The Charlie Kirk Show - October 23, 2023


Why The Young Are Turning On Israel


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Why do so many young people hate Israel? Why do they not support it? Why is it that so many people in their 60s, 70s, and 80s have a zeal for Israel, and yet younger people do not?

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00:00:02.000 Why do young people hate Israel?
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00:01:14.000 I'm getting asked frequently, Charlie, why is it that so many young people don't support Israel?
00:01:18.000 What's going on here?
00:01:20.000 Well, there's a CNN poll that I want to focus on for one second.
00:01:23.000 81% of people 65 years and older, 81% support Israel's military response to Hamas.
00:01:32.000 And it goes down from there.
00:01:34.000 81% of 65-year-olds, 56% of 50 to 64-year-olds.
00:01:40.000 And then you go to 35 to 49-year-olds, 44% gets into a minority.
00:01:44.000 And only 27% of people age 18 to 34 support Israel.
00:01:50.000 What's going on here?
00:01:52.000 There is a massive generational divide.
00:01:54.000 This is a CNN SSRS poll.
00:01:56.000 And I know some of you say, Charlie, we don't like CNN polls.
00:01:59.000 I got to be honest, I think this is very accurate based on my experience speaking on college campuses, speaking to the next generation, talking to baby boomers. 0.80
00:02:07.000 It's an 81% of people that are baby boomers support Israel.
00:02:10.000 27% that are Gen Z or early millennial do not support Israel.
00:02:17.000 So what causes this?
00:02:19.000 Well, there's a couple explanations.
00:02:21.000 There's a critique from the right, which is not as significant, but rather loud.
00:02:28.000 And then there's a critique from the left.
00:02:30.000 But first, let's start with what most baby boomers believe.
00:02:35.000 So, and I don't mean this in a negative way.
00:02:37.000 Whenever I even say the term baby boomer, I get so much hate mail.
00:02:41.000 It's unbelievable, as if it doesn't exist.
00:02:43.000 It's probably the most controversial thing I say is ever even explain why baby boomers believe something. 0.95
00:02:49.000 So baby boomers believe that Israel is America's greatest ally. 0.69
00:02:54.000 Baby boomers generally believe that Israel is an extension of the United States and that we must defend our interests via Israel. 0.90
00:03:02.000 In fact, many believe that Israel is in America's best interest. 0.79
00:03:08.000 There's a significant portion of Christian baby boomers that believe that the Bible states clearly that Israel will come back together.
00:03:18.000 That was post-1948 out of exile.
00:03:21.000 And that the end times will occur in a time and a place, specifically in Israel.
00:03:26.000 This is a belief that is held by Pastor Hagee.
00:03:29.000 We'll play a tape from him.
00:03:30.000 We played it earlier.
00:03:31.000 A lot of American Christians hold that belief.
00:03:35.000 There's also a belief that Israel's enemies are America's enemies.
00:03:39.000 81% of people over the age of 65 would be outspokenly pro-Israel.
00:03:45.000 And you see this reflected in our politics.
00:03:47.000 Republican leaders, even the ones that are the most skeptical of foreign intervention, have been outspokenly pro-Israel, largely because their constituents are pro-Israel.
00:03:59.000 I just came from the state of Missouri.
00:04:01.000 You could see it very clearly, anything I said that was pro-Israel.
00:04:05.000 People over the age of 60 or 70, enthusiastically on board for helping Israel, sending support, and sending arms.
00:04:13.000 So there's this massive generational divide.
00:04:15.000 Why is it that people in their 60s, 70s, and 80s are 10 out of 10 have a zeal for Israel, and yet younger people do not.
00:04:25.000 What's going on here?
00:04:26.000 Well, first, let's talk about support, the reason from the left.
00:04:31.000 From the left, young people, younger people on high school and college campuses, are taught to view the world through oppressor and oppressed prisms.
00:04:41.000 That if there's any, if there's ever anybody suffering, they're not suffering because of their own choices.
00:04:46.000 They're not suffering because of anything they've done.
00:04:49.000 They're suffering or they are not succeeding and they are not thriving because of a zero-sum morality, because somebody else is oppressing them.
00:04:58.000 So they see that Gaza or the Gaza Strip or Hamas or the Palestinian Authority or what they call Palestinians are not doing well.
00:05:07.000 Therefore, it must be Israel's fault. 1.00
00:05:10.000 It plays into intersectional politics, right?
00:05:12.000 For example, this is the same belief system and the same mentality when you look at black America. 0.95
00:05:18.000 You look at black America and it's not because black men abandon the women that they impregnate. 0.99
00:05:23.000 It's not because black men commit 60% of all the murders in America. 0.98
00:05:27.000 It's not because black culture glorifies single motherhood. 0.99
00:05:31.000 It's because of the white guy and white supremacy. 0.94
00:05:34.000 So it is oppressor type narrative.
00:05:36.000 You see a group that is not succeeding, that is not thriving, that is not flourishing, and it must be somebody else's fault, not their own fault.
00:05:47.000 So Gaza could be rich if they wanted to. 0.98
00:05:50.000 The Palestinian Authority could use all this aid to build a functioning and thriving economy, defend private property rights, to liberalize in the best possible way their markets.
00:06:02.000 Young people in America see that Gaza is terrible and they don't think, oh, it's because it's run by Hamas, a horrible terrorist group that kills babies.
00:06:12.000 Instead, they say, it's because Israel hates them for no reason. 0.99
00:06:16.000 And those filthy Jews, as they would say in air quotes, are the scapegoat for the failing Arab government. 1.00
00:06:24.000 And you understand that when you look at the trans issue, the Black Lives Matter issue, and then yes, geopolitics through that lens, it is zero sum. 0.99
00:06:34.000 And so you see this massive divide with activists on college campuses.
00:06:39.000 They think that the people of Gaza, no matter how hard they try, no matter how much energy they put into it, they can never succeed because of Israel.
00:06:50.000 They believe that Israel is the architect of the oppressive system, and America and the West is the enabler.
00:06:59.000 They believe that Israel legally was founded through the same term that they criticize America from, colonialism.
00:07:07.000 Now, I've spent a fair amount of time in pro-Israel circles, being outspokenly pro-Israel.
00:07:14.000 I've spent time around left-wing Jewish activists and right-wing Jewish activists, and then people that are more in the middle.
00:07:21.000 And I remember a conversation I had four or five years ago.
00:07:24.000 It was a pro-Israel type conference, and I was invited to speak as a Christian conservative.
00:07:30.000 And I'd had some sidebar conversations, and this was a moderate middle-of-the-road Jewish donor.
00:07:35.000 And he said, Charlie, what we need to do is win over young liberals for Israel.
00:07:40.000 And we could do that through showing that Israel has, you know, gay pride parades and that they're most open to all the LGBT stuff.
00:07:47.000 And I said, you're really not viewing the issue correctly.
00:07:50.000 That as long as young people view the world through oppressor and oppressed lenses or that prism or that kind of binary choice, they will never support Israel. 0.56
00:08:01.000 Ever.
00:08:02.000 They'll never support Israel as long as they view things through a postmodern Marxist type perspective.
00:08:12.000 They look at Israel as an oppressor and they believe that all action against oppressors is justified. 0.56
00:08:20.000 That's why when Hamas goes and kills 1,300 people, when Hamas goes and beheads babies, they'll go back to a thinker by the name of Frantz Fanon, who's an anti-colonialist type intellectual from the Caribbean, who said that decolonization means the replacement of one species by another.
00:08:45.000 This is someone who is supported by almost every major college across the country, and he believes that all violence is justified.
00:08:53.000 That if you are an oppressed group, that you could do whatever is necessary. 0.95
00:08:58.000 That they think that Hamas is defending themselves by going around massively raping, killing children, taking hostages, cutting people's heads off. 0.88
00:09:09.000 This is the ideology of the next generation of America. 0.82
00:09:13.000 It's the ideology that you'll see at Harvard and Princeton and Yale and Stanford.
00:09:17.000 It's the ideology that is supported when you send your kid to college.
00:09:22.000 It is not some sort of one-off fringe mentality, and this will not get better with time.
00:09:27.000 This is indoctrinated from a fundamental perspective because it goes down to something that is so critically important.
00:09:35.000 They do not want to tell the black community, tell the Gazans, tell whomever is complaining, stop complaining and get your life together. 0.92
00:09:47.000 No, that would be white supremacist. 0.95
00:09:50.000 Instead, they'll play into the complaints.
00:09:53.000 They will weaponize those complaints to use it for political power, political expediency, to try and shed off the quote-unquote colonization and occupation.
00:10:04.000 And in real time, you are seeing wealthy older Jews shocked that all these hundreds of millions and billions of dollars that they gave to left-wing institutions, deep down, they actually hate them too. 0.82
00:10:19.000 They've been funding the West's suicide and funding the suicide of the Jewish people. 0.99
00:10:25.000 So that's the predominant critique from the younger generation towards Israel.
00:10:32.000 But it's not as partisan as you might think.
00:10:35.000 When I go to these college campuses, I would say a majority of the critiques towards Israel actually come from the right.
00:10:44.000 I would say that people that self-identify as conservatives are the ones that are actually the most vocal against Israel.
00:10:52.000 And their critique is very different than that from the left.
00:10:56.000 They do not engage in oppressor-oppressor type narratives.
00:11:00.000 They're not saying, oh, the poor Gaza people that are being oppressed.
00:11:04.000 It's very different.
00:11:06.000 And it starts from this perspective.
00:11:09.000 And I've been trying to, you know, I've been getting a lot of text messages and quite honestly, not being listened to by people that are in the pro-Israel space, both Christians and Jews.
00:11:20.000 And I'm like, you guys have a serious problem.
00:11:22.000 The American right is turning its back on Israel from the rank and file.
00:11:26.000 Not that they hate Jews, it's just there's not exactly an outreach method, or it's not very persuasive.
00:11:34.000 I'll tell you why.
00:11:35.000 Okay, so first is this, is that with The emergence of America First, there has been this belief that I share, by the way, that when your own country is falling apart, why do we care so much about foreign countries?
00:11:52.000 And I'll read this email.
00:11:54.000 Alex says, I support Israel's right to exist and fight back, but we have our own problems, the southern border being the biggest, our corrupt government being extremely important in the upcoming elections. 0.95
00:12:04.000 I don't need to hear about Israel.
00:12:05.000 They're big boys and can take care of themselves.
00:12:07.000 We don't need to be part of a 2,000-year war.
00:12:10.000 So the critique is largely this: that supporting Israel is not in America's best interest.
00:12:16.000 Instead, they say our alliance with Israel has hurt us.
00:12:20.000 And this critique comes from a variety of different ways.
00:12:22.000 They will mention the USS Liberty, when the Israeli government shot an American aircraft carrier and killed American service members.
00:12:32.000 Accidentally, might I add.
00:12:34.000 And there was a lot of controversy that followed that.
00:12:37.000 They will also mention at times whether or not Israel is undermining allegedly American national security interests abroad.
00:12:46.000 They will mention Jonathan Pollard, for example.
00:12:50.000 Another one that will be mentioned from the critiques that come from the right is that Israel has spied on us, which is true. 1.00
00:12:57.000 They've also mentioned that the Israeli government was the main reason that Bin Laden put in his letter as to why he did 9-11.
00:13:07.000 Bin Laden wrote a letter after 9-11, acknowledging that he did, in fact, plan 9-11, saying that he cited other reasons to be clear, but Israel, he said, was the main reason why he attacked America and the connection between Israel and America.
00:13:25.000 Now, understand, as we take a step back here, I'm not saying I believe any of this.
00:13:30.000 I'm simply articulating the landscape as it stands right now.
00:13:35.000 And I call balls and strikes as I see it.
00:13:37.000 And I was on a text message thread with some very pro-Israel activists, and I tried to warn them.
00:13:42.000 I said, You guys realize you're losing the American right very quickly. 0.64
00:13:47.000 And they said, No, we're not stronger than ever.
00:13:50.000 I said, Okay, just trying to caution you guys.
00:13:54.000 And the other reason as to why some people are weakening in their support or lessening in their support of Israel is that there's almost this standard that it can never be enough.
00:14:06.000 And I certainly experienced this the last week and a half.
00:14:09.000 And I put this in my tweet: after a decade of pro-Israel activism, after defending Israel and its right to exist and its sovereignty, debating students for justice of Palestine, sending students to Israel, hosting a young Jewish leadership summit, going to Israel for the embassy opening, being accused of being a Jewish shill. 0.51
00:14:29.000 I have a 90-second piece of tape with Patrick Bett David that I support 100% what I said, questioning whether or not there was an intel failure and whether or not people in the Israeli intelligence knew this was going to happen, of which the Axios article supported my belief.
00:14:43.000 And I was called a Holocaust denier, attacked by Jews like you wouldn't believe. 1.00
00:14:48.000 And I put in my tweet, I said, if this is the way you're going to treat your allies, good luck.
00:14:55.000 Doesn't exactly make me want to go all in for that issue.
00:14:59.000 Now, has it changed my beliefs?
00:15:01.000 No, of course not.
00:15:03.000 Backlash will never change my beliefs. 0.73
00:15:06.000 Does it soften my intensity of support because I feel as if all that work that I put in over the last 11 years gets me treated like trash and garbage?
00:15:16.000 Yes, it does.
00:15:17.000 People that days before were saying how pro-Israel I was see a single 90-second clip and they say, I'm the enemy.
00:15:28.000 I say, sure.
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00:17:28.000 So last evening on Life Liberty Levin, the great one, Mark Levin's program, mega church pastor John Hagee appeared on Fox News to lay out the case as to why we should support Israel.
00:17:40.000 Now, to be clear, I agree with him theologically on this, but this is unpersuasive for younger audiences that don't believe in God at all, let alone believe in the inerrancy of scripture.
00:17:52.000 Young people find this line of thinking unpersuasive.
00:17:56.000 In fact, they find it rather repulsive.
00:17:59.000 But this is the argument that is being made that is not resonating.
00:18:03.000 Younger people on both the right and the left, but more the left than the right, obviously, they don't believe in any God.
00:18:08.000 They worship at the golden calf of secular humanism.
00:18:12.000 Play cut 12, please.
00:18:14.000 The fact is there is a God, and that God is a creator.
00:18:19.000 And that God in Genesis 1 and 1 created the heavens and the earth.
00:18:23.000 Since he created the heavens and the earth, he is the owner.
00:18:27.000 And as owner, he has rights.
00:18:30.000 And he, as owner, has given to the Jewish people, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, their covenant with them that they should own this land forever.
00:18:45.000 That covenant is recorded in the Bible more than 20 times, and it remains their property to this day. 0.98
00:18:54.000 That covenant with God has never been broken and it still stands.
00:18:59.000 The people who are saying the land does not belong to Israel do not believe in the God of heaven and they do not believe the Bible as the word of God.
00:19:11.000 God gave to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob a written contract and covenant in the word of God many times for those who are slow to get the message that this land belongs to the seed of Abraham forever and forever.
00:19:30.000 End of story.
00:19:32.000 So America was almost 100% Protestant when it was founded.
00:19:36.000 It's less than 50% Protestant today, and some of those liberal Methodists.
00:19:41.000 So the argument works with fewer and fewer people.
00:19:44.000 Do not believe the Bible is a lot of America today.
00:19:46.000 Now, let me give you an example of exactly what I'm talking about here.
00:19:49.000 So I sent out a tweet, very nuanced, by the way, talking about how Israel sent bombs to Gaza.
00:19:56.000 And let's just say accidentally, as a consequence of war, it hit a church and killed Christians. 0.61
00:20:05.000 Okay?
00:20:06.000 I sent out that tweet, and a Jewish writer just texted, and by the way, killed members of Justin Amasha's family.
00:20:13.000 And this person texted, really?
00:20:15.000 Feeling very let down by Charlie recently, text to our producer.
00:20:19.000 So you can't mourn the death of Christians in Gaza, even though I am a Christian and it's an ancient Christian church without people that are pro-Israel and Jewish texting our team saying that Charlie is letting us down.
00:20:36.000 I'm not going to say who sent that text, but that is a perfect example as to why the American right is going to retreat away from the Israel issue.
00:20:45.000 So I'm getting text messages saying that we should get an answer about what happened.
00:20:51.000 Why did Israel bomb a church?
00:20:52.000 Did it not?
00:20:53.000 It looks like it didn't.
00:20:56.000 And they say it's under investigation.
00:20:57.000 I'm probably on Israel's side here.
00:20:59.000 The Christians did die, and it was a thousand-old church.
00:21:02.000 Israel should send out a press release and just say, look, this is terrible.
00:21:06.000 It's war.
00:21:07.000 It's not intentional.
00:21:09.000 We're going to do everything we can not to hit religious sites. 0.99
00:21:12.000 They sent out an apology for targeting Egyptian sites.
00:21:15.000 And just to be clear, this is the other part of it, which is just hilarious.
00:21:18.000 Let me just read some of these other emails.
00:21:21.000 Charlie, it was not an accident that the USS Liberty was attacked because they dressed up like Muslims. 1.00
00:21:26.000 So you think that they were Egyptians because they wanted to take Nasser out. 0.82
00:21:30.000 That's the way they work.
00:21:31.000 Thou shalt make war by deception.
00:21:32.000 That's the Mossad model. 0.74
00:21:34.000 Basically, I'm getting hate mail simultaneously saying, how dare you say the USS Liberty was an accidental attack from the Israeli government?
00:21:43.000 It's a tragedy nonetheless.
00:21:45.000 Intentions, we can find out.
00:21:47.000 I mean, if there's proof, then so be it.
00:21:52.000 When you take a moderate position, nobody is happy.
00:21:55.000 Nobody is happy.
00:21:57.000 Another one right here.
00:21:59.000 Charlie, the USS Liberty incident was an attack intentional on behalf of the Israeli government to the United States.
00:22:04.000 Okay, got it.
00:22:06.000 But let me just add another element to this, which I don't think a lot of pro-Israel advocates understand, which is that being pro-Israel is still a majority position on the American right.
00:22:20.000 But the American right has changed in the last five or ten years.
00:22:25.000 The American right is de-emphasizing foreign conflicts, especially while our own country is collapsing.
00:22:33.000 And the failure to read the room, I think, is a mistake.
00:22:38.000 I can tell you right now, amongst our constituency, our audience, there's a pro-Israel sentiment, of which there should be.
00:22:46.000 There should be.
00:22:47.000 Israel was not attacked.
00:22:50.000 Jewish people were massacred and targeted for a genocide.
00:22:53.000 We should stand with civilization.
00:22:57.000 We should stand with decency.
00:22:59.000 We should side against terrorism.
00:23:01.000 This is not controversial.
00:23:03.000 At the same time, though, there are purity tests that are being put forward that are turning people off.
00:23:16.000 They're turning people off.
00:23:19.000 Let me go a level deeper, though.
00:23:20.000 When young conservatives are criticizing Israel, they want to ask the question, why is this in our national interest?
00:23:33.000 Why are we in, why are we involved in this conflict?
00:23:40.000 Now, this should not be a hard PR war for Israel to fight.
00:23:47.000 And honestly, my heart goes out for Israel in the sense that they're up against the United Nations.
00:23:52.000 They're up against Reuters.
00:23:53.000 They are lying.
00:23:54.000 I mean, just look at the hospital situation.
00:23:57.000 That alone, people probably still believe that Israel bombed a hospital, and it just wasn't true.
00:24:02.000 It was not true.
00:24:03.000 It was a lie.
00:24:05.000 But my advice for whatever it's worth, and obviously I am not listened to, is if the Israeli government wanted to win over the PR war, they would gather their allies.
00:24:18.000 They would not go troll Gigi Hadid on social media.
00:24:24.000 Understand that they're up against the worst people in the world. 0.95
00:24:27.000 Hamas is ISIS in terms of how repulsive and evil they are.
00:24:32.000 Look at what they're up against in our own government, in our own government.
00:24:36.000 Let's play cut seven.
00:24:39.000 I want to say how insane and painful and scary it is to work and serve in a space where we have a member in our caucus say all Muslims are responsible for this and not a single condemnation comes from our caucus leadership or any member of Congress.
00:25:06.000 How is it that we are serving in a body, serving in a body where there are members who condemn us for asking for peace, for ceasefire, the most simplest thing.
00:25:22.000 I mean, she's just screaming.
00:25:23.000 And by the way, this is where I have a very moderate view on some of these things.
00:25:29.000 And that's the way you should be.
00:25:30.000 You should use prudence, which is practical judgment, prudentia in the word of the Greeks.
00:25:36.000 Elon, time out.
00:25:38.000 You don't get to cry when Israel retaliates after they launch a war.
00:25:45.000 Okay?
00:25:46.000 Sorry.
00:25:47.000 That's not the way it works.
00:25:49.000 Like somebody sent me a video this morning and they said, Charlie, look at the devastation in Gaza.
00:25:54.000 And I'm kind of like, wait, hold on, time out.
00:25:57.000 Bombing churches, you got a question from me.
00:26:00.000 And yes, they put their headquarters near them.
00:26:02.000 That's a real thing.
00:26:03.000 But honestly, broadly, you don't get to declare war and then play the victim afterwards.
00:26:09.000 That's not the way this works, okay?
00:26:11.000 Germany got destroyed in World War II.
00:26:13.000 They started the war.
00:26:14.000 Japan got destroyed in World War II.
00:26:16.000 This is why leadership is such a responsibility.
00:26:20.000 And the leader of Gaza, the leaders are terrorists. 1.00
00:26:24.000 And so then they get to go kill Jews and then play the victim. 0.99
00:26:27.000 That's not the way this works.
00:26:28.000 And the media is playing into it, whitewashing this entire thing, which then goes to the next question, which I don't want to dwell too much on, which is, I do not think currently Israel has the stomach nor the PR support or the international support to do a ground invasion.
00:26:45.000 I just don't.
00:26:46.000 Without this sparking a regional war, even though they are morally justified to do so, of course they are.
00:26:55.000 I mean, just look at the backlash and how the media is covering a targeted bombing campaign.
00:27:02.000 Honestly, one of my favorite verses is in Ecclesiastes, because I'm getting attacked right now.
00:27:07.000 Charlie, you're a Jewish shill. 1.00
00:27:09.000 And I'm getting text messages saying, Charlie, you are a Holocaust denier. 0.93
00:27:13.000 We're getting both right now.
00:27:15.000 The man who fears God will avoid all extremes.
00:27:18.000 Ecclesiastes 7, 18.
00:27:21.000 Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes.
00:27:23.000 What a beautiful book Ecclesiastes is.
00:27:29.000 Both, by the way, everything we should be asking is: we should be on the side of America, the side of civilization, and the side of decency.
00:27:38.000 And honestly, if we are on Israel's side, which we are, and they did indeed bomb a church, isn't it in their best interest to receive some tough love and say, hey, guys, don't do that.
00:27:52.000 And if you're going to do a ground invasion, be extra careful because the number one constituency that supports you are American Christians. 0.98
00:28:00.000 That's actually helpful.
00:28:01.000 And they didn't target a church.
00:28:02.000 I want to be very clear.
00:28:03.000 A rocket was near it and it hit it and Christians died. 0.60
00:28:06.000 It's a tragedy.
00:28:07.000 It's part of war.
00:28:09.000 But that sort of feedback, I think, is important.
00:28:14.000 And then yet I get it's really unfolding in real time.
00:28:19.000 Just kind of the irrationality that is seeping in.
00:28:23.000 I want to hear from you.
00:28:25.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:28:27.000 That's freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:28:29.000 Bottom line is this: Israel has to up their PR game. 0.79
00:28:32.000 I'm saying this with advice and counsel and also caution and warning that they might be turning off their greatest allies, American Christians here. 0.98
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00:29:21.000 So let me just vocalize one other attack from the American right, which are two things.
00:29:28.000 Some people on the American right say, wait a second, is this really God's chosen holy land with the amount of gay pride parades and all that?
00:29:38.000 Now, I'm not saying that's a good argument.
00:29:39.000 I'm just saying I hear it a lot.
00:29:41.000 Where some people on the American right will say, spare me the kind of this is the holy land when it has become an increasingly secular version of America.
00:29:51.000 That is something I hear quite often.
00:29:54.000 And people then ask the question: what is Israel?
00:29:58.000 Is it Israel the nation as it's formed in post-1948?
00:30:03.000 Is Israel the new Christian church? 0.89
00:30:05.000 Is it the Jewish people?
00:30:06.000 I'm not a theologian.
00:30:07.000 We're going to have Jack Hibbs on.
00:30:09.000 He'll answer that question.
00:30:10.000 But there's a fair amount of confusion.
00:30:13.000 But you put all of this together, and you have older Americans that are overwhelmingly supportive of Israel and younger Americans that are overwhelmingly opposed to Israel.
00:30:25.000 It's creating this massive generational divide.
00:30:29.000 And it's not getting better for Israel.
00:30:31.000 As the days go on, that support is actually weakening.
00:30:35.000 And I will say, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:30:38.000 Some of the people that there's so many contradictions on the left.
00:30:41.000 They're all for some on the left are like for AOC, all on board descending aid for Ukraine against Russia, but then she has all this nuance when it comes to Israel and Hamas.
00:30:52.000 I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:30:54.000 And this is another reason why people on the right are turned off.
00:30:59.000 And this is an older piece of tape.
00:31:01.000 It is from 2017, okay, just to be clear.
00:31:05.000 But this is what Tucker Carlson with Senator Roger Wicker, when asked about whether or not we should be involved in Syria, his gut answer is Israel.
00:31:15.000 Play cut 21.
00:31:17.000 What is the American national security interest that would be served by regime change in Syria?
00:31:22.000 Well, if you care about Israel, you have to be interested at least in what's going on in Syria.
00:31:30.000 We're fighting ISIS there.
00:31:32.000 Iran is seeking to dominate the whole region. 1.00
00:31:37.000 I think we have national interests in Syria.
00:31:41.000 And let me play another piece of tape here and understand that people on the right are seeing neocon warmongers that they really don't like, that they have disgust for, that are right now the most ferocious in support for escalating against Iran.
00:31:59.000 You must understand that there's pattern recognition in some of this.
00:32:02.000 And some people on the right say, wait a second, hold on.
00:32:04.000 I support Israel, but I don't like Lindsey Graham.
00:32:06.000 I don't like Nikki Haley.
00:32:07.000 I don't like Joni Ernst.
00:32:08.000 I don't like this forever war machine.
00:32:11.000 And it creates a sense of skepticism.
00:32:14.000 Play cut 15.
00:32:16.000 Is he right?
00:32:17.000 He is absolutely correct, Harris.
00:32:21.000 Iran is behind this. 1.00
00:32:22.000 They fund 93% of Hamas's activities. 0.78
00:32:26.000 They fund 100% of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad's activities, not to mention Hezbollah and the Houthis. 0.52
00:32:35.000 This all goes right back to Iran.
00:32:37.000 But you know what?
00:32:38.000 Who else is involved in this?
00:32:40.000 President Biden has been so actively appeasing Iran instead of standing up to them.
00:32:47.000 And I'm telling you, if we lose more Americans, we need to go after Iran. 1.00
00:32:53.000 It is incredibly important that we push back against them.
00:32:57.000 Hold on.
00:32:57.000 She's calling for a war against the Persian people?
00:33:00.000 That's not smart.
00:33:04.000 And I just want to take a step back here.
00:33:07.000 Another reason why conservatives are growing tired.
00:33:10.000 And I see it in the emails, by the way.
00:33:11.000 I see it in real time.
00:33:13.000 I'd say a majority of the emails are, Charlie, stop talking about a foreign country.
00:33:16.000 Stop talking about a foreign country. 0.83
00:33:18.000 And I don't think those people are saying it because they hate Jews.
00:33:22.000 I think that there is such mounting crises here on the homeland.
00:33:27.000 And we have reconfigured the American right to be an America first party that we have retrained the muscle memory in the conservative world to now say, and by the way, I think this is a healthy retraining and a healthy reconfiguration and a healthy reorientation, that there needs to be some balance.
00:33:48.000 Some balance.
00:33:50.000 So the question should be, hold on, totally understand Israel targeted for a genocide, defend themselves, let's cover it.
00:33:58.000 But also, there are mounting issues here on the American homeland that seem to be given a second or third fiddle to this.
00:34:08.000 That's a piece of criticism I hear time and time again.
00:34:13.000 We love Israel, but these critiques of the current PRN messaging are because we care.
00:34:20.000 Additionally, there are dozens of other issues that I feel as if we're not talking about very much.
00:34:29.000 Are we talking about the border still?
00:34:31.000 So the core final takeaway is this, before we head into the next hour.
00:34:34.000 Israel supporters need to make the case for supporting it.
00:34:38.000 And they've taken it for granted for far too long.
00:34:40.000 And the polls show that this is the wrong move.
00:34:42.000 Instead of calling everybody you don't like an anti-Semite or a Hitler-type figure, you have to engage in the public discourse and persuade people.
00:34:51.000 Treat your allies like allies and not your allies like enemies.
00:34:55.000 If you don't fix this, in 20 years, America will be outspokenly anti-Israel.
00:35:00.000 And that will be bad for civilization.
00:35:02.000 It'll be bad for the archaeological excavation to prove the truth of the Bible.
00:35:07.000 Maybe Israel needs to do daily press conferences.
00:35:10.000 Maybe Israel needs to put their hand around American evangelicals and be closer to the people that have actually defended them and will defend them.
00:35:20.000 But instead, they're doing the opposite.
00:35:22.000 Instead, they're moving very slow in the PR war.
00:35:24.000 Their social media team is an outright joke.
00:35:27.000 It's a mockery online.
00:35:30.000 Al Jazeera, Reuters, New York Times, Washington Post, they're all captured by Arab interests. 0.99
00:35:36.000 Now, maybe Israel is going to just win over the PR war here, but I could see a storm coming. 0.70
00:35:41.000 And the pride and the hubris and dare I say the arrogance by some people, the top levels of the Israeli government, that they're just going to have widespread support no matter what, they are wrong.
00:35:51.000 And if they don't change things, it will not end well.
00:35:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:55.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:58.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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