The Charlie Kirk Show - Why the Right Loses Young Women, with Isabel Brown

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00:00:01.000 Isabelle Brown joins us for a full hour. 1.00

00:00:03.000 Why is the right losing young women? 0.99

00:00:07.000 Should we prioritize feelings over facts? 0.98

00:00:10.000 The birth control pill.

00:00:12.000 If you are on the pill, your daughter is on the pill, or your granddaughter's on the pill, you should listen to what Isabel has to say.

00:00:18.000 There is a major movement growing of young ladies that are rejecting the pill.

00:00:24.000 It's very interesting.

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00:01:33.000 We as conservatives are losing young women in massive numbers.

00:01:37.000 And we had Alex Clark on the show.

00:01:40.000 It was a very, very successful conversation.

00:01:42.000 People really liked it.

00:01:44.000 It didn't resonate with me, but I want to be coached.

00:01:46.000 I want to be taught because I, and I'll say this in a second with our guest, Isabelle Brown.

00:01:54.000 When a young lady comes up on campus and the first thing she says is, Who do you think you are as a man telling me what to think about abortion?

00:02:02.000 How do you proceed from there?

00:02:03.000 Isabel Brown joins us. 0.82

00:02:05.000 Isabelle has been on our show many times.

00:02:07.000 Isabel, welcome back.

00:02:08.000 She is the host of Isabelle Brown Live, also a TP USA contributor.

00:02:12.000 All right, Isabelle, let's just approach with the big problem. 0.67

00:02:16.000 We are losing young women significantly.

00:02:19.000 Tell me and our audience why you think that is.

00:02:22.000 Well, it's a great analysis point for us to start at, Charlie.

00:02:25.000 And let me just say, I think far too many in the conservative movement and in right of center politics are refusing to acknowledge that at this point.

00:02:33.000 We've been operating for almost 10 years in the rise of MAGA with are you tired of winning?

00:02:38.000 And I think people are so uncomfortable with this idea that maybe we need to shift strategies a little bit, shift our messaging or even how we message, not even the content, to try to win again.

00:02:49.000 But if the 2022 election was any proof and if just the other day for Election Day 2023 was any proof, we have got to start reaching young women.

00:02:57.000 I am very outspoken about this on my live stream.

00:03:00.000 I travel across the country and speak to high school and college groups.

00:03:03.000 And I'm seeing mainly a disconnect with young women in particular because of the communication between facts and feelings.

00:03:10.000 We've talked about this a little bit on your show in the past, but I think there's such a window of opportunity to communicate our factual traditional values through the lens of feelings and empathy and trying to create a better world to young women where things just click.

00:03:27.000 So what does that look like?

00:03:29.000 Tell us kind of, you know, a young lady comes up and she's all feelings. 0.96

00:03:34.000 I hate you. 0.99

00:03:34.000 You're a man. 0.99

00:03:34.000 Or, you know, UCLA, first question. 0.99

00:03:36.000 You are not allowed to have an opinion because you're a man. 0.91

00:03:38.000 Should I just say you're right and shut up? 0.85

00:03:41.000 Or what?

00:03:42.000 I mean, I know that's a tough question, but how do you dialogue with somebody who is obviously aggressive and says, I think you should get off my campus because I feel that you're a threat to me?

00:03:56.000 I think we're seeing so much of this very aggressive, angry emotion, specifically around the issue of abortion.

00:04:02.000 And I'm glad you brought that up, Charlie.

00:04:03.000 Last spring, I was able to travel to over a dozen college campuses with Kristen Hawkins on her tour with Students for Life and dialogue with young women about this issue in the hearts of college campuses.

00:04:14.000 And that anger is just so palpable.

00:04:16.000 People screaming at you, people throwing things at you.

00:04:19.000 I totally get it.

00:04:20.000 Often I do see it geared towards men in particular because our generation has been programmed to believe no uterus, no opinion, which is ironic because I thought men can have uteruses now as well, and men can have periods and give birth now too.

00:04:33.000 So it's always fun to throw those jokes in there because it helps to lighten the mood.

00:04:36.000 But I have found it's incredibly effective on the issue of abortion to connect first on the emotional, to say, I see how angry you are.

00:04:43.000 I see how upset you are.

00:04:45.000 And rightfully so.

00:04:46.000 We're talking about a very difficult subject that involves human suffering.

00:04:49.000 So this should be making you angry and this should be not sitting right in your soul.

00:04:54.000 However, is it at all possible that maybe your feelings are misdirected?

00:04:58.000 Maybe the way to truly have empathy for this woman who is a victim of some sort of heinous crime, usually they bring up situations of rape or incest or domestic abuse.

00:05:07.000 Is it possible that maybe we're giving more trauma to this woman by adding abortion to her life? 0.87

00:05:12.000 Because she might be six times more likely to commit suicide later on in her life.

00:05:16.000 Is it possible that we are putting her life at risk every time she gets down on the table in the operating room for a surgical abortion or when we send her home and she could bleed out in her bathroom?

00:05:26.000 We don't want her to risk her life, do we?

00:05:28.000 And connecting on some of those common ground empathy talking points first really opens the door for conversation to take that deep breath, to not let your heart rate get so high as you taught me many years ago on college campuses and to let these women know that their feelings are there for a reason.

00:05:43.000 This is a disgusting practice that should not sit well with you, but maybe it's a bit misdirected. 0.79

00:05:48.000 To just kind of show you how bad the numbers are, the amount of young women that will support a Democratic House candidate is nearing 75, 70.

00:06:01.000 I think these numbers are actually low.

00:06:03.000 I think that's low.

00:06:03.000 I think it's even worse than that based on data I've seen.

00:06:07.000 It's almost a 20-point gender gap between men and women under 30 compared to almost no gap in 2008.

00:06:14.000 And in fact, young men are becoming more and more right wing and young ladies are not.

00:06:19.000 So the abortion issue is obviously very motivating. 0.78

00:06:24.000 Have you seen evidence, Isabel, that people's minds can be changed, young ladies, on this? 0.62

00:06:29.000 Because it's an issue where they frame it as autonomy, right?

00:06:33.000 My body, my choice.

00:06:34.000 Don't tell me what.

00:06:35.000 I mean, Taylor Swift comes out.

00:06:37.000 And I'm not supposed to talk about Taylor Swift, so I don't really care, but I'm going to do it anyway.

00:06:41.000 I'm absolutely terrified that this is where we are, that there are so many decades of people fighting for women's rights to their bodies.

00:06:47.000 Today's decision has stripped us of that.

00:06:49.000 That was after the repeal of Roe versus Wade.

00:06:52.000 How do you win over, and I'm not, this is not true.

00:06:54.000 I'm just curious, like a young lady where all she cares about is her own personal autonomy.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, it's fun to have these conversations because I think when you actually start talking about bodily autonomy with both feelings and logic, you start to realize that's not really the crux of this issue.

00:07:10.000 But even when I have seen young women grip onto this idea of my body, my choice, one of my favorite questions to ask young women is, do you think you have a right to sex? 0.96

00:07:19.000 Do you think you have a right to have sex anytime, anyplace with whoever you want, because that is your human right?

00:07:25.000 And the answer is typically yes, but it's fun to then follow up with, so you have rights to that other person's body then, the person that you're engaging in intercourse with.

00:07:33.000 Or let's say you have a three-year-old child at home who cannot provide for themselves or take care of themselves.

00:07:38.000 Do you have the entitlement, the right to just leave them at 3 p.m. in the afternoon and go down to the gas station and take care of that human right of yours if your child could burn their hand on the stove or die or hit their head if you're not supervising them?

00:07:50.000 This idea of autonomy gets really gray when it starts involving interactions with other people.

00:07:55.000 And if you can click that for somebody who might be outside of the womb, a sexual partner that you might have, your boyfriend, or a random stranger, or even your need, your responsibility to take care of a child that's out of the womb, all of a sudden those lines get a little bit blurred and there's an opportunity for conversation there.

00:08:11.000 As for whether or not this mind can be changed on this issue from a generational perspective, yes.

00:08:16.000 And I see it all the time, not just with the issue of abortion, but on the need for strong families and strong marriages, on the need to believe in God in our very broken and god-less society, in entrepreneurship, in rejecting the lie of four-year education to get a degree in underwater lesbian basket weaving. 0.78

00:08:33.000 Gen Z is very much negating this prescribed pathway to success that all of these celebrities, Taylor Swift included, politicians, loudest voices on social media, seem to be telling us is the only way to go.

00:08:46.000 I have tons of data to back that up, but I think there's this very clear image that's being provided of Gen Z that's creating another and a deeper generational divide in the right-of-center conservative movement and in the Republican Party in particular that isn't wholly based on objective reality.

00:09:02.000 It's based on what a very small percentage of us have voted in the last few elections.

00:09:07.000 So if I'm understanding, Isabelle, you need to make an attempt of the I feel your pain type thing.

00:09:15.000 Is that what you're getting at to try to pan?

00:09:17.000 I mean, this is creating a shared bond of empathy, I think, is a very powerful tool.

00:09:22.000 We're human because we have souls, because we have feelings.

00:09:25.000 And that comes from our design from God Himself, right?

00:09:28.000 We're not just animatronic robots and computer programs and algorithms.

00:09:32.000 The ability to connect with another person, saying this causes you pain and this should cause you pain.

00:09:37.000 It's not a perfect solution in our broken world.

00:09:40.000 Where can we make that better?

00:09:41.000 Is a great launching pad for that conversation?

00:09:44.000 Yeah, I have to think, well, I guess we're not supposed to think, right?

00:09:49.000 We're supposed to feel about that.

00:09:50.000 So I have to, I guess I have not mutually exclusive, I would argue.

00:09:54.000 I think they go hand in hand.

00:09:56.000 I don't know.

00:09:56.000 That's where I'm not so sure.

00:09:57.000 I mean, when a young lady says, I hate you, like I hear it all the time.

00:10:02.000 I mean, am I supposed to validate that feeling, right?

00:10:07.000 Or no, and you're not expected to validate every single person's feelings.

00:10:11.000 Feelings are unreliable at the end of the day, but they exist for a reason.

00:10:15.000 And I would love to ask you, Charlie, like, why are you so unapologetically pro-life?

00:10:19.000 Why is that such a deep-seated core value for you?

00:10:23.000 Is it just because of the fact that there is a beating heart or a human person?

00:10:27.000 Or do you feel a sense of humanistic connection seeing that that child was made in the image of God the same way you were and worthy of the same respect and dignity?

00:10:35.000 I don't feel it.

00:10:36.000 I think it.

00:10:37.000 Yeah, my feelings are super missing.

00:10:38.000 Yeah, the Bible says your heart will lead us astray.

00:10:40.000 Over 10 warnings on that.

00:10:42.000 So.

00:10:44.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:11:04.000 And in California, the demand for abortions has increased 400% in part because the state is inviting women and girls to come to California for the sole purpose of aborting their baby.

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00:11:46.000 So, Isabel, who on the conservative world podcast or political space do you think is Doing more good than harm, or at least effective in reaching young women.

00:11:58.000 An example that you can point to.

00:12:01.000 Easiest, best example would be Brett Cooper with her show, The Comment section.

00:12:05.000 Brett has this uncanny ability to connect cultural and political issues from this very fresh breath of air that I think the world really needs to hear right now.

00:12:14.000 She's funny, she's funky, but she's not afraid to tell it as it is.

00:12:17.000 And it's obviously showing in how quickly her channels are growing on TikTok, on YouTube, and everywhere else.

00:12:23.000 Okay, Brett Cooper.

00:12:25.000 So, yeah, we're trying to get Brett for AmericaFest.

00:12:28.000 She's terrific.

00:12:29.000 So, the challenge I think that some of us have, though, Isabel, is that feelings are inherently subjective.

00:12:37.000 Now, if what you're saying, using feelings to get to as a means of persuasion, is that effectively what you're saying?

00:12:46.000 Because, for example, the genesis of facts don't care about your feelings is obviously Shapiro, but it came from kind of a refutation of overly, and don't take this offensively, feminine politics, okay?

00:13:03.000 Of I'm going to dismiss all the data because I feel a certain way, right?

00:13:09.000 And so, Shapiro said, and it obviously started a whole genre that was very successful, said, but the facts supersede your feelings and they don't care about them.

00:13:20.000 Because, you know, for example, you hear this all the time, right, Isabel?

00:13:22.000 The black students will say, I feel like I'm targeted all the time.

00:13:25.000 And we'll say, well, no, I mean, you're not because of this, and this.

00:13:29.000 So, what is your reaction to that?

00:13:32.000 Well, first, I'd like to ask you a question, Charlie.

00:13:34.000 You mentioned that there are this big, big generation of young men coming into the fold today going into the 2024 election that are overwhelmingly very conservative.

00:13:43.000 And that's true.

00:13:44.000 We are seeing that with Gen Z. 0.97

00:13:45.000 It is insane the numbers of Gen Z young men that are embracing the words of a Jordan Peterson or you or Dave Rubin or Ben Shapiro.

00:13:53.000 And that's incredibly encouraging.

00:13:54.000 But we, as conservatives, first and foremost, believe that men are men and women are women, right?

00:13:59.000 They're different, correct?

00:14:01.000 Yes, yes, A is A, correct, yes.

00:14:04.000 So if that's the case, I think it requires a unique strategy for how to message the same objective truth that all of us live in and really require to live in in our broken and subjective society.

00:14:15.000 And that might look like two different approaches.

00:14:17.000 The facts don't care about your feelings overly masculine way of communicating is incredibly effective with young men.

00:14:24.000 And those numbers that you shared from Generation Z go to prove that point.

00:14:27.000 I think we have nothing but reason to have hope for young men in Gen Z embracing traditional values. 1.00

00:14:33.000 But when it comes to a more feminine approach to communicate those objective truth ideas, I don't think facts or feelings are mutually exclusive here in discussing these issues with young women.

00:14:43.000 Women have bought into a whole barrage of lies of people trying to twist facts about what's going to make us happier or make us feel more successful or make us feel more fulfilled. 1.00

00:14:54.000 We should always put our career first instead of our families. 1.00

00:14:57.000 We should never date with intention to get married.

00:14:59.000 And we certainly never should put a ring on our finger and get married.

00:15:02.000 We shouldn't believe in God.

00:15:03.000 We should believe in our very public corporate CEO because that should be God over our life.

00:15:08.000 And we could keep going example by example.

00:15:11.000 But look what's happened.

00:15:12.000 You see an entire generation of young women who are struggling more than ever before with record high rates of anxiety, depression, of suicidation.

00:15:21.000 We want something more.

00:15:23.000 And that continues to prove itself as well.

00:15:25.000 83% of my generation, for example, still dreams of growing up to get married in a culture with the lowest marriage rate America has ever seen since 1867 when we began recording marriage rates. 0.96

00:15:37.000 The vast majority of our generation is ditching the stupid liberal arts degree for four years to instead pursue entrepreneurship. 0.85

00:15:43.000 62% of us have already started our own businesses. 0.98

00:15:47.000 In 2021, only a quarter of our generation said we believed in a higher power.

00:15:51.000 But just two years later, over a third of us say that we believe in God.

00:15:55.000 There's this hunger for meaning.

00:15:57.000 There's a hunger for truth and objective fact.

00:15:59.000 But recognizing the brokenness and the anxiety, the depression, the death, the culture of death that our country continues to support and how it got young women here is exactly how we get us out of it. 0.93

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00:17:11.000 I think we're making progress.

00:17:13.000 We're trying to.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, well, I am trying to figure out.

00:17:17.000 I could tell you how to win over young men.

00:17:18.000 That's not a problem. 0.99

00:17:19.000 Young women, we got a problem.

00:17:20.000 So, but Isabelle, I don't know if you agree or disagree.

00:17:23.000 I'm sure on the margins, I could totally buy into it.

00:17:26.000 But my current belief is that absent more and more young ladies getting married and having children, it's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to turn them into conservatives. 0.74

00:17:40.000 Is that do you agree with that?

00:17:42.000 I don't agree with that, actually.

00:17:44.000 And I have a story to share with you, if you don't mind, Charlie, on why I don't.

00:17:48.000 Back in the spring, it was March or April, I took a trip to Santa Barbara, California to be on a very viral dating podcast called the Whatever Podcast.

00:17:55.000 You've probably seen clips of this all over TikTok, or for those watching, it's very, very viral on YouTube and Rumble.

00:18:01.000 But sat down at a big table with 10 or so other young women, all of whom were dramatically different in value set, in religious upbringing, in relationship status than myself.

00:18:11.000 I was sitting across the table from a recovering sex addict, an OnlyFans creator, an active pornography actress, and her fiancé, which didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

00:18:21.000 And we were supposed to be engaging in these conversations that were supposed to be a bit combative, right?

00:18:26.000 You want the clips to go very viral on social media.

00:18:28.000 That usually happens from disagreement.

00:18:30.000 But shockingly, for about five hours, as we were sitting there getting to know one another, we found ourselves agreeing on almost every single subject that we talked about.

00:18:39.000 Every young woman around the table shared with me that she had quit taking her birth control pills within the last year because they were making her depressed, destroyed her body image, and changed who she was attractive to.

00:18:50.000 Every single young woman sitting around this table said they felt that they had been lied to by modern feminism and they might not jump to the alternative to say they should get married today in order to fix that, but they felt this sense of something is wrong, putting a square peg into a round hole.

00:19:06.000 Every single woman sitting around this table said hookup culture had brought them personally significant anxiety, depression, and they weren't sure how that was going to impact their dating lives moving forward.

00:19:17.000 And data backs this up.

00:19:18.000 Pew Research shows that over 73% of our generation who are currently dating the way the world is supposed to tell us to, we're dating in hookup culture and with app after app on our phone, constantly scrolling for that perfect match that's never going to come, we're extremely dissatisfied with our dating lives.

00:19:36.000 Your love life might not seem like the obvious first place to connect on shared values and change someone's entire mindset towards being conservative.

00:19:44.000 But when you talk about the most intimate, foundational, important relationships, like who you're going to marry and who you're going to spend the rest of your life with, or even more superficially, who you share your body with, young women today know that something is broken.

00:19:57.000 We are throwing away our birth control pills.

00:19:59.000 We are deleting the dating apps off of our phone in record numbers, and we're voluntarily taking ourselves off the dating market.

00:20:05.000 More than 50% of our generation has, because something isn't right, how the world is packaging it.

00:20:10.000 We want more.

00:20:12.000 So if that is the case, why are young women not getting married in bigger numbers?

00:20:18.000 You know, I think there's a whole PhD dissertation course we could teach on how our society is packaging marriage, namely because almost every single loud voice around us, our CEOs, our college professors, our favorite celebrities or influencers are all telling us that marriage is a trap.

00:20:34.000 But I have to tell you, at least anecdotally, every single young woman that I am personally friends with who might call themselves conservative or even fiercely independent are all engaged in getting married.

00:20:45.000 I am seeing a trend of young marriages based in faith and getting married in the church, unlike anything I've ever seen before.

00:20:52.000 I'm doing my marriage prep right now at the Catholic Church in our neighborhood, and we had our mandatory retreat a few weekends ago where there were 52 other young Gen Z couples, 104 people getting ready to get married in the Catholic church in a time where they would tell you nobody wants to get married in the church.

00:21:08.000 So I don't know if the data might just be skewed.

00:21:10.000 They might be surveying the wrong people, but at least in my own experience, I'm seeing a huge push towards wanting to share your life with somebody for good.

00:21:20.000 That's very promising.

00:21:21.000 Yeah, the data shows we have more unmarried young 30-somethings than married.

00:21:26.000 Maybe Gen Z can save us. 1.00

00:21:29.000 And so how can we then segue that to political success? 0.68

00:21:33.000 So the whatever podcast where you were talking to the hookers and you were trying to find common ground.

00:21:40.000 Do you think that there's an opening that they would vote right wing or conservative after that conversation?

00:21:47.000 I absolutely do. 0.52

00:21:48.000 And I think a lot of it then comes from parlaying those conversations into, well, why are you so miserable?

00:21:53.000 Why is everything so broken?

00:21:54.000 Why do you feel like you were sold a bill of goods here instead of something that's going to lead towards happiness and truth?

00:22:01.000 And a lot of that comes down to our identity, who we were built to be, who we were made to be, and what we're capable of accomplishing.

00:22:08.000 The left has this very shiny, happy image of what Gen Z is supposed to look like in the political system. 0.90

00:22:15.000 But really, they treat you like a pawn that can be bought or sold for a vote every four years.

00:22:21.000 They put on rock concerts and they have musicians come to the White House and make extremely choogy and cringy TikToks that just hurt your soul to watch.

00:22:29.000 But there's no actual substance in wanting to make a Gen Zer's life better. 1.00

00:22:34.000 Economically, certainly not, but especially culturally.

00:22:37.000 And Charlie, we like to say all the time, politics is downstream from culture.

00:22:40.000 I think if we can change the tide of public opinion on marriage, on birth control, on how we use social media to laugh again when we have a world that's devoiding us of comedy, reminding people that it's okay to worship God and not worship government, all of a sudden our foundational values shift so dramatically that you're able to connect with people politically on how we accomplish sharing that with other people in the future.

00:23:04.000 Yeah, I want you to focus on one of the topics here that has getting more and more attention, birth control.

00:23:09.000 So birth control has been proven to increase depression, anxiety.

00:23:13.000 It makes women more neurotic and quite honestly, crazy. 1.00

00:23:16.000 And there's more and more people throwing away the pills.

00:23:20.000 I don't know if, I don't know how substantial, this is more just kind of chatter anecdotal.

00:23:24.000 I didn't believe Alex Clark when she came on the show because the numbers just seem a little bit unclear.

00:23:29.000 There really hasn't been a study, amazingly.

00:23:31.000 I went through all the Gutmacher institutions, Planned Parented, all the left-wing groups, and they're not admitting that birth control rates are down.

00:23:38.000 But honestly, these parents that give, they give up.

00:23:41.000 I'm shocked.

00:23:42.000 oh, you have pimps birth control.

00:23:43.000 You have, you know, you have this birth control.

00:23:46.000 Just take, this is really important.

00:23:47.000 Again, I'm far from an expert on this topic, but there seems to be this like subterranean mass movement of like anti-birth control pills that's beyond, it's not getting any coverage.

00:24:00.000 A lot of the people say it's like an anti-contraceptive movement.

00:24:04.000 So what is going on here, Isabel?

00:24:05.000 Take as much time as you need.

00:24:06.000 I find it fascinating.

00:24:08.000 I am so glad you asked, Charlie, because I talk about this all the time.

00:24:12.000 As you know, my educational background is in biomedical sciences.

00:24:15.000 I was pre-med through all of college and then got my graduate degree in healthcare policy.

00:24:19.000 So I, too, am shocked that more people are not covering the mass movement I am seeing generationally to throw away hormonal birth control.

00:24:28.000 And that doesn't just look like the pill, by the way, although that's probably the most common way that we obtain hormonal birth control in society.

00:24:35.000 Certain IUDs, implants in your arm, the shot, for example, are all regulating, which sounds like a positive thing, but actually is changing every single thing about you, your hormones.

00:24:45.000 And we're starting to discover, because no one is doing any studies about this, that there are mass implications to our identity as individuals when we take these supposedly magic pills prescribed to us to fix any little ailment under the sun by our primary care physicians or even our dermatologists.

00:25:02.000 I'm extremely transparent about my own experience.

00:25:04.000 I was prescribed birth control mandatorily when I was 15 years old because I was prescribed Accutane.

00:25:09.000 I had debilitating horrible acne, which is a larger story, I think, in terms of the diet in America, why this is happening to almost every teenager.

00:25:16.000 That's right.

00:25:17.000 But I had this horrible acne, had no self-esteem, and was told this was going to be my magic solution, this experimental medication to take it.

00:25:24.000 But caveat, the government requires that you take hormonal birth control pills while you are on it, just in case, because the medicine causes extreme birth defects.

00:25:33.000 I was then told by every single doctor that I've ever had since then, oh, just stay on it.

00:25:37.000 It's fine.

00:25:38.000 It'll regulate your periods.

00:25:39.000 It'll be such a better experience.

00:25:41.000 Your skin won't freak out every single month when your hormones just go crazy, which is what they were designed to do. 0.79

00:25:47.000 That's how your body naturally operates. 0.58

00:25:49.000 And so like many women in my generation, the vast majority, I took these things thinking they were magically solving all of my problems in life, but really were causing unbelievable havoc on my mind, my body, and my soul. 1.00

00:26:00.000 And I think the average teenage slash 20-something girl can absolutely intimately relate to this.

00:26:05.000 We know now that it causes anxiety and depression and suicidation.

00:26:09.000 Nobody likes to talk about that when they prescribe it to you in the doctor's office and read the horrible list of physical side effects.

00:26:15.000 But also mentally, it makes you less interested in your passions.

00:26:18.000 It completely changes who you are attracted to.

00:26:21.000 It turns out women taking birth control pills are more attracted to more feminine men instead of more masculine men that can appropriately lead them in a relationship.

00:26:29.000 It completely destroys your sex drive, which obviously isn't necessarily the most appropriate thing to talk about with a teenager, but would probably be good to know before you think about growing up and getting married and still taking this pill that's changing every single thing about you. 1.00

00:26:42.000 So the more we ask these questions, women are quitting in droves. 0.99

00:26:45.000 And the skim is one of the only people that's reporting on the numbers for this.

00:26:49.000 You're right.

00:26:49.000 There's not a lot of data at the 30,000 foot level, but of the women surveyed in America who have stopped taking birth control pills when they previously were prescribed it, over a third of them have stopped within the last year.

00:27:01.000 So this is a brand new subterranean movement, and we love to see it.

00:27:05.000 So I have a couple questions.

00:27:07.000 Do you think that that might be why so many young ladies are becoming lesbian because of the pill?

00:27:12.000 You know, I wouldn't be surprised.

00:27:14.000 I think that requires a deeper study, but if you're attracted to more feminine traits, you're probably not going to find your local Ron Swanson to shack up with.

00:27:22.000 So I mean, I mean, this is not, I'm just curious, is there a withdrawal period if people stop taking the pill?

00:27:29.000 Is it tough to come off of?

00:27:31.000 You know, it's different for every single person.

00:27:33.000 It also depends on what specific brand you were taking.

00:27:36.000 Generally, I think most women have about a span of three to six months where their body's in a little bit of dysregulation, but you catch up quite quickly. 0.67

00:27:43.000 Your body is naturally designed to take care of this stuff for you, and it knows exactly what to do. 0.99

00:27:48.000 Yeah, and then does it impact future fertility? 0.98

00:27:51.000 I've heard like people scream at each other over this. 0.72

00:27:55.000 Yes, it does.

00:27:55.000 No, it doesn't.

00:27:56.000 Fantastic question.

00:27:57.000 I think it does.

00:27:58.000 That's just my personal opinion on the subject.

00:28:00.000 But like the idea with mental health, there are very, very few people willing to do the research on this because they will get blacklisted every which way from Sunday in the pharmaceutical and the medical industry for doing so.

00:28:12.000 There is no coincidence, however, that fertility rates have just plummeted in the last decade or so in America.

00:28:18.000 If you look at rates from 2004 to 2020s, for example, it's shocking and devastating and nobody is talking about it.

00:28:25.000 But one in four pregnancies should not be ending in miscarriage.

00:28:29.000 That is not normal.

00:28:29.000 Jeez, that is unbelievable.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, there's a really good article, AmenClinics.com, The Pill's Surprising and Scary Effects on the Brain.

00:28:37.000 Isabel, there's a lot of moms I'm sure that are listening that have probably are currently giving their daughters the pill.

00:28:43.000 I know that you don't want to necessarily give medical advice, but knowing what you know, it's probably true that it's being over-prescribed, right?

00:28:51.000 That it's that it's almost a solution in search of a problem.

00:28:57.000 It absolutely is.

00:28:58.000 It's like a band-aid solution.

00:28:59.000 I've interviewed a lot of doctors about, and they're told from the pharmaceutical reps that come to their office, you know, just prescribe this for anything.

00:29:05.000 The American Pediatric Association is now being told to prescribe it for anything to halt gender development for your children as soon as your patient starts menstruating, whether they identify as a woman or a man.

00:29:16.000 There are endless cascades of problems that happen from this when you start taking it as a child or teenager.

00:29:22.000 And I would just highly encourage you to at least get a second opinion if that's being thrown in your daughter's face.

00:29:27.000 So Isabelle, I'm going to take your advice.

00:29:28.000 Next time I do one of these change my mind things, I'm going to go on campus with a sign that says stop taking the pill.

00:29:33.000 I'm sure that'll be well received.

00:29:35.000 I love it, Charlie.

00:29:36.000 That's a great idea.

00:29:37.000 I'm half kidding.

00:29:38.000 But, well, I guess what you're saying, though, is that it's both emotional and factual because people have a personal experience with it.

00:29:45.000 So, all right, I think I'm getting somewhere.

00:29:49.000 So, Isabel, what I think you have presented is find two or three issues that young women feel as if they have been misled or lied to about.

00:30:02.000 For example, you've been scammed about the pill or you've been misled about hookup culture.

00:30:10.000 That is an effective way, you think, to be able to communicate to them?

00:30:15.000 Exceptionally effective, Charlie.

00:30:16.000 Nobody likes to be lied to.

00:30:18.000 And especially if you can acknowledge where they're at and tell them you don't have to stay this way.

00:30:23.000 Our country doesn't have to stay this way.

00:30:24.000 It's a perfect launching pad to find a new way forward.

00:30:28.000 So then, from a, if you were to give a policy agenda speech, or at least you were in charge of policy for the Republican Party, what laws, legislation, or messaging to win elections should be embraced?

00:30:45.000 You know, I think we have spent so much time On the official DC policy with white papers and bills introduced and specific executive agendas.

00:30:54.000 Those things are all so, so important.

00:30:56.000 But what I'm seeing more than anything else right now is a complete disconnect between the actual good policies of the Republican Party and how that's messaged through the conservative movement to Gen Z.

00:31:08.000 We talk a lot about the need to be where people are, right?

00:31:11.000 You can't change culture unless you're willing to go where culture is and change it from the inside out.

00:31:16.000 But I'm not seeing a cohesive effort by 90% of Republican politicians or important people in the movement out of Washington, D.C., in trying to go to social media, to the hearts of college campuses, to high schools, and message these subjects the way they need to be communicated in a language that Gen Z understands. 0.75

00:31:35.000 So the very first thing that I would do is create a marketing strategy.

00:31:40.000 How do we share these traditional values with maybe a new twist in an exciting way that messages and resonates so strongly with a generation who desperately is looking for truth, purpose, and meaning?

00:31:52.000 And so from a, let's just say, a family creation agenda, if the Republican Party said, we're going to make it easier for you to get married and have children, do you think that would be a positive for young people to hear?

00:32:09.000 Huge positive.

00:32:10.000 I live in Florida now.

00:32:11.000 I moved here in March, and that's exactly the blueprint that Governor Ron DeSantis has put in place at a statewide level for the state of Florida.

00:32:18.000 Interestingly, he's also fighting on offense against the lies of the abortion industry by doing the same thing.

00:32:24.000 Florida passed a six-week ban on abortion several months ago.

00:32:28.000 It's also usually called the Heartbeat Bill.

00:32:29.000 You might have heard that in some other states.

00:32:31.000 And at the same time, spent tens of millions of dollars funding free prenatal care at pro-life pregnancy centers all over the state.

00:32:39.000 So investing in actual health care instead of the end of life.

00:32:42.000 Meanwhile, we also made it tax-free to buy all baby supplies in the state of Florida this year.

00:32:47.000 If you go buy diapers or anything at babies are us, it's going to be tax-free from sales tax here in the state.

00:32:54.000 And I would highly encourage any other state to look at this agenda, how it's working, how more than 1,200 people a day are moving to the state of Florida, just like myself and my fiancé, because that's appealing to this next generation looking for an ease of opportunity, not just to start our own businesses or have friendly tax policies, but to invest in the longevity and happiness of our families as well.

00:33:14.000 All right.

00:33:14.000 Last one, Isabelle.

00:33:15.000 You're going to have to explain to me Taylor Swift.

00:33:19.000 What is the, not as what is the appeal? 1.00

00:33:23.000 I won't get clarity on that, but her political power. 1.00

00:33:27.000 Do you think she really has the ability to move millions of young ladies to vote Democrat if she chooses next November? 0.99

00:33:34.000 To vote Democrat, I'm not entirely sure.

00:33:37.000 I do like to joke that if Taylor Swift wanted to be president of the United States, she probably could, which is a very scary reality.

00:33:43.000 I'm like a halfway in, halfway out, Swifty.

00:33:46.000 I love the music and I just can't stand the politics, nor could I ever dream of selling my car to afford concert tickets, which many women on TikTok are saying.

00:33:55.000 But look, there's something to be said about the appeal to femininity that Taylor Swift has to offer.

00:34:00.000 She's encouraging you to put on your best dress and go dance and sing your heart out at a concert or hang out with your girlfriends at a movie theater to connect with women experiences of getting broken up with or going to your first dance in high school.

00:34:13.000 I think there's something really beautiful about resurrecting true femininity in the world of pop culture while most women are trying to tell you to run away from it as fast as you can. 0.98

00:34:22.000 That is a sweet answer.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, I don't know if Taylor Swift embraces true femininity, but I'll let people debate that.

00:34:30.000 Isabel Brown, thank you so much.

00:34:32.000 Appreciate it.

00:34:32.000 Thank you.

00:34:33.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:34:34.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:35.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:39.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:34:44.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 14, 2023

Why the Right Loses Young Women, with Isabel Brown

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