The Charlie Kirk Show - Why the Church MUST Engage in the Public Square with Pastor Jurgen Matthesius

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:08.000 How should Christians vote in this election?

00:00:11.000 We've talked about this a little bit, but I dive deeper into this topic as well as should everyone go to college?

00:00:18.000 And finally, what is critical race theory?

00:00:21.000 How does it intersect with Marxism and fascism?

00:00:24.000 And is free enterprise compatible with the Christian doctrine?

00:00:28.000 This speech was given with my friend Pastor Jürgen from Awakened Church in Southern California.

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00:00:38.000 And as we are giving this episode to you right now, we are crisscrossing the country speaking from Nashville to Wisconsin to Phoenix to Miami.

00:00:46.000 We got a country to save.

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00:00:49.000 Here we go.

00:00:50.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:52.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:54.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:57.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:00.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:02.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:03.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:04.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:01:10.000 Turning point USA.

00:01:11.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:20.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:22.000 I love this church, by the way.

00:01:24.000 It's a terrific church.

00:01:24.000 I absolutely love it.

00:01:26.000 And my pastor is Pastor Rob McCoy.

00:01:30.000 And I met Rob a year and a half ago, just about, and I originally grew up in the Presbyterian tradition.

00:01:35.000 And so I completely resonate with that, right?

00:01:38.000 If you lift your index finger, that's really, you know, expository praise.

00:01:42.000 You do that on Christmas and Easter, maybe, right?

00:01:45.000 And so I was always told that Christians should stay away from politics.

00:01:50.000 And, you know, I grew up in a great Christian background, went to a big church in Chicago that really strengthened my faith, but kind of didn't give me the confidence to continue doing the political thing.

00:02:00.000 I never knew pastors would ever be involved in politics until I met Rob McCoy.

00:02:04.000 And Rob was Mayor of Thousand Oaks and also a pastor.

00:02:07.000 And we just hit it off immediately.

00:02:09.000 And we have spoken over 50 churches in the last six months, really bringing this message to awaken the church right now to what's happening in our country.

00:02:17.000 There's something in that name.

00:02:21.000 And so it's been an amazing journey.

00:02:23.000 And we really have, I think, communicated some things that need to be said to the church.

00:02:29.000 We now have record amounts of churches that are opening across the country.

00:02:33.000 Pastors that otherwise never would have commented on political issues or any sort of civic engagement are now going straight into the public square, which is exactly where the church belongs.

00:02:44.000 It's where Jesus told us as believers to go into.

00:02:48.000 And we talked twice before in the other services about ecclesia.

00:02:52.000 Please do that again.

00:02:54.000 So Jesus says, I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

00:02:58.000 But the word church, there wasn't synagogue.

00:03:00.000 No, it wasn't temple.

00:03:02.000 What was it?

00:03:02.000 We really have Tyndale to thank for this.

00:03:04.000 And so Tyndale was the great translator.

00:03:07.000 As the Protestant Reformation was bubbling up and was really starting to catch steam, there was a desire for the working people, for the peasants, to be able to read the Bible.

00:03:17.000 But the Bible was almost exclusively in Latin.

00:03:20.000 And there were a lot of, there was a big push to be able to have the peasant class to read the same sort of scripture.

00:03:28.000 And so English was the language of the peasant class.

00:03:30.000 So Tyndale said, I'm going to go back to the Koigne Greek and translate the Bible.

00:03:35.000 Now, mind you, just so you know, Tyndale was condemned and murdered and killed at the stake for translating the Bible.

00:03:41.000 And he prayed his last dying breath.

00:03:43.000 He prayed.

00:03:44.000 He said, Lord, change the heart of the king.

00:03:46.000 And that prayer was answered not too long after when King James took the work of Tyndale and created the King James Bible.

00:03:53.000 And just a couple of years after that.

00:03:56.000 And so So Tyndale, the reason they really came after him, though, was his translation of one word, ecclesia.

00:04:05.000 That was what really, really caused all the controversy because, and I have so many great friends and brothers and sisters that are Catholics, but a belief in that time was the unquestionable political hierarchy of the Catholic Church, like unquestionable.

00:04:20.000 And so this idea that Jesus used any other word except church was a no-go zone.

00:04:25.000 And he went back into the history and he said, hey, Jesus said, on this rock, build my ecclesia.

00:04:33.000 And so if you go back into what an ecclesia was, Jesus could have said, on this rock, build my synagogue.

00:04:39.000 On this rock, build my temple.

00:04:41.000 But he used ecclesia.

00:04:43.000 And so my pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy, he just really piqued my curiosity on this.

00:04:47.000 So I went into everything I could possibly read on ecclesia.

00:04:51.000 And where did this word come from?

00:04:52.000 Was it a mistake?

00:04:54.000 Because, I mean, Jesus Christ is Savior of the world.

00:04:56.000 Nothing he ever said was a mistake.

00:04:58.000 And so if he decided to use that word, there had to be significance about it.

00:05:02.000 And if Tyndale was killed over it, there's something even more that I think we're missing.

00:05:06.000 What I found really, really motivated me to speak out even more for the church to get into these things.

00:05:11.000 An ecclesia was a gathering similar to this that was in an inherent political gathering in Greece, secular Greece, where every citizen of a certain area of Corinth or Athens or any Thessalonica of Greece, they would gather.

00:05:26.000 Everyone that was a voting age, everyone that wanted to be involved, that had a duty and a responsibility to get involved in the public square.

00:05:33.000 It was so amazing.

00:05:34.000 They fasted and prayed before every meal, before every meeting, I should say, in an ecclesia, and they all voted at the end of every single ecclesia, what they were going to do in the local area.

00:05:44.000 What was so amazing is that they had two words when they gathered an ecclesia.

00:05:47.000 Remember, this is not just some sort of term that I'm inserting.

00:05:50.000 This is a word that Jesus said himself as translated in the Koigne Greek.

00:05:55.000 There are two words, isonomia and eleutheria, which is the Greek word for freedom and equality.

00:06:03.000 Now, what country has that in their charter documents?

00:06:08.000 I wonder if there's ever been a country founded on those two terms.

00:06:11.000 And so you go back to what Jesus said, and I really believe this, that Jesus was arguing for not a compartmentalized Christianity, but a comprehensive Christianity, not to wall yourself off as the church, but to be involved in all spheres, including the civic and the political arenas in our country and in the nation that you are in.

00:06:35.000 Amazing, amazing.

00:06:37.000 So the ecclesia is the gathering in the marketplace under the guise of freedom and equality to combat, to discuss, to build up, tear down all the thoughts, all the philosophies, all the ideologies in the pursuit of truth.

00:06:55.000 Does that sound right?

00:06:56.000 That's exactly right.

00:06:57.000 And what makes Christianity so fundamentally different than any other religion is that Jesus was not, he didn't just say true things.

00:07:05.000 He was truth.

00:07:06.000 He was the embodiment of truth.

00:07:08.000 And he was 100% grace and 100% truth.

00:07:11.000 And so when you have an agreed upon kind of just presupposition that truth matters and the pursuit of truth matters, and that is the predominant North Star, well, then all of a sudden, every question should be, are my actions and what we are doing a reflection of the pursuit of truth.

00:07:29.000 And when you remove truth from any sort of conversation, when you remove truth from a society, well, then the master of lies will take over.

00:07:37.000 And we know exactly what that means.

00:07:39.000 And you see this in states, you see this in governments, you see this in countries that remove God, Jesus, or truth from the public square.

00:07:48.000 And it's really been interesting.

00:07:49.000 Over the last 20 or 30 years, the church has grown a lot in California.

00:07:55.000 The church has exploded.

00:07:57.000 For example, Calvary Chapel, where Pastor Rob is a pastor of.

00:08:01.000 There's 350 Calvary Chapels south of Anyas.

00:08:04.000 There's more Calvary Chapels than Dunkin' Donuts in Southern California.

00:08:08.000 10,000% growth.

00:08:10.000 And that is not transfer growth, that's conversion growth.

00:08:14.000 Incredible explosion for the gospel.

00:08:16.000 But Calvary Chapel for a long time believed we don't do politics.

00:08:20.000 So as the church grew, what happened to California?

00:08:22.000 Since then, California has aborted more children than the entire population of Canada.

00:08:27.000 The author of Transgender Bathrooms, No Fault Divorce, and the most graphic sexual education for your children you could possibly imagine.

00:08:33.000 Leads the nation in homelessness, poverty, most unequal, hardest for the middle class to succeed, highest taxes. 0.62

00:08:40.000 As we were doing the church, the left was doing ecclesia.

00:08:43.000 Wow.

00:08:44.000 While we were building churches and expanding budgets, the left was actually doing the public square thing.

00:08:50.000 They were running for office.

00:08:51.000 They were running people for positions of leadership.

00:08:54.000 They were contributing to campaigns.

00:08:56.000 And my argument is this, is that if Jesus used that term and he wanted comprehensive, not compartmentalized Christianity, then he does care about what you're doing to impact the world outside of the walls of the church.

00:09:15.000 So when Jesus said in his very, very first sermon, I mean, you know, I'm so glad I wasn't alive back then because I would have taken him aside and, you know, copped a rebuking because I would have rebuked Jesus saying, Jesus, you just met them and you're telling him you're the salt of the earth, the light of the world.

00:09:31.000 Like, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but, you know, get to know them first.

00:09:35.000 I mean, he's a, you know, that's what I'd be doing.

00:09:37.000 But Jesus in his first sermon said, you are the salt of the earth.

00:09:41.000 Salt's a preservative.

00:09:42.000 You're the light, not of the kingdom, but the light of the world.

00:09:45.000 So how clever has the devil been to get the church to step back from injecting our salt or from bringing salt to the table, the preservative, and from shining the light.

00:09:56.000 So we've been that, you know, guilty of being that bushel hidden under a bed, you know, doing the church thing while the world's gone to hell in a handbasket.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, and I think the way that certain churches, not this church, teach Matthew 5 and Jesus is kind of like this hippie Jesus.

00:10:10.000 Like it's the birds, it's the, you know, you got the fields, and it's kind of, it's not really any sort of application towards what are we supposed to do here on this earth.

00:10:19.000 And I think it gets blended sometimes, I think, incorrectly with Eastern religions and trying to make it seem as if all this is just one sort of kind of ecumenical idea of deism.

00:10:30.000 And that's completely untrue.

00:10:31.000 Jesus called and challenged us to go out into the secular world.

00:10:36.000 And so when you make such a really good point, the enemy doesn't want the church involved in these matters.

00:10:44.000 The enemy doesn't want the church to speak out against the 61 million abortions since Roe versus Wade.

00:10:49.000 The enemy wants the church to stay silent.

00:10:51.000 Now that in California, SB 145 is law of the land, which basically decriminalizes pedophilia in this state.

00:10:58.000 This has happened right now.

00:10:59.000 While we're in a pandemic, businesses are closing.

00:11:01.000 Suicide is up.

00:11:02.000 More young people died of suicide than of the virus.

00:11:04.000 Gavin Newsom says, you know what?

00:11:06.000 I'm going to go pander to the pedophile lobby right now.

00:11:09.000 And they pass SB 145, sign in a law that does no longer requires, if a judge grants it, pedophiles to register as sex offenders in the sex registry in this state.

00:11:19.000 Sex crime registry.

00:11:22.000 The enemy would love us not to contest on that terrain. 0.52

00:11:25.000 And so there's two pockets here.

00:11:27.000 There's complacent and complicit.

00:11:29.000 And I think they must be handled a little bit differently.

00:11:32.000 The complacent churches, I think they got to be encouraged.

00:11:34.000 They got to be lifted up.

00:11:35.000 Come on in. 0.97

00:11:36.000 Get into the political space.

00:11:37.000 Get into the civic conversation.

00:11:40.000 This is the time.

00:11:41.000 You're called to do it.

00:11:42.000 Get in the ecclesia.

00:11:44.000 We're going to support you.

00:11:45.000 We're going to give you the information.

00:11:47.000 We are going to give you the wisdom.

00:11:48.000 We're going to give you the biblical backing for that political belief.

00:11:51.000 And then there is the complicit side.

00:11:53.000 And I think we should still handle it with grace and with truth, and especially with truth.

00:11:57.000 However, they in that kind of community is a hyper-focus of mine right now. 0.92

00:12:02.000 Because if you are leading a church and you're shepherding a church, which many of these in the Southern California area are, and you're mobilizing your congregation to go march alongside BLM Incorporated, we got a problem.

00:12:12.000 If all of a sudden now you're using your pastoral authority to spread lies about our nation, to misrepresent civil governance, and also play into very misleading, treacherous ideas about this incredible constitutional republic that we've been given, I'm going to cross-examine you.

00:12:32.000 And you have to be able to defend this.

00:12:33.000 And a lot of them are not, I think, equipped to be able to do it.

00:12:36.000 And what we have seen in the last six months has taught me a lot about the American church.

00:12:41.000 You've seen some churches that prioritize kind of likability and acceptance into the social sphere above all.

00:12:48.000 You see other churches like Jürgen and Pastor Rob that prioritize truth above acceptance above all. 0.87

00:13:00.000 And so I think what we're seeing right now more than anything else is that Christians are called the contest in this arena.

00:13:09.000 And a lot of these pastors, and I welcome these conversations, and I mean this as lovingly as I possibly can say it, they have no idea what they're talking about when they start to invite these very radical, very driven and motivated left-wing causes into the church.

00:13:28.000 These causes do not have the body of Christ's best intentions at heart.

00:13:33.000 These causes look at the church as nothing more than another host for a virus to take over.

00:13:39.000 And they are doing quite a job of it, where they are infecting it with critical race theory, with bad economics.

00:13:45.000 It's very interesting. 0.92

00:13:47.000 White fragility, all this nonsense.

00:13:48.000 Thomas Aquinas, who's one of the early church authors, he said reason is one of the greatest gifts that God gave human beings, the capacity to reason. 0.86

00:13:56.000 And we should never forget that because the ability to do science and math and understand thermodynamics and physics is an incredible gift that God gave us to be able to make sense of the natural world.

00:14:08.000 And when you see an airplane take off, you say, wow, I don't, only God would be able to give us the science to be able to figure out how that could be possible, right?

00:14:16.000 Where God wanted us to be able to have dominion over the natural world and the earth.

00:14:20.000 It's a very important realization.

00:14:22.000 And so you square that with there are natural laws.

00:14:27.000 Our founders knew this.

00:14:28.000 Laws of nature and nature is God.

00:14:30.000 And so we kind of sometimes, we kind of pigeonhole the natural laws with just that of physics and biology.

00:14:36.000 But there's natural laws of economics too.

00:14:39.000 There's natural laws for how we interact with supply and demand, the Pareto principle, the Matthew principle.

00:14:44.000 What happens is a lot of these pastors, they're very well versed in the gospel, but they have very little to any understanding, maybe a shallow understanding at best, of the laws of economics.

00:14:56.000 Or even at times, how the laws of human nature interact in the public and civic square.

00:15:02.000 So what's happening right now in this country, and we did not get a chance to touch on this in the previous services, so I'm glad to build this out.

00:15:08.000 And this is where the church can have its greatest contribution to this right now, which is this whole conversation that we're having is actually, who are we in the state of nature?

00:15:19.000 It all goes back down to a human nature argument.

00:15:22.000 It's actually really simple.

00:15:24.000 Are we in the state of nature broken with original sin?

00:15:29.000 Or are we perfect and it's the world around us contaminating us?

00:15:32.000 And we have an answer to that as Bible-believing Christians. 0.96

00:15:35.000 Since the fall, we are filled with sin. 0.54

00:15:37.000 We need Jesus Christ.

00:15:38.000 We need it so bad that no matter what we do, no matter how many boxes that we check, we're never going to be able to get to God unless we accept that gift that he gave us.

00:15:46.000 We know that and we have that answer.

00:15:50.000 And for everyone out there that has never been, you know, there might be new churchgoers here.

00:15:55.000 Here's the gospel in four words, three words, two words, one word.

00:15:58.000 Jesus took my place.

00:15:58.000 Four words.

00:16:00.000 Three words, him for me.

00:16:02.000 Two words.

00:16:02.000 Substitutionary atonement, one word, grace.

00:16:04.000 That's it.

00:16:05.000 4321.

00:16:06.000 It is the greatest gift that God has ever given in the history of the planet.

00:16:12.000 So we have an answer to that.

00:16:16.000 But this is a really interesting realization that we have to wrestle with.

00:16:19.000 That the radical left, they have a Rousseauian view of human nature.

00:16:23.000 So Jean-Jacques Rousseau is a French philosopher. 0.67

00:16:26.000 All bad ideas come from France. 1.00

00:16:27.000 It's one of the few things they're good at. 1.00

00:16:28.000 All of them. 1.00

00:16:31.000 Any French people here?

00:16:34.000 I don't see one French person here.

00:16:36.000 I could go further. 1.00

00:16:39.000 They invented the white flag and the tourniquet. 0.96

00:16:41.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:16:41.000 That's really mean.

00:16:48.000 We'll stop there.

00:16:48.000 No, it's okay.

00:16:49.000 So, but you go to Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida.

00:16:53.000 They've had some pretty bad ideas the last couple hundred years.

00:16:55.000 They actually had, there was one really, really good French philosopher, Montesquieu, who actually contributed to the American founding.

00:17:01.000 Besides that, not too good.

00:17:02.000 So Jean-Jacques Rousseau was a French philosopher.

00:17:06.000 And he wrestled with some of these ideas.

00:17:08.000 And I really believe that there's darkness behind these ideas.

00:17:11.000 I'm just going to stop.

00:17:12.000 I'll stop there and you can fill in the theological gaps for me.

00:17:14.000 But he believed that we should prioritize the infant over the adult, the primitive over the civilized.

00:17:21.000 That we actually, any flaws you see on the planet are because the system is incorrectly built, not that human beings are flawed because of original sin.

00:17:32.000 So therefore, if you have that as a guiding principle, well, then if you think human beings are not the problem that need to improve themselves, that need to try and make better choices or found salvation in Christ, then your entire focus will be about blaming the exterior world for any suffering that you see.

00:17:53.000 Now it's just starting to make sense for everything you're seeing, all the noise out there.

00:17:57.000 And this is where a lot of these pastors, I think, have missed their role and their contribution in this conversation, because we have a theological basis for exactly who we believe in the state of nature.

00:18:09.000 And so when you look at BLM Incorporated, the good-meaning members of that organization, they say abolish the police and abolish the prisons because they actually believe those are structures that make us worse human beings.

00:18:22.000 We believe that we as human beings are so awful to each other that as Thomas Hobbes said in the Leviathan, that life is nasty, brutish, and short, that any decency, any sort of goodness we have to each other is divinely inspired and is a moral construct that is from the Bible.

00:18:40.000 And that the reason we have police in our country is to enforce the law.

00:18:45.000 And the laws are the wise restraints that keep men free.

00:18:48.000 And so that, whether you guys realize it or not, we are having a theological debate in this country.

00:18:54.000 And it's just about time that we start participating in it.

00:19:07.000 Well, let's dig down on that.

00:19:08.000 You know, Leanne and I grew up in Australia, and we would see from Australia, and we stood in awe of the great education institutions, and especially Harvard.

00:19:22.000 You know, we used to have little jokes like, oh, sure, you went to Harvard, darling.

00:19:26.000 Do you know how someone, you know how you know someone went to Harvard?

00:19:29.000 Just wait five minutes.

00:19:29.000 Go.

00:19:30.000 They'll tell you.

00:19:37.000 But Harvard was found.

00:19:38.000 And I think Harvard is almost a horribinger of what's happened.

00:19:44.000 But it's almost like a thermostat of what's happened in America because Harvard was originally founded to be like a seminary, a theological seminary to raise up people with a Christian worldview to go and make the world a better place.

00:19:56.000 Its banner, its cry was Veritas, which is truth.

00:20:01.000 And so what we've seen is the undoing of truth.

00:20:03.000 And with the injection right now of critical race theory, I am taught that the issue is the systemic racism.

00:20:13.000 The issue is the problems out there.

00:20:17.000 It's society that's the issue.

00:20:18.000 Yesterday I was driving in the car listening to Michael Jackson and he's singing Man in the Mirror.

00:20:24.000 I'm starting with the man in the mirror.

00:20:26.000 I'm asking if he'll make a change.

00:20:29.000 It begins with the man in the mirror.

00:20:31.000 And all of our education used to be character-based, where the way that we make society better is I need to change.

00:20:38.000 But now we've got people with bankrupt character going out, burning buildings, looting.

00:20:43.000 I mean, yesterday, a beautiful black man who had a freedom rally in San Francisco got his teeth knocked out by white Black Lives Matter adherents beating a black man and they can't see it, but they feel justified because they see that he is part of the system that needs change. 0.59

00:21:02.000 There's no holding that candle and torching themselves. 0.71

00:21:05.000 Tell us, how do we combat that as the church getting back into the marketplace?

00:21:10.000 Well, and our places of higher learning are really where a lot of this stuff originates from.

00:21:14.000 And the way college used to be, and a way a lot of you still think of college, is a place where you are supposed to pursue truth.

00:21:22.000 So the academy, as Plato really was the author of the modern academy.

00:21:26.000 So Socrates taught Plato.

00:21:28.000 Plato taught Aristotle.

00:21:30.000 Aristotle taught Alexander the Great, and then it just kind of all ended.

00:21:33.000 But those are the classics, right?

00:21:35.000 And Plato disagreed with Aristotle on a lot of things.

00:21:38.000 Aristotle had the Lyceum, right?

00:21:40.000 Plato had the academy, and they had a different way of looking at the world.

00:21:43.000 They agreed on a lot, but they differentiated on a lot.

00:21:45.000 But Plato's idea of the academy is actually really compelling, which is that you try to tempt young people.

00:21:52.000 You try to just challenge them when they're around sixth or seventh grade and say, there is goodness and truth in the world.

00:21:59.000 Let's try and find it together.

00:22:02.000 You just try to say, let's go on this journey.

00:22:03.000 Let's start to read things that are really deep and rich, right?

00:22:06.000 Like, let's just explore.

00:22:09.000 And so, by the time you get to high school and eventually college, you're on this journey and you're constantly, you're just kind of teasing, right?

00:22:16.000 You're like, come on.

00:22:17.000 And as soon as they start drinking from the streams of liberty, they're going to want to find its source, which is, of course, the Bible.

00:22:23.000 And of course, it's the word of God.

00:22:24.000 Now, the problem is that when you then come from a sixth or seventh grader today in America and you say, there is no truth, all of a sudden a sixth or seventh grader will then say there's no truth.

00:22:39.000 Now, it's so funny because they say there is no truth, no absolute truth, which it's a performative contradiction.

00:22:46.000 Because, wait, do you believe that absolutely?

00:22:48.000 I mean, it's like there is no absolute truth.

00:22:50.000 Do you believe that absolutely?

00:22:51.000 It's just, it's inherently contradictory when they say it.

00:22:54.000 So, the byproduct of this is the academy in our country, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, has been taken over by postmodernist critical race theorists who, and I could dive into this at great depth at your liking.

00:23:09.000 I could go as deep as you want to go.

00:23:10.000 But really, what this is, is a group of very bitter, very arrogant, and very deceitful people that have taken over the education of your children.

00:23:20.000 And understand the Bible built Western civilization.

00:23:23.000 It is the book that built your world.

00:23:26.000 It is.

00:23:27.000 And we could go from the small things to the big things for how we view what a hero is in Western society.

00:23:34.000 So what is a hero?

00:23:36.000 And we kind of throw that word around a lot.

00:23:38.000 Well, in the Islamic or the medieval world, a hero was someone who won a bunch of battles, conquered a lot of land, maybe took a couple wives, and oversaw an earthly dominion.

00:23:48.000 The Bible changed all of that.

00:23:50.000 A hero, because of the Bible, and this is the type of a hero that is embedded in all the stories that you grew up reading, whether you realize it or not, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, all of them resonate with us.

00:24:02.000 We like those stories.

00:24:03.000 We wait in line to read the books because there's a metaphysical meta-narrative that just locks into our spirit, which is really the story of the hero of the Bible, which is what?

00:24:12.000 Which is someone that tells the truth, someone that sacrifices for the good, protects the innocent, and is willing to risk everything for ultimate truth.

00:24:23.000 That's a hero.

00:24:27.000 We need more heroes.

00:24:29.000 I can see your hero, baby.

00:24:34.000 And so that's just one small example.

00:24:38.000 Another example.

00:24:39.000 If the social Darwinists had their way, why would we ever care about blind or deaf people?

00:24:45.000 So for thousands of years, it's not as if we're the first society ever to have blind or deaf people.

00:24:49.000 There were blind people when Jesus walked the earth.

00:24:52.000 But it wasn't until Jesus went towards the blind and gave them sight, were Christians motivated to build the first academies for the blind and the deaf in year 350 in Jerusalem, 350 years after Christ. 0.61

00:25:03.000 They would take this stuff for granted, right? 0.68

00:25:05.000 But in a pure social Darwinist construct, and you remove the Christian ethic, you remove the word of God, eventually the only type of way they can reason is through social Darwinism. 0.73

00:25:15.000 That's it. 0.53

00:25:16.000 Why would we keep those people around that might not have the IQ that we like? 0.81

00:25:19.000 Why would we keep the people that can't see and can't hear? 0.99

00:25:21.000 They have no utility to us. 1.00

00:25:23.000 The type of compassion where we should go out of our way to care for those people on the side of the street, you think it's common sense.

00:25:30.000 It's not.

00:25:31.000 It's Christian Western sense, and you don't even realize it because you've been seeing, reading, and immersing yourself in material from the age of three years old where you think like it's just common sense.

00:25:42.000 It's not. 0.84

00:25:42.000 Go to countries that have not been built by the Western ethic. 0.84

00:25:46.000 India would be a great example. 0.99

00:25:48.000 They do the opposite.

00:25:50.000 They think that if you try to break out of your certain caste system, that is bad.

00:25:54.000 You walk in the streets of Calcutta, New Delhi, or Hyderabad.

00:25:58.000 There is not the belief that they're all made in the image of God, that they all have dignity.

00:26:02.000 Instead, there is a hierarchy of value.

00:26:05.000 And so what we in the Western world have convinced ourselves of wrongly is that all the things we take for granted, the protection of the innocent, the right to due process, the idea of charity, benevolency, and generosity, it's actually a very short window that we're living through.

00:26:25.000 Most of humanity lived through a window where people did not have the sort of prerequisite that you're made in the image of God, that you deserve value.

00:26:36.000 And so you lose that.

00:26:38.000 You lose Western civilization.

00:26:39.000 What's going to take that?

00:26:40.000 What's going to take the place of that?

00:26:42.000 And so I think it's very important that we get deeper into the roots of this.

00:26:45.000 And the problem, all this is becoming unraveling.

00:26:48.000 And it's really been stunning to me that this stuff was not challenged earlier, postmodernism and critical race theory. 0.96

00:26:53.000 It's the deeper I dive into it, the foolishness, the trash that is really within it. 0.92

00:26:58.000 It's almost so provocative. 0.99

00:27:01.000 It's so unbelievably wrong that people are afraid to question it because then they think they're dumb because they're missing it. 1.00

00:27:09.000 Like, no, no, you're actually really wise if you think this is total trash because it's absolute garbage. 0.99

00:27:16.000 Because you kind of look at this stuff and you're like, am I missing something or am I kind of dumb? 0.98

00:27:20.000 Like, no, no, no, no, you're, you're spot on.

00:27:22.000 Where they believe in critical race theory that race matters, that the melon in your skin should really be an important part of your life, that dialogue is not important, that there's no such thing as individuals, that we're nothing more than a tribal group.

00:27:36.000 And so you kind of piece all this together.

00:27:39.000 And I'm a harsh critic of the academy and of higher education.

00:27:42.000 And we should be because higher education is not doing what any, a lot of people believe it's actually doing.

00:27:48.000 I would imagine that this gathering has a heightened sense and awareness of what's happening where they're really platforming and validating the most sinister ideas imaginable and they're teaching it to your children.

00:28:01.000 And even worse, yeah, you're paying for it.

00:28:03.000 And even worse, a lot of families are going into debt for it, where they're borrowing money they don't have to study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist.

00:28:16.000 And the question should be, has college proven over the last 20 years to create braver and wiser people?

00:28:26.000 So any decent society should want to create brave and wise young people.

00:28:31.000 Think about that.

00:28:32.000 Wisdom, there's a whole book dedicated to it.

00:28:35.000 And you can get wisdom in a couple ways, only a couple.

00:28:39.000 You can get it by reading the Bible and the great works or by a long life of experience through a lot of tribulations.

00:28:45.000 So a 22-year-old is not going to have the life experience.

00:28:47.000 So you're basically given one last option.

00:28:50.000 Read a bunch of the good books and try to immerse yourself in it.

00:28:53.000 And college has not done the greatest disservice, I think, of all the problems of college is that it creates weaker people four years after they enter.

00:29:04.000 And so college should be about strengthening your muscles metaphorically.

00:29:10.000 It should be about better preparing you to be able to endure the inevitable suffering of life, to be able to have the capacity to get through what will be incredibly difficult and so harsh.

00:29:25.000 And the exact opposite has happened.

00:29:27.000 Instead, college creates people that are experts in complaining, where they are able to organize and be activists about everything that is wrong going on in the country.

00:29:39.000 And you said it best.

00:29:41.000 The academy should come from this guiding principle. 1.00

00:29:46.000 You are a sinner.

00:29:47.000 You are not all that you can be. 1.00

00:29:49.000 And maybe if you read the right books and you do your job, you might become a slightly better person after you graduate.

00:29:55.000 Instead, it's you're actually awesome and everything else around you is terrible.

00:30:01.000 Let's read the books that can motivate you to tear everything down around you.

00:30:07.000 Wow, that's amazing.

00:30:08.000 You know, in the last session, you talked about, and I can't remember which philosopher it was, that said there's a spirit, there's a drive for those who yearn for authority to burn everything so they can rule over the ashes.

00:30:25.000 Sun Tzu was a great Confucian philosopher in the Eastern tradition, Chinese. 0.91

00:30:30.000 Art of War. 1.00

00:30:31.000 Art of War.

00:30:32.000 I think he best articulates the disintegrationist left in our country, which is that some people are willing to burn the country down around them to rule over the ashes.

00:30:43.000 And I think that's exactly what's happening now.

00:30:46.000 And we're seeing that today.

00:30:47.000 It's interesting.

00:30:47.000 Let me pick up on.

00:30:48.000 You said the battle that we're dealing with right now really is a theological battle. 0.99

00:30:54.000 Exactly right.

00:30:54.000 And it goes all the way back to Genesis 3.

00:30:56.000 Has God really said?

00:30:58.000 And we're still living in the echo chamber of has God really said what God says and then the deceit and the lies of the devil.

00:31:06.000 So as a church, you know, if we have, you know, ministry to the homeless, we have orphanages in Mexico.

00:31:13.000 We've adopted an entire village in Peru.

00:31:16.000 We do outreach.

00:31:17.000 We build a hospital in Ghana.

00:31:19.000 We've got ministries to, you know, rehabilitating people who are on alcohol addiction.

00:31:25.000 But really, we should stay out of the political because isn't it controversial?

00:31:30.000 Yeah, geez.

00:31:34.000 I get this question a lot as if it's the only point of controversy in the planet that, and again, I don't believe in compartmentalized Christianity.

00:31:41.000 I believe in comprehensive Christianity.

00:31:43.000 And also, there's going to be 61 million people, maybe more, hopefully more, that cast their vote for Donald Trump.

00:31:48.000 What is the church doing?

00:31:55.000 Now, what is the church doing, though, to reach out to minister, to shepherd the people that are willing to cast their vote around the guiding principles of freedom and equality to bring them into the church?

00:32:08.000 So we go into prisons, we go into foreign countries, we try to bring marriages together, but wouldn't a pretty easy opportunity be to communicate in the public square, in the civic arena?

00:32:18.000 Because you guys understand not every person that votes Republican is a Christian.

00:32:22.000 I know that's a hard thing for some.

00:32:24.000 No, seriously.

00:32:25.000 What an amazing ministry opportunity.

00:32:28.000 Because they already believe in freedom.

00:32:30.000 They already love the country.

00:32:32.000 They already love liberty.

00:32:33.000 Liberty is not man's idea.

00:32:35.000 It's God's idea.

00:32:36.000 And so I will make the argument that the church has missed the greatest evangelist opportunity over the last 30 years by not contesting in political circles.

00:32:47.000 When I go to political gatherings and some of our secular, a lot of people are secular there.

00:32:53.000 And yet they're drinking from the streams of liberty and they want to dive deeper and they want to find it.

00:32:57.000 And yet their idea of religion or Christianity is sometimes misaligned with the truth.

00:33:03.000 And yet we're quick to go into the prisons.

00:33:04.000 We're quick to go.

00:33:05.000 And I love all that.

00:33:06.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:33:07.000 But are you guys quick to go to the Republican gatherings and minister to those people?

00:33:11.000 Are you guys quick to go to the local GOP meetings or to the conservative conference down the street where maybe half are not yet Bible-believing Christians?

00:33:18.000 And you just kind of turn to someone and say, hey, you love freedom.

00:33:20.000 I love freedom.

00:33:22.000 Whose idea is freedom?

00:33:23.000 John Locke.

00:33:24.000 Let's go back a little bit.

00:33:26.000 You guys already have a platform philosophical foundation there.

00:33:30.000 And it is the church will have its greatest awakening ever if you get into the public square.

00:33:37.000 Ever.

00:33:42.000 Charlie, you were saying that, you know, like as a church with our ministry to marriage, people are coming in looking for answers, looking for light, looking for truth with marriage, looking for clarity.

00:33:57.000 Talk about that.

00:33:57.000 Like the church has kind of failed because we stepped away from one of the most confusing, which party do I vote for?

00:34:07.000 Yeah, and just the Bible is the greatest book ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:34:11.000 It's so obvious.

00:34:12.000 And it has answers to everything, including answers to how we should govern ourselves.

00:34:17.000 And for the church not to at least give sermons or teachings on what the Bible says about civil governance, I think is a complete and total injustice.

00:34:29.000 And so the Bible has very clear teachings on is private property okay or not, has very clear teachings on life, has very clear teachings on even immigration, has very clear teachings on all of it.

00:34:42.000 And so if we do believe in the inerrancy of scripture, if we do believe it is divinely inspired, if we do believe it is the word of God, wouldn't it make sense to try to use that book correctly to apply it to a confused and broken conversation around civil governance?

00:35:00.000 And so it seems so logical as someone who's in politics, who's a Christian, who comes to churches, but you'd be amazed at how many churches refuse to do it.

00:35:10.000 It's the no-go zone.

00:35:11.000 And it's incredible because these churches will do altar calls saying that if you do not give your life to Christ, you will burn in eternal damnation.

00:35:18.000 They will say really good teaching on marriage and on fidelity and on purity and on finances.

00:35:25.000 Yet the one no-fly zone is go vote how to vote and what to do.

00:35:30.000 And here's where I think it actually has a very serious consequence.

00:35:34.000 In the hyper-political times that we live in, when you're inundated on social media, all your friends are talking about it, there's a yard sign on every block, you're getting doors knocked on.

00:35:43.000 New Christians, and even Christians that have been around the church for 30 years, they want clarity on that.

00:35:48.000 They want it out of their pastors.

00:35:50.000 And they might not necessarily agree with the political conclusion, but there's no way they can disagree with the scripture that guides them to that conclusion.

00:36:00.000 And so if you just stay away from it altogether, here's the real consequence: is that people will have lost complete and total respect for the church.

00:36:09.000 And I see this all the time.

00:36:10.000 Where I deal in the secular world more than I deal in the Christian world.

00:36:14.000 We have brought hundreds of people to Christ through the Galatians 3 model: that the law is a school teacher or a guardian to Christ.

00:36:21.000 You teach the law, it will get them to Christ.

00:36:23.000 As they start drinking out of those streams of liberty, they're going to climb upstream and eventually they're going to find Jesus Christ.

00:36:29.000 And yet, the church has done it the opposite.

00:36:32.000 The church has said, Let's just start with nothing but the gospel.

00:36:35.000 I love it, it's terrific.

00:36:37.000 But what about the people that have been burned in one way or the other?

00:36:40.000 They had a tough upbringing and some sort of maybe Catholic upbringing.

00:36:44.000 Maybe that they had someone in their life that was not representing the gospel correctly.

00:36:47.000 And they've just been jarred.

00:36:49.000 And they're still drinking from that stream of liberty, but they really want to dive deeper.

00:36:53.000 And so here's the opportunity and yet the challenge for the church: Are you willing to be called bad names and be persecuted and still stand for truth in today's time?

00:37:02.000 And this is a real testing moment because what I have found is that Christianity has been incredibly comfortable in America the last 40 years.

00:37:12.000 And that has not been the historical trajectory of Christianity.

00:37:16.000 Is that Christianity has always been one that's been persecuted, has always been one that has been challenged.

00:37:21.000 But kind of as Christianity became the dominant religion in America, as Christianity became one where it was okay, it was cool to wear the cross, where it was not, there was really not that much backlash or pushback, as you became comfortable after one decade and two decades, they didn't want to lose that comfort.

00:37:36.000 And a good way to lose that comfort is, yeah, taking a stance and you say, 61 million abortions, I don't know if I stand for that.

00:37:43.000 And so that's the question for the church right now.

00:37:45.000 And here's the amazing thing: and you're living an example of this, Jürgen.

00:37:48.000 When you do stand, when you do articulate, your church will actually grow.

00:37:54.000 That's what these pastors don't realize is that when you lean in on these issues, your membership will increase because people are searching for answers comprehensively right now, not just on this one small set of topics or issues, especially with the over-inundation of lies that exist in our country right now.

00:38:17.000 Well, let me just, you know, speak on that.

00:38:19.000 So, you know, Leanne and I took a stand very, very early because we, you know, we felt very, very strongly that this nation that God sent us to, that in the book of Jeremiah, God said, seek the peace of the nation that I'm sending you to, which was Babylon, because in her peace, you'll find peace.

00:38:41.000 And so we adopted America as our home.

00:38:44.000 So we know that if there's no peace in America, there's no peace in our home, that we have a civic duty.

00:38:48.000 So, you know, we got engaged very, very early in politics and immediately, immediately felt the backlash.

00:38:55.000 What was interesting is that we were pretty much ostracized.

00:38:59.000 We were pretty much told either, you know, shut up or you'll have to depart.

00:39:05.000 And so we had to depart from years of relationship and connection in a movement for that because they said, we want to be apolitical. 0.65

00:39:15.000 But no sooner had we handed in our resignation that they erased all memory of us, but replaced it with Black Lives Matter squares. 0.55

00:39:26.000 And I thought, isn't that interesting? 0.52

00:39:27.000 They don't even see their own hypocrisy.

00:39:29.000 But it's very simple to be Black Lives Matter because it's an echo chamber of the culture. 0.85

00:39:35.000 And I always find it's a very, very dangerous place if the church is no different to the world. 0.88

00:39:41.000 Why would people come into the church if we are just an echo chamber of the world?

00:39:46.000 And, you know, unfortunately, you've seen this as well, where pastors have elevated. their social media, their likes, their maybe their congregation size above truth, being persecuted for truth.

00:40:03.000 So we're coming into another election and the false prophets, fake news, the media are screaming orange man bad, orange man bad.

00:40:16.000 That's all they got.

00:40:17.000 That's all they got.

00:40:19.000 But would you help us to unpack?

00:40:21.000 Because I'm sure there are people here who are skeptical about Donald Trump.

00:40:24.000 That's fine.

00:40:24.000 And I'll start with the persecution side of it, though, which I really have very little tolerance for this, though.

00:40:29.000 As someone who's in the conservative realm, who's had plenty of death threats, getting the FBI involved, parents' house, you know, targeted, can't go on a college campus without nine armed security, every single person possibly coming after you.

00:40:44.000 And these pastors are worried about like a couple social media comments.

00:40:46.000 Pastor Robu has to go in front of a judge because he opens our church.

00:40:50.000 I'm like, I'm going to say this as lovingly as I can. 1.00

00:40:52.000 You're a coward. 1.00

00:40:53.000 Like you're just a coward. 1.00

00:40:55.000 Like, I don't know what to tell you. 0.94

00:41:01.000 I mean, and I'm not, and I'm not trying to say that I'm a better person because of it, but those of us in the political world, there's backlash persecution, canceling, deplatforming all the time.

00:41:14.000 Just talk to these college conservatives.

00:41:16.000 And I'd love to have these pastors that put a preference towards likability and acceptance.

00:41:21.000 Go talk to a college conservative right now.

00:41:23.000 Go talk to how hard it is to wear the MAGA hat on a college campus.

00:41:26.000 Go talk to the price they have to pay if they dare question a professor.

00:41:30.000 I'm like, you're worried about a couple bad Instagram comments because you want to stand for truth.

00:41:35.000 Wow, man, I just, I don't see that at all.

00:41:37.000 The second thing about President Trump.

00:41:39.000 Can I just jump in?

00:41:41.000 Can you imagine?

00:41:42.000 Should I be more clear?

00:41:43.000 No, no, no, no.

00:41:43.000 Just no, no.

00:41:44.000 Can you imagine, though, just on just on that?

00:41:46.000 Just I just had a thought.

00:41:47.000 Can you imagine, right, eternity, heaven, right?

00:41:49.000 We're all standing there and we're all waiting, you know, for our moment before God and the throne.

00:41:54.000 And just in front of you is William Tyndale, who was burnt at the stake.

00:41:59.000 And then you're the guy who backed up from truth because, oh, you were burnt at the stake?

00:42:04.000 Yeah.

00:42:04.000 I got a couple of unfollows.

00:42:09.000 And for eternity, you're going to be walking around as you're deliver.

00:42:15.000 I mean, I don't want to be that guy.

00:42:16.000 Anyway, sorry, sorry, go on.

00:42:17.000 But keep going.

00:42:18.000 Keep going.

00:42:21.000 Okay, cool.

00:42:23.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:42:24.000 And so, by the way, I believe it says that persecution is guaranteed of us.

00:42:31.000 It's a promise.

00:42:32.000 And so.

00:42:32.000 You will be hated by all nations for my namesake.

00:42:36.000 Amen. 0.56

00:42:36.000 What they did to me, they will do to you. 0.56

00:42:38.000 They will drag you before governors, before emperors, killing you, they think will be doing a service. 0.99

00:42:43.000 That's exactly right.

00:42:44.000 So you asked about the election.

00:42:46.000 And there might be some people that are apprehensive of President Trump.

00:42:49.000 And I'd love to clarify that.

00:42:51.000 So, look, I've had a chance to get to know him.

00:42:53.000 I wrote a whole book about his presidency and what he stands for and why he's doing what he is doing.

00:42:57.000 Let's take it first, just from a Christian perspective.

00:43:00.000 And we mentioned this in the previous service.

00:43:02.000 However, let's just talk about Samson in the Bible.

00:43:05.000 Samson's in the hall of faith in Hebrews.

00:43:09.000 We cannot talk or read the story of Samson if there were eight-year-olds in the room here.

00:43:15.000 God came to Samson when he was in the bed with a prostitute twice. 0.71

00:43:20.000 God used him to fight a fight that God's chosen people are unwilling to fight. 0.92

00:43:26.000 Took a jaw of a donkey and killed a thousand Philistines and died a sacrificial death for the pursuit of the good. 0.85

00:43:31.000 Now, God was working in that man's life.

00:43:33.000 And I could use many other examples, King David being another one. 0.82

00:43:37.000 And it's very perplexing to me, the moral pietism that suddenly goes across the church, where it's all of a sudden they've become the moral referee of American politics.

00:43:47.000 Like now, you're starting to call balls and strikes of who is worthy of serving in the highest office of the land.

00:43:53.000 And I say to myself, Does it bother you that there's been 61 million abortions since Roe versus White?

00:43:59.000 They say, Yeah, I say, who's actually done something about it?

00:44:01.000 Who's put justices on the Supreme Court like Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh and Gorsuch to actually contest against abortion?

00:44:10.000 I say, we as Christians are called to bless the land of Israel.

00:44:14.000 Paul said to bless the Jews.

00:44:17.000 So who's been the most pro-Israel president in American history? 0.56

00:44:20.000 So I think we would all agree, and I don't mean this as a way to be overly harsh towards the man, but it's intentionally, it touches Christians on a very personal level.

00:44:28.000 We all think George W. Bush is a nice, decent guy and a Christian.

00:44:32.000 I don't think anyone in here would say that, I don't like his moral decisions.

00:44:36.000 Okay, then why couldn't he find the courage to move the embassy to Jerusalem?

00:44:40.000 Why didn't he give the Golan Heights back to Israel?

00:44:43.000 Why didn't George W. Bush ever speak at the March for Life?

00:44:46.000 You'd probably have George W. Bush, you know, babysit your grandkids.

00:44:49.000 You'd probably have George W. Bush sit on an elder board at a church.

00:44:52.000 But George W. Bush, for whatever reason, had nowhere near the courage that Donald Trump has had for what we as Christians care about here in this country.

00:45:08.000 And make no mistake, these are tough fights.

00:45:12.000 Donald Trump could have done a hall pass on the March for Life.

00:45:15.000 He was the first president ever to speak at the March for Life.

00:45:17.000 This is a guy that used to donate the Planned Parenthood.

00:45:20.000 Like, it's a guy that used to call himself a Hillary Clinton Democrat.

00:45:24.000 And yet he's the one that goes out of his way to go speak at the March for Life to say that I knew you before you were in the womb, that you're made in the image of God.

00:45:32.000 He takes the motorcade literally over to the March for Life and does that.

00:45:36.000 George W. Bush never did that.

00:45:37.000 Ronald Reagan never did that.

00:45:38.000 H.W. Bush never did that.

00:45:40.000 So there's a, why did he do that?

00:45:43.000 Why did he move the embassy to Jerusalem?

00:45:46.000 Because there's a weird thing he does.

00:45:48.000 And it really confuses people.

00:45:52.000 He does what he says he's going to do.

00:45:53.000 I know it's like really weird.

00:46:03.000 And let me just say this.

00:46:05.000 Let me say this.

00:46:06.000 Sorry, really quickly.

00:46:07.000 The currency of politicians is promises made.

00:46:11.000 The currency of a businessman is results, promises kept.

00:46:18.000 The currency of a politician, promises made.

00:46:21.000 Currency of a business person.

00:46:23.000 A business person doesn't exist if they make promises but don't deliver.

00:46:26.000 But keep going.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, keep going.

00:46:28.000 And so this is one of the reasons why he's such a disruption on the landscape: is that a Supreme Court vacancy happens.

00:46:36.000 He actually just looks at the list that he made.

00:46:38.000 He's like, no, actually, I made a list and we're going to pick from that list.

00:46:40.000 And that's exactly what he did.

00:46:41.000 When the fight to open, to fight to move the embassy to Jerusalem, by the way, it was voted on 98-0 by the U.S. Senate.

00:46:48.000 We all believe that Jerusalem is the rightful capital of Israel.

00:46:51.000 Jesus Christ walked in the streets of Jerusalem.

00:46:53.000 Jesus Christ was killed in the streets of Jerusalem and he rose again from the dead there. 0.86

00:46:57.000 Pretty important place for Christians, right?

00:46:59.000 And the sovereignty of Israel helps in a variety of different ways, not just geopolitically, but also as Christians, archaeologically, to be able to continue to prove the veracity and the truth of the Bible.

00:47:10.000 So here's Donald Trump, who made the promise.

00:47:13.000 Guess who else promised to move the embassy?

00:47:15.000 George W. Bush.

00:47:16.000 Why did Trump do it?

00:47:17.000 Because he said to himself, man, I would never be able to look my constituents in the eye when I made a promise and I didn't deliver it.

00:47:27.000 Think back.

00:47:28.000 All the Arab nations says that they were going to declare an intifada against him, which is a death threat. 1.00

00:47:34.000 We're going to blow up the entire region.

00:47:36.000 And the president says, we're going to move it.

00:47:38.000 And he did.

00:47:39.000 And here's the interesting thing.

00:47:40.000 What's happened since? 0.97

00:47:41.000 Everyone talks a big game in the Middle East, right?

00:47:43.000 George W. Bush kind of made a mess of things, if we're honest.

00:47:46.000 Barack Obama made a bigger mess of things by withdrawing.

00:47:49.000 President Donald Trump, in a thing that every person, whether you hate Trump or you love Trump, the fact that this has not been front page news is unbelievable.

00:47:57.000 That he got the Emiratis and the Israelis to a peace deal is unbelievable.

00:48:03.000 Unbelievable.

00:48:07.000 And sure, he goes about it in an unconventional way.

00:48:12.000 And I could go chapter and verse how he has restored American sovereignty, how he has defended religious liberty.

00:48:19.000 200 federal judges put into place by President Donald Trump since he's been sworn into office in four years and about to be a third by Amy Coney Barrett.

00:48:27.000 It's been really interesting to see the church because I saw a lot of the popular celebrity pastor people on Instagram.

00:48:34.000 And they were black tiles, BLM, we're a racist country, all this sort of stuff.

00:48:38.000 And I messaged them and they said, oh, don't worry, we're still on you with life. 0.54

00:48:42.000 I said, okay, the next time that life becomes a top-tier issue in our country, I'm going to make sure I see just as many tiles.

00:48:42.000 Like we're still pro-life.

00:48:50.000 And by the way, if they really believed that Black Lives Matter, they'd be outside of Planned Parenthood every single weekend protesting against abortion in our country.

00:49:00.000 Let's just be honest.

00:49:02.000 So a lot of these pastors, and I messaged a lot of them. 0.99

00:49:08.000 I said, hey, Amy Coney Barrett's up for the Supreme Court seat.

00:49:11.000 Are you guys mobilizing your congregations?

00:49:13.000 Are you guys speaking out?

00:49:14.000 Are you guys calling senators?

00:49:16.000 Because you guys just marched in the streets of Santa Ana and San Diego and LA with BLM signs bringing your kids alongside because you wrongly believe that we're a systemically racist country, which is a bitter lie.

00:49:28.000 But you told me privately, you're going to be with us when we need you.

00:49:31.000 We need you right now.

00:49:32.000 We need you to help conform.

00:49:33.000 Amy Coney Barrett's silence, no return, left unread.

00:49:37.000 And it really was telling to me.

00:49:40.000 And because now for the first time in anyone here, no matter how old you are, you have a chance to repeal the unconstitutional immoral decision of Roe versus Wade.

00:49:54.000 What president gave you that opportunity?

00:50:11.000 Jesus taught Matthew 25, where he separates the sheep from the goats.

00:50:16.000 And it's interesting, and this is very, very sobering.

00:50:19.000 He says, and then I will separate from my kingdom, the sheep from the goats.

00:50:25.000 The goats on my left, he says, I was hungry, you didn't feed me.

00:50:29.000 I was in prison, you didn't visit me.

00:50:31.000 I was naked and you didn't clothe me.

00:50:33.000 When, when, well, what?

00:50:36.000 You?

00:50:37.000 No, we wouldn't even.

00:50:38.000 What you didn't do for the least of these, you did not do unto me.

00:50:43.000 And I would just say, be very, very, you don't get any more least than being classified unscientifically, non-biologically, as just a mere cluster of cells.

00:51:00.000 The party that fights to murder the least of these, do you really think, yeah, they're the ones I'm going to trust with my health care?

00:51:11.000 They're the ones I'm going to trust with my future.

00:51:14.000 Like, really?

00:51:15.000 They're the ones?

00:51:17.000 So just rounding third coming, sliding into home, because I know that you've got to get on a plane from here.

00:51:29.000 This is probably one of the most important elections of our lifetime.

00:51:37.000 And the Bible teaches us to look beyond personality, to look at fruit.

00:51:44.000 So we keep hearing that, you know, Donald Trump is this divisive president, and yet he can bring nations divided, the Emirates and Israel, bring them together at a table.

00:51:54.000 He's been nominated now for three Nobel Peace Prizes.

00:51:58.000 Is it four?

00:52:00.000 Four now.

00:52:00.000 Golly gee.

00:52:01.000 So I can't even keep up. 0.92

00:52:03.000 So for somebody who is a divisive racist, it's unbelievable.

00:52:09.000 Would you just kind of give us a closing hurrah on the Donald Trump that you know that you wrote about in MAGA Doctrine?

00:52:16.000 Incredible book, by the way.

00:52:18.000 So not all elections are created equal.

00:52:21.000 Not every election means the same as one prior.

00:52:24.000 So the 2016 election, kind of the ethos of it or the character or the theme was really, do our systems still work?

00:52:32.000 It was kind of a stress test of can you challenge multi-generational political dynasties?

00:52:40.000 That's what 2016 was all about.

00:52:42.000 Like, can the ruling class be disrupted?

00:52:46.000 And the answer was yes, amazingly, because Trump didn't just beat Hillary Clinton.

00:52:50.000 He beat the tech companies.

00:52:52.000 He beat Hollywood.

00:52:52.000 He also beat the Bush dynasty.

00:52:54.000 He beat it all.

00:52:56.000 And so then he wins, right?

00:53:00.000 And they then sought to punish him for this.

00:53:04.000 How dare you challenge us, ye citizen?

00:53:08.000 They spied on him, launched a coup against him, the fake Mueller hoax, everything they accused him of, they were actually doing.

00:53:15.000 It's now come to light that Hillary Clinton was the one that actually started the Russia narrative, completely baseless, a year and a half of investigations, full vindication, totally tearing apart his administration.

00:53:27.000 Then they impeach him for something unrelated and different, saying that he was doing something with Ukraine, when again, it was actually the Biden family that was doing something with Ukraine.

00:53:39.000 They march in the streets.

00:53:41.000 China sends an epidemiological Pearl Harbor against us.

00:53:44.000 200,000 Americans die. 0.58

00:53:46.000 We shut down our country.

00:53:48.000 100,000 small businesses go under.

00:53:50.000 We lose more young people under 30 to suicide than to the virus. 0.68

00:53:53.000 The lockdowns will go down as the dumbest decision made in the history of our country.

00:54:06.000 There is no correlation whatsoever to any country that shut down their country versus those that didn't with hospitalization or death rates.

00:54:14.000 All it does is stall the inevitable.

00:54:17.000 That's all it does.

00:54:18.000 It is a retreat to safetyism, not towards wisdom or bravery.

00:54:22.000 Yet despite all of that, President Donald Trump's at striking distance to get re-elected.

00:54:28.000 It's actually incomprehensible because any other person would have shattered under that, under one of those things that they threw at him.

00:54:34.000 So the 2020 election is about this.

00:54:37.000 It's different than 16.

00:54:38.000 16 was like, does the system actually work?

00:54:40.000 Does this, you know, we're going to dust off the old gears on this whole democracy thing, right?

00:54:45.000 Now that we know that, the question now in 2020 is, who's in charge?

00:54:51.000 That's the real question. 0.97

00:54:52.000 Because this year, if there's been one thing that kind of unifies 2020, it's we've been bossed around by fools all year. 0.97

00:55:02.000 That's 2020. 1.00

00:55:12.000 We have been told that if you leave your home, you're an awful person.

00:55:19.000 Told that church is not essential, but oh, don't worry, BLM can march in the streets.

00:55:23.000 Yesterday, they had 200,000 people at the Woman's March in Washington, D.C.

00:55:26.000 No social distancing, no masks.

00:55:28.000 Right up against each other.

00:55:29.000 Yet down the street, a church is not allowed, 25 or more people in there.

00:55:32.000 Cannabis dispensaries never closed in this state, yet the local bakeries went completely under, and those jobs will never come back.

00:55:40.000 Liquor stores, home improvement stores.

00:55:41.000 We all saw the injustice that was brewing there.

00:55:44.000 We now see the tech companies that want to rule our whole country to make you stop from consuming information.

00:55:49.000 And so the 2020 election is not even about Trump and Biden.

00:55:52.000 It really isn't.

00:55:54.000 It's against who's in charge.

00:55:55.000 It's really about who's in charge.

00:55:56.000 I'll tell you what.

00:55:57.000 If Biden wins, I'll tell you who's in charge.

00:56:00.000 It's not the people.

00:56:01.000 It'll be Peter Strzok.

00:56:04.000 It's not God-centered government.

00:56:05.000 It'll be Google.

00:56:08.000 So the question in 2020 is: are we still the sovereign in this country?

00:56:15.000 And we've never had an election like that since 1860.

00:56:18.000 We haven't.

00:56:19.000 There's been important elections, high stakes, all these sorts of things.

00:56:22.000 But this is an election where I do think if we lose, we can recover.

00:56:26.000 But there will be some changes that I don't know if we'll ever get back, where it might be a deterioration where they wish to remove the first three words of the Constitution, we the people.

00:56:36.000 I get this all the time.

00:56:37.000 I get people asking me all the time.

00:56:38.000 They say, Charlie, what are we supposed to do?

00:56:41.000 They control the universities.

00:56:42.000 They control Hollywood. 0.91

00:56:44.000 They control the corporations.

00:56:45.000 They're controlling a lot of our churches.

00:56:47.000 They control everything.

00:56:48.000 I say, that's all true.

00:56:49.000 I say, but there's one thing that they haven't been able to figure out yet that bothers them.

00:56:54.000 It obsesses them.

00:56:55.000 They mention it all the time.

00:56:56.000 And that's why they use words like deplorable and all this.

00:57:00.000 The one thing they have not yet been able to control.

00:57:02.000 The one thing they have not been able to dominate is you, is the people.

00:57:08.000 That is the one thing they have not been able to do.

00:57:29.000 And so we have an opportunity to send one of the clearest messages in the history of our country.

00:57:34.000 You might say, I'm in California and I like Trump, but it doesn't matter.

00:57:37.000 You're four hours from a battleground state.

00:57:39.000 Drive to Arizona for a weekend and knock on a thousand doors.

00:57:41.000 They need your help.

00:57:43.000 It doesn't matter.

00:57:43.000 I live in California.

00:57:44.000 You know, you can call any state at any time through the Trump Victory Calling Database.

00:57:48.000 You guys should all be having organic neighborhood calling sessions calling voters in Pennsylvania.

00:57:53.000 You could call anyone at any time.

00:57:54.000 The technology at our hands, you guys could be doing swing voting outreach everywhere.

00:57:58.000 Do not allow the lie that, oh, I live in California.

00:58:01.000 You know, I can't do this.

00:58:04.000 By the way, no state should ever be forgotten.

00:58:06.000 Let me give you a little piece of optimism right now.

00:58:11.000 You guys need a little optimism, right?

00:58:16.000 Ronald Reagan won one of the greatest landslides in American history in 1984.

00:58:21.000 He lost two states.

00:58:23.000 Well, one state, one territory, District of Columbia and Minnesota.

00:58:26.000 Minnesota was always labeled as the most liberal state in the country.

00:58:30.000 Democrat Farmer Labor Union, left of Karl Marx, you know, Northern Mao territory, whatever you want to call it, you got it.

00:58:38.000 Samuel, right?

00:58:39.000 That's where he's drawing.

00:58:40.000 It's true.

00:58:41.000 You know it's true, Samuel.

00:58:45.000 It was uncharted territory, Republicans not allowed. 0.99

00:58:49.000 Never would people ever think.

00:58:50.000 At the time, California was Republican.

00:58:53.000 At the time, California was an R plus 25 state.

00:58:56.000 Orange County, one of the most conservative counties in the entire country, right?

00:59:00.000 So we now know what happened there, but what's happening to Minnesota?

00:59:04.000 All of a sudden, we're starting to see Republicans on the march where Donald Trump could win Minnesota, where all of a sudden Republicans are winning state and local races.

00:59:11.000 Here's the lie that we fall into, and you've got to break free of it.

00:59:14.000 That what is happening today is going to happen tomorrow.

00:59:16.000 Stop thinking monolithically.

00:59:18.000 Start thinking of what the outcome you want and start working towards it because it can be done.

00:59:27.000 If you guys want to help get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com, tpusa.com, email us, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com, and please consider supporting us at charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:59:40.000 Have a great Sunday, everybody.

00:59:41.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:59:43.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 27, 2020

Why the Church MUST Engage in the Public Square with Pastor Jurgen Matthesius

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