On this episode of The CharlieKirk Show, host, Candice Miller is joined by her husband, former Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's campaign manager, Blake Moreland, and campaign strategist, Dan Lauletta, to discuss the latest results from Tuesday's primary election.
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00:01:12.000The configuration of that, it will likely tighten.
00:01:15.000How much it will tighten, we will see based on election day votes.
00:01:21.000There are a ton of red counties that have yet to perform.
00:01:24.000But understand as you guys look at this map, It doesn't, what is not, can you guys please go back to the entire statewide, thank you.
00:01:32.000What is not shown on this map is yes, red county, red county, red county, is what Donald Trump did is he brought in voters that have never voted and he made red counties redder.
00:01:45.000Meaning the turnout was so high, the Richter scale was that he made rural counties basically the power of a suburb.
00:01:53.000Where rurals used to just kind of be an afterthought, he combined like 50 rural counties together, where it basically became its own waukesha.
00:02:03.000And if you are not able to mirror that, or have that continue in special elections, it's very, very hard to win.
00:02:11.000Now, look, it's a serious deficit right now.
00:02:15.000Looks as if it's about, what, 100 and About 115,000.
00:02:22.000Yeah, I was just trying to do some of the math here.
00:02:23.000Yeah, Blake brought up a couple of things that are really important for us to keep our eye on.
00:02:26.000So, Waukesha County right now just dipped down below 60. Bradsham has got to be at 60-61% minimum to have a fighting chance statewide, or at least to offset Milwaukee.
00:03:10.000I'm going, I'm going to be The very blunt direct communicator.
00:03:16.000This is not a great map for us right now, and it is demonstrating of a high prop electorate as we have built a low prop party, a 19 point deficit, and a now 137,000 vote deficit with 33% reporting.
00:03:35.000It might end up getting much closer and much tighter, but we are not seeing the juice and the squeeze of high, high turnout from some of these areas that we will need.
00:03:44.000I'm not saying that is 100% correct that we're going to lose.
00:06:15.000I'm going to have to just come in because again, I don't want to waste people's valuable time, even though it might not be good for ratings.
00:06:21.000I give us an enormously low probability that this is going to be overcome.
00:06:30.000And the reason being is I'm just one state by state is that the low prop voters did not show up in the numbers that we needed.
00:06:38.000These are the working class men that showed up for Trump and then they just disappear.
00:06:43.000These are your carpenters and your welders and they work in the cheese factories and they build Winnebago's and they are the backbone of the country and we call them phantom voters.
00:06:54.000Donald Trump was able to basically get these people to appear.
00:06:58.000Donald Trump was able to get them to appear and they've never been on anybody's data roll.
00:07:11.000Now, hate to break it to you guys, Decision Desk, which has not been right or wrong about much of anything, has just said the Wisconsin Supreme Court race is over, defeating conservative Brad Schimel.
00:07:22.000So, hate to break it to you guys, but that is now Decision Desk.
00:07:25.000We'll keep an eye on here with with how the rest of This report comes out and it's it's again.
00:07:33.000We're still hanging in there Waukesha is now at 77% Still hanging at 58% which is not enough You got to be Waukesha's got to be at 60 to 63% Again because of the size the magnitude of the county asked it's big enough Where if you win by that much which Waukesha used to win For conservatives by that much.
00:07:57.000That is, again, the home of Scott Walker.
00:08:22.000Some of these wards just don't they have thousands of people who don't show up for these votes Yeah, so we're gonna in last November.
00:08:30.000We had 3.4 million people vote This is going to be an enormously high turnout off election considering.
00:08:35.000It's not a midterm not a general in the fall This is a spring election We're going to break 2 million votes on this it looks like it'll be 2.3 to 2.4 but that is a million missing voters where you'll be able to say if we'd had There will be 500,000 Trump voters from last November who did not show up, and it's going to be close enough that if we'd had plausibly half those people arrive, we might have won this.
00:09:06.000But not enough of those, and you lose by a few points.
00:09:13.000We won it in November, but we won it by 0.9%.
00:09:16.000There was not a lot of room for it to move left at all.
00:09:23.000And then if you have the enthusiasm gap, if you have Democrats spending more because they really want to win because they're really fired up.
00:09:30.000And they're also just, as we say, the higher prop party right now.
00:09:34.000They get more meaning out of politics.
00:09:36.000They invest more of themselves into politics.
00:09:39.000They're more likely to track every single race, however obscure it is.
00:10:04.000We need to work on the strategy of getting those people to consistently vote in Midterm elections and in these off-cycle elections that well Because if the Democrats are the high-prop party, they'll have the advantage in every election that is not a November election.
00:10:26.000The solution that we had in Arizona was you have to put full-time bodies on the low-prop voters.
00:10:33.000You have to have those people out for months and months and months and months.
00:10:37.000And you have to have enough people to be able to chase enough votes to win.
00:10:42.000You know, the forecast right now is saying it's probably going to be in the ballpark of about 1.15, 1.16 million votes that are going to be cast.
00:10:54.000Again, these are just project projections, but 1.6 million votes, sorry, 1.16 million votes for Susan Crawford.
00:11:07.000And this is much higher than people expected.
00:11:10.000This race is probably going to end up being over, well over 2 million votes cast.
00:11:15.000Um, you know, our estimation was we needed 2.2 million votes cast.
00:11:19.000We might come out slightly underneath that.
00:11:21.000And that's part of what's not going to help Brad Schimel is we didn't get enough, uh, election day turnout, but that is, that is where you look at this and you go, okay, well, how do you get that many people out to vote?
00:11:33.000You've got to put that many bodies on that, on those people.
00:11:39.000Funds effectively one full-time person to chase somewhere in the ballpark about three to four hundred votes If you want to win and again, there's not unfortunately not enough exuberance for Supreme Court races from the right for donors to to Fund that many full-time bodies But yeah,
00:12:00.000the difference here is probably going to be 150,000 votes Which give or take is another 500 full-time people you have all have on the ground The left has those people already, and we know this because they have the unions.
00:12:12.000They give union workers time off, they already have the C4 set up, they pay them.
00:12:18.000So you have to build it, you have to fund it, and you have to keep it permanent.
00:12:22.000Well, and Tyler, just to piggyback on what you're saying there, what people have to understand is that States in that northern tier from Michigan over, particularly working with the labor unions over there, traditionally speaking, they have this massive Democrat infrastructure,
00:12:40.000Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, that's existed for basically a generation at this point, where they literally have people who, as you say, are paid full-time, 24-7, 365 days a year to do Democrat politics, to work Democrat politics.
00:12:58.000So a Donald Trump type candidate comes up, and yeah, that'll get working class people to cross the line, to get more active, to come down out of work, to take time out of their busy lives, because they're working class, they're working, to go and cast a vote for Donald Trump.
00:13:13.000But any other Republican, like I was just saying, is going to have to work ten times harder.
00:13:17.000You have to thread three needles to be able to get those same type of workers to come out.
00:13:23.000Democrats on the other side, as you're saying Tyler, don't have this problem.
00:13:27.000Democrats have, look, and you think of the Democrat worker, right?
00:13:30.000It's so much easier for them to do that type of work, fill in an absentee ballot, fill in an early ballot, mail-in ballot, because a lot of them are more of the white collar workers, a lot of them are more of the You know, working in an office or in many cases working from home these days, you're working at universities, you're basically paid to be a Democrat, you know, paid to be a liberal 24-7 and to make more liberals like over there in Madison.
00:13:55.000So there's there's a lot of inherent issues with having the low prop turnout when you don't have Trump on the ballot.
00:14:04.000And these are issues, by the way, the Democrats have been working with for a long, long time.
00:14:07.000And this is where their control of the institutions statewide in places like Wisconsin really Well, the institutions like unions, the teachers union, for example, you know, you have Did we lose Charlie for a second here?
00:14:54.000You get your normal salary, you get your time off and then you get Uh, the C4, the, the nonprofit money that they'll, they'll throw at you to go do this work and chase votes.
00:15:04.000And our side, again, this is where we're screaming from the rooftops is if you want to, to break that threshold, if you want to break through, you're not going to have Trump on the ballot each time that makes it easier to do that.
00:15:17.000Right. And we, that's where we got so lucky this last election.
00:15:20.000We, we were lucky because it was easy to get people to go give money to help support Trump and then to help go chase votes for Trump.
00:15:28.000It's a much tougher uphill climb, uphill battle with a relatively unknown candidate.
00:15:36.000He was, he's, he is an incredible dude.
00:15:39.000Uh, legit, easy to work for all that stuff, but people just don't know him.
00:15:43.000Right. And so they're not going to just abandon their livelihoods to go do something for six months or a year or three months or two weeks.
00:15:51.000Uh, so we had a, we have an incredible team that's been on the ground and in, in Wisconsin.
00:15:58.000You know, give or take about 200 people who are working at or nearly full time and then thousands of people who were going in.
00:16:06.000You need about, for this race to close the gap on what's there, that's in addition to what's been done.
00:16:12.000You need another 500 full time people to be on the ground.
00:16:56.000Which is good, but this Waukesha number isn't where it needs to be.
00:16:59.000That has to be at like 62-63% and holding, which is where he was, and it's really interesting because some of these other votes that came in were not super favorable to Brad Schimmel, so we'll keep looking at this and keep an eye on it.
00:18:55.000Let me just kind of repeat this, though, for everyone watching at home, is that these off-year elections are going to continue to be a challenge for our party and our movement.
00:19:05.000Absent a change of strategy and a change of approach from the top down and also the bottom up.
00:19:11.000Look, we can't blame working class people for not showing up.
00:19:14.000We have to do a better job of exciting them, of finding them, and from bringing them out to vote in a full grassroots mobilization and getting the mindset right.
00:19:27.000And let's also just appreciate President Donald Trump's ability to get these voters out.
00:19:32.000Something that people thought was impossible.
00:19:34.000The two people of this century that have been able to get low-propensity voters out is Barack Obama and Donald Trump.
00:19:41.000And interestingly, they were both able to get out similar types of low-propensity voters.
00:20:55.000But yet he can also sit down with like the New York Times and speak their language, go to Munich and tell off the globalists.
00:21:02.000So I do think that he makes the articulate case for new rights, Trumpism, nationalist populism, in a way that I think wouldn't necessarily turn off those high prop voters like you're talking about that Trump typically tends to do.
00:21:19.000But at the same time, you're getting you're getting portions of the high prop base.
00:21:25.000He just doesn't have the same name ID.
00:21:27.000He doesn't have the same street cred that Donald Trump does.
00:21:30.000And who could, for the record, by the way, who could have the same level of street cred as Donald Trump with blue collar workers?
00:21:37.000So, you know, of course, we've all seen the the, you know, the articles this week about, you know, what if what if Vance runs and Trump is on the ticket with him?
00:21:45.000I don't think that's a good idea, by the way, because that would, you know, if Vance resigns, that would preclude himself from running and actually being president in the future.
00:21:52.000And it's it's it's really going to be something where, again, he's going to have to be threading needles.
00:21:59.000You know, maybe you'd look for a balancing act of having someone who has that, you know, either either blue collar appeal or also the.
00:22:08.000um someone who's able to pick up people from the middle people people and and really by the way tap into the maha movement you know i think the maha movement and and let me just you know you know step back and even bigger for a second i didn't see the maha movement getting engaged in the wisconsin election because i didn't see anyone ask the maha movement to get engaged in the 2025 wisconsin election i didn't see anyone Reach out and explain to Maha why they should be involved in a Supreme Court race in Wisconsin.
00:22:35.000I didn't see anyone asking for their votes.
00:22:37.000I didn't see anyone campaigning for their votes.
00:22:39.000And I'm a big believer In people don't come out and vote for you because you say you should.
00:22:44.000I think people come out and vote for you because you ask specific coalitions to come out for your vote.
00:22:49.000This is something that FDR understood.
00:22:51.000This is something that coalitions building on the Democrat side has understood for almost a hundred years now.
00:22:57.000And I haven't seen any Republican really work this, uh, work this out up until Donald Trump put it together in starting in 2016, but then on forward in understanding that you have to go to each group specifically We're good to
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00:24:43.000Yeah, I mean, look, in order for us to compete against the Democrats, Tyler, I want you to just brag on the great work that Turning Point Action did here.
00:24:51.000Again, we're about results, not just activity.
00:24:54.000So it doesn't, you know, there's no consolation prize here.
00:24:58.000But talk about what the Democrats had on the ground in permanent infrastructure to win this Wisconsin Supreme Court seat.
00:25:06.000Again, we just went through this, but...
00:25:08.000You know, the Democrats have a permanent infrastructure, particularly behind the blue wall, where you have this historic union based epicenter.
00:25:15.000And you've got unions, you've got union members.
00:25:22.000You know, on the left, the union bosses.
00:25:23.000I mean, most of the unions are actually pretty split.
00:25:26.000They're about half and half in a post Trump world here in a Trump era world where there's a lot of blue collar folks that are Republican.
00:25:34.000But the leadership, and that's why I'm referencing the leadership, are all Democrats.
00:25:40.000And they have the structure, the infrastructure that's already built.
00:25:42.000And the infrastructure that's already there pays people, basically salaries and family members'salaries, to go out and do this work that we have to build from the ground up.
00:25:53.000And again, bragging on the Turning Point Action staff, we have incredible people who have made up significant ground.
00:26:01.000We saw that in the 2024 election for President Trump, where we chased tens of thousands of ballots that put them over the top.
00:26:26.000And so the number that you need to make up what's projected now to be, you know, a hundred, a little over a hundred thousand vote loss, we'll see how many total votes get counted.
00:26:35.000I mean, it looks like we're trending towards that 2.2 million that I mentioned that would put Brad Schimel in the, in the ballpark of, of having the ability to win, but you've got to chase 150,000 votes to win, you know, to have some safe padding, you know, you've got to have 500 more full-time people on the ground.
00:26:54.000The way that the left pays them, Charlie, is they pay them basically full teacher salaries because you can't just hire, you know, people who will just come and go.
00:27:44.000many big organizations doing that, making up that ground, or you have to have, like I said, 40, 50 of those organizations like the left has.
00:28:09.000You're not going to be able to do places where we've never operated before that we have to win.
00:28:14.000And we've got to build these things in the Sun Belt and other places where we have to defend the Trump legacy, the populist legacy, whatever you want to call it, in order to win elections for the next 5, 10, 20 years.
00:28:30.000The Republicans need to learn how to win when Trump is not on the ballot.
00:28:34.000And otherwise, we're going to have a more structural issue.
00:28:38.000This isn't by no means a black pill, everybody.
00:28:45.000We prove that we can win in presidential-style elections.
00:28:48.000And by the way, just for those of you keeping score at home, it used to be that we were always so concerned that we could never win the presidential, but we could only win the special.
00:28:58.000So we've actually solved the far more complex high-stakes riddle.
00:29:04.000It's Democrats that are now trying to figure out the riddle of how they win a presidential election.
00:30:25.000So especially as we've been saying, this is, it's a reflection that we have to be ready for races where Donald Trump Isn't on the ballot.
00:30:36.000I know we've you know, he's been talking about finding a way good to go for a third term But I will tell you even if they find a way it won't be with Trump as the number one guy on the ballot because that is definitely Constitutionally out of the picture so you're going to have to have someone we have to start We have to develop the strategy for winning a post Trump GOP on a Trumpian message we hope on the Trumpian platform,
00:31:01.000but there's clearly a singular charisma to Donald Trump that drives turnout, that really inspires people, and we haven't seen it pan out that without that you can muster a nationwide majority.
00:31:18.000We can still win races, we can still do very well at the state level, but that tipping point of getting the national majority that can save the country, you right now need Trump.
00:31:28.000And there's some systemic issues there that we have made that bargain of the GOP has become more populist, it's become more economically middle and even lower class, instead of having as many high-income voters.
00:31:44.000And what that means is you've swapped out a lot of the people who care the most about politics, and that's not To say that that's a good thing.
00:31:54.000It's often a bad thing that a person cares obsessively about politics.
00:31:58.000We have people who care a lot about their church.
00:32:01.000They care a lot about their civic organizations.
00:32:45.000And they got millions of dollars for it because some people just really get into that.
00:32:51.000For now, the Democrats have a systemic advantage with people who care a ton and who are obsessive, and this will possibly get more intense because things are happening in politics that will fire them up.
00:33:06.000They're extremely fired up about Musk.
00:33:37.000Yeah. Wiped out in the House, loses a ton of Senate seats, loses a ton more Senate seats in 2014.
00:34:00.000Obama is this hugely popular person who gets a ton of low-prop voters to come out for him, and yet the rubber-band effect of American politics, the natural backlash his success created, essentially created the modern Republican Party at the state level.
00:34:14.000It massively increased our power at the state level.
00:34:18.000And I think we're seeing some manifestation of that with Trump.
00:34:22.000They came out, we were very happy, they came out very aggressive, like a cannonball.
00:34:59.000They are obsessively reading all the articles shared on Facebook, on Instagram, on Daily Kos, on wherever they get their articles these days.
00:35:09.000They're going to be turning out to the max, and that is going to lead to defeats.
00:35:14.000And we have to do our best to enhance organizing capacity to limit those defeats, to turn some of those defeats into victories, and to make the most out of this.
00:35:26.000This is a loss, but I see some people, you know, commenting on our chats that, like, this is the end of the project.
00:36:20.000I love baseball because it's a game of adjustments and you constantly have these series going on and you get punched in the face and then the team can come back out just in the example that Charlie gave.
00:36:32.000Correct a lot of things with the new picture and fix some things with better heading and everything else.
00:36:39.000We have this situation now where we're looking at this and we're going, we can see very clearly what the differential is.
00:36:45.000We can see very clearly what you have to do.
00:36:48.000We know how many people don't show up to vote.
00:36:51.000The question is, again, what Charlie was saying, how are you going to figure out how to get those people out to vote when Trump's not on the ballot making it easy?
00:37:00.000Uh, because people like him, they know him, they want to show up for him.
00:37:06.000Well, it's, we know some of these things, and we'll talk about them, but we know what it takes to get some of these people out.
00:37:12.000Anyways. Uh, and yeah, just in terms of badness, I want to emphasize, this is not even our worst defeat at the Wisconsin Supreme Court, because the one we had two years ago, that is what actually flipped it from a conservative Supreme Court to a liberal one.
00:37:30.000There's cases unfolding right now that are unlikely to go our way that we were hoping would go our way if we'd won this race.
00:37:36.000This will have a real impact the reason we always compare it to the house.
00:37:39.000This wasn't a house race, but Democrats have really Learned that oh we can use redistricting.
00:37:47.000We can create new district maps They've developed this new weapon where what they'll do is in states with the blue Supreme Court They will sue and say actually the Constitution requires us to have a map that Democrats will always win all the house seats And the Supreme Court will be like you're right and And then they'll just remake their house maps to have more Democrat seats.
00:38:06.000And that's why we don't have a bigger majority now.
00:38:09.000We lost seats in, I believe, Louisiana.
00:38:59.000Significantly, it's passing with huge numbers.
00:39:02.000So it's huge numbers right now, which is really crazy if you think about it, because it's like, how does a person not understand like what they're electing for Supreme Court that supports voter ID that the left wants to completely undo?
00:39:18.000But I mean, look, this is part of the education process, right?
00:39:21.000Which is that message has to be clear.
00:39:24.000You have to put more bodies on the ground to help make that message clear.
00:39:28.000The way I best describe it is like Mary Kay sales.
00:39:32.000Everybody knows the Mary Kay saleswoman in their neighborhood.
00:39:41.000They buy something from her because they don't want to eliminate the relationship, right?
00:39:44.000She'd go to church with her, everything else.
00:39:46.000And they know if I need something, I'm going to go to her and, you know, she's going to knock on my door and, you know, I'm going to know her face to face.
00:39:55.000You have to have that Mary Kay saleswoman type approach that, you know, bring cookies to your doorstep type of approach in the neighborly way to be able to show people what to do and what's going on and that they can rely on you for that.
00:40:14.000We've started the process of building that.
00:40:16.000We did that really effectively in Arizona.
00:40:17.000We had that, the elements of that on the ground in Wisconsin, but you've got to invest into that Deeply for that to be to take hold and take root and to impact way down the line races like the Supreme Court race.
00:40:33.000And, you know, there are there are positives right now.
00:40:36.000I mean, we're trending towards entire counties flipping red from the last Supreme Court race.
00:40:42.000We're likely going to see a decent amount of this.
00:40:49.000They spend all their time, energy and resources in Dane County, for example.
00:40:53.000Which, you can't lose Dane County by more than 21-22%, which means you've got to get those Republicans out who have given up in those places.
00:41:03.000You've got to win by more in Waukesha.
00:43:06.000It was very narrow, but very similar type results, but it was, it's positive.
00:43:10.000And Brad might end up winning that, you know, when it's all said and done, cause it's within just a few hundred votes, but you gotta win these.
00:43:18.000You gotta win these by a lot, a lot more than where you're at right now.
00:43:22.000Brown County is kind of an interesting story because it looks like Schimel might, Completely flip the odds because last election, Dan Kelly lost that by a few thousand votes.
00:43:33.000It looks like Brad Schimel, like Brown County is going.
00:43:37.000Let's draw on that because Andrew's asking, how does this compare to 2023?
00:43:41.000That might be the better comparison than just last November.
00:43:43.000Yeah, that's what we're talking about.
00:43:43.000So yeah, in 2023, first of all, we lost by 11 points.
00:45:41.000They made up Some of these other places that are probably going to go light pink.
00:45:45.000I mean, Dan Kelly lost the entire southwestern part of Wisconsin last time.
00:45:52.000It doesn't look like Schimel's going to lose the entire southwestern part of the state.
00:45:56.000I'll be honest, we might because the ones that are red are early turnout and a lot of the counties have trended blue a little bit over the course of tonight.
00:46:35.000You've got a very similar, I think, vote turnout there.
00:46:39.000Yeah. It's a little bit better in St. Croix County, but that's a place that you need to do better that Trump was, was doing pretty good in.
00:46:48.000Um, yeah, I mean, story, the name of the story is like, we've got to get more of our, our low prop voters out in each of these places, particularly again, Waukesha County is a 90% now.
00:48:35.000All the turnout is up across the board, but their turnout is up a lot too.
00:48:40.000And that's why we're going to lose this one.
00:48:44.000But I say turnout is up, but again, in perspective, turnout is way down from what it was in either 2020 or in 2024.
00:48:53.000So in all of these non-presidential contests, It's a turnout contest in terms of who loses less of the people that they got to vote in the last big election.
00:49:04.000And it looks like they're going to lose a lesser total because they are fired up, because they are less attached to a particular candidate as opposed to just sort of being amped up in general.
00:49:28.000I will say though, it's just, yes, I think that is right.
00:49:32.000It's just temperamentally the Democrats have remade themselves where they have a easier baseline of people that think politics and meaning are directly correlated together.
00:49:43.000Our best voters, the ones that put Donald Trump back in the White House, they kind of hate government and they hate politics and they take massive convincing and nudging To vote at all and to get into the system, which is fine.
00:50:06.000Our side is more thorough and just trying to figure out like, well, is this person really trustworthy?
00:50:11.000And Trump was able to overcome all of that with just this power of personality.
00:50:16.000And Remember, David Shore said that even with more turnout, Trump would have won 54% of that vote.
00:50:24.000And so even more turnout would have elected Trump by more, which it's just remarkable.
00:50:31.000So we have to figure out the turnout issue and the Democrats are building this coalition, which is a very difficult presidential coalition to keep alive.
00:50:47.000However, in off-year elections, we're going to be in some choppy waters.
00:51:06.000They don't really have much understanding for the working class.
00:51:09.000When I say this, I'm talking about the professional Republican consultant class types, the people who are supposed to be doing this 24-7.
00:51:19.000They seem to think that you can get by with just saying, like, this person is like Trump, so vote.
00:51:26.000Without bringing up any type of Uh, direct connection with that person without creating any actual excitement behind that person and you know, or, or, or again, going to those individual members of coalitions to get them to work.
00:51:43.000And I, I'm just going to fundamentally keep going back to this point.
00:51:46.000The professional Republican class does not actually understand the Trump coalition, how the Trump coalition works.
00:51:55.000They don't understand the different components of it.
00:51:57.000They don't understand the working class part of it.
00:51:59.000I mean, do you think when I go around Washington, D.C. and I've been all over D.C., I've been to Congress, I've gone around the different department buildings at the State Department today for the First Lady's event there, but you see these professional Republican types.
00:52:12.000I'm not talking about the Trump admin, but I'm talking about the others.
00:52:16.000They couldn't explain what tariffs mean for the middle class.
00:52:19.000They couldn't explain what tariffs mean for the working class.
00:52:21.000They don't actually understand how any of this stuff works or puts together.
00:52:25.000So when it comes to messaging, they just fall back on these things that they think are safe, like, oh, Trump, good, so vote for Trump-like guy.
00:53:05.000But as we, and rightfully so, oppose all those things, what we're also not doing for a long time, and when you only have perhaps What, 15 seconds is like the average length of a TikTok video.
00:53:20.000But it's like you have just a tiny little amount of time to get that across.
00:53:26.000You've got To be able to convey a positive vision of the future to a potential voter or else they're just going to tune out and say, well, this guy's just angry about stuff.
00:53:36.000This person over here, and I'm talking about your like normie average voter, this person over here, like again, if your name isn't Donald Trump and you haven't been through, you know, the 12 labors of Hercules and the, the hero's journey that Trump was on in front of the entire planet, you know, surviving, you know, assassin's bullet from a miracle by the hand of God himself, then guess what?
00:53:59.000You have to actually go back to regular politics because regular political rules apply to you because again, your name is not Donald Trump.
00:54:07.000And that's something that I think a lot of Republicans need to understand.
00:54:11.000Let's let's begin to kind of wrap it here.
00:54:13.000So any what is the the final count here?
00:54:18.000It's probably gonna land around that right Tyler.
00:54:20.000Yeah, it's gonna be about 10 11 points.
00:54:23.000It looks like You know someone could gain a little bit of ground with what is remaining But you know, I'm not so sure Dane County again still story is that he's at 80 20, which is not good enough Waukesha County is at 42 58 58.42 I should say.
00:54:48.000We're hoping for, you know, a five point margin or above there.
00:54:52.000So you look like you're going to end up 10, you know, a 10 point deficit, which is really unfortunate because again, you're looking at some of these places still and going, wow, we're really close, but flipping some counties, but.
00:55:06.000Like Blake said, the outcome was, if you started this race and you said, I mean, many of the pundits that were there on the ground said, all we've got to do is we've got to turn out an extra two, three, 400,000 votes, which we're probably going to do.
00:55:24.000The goal of how many votes you want to turn out happened here.
00:55:29.000The problem is the left also turned out more people.
00:55:33.000And unfortunately, they did it and they fund those things and did it.
00:55:38.000So I think when we look at this, it looks like it's saying about two thirds of the votes have been counted.
00:55:52.000The expectations were at that high of level.
00:55:54.000It was going to benefit Brad Schimel more, but we're going to have to look and dive more deeply into some of these counties and say, OK, well, what happened?
00:56:02.000Yeah, how how did we not win with a higher turnout on election day?
00:56:07.000Well, I mean it could be high turnout, but you lose the swing voters.
00:56:10.000That's always a possibility, too So there there's the turnout race of your base, but there's also there are voters who swing this way swing that way and They could have swung back away for any number of reasons.
00:56:23.000I mean so Yeah a couple things first of all, I would hesitate to say that That this is a referendum on Elon or Trump or Doge.
00:56:37.000This is almost an identical Supreme Court spring election result from spring of 2023, before Elon was even on the scene and before Trump was the nominee, let alone the President of the United States.
00:56:48.000So you got to prepare for the media narrative.
00:57:20.000I mean, just the idea that high-propensity voters are going to come back that read the New York Times and listen to NPR are going to come back to the middle, even though, hey, my name is Alexandria Kaiser-Cortez.
00:57:31.000I'm going to take your home and your 401k, but I won't call you a racist.
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00:59:48.000What we did is we got a window into the current state of our politics and things that we need to fix and sometimes that our movement needs to stop being so high on our own supply and getting back down to the fundamental basics That we can build a majoritarian mandate for governance for generations to come.
01:00:07.000Jack, we'll go around the horn to start with you.
01:00:09.000Yeah, so once again, just like in geopolitics, here in, you know, regular domestic politics, we learned that history is not ended.
01:00:25.000Donald Trump and the MAGA coalition are not the final end of all politics.
01:00:31.000Turns out that public opinion and it turns out that doing the work actually still are required to win elections, especially as I just keep saying this, if your name is not Donald Trump.
01:00:42.000You've got to work within the confines of the coalition.
01:00:45.000You've got to work with MAHA, as well as the other members of the MAGA coalition.
01:01:07.000But again, this sort of belief that, oh, you can just sort of wave your hand and the GOP consultants will say, oh, this person is like Trump and you can go vote for them, doesn't work.
01:01:17.000You still have to actually do the work day in, day out.
01:01:20.000You need to put funding behind people who are doing this 24/7.
01:01:25.000The turning points, the turning point actions, the Scott Presslers, the Cliff Maloney's of the world, all of this stuff needs to be on the ground if you want elections to win.
01:01:35.000You do still have to eat your vitamins.
01:01:37.000You know, it's like everybody wants to, everybody, what's the old bodybuilding phrase?
01:01:41.000Like everybody wants big muscles, but nobody wants to lift heavy things.
01:01:46.000Everybody wants to win the elections, but nobody wants to do the heavy lifting.
01:01:49.000Blake. I just wanted to flag, so we have had Valsiko has been making many paid donations.
01:01:57.000I can't read all of them because some of them are swear words, but he says, you know, that the problem is we're not arresting enough people.
01:02:04.000I would say if you're dissatisfied with the number of arrests President Trump has been making in his second term, you might be unpleasable because he's certainly on border-related stuff that's ramped up.
01:02:17.000I don't think that issue is being ignored.
01:02:21.000I understand people are very frustrated with this outcome.
01:02:25.000As we said, politics is a frustrating endeavor.
01:02:49.000Charlie's always good on this, where he says, we have to keep fighting not because we're always going to win, not because it's necessarily that fun.
01:02:57.000We have to keep fighting because it's the right thing to do.
01:04:08.000Yeah, I was just going to say, we have no choice but to fight harder for permanent infrastructure.
01:04:14.000If there's anything that we look at this, that the analogy that I go with, Charlie, is you can't build a tent out of paper and expect it to survive a hailstorm.
01:04:29.000You've got, the right has built nothing permanent in most states.
01:04:35.000And I'm just going to say it again, Almost nothing permanent in most states.
01:04:39.000And we're seeing some massive years of hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars that have gone to Florida and Ohio that are just starting to turn because of the massive amount of investment that was put in all throughout the Obama years and prior to the Bush years and the decades that went into that.
01:04:57.000But you've got to invest significantly into these states, put the ground forces, the infrastructure, And figure out how to build the community organizer model that Charlie, you know, and I talk about all the time and our team talks about all the time to have their relationships in order to win in each of these neighborhoods.
01:06:37.000Now, if we lost those in Florida, we'd be having a much different conversation tonight.
01:06:41.000When you think about how to take more ground and it is a perplexing problem.
01:06:45.000It is a riddle and I would love to have you guys email us freedom at charliekirk.com how to get how to defeat a side that believes politics is their religion in an off year cycle.
01:07:00.000That is a that is a difficult riddle to solve.
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