The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Tulsi Gabbard Left The Democrat Party

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00:01:20.000 You probably saw the news.

00:01:22.000 You probably saw some clips of Joe Rogan or some announcement videos of Tulsi Gabbard saying she is no longer a Democrat.

00:01:33.000 It's fascinating.

00:01:34.000 And she joins us right now.

00:01:36.000 Tulsi, welcome to the program.

00:01:38.000 I've been admiring you from afar for years on your courageous stances against the Democrat Party and recently more and more so.

00:01:45.000 So you've left the Democrat Party.

00:01:47.000 Tell us about that.

00:01:48.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:01:49.000 It's good to talk to you finally.

00:01:50.000 I feel like we've been around a lot of the same people for quite a while, but this is the first time we're connecting.

00:01:56.000 So thanks for having me on.

00:01:58.000 Yeah, look, there's a number of big issues that drove me to this point increasingly over time, seeing how today's Democrat Party is not the Democrat Party I joined 20 years ago when I ran for state house in Hawaii.

00:02:13.000 You know, at that point, I was 21 years old, really passionate about protecting the environment.

00:02:18.000 I come from a beautiful place and wanted to preserve it and be in a position to make that change.

00:02:23.000 And so as I was looking at, you know, which party I wanted to affiliate with at that time, I was inspired by leaders like Reverend Martin Luther King, President JFK, a Democratic Party that was truly a big tent party that was very inclusive, that stood for kind of those traditional liberalism principles of respect for individuals, kind of a live and let live approach,

00:02:51.000 championing civil liberties and freedom and all of these things.

00:02:55.000 That party is, it just doesn't exist today.

00:02:57.000 Today's Democratic Party is controlled by just so-called woke radical ideologues who are really fanatical in whatever the issue or narrative of the day is that they choose.

00:03:11.000 And, You know, fine, okay, they can push their policies, but what they're actively doing is trying to undermine everyone's freedom of speech, trying to tell us what we're allowed to say, what we're allowed to think, what is information versus disinformation, you know, being actively hostile towards undermining our fundamental freedoms.

00:03:33.000 And, you know, I, for that and many other reasons, could no longer associate myself with the Democrat Party and am independent.

00:03:41.000 Well, it takes a lot of courage to do what you did.

00:03:43.000 I find it fascinating because we on the right have been kind of joking around for years that if there was any kind of organization that's defending some semblance of liberal values, it'd be portions of the right because at least we have disagreement and dialogue and we invite it.

00:04:00.000 And I don't get that at all from the left.

00:04:02.000 So it's refreshing to hear somebody else agree that has kind of been on the left.

00:04:07.000 So when did that change, I guess?

00:04:09.000 You got elected in Congress in 2012.

00:04:12.000 Was 2012?

00:04:14.000 So did Trump have something to do with this?

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:17.000 Was it because the kind of woke elements were always there?

00:04:20.000 I mean, critical legal theory, postmodernism, but it always kind of just stayed on the fringes and the edges.

00:04:26.000 I mean, I grew up in an America where the most vocal defenders of civil liberties were always on the left, always.

00:04:32.000 And I don't know what's happened to that.

00:04:34.000 That's disappeared.

00:04:35.000 Did Trump change things or do you think it's deeper than that?

00:04:39.000 I don't know.

00:04:40.000 You know, I'm not enough of an expert on kind of the political history in the Democratic Party.

00:04:45.000 And frankly, haven't analyzed all the different elements.

00:04:48.000 But obviously, President Trump getting elected was certainly a turning point for the Democrat Party.

00:04:54.000 It was something I experienced myself: how in 2016, just a couple of weeks after Trump got elected, I was asked to go and talk to him about foreign policy, which I did.

00:05:08.000 We had a great conversation for about an hour going in depth into the challenges, specifically in the Middle East and dealing with terrorist jihadi groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda.

00:05:19.000 It was a really good, constructive conversation.

00:05:22.000 For having the audacity to sit down and meet with the next commander in chief, I was excoriated by the Democrat Party accusing me of legitimizing him or legitimizing the fact that he had won that election.

00:05:38.000 And there were a number of things that happened since then, I think, looking at how throughout his term, leaders in the Democrat Party, instead of looking for ways to actually solve problems, looking for ways to find, hey, common ground there, trade, for example, was an issue I applauded Trump on for canceling the destructive Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal and others, you know, infrastructure.

00:06:04.000 There were opportunities to be able to find common ground and work together.

00:06:08.000 But unfortunately, the leadership of the Democrat Party just couldn't focus on anything else other than President Trump.

00:06:17.000 And the essence of my question isn't even about Trump the person or the political thing.

00:06:20.000 I'm just looking at a moment in time where the liberal kind of coalition just disappeared.

00:06:26.000 I'm wondering just kind of what caused that because I find it fascinating.

00:06:30.000 Because now when I go to college campuses, and it's always been around, it's speech is dangerous to people, and which is hilarious because they say that physical violence is not necessarily dangerous, but that's a whole separate issue.

00:06:43.000 But speech could actually harm somebody.

00:06:45.000 And so kind of walk us through, you know, the last couple of years.

00:06:49.000 Have you changed at all?

00:06:50.000 Or, I mean, have you gone through any metamorphosis?

00:06:53.000 Or is it just the conditions of the party and the country have changed?

00:06:57.000 I think both.

00:06:59.000 It's hard to disconnect the two.

00:07:02.000 There's no question that I have been very disheartened and discouraged by the direction that the Biden administration has taken since that 2020 election, going against everything that he promised he would do as president and trying to bring the country together and find ways that we could work together.

00:07:22.000 But instead, he and his administration and their allies in Congress have done the exact opposite.

00:07:29.000 And they're trying to tear us apart.

00:07:31.000 They're finding ways both directly and indirectly to undermine our fundamental freedoms, working with big tech to do so, deciding whose voices get to be heard and whose don't.

00:07:43.000 And using the rule of law to do so.

00:07:47.000 I think that that is one of the most dangerous things.

00:07:50.000 It's one thing to say, okay, we can disagree on policy, but for them to be in power across the board in the House, Senate, and the White House, they are actively using our institutions like the Department of Justice, the FBI, Department of Homeland Security, go down the list to force their positions on the American people with the threat of if you don't comply, then you will be targeted.

00:08:16.000 I think the recent example of what they're trying to do with backdooring, changing the definition of monumental legislation in Title IX, rather than going to Congress and putting their position before the American people and telling Congress to take action on it, they're backdooring this rule change, saying, no, it's no longer going to be about the definition of sex, that there are biological differences between male and female, the male and female sex.

00:08:41.000 Instead, they're saying they want to include gender identity.

00:08:43.000 So anyone can be whatever they want to be and telling schools if you don't comply with this rule change, not something that was done by Congress, but a rule change, then we're going to take federal funding away from kids who are hungry, kids who apply for and are eligible for free and reduced lunches in our schools.

00:09:01.000 So it's one of many examples of a lot of different things that have pushed me to the edge.

00:09:07.000 Probably the biggest one is the issue of war.

00:09:12.000 I know this is something you've been outspoken on, but for the Biden administration, again, to make all of these promises through his campaign to end these destructive counterproductive wars, he's pushed us rapidly into the most dangerous of all in this proxy war against Russia, using Ukraine and the Ukrainian people as their proxies. 0.79

00:09:34.000 It's one of the dumbest to the point where it's dumb, but we are at a closer risk of nuclear war and nuclear catastrophe now than we ever have been. 0.90

00:09:43.000 And they're not talking about it. 1.00

00:09:45.000 You know, they've got their bunkers.

00:09:47.000 They've got a safe place to go.

00:09:48.000 Meanwhile, you've got this crazy PSA in New York City telling people: if we have a nuclear attack, get inside, stay inside, and stay tuned.

00:09:58.000 That's it.

00:09:59.000 It's insulting and it's dangerous to the American people what this administration is doing.

00:10:05.000 And the fact that President Biden seems to acknowledge it, his comment about nuclear Armageddon, but he's not doing anything to end the war and bring about peace.

00:10:15.000 Of all the topics that are out there, the one that has been the most fascinating to see the left just become basically George W. Bush and Dick Cheney light has been the issue of war.

00:10:29.000 I mean, there is no daylight between the modern Democrat Party and kind of the neoconservative consensus in Washington, D.C. I'm just fascinated how that happened.

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00:12:06.000 So, Tulsi, you know, I grew up in the kind of early 2000s.

00:12:10.000 My earlier memories were 9-11, the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, and all the repeated foreign policy blunders of kind of the attempted Bush empire of invading sovereign countries and displacing leaders and then leaving them worse off than we found them and spending trillions of dollars and lots of American lives lost.

00:12:29.000 As I got older, I got more and more vocal kind of against what are we doing here?

00:12:34.000 What is the purpose?

00:12:35.000 And not being, you know, necessarily reflexively a dove. 1.00

00:12:38.000 I think we should find terrorists and kill them if it makes sense, but nation building in far off distant lands is just so foolish and wrong and stupid and silly. 1.00

00:12:45.000 You were always a leading voice on that. 1.00

00:12:47.000 And kind of Ron Paul, you know, in the 2008, 2009 was a big voice on it.

00:12:51.000 But kind of explain to me why is it that there was not a single Democrat senator that decided to challenge the vote, the idea of sending money to Ukraine.

00:13:05.000 How is that possible?

00:13:07.000 The Democrat Party is firmly within the grips of the military-industrial complex.

00:13:13.000 You're right.

00:13:14.000 There is no daylight or difference between the Democrat Party and the Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, neolib, neocon mindset and ambition.

00:13:26.000 And this is something that is such a stark difference from what maybe not the entire Democrat Party, but at least there were voices in the Democrat Party traditionally who have been voices for peace, who have been voices of reason saying, hey, we shouldn't be just writing blank checks out to the military industrial complex.

00:13:45.000 We shouldn't be going and launching regime change wars around the world and trying to be the policeman of the world.

00:13:50.000 That's changed.

00:13:51.000 Like you said, both in the House and the Senate on that first big vote to send $40 billion to Ukraine.

00:13:59.000 There wasn't a single Democrat that voted against it.

00:14:02.000 Bernie Sanders didn't vote against it.

00:14:03.000 AOC didn't vote against it.

00:14:05.000 None of these people who claim to be so-called progressives had anything to say.

00:14:10.000 And they silently voted against it and went along with those who were stoking the fires of this proxy war against Russia, nuclear armed power.

00:14:19.000 Of course, we know Rand Paul was excoriated when he had the audacity just to question, hey, let's appoint a special inspector general just to make sure we know where this money's going.

00:14:30.000 Because guys, we just got out of Afghanistan.

00:14:33.000 Things didn't go so well over there as far as accountability for our taxpayer dollars, nor did they go so well when you're looking at what did we do there over the last 20 years?

00:14:43.000 What was actually accomplished when you look at the lives that were lost and the taxpayer dollars that were spent, especially when you compare that to the very real needs that people have right here in our country right now.

00:14:57.000 Yeah, I so at least some people in the Republican Party were challenging it, which gave me some optimism.

00:15:04.000 There were 66 people.

00:15:05.000 There were 66 people, and I was very pleasantly surprised by that.

00:15:08.000 And like you, it gave me some hope that there are still people in Congress who have courage to speak up against this insanity.

00:15:16.000 So I want you to explain for our listeners a little bit more about this kind of neoliberal, neoconservative regime that has existed for a couple decades, where there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and George Bush on invade the world, invite the world.

00:15:31.000 And there have been kind of dissident voices on the left.

00:15:34.000 Dennis Kucinich comes to mind, you know, who I thought was always really honest, a little quirky, but I kind of liked him.

00:15:41.000 And, you know, kind of these anti-war Democrats.

00:15:44.000 And now they're completely gone.

00:15:46.000 I mean, so let's give one example, Bernie Sanders.

00:15:49.000 I know you previously endorsed him when America was a lot different, but you endorsed him. 0.79

00:15:53.000 And he's okay now with arming Ukrainian Nazis. 0.68

00:15:58.000 Where's good old Bernie?

00:16:00.000 Yeah, the irony is when I endorsed Bernie, it was against Hillary Clinton in that primary.

00:16:05.000 And the reason that I endorsed him was because of the stark difference on foreign policy.

00:16:11.000 Obviously, Hillary Clinton being the queen of war mongers, the central war hawk in Washington, and Bernie Sanders at least having more of a non-interventionist approach. 0.90

00:16:23.000 It really disappointed me and made me sad to see that not even Bernie Sanders stood up against that.

00:16:30.000 All of these people failing to recognize the cost and consequence of their decisions, failing to ask the most simple questions.

00:16:37.000 Totally.

00:16:38.000 How is this best serving the safety, security, and freedom of the American people?

00:16:41.000 Or what does success look like?

00:16:43.000 Why do we trust these people?

00:16:45.000 Is Zelensky really a good person?

00:16:47.000 Is our CIA involved on the ground?

00:16:49.000 What if an American gets killed by an errant bullet or missile?

00:16:51.000 What does that, what do we do then?

00:16:53.000 Like, what if a government?

00:16:54.000 This is exactly the problem, Charlie.

00:16:56.000 They've created this culture of fear that anyone, don't, I'm not even saying oppose.

00:17:03.000 Anybody who asks a question, anyone who dares to challenge, like, hey, maybe this isn't the smartest approach.

00:17:09.000 Maybe this isn't going to end well.

00:17:11.000 They're immediately labeled as traitors. 0.98

00:17:14.000 You're a Russian asset.

00:17:15.000 You're a Putin propagandist.

00:17:17.000 All of these things that allow them to not debate the substance and instead undermine the credibility of anyone who asks a question. 0.54

00:17:24.000 That is eerily similar to how they talk about the issue of race. 0.99

00:17:28.000 You're a racist. 0.99

00:17:29.000 That's all true. 1.00

00:17:29.000 You can't talk. 1.00

00:17:30.000 It's exactly the same thing.

00:17:31.000 But it does require people to challenge kind of that neoliberal, neoconservative consensus.

00:17:38.000 And I think the American people are actually with us.

00:17:41.000 And that's what's so interesting is that the regime in D.C., they're really worried about proxy wars, but polls are now showing, and the latest poll shows that a majority of Americans think we've spent too much aid to Ukraine.

00:17:53.000 They're wondering, you know, what exactly are we doing here?

00:17:56.000 And so Tulsi, talk about how we end the war in Afghanistan rather clumsily.

00:18:01.000 It needed to be ended, but not that way. 0.60

00:18:03.000 It was a disgrace to the country.

00:18:03.000 It was awful.

00:18:05.000 And then we just kind of reassign all of our focus to now not fighting, you know, the Taliban, but now fighting a nuclear armed power with 140 million people.

00:18:17.000 You mentioned the military-industrial complex.

00:18:20.000 Explain to us what that is and how real that is in Washington, D.C.

00:18:24.000 Well, first of all, I think it's important, as you mentioned, to recognize our military has a very clear function, purpose, and mission.

00:18:32.000 I still serve in the United States Army Reserves and I'm proud to wear the uniform and stand ready to defend and secure the American people and our country.

00:18:41.000 When there is a threat to our nation, this is why our military exists.

00:18:46.000 Our military does not exist to serve the military-industrial complex, which is essentially all of these big, massive defense contractors who make billions of dollars off of sending our men and women to go off and fight in wars that have nothing to do with defending the security and freedom of the United States.

00:19:05.000 We are often labeled as isolationists or pacifists, which is nothing further from the truth.

00:19:12.000 What I say is, yes, we should build relationships with other countries.

00:19:16.000 For war hawks in Washington to say the only way we can relate to other countries is by going to war with them is offensive to who we are as a country.

00:19:25.000 We should not be going and trying to be the policemen of the world.

00:19:28.000 And I think this is one of the worst things about what they do is they play on the kind and compassionate hearts of the American people, saying, well, if you want to go and help these people who are suffering in another country in the world, we've got to go to war to protect them.

00:19:46.000 But what they're failing to tell the American people is the more we escalate this war, proxy war against Russia and Ukraine, for example, we are putting not only the Ukrainian people at risk as we get closer to the precipice of nuclear catastrophe.

00:20:04.000 We're putting the American people and people of the world at risk.

00:20:06.000 If we want to help the people of Ukraine, our president should be exercising his leadership to negotiate a peaceful end to this conflict.

00:20:15.000 But this is something that we see around the world.

00:20:17.000 We see them trying to gain more power or more profit and saying, well, we're going to go overthrow a dictator in this country.

00:20:24.000 We're going to overthrow this terrible leader in that country.

00:20:26.000 And they do it in the name of humanitarianism.

00:20:29.000 But what do they leave behind?

00:20:31.000 Death, destruction, and suffering.

00:20:34.000 And mass displacement.

00:20:36.000 And so what do you think our posture towards what's happening in Ukraine should be?

00:20:39.000 I mean, maybe asking for having some elections in eastern Ukraine?

00:20:44.000 I mean, trying to have peace?

00:20:45.000 I mean, what a concept, right?

00:20:46.000 How does sending more missiles get us closer to peace?

00:20:50.000 It doesn't.

00:20:51.000 It is escalating this war as it has from the beginning.

00:20:55.000 You know, of course, Putin should not have invaded Ukraine.

00:20:58.000 There were attempts at negotiations.

00:21:00.000 Both Ukrainian and Russian officials were sitting down and having negotiations, I think, within a month after this war started.

00:21:07.000 And instead of encouraging that, instead of strongly supporting those negotiations so that war could end as quickly as possible, the United States put their muscle in and told Zelensky, don't negotiate.

00:21:20.000 Don't have a seat at that table.

00:21:22.000 And where there have been pivotal opportunities for a negotiated peaceful end to this war to occur, President Biden and his administration have discouraged any attempts at making that a reality.

00:21:35.000 That is what needs to happen.

00:21:37.000 Both sides are going to have to give some things up, as happens in any kind of negotiation.

00:21:42.000 Neither side is going to walk away happy.

00:21:44.000 Both will walk away feeling like they lost something.

00:21:47.000 But that is what must happen in order to stop the suffering and destruction that's occurring for the people of Ukraine right now, as well as to walk us back from the brink of nuclear disaster.

00:21:58.000 So since you've made your announcement of leaving the Democrat Party and talking about this, have you received, I'm just curious, notes, messages, texts from other Democrats that are thinking similarly, especially kind of on this issue of war and freedom of speech and dialogue?

00:22:14.000 You know, I have actually received a few, not many, but I have received a few of my former colleagues.

00:22:20.000 All right.

00:22:21.000 But I've received a lot of feedback from people across the country, both in person where I've been and others just saying, you are saying what we are thinking and feeling.

00:22:31.000 You know, we've been too afraid to stand up and speak for ourselves.

00:22:34.000 Now with the coming election, people really have an opportunity to let their voices be heard through their votes.

00:22:40.000 And it's why I'm in Illinois right now.

00:22:43.000 I'm campaigning for a great candidate here.

00:22:45.000 I was with Don Boldick in New Hampshire.

00:22:47.000 I'm going out and trying to help get great people like to Congress so we can bring about some real change and hold this administration accountable.

00:22:55.000 So I also find that fascinating.

00:22:58.000 The people you're endorsing.

00:22:59.000 So you endorse Carrie Lake.

00:23:01.000 You know, obviously foreign policy is a major focus of yours.

00:23:05.000 I pray Carrie Lake doesn't have a foreign policy portfolio anytime soon. 1.00

00:23:08.000 If she does, then we're in serious trouble.

00:23:10.000 Well, you know, what was interesting, what was interesting, just mentioned that because it's something that caught my attention about her even before I talked to her was back in 2008, because she was so disgusted with George W. Bush continuing to put us in a state of war.

00:23:26.000 She was opposed to the Iraq war.

00:23:28.000 She voted for Barack Obama in the hopes that he would end it.

00:23:31.000 And I think that says a lot about her character.

00:23:33.000 A lot of people, I mean, remembering the context of Obama in 08, I mean, he was running up against the grand marshal of the warmongers, McCain, right?

00:23:41.000 And he was a lot of the energy and the enthusiasm from the younger generation that showed up in huge numbers was an anti-war referendum.

00:23:49.000 Was why are we doing these sort of war games abroad?

00:23:52.000 And so you came to Arizona for Kerry Lake.

00:23:54.000 Tell us about that.

00:23:56.000 That was great.

00:23:57.000 We had a great conversation on the phone prior to my going out there.

00:24:01.000 And I respect her courage.

00:24:03.000 I respect that she has a strong backbone and that she has stood up not only to the Democrats and the Democrat establishment in Arizona, but she stood up to the Republican establishment in Arizona as well.

00:24:17.000 You know, I have said what I've said about the Democrat Party.

00:24:21.000 There are issues with the Republican Party leadership as well.

00:24:24.000 And I think people like Carrie, I think people like Carrie, it's important for the American people in this moment to hear from leaders who are willing to call it straight and who are going to put the interests of the people first, not the interests of the party.

00:24:24.000 There's a lot of people who are not.

00:24:39.000 I've always hated this saying, Charlie, I've heard over and over by Democrats say, vote blue no matter who.

00:24:44.000 Vote blue no matter who.

00:24:46.000 Nobody should be voting straight party line.

00:24:49.000 Look for those strong leaders who are going to, who are actually committed to putting the Constitution first and fighting for the people.

00:24:56.000 And Carrie's made clear through her platform what her priorities are.

00:25:01.000 So I want to play a piece of tape here.

00:25:02.000 I know you commented on this on Jesse Waters' program of AOC getting heckled at her town hall.

00:25:08.000 And I see the energy against AOC and it gives me a little bit of a glimmer of hope in the sense that this is what I've always been expecting of kind of Democrats holding Democrats accountable, at least on some issues.

00:25:21.000 I don't know that our whole civilization is at stake around, like, I don't know, not having nuclear Armageddon.

00:25:26.000 And the kind of Democrat grassroots, I'll be very honest, the Democrat Party's become so boring.

00:25:32.000 And years ago, it was interesting in the sense that you have this remarkably, unspeakably corrupt and evil woman, Hillary Clinton, running against kind of a guy that never grew up from the Bolshevik Revolution, right?

00:25:46.000 Bernie Sanders. 0.62

00:25:46.000 You might love him or hate him. 0.62

00:25:47.000 It's just he was just kind of really interesting, right?

00:25:49.000 He promised everybody something, and there was energy and there was grassroots and there was a lot of small dollar donations.

00:25:55.000 The Democrat Party's become so sterile and synthetic and plastic and boring and manufactured and corporate.

00:26:02.000 And the one person that I always thought at least was somewhat interesting was AOC.

00:26:07.000 And she's become synthetic and sterile and boring.

00:26:09.000 So I want to play this piece of tape 93.

00:26:11.000 I want to get your reaction.

00:26:12.000 Congresswoman, none of this matters unless there's a nuclear war, which you voted to send arms and weapons to Ukraine.

00:26:20.000 There will be no neighbors if there's a nuclear bomb.

00:26:24.000 You voted to mobilize and send money to Ukrainian Nazis. 1.00

00:26:28.000 You're a coward. 1.00

00:26:29.000 You're a progressive socialist. 1.00

00:26:31.000 Where are you against the war mobilization?

00:26:34.000 I believed in you and you became the very thing you sought to fight against.

00:26:40.000 Sounds like a clip out of Star Wars.

00:26:42.000 Your thoughts, Tulsi.

00:26:43.000 Yeah, I mean, I've seen that clip a few times and it gives me goosebumps every time.

00:26:48.000 Uh, just hearing the anguish, uh, the pain, and um, you know, the disappointment in their voices in someone who maybe they once believed in, uh, but now who has become part of this war machine in Washington.

00:27:06.000 Um, this is exactly the problem and why it's essential that we need strong leaders now, not those who are going to cave in the interest of advancing their own personal political ambition.

00:27:17.000 It's why most people in this country are not affiliating with either party and instead looking at, okay, what is most important to me and my loved ones, whether it's closing the borders to stop this flood of those crossing into our country illegally, or it's the fact that Democrats are saying, hey, we need to defund the police.

00:27:37.000 We need to let criminals out of jail, making our streets less safe.

00:27:42.000 Education, I mean, there are so many, so many of these issues that are not some kind of like theoretical esoteric issue that are really impacting people every single day.

00:27:52.000 And I think we hear that in the anguish in those guys' voices when they're looking at the prospect of literally nuclear holocaust.

00:28:02.000 As they said, there will be no neighbors.

00:28:03.000 There will be no tomorrow.

00:28:05.000 And her refusal, Charlie, her refusal to address that and her response is, you're being rude.

00:28:12.000 Are you freaking kidding me? 0.72

00:28:14.000 You're being rude. 0.82

00:28:15.000 Now is not the time to sit there and say, okay, well, politely talk to me about how we're facing the end of the world because of a vote that I took.

00:28:23.000 You know, it's also the AOC that said that tweeted out that protesting is all about making people uncomfortable.

00:28:29.000 I don't know, AOC, when New York was burning during Floyd Palooza, was that rude, AOC?

00:28:35.000 I don't know.

00:28:35.000 I'm disagreeing with you about saying, I don't know, hey, New York is just running PSAs about nuclear war.

00:28:42.000 You look at these PSAs for our audience that hasn't seen it.

00:28:45.000 They said, hey, the big one has hit.

00:28:48.000 And, you know, go take a shower or something.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, it's really not going to matter.

00:28:53.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 And she's got the actor.

00:28:55.000 I'm assuming it's an actor they hired.

00:28:57.000 She's got a big smile on her face.

00:28:59.000 As you said, the big one has hit.

00:29:01.000 You might be wondering, what should I do?

00:29:04.000 It's, it's like, I, every time I see it, I just, I can't believe that anyone who is serious actually produced that thinking it was a good idea.

00:29:12.000 Yeah, they're not serious.

00:29:13.000 It's a war machine, no different than a lot of other corporate interests.

00:29:16.000 And that's just, I want Democrats at least to be a little bit consistent.

00:29:20.000 And you obviously are doing a phenomenal job of leading because I hear all the time from Democrats, Charlie, Wall Street's the worst thing ever.

00:29:28.000 You know, all these companies, they're making us, you know, fatter and sicker and poor.

00:29:31.000 Like, okay, whatever.

00:29:32.000 But how about the ones that are selling the missiles?

00:29:34.000 How about Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, and Lockheed Martin?

00:29:36.000 I mean, do you think they might have a vested interest?

00:29:38.000 I don't know, to blow up the entire Western order?

00:29:40.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:29:41.000 We got to stand with Zelensky, right?

00:29:43.000 Okay.

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00:30:39.000 Telesi, before we go any further, tell us about your new podcast.

00:30:42.000 Yeah, I started the Tulsi Gabbard show really out of a frustration with the mainstream media.

00:30:48.000 You know, I'm grateful when people ask me to come on their shows.

00:30:51.000 I get four and a half minutes to talk about really, really big and important issues and always found myself like looking at my five pages of notes and trying to distill that down to like three sentences or three points to get across.

00:31:04.000 As you know very well, having these platforms allow us the opportunity to really get into different issues.

00:31:11.000 Uh, for me to be able to share, you know, my perspective, my background on it on, or my view on a particular thing, and then have some, have some conversations with interesting people who I may agree with or I may not agree with, but really furthering um, what we're talking about is we should have a strong marketplace of ideas in this country.

00:31:29.000 We should be having good, uh constructive dialogue uh, because it's how we grow, it's how we learn, it's how we move forward as a people and as a community.

00:31:38.000 So um, we put out a new episode every tuesday.

00:31:42.000 Uh, this one I just put out onto this last tuesday is exactly about the topic we're discussing uh, the issue of nuclear war, Russia and Ukraine.

00:31:50.000 And uh, my guest on that episode is professor Jeffrey Sacks.

00:31:54.000 Uh, he is one of those traditional, uh liberalist, uh democrats.

00:31:59.000 Uh, I think he is, uh considers himself a true progressive, not a so-called fake progressive, and he has been very outspoken, given his history of actually serving as an economic advisor for Boris Yeltsin and Gorbachev as you know, they were making this transition from the Soviet Union into Russia and how, even back then, he was shut down by the White House, saying that they didn't want uh, they didn't want there to be any relationship with Russia other than an adversarial one essentially.

00:32:28.000 But uh, it's a really interesting conversation and he's got a lot of background on it and encourage people to go and subscribe and take a listen and i'd love to hear your thoughts.

00:32:37.000 Tulsi Gabbard show, check it out.

00:32:39.000 And so there's House leader, House minority leader, Kevin Mccarthy just signaled a little bit that there might be some challenge to Ukrainian aid, which I find to be promising, and then immediately there's this story, it's just so on the Financial Times Ukrainia, Ukrainian officials shocked as Republicans threaten tougher line on aid. 0.86

00:32:59.000 Where do these foreigners get off thinking that they get our money? 0.71

00:33:04.000 I mean exactly, they're shocked like, go figure out your own business. 1.00

00:33:09.000 Right, that they are.

00:33:10.000 It is, it has been striking throughout this entire thing, the demands yeah, the demands, demands that they are placing on us, listing, well, we need a hundred tanks, we need this, we need that.

00:33:21.000 You must, you must deliver, or else what?

00:33:24.000 And I I go back to the Biden administration and leaders in Congress who have kowtowed uh, to these demands coming from another country uh, essentially ceding our sovereignty and our taxpayer dollars and our future to this other country.

00:33:39.000 When president Biden is asked, you know, how does this end?

00:33:42.000 What is our objective?

00:33:44.000 At what point do we say, okay well, we've done enough, this is it.

00:33:48.000 His answer is one form or another of saying, well, that's up to Putin.

00:33:53.000 Putin gets to Dictate this thing goes and how long we are involved, which is just, it makes me angry.

00:34:02.000 It should make every American angry.

00:34:04.000 And their backlash, you know, one of the things I've seen a lot of backlash to Kevin McCarthy's hinting at starting to rein in the money that they've been sending to Ukraine.

00:34:14.000 The backlash that I got from Democrats and talking heads when I left the Democratic Party last week is, oh, good.

00:34:21.000 Now she can go be with those anti-war nationalist Republicans.

00:34:26.000 Oh, obviously she's left because she doesn't support continuing this war, different versions of that.

00:34:32.000 It's just, it's crazy that we've gotten to this point where there's this rush to war, this fervor for war that leaves room for nothing else other than those who just walk in lockstep.

00:34:45.000 So we're going to have to have you back on.

00:34:48.000 I have a working theory that a lot of the wokeism is one of the reasons it keeps the Democrat activists at bay because they say, oh, no, don't worry.

00:34:55.000 Like we're doing all the trans stuff in the military, so you don't have to get really upset about things.

00:34:59.000 It's kind of this alliance that happened post-2008. 0.89

00:35:02.000 They took over Wall Street with it.

00:35:03.000 They've taken over sports with it.

00:35:05.000 But I'm telling you, there is a mass consensus that will eventually show itself that will materialize against this nation building abroad while our own country crumbles.

00:35:14.000 It's going to be messy.

00:35:16.000 It might be murky.

00:35:17.000 It might take years.

00:35:19.000 We have to find the right leaders, but it is popular.

00:35:22.000 People do not want to see an invasion of America on the southern border and be like, oh, actually, we got to go send another $100 billion to Ukraine.

00:35:28.000 It's insane and it's immoral and it's wrong.

00:35:29.000 Tulsi, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:35:31.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:35:32.000 Great job.

00:35:33.000 Thank you.

00:35:33.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 20, 2022

Why Tulsi Gabbard Left The Democrat Party

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