The Charlie Kirk Show - Why You Can’t Buy a House + A Conversation with Chinese Cultural Revolution Survivor Xi Van Fleet

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:02.000 Equity.

00:00:04.000 Equity, equity, equity.

00:00:06.000 It's a term that people have been saying for quite some time.

00:00:10.000 We've done very little about it.

00:00:12.000 And now it's going to impact whether or not you want to buy a home.

00:00:15.000 The people with bad credit are going to get rewarded and good credit will be crushed.

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00:00:36.000 Here we go.

00:00:37.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:38.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:41.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:44.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:47.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:48.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:49.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:51.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:58.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:06.000 That's why we are here.

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00:01:18.000 We're going to lead today with a story that should have been headline news.

00:01:21.000 It should have robust discussion that almost everybody ignored.

00:01:25.000 Admittedly, a friend of mine sent it to me yesterday.

00:01:28.000 I couldn't believe what I was reading.

00:01:31.000 The American dream involves owning a home.

00:01:33.000 You know, people ask me, they say, Charlie, how do we get young people to be conservative?

00:01:38.000 I say, do three things, get married, have kids, own property.

00:01:41.000 Owning property, not renting property, makes you more likely to conserve that property.

00:01:45.000 You're more aware of property taxes.

00:01:47.000 You're more invested in economic conditions.

00:01:50.000 When you rent, you're not as invested in community dynamics, in property taxes.

00:01:55.000 You are the recipient of those eventually, but you're also not building long-term value or equity in your home.

00:02:02.000 The entire tax code is written actually in a way to try to get, obviously, interest is deductible on your tax return.

00:02:10.000 The entire tax code is written as a way to try to incentivize home ownership.

00:02:14.000 And largely, that's been a good thing with some obvious hiccups for other reasons outside of the mortgage interest deduction in 2008 and 2009 with the entire collapse of the housing market, largely because of Fannie and Freddie and subsidizing people to go get loans that should not be getting loans.

00:02:32.000 You see, the lesson that we did not learn post-2008 is that Washington, D.C. flooded the market with cheap money.

00:02:40.000 And we had the Federal Housing Act that was incentivized, the Community Reinvestment Act that was incentivizing, giving out loans for two, three, four multiple homes.

00:02:52.000 And you had somebody that was cleaning homes that was able to own two or three homes.

00:02:57.000 It was unsustainable.

00:02:58.000 It fell apart and almost brought down the entire economy with it.

00:03:01.000 No money down, in fact, in some of these communities.

00:03:05.000 We should have a set of policies where people that save money and engage in one of the core principles of Western civilization get rewarded.

00:03:16.000 What makes the West the best?

00:03:18.000 College kids never wrestle with this question because they don't believe the West is best.

00:03:23.000 College kids never, they're taught that the West is colonialistic and misogynistic. 0.97

00:03:27.000 The West is evil.

00:03:29.000 There's a lot of things that make the West the best, but you could summarize one of the differentiators of the West versus Middle Eastern countries or even some Asian countries, delayed gratification.

00:03:41.000 I am going to sacrifice today so somebody else can succeed beyond me.

00:03:46.000 You can call it meritocracy as well.

00:03:48.000 This idea of delayed gratification is I'm not necessarily going to go max out my credit cards.

00:03:53.000 I'm not going to borrow money I do not have.

00:03:56.000 The greatest generation were historically some of the greatest in financial management, having good credit, and participating in delayed gratification, planning for the future.

00:04:08.000 Now, of course, our entire regime in Washington, D.C., does not believe anymore in delayed gratification.

00:04:14.000 They believe in cheap money and instant gratification.

00:04:16.000 They couldn't care less about the debts and the deficits.

00:04:18.000 This is both parties, by the way, that they are handing down to the next generation, trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars of new debt, nearly tripling the federal debt since 2010, tripling in 13 years.

00:04:31.000 Spending money we do not have to a generation that cannot yet vote. 0.51

00:04:35.000 So we've seen this pattern emerge where delayed gratification is no longer admirable.

00:04:40.000 Where those of you in this audience that say, you know what, we're not going to go on a vacation that we can't afford.

00:04:45.000 You know, we're not going to go out to eat at the local steakhouse.

00:04:48.000 We're not going to max out our credit cards.

00:04:50.000 We're actually going to pay off our credit cards.

00:04:52.000 We're going to try to build good credit.

00:04:54.000 This was always something that was considered to be common sense.

00:04:58.000 That we wanted to try to incentivize, that we want to try to reward.

00:05:02.000 That if you're going to spend money you do not have, you're going to get a lower credit score.

00:05:06.000 You're going to get a lower FICO score.

00:05:08.000 And you might not be able to buy the home of your dreams.

00:05:11.000 You might not be able to participate in home ownership.

00:05:14.000 So therefore, there was a check in a balance and an incentive to try to act responsibly when it comes to borrowing money.

00:05:22.000 Well, under the guise of equity, again, another piece of evidence to our hypothesis that is being proven true every single day, which is what happens on college campuses to not stay on college campuses, the guzzle of cheap money is only continuing.

00:05:38.000 As you know, mortgage rates have gone up significantly in the past year by a lot, thanks to the Federal Reserve needing to aggressively hike interest rates to contain inflation.

00:05:46.000 Higher interest rates obviously mean that if you're looking to buy a home and you're a young married couple and you take out a 30-year, $300,000 mortgage at a 3.5% interest rate, in this particular case, your monthly payment would be about $1,350 and the total cost of your mortgage over 30 years after all interest is paid would be $484,000.

00:06:05.000 Now, imagine that instead of 3.5%, the interest rate is 6.5%, which is about where it is right now.

00:06:10.000 Your monthly payment would actually be $1,900 a month.

00:06:14.000 And the final cost of your mortgage will be $682,000, nearly $200,000 more over 30 years.

00:06:22.000 So you might say, well, Charlie, this is all common sense.

00:06:24.000 Well, how does this impact me?

00:06:26.000 How does this impact us?

00:06:28.000 I don't understand.

00:06:29.000 Well, there's a new rule that's going to be instituted on May 1st around something called an LLPA, a loan-level price adjustment.

00:06:38.000 Under the guise of equity, pushing towards equity, Fannie and Freddie, which should have been disassembled after the 2008 financial collapse, the federal-backed mortgages are now going to make a new rule.

00:06:50.000 Congress didn't vote on this.

00:06:52.000 There wasn't a hearing on this.

00:06:53.000 This did not go through a reconciliation process.

00:06:56.000 This did not go through amendments or adjustments or House of Representatives or senators.

00:07:00.000 No, no, no.

00:07:01.000 These are unelected bureaucrats making a unilateral decision to punish you if you have good credit.

00:07:06.000 This right here is an all-out penalty, a walloping, if you have decided to engage in delayed gratification.

00:07:14.000 And those of you maybe in this audience that have made bad decisions, gone on vacations you can't afford, max out your credit cards to go to four seasons, going to steakhouses, and you have bad credit because you made bad decisions.

00:07:24.000 Well, here's where the new regime comes in.

00:07:28.000 Now, LLPAs are price adjustments to a loan reflecting how risky it is.

00:07:31.000 If you have good credit, traditionally you pay less, obviously.

00:07:35.000 You've proven you can do it.

00:07:37.000 If you have bad credit, well, then you're going to pay more because you got to prove to the bank, you got to prove to the lender that you're a good bet.

00:07:44.000 But no, no, no, no, because of equity, the whole game has changed.

00:07:49.000 This new rule says that if you have bad credit, you pay less.

00:07:54.000 And if you have good credit, you pay more.

00:07:56.000 You heard me right.

00:07:58.000 We are changing the game.

00:08:00.000 The moral fabric of the country is already basically gone.

00:08:03.000 But now this is just another reflection of the moral fabric being gone.

00:08:07.000 No longer are we a country where we want to say, good job, dutiful citizen, for saving money, not going out to eat every night, for going to the grocery store, for using coupons, for investing.

00:08:20.000 No, now we are going to punish you.

00:08:23.000 If you've made good financial decisions.

00:08:25.000 According to the Washington Times, which reported on this, quote, mortgage industry specialists say homeowners, home buyers, home buyers, homebuyers, with credit scores more than $680 will pay more than $40 a month, $480 a year.

00:08:42.000 Homebuyers who make down payments of 15 to 20% will now be socked with the largest fees.

00:08:50.000 According to Fannie May, these new fees reflect, quote, our effort to increase support for borrowers historically underserved by the housing finance market.

00:09:02.000 You mean people with bad credit?

00:09:03.000 You mean people that don't know financial management?

00:09:06.000 No, no, no.

00:09:07.000 This was one of the few good things that we had in our financial system.

00:09:11.000 If you do not know how to manage your finances, you're not a good bet.

00:09:15.000 You shouldn't be able to get into the housing market easier than someone that paid their bills, worked two jobs, and refused to go into debt, that didn't just pay the interest on a credit card.

00:09:24.000 In other words, this is all about equity.

00:09:26.000 The housing market, they say, is racist.

00:09:29.000 Now, they didn't outwardly say this, but this is the buried lead here.

00:09:32.000 Because people with good credit can get loans more easily with bad credit.

00:09:36.000 This has nothing to do with race.

00:09:37.000 If you're bad with finances, it should be harder than you.

00:09:40.000 You know how many people, how many of you in this audience, I bet, have worked your tail off for years to make sure you have good credit, sacrificing extra jobs, foregoing vacations.

00:09:49.000 You know what the government is telling you?

00:09:50.000 You know what the Biden regime is telling you? 1.00

00:09:52.000 You're a sucker. 1.00

00:09:53.000 You should have went on that extra vacation. 1.00

00:09:55.000 You should have maxed out your credit cards.

00:09:56.000 It doesn't matter.

00:09:57.000 Not only are we going to exempt you, not only are they saying that, well, we're going to make bad credit and good credit the same, it's even worse than that.

00:10:05.000 They're saying that if you have good credit, if you've done the right thing, if you have been prudent, if you have been responsible, you pay more.

00:10:12.000 And if you have been irresponsible and reckless and going out with the boys to Vegas on a trip you cannot afford, you get rewarded.

00:10:21.000 That's your government.

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00:11:02.000 One of our listeners emailed us, Charlie, we're on the fence whether or not to buy a home.

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00:11:15.000 It's not even part of our roster today.

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00:11:22.000 So this is this website.

00:11:23.000 I'm on the fence whether or not we should hurry up and buy something.

00:11:25.000 I have an 800 credit score.

00:11:27.000 And that means I guess I have a huge down payment for the next house.

00:11:30.000 That is the money I made for selling my house last fall.

00:11:33.000 Are you trying to tell me this new rule makes it harder for me to buy a home than if I had a credit score of 400?

00:11:39.000 Yes, that is what I'm telling you.

00:11:40.000 That the new rules, those of you that have good credit, you are now going to be punished by your government.

00:11:46.000 You're going to pay more and you're going to have to suffer more because you made the right decision.

00:11:52.000 Now, before those of you that say, well, Charlie, don't poor people have worse credit, that's not necessarily true at all.

00:11:59.000 Having credit is totally dependent on your own personal decisions.

00:12:05.000 It's totally dependent on whether or not you actually want to live within your means.

00:12:11.000 And you remember one of the goals of the great reset: you're going to own nothing and you're going to be happy.

00:12:16.000 You're going to become a society of renters.

00:12:18.000 Good way to do it.

00:12:20.000 You see, if you're one of our older listeners, you probably heard from your kids or grandkids how expensive it is to buy a home.

00:12:26.000 Many of our younger listeners are emailing us and saying, Charlie, I have a high credit score.

00:12:32.000 What does this mean?

00:12:32.000 Too bad.

00:12:33.000 Means nothing.

00:12:34.000 That used to be actually the goal we would teach our kids: get a good credit score so then you could buy a home.

00:12:40.000 Not anymore.

00:12:41.000 It doesn't matter.

00:12:42.000 The government is trying to get rid of incentives that create good financial behavior.

00:12:47.000 This all fits into a pattern, though.

00:12:49.000 Biden's plan to forgive huge amounts of student loans, of course, doesn't make college cheaper.

00:12:54.000 It does three things, though.

00:12:55.000 It punishes anyone who actually did pay off their loan.

00:12:57.000 Second, it raises the overall cost of college.

00:13:00.000 And finally, it massively enriches colleges and sets a standard that we're just giving them huge amounts of money for absolutely nothing.

00:13:07.000 But this is part of a pattern.

00:13:09.000 It's part of a pattern of a country that many of you do not recognize.

00:13:12.000 I certainly don't.

00:13:13.000 Right now in America, this current regime, this Republican-Democrat uniparty of cultural takeover, as we're living through the cultural revolution, it prioritizes the criminal over the law-abiding citizen.

00:13:26.000 We elevate the groomer over the parent, the looter over the business owner, the trans terrorist over the normal citizen, the violent over the peaceful, the absurd over the rational, the ugly over the beautiful. 1.00

00:13:43.000 We were living in a time when the profane is given more preference than the holy, the reckless over the restrained, the instinctive over the prudent, the foreign over the domestic.

00:13:58.000 That's absolutely true.

00:13:59.000 Or the primal over the civilized.

00:14:01.000 In society right now, we are giving greater preference to the fragile over the tough.

00:14:06.000 The liar gets treated better than the person who tells the truth. 0.88

00:14:11.000 The indulgent over the disciplined and the fool over the wise. 0.92

00:14:15.000 We have seen this pattern of the great inversion of Western values, where if you recklessly spend money, you get rewarded.

00:14:22.000 You get more of what you subsidize and you get less of what you punish.

00:14:26.000 10 years ago, we lived in a country where we had to save money and to not engage and not indulge because there would be a cost or a consequence to that.

00:14:35.000 Life is a series of consequences and costs.

00:14:37.000 It's a series of trade-offs.

00:14:39.000 Well, in this situation, we are deciding to say the trade-off to engaging or indulging no longer exists.

00:14:48.000 What does this mean then for those of you that decided to save up money, decided to get good credit? 0.97

00:14:53.000 Your government is basically not just calling you a sucker.

00:14:56.000 The government says, well, you shouldn't have done that in the first place. 0.87

00:14:59.000 But isn't that the pattern we've seen emerge where criminals get treated better than law-abiding citizens, where groomers are treated better than parents?

00:15:09.000 This is an assault on meritocracy, homeownership, and the American dream.

00:15:13.000 This is an outrage.

00:15:15.000 And Biden does it all under the guise of equity to intentionally try and usher in some sort of great reset, pander to low-income voters.

00:15:25.000 But he doesn't care about what you think.

00:15:27.000 He never has.

00:15:28.000 Especially you young people out there that are trying to maybe get married and have kids and buy a home.

00:15:35.000 You know, this story right here: quote: homeowners with credit scores of 680 or more or higher will pay, for example, about $40 a month more on a home loan.

00:15:46.000 It's a tax on those that believe in delayed gratification.

00:15:52.000 That is your regime.

00:15:56.000 I don't know about you, but it takes a lot to shock me these days.

00:15:58.000 To see our judicial system resemble a third world banana republic, to see trusted American companies embrace insane and destructive woke ideologies is sometimes depressing.

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00:17:09.000 In America, we should have a tradition of free speech, but a Christian school, allegedly Christian school, Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington, has just voted to block a turning point USA chapter from hosting a Chinese dissident.

00:17:28.000 Yeah, we have nothing to learn from a Chinese dissident.

00:17:30.000 We're tolerant.

00:17:31.000 Meanwhile, we're not going to let the Chinese dissident come on campus.

00:17:35.000 Whitworth University, which you guys can go to whitworth.edu and express your opinion to them, has done this.

00:17:43.000 Well, joining us now is G Van Fleet, survivor of Mao's China, senior fellow at 1776 Action.

00:17:49.000 G, welcome to the program.

00:17:51.000 Well, thank you so much, Charlie.

00:17:53.000 You are my hero.

00:17:54.000 I listen to your podcast every day.

00:17:57.000 Oh, that's very kind.

00:17:58.000 Thank you so much for inviting me.

00:17:59.000 Well, thank you.

00:18:00.000 Well, now you're on the podcast.

00:18:01.000 So, God bless you.

00:18:02.000 That really means a lot.

00:18:04.000 So, G, tell us about this situation here involving Whitworth University.

00:18:10.000 Why are they so afraid of having you attend on campus?

00:18:15.000 Yeah, it is a question I have myself.

00:18:18.000 And I was invited and then later told I was banned or voted out.

00:18:24.000 And the reason given is that they saw from my Twitter account that I was supposedly anti-BMM and anti-LGBT and whatever.

00:18:41.000 And that is absolutely insane.

00:18:44.000 First of all, I have to say, I am never against the LGBT community.

00:18:50.000 That is a false accusation.

00:18:52.000 But I do have, according to what they say, I think they got from a tweet that tweeted out.

00:18:59.000 And it's a list of vocabulary that I said is a woke terms and unit, including BML.

00:19:08.000 BMM, it's not that I say they're Marxist.

00:19:11.000 They are absolutely claim themselves that they are Marxists.

00:19:15.000 They are trained Marxists.

00:19:18.000 These people, these students, do not have the correct information.

00:19:22.000 And they were fed with false information and misinformation.

00:19:26.000 But even if, I mean, those accusations aren't true, but even if there was some truth to it, who the heck are they to say that a Chinese dissident who survived Mao's China is not allowed on campus?

00:19:35.000 And so let me ask you, Zi, you know, you survived Mao's China as a dissident.

00:19:40.000 Was the suppression of free speech something that you saw Mao Zedong do during the Cultural Revolution?

00:19:47.000 And that's what I really, really want to do for the young people to give them a little history lesson that they never had.

00:19:55.000 I lived in Mao, China, and I witnessed what it is like to live in a society that free speech was not allowed.

00:20:04.000 And not only free speech, any speech was not allowed.

00:20:08.000 There were crazy stories of people who just made a comment, for example, of the Risen Prize, and they were arrested, being accused of attacking socialism, smearing socialism.

00:20:21.000 That is the world I came from.

00:20:23.000 When any speech can be interpreted as hate speech, hate, what is the hate speech in China?

00:20:32.000 That's anything against the CCP.

00:20:34.000 These young people have no idea where this country is going to. 0.85

00:20:41.000 When we get there, no one can speak, including all those on the left. 0.89

00:20:48.000 So, this is a group of 13 students that voted on this that have authority and power to police speech at Whitworth University.

00:20:58.000 They're a private university, so they're not bound by the First Amendment, but they're making a huge mistake, obviously, because they say that you're an ambassador of hate and all this.

00:21:06.000 When in reality, they're the bigots because they actually don't want to hear different ideas, but they really don't care.

00:21:12.000 Again, it's Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington, pretend to be a Christian university.

00:21:16.000 What would your message be if you were able to get on this campus or any other campus?

00:21:20.000 What would you try to teach these students?

00:21:22.000 You've seen a lot.

00:21:23.000 You could see patterns.

00:21:24.000 We, as human beings, have the ability for pattern recognition.

00:21:27.000 So, what would you teach these hyper-entitled elite Spokane University students?

00:21:33.000 What would you teach them?

00:21:35.000 Yes, actually, I just yesterday I talked to the students on the campus of the University of North Carolina, and I gave them a presentation about the parallels of the true cultural revolution that I experienced.

00:21:50.000 One 50 years ago in China, Mao's great proletarian cultural revolution, and one is the woke revolution that is unfolding in front of our eyes.

00:22:00.000 And the parallel is alarming.

00:22:02.000 The parallels are terrifying.

00:22:05.000 And how they divide people in China, it's by class, and here it's by race and gender or whatever intersectionality. 0.71

00:22:17.000 And how they attack family, how they groom the children in China. 1.00

00:22:24.000 We were taught, even though your parents are biological, the real parents were the party and the chairman Mao and attacked faith and cancel the culture and destroy the tradition.

00:22:36.000 Everything that I witnessed in the cultural revolution is playing out right here in front of us.

00:22:43.000 So, that's what I want to tell them: wake up.

00:22:46.000 We are really seeing history repeat, but they don't know because they're never taught history.

00:22:52.000 That is a real, and that's by design.

00:22:54.000 You'll know it.

00:22:56.000 So, Xi, can you just dive deeper into one of those elements?

00:23:00.000 Is it fair to say that under Mao's China, there was a direct and deliberate campaign to destroy the bond between a child and a parent, to turn children against their parents, their biological parents?

00:23:12.000 Can you talk more about that, please?

00:23:14.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:23:15.000 It did not start in cultural revolution.

00:23:17.000 It started the day that the CCP took power.

00:23:20.000 That was 1949.

00:23:22.000 And in school, the government school, that's what we're taught.

00:23:25.000 Those were the songs we're saying: that the party and Chairman Mao are real parents.

00:23:32.000 We were trained, we were groomed to believe that we will always defend Mao to the death, even if that means to report on our own parents.

00:23:44.000 There are plenty of stories.

00:23:46.000 There's one I'm just going to tell quickly of the story by a young man.

00:23:49.000 He was 16.

00:23:50.000 His name is Zhang Hongbin.

00:23:53.000 Hongbin means Red Guard.

00:23:54.000 So he basically changed his name to Red Guard because he want to be loyal to Mao.

00:24:01.000 He and his father reported his mother because she complained about Mao in the privacy of home.

00:24:10.000 And she was arrested and she was executed in two weeks, two months.

00:24:15.000 The story is not unique.

00:24:16.000 The story happened all the time.

00:24:18.000 And someone asked me, what did your parents tell you during the Cultural Revolution?

00:24:22.000 Nothing, nothing, because they don't trust their kids.

00:24:26.000 They know if they share their political views, which is if it happened not to be the correct review, the view, they have the risk of being reported by their kids.

00:24:40.000 That's how they destroy the family in China. 1.00

00:24:44.000 So you came to America in 1986 and the country's changed a lot since then.

00:24:49.000 It was a much freer country.

00:24:51.000 And could you have ever imagined that when you first came to America and successfully escaping Mao's tyranny, did you ever think that America would look more like Mao's tyranny than not?

00:25:06.000 Not in my wider stream.

00:25:08.000 I thought I escaped communism forever.

00:25:11.000 I thought I left all that behind me.

00:25:13.000 But I was just really heartbroken to see the same things happening here.

00:25:19.000 One of the things I was so happy to see is that here in America, I no longer have to censor my thought and I can speak my mind, but it's no longer the case.

00:25:32.000 That is gone.

00:25:34.000 And when I was, I know I witnessed everywhere.

00:25:37.000 It's in my workplace, around people around me, they censor themselves just like the Chinese did and Chinese still do. 1.00

00:25:46.000 And we were told at a very young age, shut up, don't say anything.

00:25:52.000 And the proverb said, the bird who sticks out its head first gets shot.

00:25:58.000 And now we see it everywhere.

00:26:00.000 People just bend down their head.

00:26:02.000 They do not dare to share their thoughts.

00:26:07.000 That's exactly right.

00:26:09.000 And I've talked about this for a while.

00:26:10.000 Can you just talk about how self-centered, if the regime can get you scared enough, they don't have to shut you up all the time.

00:26:17.000 They've successfully made you your own censor.

00:26:21.000 Exactly, absolutely.

00:26:22.000 And I think, and people ask me what it's like.

00:26:26.000 And yesterday, the student asked me, when did you realize you were indoctrinated?

00:26:30.000 And I said, I never realized I was indoctrinated when I was in school until finally after the Cultural Revolution, I went to college.

00:26:40.000 I started to get information from outside the outside world.

00:26:46.000 And when this time that it was no longer illegal or crime to listen to BBC and the voice of America.

00:26:55.000 And that's how I started to see, okay, there is another version of whatever truth, because we were told there's only one version of truth, only one version of the fact.

00:27:09.000 That's the whatever we're fed by the CCP.

00:27:14.000 So today is like that.

00:27:16.000 People do not get the correct information, not correct information, just different information of different perspectives.

00:27:23.000 They were fed with one version that is controlled by the academia and the mainstream media.

00:27:32.000 And that's exactly the same situation I saw when I was in China.

00:27:36.000 Just a reminder for the audience, G Van Fleet was going to speak at our turning point USA chapter at Whitworth University, but by a vote of nine to four, the student council at Whitworth University said, We know everything.

00:27:48.000 We are experts in the universe. 0.53

00:27:50.000 G Van Fleet can teach us nothing, and she's not allowed on campus.

00:27:54.000 That is Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington, who pretends to be a Christian university, but says that Maoist Mao dissidents are not allowed, even though they're the ones acting like Maoists.

00:28:08.000 So, G, you've lived through Mao's China.

00:28:11.000 Now you're living through the left's totalitarianism of America.

00:28:16.000 Some people say that, well, they're just going to stop, that the left will stop and that they're, you know, this is going to get too insane.

00:28:23.000 Based on your expertise and your lived experience, is there any evidence that the bad guys are ever just going to stop unless we stop them?

00:28:30.000 Nope, they will never stop.

00:28:32.000 First of all, I want to just let everyone know we are not backing down.

00:28:36.000 Actually, we're going to have that event in Whitworth outside the campus.

00:28:42.000 So nothing can stop us.

00:28:43.000 And actually, they helped us.

00:28:45.000 Now we're going to draw more attention.

00:28:47.000 A teacher just contacted me through Twitter and said he's going to bring his whole class to the event.

00:28:54.000 Yes, answer your question.

00:28:56.000 That is called continuous revolution in Mao's words.

00:29:01.000 They never stop.

00:29:04.000 Nothing is enough for them.

00:29:06.000 They won't stop until the whole country or the whole society burned to the ground.

00:29:13.000 So no, they will not stop.

00:29:15.000 And we have to fight back and don't have their illusion.

00:29:20.000 Oh, they had enough.

00:29:21.000 If we just let them have what they have, they will stop.

00:29:24.000 They won't.

00:29:26.000 So, Zhi, I want to ask you: I have two questions remaining.

00:29:29.000 The first of which is, do you see this radical trans narrative as a way to divide and conquer families and communities? 0.99

00:29:37.000 Absolutely.

00:29:38.000 And I have to say that my experience in China is different.

00:29:42.000 And Mao used the class to divide the society and give everyone identity.

00:29:50.000 You are either black class or red class. 0.97

00:29:52.000 And the black class were the enemy of the state. 1.00

00:29:55.000 And that's sufficient because he was ruling over the Chinese people who never experienced freedom. 0.99

00:30:04.000 They were always on the tyranny.

00:30:06.000 So that's easier for Mao.

00:30:09.000 In this country, they have to be more creative.

00:30:12.000 They started with race, and now we know the CRT revolution really never gets anywhere. 0.69

00:30:21.000 And even the CRT theorists admit their revolution is failing.

00:30:26.000 So they have to continue to explore other identity.

00:30:30.000 The latest of its trends.

00:30:32.000 Okay, I have no problem with people who make their choice doing whatever when they are adults.

00:30:38.000 I am against transgenderism because it is a Marxist ideology because it denies basic biology. 1.00

00:30:48.000 Not only that, they push it on us that we have to accept it.

00:30:53.000 We have to get along.

00:30:54.000 And, you know, people say, you know, that's, I tell you, a better word, and that is Mao's word.

00:31:00.000 That's called proletarian dictatorship.

00:31:04.000 That's what they're doing.

00:31:05.000 They are using their power to suppress any other narrative that go counter theirs.

00:31:12.000 So they are using the power really to suppress people like us that have a different view.

00:31:19.000 And we had, I saw that, I experienced that in China, and it's here in America.

00:31:25.000 So powerful.

00:31:26.000 And in closing, the last question I have, Zhi, how do we beat these guys?

00:31:30.000 How do we beat the Maoists?

00:31:31.000 What is their, what is their weakness?

00:31:34.000 What do the Maoists, the Stalinists, the totalitarians fear?

00:31:39.000 How do we win?

00:31:40.000 Yeah.

00:31:40.000 First off, I'll say I thank you so much for what you do.

00:31:43.000 You are doing, I call it a rescue operation or rescue mission.

00:31:48.000 We need to really, to win the war, we have to get to the young people. 1.00

00:31:54.000 And the young people, what they are lacking is history. 0.86

00:31:59.000 They do not know history.

00:32:01.000 That's why they have no idea.

00:32:04.000 And when you know what's going on, people like me, people who have lived under communism, it is so clear to us what's going on.

00:32:13.000 Absolutely, because we were there.

00:32:14.000 We know the history.

00:32:16.000 So once we were able to teach the young people the history and let them know, this is nothing new.

00:32:23.000 Don't you think this is something new, something grand idea?

00:32:28.000 No, this happened.

00:32:29.000 Happened before it happened.

00:32:31.000 In all communist countries, especially in China, they need to learn the cultural revolution.

00:32:38.000 That's what I do.

00:32:39.000 That's what I made it my mission to teach American the lesson that they never learned.

00:32:46.000 Once they know the history, they will see things differently.

00:32:52.000 They will say, wow, it's surely history repeating itself.

00:32:57.000 G, God bless you.

00:32:58.000 Thank you so much.

00:32:59.000 I appreciate that.

00:33:00.000 Thank you.

00:33:01.000 Thank you.

00:33:03.000 Honestly, shame on us as a country if we don't listen to people like Yan Meepark and people like G Van Feli that are trying to warn us that we're bringing Maoism to the shore.

00:33:13.000 It's not an exaggeration.

00:33:14.000 It's not a hyperbole.

00:33:15.000 Maoism is here.

00:33:17.000 We must fight it with truth and history.

00:33:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:23.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:26.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:33:27.000 God bless.

00:33:31.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 21, 2023

Why You Can’t Buy a House + A Conversation with Chinese Cultural Revolution Survivor Xi Van Fleet

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