The Charlie Kirk Show - September 05, 2020


Why Trump is the Outsider Incumbent w- Katie Pavlich


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Katie Pavlich of Fox News and Townhall joins the show to discuss whether or not Joe Biden will debate in Wisconsin on Tuesday night, and why she thinks it's a good idea for him to do so.

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00:01:19.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:20.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:21.000 Super thrilled to be joined by a good friend of mine who she is an editor at Town Hall and also a contributor for Fox News, Katie Pavlich.
00:01:31.000 Katie, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:33.000 Charlie, it's great to be on with you.
00:01:34.000 Thanks for having me.
00:01:35.000 So last week, we saw the RNC and before that, the DNC, and your commentary on television was terrific.
00:01:42.000 What do you make as the state of the race right now?
00:01:45.000 It seems that polls are tightening.
00:01:47.000 You have been commenting, I think, correctly, that Joe Biden has been going in the wrong direction.
00:01:52.000 What do you make of the state of the race as of today?
00:01:56.000 Well, I know that the big joke on Joe Biden is that he plagiarizes everything, but watching his behavior on the so-called campaign trail kind of proves that.
00:02:07.000 He's continuing his lead from behind attitude and procedure, just like President Obama did on a number of issues.
00:02:16.000 You know, he's visiting Kenosha now that President Trump has visited Kenosha, Wisconsin.
00:02:22.000 We actively await for the Democratic governor there to tell him he should not come, as he told President Trump.
00:02:29.000 You know, he outlined his vision for how he would have handled the China coronavirus, but he did everything following what President Trump has already done, pulling, especially like manufacturing a PPE out of China, getting our drugs manufactured in the United States, invoking the Defense Production Act, et cetera, et cetera.
00:02:51.000 So in terms of how they're doing, they seem to be following President Trump's lead on the issues.
00:02:58.000 But in terms of other things that they're doing, you know, Joe Biden today gave a press conference for the first time in weeks, took some questions.
00:03:08.000 He's, you know, before the convention thought that he could win this thing by simply staying at home and speaking to people over the internet.
00:03:16.000 We know that's not true now as they kind of hit the panic button and try and get him into places for short periods of time.
00:03:21.000 I think they're really starting to realize that the Trump campaign has the upper hand when it comes to the grassroots campaign, the ground game, and what they actually built for the president over the last four years with the momentum of the 2016 win.
00:03:38.000 And what I mean by that is the Trump campaign and the RNC have been knocking on a million doors a week.
00:03:43.000 The Biden campaign has done none of that.
00:03:45.000 Vice President Mike Pence has been in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania for weeks now going around talking to voters.
00:03:56.000 Biden's campaign has done none of that.
00:03:58.000 It's almost like they haven't learned that you can't win states by not going to them, especially when you're trying to win back voters.
00:04:05.000 So, you know, everybody always cites the polling, which is tightening now, but polling is just one aspect of this bigger, you know, complex issue of the campaign.
00:04:15.000 And on the grassroots effort and getting into, you know, the inboxes and at the front doors of voters, the Trump campaign is just far and beyond what anything the Biden campaign has been able to accomplish at this time.
00:04:28.000 I think that's a very smart analysis.
00:04:30.000 And I believe that there's other contributing factors as to actually who's going to win the presidency outside of just public polling.
00:04:36.000 I mean, the final poll taken before Wisconsin was Hillary Clinton up seven points.
00:04:40.000 They didn't even bother polling it.
00:04:42.000 And President Trump won Wisconsin and, of course, similar in Michigan.
00:04:46.000 Your Twitter has been terrific lately.
00:04:48.000 And you retweeted a series of tweets calling out Governor Evers, who this was Reince Priebus' tweet, which I thought was terrific.
00:04:55.000 He said, waiting for Governor Evers' statement asking Joe Biden not to come to Kenosha.
00:05:00.000 Now, it's really interesting to me why Joe Biden would be going to visit a site of peaceful protests and why he now feels the need to do it.
00:05:06.000 My working theory on this, Katie, is that Joe Biden and the Democrats made a very big, awful error in judgment.
00:05:13.000 And I said this on our podcast recently, that Joe Biden, if all he had to do was come out and denounce the violence and the protests and what they were doing just slightly, and it very well could have been a political deathblow to Donald Trump.
00:05:25.000 In fact, their gaslighting of acting as if these don't exist and just poking people in the eyes and saying, oh, they're just peaceful protests, I think it opened up an opportunity for President Trump to turn this into a political horse race, just really much tighter than it really should have been in this summer, if we're honest with ourselves, Katie.
00:05:41.000 I mean, it's hard to run when the entire country is locked down and there's a virus and everyone's politicizing it and the media is against you.
00:05:48.000 What is your take on how the Democrats have been handling this riots issue?
00:05:51.000 I'm of the opinion it really just started to turn right around Don Lemon talking to Chris Cuomo.
00:05:57.000 It's felt like a kind of a backroom conversation that became public almost on air, where he said, Chris, you know it's showing up in the polling.
00:06:04.000 And it seems from that moment forward, the Democrats started to have a new posture on these riots and protests.
00:06:10.000 What's your take on this and how it has benefited the president?
00:06:14.000 Yeah, so the first thing is I think you're right about Don Lemon and the media giving the instructions to the Biden campaign about how they should be handling these things, which gives you another insight into where they stand.
00:06:27.000 But I remember distinctly Joe Biden giving a speech in August and mentioning this and changing his tune about the violence.
00:06:36.000 And it was really the first time he had given a harsher condemnation of it.
00:06:40.000 Let's not forget that Kamala Harris was tweeting out links earlier in the summer to bail funds for rioters who were arrested in places like Minneapolis.
00:06:51.000 And a number of their campaign staffers who still work for the campaign donated money or were bailed out by that funding.
00:06:59.000 So they were actively engaged in promoting and encouraging this kind of behavior.
00:07:07.000 And now all of a sudden, for political reasons, because all they care about is power, they are trying to change their tune on this.
00:07:14.000 Now, I think that they could have been more strategic about it as well.
00:07:17.000 Joe Biden used to be known as somebody who was tough on crime.
00:07:21.000 After all, he sponsored the 1994 crime bill, which, by the way, the NAACP at the time supported.
00:07:28.000 A number of black community leaders supported at the time because crime in their communities was completely out of control.
00:07:36.000 Kamala Harris, of course, has a long record as a prosecutor.
00:07:39.000 They could have used that to their advantage in dealing with this rioting and this violence crisis in America.
00:07:44.000 But instead, they have decided that they are going to embrace the far left of their party.
00:07:49.000 And this is nothing new.
00:07:50.000 Let's not forget that the Black Lives Matter movement is not a new thing. 0.96
00:07:53.000 This rioting and this Antifa style partnership that they have started five years ago in 2015 under Barack Obama.
00:08:03.000 There were a number of police shootings in Dallas.
00:08:06.000 You remember that?
00:08:06.000 The execution of police officers.
00:08:08.000 Five police officers.
00:08:10.000 Yeah.
00:08:10.000 Yeah.
00:08:10.000 You had the police officer in New York City who was executed in his vehicle when he was eating lunch.
00:08:18.000 And the person who killed him wrote on his Instagram page before he carried out the assassination that he was going to put a pig in a blanket. 0.69
00:08:25.000 Well, Al Sharpton's group had been marching through New York City chanting pigs in a blanket, frying like bacon.
00:08:32.000 And at the time, during the 2016 DNC, the DNC platform completely endorsed Black Lives Matter.
00:08:40.000 So this is fully ingrained in their politics now.
00:08:45.000 It is part of them and it has been for a long time.
00:08:48.000 So they are unable, Joe Biden, as a quote, moderate, is unable to get away from it because this is not something new.
00:08:54.000 This is something they've been embracing for years on end now.
00:08:57.000 They're unable to decouple from it.
00:08:58.000 And the latest betting odds, which I love the betting markets when it comes to presidential races, front page of realclearpolitics.com.
00:09:04.000 I think RealClearPolitics is one of the few websites out there that just tells you, it's just an aggregator and shows you exactly the data.
00:09:09.000 You can make your own decisions.
00:09:10.000 I know you guys cite it quite a lot on Fox.
00:09:13.000 It's basically tied now.
00:09:14.000 It's basically the race is within the margin of error.
00:09:17.000 And I do think that the president now needs to kind of go to the next chess move where Biden is now having some form of a message that probably will work with most people saying that this is Donald Trump's America.
00:09:26.000 It's totally unfair, by the way.
00:09:28.000 Completely and totally unfair.
00:09:29.000 But I think finally the Biden campaign is doing what they should have done a month ago.
00:09:33.000 And in some ways, it's the old kind of tortoise in the hare analogy.
00:09:36.000 It's like Biden was so far ahead, he just kind of took a nap.
00:09:39.000 And he probably literally took a nap.
00:09:42.000 However, it's such a preventable political mistake by them.
00:09:49.000 And I actually don't think that the Trump campaign should be too overly confident because the Biden campaign is adapting to this right now and they're visiting Kenosha.
00:09:56.000 They're doing the right things now, the Biden campaign is.
00:09:59.000 Whereas for the last couple of weeks, they just kind of decided to act as if it doesn't exist, which was a horrible political miscalculation.
00:10:05.000 You're from Arizona, Katie, and you're also one of the top Second Amendment advocates in the country.
00:10:11.000 I've made the argument, I love your take on this, that guns are actually going to be a winning issue for the president.
00:10:15.000 In fact, I think it's one of the swing voting issues where more and more people are buying firearms legally to defend themselves against these thugs that are running the streets that have been released by governors like Gavin Newsom.
00:10:25.000 Can you talk about some of these swing issues that might not be on the top of polling, but actually really motivate people that you think the Republicans or the president should focus on?
00:10:35.000 Yeah, I'll start with the Second Amendment issue, and then I want to get into the economy and a different take on that issue in terms of not even swing voters, but maybe people who are Democrats who really don't appreciate all the lockdowns and the hypocritical behavior from politicians.
00:10:50.000 On the Second Amendment, 2020 is going to be the most successful year on record for gun sales.
00:10:59.000 And just since the beginning of the year with the Wuhan coronavirus combined with all of this civil unrest and rioting, and you add in that Democrats across the country are calling for the defunding of police and actually doing it in some places, there are 5 million new gun owners as of right now, and the year isn't even over.
00:11:22.000 And if you think about, you put that into context of, you know, it's not the same thing as registering new voters, but it is similar because it's an issue that people take very personally to buy your first firearm and for the purpose of self-defense, which the vast majority of the reasons why people are buying their first gun this year is for self-defense to defend their family.
00:11:44.000 It's a very personal, thoughtful, well-thought-out reason.
00:11:48.000 And it is coupled with the idea that Democrats are the ones who are calling for more gun control, making it harder for you to defend your family.
00:11:56.000 And at the same time, taking away your second line of defense, which is the police.
00:12:00.000 So I don't know how, I don't have any data to look at to kind of transfer that to whether people will show up at the voting booth and vote for Trump or for a Republican senator, especially at a time when much of the campaign is focused on. the virus and how that's being handled.
00:12:19.000 But with the unrest, that's shot up to the top of an issue of the issues in terms of people, what they're voting on.
00:12:24.000 So I think you can kind of put it into that category of how people are going to vote.
00:12:30.000 When you see these large crowds of people, you know, walking through the suburbs and screaming at people with megaphones in the middle of the night and their children are there, people start to think about what they would do if the police couldn't come protect them.
00:12:43.000 That's exactly right.
00:12:44.000 So I don't know if it will change voter behavior, but I would say I think it takes a lot more thought to buy your first firearm if you weren't a gun owner before or this wasn't an issue for you before than it does maybe to just register to vote.
00:13:03.000 So we'll see how that plays out.
00:13:05.000 But I don't think it's a good thing for Democrats and for them to have pushed gun control at their convention at a time when there is so much civil unrest, I think is a mistake.
00:13:16.000 And then on the issue of the economy, you know, I've had so many non-political people tell me that they are voting for Republicans because they cannot stand these arbitrary lockdown rules that these elitist politicians don't follow themselves, but expect everyone else to follow while their businesses have been completely run into the ground.
00:13:39.000 This Nancy Pelosi situation this week is a perfect example of that, of her going into a hair salon without a mask and going inside when you're not allowed to get hair services inside of a salon in California.
00:13:51.000 There have been protests led by salon owners in California against Gavin Newsom, against these severe lockdown policies.
00:13:59.000 And these people are not typically Republicans.
00:14:01.000 They're typically liberal artist types who vote for Democrats.
00:14:08.000 But I can imagine that they're rethinking who they're going to vote for when they're leading protests against Democrats who are taking away their livelihoods.
00:14:16.000 And I think the Biden campaign is, it's been very, they've tried to say that this is the Trump economy and it didn't have to be this way.
00:14:24.000 And yet when you asked Joe Biden what he would have done, he said that he would shut the country down again.
00:14:29.000 So on one hand, you can't accuse the president of running the economy into the ground while also saying you would shut down the economy again.
00:14:36.000 These things don't square.
00:14:37.000 Yes.
00:14:38.000 So, you know, I think that's where, I think on the economy, people are voting differently than a typical election just based on the situation that we're in.
00:14:46.000 I think that the economy and opening up America has been a changing issue.
00:14:50.000 And I think that it's much more, it's much less like a snapshot in time.
00:14:54.000 It's much more like a moving film where people felt differently about this issue probably a couple months ago than they do today, where now as their capital reserves are really drying up and bankruptcy is really looming, I think that people's patience for the perpetual lockdown narrative has changed.
00:15:10.000 And this is, I think, again, going back to a really, really silly and I think misguided political calculation by the Democrats where all they had to do is take a nuanced position on this, Katie.
00:15:20.000 And I think they could have really pummeled the Republicans and Donald Trump on this.
00:15:24.000 But instead, they took this position, Joe Biden did, he said, I'll shut down America again if that's what it's going to take.
00:15:29.000 Really?
00:15:30.000 That's an incredibly unpopular position with decent and reasonable people that are going to go vote regardless of the other issues.
00:15:37.000 And I agree with you on the firearms issue.
00:15:40.000 I don't see how anyone can vote for Joe Biden that is a new registered vote, that is a new firearm owner, especially, as you mentioned, 5 million, incredible, which is absolutely unprecedented.
00:15:53.000 I think that the president is going to be very smart in the debates, which I want to ask you about in just a second, to press the issue of Joe Biden, what guns would you take away?
00:16:01.000 And if so, please tell me.
00:16:03.000 I think those kind of cross-examination of Joe Biden exactly how President Trump's going to win these debates, because Joe Biden is not good off the cuff.
00:16:10.000 He gets very angry because I think of his impending mental cognitive decline.
00:16:14.000 I think the president will be at his best as almost a cross-examining prosecutor almost in not someone who's just trying to tell the country how great his presidency is.
00:16:23.000 I actually think putting Joe Biden on trial is the way that President Trump should approach these debates.
00:16:27.000 Can you tell us about the debates?
00:16:28.000 Joe Biden pledged today that he is going to debate.
00:16:30.000 President Trump says that they should take drug tests before, which is definitely a new wrinkle into the debate conversation.
00:16:36.000 What's your take on this entire conversation around debates?
00:16:41.000 Yeah, well, to your point, you know, Joe Biden, let's not forget when he was still out on the trail earlier this year.
00:16:48.000 He was in Detroit at an auto plant, and a Detroit auto worker asked him the question and confronted him about the Second Amendment and saying, you know, you're going to take away my gun rights.
00:17:01.000 And Joe Biden did not have a good reaction to that.
00:17:04.000 He got very angry.
00:17:06.000 And so, you know, he's not this far-left mentality that Joe Biden has tried to fit into doesn't really work in the places where he needs to win.
00:17:15.000 In terms of the debates, I'm not so convinced yet that they're going to debate.
00:17:19.000 I know we're two weeks out, three weeks out, but when Nancy Pelosi comes out and says that Joe Biden should not debate Donald Trump, I don't think that she would have said that if it wasn't being seriously trial balloon, that's exactly right.
00:17:32.000 Yeah.
00:17:33.000 Within the party.
00:17:34.000 And so I think them not having Joe Biden debate would be a political misstep for sure, especially now that he's losing ground in the polling and kind of trying to catch up to the president, like actually doing the same things that he's been doing.
00:17:52.000 But, you know, I wouldn't underestimate Joe Biden.
00:17:55.000 I think there is this, you know, this caution that, you know, he gave his DNC speech and everyone was like, oh, it was so amazing.
00:18:03.000 Well, that's because everyone lowered the bar so much for his ability that, you know, him being able to do the speech well was an easy, easy proposition to conduct.
00:18:14.000 So just giving a basic there will be debates, but I will be watching if there are.
00:18:21.000 Yeah, and so I'm sympathetic with that argument because it's really a perplexing political moment we're living through here, Katie.
00:18:27.000 We'll be talking about this for the next 40 years.
00:18:29.000 Like, remember when Joe Biden and Trump, and we were a question of even debating, and I think this year is going to have a lot of the do you remember sentiments from this year?
00:18:38.000 Because part of it is if Joe Biden does debate, I mean, his handlers can't touch him for like 90 minutes.
00:18:43.000 I mean, he is all on his own, and Donald Trump can do whatever he possibly can to trip him up in a good way, I think, and actually expose his radicalism or his mental impairments.
00:18:54.000 Additionally, I think that if he doesn't debate, this is part of where I think the president needs to kind of have his next chess move.
00:19:00.000 The first chess move was the riots, right?
00:19:02.000 And really hyper-focusing on that and ended up being a master stroke of genius by the Trump campaign.
00:19:07.000 And part of it is luck, I'm not going to lie.
00:19:09.000 I mean, part of it is that the Democrats mishandled this so ridiculously.
00:19:12.000 They just opened up a 10-point window for the Trump campaign.
00:19:15.000 Like, sure, come on back to the race.
00:19:16.000 We've been waiting for you.
00:19:17.000 Like, okay, we'll take this opportunity.
00:19:19.000 But then I think the next move is that Trump has to taunt Biden into how little he travels, how few questions he takes, and how few interviews he does.
00:19:26.000 I think that's a winning issue.
00:19:27.000 What's your thoughts on that?
00:19:29.000 No, I think that's absolutely true.
00:19:30.000 I think the idea that President Trump is always accessible to the press, always doing press conferences, always talking to folks, is always visible while Joe Biden is not visible and then is very carefully handled.
00:19:43.000 I mean, the press conference this week, he had his staffers asking the reporters to state their questions rather than him stating the questions.
00:19:53.000 So I think he's done fewer than five press conferences this entire year.
00:19:58.000 And it's, you know.
00:20:00.000 They would say, well, we've been ahead in the polling, so that's why we don't need to overexpose ourselves.
00:20:05.000 But at a time when people are starting to pay more attention after Labor Day to the race, people are really going to start comparing the two candidates.
00:20:12.000 I think the president should really focus on Biden's record, on the things he has said that are not true on the fracking issue.
00:20:18.000 You know, yesterday Joe Biden tried to claim that he's not going to ban fracking.
00:20:21.000 He said numerous times in the primary that he absolutely would not just ban fracking, but ban all fossil fuels.
00:20:29.000 So getting him on those inconsistencies and that disingenuous nature of Joe Biden being a politician while Donald Trump is not.
00:20:36.000 And then also on the rioting issue, you know, I don't even think it was a political calculation from the Trump campaign or even from the president.
00:20:44.000 I genuinely believe that Donald Trump, he understands what it would feel like if somebody burned down his work.
00:20:53.000 He understands what it's like to lose a business.
00:20:56.000 He understands how hard people work their entire lives to build a business that was just destroyed.
00:21:04.000 And Democrats apparently were okay with that because they refused to condemn it.
00:21:08.000 It's a personal thing that he understands because he's been in it and he knows what it takes.
00:21:15.000 Whereas if you're a politician like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, who have been in political life taxpayer funded basically your entire career, you don't have any empathy, as they would say, for people like that because you've never lived that kind of life.
00:21:31.000 Like you've never owned a business or had employees who you can no longer pay now because you don't have a business or you don't understand that the insurance doesn't cover the entire bill of rebuilding your business.
00:21:43.000 And then your insurance bill actually goes up and makes it more expensive for you to operate.
00:21:47.000 So I think he genuinely understands those things, whereas Joe Biden does not.
00:21:52.000 Kamala Harris does not.
00:21:54.000 Many people on the left do not.
00:21:56.000 And pointing out that detachment from the real world and the rest of America, doing the outsider thing, again, would really help him.
00:22:08.000 Yeah, I think that's a really good point because President Trump, I think, is actually at his best right now running as an outsider, as an incumbent.
00:22:14.000 And the Democrats have really presented this opportunity where it's kind of Trump against the Democrat power structure in the country as him as an incumbent.
00:22:20.000 That's kind of the way this race is unfolding, which is not a good race for the Democrats, by the way.
00:22:25.000 The one thing that bothers them the most is actually having them explain how they control every single urban center in our country and the crime and the arson and the endless amounts of blood being spilled in places that they have a total monopoly of power on.
00:22:40.000 And the president, I think, is smart.
00:22:41.000 And I agree with you completely.
00:22:43.000 It's not just a political calculation.
00:22:44.000 It was a moral calculation because he said, I'm not okay with this happening without commenting on it.
00:22:49.000 This is something that is personal.
00:22:51.000 And I know what it would mean like if your livelihood just gets burned down in front of you.
00:22:55.000 Like you saw yesterday, the guy that had a Photoshop through his whole family for 109 years just got burned down, everything.
00:23:00.000 And what's the recourse for that for BLM Incorporated?
00:23:03.000 And so you had a tweet today, which was terrific, or might have been yesterday, where you said this political poll description is absurd.
00:23:10.000 The reason Black Lives Matter is losing support is due to their behavior, not because Trump is attacking them.
00:23:14.000 The political title is Trump Attack, Trump Attacks Take a Toll on Black Lives Matter support.
00:23:21.000 What they're trying to do here, Katie, is the media is trying to frame it as if Trump is one of the reasons as to why BLM is doing what they're doing.
00:23:29.000 have no choice but to fight back and that it's really Trump that is the agitator.
00:23:32.000 That is kind of the new narrative here.
00:23:33.000 What do you make of that?
00:23:35.000 So I saw this polling today showing that the approval for Black Lives Matter has gone down.
00:23:35.000 Right.
00:23:41.000 And I want to make the distinction between there are, I think all Americans believe that Black lives are important and of course they matter, but they don't give into this, as you just mentioned, Black Lives Matter Incorporated notion.
00:23:55.000 So anyway.
00:23:56.000 Based on the last three months and the social media that we have has exposed what is actually going on at these riots and these protests of the and Black Lives Matter leaders going on Fox News and saying if they don't get what they want, they're going to burn the country down. 0.56
00:24:14.000 That's why Black Lives Matter and their approval rating is going down, not because President Trump is pointing them out or talking about them. 0.95
00:24:23.000 Their own behavior is what is getting them to wear out their welcome with the American people. 0.99
00:24:28.000 However, this goes back to what I was talking about at the beginning of your podcast, is that this has been going on for five years, right? 0.88
00:24:36.000 The Black Lives Matter movement.
00:24:38.000 And I was doing research today based on reading that poll because I just remember when this whole thing started.
00:24:44.000 And I found this op-ed from August 24th, 2015.
00:24:50.000 And it's titled, I was a civil rights activist in the 1960s, but it's hard for me to get behind Black Lives Matter.
00:24:56.000 I support BLM's cause, but not its approach.
00:25:00.000 So, you know, this has been a long time.
00:25:02.000 It's an activist group.
00:25:03.000 You and I know that they talk about breaking down everything about American civil society, that they're trained Marxists running the organization. 0.87
00:25:12.000 I think that the more Black Lives Matter is exposed for what it is, people can see it for what it is and they want nothing to do with it. 0.75
00:25:19.000 And that doesn't mean that you don't want police to act appropriately or that you don't think that, of course, Black Lives Matter, but you're not willing to destroy the country that you live in for the sake of their Marxist agenda goals. 0.74
00:25:31.000 Well, yeah, what's awful about this article at Politico is it frames BLM Incorporated.
00:25:35.000 And we always call it BLM Incorporated because I never want people to be confused in attacking a phrase that is true.
00:25:40.000 But when they phrase BLM Incorporated as if they're the victim, as if they're not the agitators that are the ones burning down America and wanting to destroy the Western prescribed nuclear family, one of the reasons why they have a lower approval rating is they're burning down our country. 0.53
00:25:53.000 And not to mention that Republicans are actually finally speaking out against them.
00:25:56.000 In early June, there was this silence where it was myself and a few others, and I believe you as well, that were unafraid to kind of call BLM Inc. what they were because we've been in this fight for a couple of years and it's nothing new.
00:26:06.000 And we know who they are.
00:26:07.000 We know what they do.
00:26:08.000 We've been dealing with them since Ferguson. 0.94
00:26:09.000 We deal with them in Baltimore, right?
00:26:11.000 I mean, you and I got our political start dealing with groups like this that were actually started under Barack Obama.
00:26:16.000 And then finally, I think in July and August, it was kind of, it started to grow and started, oh, wow, maybe I should go to the website.
00:26:21.000 Hmm.
00:26:22.000 I don't agree in destroying the Western prescribed nuclear family.
00:26:24.000 Probably not a good idea.
00:26:25.000 And so, and I think your analysis is spot on.
00:26:28.000 Last question here, Katie.
00:26:29.000 Can you just give us an idea of what you think the president needs to do to win going into the election?
00:26:34.000 I think that there's still going to be some October surprises from the left going towards Trump.
00:26:37.000 It's my opinion that they probably still have a couple of things they've been waiting for the last 30 days of the campaign.
00:26:41.000 The mail-in voting horrifies me.
00:26:43.000 The Bloomberg group came out recently and said that Donald Trump might win on election day, but he'll lose the war, basically saying they're going to have the mail-in ballot deluge, which really horrifies me as a Trump supporter and an American that they're bragging about how they're going to use mail-in voting to corrupt the electoral process.
00:26:58.000 What do you think the president has to do?
00:26:59.000 What do you think his biggest barriers are to victory?
00:27:02.000 And what can our listeners help do to achieve that goal?
00:27:06.000 Well, I think there's a lot of things at play.
00:27:09.000 I do think that the wind is at his back in terms of a vaccine, in terms of the economy getting better, of people going back and remembering that things were pretty good under him before the virus came and looking at the polling of who they hold responsible for the havoc that the virus has wreaked on America and the world. 0.77
00:27:28.000 They want reparations from China.
00:27:30.000 And even Democrats blame China for this, the problems that it's caused.
00:27:35.000 But in terms of what the president's going to need to do, I think he's doing all the right things.
00:27:39.000 He's visiting Minnesota.
00:27:40.000 They're dumping money onto the airwaves there.
00:27:43.000 As I mentioned, Mike Pence, the vice president, has been in all these battleground states over and over and over again throughout the year.
00:27:50.000 They're on the ground.
00:27:52.000 The Trump campaign has all of these bus tours that they've been doing repeatedly.
00:27:56.000 They're targeting voters.
00:27:58.000 They're not giving into this compromise that gets you nowhere with the mob.
00:28:06.000 I think continuing to hammer Joe Biden on his hypocritical record and his changing of opinion based on what he needs to do politically, including now, by the way.
00:28:15.000 He's not condemning the riots and the violence because he actually cares.
00:28:19.000 He's condemning it because it's showing up and polling, which is very transparent.
00:28:24.000 So, you know, the left will have things that they will throw at the president, but I feel a little confident because they've thrown so much at him that he has survived.
00:28:32.000 It's kind of like, what else could they possibly throw at him?
00:28:35.000 Totally.
00:28:36.000 And I mean, I think the president is, again, on his best when he's playing offense.
00:28:39.000 He's the best offensive player in American political history.
00:28:42.000 He's okay on defense.
00:28:44.000 I actually don't think the president is at his best when he plays defense.
00:28:46.000 I've told him that privately and I've said that publicly.
00:28:48.000 But you, and I'm just going to read from Politico right here where breaking down Biden's speech, the headline is, Do I look like a radical socialist?
00:28:54.000 Biden says that's how you know the president is winning.
00:28:56.000 That's how you know the president is trending in the right direction when Joe Biden endlessly has to respond to Trump's attacks.
00:29:01.000 The more Trump does that, and I think the president, again, he won in 2016 because he had Hillary Clinton on defense the entire time, and she had no ability to be able to get back on her feet.
00:29:10.000 Well, Katie, thank you so much for being here.
00:29:13.000 But one message I would say that the president should take on is: you know, he's tried to frame this campaign as America for socialism and communism.
00:29:22.000 Well, he should remind everybody that the last six months has really been an experiment in socialism.
00:29:27.000 The government has been telling us what to do, where we can and cannot go, when we can and cannot work.
00:29:32.000 We've been writing checks to everybody to compensate them for what the government has done to them.
00:29:38.000 And it's been hell.
00:29:39.000 And so reminding everybody that we've been in this experiment and that we don't want to do this again.
00:29:45.000 And that if you don't want to shut the economy down again, like Joe Biden said, then he needs people to vote for him.
00:29:51.000 I think that the pivot that President Trump needs to do that the Biden campaign is unprepared for is calling him lockdown Biden.
00:29:57.000 I think that the lockdowns have left have lost so much favorability, especially in the Democrats' hypocrisy around them.
00:30:03.000 And I'm going to say this publicly and privately to the president is come out right now with lockdown Biden because they're losing on the riots issue and they're trying to compensate for it.
00:30:10.000 And then all of a sudden expose them on the lockdown issue.
00:30:13.000 These are the kind of this is the president's at his best on this.
00:30:15.000 I mean, there's a lot of things that he does right and this is one of them.
00:30:18.000 So Katie, thank you so much for joining us.
00:30:20.000 You're amazing.
00:30:20.000 Love seeing you on TV.
00:30:21.000 Keep fighting.
00:30:22.000 You're a patriot.
00:30:23.000 Thanks so much.
00:30:25.000 Thank you.
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