The Charlie Kirk Show - July 30, 2022


Why the Smartest People on the Left Are Leaving with Greg Gutfeld


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Greg Gutfeld delivers a keynote at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit. Greg and Charlie talk about Charlie's new show on Fox News, his new book, and why he's running for President in 2020.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Saturday.
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00:00:25.000 The great Greg Gutfeld and I have a couple laughs live in front of thousands of students at our Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.
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00:02:03.000 So, Greg, speaking of your show, you know, it's only been, what, about a year, year and a half?
00:02:08.000 Is that right?
00:02:08.000 Yeah, I think it started April 2021, right?
00:02:11.000 Yeah, so it's a year and three months.
00:02:12.000 And it was a little bit of a risk that Fox took, but you are just slaughtering your competition.
00:02:20.000 And it's been weird because, you know, we waited for the right time to do it, and it just made sense.
00:02:27.000 Like, I pretty much knew this was going to happen, but I couldn't say it.
00:02:31.000 And so did Suzanne Scott, who's the CEO.
00:02:35.000 We were talking about it, and we're going like, it just makes sense because when you see a hole and you just know you can fill it, it's like, it's like it was right there in front of us.
00:02:43.000 So, you know, and the best, I got to tell you.
00:02:47.000 So I had Adam Carolla on a couple of days ago, and then I did his podcast.
00:02:51.000 Great guy.
00:02:52.000 And we were talking about how you know when something is successful in Hollywood, they don't talk about it because it is so damaging to their psyche.
00:03:02.000 It is so humiliating.
00:03:04.000 So he goes like, he goes, they pretend that my show doesn't exist because if it, because they just, it's like they can't look in the mirror and see their own failure because that's what my show is.
00:03:15.000 My show reminds them of their failure.
00:03:18.000 It's a 60-minute reminder of how irrelevant they've become.
00:03:21.000 Yeah.
00:03:21.000 And so, Greg, but I think it actually, we can go a little deeper here.
00:03:24.000 What is instructive about the success of your program that could be applied in just fighting against a lot of this boring and banal and overly radical commentary happening on television?
00:03:36.000 Well, I think it helps to be funny and don't take yourself too seriously.
00:03:44.000 I think that maybe, you know, 70% of the content in my show is ridicule and sarcasm directed at me.
00:03:54.000 And the best fun that we have on that show is when Tyrus and Kat turn on me or the get they're great or guests so it doesn't look like you don't want to end I think we're past that that that cable stereotype of the angry right-winger.
00:04:11.000 You know, you need to tell those people to go home.
00:04:15.000 That's dead.
00:04:16.000 It's we will we are winning by having fun.
00:04:19.000 And I think I mentioned this before the last time I was here.
00:04:23.000 The Dean Wormer effect.
00:04:25.000 And it's like, I don't know if you got, you guys are so young.
00:04:27.000 I feel so old.
00:04:29.000 Hey, there's a movie that came out in 1979 called Animal House.
00:04:34.000 There you go.
00:04:35.000 All right.
00:04:35.000 So the bad character in there is Dean Wormer.
00:04:38.000 He's the Dean.
00:04:39.000 And that's how they portrayed in all movies, Republicans and conservatives, the evil dean and the animal house was wild.
00:04:46.000 So about 20 years ago, I wrote an article called the Dean Wormer effect, which my desire was to flip it so that the conservative becomes the animal house and the left becomes Dean Wormer.
00:04:58.000 That's what you're seeing now.
00:04:59.000 You're seeing just like a contagious humorlessness sweeping across the left.
00:05:06.000 Meanwhile, on the right, everybody's having a good time.
00:05:11.000 I mean, as crazy, as crazy as the last, I don't know, six years have been, you got to admit, it's also been fun.
00:05:19.000 It's been more fun than not fun is the way I look at it.
00:05:23.000 Well, and Greg, it should be the opposite, right?
00:05:25.000 I mean, they control everything.
00:05:27.000 Right. 1.00
00:05:27.000 And they're miserable. 1.00
00:05:28.000 So that, yeah, they're in control and they've never been unhappier. 0.92
00:05:32.000 Why do you think that is?
00:05:34.000 Well, you know, I'll tell you what.
00:05:35.000 I think there's one telling thing.
00:05:38.000 What happens when the smartest people on your side leave?
00:05:43.000 And this is a, I was talking about this with Corolla.
00:05:46.000 So what's happening is you look at like Russell Brand, who is a brilliant, yeah, brilliant guy.
00:05:53.000 He was hardcore left.
00:05:55.000 He could, I mean, I'm going to talk about the left wingers that scared me that I didn't want to be in an argument with.
00:06:03.000 Russell Brand, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi.
00:06:07.000 These are guys like in the aughts.
00:06:09.000 Is that what you say?
00:06:09.000 The aughts, 2000s?
00:06:13.000 I don't want to debate these people.
00:06:15.000 I think they would eat my lunch.
00:06:17.000 But now we're all on the same side.
00:06:20.000 And it's because they see the folly of their own side.
00:06:24.000 So that's one thing that's happening is that they're losing good people.
00:06:29.000 And I mean, Glenn Greenwald is like a treasure.
00:06:32.000 He's amazing.
00:06:34.000 Russell Brand's podcasts are like 5.2 million.
00:06:37.000 And he sounds, he doesn't sound much different than me, but he's just got a better accent and better hair.
00:06:45.000 So what's happening?
00:06:45.000 This is a really, this is also, I'm going to steal this from Corolla because he's never said it in public.
00:06:51.000 So I'm going to say it first.
00:06:54.000 When all your smart people are leaving, why are they leaving?
00:06:58.000 Because they can, because they have talent.
00:07:00.000 So it's just like, let's say you and I are working at Teen Vogue.
00:07:07.000 Okay?
00:07:07.000 You and me are editors at Teen Vogue.
00:07:09.000 I'm an editor at Teen Vermog.
00:07:10.000 Yes.
00:07:10.000 Okay.
00:07:11.000 The most woke piece of crap ever made. 1.00
00:07:15.000 So, and it's called Teen Vogue. 0.99
00:07:17.000 I love this thing.
00:07:17.000 So imagine you and I are editors there.
00:07:20.000 You're really good. 0.95
00:07:22.000 I'm crappy.
00:07:23.000 So you're really good. 0.73
00:07:24.000 I'm really crappy. 0.51
00:07:26.000 And you're like, Greg, I'm going to quit.
00:07:29.000 I think I'm going to go do something on my own.
00:07:31.000 Maybe start something or do a sub stack or something.
00:07:34.000 And I'm like, no, man, you can't do that.
00:07:37.000 You can't do that.
00:07:38.000 And you go, no, I don't want to do anything.
00:07:39.000 No, no, no, no, you can't because I'm untalented.
00:07:42.000 I have to stay at Teen Vogue because I'm mediocre and I have to do the woke stuff because without that, I don't have the talent to leave.
00:07:51.000 But you have this talent stack.
00:07:52.000 You can go.
00:07:53.000 So you go up, and that's what's happening.
00:07:55.000 So now, what does that do?
00:07:57.000 It creates a concentrated kernel of wokeness in the product that you left because the only people left are the mediocre woke people.
00:08:09.000 Look at Sports Illustrated.
00:08:10.000 You know, I grew up with Sports Illustrated.
00:08:13.000 It was about sports.
00:08:14.000 Remember that?
00:08:15.000 Now I don't even know what it is. 0.87
00:08:18.000 And it's why all their best writers have left and replaced by their kind of like these weird woke automatons.
00:08:26.000 Is that the word automaton?
00:08:27.000 I can't remember.
00:08:28.000 But anyway, so that's happening.
00:08:30.000 When you're seeing it on late night TV, their shows, people are leaving.
00:08:35.000 You're seeing it in magazines, all pop culture.
00:08:37.000 It's all falling apart.
00:08:38.000 Meanwhile, it's hard for places like my show to get talent because they know they're going to get blacklisted.
00:08:48.000 This happens, like I, now comedians are finally coming on to do my show, but they like, let's say a comedian is going to do a show.
00:08:57.000 His, you know, his other comedian friends or agents, he may not end up, he may not be able to do Fallon now or Kimmel because he went and did Gutfell.
00:09:06.000 Now that's changed mainly with the podcast environment.
00:09:08.000 You can go and do Rogan, you can do anything, but you'll see that there's fewer of those comedians on those shows.
00:09:14.000 In fact, I know, like, take somebody like Jamie Lissow, who's on my show, amazing guy, selling out places.
00:09:20.000 You don't see him on other shows.
00:09:22.000 And that's because they blacklist.
00:09:23.000 And so you got to think about you're not getting, you know, a lot of the talent can't come over to me until other people go first.
00:09:30.000 Yeah, and so it's a really smart point where you say the smartest people on the left are leaving because they can.
00:09:36.000 And also, but they're leaving because the people are demanding something different than these institutions.
00:09:42.000 That's the other exactly.
00:09:44.000 Yes.
00:09:45.000 And some of it is just what you would call reason, you know, just logic, truth.
00:09:51.000 But most important, humor.
00:09:54.000 You know, if imagine working at these places and how insufferable those co-workers are. 1.00
00:10:01.000 How when you go to work, you have to think about what you say all the time.
00:10:05.000 You might be called into HR for things you have no idea.
00:10:09.000 And this is another sad thing about, this is where I was wrong on something.
00:10:14.000 And I know that it's rare.
00:10:18.000 But it does happen even to me that I thought that all the woke people in college campuses, when they graduated, they would never get jobs.
00:10:31.000 I just assume they wouldn't. 0.93
00:10:33.000 Because who would hire such crazy people? 0.97
00:10:35.000 Turns out human resources does.
00:10:39.000 And there are other, I mean, it's really, I'm not talking about Fox excluded, of course.
00:10:46.000 But I mean, that's where they go and they create these crazy policies.
00:10:52.000 And it's suffocating.
00:10:55.000 Well, and they have a disproportionate amount of power.
00:10:58.000 And by the way, we love all of you that might work in HR.
00:11:00.000 Yes.
00:11:01.000 However, it seems as if there is an activism that is embedded in HR departments where the product is almost a political purpose.
00:11:11.000 Yes, yeah.
00:11:11.000 And not only that, when you're making the product, it has to appeal to the employees' emotional needs.
00:11:19.000 It's like if I don't, when I go to work, my feelings better not be hurt.
00:11:24.000 Or I'm going home.
00:11:26.000 When did that happen?
00:11:27.000 Like when your dad and mom went to work, they went to work.
00:11:31.000 You show up at 9 a.m., you start thinking about what you're going to have for lunch.
00:11:35.000 That's what you do at work.
00:11:36.000 There's something, there's something rewarding going on.
00:11:39.000 Then after you eat, you're kind of lazy.
00:11:42.000 Think about it, there's no, like when I was, when I was a kid, there was no email.
00:11:46.000 You actually, you couldn't scroll on Twitter.
00:11:48.000 You actually had to do your work.
00:11:50.000 But I mean, nobody was like thinking about like, oh my God, Steve just hurt my feelings by mispronouncing misgendering me.
00:11:58.000 It's like, who cares?
00:12:00.000 This is work.
00:12:02.000 You know?
00:12:03.000 So it's like.
00:12:05.000 Yes. 0.99
00:12:10.000 So that's a delusion that is being fed by cowards who they don't know. 0.98
00:12:19.000 I think they are scared of the snake eating them, right? 0.98
00:12:23.000 The snake of wokeism will turn on itself.
00:12:26.000 And people in HR actually might be protected by sending out empathetic emails telling you what this special day is.
00:12:34.000 And we're going to be doing this for these people and this for those people.
00:12:38.000 And we're going to slice everybody up, you know, like a pie of identity.
00:12:43.000 And they think that's going to save them.
00:12:45.000 And one of the things that I think some conservatives got wrong, and I certainly underestimated this, was that there were going to be limits that somehow they would say, okay, we've gone too far.
00:12:55.000 So for example, the Oregon government, the Oregon Health Department recently, the health department, they were going to have an urgent meeting about monkeypox and about BA.5.
00:13:07.000 Did you see, you probably saw this story.
00:13:09.000 And they sent out an email saying, we're very sorry.
00:13:12.000 We need to delay this meeting because urgency is a white supremacist value.
00:13:18.000 Yeah, I think I did that.
00:13:19.000 I think I did that as a monologue. 0.87
00:13:22.000 And it is the most insulting thing to blacks to say, you know, and it indulges the racist stereotype that certain groups of people are lazy. 0.88
00:13:33.000 It's like they don't take time seriously. 0.96
00:13:37.000 I mean, how awful is that?
00:13:39.000 If I were a minority in that department, I would have kicked a door in and demanded of, that's not just hurting people's feelings.
00:13:48.000 That's actually detrimental to the workplace to say, you know what?
00:13:53.000 Actually, I just wouldn't show up for work.
00:13:55.000 I go, I got to take my time.
00:13:56.000 Well, but I was on the way to work and then I decided to go for a walk.
00:13:59.000 But also, this is not the organ transgender department.
00:14:04.000 This is the health department.
00:14:06.000 And in the email chain, they're dealing with an urgent health matter.
00:14:09.000 And they say we can't deal with the urgent health matter because urgency itself is a white supremacist value.
00:14:16.000 I'm waiting for the day.
00:14:17.000 And again, this is why the Babylon Bee is so unbelievably brilliant.
00:14:21.000 Because you cannot decipher between the Babylon Bee headline and what's happening in the New York Times.
00:14:30.000 I'm just waiting for the FEMA press release.
00:14:33.000 Hurricane incoming.
00:14:35.000 No need to be urgent.
00:14:36.000 Yes.
00:14:36.000 Or else you're a KKK member.
00:14:38.000 Yes, no rush, no rush. 1.00
00:14:40.000 You may die, but you'll be crazy. 0.99
00:14:43.000 Yes, exactly. 0.95
00:14:45.000 I hate the Babylon Bee for reasons that they might be funnier than me.
00:14:50.000 And that is a problem.
00:14:53.000 But you know what's interesting going back to the left, what's happening to the left, as the Babylon Bee gets funnier and funnier, what's less funny?
00:15:00.000 The onion.
00:15:02.000 The onion actually did, they actually now kind of do serious stuff.
00:15:06.000 And I'm like, why, what happened?
00:15:07.000 And it's like, you know, some things just we just can't joke about.
00:15:10.000 Even the onion, like the Roe v. Wade thing, and we can't even joke about that.
00:15:14.000 You know, and so then they just like trash somebody, whatever.
00:15:16.000 Meanwhile, the Babylon Bee has flipped the script.
00:15:20.000 You know, now the onion is Dean Wormer.
00:15:22.000 They're Animal House.
00:15:23.000 And they're really sweet, smart people.
00:15:26.000 I mean, who would have thought that a Christian website is funnier than all the cool atheists?
00:15:35.000 And Greg, you're onto something here of kind of a through line, though.
00:15:39.000 Your show, Rogan, Russell Brand, you know, humor and comedy, not taking yourself too seriously.
00:15:47.000 But if you were to have the 10 commandments of leftism, which again, 10 commandments biblical, they would never believe in such a thing.
00:15:54.000 Like number three shall be, thou shalt take thyself seriously.
00:15:58.000 Is that you must value your own smugness.
00:16:01.000 Right.
00:16:02.000 And it's something that Bill Maher said, because you've also watched his content change.
00:16:07.000 And I've talked to, I knew a couple of people on the staff, and they're really smart, clever.
00:16:13.000 Bill Maher said, the left is creating the content for them.
00:16:19.000 It's that like somebody's got to make fun of this stuff because it's worthy of being made fun of.
00:16:24.000 And now he's finally doing it.
00:16:25.000 He could have probably started in 2001, 2002.
00:16:30.000 It would have been helpful.
00:16:31.000 But you know what?
00:16:32.000 Better late than never.
00:16:33.000 I mean, he, look, he was trying to be anti-racist.
00:16:35.000 He took his time.
00:16:38.000 It took his time.
00:16:39.000 It took him 20 years.
00:16:40.000 It took him 20 years.
00:16:42.000 And so, Greg, we're seeing this kind of new media surge, and they are ignoring it.
00:16:48.000 It's almost the confirmation of silence, as Corolla, as you said that.
00:16:52.000 And that's kind of the award ceremony, the Oscars of getting the award is when they don't mention you at all.
00:16:57.000 Exactly.
00:16:58.000 It's so fun.
00:16:59.000 It's like they had Emmy nominations for all the shows that I'm just destroying.
00:17:05.000 But it's like, what would you rather have, an Emmy or an audience?
00:17:08.000 I'll take the audience.
00:17:14.000 So, Greg, wokeism, I think, we know it's a huge problem.
00:17:18.000 It's in the military.
00:17:19.000 It's all across.
00:17:20.000 But to kind of continue on this theme, and then I want to get a little bit practical because nothing is as difficult as what we're actually saying, which is, hey, you, go be funny against the left.
00:17:31.000 Because they, well, how do I be funny?
00:17:33.000 And so in some ways, it actually happens upon itself.
00:17:36.000 Mockery and ridicule becomes very easy when they present it.
00:17:40.000 But when we look at kind of this mission, which is to defeat wokeism, which I agree, that is Greenwald, that is Rubin, and that is all these really smart people that are now talking about it.
00:17:49.000 How do we actually go about doing that?
00:17:51.000 Well, I think that, I mean, obviously, you got to do your homework.
00:17:55.000 I mean, there are people that are just naturally funny.
00:17:58.000 You know, I include myself.
00:18:00.000 I'm kidding.
00:18:01.000 I'm joking.
00:18:02.000 Or am I?
00:18:03.000 I don't know.
00:18:03.000 But you got to do your homework.
00:18:06.000 You got to keep an eye out for the absurdity on, and there's so much of it.
00:18:13.000 And then just start writing.
00:18:14.000 And remember, it's like overcoming, it's the hardest part is to overcome that fear of failure.
00:18:21.000 And I mean, I had it.
00:18:22.000 I mean, I remember when I was 25, like I had a, I could barely write advertising copy because I just didn't, I didn't like have the confidence.
00:18:32.000 But once you just start writing and you start sharing it, even if it's, you can, there's so many places to share stuff now that you have, you can, you can get good in the middle of the night.
00:18:42.000 I mean, like I did.
00:18:44.000 I mean, I was, when I started doing Red Eye, that was in the middle of the night.
00:18:46.000 Nobody was watching it, but I did it every single day until finally I knew how to like pretty much command a show, make it move quickly. 0.69
00:18:56.000 So I think the first thing to do is to is to do your homework, read, read about the idiocy, make notes when you have ideas.
00:19:03.000 And pretty soon, if you start making notes, it's really easy to construct an article. 0.83
00:19:12.000 This is what I do in the morning or whatever.
00:19:14.000 You see how many notes I have, right?
00:19:18.000 And then I'll go home and I go, I got to write a monologue. 0.94
00:19:21.000 And then I look at my notes and I go, crap, it's already written.
00:19:24.000 I just have to like, and then you flesh it out.
00:19:27.000 So it's like, I think the thing is you have to overcome this mistake that you're climbing a mountain and you're not.
00:19:33.000 You're not.
00:19:34.000 You're basically just taking one step.
00:19:37.000 It's kind of like exercise.
00:19:38.000 Like, let's say you're sitting, this is an old Scott Adams thing.
00:19:42.000 You're sitting and You don't want to go to the gym, but you're sitting on the couch.
00:19:49.000 The first thing you try to do is you go, well, what if I just move my arm?
00:19:52.000 You know, just move my arm.
00:19:53.000 What if I just stand up?
00:19:55.000 You know, what if I just walk?
00:19:57.000 Maybe I should just put on, and the next step is maybe I should just put on my gym clothes.
00:20:01.000 And then you put on your gym clothes and you go, well, you know what?
00:20:04.000 I'm still not going to the gym.
00:20:06.000 But you take things incrementally.
00:20:08.000 And pretty soon, by the time you're at the gym, you go, well, maybe I'll go in, you know?
00:20:14.000 And then you go in, you know, maybe I'll just do 10 minutes.
00:20:17.000 That's how you write.
00:20:18.000 That's how you do everything incrementally until finally, it's done.
00:20:22.000 And you're like, wow, how did I do that?
00:20:24.000 People always ask me how you write books.
00:20:26.000 That's how you write books.
00:20:28.000 You think you can't write a book?
00:20:30.000 That's BS.
00:20:32.000 Any one of you can write a book if you just stop thinking about it as a book.
00:20:37.000 Right?
00:20:38.000 Now, I'm not talking about a diary where you go, I woke up and I thought about, you know, whatever.
00:20:42.000 It is like, you know, seeing an idea or a story, writing down your thoughts, and just all of a sudden you're going to have a book.
00:20:49.000 But you have, if you see something as a mountain or a 300 or 250-page book, you're going to get nowhere.
00:20:56.000 You start out and you take those little steps.
00:20:58.000 You move the arm, you stand up, you put on your clothes.
00:21:02.000 It's kind of like the Jordan Peterson thing, you know, make you make your bed, right?
00:21:06.000 And so, Greg, you actually touched on something.
00:21:09.000 A lot of people here are ambassadors, social media influencers, but I think writing is becoming a lost art.
00:21:15.000 Talk about how writing for you was so important.
00:21:18.000 Obviously, it's how you got your start, but it seems like a lot of people want to be in front of the camera.
00:21:22.000 But writing has a, it's a, it works a totally different part of the brain.
00:21:26.000 And in fact, it helps all the other communication skills.
00:21:29.000 People, okay, I could go on forever on this one.
00:21:31.000 So, but at the end, the reason why I have so many notes is because it exercises the parts of the brain that you're using your manual dexterity, you're actually doing something physical while you're doing something mental.
00:21:48.000 When you put those things together, it actually makes the thought stronger and you're better at projecting it.
00:21:56.000 The best people on television are great writers.
00:22:00.000 And you're right.
00:22:01.000 And it's really obvious.
00:22:03.000 It's very obvious when you see somebody who's kind of glib, but not deep.
00:22:08.000 That's not a writer.
00:22:09.000 Like a Matt Lauer, right?
00:22:12.000 He's in my head because I just saw that old clip of him and Tom Cruise.
00:22:15.000 That's like, it's, you know, how Tom Cruise goes, you're glib.
00:22:19.000 And I said, and I go, yeah, he nailed it.
00:22:22.000 People, like, you can tell, you can tell writers.
00:22:25.000 And also, writing is something you, once you learn it, it's always something you can fall back on.
00:22:32.000 It's part of that talent stack.
00:22:34.000 And so let's say in any part, any job that you take, the edge that you will have over everybody by being a solid writer is immense.
00:22:43.000 Even if it's just even writing emails, intercorporate emails, newsletters, whatever, the fact that you can do it.
00:22:51.000 This is how I hired people.
00:22:53.000 Like on Red Eye, I hired Andy Levy because of his, he left comments on my Huffington Post blog.
00:23:02.000 And I was going, who is this person?
00:23:04.000 He was like, I think his name was a cranky insomniac.
00:23:07.000 And I go, wow, this guy can write.
00:23:09.000 And I mean, he's the only, I think he's the only person in history that got a job from leaving comments on a blog.
00:23:17.000 I mean, how is that possible?
00:23:19.000 So the thing is, that is a, it's a terrific thing.
00:23:22.000 Like, if you just do TV and you get canceled or whatever, what are you going to do?
00:23:27.000 You know, you're going to sell timeshares like Army Hammer.
00:23:32.000 But, or you go, or you're going to volunteer for the fire department like Chris Cuomo.
00:23:36.000 Or you can do Relief Factor ads.
00:23:38.000 By the way, how is Relief Factor?
00:23:40.000 Hey, it's 100% drug-free.
00:23:41.000 I know.
00:23:43.000 Yeah.
00:23:43.000 I still don't know what it is, but I love it.
00:23:47.000 I love it.
00:23:48.000 I love how Relief Actor has adopted the colors of the O'Reilly factor.
00:23:54.000 So when it comes on, it's going, is this a show or is this a product?
00:23:57.000 It's both.
00:24:00.000 I hear when you rub it on, you get 70% more.
00:24:02.000 It's not an ointment.
00:24:05.000 I know, it's pills.
00:24:06.000 It's capsule.
00:24:07.000 Supplements.
00:24:08.000 Supplements, exactly.
00:24:09.000 People ask me, you put it in a shake?
00:24:11.000 No, no, no.
00:24:13.000 We all got to be self-deprecating.
00:24:15.000 Exactly.
00:24:15.000 In fact, I make, it's one of the things that we talked, like, I make jokes on Fox about, you know, how much gold you have in your safe, William Devane.
00:24:24.000 Make fun of hello, what's my little pillow?
00:24:28.000 I keep calling it my little pillow.
00:24:29.000 My little pillow?
00:24:31.000 Talk about a great idea.
00:24:33.000 My little pillow.
00:24:35.000 I'm sure he's watching this somewhere.
00:24:37.000 He's going to go, why did I think of my little pillow?
00:24:39.000 It's a pillow shaped like a pony.
00:24:43.000 A pillow shaped like a pony.
00:24:47.000 I just made that guy $100 million.
00:24:51.000 But you know what?
00:24:52.000 He probably could get sued for copyright infringement, right?
00:24:55.000 I don't know, my little pony, my little pillow.
00:24:58.000 You can do that.
00:24:58.000 It's a different word.
00:25:00.000 We love Mike Lindell, by the way.
00:25:02.000 What a great American patriot.
00:25:03.000 He's terrific.
00:25:06.000 Good guy.
00:25:07.000 Hey, just promo code KirkMyPillow.com for all of you.
00:25:11.000 Keep it score at home.
00:25:13.000 25% off.
00:25:14.000 So, Greg, this is, I can't remember what the heck we were talking about.
00:25:18.000 But, oh, yeah, writing.
00:25:20.000 So, but this is, we hire a lot of people, and the skill that is hardest for us to find are people that have done the work to refine their writing.
00:25:28.000 And now, there are people that are naturally good writers.
00:25:28.000 Yeah.
00:25:31.000 Like, for example, Tucker's a phenomenal writer.
00:25:34.000 Yes, he is.
00:25:34.000 You can tell that with his monologues.
00:25:36.000 Yes.
00:25:37.000 You know, his monologues are.
00:25:38.000 Well, okay, the key to good writing is you got to look everything.
00:25:44.000 You got to look at, like, when you're done, when you write the article, it's just starting.
00:25:48.000 You know, the real fun is in the editing.
00:25:51.000 It's so much fun to chip away and see how many, it's like, it's like name that tune.
00:25:58.000 Like, oh, God, that's an old reference.
00:26:00.000 But it's, you want to get it down to the fewest words possible while expressing the sharpest point.
00:26:08.000 So the worst kind of writer, like, this is the one problem with Substack now.
00:26:12.000 Some people can't stop writing and they forgot how to edit.
00:26:16.000 But you got to like.
00:26:18.000 It just puts, no, I'm not reading this.
00:26:22.000 I don't have the time to read this.
00:26:24.000 There was a guy that wrote a huge piece trashing me, which I tend to enjoy, but I got bored.
00:26:29.000 I got bored with hearing my own name, which is so rare.
00:26:33.000 But so it's like, so you look at it like a block.
00:26:37.000 So you got this block of stone and you just start chipping away at it.
00:26:40.000 And it's so much.
00:26:41.000 I even, I'm so weird.
00:26:43.000 This is very weird.
00:26:45.000 When I'm doing, when I'm editing my monologue, so I'll write a monologue.
00:26:47.000 Let's say I send it to the production staff in the morning at about 9 a.m.
00:26:53.000 And I send it to my buddy Nick, who writes some of the jokes.
00:26:56.000 And it will be about, let's say it'll be like eight minutes long.
00:27:02.000 I want it under four.
00:27:03.000 So when it comes to, then some jokes are added, and then it's like 10 minutes, and I get in, and then I just sit there, and I must go, I must do 100 edits, like I mean, 100 reads, just like this.
00:27:15.000 Like I'm like a weirdo.
00:27:16.000 I'm like a goldfish just staring at it.
00:27:18.000 And then I get so weird that even multi-syllabic words, I want it down, I want to change that word to a single word.
00:27:27.000 Like apologize, apologize.
00:27:32.000 No, sorry.
00:27:34.000 That's how weird I get because I think really, you wanted to get it as small and as tight as possible because then you're going to get more eyeballs.
00:27:42.000 And it just feels good.
00:27:44.000 It's actually super therapeutic to edit.
00:27:48.000 Editing is more fun than writing.
00:27:50.000 Writing is hard.
00:27:53.000 And the one thing you should remember at your age, it is hard.
00:27:58.000 So don't feel that because it's hard, you can't do it.
00:28:00.000 It's hard for everybody.
00:28:02.000 Even the best writers find it difficult.
00:28:06.000 And then once you're done writing, then you take a break and you sit down and you look at it and you start editing.
00:28:11.000 And editing is fun.
00:28:13.000 You're reading it.
00:28:14.000 How can I make this sentence better?
00:28:16.000 Should there be a joke in there?
00:28:18.000 Did I forget to put a joke at the end of that?
00:28:20.000 Ooh, what if I did this thing?
00:28:22.000 Like, there's a one of my mentors, Mark Bricklin, he was the editor-in-chief of Prevention Magazine and created Men's Health Magazine where I was editor in the late 90s.
00:28:33.000 He had this thing called the hotspot.
00:28:35.000 He's now passed away from COVID.
00:28:38.000 And he had a thing called the hotspot, which meant that in every paragraph in your article, when you're reading it, there has to be something that goes, the reader goes, whoa, I didn't know that.
00:28:52.000 Could be a weird statistic, just an unusual fact, something funny.
00:28:59.000 But if you read it, so the point being, it's an editing technique.
00:29:04.000 If you're reading a paragraph and there's no hotspot in it, it's not so much that you have to add one.
00:29:10.000 Just get rid of the paragraph.
00:29:12.000 Just go, it's gone.
00:29:13.000 No one's going to miss it.
00:29:15.000 No one misses things they don't read.
00:29:18.000 So, like, I have to do this with jokes.
00:29:20.000 I'll go, like, I like this joke, or this joke's too risque.
00:29:24.000 But it's like I realize no one's going to know if it's gone, but you have to make everything interesting.
00:29:30.000 So I want it to, you know, so that's that's the thing.
00:29:33.000 This is valuable advice.
00:29:34.000 I should be charging you.
00:29:36.000 Wait, I am.
00:29:37.000 I am.
00:29:38.000 I almost forgot.
00:29:40.000 So, so, Greg, were you always a good writer?
00:29:43.000 I think that I was very, I was very creative.
00:29:46.000 And yes, I guess I was, but I wasn't, I was a writer, but I wasn't a good writer until I gained confidence.
00:29:57.000 So, writing is creativity plus confidence.
00:29:59.000 The reason I ask, and I just want to hammer this home: if you're looking for what you want to do in life, if you are able to be an above-average writer, it is a universal skill.
00:30:07.000 Even if you work in an HR department, you have to be able to list off people's pronouns and have the hotspot in the paragraph and your disclaimer in the email.
00:30:16.000 The point is, no matter what you do in life, writing will help you.
00:30:19.000 Also, and let's say you are a great writer.
00:30:22.000 Let's say somebody in here is an amazing writer.
00:30:26.000 That's not enough.
00:30:26.000 I'm going to use one of Scott Adams' phrases, which is the talent stack.
00:30:31.000 Develop two other things, right?
00:30:35.000 If you don't rely on the fact that you're a great writer, find two other things.
00:30:40.000 Maybe you take speaking classes.
00:30:43.000 Maybe you join, what's that thing?
00:30:45.000 What's the Toastmasters?
00:30:47.000 I had friends at Toastmasters.
00:30:48.000 I used to make fun of it.
00:30:49.000 But you know what Toastmasters is for?
00:30:51.000 It's to get over the fear of speaking in front of people.
00:30:56.000 There's another, what's the famous book, How to Win Friends?
00:31:00.000 How to Win Friends and Influence People.
00:31:02.000 Yeah, what's the guy's name?
00:31:04.000 Carnegie.
00:31:05.000 Carnegie Courses, right?
00:31:06.000 I never did them.
00:31:07.000 But all of these, these things sound hokey, but they're designed for people who are scared of talking in front of other people.
00:31:15.000 And the people who take these courses, they work.
00:31:18.000 Trust me.
00:31:19.000 So now you're a good writer, and now you can speak in front of people.
00:31:23.000 That's two.
00:31:24.000 Maybe you go to the gym because you want to be presentable, right?
00:31:28.000 You want to be presentable.
00:31:30.000 You don't like, there's a lot of, like, how can you, how can Brian Stelter show up on CNN?
00:31:35.000 How can you get up and go, I'm going to go and present myself like this?
00:31:39.000 Dude, remember that time he took a picture of himself in his underwear during the clampdown shutdown?
00:31:47.000 And he's like, this thing goes, aren't you married?
00:31:51.000 You are embarrassing your wife. 0.84
00:31:53.000 Anyway, my point being is: okay, now you have three.
00:31:56.000 You can write, you can present yourself physically, you can speak in public.
00:32:02.000 There you go.
00:32:03.000 Those three things put together create charisma, right?
00:32:07.000 All of a sudden, you're like, who's this person who's in great shape, who can talk a dog off a meat truck, you know?
00:32:15.000 And he writes.
00:32:19.000 That's Jesse Waters.
00:32:20.000 That's Jesse Waters.
00:32:23.000 You're welcome for that.
00:32:25.000 You know what?
00:32:26.000 No, he's good.
00:32:27.000 He's going to like when Google searches his name, which he does.
00:32:33.000 That'll come up and you know, coming up in a transcript.
00:32:36.000 Charlie Kirk, Greg Gutfeld, Jesse Waters.
00:32:39.000 And he'll go, oh, wow, they said I was a great writer. 1.00
00:32:41.000 And then I'm going to just say, he's also a big jerk. 1.00
00:32:44.000 So he'll see that as well. 0.99
00:32:47.000 And he's using his back surgery as an excuse to get off work on Fridays.
00:32:53.000 During, get this, what a coincidence, during the summer.
00:32:57.000 Never in February.
00:32:58.000 Yeah, he doesn't take the Fridays off for his back in the wintertime.
00:33:02.000 That's the other.
00:33:03.000 Oh, the other thing, if you're going to do anything in television, and the reason for the, we talked about this last year.
00:33:10.000 The reason for the success of the five and why it's failed everywhere else is the introduction of teasing into television.
00:33:18.000 I don't know any other show besides like maybe the Comedy Central Rose, but that's different.
00:33:23.000 That's designed.
00:33:24.000 This is not designed for that.
00:33:26.000 This was a political talk show.
00:33:28.000 They didn't know that when I sat down there 11 years ago, the first thing I did was insult Dana.
00:33:34.000 And then that created chemistry.
00:33:36.000 And then Beckle.
00:33:38.000 All of a sudden, it's like everybody, it shows genuine affection when you make fun of somebody.
00:33:44.000 I love Jessica Tarloff.
00:33:45.000 I adore her.
00:33:46.000 She's so smart and so funny.
00:33:48.000 And I just have to pick on her constantly.
00:33:51.000 Like I'm in third grade and I'm pulling her pigtails.
00:33:54.000 And I think that, like, when you see people not teasing each other, they can't stand each other.
00:34:01.000 You know, when they're just like this, they go, but they could lie.
00:34:04.000 They can go, Charlie, congratulate.
00:34:07.000 You're the best example.
00:34:07.000 Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo, when they used to do the traitor, hey, I love your brother.
00:34:11.000 Remember that stuff?
00:34:12.000 I love you.
00:34:13.000 So this is my favorite part.
00:34:14.000 Don Lemon would go to Chris Cuomo, I love you, brother.
00:34:16.000 And he goes, I love you, brother.
00:34:18.000 Then when Cuomo gets fired, the first thing Don Lemon does is stab Chris Cuomo in their meetings.
00:34:26.000 He's like, what did he say?
00:34:27.000 He goes, you know, how did this happen?
00:34:31.000 How did Chris Cuomo get away with so much?
00:34:33.000 Something like that.
00:34:34.000 And it's like, you. 0.84
00:34:35.000 I knew you were a fake, but I didn't realize you were this obvious.
00:34:39.000 You know, but anyway, so teasing is also extremely important.
00:34:42.000 So, Greg, can I say one more thing?
00:34:48.000 So I came up with a sentence.
00:34:50.000 I was trying to explain this to a friend of mine, but I think he thought I was drunk.
00:34:55.000 So talk while I'm looking for this.
00:34:57.000 Do you remember your iPhone password, Greg?
00:34:59.000 Yes, I do, but I gotta find it.
00:35:00.000 I said this to myself.
00:35:02.000 I said this to myself last night to do as a one more thing.
00:35:06.000 And okay, hold on.
00:35:08.000 It's gonna be worth it.
00:35:09.000 You are going to like this?
00:35:10.000 All right.
00:35:11.000 This is a light.
00:35:13.000 No, that's me drunk.
00:35:16.000 All right.
00:35:17.000 I can't find it, but I'm going to try to do it for memory.
00:35:22.000 Okay, repeat this after me.
00:35:24.000 Okay, I'm going to say, it's important to be writing on the mountain.
00:35:32.000 All right, this is how 70% of young people say it.
00:35:35.000 It's important to be writing on a mountain.
00:35:41.000 Where the hell did the T's go?
00:35:44.000 What is with this generation and hating the letter T?
00:35:48.000 It's important to be writing on the mountain.
00:35:54.000 Not, it's important.
00:35:55.000 It's like so important to be writing on the mountain.
00:36:00.000 All the Peloton, all the Peloton instructors do not pronounce their T's.
00:36:07.000 When I go to Berkeley, they say, so you're part of Yearning Aunt USA?
00:36:12.000 What are you involved in?
00:36:13.000 I love that.
00:36:14.000 See, that I could look.
00:36:17.000 The combination of vocal fries, the up speak, the missing T.
00:36:21.000 The up is, it's so fake.
00:36:23.000 Yes, it's incredible.
00:36:24.000 If you are escalating your octave as the sentence continues.
00:36:28.000 But you know, the weird thing about the missing T, you will now notice it wherever you go, and you might start doing it.
00:36:35.000 And it drives me crazy because I've done it.
00:36:38.000 Because there's something weird.
00:36:39.000 It has to do with a T before an N. Like, okay, written, T-E-N, important, T-A-N-T, right? 0.58
00:36:48.000 A-N-T. 1.00
00:36:49.000 And then mountain, T-A-I-N. 1.00
00:36:51.000 So you can see, do you see the, do you see, linguistically, no one's pointed this out.
00:36:56.000 This is like a brilliant perception.
00:36:57.000 Thank you, Greg.
00:37:00.000 You people don't care.
00:37:01.000 Why did I even come here?
00:37:04.000 So I'm going to go slightly over time and Greg can penalize me later.
00:37:11.000 I am, it was my fault for looking at my phone.
00:37:13.000 No, it's okay.
00:37:14.000 So super quick, audience of students, 5,000 students across the country, just advice to young people, you know, not just career advice, life advice.
00:37:22.000 Yes.
00:37:23.000 I think the most important is to find a mountain to write on.
00:37:29.000 No, okay.
00:37:30.000 You asked me a question last year, which I thought I answered fairly well, but I always now include it wherever I go.
00:37:38.000 Somebody asked, how do I deal with being outnumbered on campus?
00:37:43.000 Like when I have ideas and I'm in a classroom situation and they're like either mocking me or they're not taking me seriously or they say this, you don't really believe that, do you?
00:37:58.000 How can you believe that?
00:38:00.000 So I wrote down two sentences that I always use.
00:38:04.000 Because this is the advice.
00:38:05.000 When somebody, when you're in that situation, the first one you do, you say, why does it bother you so much that I don't join you?
00:38:13.000 That's the first one.
00:38:15.000 Second one is.
00:38:18.000 Second one is, have you ever asked yourself why I'm willing to make my life more difficult by joining you?
00:38:26.000 It's the most important question.
00:38:28.000 And I tell you, if they think about that too much, they join you.
00:38:34.000 It's never the reverse.
00:38:36.000 Yeah.
00:38:37.000 Why don't you ask yourself, geez, I forgot.
00:38:41.000 It's written down there, Greg.
00:38:42.000 I know, but I said it better than it was here.
00:38:44.000 Why don't you ask yourself why I am making my life more difficult by not agreeing with you or by not joining you? 1.00
00:38:55.000 And it's like, I don't think now they might say, because you're stupid. 1.00
00:38:59.000 Because you hate yourself. 1.00
00:39:00.000 You hate yourself. 1.00
00:39:01.000 Because you're racist. 1.00
00:39:04.000 There you go. 1.00
00:39:04.000 And then you say, F off. 1.00
00:39:06.000 That's the third one.
00:39:07.000 See, you notice I censored myself.
00:39:09.000 There you go.
00:39:10.000 You censor yourself.
00:39:11.000 So, everybody, 5,000 students across the country, amazing.
00:39:15.000 Greg, I just want to say you do such a phenomenal job every night.
00:39:18.000 And, you know, it's incredible to see the impact you're making and through comedy and through wittiness and through charm.
00:39:26.000 And I know a lot of our students look up to you.
00:39:28.000 And that is going to be really the way that we defeat the left.
00:39:31.000 Any final thoughts, Greg?
00:39:32.000 No, I think you're doing a great job.
00:39:34.000 And I mean, this didn't exist for me when I was your age.
00:39:38.000 So, I mean, this is, you saw, again, like my show, you saw a hole and you said, I'm going to fill it.
00:39:44.000 And that's exactly what you did.
00:39:46.000 And then he's going to be on my show tomorrow.
00:39:51.000 So be sure and watch.
00:39:53.000 Tell friends about my show.
00:39:55.000 It's growing.
00:39:56.000 And thanks so much, man.
00:39:58.000 Greg Gufeld, everybody.
00:40:00.000 Thank you.
00:40:05.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
00:40:07.000 As always, email me your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:40:09.000 Thank you so much for listening.
00:40:11.000 God bless.
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