The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Trump Changes Everything About Iran

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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00:01:21.000 President Trump is at the G7 in France right now, flanked by Marco Rubio and Howard Lutnick.

00:01:27.000 We're going to take it just briefly here, see what they're talking about, and have some analysis on the back end.

00:01:34.000 Could be whatever.

00:01:35.000 What do you have left?

00:01:36.000 That may be nothing, but you don't have.

00:01:40.000 The strait will never be open because people that own billion dollar ships, these ships cost a billion dollars.

00:01:46.000 They don't like sailing ships or having their ships participate when you go up the coast and you go through the strait and there are rockets flying over your head.

00:01:59.000 They want to protect their billion dollar investment.

00:02:02.000 You wouldn't have oil for maybe years.

00:02:06.000 These are stupid people.

00:02:08.000 But nobody was tougher than me.

00:02:09.000 Nobody.

00:02:11.000 You know, when I hit Soleimani, people thought that was the biggest thing to happen in the Middle East for 50 years.

00:02:11.000 Hit Soleimani.

00:02:16.000 That was the biggest event.

00:02:18.000 He was the boss of Iran and respected, but he was a mad genius.

00:02:25.000 He was a genius, the father of the roadside bomb.

00:02:29.000 When you see young men, and in some cases women, mostly men, walking around without legs, without arms, with a face that's been blown to smithereens, it's Soleimani, 95%.

00:02:42.000 96.2, they say, or something.

00:02:44.000 95%.

00:02:46.000 That was Salamene did it.

00:02:48.000 Happened to come from Iran, and I blew him up.

00:02:52.000 You remember that?

00:02:53.000 I blew him up in the Valley of Death.

00:02:55.000 He got off his plane, and we followed him.

00:02:58.000 And in all fairness, because they've been wonderful to me, Israel, but they didn't want to do that attack.

00:03:05.000 They were all set.

00:03:06.000 The night before the attack, they informed me they didn't want to do it, so I had to make a decision.

00:03:11.000 I made the decision to do it.

00:03:14.000 But it was a joint venture, as we say in the real estate business.

00:03:19.000 That was a joint venture between Israel and us.

00:03:21.000 We studied it for a month.

00:03:23.000 We knew what plane he was going to be on.

00:03:24.000 Almost a month before, he only traveled on commercial airliners, big ones with lots of people because he knew we wouldn't shoot him down.

00:03:30.000 He was very smart.

00:03:32.000 But we knew he was going to be on that plane, followed him, and then Israel informed me that they won't do it.

00:03:40.000 And I had to make a decision.

00:03:42.000 I had some very good generals, and not the ones you see on television, very good.

00:03:47.000 And I want to thank also Pete Hagstaff and General Raisin Kane, who's phenomenal.

00:03:53.000 These guys are phenomenal.

00:03:54.000 They can't be better.

00:03:56.000 But I had some good generals, and I said to them, Well, if Israel's not going to do it, we're all prepared.

00:04:02.000 Do we do it?

00:04:03.000 Do you like doing it or not?

00:04:04.000 He said, sure.

00:04:05.000 If you want to do it, we can do it.

00:04:07.000 How well?

00:04:07.000 We'll do it just as well or better.

00:04:09.000 Do it ourselves.

00:04:10.000 We don't need anybody.

00:04:12.000 So we took out Soleimani.

00:04:14.000 One of the biggest events to happen in the Middle East, maybe ever, but they say 50 years, they say 100 years.

00:04:22.000 I was with the prime minister of Pakistan.

00:04:25.000 He said it's maybe the biggest event that has ever taken place.

00:04:29.000 Nobody could believe it.

00:04:31.000 So that's when it started.

00:04:32.000 It didn't start like.

00:04:33.000 three or four or five weeks ago.

00:04:36.000 And Obama wouldn't do it.

00:04:37.000 What Obama did was he did the JCPOA.

00:04:42.000 He loaded up a plane with $1,700,000,000 in green cash from banks all over Washington, Maryland, and Virginia.

00:04:53.000 They were stripped of all their cash.

00:04:55.000 They had no cash to do payrolls.

00:04:57.000 It all went into a Boeing 757, a wonderful plane, and they flew it to Iran.

00:05:04.000 And they gave it out to people.

00:05:05.000 They bribed people.

00:05:06.000 They thought they were going to get it done.

00:05:08.000 Then they gave billions and billions of dollars after that.

00:05:12.000 And they got a deal that was a road to a nuclear weapon.

00:05:14.000 I get so angry, I guess.

00:05:16.000 I'm allowed to get angry when I watch the Democrats.

00:05:19.000 They talk about it all the time.

00:05:22.000 We had this deal done.

00:05:24.000 You had a deal that was going to give them legally a nuclear weapon.

00:05:28.000 And if that happened, Israel would have been blown away.

00:05:31.000 And in all fairness to Bibi Netanyahu, who happens to be a good man, gets a little excited sometimes.

00:05:37.000 But he happens to be a very good man.

00:05:39.000 We've had an amazing partnership.

00:05:41.000 He's been an amazing prime minister.

00:05:43.000 We have a little dispute over Lebanon.

00:05:45.000 I say, you can do a little softer touch, Bibi.

00:05:48.000 You don't have to knock down a building every time somebody walks into it that's from Hezbollah.

00:05:54.000 But it's been an amazing partnership.

00:05:56.000 But he will say, we're the big partner, and he's the very small partner, and that's true.

00:06:01.000 So he came to the country, and he begged Barack Hussein Obama, the president, not to do the JCPOA.

00:06:11.000 He said it could be the end of Israel, and it would have been if I didn't come along.

00:06:16.000 And Obama didn't listen to him.

00:06:18.000 Bibi actually went to Congress and pleaded with them, and he got nowhere.

00:06:24.000 And they had this horrible deal that was horrible for Israel, horrible for Israel.

00:06:30.000 And that's where it stood.

00:06:33.000 And then I came along and I terminated that deal.

00:06:36.000 It had very little time left.

00:06:37.000 And that was a short term deal.

00:06:38.000 You know, with countries, you need hundreds of years, you don't need eight years and nine years.

00:06:44.000 This isn't like you're signing a lease on a candy store at the corner.

00:06:49.000 You need hundreds of years.

00:06:50.000 This was a short term lease.

00:06:52.000 It expired long ago.

00:06:54.000 Had I let it run, it expired.

00:06:56.000 A lot of people wouldn't have been around.

00:06:56.000 You wouldn't have been around.

00:06:59.000 But Israel would have been terminated.

00:07:00.000 I think the whole Middle East would have been terminated.

00:07:02.000 You saw that when everybody was shocked that all these missiles were aimed at these different places Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE.

00:07:13.000 Think of it Bahrain, Kuwait.

00:07:16.000 They got hit.

00:07:17.000 Nobody thought that was, even I, I didn't think it was going to happen.

00:07:20.000 They didn't think it was going to happen.

00:07:22.000 They were going to take out the entire Middle East, including Israel.

00:07:27.000 And if they had a nuclear weapon, they would have used it within moments after getting it.

00:07:33.000 So I made it very tough for them when I terminated the Barack Hussein Obama catastrophe.

00:07:39.000 JCPOA, one of the worst deals.

00:07:43.000 NAFTA might have been worse, but that was worse economically.

00:07:46.000 This deal was really dangerous, what he did.

00:07:49.000 He gave them everything, including a lot of money, which we don't give them, by the way, just in case you have any questions.

00:07:55.000 We'll be giving this out so you can read it and you can see.

00:07:58.000 And it's a memorandum of understanding.

00:08:00.000 If it doesn't get done in 60 days, that's all right, we go back to bombing.

00:08:04.000 You know, I don't want to do that because it's so good.

00:08:07.000 But we might have to because we're never going to let them have a nuclear weapon.

00:08:13.000 But they've agreed not to, and you'll see that very clearly in the agreement.

00:08:17.000 But then the second phase of that was they were building or they were enriching material, as they say.

00:08:24.000 I call it nuclear dust.

00:08:25.000 They were enriching material under granite mountains, granite being for those not.

00:08:30.000 In the construction business, granite being a very strong, the strongest stone.

00:08:36.000 It's not as pretty as marble, but it's much stronger.

00:08:41.000 It's a lot stronger.

00:08:42.000 Like the new granite I put on the stairs of the White House going to the Oval Office, the black granite, it's rated one million years plus.

00:08:52.000 No marbles rated that.

00:08:53.000 Marbles rated 100 years if it's outside.

00:08:57.000 So these are granite mountains, and the B2s came along and they hit those air shafts in the dark.

00:09:04.000 At one o'clock in the morning with no moon.

00:09:06.000 They had a beam going right up everywhere.

00:09:08.000 Those guys did a job, and then they were criticized by certain members of the press, like CNN, for possibly not doing that much damage.

00:09:18.000 And it turned out that the damage was far greater.

00:09:20.000 Those mountains collapsed right on top of everything.

00:09:23.000 Nobody's going to get that for a long time unless we want to get it.

00:09:25.000 We will get it.

00:09:27.000 But we're the only ones that can.

00:09:29.000 And they say China has the equipment to get it, and we have the equipment to get it.

00:09:33.000 And it's actually not valuable, not a lot of value, but We'd like to get it psychologically, but nobody's touching it.

00:09:39.000 We also have cameras.

00:09:40.000 That's what Space Force is.

00:09:41.000 We have the best, we have the greatest military in the world, by the way.

00:09:45.000 But I'm proud of Space Force because I started it.

00:09:47.000 We have Space Force cameras on every single door.

00:09:51.000 Well, there are no doors.

00:09:53.000 They've been pretty washed out.

00:09:54.000 But every area of that, if somebody walks in and he's got a badge with his name on it, like Mohammed something, which is about a 50 50 guess, Mohammed something, they can tell the name.

00:10:08.000 They can give you a serial number.

00:10:10.000 We can see things you wouldn't believe the quality of the stuff that we have.

00:10:14.000 That's why we've been so successful.

00:10:16.000 That's why our blockade will go down in the annals of history as being unbelievable.

00:10:21.000 Nobody's ever seen a blockade like that.

00:10:23.000 It's like a steel wall.

00:10:25.000 So what happened is we then terminated that, and I call it the nuclear dust, and that was the end of that.

00:10:33.000 But if we didn't hit that with the B 2 bombers or if it wasn't successful, they would have had a nuclear weapon, a nuclear bomb at a very high level.

00:10:41.000 Not the highest, but it would have been a very high level.

00:10:45.000 We have much bigger, but we hope that we're never going to have to use it.

00:10:49.000 We have the most.

00:10:50.000 Russia has second.

00:10:52.000 China is very far behind, but going to catch up, unfortunately.

00:10:56.000 You know, they're catching up.

00:10:57.000 But we have the most.

00:10:59.000 We have the most powerful.

00:11:01.000 But we also have the most.

00:11:03.000 But Russia's not far behind.

00:11:05.000 And then you have China in third place, but within five years, they'll be probably even.

00:11:10.000 And we ought to make a denuclearization deal.

00:11:13.000 It would be so great.

00:11:14.000 We don't need.

00:11:15.000 all of that.

00:11:17.000 We don't need to be able to blow up the whole world 300 times over.

00:11:23.000 It's terrible.

00:11:24.000 Really, if we could do a denuke deal, I'd love it.

00:11:27.000 And one of those two is very willing to do it, I will tell you.

00:11:31.000 The other one is less willing to do it.

00:11:33.000 And you need all of them.

00:11:35.000 So the deal we reached with Iran on Sunday will be signed shortly, tomorrow, maybe the next day.

00:11:43.000 Thank you.

00:11:44.000 Subject, deals.

00:11:46.000 My whole life is all about deals.

00:11:47.000 That's all I ever did is make deals.

00:11:49.000 And crazy things happen with deals.

00:11:51.000 I've gone into deals where it's a guarantee.

00:11:57.000 No way it can not be signed.

00:11:59.000 And it doesn't get signed.

00:12:00.000 And I've gone into deals that you have no chance of making.

00:12:03.000 And they go like nothing.

00:12:05.000 But we're going to most likely sign a deal.

00:12:08.000 They want to sign a deal.

00:12:10.000 And they've been acting very appropriately.

00:12:14.000 They took a big two hits last week.

00:12:18.000 Those were two very big hits.

00:12:19.000 So importantly, Iran has agreed that they will neither produce nor procure a nuclear weapon.

00:12:25.000 Neither.

00:12:26.000 Produce because originally they said they talk about that they will not develop a nuclear weapon, and some people found it okay.

00:12:35.000 These guys didn't, in all fairness, but some people, but I didn't like it, said it won't develop.

00:12:39.000 I said, What happens if they should buy?

00:12:41.000 I don't know.

00:12:41.000 It's pretty very dangerous for somebody to sell because whoever sells them a nuclear weapon would get nuked themselves.

00:12:48.000 If they sold a nuclear weapon, only a few that could do it, they would be nuked, they wouldn't have that country long.

00:12:55.000 So it's a very dangerous thing for somebody to do, but I wanted it in there, so it's develop.

00:13:01.000 Procure, buy, anything.

00:13:05.000 And you'll see that when you see the agreement, but it's appropriate that we release the agreement, and we did send a copy to Israel, by the way.

00:13:12.000 They've been a good partner.

00:13:14.000 Again, I think they could do better with respect to Hezbollah.

00:13:20.000 I'm not saying they shouldn't protect themselves.

00:13:23.000 I'm saying when two drones are shot into the desert and dropped harmlessly, you don't have to knock down buildings in Beirut.

00:13:33.000 They could behave better.

00:13:34.000 And frankly, they could do a better job.

00:13:38.000 I love them as a partner.

00:13:39.000 They were terrific.

00:13:41.000 But they could do a much better job with Hezbollah.

00:13:44.000 On that, I don't think they're doing well.

00:13:46.000 And I feel very bad for.

00:13:49.000 President Trump is continuing at the G7, but we got stuff we got to talk about here.

00:13:52.000 He's making some great points, though, that are helping out.

00:13:54.000 Basically saying what we were going to say.

00:13:56.000 Yeah, he's doing our open for us.

00:13:58.000 So we wanted to let that roll.

00:14:00.000 And really, the point is.

00:14:03.000 And the question that we keep getting asked, and often in good faith, by the way, is this Iran deal the new JCPOA 2.0?

00:14:11.000 Is it just like that?

00:14:13.000 I had somebody that was texting me yesterday saying.

00:14:14.000 You should tell people what the JCPOA is.

00:14:16.000 JCPOA, sorry.

00:14:18.000 JCPOA was the original sort of nuke deal to try and get Iran to stop their nuclear program that Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry oversaw, which involved a front loaded deal filled with pallets of cash that we airlifted over to Iran, right?

00:14:34.000 To bribe them.

00:14:35.000 To get them to do what we wanted to.

00:14:37.000 And so a lot of people have been texting me in good faith, genuinely.

00:14:42.000 I want to love this deal.

00:14:43.000 I want to be supportive, but it just feels like the JCPOA 2.0.

00:14:48.000 And I want to explain why that's not true.

00:14:50.000 First of all, it's not front loaded.

00:14:52.000 So there's no pallets of cash, there's no American money, not one red cent of American money.

00:14:56.000 But there are financial incentives.

00:14:58.000 People hear that and they go, oh, it's just like the JCPOA.

00:15:02.000 My question to them would be what other levers and mechanisms does the world run on?

00:15:08.000 There's only so many things you can offer as an incentive for good behavior because, guess what?

00:15:14.000 In a deal, both sides need to feel like they're getting something worthwhile.

00:15:17.000 If you're going to make a deal, that's what happens.

00:15:20.000 Now, I think there is an old paradigm when it comes to treaties, like the Treaty of Versailles or whatever, where one side totally concedes defeat and the other says, I'm victorious completely.

00:15:33.000 That's not the paradigm that President Trump is using.

00:15:35.000 President Trump is using a paradigm of a businessman.

00:15:38.000 Who's trying to make deals that are mutually beneficial?

00:15:42.000 Yes, but we get what we want.

00:15:43.000 And what do we want?

00:15:44.000 We want a denuclearized Iran.

00:15:47.000 We want them not to have a nuke so they can blow up Israel, they blow up the Middle East, or blow up Europe.

00:15:52.000 Okay?

00:15:53.000 Are you trying to?

00:15:54.000 Well, it's exactly what you say, which is there was a lot of frustration, anger when this conflict began because people were saying President Trump promised he would never get in a war.

00:16:07.000 And people pointed out who were more in favor of the war said, no, he always said Iran will not get a nuclear weapon.

00:16:12.000 And that's what he'd said for years, really going back even into the 90s, he was saying that shouldn't happen.

00:16:18.000 And then now we're going through the reverse of this, where people are angry that he hasn't overthrown the mullahs, he hasn't done regime change in Iran.

00:16:26.000 And we should remind people.

00:16:28.000 President Trump's promise was Iran will not get a nuclear weapon.

00:16:32.000 You and I were discussing before the show at the start of his term.

00:16:36.000 President Trump was touring the Middle East and he was pointing out we have learned from the past.

00:16:41.000 We're not trying to remake every government.

00:16:43.000 We should play that clip.

00:16:46.000 Here, I got to find it.

00:16:48.000 You threw me off my groove because I wasn't ready to play that clip, but we do have that clip and we should play it.

00:16:55.000 This is, yeah, from right at the beginning of Trump 2.0, he tours the Middle East and he.

00:17:00.000 Issued a speech that I think is an all-timer.

00:17:03.000 I think it's going to go down as an all-timer, but it sets the stage for some of the things he's talking about right now.

00:17:08.000 SOT 29.

00:17:09.000 A new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts of tired divisions of the past and forging a future where the Middle East is defined by commerce, not chaos, where it exports technology, not terrorism, and where people of different nations, religions, and creeds are building cities together.

00:17:30.000 not bombing each other out of existence.

00:17:33.000 The birth of a modern Middle East has been brought by the people of the region themselves.

00:17:39.000 In the end, the so-called nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionalists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves.

00:17:53.000 Peace, prosperity, and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage, but rather from embracing your national tradition.

00:18:03.000 So that speech was important for many reasons, but it was the death knell of the neocons.

00:18:07.000 That was Trump saying, we are not going to be a neocon foreign policy movement anymore.

00:18:07.000 Okay.

00:18:13.000 And that was a good thing.

00:18:14.000 Okay.

00:18:15.000 So now you might be wondering, well, but yeah, but he attacked Iran.

00:18:18.000 Well, to Blake's point, he always said Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.

00:18:22.000 Remember, he took out Soleimani and Trump 1.0, okay, who was basically the chief architect of terrorism.

00:18:28.000 Now, I was skeptical about these strikes.

00:18:31.000 As a matter of fact, I was not pro the strikes in Iran.

00:18:34.000 But much like Charlie, I chose to say Trump has never gotten us embroiled in a quagmire forever war in the Middle East.

00:18:42.000 And I don't think that's his objective right now.

00:18:44.000 He's trying to achieve the objective of no nukes, no weapons to destroy the Middle East, destroy Israel, destroy Europe.

00:18:52.000 And he's achieved that goal, ostensibly, in theory.

00:18:55.000 They're moving towards that goal.

00:18:57.000 And here's the big difference.

00:18:59.000 And President Trump kind of hinted at this.

00:19:01.000 Actually, I think he hit the nail on the head in one of his earlier interviews today at the G7.

00:19:06.000 This is the big difference with this deal and the JCPOA.

00:19:11.000 It's not front loaded.

00:19:12.000 There's no pallets of cash.

00:19:13.000 There's no American money.

00:19:13.000 That's true.

00:19:15.000 But more fundamentally, the big difference between this deal and the JCPOA is President Trump himself.

00:19:23.000 SOT 26.

00:19:25.000 1.7 billion and hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:19:29.000 They tried to bribe their way out of it.

00:19:32.000 And you know what the Iranians did?

00:19:34.000 They laughed at Obama and they said he's a stupid son of a.

00:19:39.000 Okay, thank you very much.

00:19:42.000 Okay, thank you very much.

00:19:43.000 Yeah, and it was actually, we were letting him go here in this first segment because he was making that point for us repeatedly.

00:19:49.000 I thought it was very interesting.

00:19:50.000 He was really going into the details about the strike that killed the previous supreme leader.

00:19:57.000 And I feel like the implication throughout that is by the way, we could 100% do this again to any of you.

00:20:04.000 If we have the ability to track the supreme leader of Iran in that level of detail, you should adhere to this deal or I'm ready to bomb again.

00:20:11.000 He said that too.

00:20:12.000 If they don't finish this up in two months, we'll bomb them to hell again, he said.

00:20:16.000 SOT 30.

00:20:18.000 Is the text of the agreement now final or are you still.

00:20:21.000 No, it's not final.

00:20:22.000 It's a memorandum of understanding.

00:20:24.000 And if I don't like it, We'll go back to shooting at them, dropping bombs on their head.

00:20:31.000 If I don't like it, if they don't behave, we'll go right back to dropping bombs right smack in the middle of their head.

00:20:39.000 Okay?

00:20:39.000 Because they've misbehaved for 47 years.

00:20:43.000 That is the difference.

00:20:44.000 Now, you do not have to even support the war.

00:20:47.000 I was, like I said, I was a skeptic.

00:20:49.000 I didn't want us to go into Iran.

00:20:52.000 I've made no, not made that a secret.

00:20:56.000 But you have to also acknowledge objectively that this changes the calculus in a deal with Iran.

00:21:03.000 Iran played Obama for a sucker.

00:21:05.000 Why?

00:21:06.000 Because they never believed that Obama was willing to use force.

00:21:10.000 They can't say that about President Trump.

00:21:12.000 President Trump has already used force.

00:21:14.000 President Trump will use force again.

00:21:16.000 He is not afraid to use force.

00:21:18.000 Our military posture is not changing in the region.

00:21:21.000 That changes all the calculus, that changes everything.

00:21:26.000 That our intelligence is so good that they can't move about freely if they start misbehaving.

00:21:31.000 They will fear for their lives.

00:21:33.000 So the choice is theirs.

00:21:35.000 Do they want to have a prosperous economic region and zone and future for Iran and its people, or do they want to get bombed again?

00:21:42.000 They didn't have that same choice when President Obama was in office, offering them pallets of cash.

00:21:50.000 Changes everything.

00:21:51.000 Donald Trump is the reason this is not the JCPOA 2.0.

00:21:58.000 We've all been told to eat fruits and vegetables forever, but nobody really explained why.

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00:23:16.000 Joining us now is actor, comedian, and author of You Can Do It, and that is Rob Schneider.

00:23:22.000 Rob, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:23:24.000 Good to have you on the phone.

00:23:25.000 Thank you.

00:23:26.000 Good to be here, man.

00:23:27.000 How are you doing?

00:23:29.000 We're doing great.

00:23:30.000 We're doing great.

00:23:31.000 And I just wanted to have you on to.

00:23:34.000 Just commend you, sir, for the amazing support that you showed these pitchers, these giant pitchers, for standing up for their values.

00:23:44.000 And you said something really powerful.

00:23:46.000 You said, if they get fined, I'm going to help pay for their fines.

00:23:50.000 We'll figure it out.

00:23:51.000 And we will help you as well, Rob.

00:23:52.000 We will get behind whatever efforts that we need to get behind.

00:23:57.000 I know you say you will personally pay for it, but I think there's a whole country behind these pitchers that want to defend their Christian values.

00:24:04.000 What inspired that?

00:24:05.000 Thank you.

00:24:05.000 And I just want to say that, well, I just want to say these guys get the league minimum.

00:24:10.000 So, I mean, it's a good amount of money, but they're living in California.

00:24:14.000 So, you know, that's.

00:24:15.000 They're still like living in apartments and stuff.

00:24:19.000 These guys aren't rich ballplayers.

00:24:21.000 You're not talking about Otani.

00:24:23.000 But, you know, what you have is you have, first of all, can we make baseball straight again?

00:24:28.000 I mean, we have enough gay sports.

00:24:32.000 We've got like, you know, the WNBA, we got figure skating, you know, we have, you know, there's already cornhole is on ESPN.

00:24:44.000 You know, you throw the sandbag and get in.

00:24:46.000 It's actually called cornhole.

00:24:48.000 And look, We have enough of this.

00:24:51.000 First of all, this gay stuff, you won already, gay people.

00:24:58.000 Why do you have to shove it in her face?

00:25:00.000 And why do you get a month?

00:25:02.000 Who agreed?

00:25:03.000 I don't remember voting for a month.

00:25:05.000 Just have a parade.

00:25:07.000 All I'm saying, just give us some heads up so we can make plans.

00:25:12.000 It's a lot hanging out everywhere.

00:25:14.000 It's just enough in your face, forcing us to do things against our will and forcing people to.

00:25:21.000 To wear a pride hat.

00:25:23.000 And if they don't, they're somehow a bigot.

00:25:26.000 So it's in your face.

00:25:29.000 And the idea that somehow gay people are oppressed, it's like you won.

00:25:33.000 You got gay marriage.

00:25:34.000 You get the same rights as far as benefits that was excluded you.

00:25:41.000 I mean, so at what point do you say enough?

00:25:44.000 And at what point do we say, okay, it's a month?

00:25:47.000 And then also, we want to have drag queens in your kindergarten, you know, just, you know, Shaking your junk in front of your kids.

00:25:56.000 It's like, enough with this.

00:25:59.000 It is sick.

00:26:00.000 It is twisted.

00:26:02.000 And it is enough.

00:26:03.000 I mean, gay rights have been perverted.

00:26:05.000 Even gays will tell you that the trans community has totally taken over.

00:26:11.000 And I knew something was up at the gay parade in New York when there was one white gay homosexual that was a part of the Grand Marshal parade.

00:26:22.000 It was all this crazy, you know, trans stuff.

00:26:24.000 And it was.

00:26:27.000 These ball players are sweet, nice guys who love the Lord.

00:26:32.000 And it's a beautiful thing.

00:26:33.000 And so, of course, they're going to get attacked.

00:26:35.000 And the idea that standing up and saying a Bible verse is automatically bigoted is just to show you how crazy and how leftist and what a lunatic wing that you have there in the Democratic Party.

00:26:51.000 And the way they went about it, I think it was very well done because all they did was attach a Bible verse that is.

00:27:00.000 Related to rainbows.

00:27:02.000 And they made it very clear.

00:27:04.000 They kind of forced MLB and their other critics to unmask the agenda that they come forward and say, Yes, we are specifically requiring you to affirm this version of what pride is.

00:27:18.000 You're not allowed to, you don't even have to, you're not condemning gays in any way.

00:27:24.000 You're not condemning anyone.

00:27:26.000 All you're doing is tweaking this in a little way in the direction of your faith.

00:27:30.000 And they're swooping in and saying, We're on to what you're doing, and you're not allowed to do it.

00:27:34.000 I think they went about it in a very wise way.

00:27:37.000 No, it was classy.

00:27:38.000 And yeah, Blake's talking about they put Genesis 9, 12 through 16, which is the Noahic covenant, where God says, you know, when you see a rainbow in the sky, God's promising not to flood the earth again like he did in the time of Noah.

00:27:52.000 So it was a very classy thing to do.

00:27:55.000 And my point, Rob, and I think you were basically making this point, is that MLB is being the bigoted ones against Christians.

00:28:02.000 And we're sick of this anti Christian bias.

00:28:04.000 And to your point, it doesn't just, it's not enough to tolerate.

00:28:09.000 Now they make you.

00:28:10.000 Accept it, they make you celebrate it, and then they make you participate in it.

00:28:14.000 Your kids have to participate in it.

00:28:16.000 It becomes the new civic religion of like everybody has to be proud of gay people.

00:28:21.000 And it just becomes so all consuming in your face.

00:28:25.000 As you said, they get a whole month, and then a couple of Christians come out and put a Bible verse on their hat, and oh, that's a line too far.

00:28:32.000 It became so imbalanced.

00:28:34.000 It's the hypocrisy of it because, you know, these ballplayers, baseball players as well, took a knee.

00:28:43.000 And then you could look that up.

00:28:44.000 They actually did do that, not just the football players, but baseball players too.

00:28:48.000 And none of them were reprimanded for taking a knee during the national anthem.

00:28:53.000 So you have just a kowtowing to this particular extreme leftist ideology.

00:29:01.000 And if you don't comply and you don't go along with it, they also want you to participate in it.

00:29:07.000 And if you don't participate, so it's one thing to you have your right, and now you just.

00:29:13.000 Instead of leaving people alone, now you're forcing people to participate.

00:29:17.000 You're forcing them to be in this, to take part.

00:29:21.000 And that's where it steps over into a civil rights issue.

00:29:26.000 And, you know, I'm tired of this Christianity being a doormat religion for everybody else's and stepping on it and people not stepping up.

00:29:35.000 And I'm also tired of evangelicals not voting.

00:29:38.000 They have to step up.

00:29:39.000 I mean, how do you get a real hateful, ugly human being like Ilan Omar in Congress?

00:29:45.000 Well, because the mosques tell.

00:29:49.000 85, you know, they tell their constituents to vote, and 93% of them will vote on a blog.

00:29:56.000 We have to have our pastors step up.

00:29:58.000 They have to have our pastors get involved because, you know, the idea of somehow this isn't going to continue and this isn't going to continue to erode our rights is an illusion, as you're seeing now.

00:30:11.000 And, you know, the Supreme Court already made a decision about, you know, you can't force people to do something outside their deeply held religious beliefs with the Colorado Bakers.

00:30:20.000 Who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple because they just refused to do it.

00:30:25.000 And that's their right.

00:30:26.000 And, you know, instead of finding another baker, they have to force their agenda on somebody else.

00:30:32.000 And that's what we're really talking about forcing things on other people.

00:30:36.000 And I'm glad you just bring that up because that gets so much at the left's agenda because they've gone after that baker, I think, three, four times.

00:30:43.000 Every time he gets a legal win, they find a new excuse to harass him again.

00:30:47.000 It's a real intense psychopathic desire to take that guy down.

00:30:53.000 And that is what we're up against.

00:30:54.000 Well, and.

00:30:56.000 Rob, you are a comedian here, so I do want to keep the levity because it's so much fun.

00:31:01.000 You're so good at weaving in your comedy with all this stuff.

00:31:04.000 So, Michael, our Caboose, he's working the soundboard.

00:31:10.000 He said, If Cornhole is gay, then I must be Neil Patrick Harris.

00:31:14.000 So, that's pretty good.

00:31:18.000 And then I have to play this clip from Kramer or from Seinfeld.

00:31:23.000 You'll remember the ribbon wearing.

00:31:25.000 And I have to do it because it was one of Charlie's favorite clips from Seinfeld.

00:31:28.000 So, we are all now.

00:31:30.000 Kramer in the ribbon, twenty two.

00:31:32.000 Uh, Cosmo Creamy.

00:31:36.000 Uh, okay.

00:31:37.000 You're checked in.

00:31:38.000 Thank you.

00:31:38.000 Here's your AIDS ribbon.

00:31:39.000 Uh, no, thanks.

00:31:40.000 You don't want to wear an AIDS ribbon?

00:31:41.000 Uh, no, no.

00:31:43.000 But you have to wear an AIDS ribbon.

00:31:44.000 I have to?

00:31:45.000 Yes.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, see, that's why I don't want to.

00:31:48.000 But everyone wears the ribbon.

00:31:49.000 You must wear the ribbon.

00:31:51.000 What you are?

00:31:52.000 You're a ribbon bully.

00:31:54.000 Hey, hey, you, come back here.

00:32:00.000 Come back here and put this on.

00:32:03.000 Hey, where's your ribbon?

00:32:04.000 Oh, I don't wear the ribbon.

00:32:05.000 You don't wear the ribbon?

00:32:07.000 Aren't you against AIDS?

00:32:08.000 Yeah, I'm against AIDS.

00:32:09.000 I mean, I'm walking, aren't I?

00:32:12.000 I just don't wear the ribbon.

00:32:13.000 Who do you think you are?

00:32:14.000 Put the ribbon on it.

00:32:16.000 Hey, Cedric, Bob, this guy won't wear a ribbon.

00:32:20.000 Who?

00:32:21.000 Who doesn't want to wear the ribbon?

00:32:25.000 We are in the dictatorship of the ribbon bullies.

00:32:27.000 Yes.

00:32:29.000 Rob, you're here.

00:32:31.000 It has become that.

00:32:33.000 It has become a sitcom.

00:32:35.000 Except there's just no laughs.

00:32:36.000 There's no laughs in this thing.

00:32:38.000 So I do think.

00:32:40.000 You know, it's a good thing it's happened because anytime we can have this exposed and bring up Christ and bring up the fact that, you know, that Christians need to stand up.

00:32:52.000 I mean, we really do.

00:32:53.000 The idea of just, you know, we're okay with everything.

00:32:56.000 We're not.

00:32:57.000 I mean, the Bible's very specific.

00:32:59.000 You can't just go and pick out stuff out of the Bible.

00:33:01.000 Oh, well, we'll be okay with that, but we're not okay.

00:33:03.000 I guess we'll be okay with this, but we'll accept this.

00:33:06.000 But no, we have to go by what the good book says.

00:33:10.000 And if you don't do that, you're in trouble.

00:33:12.000 And you have a society that's slipping.

00:33:15.000 And this is happening here.

00:33:16.000 And so anytime we could do it, but you're right, it has to be done with levity, and we have to be done.

00:33:20.000 It doesn't work to scold people.

00:33:23.000 And, you know, I'll just leave you with Father Steve told me in D.C. recently.

00:33:28.000 He said, You ever try to pull on a plant to make it grow?

00:33:31.000 And I went, No.

00:33:32.000 He said, Do you think it would help?

00:33:34.000 No.

00:33:35.000 Well, it's the same thing with preaching.

00:33:39.000 You just got to just plant the seeds and then let it grow.

00:33:43.000 So in the middle of this thing, I think a lot of good would come from it because I think.

00:33:48.000 We spit up for these players.

00:33:50.000 They're good guys.

00:33:51.000 And I'd like to see some other baseball players and some other people put some things on their uniform.

00:33:57.000 You see, the idea that Major League Baseball doesn't allow stuff on their uniforms, you see stuff on them all the time.

00:34:04.000 They honor another player, they put something on it, on their hats and things.

00:34:07.000 So it's very, very telling that Christianity is the one that is constantly attacked.

00:34:15.000 Yeah, Rob, I'm pretty sure that if these players would have.

00:34:18.000 You know, etched with a sharpie on their hat, something, you know, pro LGBTQIA plus or whatever, that we wouldn't be hearing about this story at all.

00:34:27.000 It would have just been let.

00:34:28.000 And I'm still waiting for the first university protest for the Nigerian massacre of Christians.

00:34:35.000 And, you know, it ain't happening.

00:34:35.000 Amen.

00:34:37.000 So we got to just.

00:34:38.000 But the thing about it is, anytime we could.

00:34:41.000 We're getting attacked just because we're the incendiary.

00:34:44.000 You see churches packed right now.

00:34:46.000 Yeah.

00:34:46.000 Amen.

00:34:46.000 You see people coming to the Lord.

00:34:48.000 You see people coming to the Lord and in every facet of.

00:34:52.000 You know, in every job, and it's coming up.

00:34:54.000 And so, for this to come up is just another reminder that, you know, my favorite expression is Christ already won.

00:35:00.000 This is just a mop up mission.

00:35:02.000 Amen.

00:35:03.000 Rob Schneider, good man and a very funny man.

00:35:06.000 Good man.

00:35:07.000 And you're doing a good thing, Rob.

00:35:09.000 We just wanted to support you in that.

00:35:10.000 God bless you.

00:35:11.000 Talk to you soon.

00:35:14.000 You know, this MLB story has really gotten some legs.

00:35:17.000 You got Senator Josh Hawley is writing letters demanding answers from the MLB for penalizing Christian players for showing their faith.

00:35:26.000 You've got obviously what Rob did, you know, saying he's going to get behind them, pay their fines.

00:35:31.000 Now, you got the attorney general of the state of Florida launching an investigation into anti Christian bias by the MLB.

00:35:37.000 And I should note, by the way, that it's not like MLB is any random business.

00:35:43.000 It is worth remembering MLB gets special carve outs from Congress.

00:35:49.000 Antitrust law doesn't apply to Major League Baseball and I believe other of our professional sports leagues.

00:35:57.000 They're given a special carve out from Congress.

00:35:59.000 And Congress absolutely has the right to say if we don't think you're.

00:36:05.000 To the good of the American people, if you're pushing this very politicized agenda on your players, on your fans, we should be able to raise an eyebrow and ask, why are you getting all these special protections?

00:36:17.000 I totally agree.

00:36:18.000 And they get endless taxpayer money at the local and state level to build these stadiums that I will tell all of you are absolutely do not work out along the bottom line.

00:36:27.000 That is totally a subsidy to people who are already very wealthy.

00:36:31.000 But they're beautiful.

00:36:32.000 They're cathedrals to America's greatest.

00:36:34.000 Okay.

00:36:35.000 All right.

00:36:35.000 Dodgers fans.

00:36:36.000 All right.

00:36:37.000 This is the reason.

00:36:39.000 That I get so upset and so passionate about this issue is because I am a diehard baseball fan.

00:36:44.000 I love baseball, it is in my bones.

00:36:46.000 I played it from the time I was three years old, played it in high school.

00:36:51.000 You know, I played it growing up.

00:36:52.000 It's such a formative part of my childhood that I hate watching the MLB do this kind of crap.

00:36:58.000 So they're trying to walk it back.

00:37:00.000 I think they've been properly scolded, by the way.

00:37:02.000 They're trying to say, hey, we didn't find them.

00:37:04.000 We're just warning them.

00:37:05.000 It's a standard operating procedure.

00:37:07.000 Good.

00:37:07.000 Back off.

00:37:08.000 You've been properly warned.

00:37:10.000 All right.

00:37:11.000 Hey, I want to finish.

00:37:12.000 Some of what we were saying about this JCPOA.

00:37:15.000 The JCPOA, of course, being Obama's deal.

00:37:18.000 And the president, to his credit, has been ripping it.

00:37:21.000 And he got out of it in 2018 because it was a roadmap to getting Obama.

00:37:25.000 You know what they would do during the JCPOA?

00:37:28.000 They would announce that they're going to come inspect some site and they would give them a month warning.

00:37:33.000 And then they would come inspect the site.

00:37:35.000 And guess what?

00:37:36.000 Everything had been moved very conveniently.

00:37:39.000 All right.

00:37:39.000 It was a terrible deal, it had no teeth.

00:37:42.000 And this is the point.

00:37:44.000 President Trump deserves a lot of credit here because I'll just go through some of the names that are ripping him to shreds right now for even attempting this deal.

00:37:53.000 Okay?

00:37:54.000 Senator Lindsey Graham calling it a nightmare for Israel.

00:37:58.000 Senator Ted Cruz, who I like, said he's deeply concerned about reports of the deal, especially any involvement of figures like Rob Malley, seen as a dove.

00:38:09.000 Senator Roger Wicker, who's the Senate Armed Services Chair.

00:38:14.000 He's a Republican from Mississippi.

00:38:15.000 He labeled a rumored 60 day ceasefire a disaster.

00:38:20.000 Okay.

00:38:21.000 Mike Pompeo, former Trump Secretary of State, he compared the floated deal to Obama era approach.

00:38:27.000 Okay.

00:38:29.000 Which is what we're addressing now.

00:38:30.000 John Bolton, Mr. Walrus, who just did a plea deal with the DOJ, called it a big defeat for the U.S. Mark Levin, strongly criticized the lack of transparency.

00:38:41.000 To be fair, Mark is just asking to see the MOU.

00:38:44.000 The president has said that he's going to read it himself.

00:38:47.000 Okay, all of these people, and then you combine that with the slew of lefties that are calling this a big defeat for the U.S., that we lost a war.

00:38:54.000 Some are gloating over it.

00:38:55.000 Some people clearly just want Iran to win, and so they're going to say this because I guess they just hate America.

00:39:00.000 I don't know that they want Iran to win as much as they want Trump to win.

00:39:03.000 A lot of them want Iran to win.

00:39:04.000 I think you're right.

00:39:05.000 So, but here's the point President Trump deserves a ton of credit here because he's resisting the swan song of the neocons.

00:39:12.000 They want the old model, which is regime change.

00:39:16.000 I could make the argument.

00:39:18.000 That the best thing that ever happened in this whole conflict is that you decapitated 40 or 50 of the top leaders without a full regime change.

00:39:27.000 If there was regime change, who knows what would have happened?

00:39:31.000 Would the entire Iranian country be forced into a massive civil war right now?

00:39:37.000 This is something that Charlie would talk about that he would say when you get regime change.

00:39:41.000 We saw this in Iraq that we threw out the government, and most of the people who died in Iraq were not killed by U.S. forces fighting insurgents or insurgents attacking U.S. forces.

00:39:54.000 Most of the death in Iraq after we invaded it was Iraqis of one group.

00:39:58.000 Killing Iraqis in another group.

00:39:59.000 Correct.

00:40:00.000 Attacking Christians, Sunnis, attacking Shias.

00:40:04.000 And you can easily imagine that happening.

00:40:06.000 Iran is a multi ethnic country.

00:40:08.000 It's a country with secularists and Islamists, and some people just stuck in the middle.

00:40:13.000 That country, full of mountains, full of tribes, can absolutely go to hell in a handbasket.

00:40:18.000 And Charlie warned about that.

00:40:19.000 And so this is what I'm saying it was a very possible outcome here that after the initial strikes, after the initial bombing, that the regime could fall.

00:40:31.000 But it didn't.

00:40:31.000 It held on.

00:40:32.000 You got to give them some credit.

00:40:33.000 They're not good people.

00:40:34.000 I'm not pro the regime here.

00:40:36.000 I'm just saying you got to give them some credit for holding on.

00:40:39.000 Okay.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, they did it in a brutal way.

00:40:41.000 They killed 40,000 innocent protesters in January.

00:40:44.000 Well, guess what?

00:40:45.000 The protesters were probably scared to take to the streets again.

00:40:48.000 But this gives you the chance to say, hey, we use force.

00:40:52.000 We mean business.

00:40:53.000 Don't mess with us again as President Trump drops some bombs on you.

00:40:57.000 But at least the country is not thrown into mass chaos.

00:41:00.000 I'll never forget.

00:41:01.000 When we had those Iranians come out, they were part of the diaspora in the lead up to this, and they were saying 80% of the population would support regime change.

00:41:11.000 I'm not sure I at all believe that, first of all.

00:41:14.000 But even if it's 20 or 30% that are regime loyalists, do you think those people are just going to go away?

00:41:20.000 Do you think that if the regime fell, that they were just going to go away?

00:41:23.000 Or do you think they were going to form factions of militarized units to then attack whatever was put in its place?

00:41:29.000 So I'm not saying I know what the right outcome is.

00:41:31.000 I'm not saying that.

00:41:33.000 The regime not falling is good.

00:41:35.000 I'm just saying you could make the argument, okay?

00:41:37.000 So maybe this gives an opportunity for the hardliners and the moderates to take their places within this new command structure that is sort of existing and surviving through this conflict.

00:41:51.000 And maybe there is a real chance of having a better, more positive outcome in the end.

00:41:56.000 But here's the deal President Trump has rejected the neocon model, which was boots on the ground, which was never going to happen here.

00:42:04.000 So I don't know what they want.

00:42:06.000 That's the question.

00:42:07.000 What do they want?

00:42:08.000 Do you want American boots on the ground?

00:42:11.000 I'll lay it out.

00:42:12.000 That's what they want.

00:42:12.000 What I think, frankly, what happened with a lot of these people, I think this is what Lindsey Graham wanted.

00:42:17.000 It's what Mark Levin wanted.

00:42:19.000 They believed that they could sell President Trump on this will be easy.

00:42:23.000 You can take out the regime with a strike.

00:42:24.000 And maybe they thought that could actually happen.

00:42:26.000 But they thought if it didn't happen, he's pot committed.

00:42:31.000 They can go, well, you're already in.

00:42:33.000 You might as well put boots on the ground.

00:42:35.000 And you saw that.

00:42:35.000 You saw the people saying, oh, just a few thousand troops on Karg Island and the whole thing will fall from there.

00:42:40.000 And if that had happened and it failed, they'd say, well, we already have boots on the ground.

00:42:44.000 May as well go all the way to Tehran.

00:42:46.000 I think people thought that would happen.

00:42:47.000 And President Trump deserves credit for not going along with it, I think.

00:42:53.000 And JD Vance deserves a ton of credit as well.

00:42:55.000 He's been out front the last couple of days selling this peace deal to the American people.

00:43:00.000 And I completely support it.

00:43:02.000 I want peace.

00:43:03.000 We want peace.

00:43:04.000 It is not our job to regime change all over the world just because we don't like somebody.

00:43:10.000 Okay?

00:43:11.000 This is a great deal for the American people.

00:43:13.000 No nuclear.

00:43:14.000 That was the goal.

00:43:16.000 He accomplished the goal.

00:43:17.000 Let's get out.

00:43:17.000 Let's focus back here on the home front.

00:43:22.000 Hillsdale College.

00:43:24.000 Great books.

00:43:25.000 101. Ancient to medieval course is an absolute game changer.

00:43:30.000 I'm taking it right now, and you got to check it out.

00:43:32.000 So, before Charlie ever stepped into a debate stage or behind a microphone, he understood something important.

00:43:37.000 If you want to lead, you have to first learn.

00:43:40.000 Charlie believed that ideas shape character and conviction and courage.

00:43:44.000 And that's why he spent so many years studying the classics, the American founding, and the Bible.

00:43:48.000 And he did a lot of that through Hillsdale College's free online courses.

00:43:52.000 These are real college courses taught by actual Hillsdale students.

00:43:56.000 They're amazing, the best academics in the country.

00:43:56.000 Professors.

00:43:59.000 One of those courses, like I just said, is Great Books 101, Ancient to Medieval, where you'll study foundational authors like Homer, Augustine, Dante, Chaucer, writers who shape Western civilization, and they still speak to the deepest questions about our human nature, courage, family, and government.

00:44:16.000 The course includes Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, the epic stories of Achilles and Odysseus that have influenced the West for thousands of years, and this summer, Hillsdale College is releasing a brand new course dedicated entirely to Homer's Odyssey.

00:44:28.000 Great Books 101 is the perfect way to prepare before the full Odyssey course launches in July.

00:44:34.000 Charlie understood that learning isn't just about gaining knowledge, it's about forming the mind and character needed to face the challenges of life with wisdom and courage.

00:44:43.000 So you can enroll today completely free.

00:44:45.000 Visit charlieforhillsdale.com to start learning today.

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00:44:53.000 Learn deeply, think clearly, lead boldly, carry it forward.

00:45:00.000 We're turning our sights back to the education front because it's so critically important to the future of this country.

00:45:06.000 It's core to what Turning Point does.

00:45:08.000 It's core to what Charlie was about.

00:45:10.000 It's a core of what our focus has to be about moving forward if we're going to restore the promise for another generation of the American dream.

00:45:18.000 And here to help us do that is David Goodwin.

00:45:20.000 He's the author of a new book called Forging the American Mind.

00:45:23.000 You might remember the book that he did alongside Pete Hegseth called The Battle for the American Mind.

00:45:29.000 So this looks like the follow up.

00:45:31.000 And I love the subhead, by the way.

00:45:33.000 A year by year guide for classical Christian education, transforming K 12 learning practices for teaching virtue and wisdom.

00:45:40.000 David, welcome back to the show.

00:45:42.000 Well, thanks a lot, Andrew.

00:45:43.000 It's good to be with you again.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:45:45.000 So, you know, I have young kids that are kind of traveling this path now.

00:45:50.000 And it's crazy.

00:45:51.000 As soon as you go into this stage of your life, you realize just how critically important education is.

00:45:57.000 When you're single, when you're not married, you don't think about it.

00:46:00.000 And unfortunately, America has a lot of single unmarried people more and more these days.

00:46:04.000 So, I don't think it's as much of a focus as it should be.

00:46:07.000 You've made this your life's pursuit.

00:46:10.000 And I just, I'm so excited for you to tell us about this book.

00:46:13.000 You are the president of the Association for Classical Christian Schools.

00:46:17.000 So you are the man on this.

00:46:19.000 So tell us about your book.

00:46:20.000 Well, you know, one of the things I love so much about Charlie was that when we first met back in 2022, or 2021, he got it immediately.

00:46:29.000 He had been working in politics for quite a while at that point.

00:46:32.000 And he realized that all politics are downstream from education ultimately.

00:46:37.000 And he was.

00:46:38.000 Committed to that.

00:46:38.000 That's why I'm here at Turning Point Education in Chicago and coming to you from here because I'm working with the great institution that Charlie's put forward to try and build classical Christian education into the lexicon of all Americans.

00:46:54.000 With regard to, yes, certainly, I think parents suddenly, when that child turns five years old, they start looking around.

00:47:03.000 I think it's really incumbent on every American, every patriot to be looking at education, not For their own kids, although that's certainly important, but for civilization.

00:47:13.000 Civilization cannot sustain itself without an educational system that is supportive of the values of the West, which is classical Christian education.

00:47:21.000 Yeah, for the newly watching or the people that are unfamiliar with what classical Christian education even is, maybe just define what it is so that we have our lexicon right.

00:47:34.000 Right.

00:47:35.000 Well, you know, the best way I can talk about that is when Pete Hegseth originally called me back in 2020 and wanted to know if we had a patriotic form of education.

00:47:45.000 My response to him was well, classical Christian education isn't patriotic per se, but it is the education that all of our founding fathers had.

00:47:53.000 We were steeped in.

00:47:56.000 So, in effect, it's the mother of patriotism.

00:47:59.000 It brings in the important values.

00:48:02.000 It's really based in training children how to think well and how to be virtuous, and then working with children to develop their wonder, their interest in the world around them, and trying to do that in the context of this book that you had shown.

00:48:22.000 That, when we got done with the battle for the American mind, it became a New York Times number one bestseller.

00:48:29.000 And it sold strongly all summer long.

00:48:31.000 So it wasn't just a flash in the pan.

00:48:34.000 And even to this day, it's still a very strong selling book.

00:48:38.000 And that's unusual for political books.

00:48:40.000 And it was only sort of political.

00:48:43.000 But when we got done with it, the people at HarperCollins who published the original said, we really need a follow on that can describe what this classical education is and how it works.

00:48:53.000 And that's what this book does it gives you insight into exactly how to make this difference in our cultural war today.

00:49:02.000 So, how do you make this difference?

00:49:04.000 I suppose that's the obvious follow up there.

00:49:07.000 What are the key steps?

00:49:08.000 So, first off, it's based in the trivium, which are grammar, logic, and rhetoric.

00:49:13.000 So, you train kids how to use words well.

00:49:15.000 They read a lot of serious, more serious books, and you teach them the grammar of how to understand those books well.

00:49:26.000 Then, you train them in logic, using logic to work their way through arguments.

00:49:31.000 And then, you do what's called the Rhetoric's age when they kind of develop their understanding and their ability to communicate with others.

00:49:40.000 I mean, obviously, Charlie was a master of rhetoric naturally.

00:49:43.000 Most of us aren't naturally that way.

00:49:46.000 And so we have to be trained up in it.

00:49:48.000 And so it does those things, but it also works with biblical integration.

00:49:52.000 So there's only one source of truth.

00:49:55.000 That one source of truth is Christ, and that informs all of our subjects.

00:49:59.000 So you don't find as many Bible classes and chapels in classical Christian schools.

00:50:03.000 Most of what you see is the integration of Christ.

00:50:06.000 Into the understanding of science, into the understanding of politics, into the understanding of literature and the humanities.

00:50:15.000 So, those are some of the elements of classical Christian education.

00:50:20.000 It is a very different form of education, it breaks most of the rules that you were probably taught in school.

00:50:26.000 For example, a lot of public schools, they'll say, you know, what will a student know and what will they be able to do?

00:50:34.000 We call that, and history has called that servile education.

00:50:37.000 You're basically just training someone to do a job.

00:50:40.000 What classical Christian education does is train someone to be a citizen who can shape the future of the country.

00:50:47.000 And that's why Charlie was so keen on it.

00:50:49.000 I mean, there are so many reasons to get behind classical Christian education.

00:50:54.000 I think it's by far the most effective form of education.

00:50:59.000 You talk about how young kids learn to think, they learn to use logic, they learn to use grammar.

00:51:06.000 But also, it does tend to create patriots and it does tend to insulate against some of these values of wokeness.

00:51:13.000 The capture of the public school system.

00:51:16.000 And here's one of my favorite aspects of it is that when you get a kid in private education, classical Christian education, you're helping to break the back of the public teachers' unions.

00:51:28.000 Maybe describe how powerful they have become, David, and why they pose such a threat to the nation.

00:51:33.000 You know, I've been working on some projects that involve the public schools, and I haven't done that before.

00:51:39.000 I have been shocked at how much the unions have really destroyed education in this country.

00:51:45.000 And I hate to overstate it, I don't want to use it.

00:51:48.000 Hyperbolic language, but really, I had no idea coming in the private school world.

00:51:53.000 I never worked in the public sector.

00:51:56.000 The teachers are just constrained.

00:51:59.000 They really can't provoke wonder in students anymore because of all the bureaucratic red tape that goes on in these schools.

00:52:05.000 So I think the public schools are going to die a death of their own making.

00:52:09.000 I don't really think the loss of classical Christian education to our culture needs to be its counterpoint because it's just wilting on the vine.

00:52:19.000 The unions are so powerful, they're assuring that that's the case.

00:52:23.000 I'm here in Chicago, where the union, the teachers' union, single handedly elected the mayor in terms of money.

00:52:30.000 You see this kind of thing, and you go, okay, those who are in power don't care very much.

00:52:37.000 I'll tell a quick story here.

00:52:39.000 I was in a room full of public educators, and I was trying to figure out who would be an ally for the student.

00:52:44.000 And there were like two out of a room full of 70 public educators who ever said anything in the course of Hours of conversation about the students.

00:52:54.000 They talked about all kinds of systems and processes and their own interests, but they didn't talk about the students.

00:53:00.000 And I just don't think you should trust the public schools with your kids.

00:53:06.000 If you have kids, get them out of the public schools.

00:53:09.000 I hope you bring them to a classical Christian school, but if you don't, teach them at home.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, that's such a damning indictment.

00:53:17.000 I don't think you should trust your kids with the public schools.

00:53:20.000 Charlie definitely agreed with that.

00:53:21.000 I agree with that.

00:53:23.000 It's one of the reasons school choice is so critically important, and you should put them in a classical Christian school if you can, or as you said, homeschool.

00:53:31.000 All right.

00:53:32.000 We are talking about classical Christian education with David Goodwin.

00:53:37.000 He's the author of Forging the American Mind.

00:53:39.000 And you, like I said, you might remember his book with Pete Hegseth, Battle for the American Mind Uprooting a Century of Miseducation.

00:53:47.000 How do these two books play into one another, David?

00:53:51.000 Well, when Pete and I got to the end of Battle for the American Mind, which was really diagnosing the Problem that we had in American education.

00:53:59.000 We thought, how will we end this?

00:54:00.000 And we decided that, you know, I asked him, I said, what was it you did in the military?

00:54:06.000 And he said he was a counterinsurgency officer.

00:54:09.000 Now, I don't have any military background.

00:54:10.000 So I said, what is that?

00:54:12.000 And he said, well, when you have a small force and you are not able to overcome the enemy directly, you kind of do it through an insurgency.

00:54:21.000 And I said, well, that's what we need to do.

00:54:23.000 We need to start an insurgency for education.

00:54:25.000 And so that's how we ended the book, was With a call to people to join the insurgency, to get their kids out of public schools, get them into classical Christian schools.

00:54:35.000 And then we left it.

00:54:38.000 And so the question what do we do?

00:54:41.000 How do we do that?

00:54:43.000 So, one of the points I make, and I think Pete makes this in the introduction to this book, actually, Pete writes the foreword of it, and he makes the point that the Army field guide is the hand companion for every foot.

00:54:59.000 Soldier out there to give them all the information they need to do their job out in the field.

00:55:04.000 So, I would call this a field guide for classical education, whether it's for parents, for the politically interested, or for educators.

00:55:13.000 It will tell you exactly what you need to know to get the job done.

00:55:17.000 And that's what it set out to do.

00:55:18.000 I love that insurgency.

00:55:20.000 Yeah.

00:55:20.000 And I feel so upbeat about this because you and I know one of the struggles we go against, it's so tempting to black pill, to be dispirited.

00:55:27.000 And education is one of the fields where I feel you should be so happy about what's happened.

00:55:33.000 You have, it's always a political struggle, it's a struggle here in Arizona, but the laws for Educating your own children how you want are better than ever.

00:55:41.000 You can get vouchers, stuff for homeschooling.

00:55:44.000 The resources for it are absolutely incredible at this point.

00:55:47.000 The ways you can organize with other parents if you wanted to do a homeschooling co op, a homeschooling pod, whatever you want to call those things, they've gotten so good.

00:55:55.000 And I just feel, and then you compare with that story you were telling about unionized teachers in Chicago, where these have become a totally parasitic apparatus.

00:56:05.000 They exist to funnel taxpayer money to teachers, whether they teach or not, and spoilers, they don't.

00:56:12.000 I just feel we've set up a very strong system where our children are going to learn and they're going to have values and they're going to know how to teach themselves.

00:56:20.000 And the people coming out of these madrasas they're setting up in Chicago or Los Angeles or any blue city of choice, they're not going to know anything and they're not going to know how to fix that.

00:56:34.000 Yeah.

00:56:34.000 Are you seeing that, David?

00:56:35.000 The quality of the students coming out of the classical Christian programs and the institutions that have been set up?

00:56:42.000 I mean, They've got to be comparatively way more competitive when you compare them to their public school counterparts.

00:56:49.000 Yeah, well, a couple of resources on that.

00:56:50.000 So, we did a study a few years ago called the Good Soil Study.

00:56:53.000 It was done by the University of Notre Dame in conjunction with several others, and it compared graduates age 24 to 44 in their life outcomes, not just academics, although it did include that part, but also their joy in life and their church attendance and things like that.

00:57:14.000 It's very affirmative that classical Christian education is radically different and produces radically different outcomes.

00:57:20.000 I want to go back to what was said.

00:57:22.000 You can find that, by the way, on classicalchristian.org.

00:57:26.000 It's called the Good Soil Study.

00:57:27.000 But I want to go back to what was said about school choice programs.

00:57:31.000 So we are sitting at the cusp of a huge opportunity, and this is where we can really thank the Trump administration.

00:57:37.000 There's a federal tax credit starting next year that'll be available, and that is going to help with school choice if you're not living in Arizona.

00:57:45.000 In fact, it helps in most states.

00:57:47.000 Almost all states, the governors have to approve it.

00:57:50.000 But the other is that 17 or 19, I think it's up to 19 now, states have put in what are called universal school choice programs, which, like, for example, in the state of Texas, you can get up to $10,000 to send your child to a private school there.

00:58:04.000 And it's not income constrained, like is often the case, at least not income constrained in a meaningful way.

00:58:11.000 So there's lots of opportunity coming for parents now who can't afford classical Christian education, but that will be able to in the next year.

00:58:19.000 Be sure and keep your eye on those programs because we're expecting to have to build around 5,000 new schools to meet the demand over those 19 states at this point.

00:58:31.000 And we've got a site that we've put up for that that Pete helped me with called battleforschool.org.

00:58:39.000 If you're interested in helping with that, you can jump in there.

00:58:42.000 But it is going to be the opportunity of a lifetime for us in the next couple of years because of school choice to be able to move parents away from the public school system.

00:58:54.000 I love it.

00:58:55.000 I just want to explain to the audience one more time why this is such a passionate issue.

00:59:00.000 And you mentioned at the beginning, you are at the Educator Summit in Chicago with Turning Point, which is a sold out event.

00:59:07.000 I think we have the graphic up there.

00:59:10.000 Really proud of what the team has put together and what they're accomplishing there.

00:59:13.000 So, God bless you for that.

00:59:15.000 Some of the best minds in education are gathered right now, making a difference and forging a new future for America's children and America's students.

00:59:24.000 But listen, if you want to break, if you look at what's happening in California, for example, with the crazy.

00:59:31.000 Election earing that's been going on.

00:59:34.000 You know, as Steve Hilton calls it, it's legalized corruption.

00:59:37.000 So much of that.

00:59:38.000 And you see in Chicago, where you're at right now, so much of what we see, these insane outcomes, happens directly because the teachers' unions are taking taxpayer money, funneling it into the unions, and funneling it into Democrat politicians who are not putting the best interests of your children first.

00:59:56.000 Let's just be really honest about that.

00:59:57.000 And let's be frank, too, that we always hear about, oh, colleges turn kids to the left.

00:59:57.000 Go ahead.

01:00:02.000 But I'd say it's vastly more important that they're sitting in these Public schools or private schools that are woke being fed all of these lies from the age of five to the age of six, they get every left wing assumption baked into their head at a very young age by pretty sinister people.

01:00:19.000 And a lot of people didn't really realize this until COVID.

01:00:21.000 We have the chance to break this apparatus.

01:00:23.000 Yeah.

01:00:23.000 And guys like David Goodwin are leading the charge.

01:00:26.000 So God bless you.

01:00:27.000 I'm so glad that the momentum started with Pete Hegseth is continuing on and continuing on through this book, through Educators Summit.

01:00:35.000 It is the future.

01:00:36.000 It is truly a top three issue.

01:00:39.000 Maybe it's the top issue.

01:00:40.000 So, thank you for leading the charge, David.

01:00:42.000 Appreciate you.

01:00:42.000 Well, it's a joy.

01:00:43.000 And as Pete says, it is the issue.

01:00:45.000 So, thank you.

01:00:47.000 Good to be with you.

01:00:50.000 Good conversation is about respect.

01:00:53.000 It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard.

01:00:57.000 Charlie knew that.

01:00:58.000 Turning Point still knows that.

01:00:59.000 And TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.

01:01:09.000 When ideas meet respect, good things happen.

01:01:11.000 On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers.

01:01:20.000 Viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond.

01:01:22.000 TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding.

01:01:26.000 You can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.

01:01:31.000 TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something real.

01:01:39.000 So, we have a special treat in store for you guys.

01:01:42.000 We have two students.

01:01:43.000 We like to do this sometimes on the show because it's so important that you, the audience, and America in general understand what young students are thinking.

01:01:50.000 And we just did our Women's Leadership Summit.

01:01:52.000 So, we thought we would focus it on women's issues.

01:01:56.000 All right.

01:01:56.000 So, here to help us do that is Sage Lloyd, Utah Valley University TPUSA chapter member, and Kristen Roberts, Keller, Texas Homeschool Grad Club America.

01:02:06.000 Did I get that right?

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:07.000 Hey, ladies.

01:02:08.000 How are you?

01:02:10.000 Good.

01:02:10.000 How are you?

01:02:11.000 Doing great.

01:02:12.000 So, you guys both went to.

01:02:13.000 Women's Leadership Summit this year.

01:02:15.000 I'm going to start with you, Sage.

01:02:16.000 Give us your overall impressions.

01:02:18.000 Was it your first time, second time, third time?

01:02:20.000 And what did you take away from the event?

01:02:22.000 Yeah, so that was my first time going.

01:02:24.000 It was so, so good.

01:02:25.000 I feel like we learned a lot about how to empower women to lead and to be strong conservatives, but not in the way that typical feminists try to empower women.

01:02:33.000 I feel like the modern feminist movement has taken away empowerment from women.

01:02:37.000 So I really like seeing things from a conservative side and understanding how to be a strong leader and how to lead as a woman in the day and age that we're in, where it's very difficult.

01:02:47.000 So, what are some examples of what that leadership would look like?

01:02:49.000 Because I do, I agree with you.

01:02:51.000 There is a feminist model of this, which is you got to be a girl boss, you got to freeze your eggs, you got to hate men, and you got to earn all this money.

01:03:00.000 And I don't know, whatever else they're pitching these days.

01:03:03.000 But the conservative, more traditional value set looks a lot different.

01:03:08.000 So, what specifically did you see in terms of what that leadership would look like?

01:03:13.000 I think a lot of it.

01:03:14.000 We had some really good speakers that talked a lot about how to be a strong mother and how to be a strong wife, which I think is something that gets overlooked a lot.

01:03:21.000 When you hear the leftist cries about hating traditional values and And hating trad wives.

01:03:25.000 They try to pull away from wives submitting to their husbands and being there to help out their husbands and want to separate that completely.

01:03:33.000 I mean, we have a lot of man haters in my generation.

01:03:36.000 So we learned a lot from some really good speakers about how to engage with your family in a way that's productive and how to lead not only those around you, but your children.

01:03:44.000 I mean, you're raising a future generation of the next leader.

01:03:47.000 So how to properly raise your children and support your husband in a way that's going to have a meaningful impact.

01:03:53.000 Kristen, you're from Texas.

01:03:55.000 Was this your first WLS?

01:03:57.000 No, it is not.

01:03:58.000 I have been going to YWLS since I was 14.

01:04:01.000 So this is.

01:04:02.000 No way.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, I've been going many times.

01:04:05.000 Wow.

01:04:05.000 So why do you keep going back?

01:04:07.000 And what have you seen over the years?

01:04:11.000 Has it changed?

01:04:12.000 Has the messaging changed?

01:04:14.000 I'm curious about that perspective.

01:04:16.000 So my first year, I was very young.

01:04:16.000 Yeah.

01:04:18.000 I had just gotten out of middle school.

01:04:20.000 And the first year was so impactful in my life.

01:04:23.000 I went home and I was so inspired by Alex Clark.

01:04:28.000 Charlie Kirk and all the other women speaking.

01:04:31.000 And every year, whenever they were around my town, I always try to go.

01:04:34.000 This was my first time going to San Antonio, one.

01:04:37.000 But this year, as being graduated from high school, it was so inspiring hearing Alex Clark hear her speak and seeing the maturity that she's grown over the years in how she was single and she was trying to empower us as women.

01:04:52.000 But now she's in maturity of how to become a great wife, a great mother, and also for those who are single and how to become that for their children in the future.

01:05:02.000 Well, so this is always the controversy at our women's event here.

01:05:06.000 Is, you know, I think a lot of journalists that cover it or write about it, they like to kind of mock, you know, women being thoughtful about wanting to be a wife or being a good mother.

01:05:18.000 And I think they look at that still, even in the reporting, as less than or weakness.

01:05:24.000 And it's not like we're telling women they can't have a career or that they shouldn't pursue their own, you know, businesses or whatever.

01:05:32.000 But it's kind of an emphasis, right?

01:05:34.000 The culture would emphasize you got to do all these things.

01:05:38.000 And then when you're 30 and you're already established in your career, then you can start thinking about getting married or whatever.

01:05:44.000 And you see this from like Call Your Daddy.

01:05:46.000 Was it Call Her Daddy or Call You Daddy?

01:05:48.000 Call Her Daddy.

01:05:49.000 Call Her Daddy.

01:05:50.000 Thank you.

01:05:51.000 Thank you, studio.

01:05:52.000 I can't say I have seen it.

01:05:53.000 I'm not a fan.

01:05:53.000 Well, we did a whole thought crime on it.

01:05:55.000 I remember.

01:05:56.000 Anyways, but you see that, right?

01:05:57.000 Like she's just somebody that had her career during her 20s and now she's like, what, 31, 32 or something.

01:06:03.000 And she's now getting married.

01:06:05.000 I guess that's the right timeline.

01:06:06.000 But like.

01:06:07.000 I think accelerating the timeline of when women start thinking about those things is a really important thing, just biologically.

01:06:13.000 People get mad when you say that, but it's true.

01:06:16.000 How do you interpret the messaging from that event and just in general, in culture, and in the conservative movement about balancing the career and family?

01:06:27.000 Either of you can take it.

01:06:28.000 I got you.

01:06:30.000 It was super encouraging for me because when we're out of high school, everybody's like, Where are you going to college?

01:06:34.000 What are you going to do for your career?

01:06:36.000 And being the person of, I want to become a mother, I want to be a wife.

01:06:41.000 I want to be holistic in what I do in my day to day life is so unpopular.

01:06:45.000 You get the kind of the little concerned look of like, that's so different, strange.

01:06:51.000 But honestly, I think us women, you can do a career your entire life.

01:06:56.000 You can do whatever you need to do.

01:06:58.000 But learning from Charlie and these other women, having that and being stuck in an office all day, every day, and what you're told is a happy life, then you're 40 and you don't have kids.

01:07:09.000 You're not unhappily married with all your cats.

01:07:11.000 And you're like, you feel like you've missed it that beauty in that part of your life.

01:07:16.000 So being able to be that difference and raise a younger generation.

01:07:20.000 To be, know what true happiness is.

01:07:23.000 I think we've lost that in the feminism world, they're trying to sell something that is happy and you have all the power, but at the end of the day, they're just, that's not for them.

01:07:33.000 That's not what we want to do.

01:07:35.000 Leaves you empty.

01:07:36.000 Sage, what about you?

01:07:37.000 How do you balance that conversation?

01:07:39.000 Because again, it's always the controversy, you know, career versus family, especially at the women's event.

01:07:46.000 How do you balance it?

01:07:47.000 I think it's really difficult.

01:07:48.000 It's taken me a long time to get used to, but since I was young, my dream job was always to be a mother, to be a homemaker.

01:07:55.000 And I have received a lot of negativity for that, especially from professors and even mentors that I looked up to because I mean, I was involved with a lot of things at school.

01:08:04.000 I think I had a very bright future career wise, but that's not the path I wanted to take.

01:08:08.000 I wanted to be a mother.

01:08:10.000 And I would have all these people I looked up to telling me I was wasting talent and I was wasting my time and not going to be effective in this world.

01:08:18.000 And it's so frustrating because I'll argue with people who are so called feminists and I'll say, if feminism dictates that I can be anything I want, Then I should be allowed to be a mother and to be a homemaker, but they just dig and dig at it because they don't want to see strong women raising strong children sometimes.

01:08:33.000 That's such a good point.

01:08:34.000 It's like Charlie used to always say that to socialists.

01:08:37.000 In America, you're free to be a socialist.

01:08:40.000 Go have a co op somewhere.

01:08:41.000 That's the beauty of it.

01:08:42.000 And you guys should feel absolutely empowered and free to be whatever you want to be.

01:08:46.000 So I guess the question then is well, I'm assuming neither of you are married.

01:08:50.000 Would that be a correct assumption?

01:08:52.000 Right.

01:08:53.000 Okay, yet.

01:08:54.000 So what do you do in the interim?

01:08:56.000 You're in that in between, not yet period.

01:08:59.000 Are you going to be pursuing a career or a vocation of some sort?

01:09:03.000 I kind of am.

01:09:04.000 For me, I'm in college right now.

01:09:05.000 Part of that's just because I love to learn.

01:09:08.000 I don't necessarily plan to use my degree in the future, but I think it's good to further education.

01:09:12.000 And it's a good place to meet people and get engaged.

01:09:14.000 That's kind of why I'm there.

01:09:16.000 And then I do want to work short term.

01:09:18.000 I actually do plan to work for Turning Point at some point in the future if possible.

01:09:21.000 But a lot of that is just interim for me.

01:09:24.000 It's until I meet that person and until I start that family.

01:09:27.000 But ultimately, the end goal is to be a mom.

01:09:29.000 But obviously, I can't put a timeline on when I'm going to get married, even though I wish I could.

01:09:33.000 It's just kind of finding things to fill my time that still keep me productive and are helping to better me as a person so that I can become the person I need to be for my future spouse.

01:09:42.000 What about you, Kristen?

01:09:43.000 Yeah, I'm just graduating high school and I decided not to do college, but I am definitely wanting to get more into TPUSA and working for them.

01:09:52.000 And my angle is the same as Sage to become a mother and to be a wife.

01:09:56.000 But during this time of singleness and not being with anyone, I find it so treasurable in building myself, educating myself on like vaccines for my kids.

01:10:06.000 Like, how do I want to raise my kids?

01:10:08.000 And becoming the person that I would want to marry for that person that I ended up being with.

01:10:14.000 And there's no better time than when you're single to figure out who you are and who you want to be with Christ.

01:10:20.000 Because during that time, guest dating is amazing and being engaged, but it's not the same as being single and really finding who you are for that future person.

01:10:30.000 So I agree.

01:10:31.000 I think God has a really, singledom can be hard for some people, but it's also a time where God forges your character.

01:10:39.000 And teaches you all the things that you would need to, if you say yes to his invitation to learn, right?

01:10:46.000 You learn those things that you would need to be a good husband or good wife.

01:10:50.000 And so it's a precious time.

01:10:51.000 It could be hard, it could be frustrating.

01:10:53.000 Just ask Alex Clark, who I agree, she was super courageous the way she gave her speech.

01:10:59.000 Blake is still single.

01:11:01.000 It could be easy to.

01:11:01.000 Blake makes it look easy.

01:11:03.000 So we want to hear your thoughts on the issues of the day.

01:11:06.000 I want to start with you, Sage.

01:11:08.000 When you think about politics, what are the key issues, especially as we're heading to the midterms, that you're thinking about?

01:11:13.000 I think there are the basic things that cross most, especially young women's minds, which are, you know, costs of living, housing costs, especially for those who want to eventually raise a family and buy a home.

01:11:23.000 But I think one of the biggest issues that's on my mind today is political disengagement.

01:11:27.000 I'm seeing a lot of young voters that feel that the system isn't listening to them, which is definitely affecting voter turnout.

01:11:34.000 And I see this especially with conservative women.

01:11:37.000 But I think that there's quite the attack on motherhood and nuclear family these days.

01:11:40.000 So I'm hoping that'll kind of drive them back to the polls because we need to get more young women out voting.

01:11:45.000 Well, Sage, let's expand on this a little bit.

01:11:47.000 So, you must know other students.

01:11:49.000 If you have any personal stories to share, you say they're getting disengaged.

01:11:54.000 Have you heard from them?

01:11:55.000 Have they said, I maybe I voted for Trump in 2024, but I'm mad about this?

01:12:01.000 Or, on the flip side, is there something where they're happy about something that's going on?

01:12:05.000 Do you have any personal experiences in that vein?

01:12:08.000 I mean, a lot of it is just, I'll be honest, the widespread lies by the media.

01:12:12.000 I'll have friends that come to me and say, Oh, well, Trump did this huge thing, or somebody on the left did this, and this is bad.

01:12:17.000 A lot of times you fact check these things and they're not even true.

01:12:19.000 But the frustration is that a lot of my conservative friends just feel like there's no point in them voting.

01:12:24.000 You hear a lot of them, my vote's going to be canceled out and things like that.

01:12:27.000 And I hear friends on the left that are voting on pretenses that are false.

01:12:31.000 They see things in the media that misconstrue.

01:12:33.000 So they're voting for candidates I don't always support.

01:12:36.000 Whereas my conservative friends are just not voting because they just don't care to as much and they don't feel like there's a point to it, which is that's how we lose.

01:12:44.000 So specifically, when you say that they're believing lies, do you think they're, are you hearing about, let's say, Epstein stuff, are they mad about that?

01:12:52.000 Are they mad about Iran?

01:12:53.000 Are they mad about ICE?

01:12:54.000 Did they get really upset by some of the stuff with the ICE raids in Minneapolis?

01:12:58.000 I know that was very, that was covered very negatively by the media.

01:13:00.000 They're conservatives.

01:13:01.000 Maybe they're saying, well, we're not getting mass deportations anyways.

01:13:05.000 I hear a lot of different issues.

01:13:07.000 I know for one, it is mass deportations.

01:13:09.000 I have some friends that were hopeful for a more tightly closed border, more deportations, and they're not seeing that.

01:13:15.000 I know also things like the war in Iran are frustrating topics for some people that are close to me.

01:13:21.000 Highly debated among some of my friends.

01:13:23.000 And also, a lot of distrust came from the release of the Epstein files and that whole situation because there was just so much being put out and so much conversation around it, especially in the media, that a lot of it just turned a lot of people off from wanting to even engage.

01:13:37.000 Kristen, what about you?

01:13:38.000 Are you seeing that similar trend amongst your conservative friends that just disengagement with the political process?

01:13:44.000 I've seen that with certain people.

01:13:46.000 They just, they know it's happening, but they just don't want to be.

01:13:51.000 Very much a part of it or like fully engaged, like as she was saying.

01:13:54.000 I think it's just like they don't care as much.

01:13:57.000 But then there's others that are very much passionate about what is happening.

01:14:00.000 I mean, the thing that I've seen the most for women is the most impactful is the Islam takeover here in Texas.

01:14:07.000 Texas is being very hit with the whole propaganda that Islam is okay and that can coincide with our American values.

01:14:17.000 I mean, just a couple months ago, recently, Epic City was trying to build their own city for Sharia law.

01:14:25.000 For those who don't know, EPIC stands for East Plano Islamic Center.

01:14:29.000 They have a massive mosque out there in a small town outside of Plano.

01:14:33.000 And Senator John Cornyn had to reach out to the DOJ to hold an investigation because it goes against our laws of discriminating people for not letting them live in those cities.

01:14:46.000 Like they're trying to bring their values and their laws and their religion onto us.

01:14:54.000 And like Churchill said one time, Muslims are the minority and they'll agree with the majority.

01:14:59.000 Once they're the majority, they do not care about the minority.

01:15:03.000 They're remaining quiet.

01:15:04.000 And then you have the left who is agreeing and is supporting Islam, even though if they were to go in Iran or these other Middle Eastern countries and came out as what they are, they would be killed.

01:15:16.000 Immediately, they would be killed, they would be beaten, thrown in jail.

01:15:19.000 Like it is intense under Sharia law.

01:15:22.000 And domestic violence is allowed in Sharia law.

01:15:25.000 In Quran 434, if a woman does not respect or obey her husband, he first distances himself and then allows him to beat her.

01:15:35.000 This is not like this is not our law whatsoever.

01:15:39.000 They cannot believe what they believe, as well as be able to try to, I guess, try to agree with us and what we believe in as well.

01:15:50.000 And there's a whole form of taxation and subjugation if you are in the minority in a Muslim country.

01:15:57.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 And Texas, I mean, I think the audience, our audience would know very well that Texas, the whole Islamic debate has been raging.

01:16:05.000 There was a big event, I guess, with the Was it the Texas GOP convention?

01:16:08.000 Yes, yeah.

01:16:09.000 They were just getting some Muslims went to the GOP convention, and there's a write up in some Texas publication that's like they showed up and they were told, You need to leave the convention?

01:16:19.000 No, the country.

01:16:21.000 Yeah, so Texas is front lines for that.

01:16:24.000 And anyway, so that's interesting.

01:16:25.000 I mean, you guys are seeing a breadth of disengagement to engagement.

01:16:29.000 Do you see that more with young men, the disengagement sage, or is it also young women?

01:16:35.000 I definitely see it with my generation entirely, but I do tend to see it more with women than with men.

01:16:41.000 I know I went at the women's conference.

01:16:43.000 I attended a breakout session with Turning Point Action, and they were actually going over the numbers of conservative women, and they're not voting as much as they should be.

01:16:50.000 So it's across both genders, but I definitely see it more with women.

01:16:54.000 What about Maha?

01:16:55.000 Are you guys big Maha supporters?

01:16:58.000 Yes, 100%.

01:17:00.000 Do you feel satisfied with the progress that RFK Jr. and others on the Maha train that you've seen from the Trump administration?

01:17:08.000 I know it takes a lot of time to fix the.

01:17:13.000 The current situation of our health in our food, in our society.

01:17:19.000 So it is a little hard to, with the impatience.

01:17:21.000 I think there are some things I know that Alex Clark has touched on her disappointments with glyphosate.

01:17:28.000 Yeah.

01:17:30.000 I know all about it.

01:17:30.000 The whole peptides and all about it.

01:17:33.000 And so that is a little concerning.

01:17:35.000 I am hoping for the next two years, and maybe we'll see a large change in that because I know it'll take time.

01:17:42.000 But that is something I'm definitely looking forward to and slightly concerned with as well.

01:17:45.000 Sage?

01:17:46.000 Yeah, just to piggyback, I think the same thing.

01:17:48.000 There are a lot of improvements I've been really proud about.

01:17:50.000 I think RFK has done a lot for the movement that we haven't seen from others, but there's definitely room to go still.

01:17:56.000 But I think it's just something that takes time, and the amount of awareness we have is more than I've ever seen at any point in my life.

01:18:02.000 And I think it's vital.

01:18:03.000 So I'm glad to see the direction that the movement is heading.

01:18:06.000 We've got Sage, Lloyd, and Kristen Roberts, Women's Leadership Summit attendees, Turning Point members.

01:18:12.000 Thank you guys so much for joining.

01:18:14.000 It's critically important that people know what young people are thinking and feeling in this country.

01:18:18.000 So God bless you guys.

01:18:20.000 And be well.

01:18:25.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 17, 2026

Why Trump Changes Everything About Iran

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