western civilization.

00:24:38.000 You get to be a part of that.

00:24:40.000 That was kind of one of the ideas we were throwing out.

00:24:42.000 But, you know, the issue was, you know, Charlie is not Jewish.

00:24:47.000 And he would go to some of these campuses.

00:24:49.000 And, you know, you're wrestling with young people over these ideologies and these ideas.

00:24:55.000 And he would get 50 to 60% of his questions at some campuses on this one issue.

00:25:00.000 He made Blake read like 48 books about Israel just to like arm him with fact.

00:25:06.000 You're basically Jerry Kushner now.

00:25:07.000 That's what we were doing the night before.

00:25:09.000 Was we were war planning if you get all these questions about it because we just knew it could be an absolute bombardment on that.

00:25:15.000 Were you seeing young conservatives start to ask more questions?

00:25:18.000 Oh, it wasn't.

00:25:19.000 Oh, that's all it was.

00:25:20.000 That was 50 to 60 percent of the questions.

00:25:23.000 Sometimes it was really big.

00:25:24.000 I just remember very shortly after I started with Charlie, I was telling him because he'd already had that the Groyper experience in 2019 where they would spam him.

00:25:33.000 But I think he had compartmentalized that.

00:25:35.000 And shortly after I started, I was telling him, Charlie, this is going to be coming.

00:25:39.000 There's going to be a huge wave of more anti-overt anti-Semitism on the right among young people because that's just, that's clearly what the trend is headed towards.

00:25:50.000 And he took that to heart.

00:25:51.000 I saw him bring that up in conversations with people and he was trying to give them a heads up.

00:25:56.000 And that's what would cause a lot of this anger is he would come to them in love and say, guys, you have a huge problem coming and you need to adjust your strategy or you're going to be caught really badly off guard.

00:26:08.000 And unfortunately, I think a lot of them didn't take that advice and we're seeing his warning come to pass.

00:26:13.000 Totally.

00:26:16.000 Good conversation is about showing respect.

00:26:19.000 It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and to be heard.

00:26:24.000 Charlie knew that.

00:26:25.000 TikTok has always strived to build that kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.

00:26:35.000 When ideas meet respect, good things happen.

00:26:38.000 On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers, viewers who listen, discuss, and respond.

00:26:50.000 TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding.

00:26:55.000 You can feel it in the comments in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.

00:26:59.000 TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion and discussion helps us build something real.

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00:27:11.000 Should we take a few questions?

00:27:12.000 I could love this conversation, but I would love to.

00:27:15.000 Do we have a microphone?

00:27:17.000 Let's get a few.

00:27:18.000 And Daisy, you're going to tell me when we need to wrap her because she's got to get to. 0.79

00:27:22.000 What's that?

00:27:23.000 Oh, you did?

00:27:23.000 Yeah, we don't have too many minutes, so let's just let him get it to Megan.

00:27:27.000 All right.

00:27:28.000 Hopefully, we can get through two or three.

00:27:31.000 First question for Megan, please.

00:27:33.000 Over here.

00:27:34.000 When all your friends and people you work with are fighting with each other, and you stay out of it, but you also stand for what's right.

00:27:41.000 What is some advice that you have for a young girl to do the exact same thing?

00:27:44.000 Oh, that's sweet.

00:27:45.000 Thank you for asking that.

00:27:47.000 I mean, I think you can, and what I've tried to do from the beginning on this, I think you can show empathy for both sides and their positions.

00:27:53.000 And, you know, in the case of the Israel divide, that was kind of easy for me because I knew people on both sides.

00:28:01.000 Like Glenn Greenwald and Ben Shapiro are diametrically opposed on this issue and have been for a long time.

00:28:06.000 Both Jewish.

00:28:06.000 Both Jewish, and they both come on my show regularly for years.

00:28:09.000 So I know them very well.

00:28:12.000 And so I could listen to Glenn talk about Israel in a way that I didn't really agree with at all, but he's so smart that I, and I love him.

00:28:19.000 He would educate me.

00:28:20.000 You know, I'd learn some things about Israel.

00:28:21.000 I was like, oh, that's actually not great.

00:28:22.000 Okay, that's good to know.

00:28:24.000 And then I talked to Ben, and he'd have good defenses on these things, and we'd go back and forth.

00:28:27.000 So I think you have to make space.

00:28:29.000 I'm sorry, I hate that phrase, for both sides.

00:28:31.000 It's very hodokape. 0.93

00:28:34.000 She didn't say safe space.

00:28:35.000 No, exactly.

00:28:36.000 They're all bad.

00:28:38.000 Anyway, show some empathy.

00:28:40.000 Like actually try to listen to the friends about their grievances.

00:28:43.000 And it doesn't have to be, that's not talking about the other friends behind their back.

00:28:46.000 That's you really trying to understand what the grievances are.

00:28:49.000 And I generally am of the feeling that when you're talking to people, even if it's people you oppose ideologically or what have you, if you can give them a couple of points, you're going to advance the conversation.

00:28:59.000 They're going to like you more.

00:29:00.000 They're going to trust you more.

00:29:01.000 And you can make inroads with them better, as opposed to just being like, well, I disagree.

00:29:05.000 Well, you did the, you cheated with her boyfriend. 0.99

00:29:07.000 You're terrible. 0.95

00:29:08.000 Like, maybe it's more like, why would you do that? 0.99

00:29:11.000 Like, what was it?

00:29:13.000 What made you?

00:29:14.000 You know, like inquisitive without judgment, I think is the way to handle it.

00:29:20.000 Love.

00:29:20.000 Yeah.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, love.

00:29:21.000 Thank you.

00:29:22.000 I had a second question or a question.

00:29:26.000 So I have a friend that I go to college with.

00:29:29.000 He's been, you know, he's very involved.

00:29:31.000 He's a geopolitician, you know, but he's also a liberal.

00:29:34.000 He has been criticizing me for my support of Israel.

00:29:38.000 And he's been bringing up history lessons such as the USS Libertarian USS Liberty, I believe, attack that happened and told him, like, why are we supporting Israel?

00:29:52.000 Literally, they're trying to take out Iran, and then including with trying to control Gaza and trying to, and, you know, their attack back on Gaza after what Hamas did to Israel. 0.67

00:30:08.000 And I told him, you know, I disagreed with him, but then all of a sudden, how can I, you know, we can have civil conversation, but when it comes to trying to criticize Israel or try to like be soft on the issue, but then when it comes to Hamas, like he tries to justify, not justify it, but like be light about it.

00:30:33.000 You should go read the Hamas Charter and your argument is going to get a lot better.

00:30:36.000 Yeah.

00:30:38.000 I think you should do what we used to do in the law, which is the best way to argue your side is to prepare the other sides first.

00:30:43.000 Like go study what it is about the anti-Israel side that he's attracted to, that you think is powerful when he makes points.

00:30:53.000 Learn it, understand it, and then go back and study the pro-Israel side.

00:30:58.000 And you'll be much better equipped to have these arguments.

00:31:00.000 And maybe you'll change your mind somewhat too.

00:31:01.000 That's fine, too.

00:31:02.000 But honestly, you have to be very careful about the media on Israel because there are manipulations both ways.

00:31:07.000 It's a very heavy propaganda game here.

00:31:11.000 I trust Real Clear Politics.

00:31:13.000 I go there every morning and they'll have op-eds from both the left and the right, including on Israel.

00:31:17.000 And that's one place that won't corrupt your beautiful mind.

00:31:20.000 So maybe start there.

00:31:22.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 But he's raising a good point about the moral inconsistencies that are applied to Hamas versus Israel.

00:31:29.000 Israel is definitely held to a much higher standard, I would say, than Hamas. 0.72

00:31:34.000 And that's because, specifically on the left, because they look at the world through an oppressor-oppressed lens.

00:31:39.000 And so if they qualify you as the oppressed, then basically you can do whatever you want and you're not guilty of anything.

00:31:44.000 That's right.

00:31:46.000 Hi, Megan.

00:31:47.000 My name's Ashley, and I just want to thank you for being here.

00:31:51.000 I have a quick question.

00:31:52.000 What cultural issue do you think conservatives should be talking about more, but we just aren't?

00:31:58.000 Well, I hate to say it given what's happening this week, but pot.

00:32:01.000 Marijuana.

00:32:02.000 Amen.

00:32:03.000 I really do.

00:32:04.000 I think, like, this, I'm totally against making it more accessible.

00:32:08.000 And I understand Trump is trying to make it allegedly more accessible for people who need it for medical purposes.

00:32:15.000 But today's pot is not the pot that we were up with back in the 80s.

00:32:21.000 Though I've never tried pot.

00:32:23.000 Do you believe it?

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 Never tried a drug of any kind other than alcohol.

00:32:26.000 There we go.

00:32:27.000 We're not neither the body nor the mind.

00:32:30.000 Yeah.

00:32:30.000 Listen.

00:32:32.000 It was.

00:32:32.000 No, actually, I was in Nevada or something.

00:32:34.000 Tell us everything.

00:32:34.000 What did you do?

00:32:35.000 No, it was.

00:32:36.000 No, I was on a basketball party, one of those again.

00:32:41.000 And total paranoid.

00:32:48.000 Yeah, I hate it.

00:32:48.000 Oh, that doesn't sound good.

00:32:49.000 Oh, it was terrible.

00:32:50.000 Terrible experience.

00:32:51.000 Well, I do think marijuana is like going to, it's already posing a serious problem.

00:32:55.000 And one of the things we're seeing in these mass shootings is marijuana comes up over and over.

00:33:02.000 And it comes up, you probably haven't even heard that because it's like a footnote to the reporting.

00:33:06.000 Nobody's like giving that credence as possibly one of the factors playing in, and they should.

00:33:11.000 Just read Alex Berenson and what's in today's marijuana.

00:33:15.000 He was here today debating why he's against weed.

00:33:19.000 And actually, anytime this debate would come up, we'd bring Alex Berenson on.

00:33:22.000 He's phenomenal on this.

00:33:23.000 As always, turning point is ahead of the curve.

00:33:25.000 They're on it for you.

00:33:26.000 But yeah, that would be my answer.

00:33:27.000 Yeah, no, and by the way, even with the story with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs, assassin of Charlie, alleged, I guess, I don't know if I'm legally supposed to say that whatever.

00:33:37.000 He did it.

00:33:38.000 But the point is, you know, they were just sitting around an apartment like vaping THC just constantly.

00:33:46.000 And so you imagine the potency of it and the psych, what do you call it?

00:33:51.000 The psychosis?

00:33:52.000 Yeah, but the psychotropic effects of THC in that high a dosage is.

00:33:56.000 I mean, and if you're young and you're using a lot of pot, a lot of weed, it can really impact the rest of your life.

00:34:03.000 It can really lead to some very terrible things.

00:34:05.000 So I love that answer.

00:34:07.000 Look at those videos of that Ascension School shooter.

00:34:10.000 This is the most disturbing things I saw this year.

00:34:12.000 Oh, those are awful.

00:34:14.000 Awful.

00:34:15.000 You know, this school in Minneapolis where this shooter killed children going to their Christian school and to the church.

00:34:22.000 And he's showing all these demons in his photos.

00:34:25.000 He sees himself as a demon.

00:34:26.000 He's kind of like giggling to himself.

00:34:27.000 And in everyone, he's smoking weed.

00:34:29.000 In every video, he's smoking weed.

00:34:31.000 And it's like, no one talked about it.

00:34:33.000 Like, okay, it's supposed to be supposed to pretend it's just like half a glass of Chablis, which it's not.

00:34:39.000 I mean, I'm a complete believer that when you use hard drugs or maybe just a lot of THC, which is a hard drug, actually, when it's at those dosages, that it's a highway to hell, that it opens you up to dark forces because you lose control of the things that God gave you to control your mind and your heart and to keep bad things out.

00:34:59.000 Can I just add one other thing?

00:35:01.000 The guy who started the psychedelics clinic at Johns Hopkins University and was the godfather of psychedelics, all this, the MDNA and all the stuff that people take ketamine.

00:35:13.000 He told me in an interview we did that if there's any history of schizophrenia in your family, any, and it can go way back and we don't know, and you go in, even in a controlled setting, which he said is the only way you should ever do one of those drugs.

00:35:27.000 Some people do it for cancer, depression.

00:35:30.000 There are good reasons to try it.

00:35:33.000 You can have a psychotic break from which you never return.

00:35:38.000 You never return.

00:35:40.000 It's very dangerous what these people are playing with.

00:35:42.000 And that Lance Twiggs, like, I think that one of the reports was that he had mushrooms in there.

00:35:47.000 Black market HRT, hormone replacement therapy.

00:35:50.000 The guy was, yeah.

00:35:51.000 All of that must be looked into.

00:35:53.000 Yeah.

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:54.000 Well, this was uplifting.

00:35:58.000 Megan Kelly.

00:35:59.000 Give it up for Megan Kelly, everybody.

00:36:02.000 Thank you.

00:36:03.000 Thanks for having me.

00:36:04.000 Thank you for having me.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 22, 2025

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