Sen. Eric Schmidt (D-Missouri) joins us to explain why there is a war on white people in the U.S. military. He explains why there are too many white officers in the Air Force, and why this is a problem.
00:00:11.000Then we have Alan Dershowitz on the Trump indictments and Senator Eric Schmidt on why there is a war on white people in the American military.
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00:00:59.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:08.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:36.000He has been leading the charge very effectively against Charles Brown, who is Biden's selection to become the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
00:01:50.000Senator Schmidt has been hammering him because Charles Brown set racial quotas for the Air Force to massively slash the number of white male officers down to just 43%.
00:02:03.000One of his motives for doing so, no joke, is that he's bitter about getting questioned over his reserved parking spaces and blames racism.
00:03:20.000And I think that this is what's troubling about all this, Charlie, is that the Biden administration, who is obsessed with racial quotas and this race essentialism and this divisive DEI, you know, these trainings, these sort of struggle sessions that are rooted in cultural Marxism have no place at all in our military.
00:03:42.000But the Democrats, they want to politicize everything.
00:03:44.000I mean, what's further in that clip is there's 8,500 well-trained men and women of our armed services who are fired because they didn't get a COVID vaccine.
00:03:52.000They're not doing anything to recruit those folks either.
00:03:55.000But getting back to this DEI stuff, it's just toxic.
00:03:58.000Essentially, the military has been the greatest meritocracy in the world.
00:04:02.000People from every socioeconomic background, race, gender, whatever can achieve great things, right?
00:04:07.000You've got there's ticker tape parades being held for people who came from the lowest rung of the economic ladder because they did great things.
00:04:15.000And there's a reason why they wear uniforms.
00:04:16.000There's a reason why they had the same haircuts.
00:04:21.000So this idea that you're going to be separating people by the races or hiring people or not hiring people because of their skin color goes backwards.
00:04:30.000And so he has a memo that I questioned about at that hearing of just last year that essentially sets racial quotas for officers.
00:04:37.000And the practical result of that, Charlie, is essentially there's 5,400 people that if you follow this logic, under his point of view, should be fired.
00:04:47.000You know, and we're dealing with a confidence issue now in the military.
00:04:50.000We're dealing with recruiting challenges.
00:04:53.000I believe we should be reaching far and wide, recruiting everybody who wants to serve.
00:05:00.000DEI is something very different than that.
00:05:02.000And I think part of this is educating people about what it is.
00:05:04.000And also that the Department of Defense and the Biden administration is just held in on injecting all this divisive stuff in the military and they shouldn't.
00:05:11.000Well, and I just see this contradiction, if I may, Senator, which is many people in D.C. are clamoring for conflict abroad.
00:05:20.000They say that China might take Taiwan, which I certainly don't think happens.
00:05:24.000What's going on in Eastern Ukraine while simultaneously trying to destroy our own military?
00:05:27.000I don't know how those things could simultaneously exist.
00:05:30.000I don't want more foreign intervention, but if I did, I would also want the best possible military, right?
00:05:36.000So it's as if we're getting involved in these quagmires abroad while we're making decisions that will obviously make us less prepared to fight our adversaries or whatever war might be looming.
00:05:47.000In private, do you think there's enough support from senators to block this guy?
00:05:54.000I mean, we should be able to have a joint chief of staff that doesn't want to displace white officers from their positions.
00:06:01.000I can't actually believe we're even having this conversation, right?
00:06:05.000That somebody's been nominated that's advocated for racial quotas.
00:06:07.000And look, he's had a distinguished career.
00:06:09.000I'm not taking anything away from him.
00:06:10.000It's crew, but when it comes to leadership, like when you're in a leadership position now where you're sort of setting policy goals, and that's what that position would be, you can't have somebody in my view that's advocating for racial quotas, essentially discrimination.
00:06:29.000I mean, you know, there are people who want to send, you know, over $100 billion to Ukraine who don't want to have us spend the money to secure our own southern border.
00:06:37.000You know, our military has to be focused in a laser-like way on protecting the homeland, right?
00:06:45.000Lethality and understanding the threat that China poses.
00:06:49.000That's kind of how I sympathize with that.
00:06:52.000And it's just, I find it interesting because there is widespread agreement in Congress to basically increase the likelihood that we might have a kinetic war, you know, in Europe while also diminishing our own military.
00:07:05.000Senator, I am curious, though, in private, in the hallway, when you talk to your Democrat senator colleagues, do they even acknowledge that this is absolutely insane?
00:07:13.000I mean, I can't imagine that an honest person thinks that this is a good idea for military preparedness to defend the homeland.
00:07:21.000Well, I'll tell you, I mean, I'm on the Armed Services Committee.
00:07:24.000There are no Democrats that even raise this issue.
00:07:26.000This is just not, this isn't something that they care about.
00:07:29.000They are perfectly willing to go along with this idea of DEI sort of indoctrination everywhere.
00:07:35.000I mean, you see it in our schools with CRT.
00:07:37.000You see it in our schools with a lot of this.
00:07:40.000I mean, so there isn't any institution, I guess, that's immune from this divisibility into politics that the Democrats want to interject.
00:07:46.000And of course, the mainstream media, Charlie, you know, comes after Republicans.
00:07:50.000Republicans pounce when we're the ones, well, you know, me, I'll just use now, I'm not going to speak for anybody else, trying to pull this stuff out, right?
00:07:58.000I don't want our military politicized.
00:08:00.000I want them to be the best fighting force they can be to protect our country.
00:08:03.000Well, no, and this shouldn't be something that it's turned into where all of a sudden it's some sort of divisive issue.
00:08:11.000But I will tell you, Charlie, I will say one victory in the NDAA that came out of the Senate.
00:08:18.000We did get an, I got an amendment on that stops DEI hirings, and Joe Manchin voted for that.
00:08:26.000So I think if you get people to actually have to vote, you start to see the fallacy of all this stuff and how toxic it really is.
00:08:36.000So my view is: let's have all these amendments voted on, see where people are at, because I think the pressure of actually having to be accountable to the people you represent on these things is important, which is why you can't allow the administrative state and the executive overreach to supplant the importance of the Article I branch Congress actually making policy, right?
00:08:58.000Nobody in Congress ever voted for these DEI stuff, ever.
00:09:01.000And if it's such a good idea, we should vote on it.
00:09:04.000I would vote no, but that's not what the Biden administration is doing.
00:09:06.000Well, I think that's such an important point, which is, okay, John Tester, like you run these stupid advertisements on Montana television relentlessly from now till next November of you pretending to pheasant hunt, even though you haven't pulled a hunter's license, you know, a license in the last 10 years.
00:09:22.000Why don't you go vote on having less white people just for racial quotas?
00:09:38.000And we got to get the power back with the people because no one supports this.
00:09:42.000I mean, there's some people, but people don't want our military politicized.
00:09:45.000They don't want people, you know, they don't want racially discriminatory policies where if you're white, you can't advance or there's too many white officers.
00:10:03.000So as you know, I had the Missouri versus Biden case that preceded Twitter files and all these hearings.
00:10:07.000All this stuff's good because it's bringing to light this vast censorship enterprise.
00:10:12.000And so we're going to have legislation that not only do big tech companies lose their Section 230 protections if they violate people's First Amendment rights, but you also a private right of action against individual government actors if they do it, making sure they can't collude with universities like Stanford, University of Washington, and hide some of this censorship activity.
00:10:32.000We've got to get at the private side, the government side, and protect people's First Amendment rights at all costs.
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00:11:54.000For 11 years, Turning Point USA has been working, and we've been working.
00:12:00.000In fact, we started our educational efforts to try and turn, get it, millennials to be less Marxist.
00:12:08.000They were supposed to be the most progressive generation in history.
00:12:12.000Well, now millennials have moved by nearly 20 or 30 points to be almost a 50-50 generation.
00:12:18.000But of course, the people that sit on Twitter and do nothing, they say, oh, Charlie, you have this big organization.
00:12:23.000What are you doing at all with Generation Z?
00:12:26.000The answer is we've been getting to work.
00:12:27.000We have by far the largest, because it's the only, investment with high school leadership and chapter development in the history of the conservative movement.
00:12:38.000That's right, 60 full-time people just in our high school department.
00:12:42.000Well, over 75 in our college department.
00:12:46.000That's 135 just on our high school and college department together, full-time people.
00:12:50.000No one has made that investment in the grassroots and the field troops like Turning Point USA.
00:12:55.000We knew that high schoolers needed to be developed, communicated to through social media, podcasting, and yes, the good old-fashioned organizing, chapter development.
00:13:06.000We started our Turning Point USA high school department a couple years ago, and it has been growing rapidly.
00:13:12.000Because we believe that Generation Z, there's no reason why Gen Z has to be nearly as liberal as the elites predicted.
00:13:29.000That's right there, new hire training at Turning Point USA, while other groups are sitting around on their hands doing nothing, complaining, sitting in Washington, D.C., having high-priced dinners or whatever they do, taking your money and lying to you.
00:14:43.000The actual young men that want a future, meaning, and purpose are not just drifting to the right.
00:14:50.000They are coming to the conservative movement in huge numbers.
00:14:52.000Now, the bad news, and you have to be honest about it, is the young women are more liberal than ever, ever, because liberalism is rooted in complaining and young girls love to complain.
00:15:49.000By the way, black men too, young black men are drifting to the right.
00:15:52.000And you see this, by the way, in the rise of Andrew Tate.
00:15:55.000Again, Andrew Tate is not someone to be, let's say, elevated on his own personal life, but what he says is very interesting: decline of masculinity, taking responsibility for your life.
00:16:06.000And now the macro trend is showing it.
00:16:08.000At Turning Point USA, we are doing the work to save America.
00:16:12.000There's other groups that are doing stuff too.
00:16:13.000No one is working hard as Turning Point USA.
00:16:16.000No one is having it as their daily mission, the drumbeat, to move the dial.
00:16:22.000It shows that there is this massive hunger and we are not going to give up.
00:16:25.000This is why the media attacks Turning Point USA so much and Turning Point Action.
00:16:30.000This is why they come after us so much.
00:16:32.000And by the way, women are wired to be more emotional, and liberal policies appeal to their emotions.
00:16:38.000The women project's a whole different thing.
00:16:40.000Men are rational, hopefully so, in their politics.
00:16:45.000Not that women are necessarily irrational, but honestly, if you believe that men can give birth and you vote for that, go to the left.
00:16:53.000Women, oh, why can't we let everyone in?
00:16:55.000It's the man's job to say no, as Andrew Tate would say.
00:16:59.000No, we're not going to let in 5 million people.
00:17:01.000No, we're not going to abolish fossil fuels.
00:18:43.000You couldn't have timed it better with all these indictments and the entire legal apparatus being thrown at him.
00:18:48.000Professor, I want to ask you about your reaction to the indictment that came down last week, this superseding indictment.
00:18:55.000Well, on its face, it raises some serious issues.
00:18:59.000It looks like perhaps one of President Trump's employees may have flipped and become a government witness.
00:19:06.000But when you look closely at the superseding indictment itself, the most troubling aspects of it seem like they're double or triple hearsay.
00:19:15.000That this employee heard that that employee was told that the president may have said that he wanted the videos erased.
00:19:25.000That would be inadmissible in a trial unless the government claimed there was a broad conspiracy and it would come in under the conspiracy exception.
00:19:36.000But it's not obvious that the jury will ever hear that kind of hearsay statement or if they heard it, that they would believe it.
00:19:45.000I didn't see anything in the indictment that has an eye or ear witness who says, I heard the president say that the tape should be erased.
00:19:57.000If there were such a witness and if the witness were believed, that does constitute an obstruction of justice.
00:20:03.000But there's a long way between an indictment.
00:20:06.000As you know, a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich.
00:20:12.000So we have to keep an open mind and see what the evidence actually is and whether it's credible and believable.
00:20:19.000And so in your experience in dealing with the government, is it common that they'll throw these superseding indictments as more evidence is arising?
00:20:27.000What is usually, walk us through a superseding indictment.
00:20:32.000Why do they usually are presented the way they are?
00:20:35.000Well, there are a lot of reasons for presenting it.
00:20:37.000If they get new witnesses, they will supersede.
00:20:39.000If they get new evidence, they will supersede.
00:20:41.000Sometimes they will supersede to change the venue, the place where the trial is going to be.
00:20:46.000That didn't seem to have been the case here.
00:20:48.000It's still going to be in Palm Beach, Florida County.
00:20:53.000It also can sometimes serve to threaten other defendants.
00:20:58.000After all, they did indict some new person and they may want to flip him and turn him into a witness.
00:21:04.000You know, the government can not only make witnesses sing, they can often make them compose, and that is make up stories or change stories or make the stories even better.
00:21:15.000So there's a long, long way between saying something in an indictment and proving it up beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
00:21:23.000Professor Dershowitz's book is Get Trump.
00:21:29.000So it seems, Professor, that either let's just take Georgia first.
00:21:33.000Georgia is imminent as if Fannie Willis is going to indict Donald Trump.
00:21:38.000You said something on this program that I thought was brilliant, and I've not heard a single person repeat it, where you make the distinction about Trump saying get votes.
00:22:12.000And it is not in any way a crime to tell vote counters to look hard and see if you've lost some votes.
00:22:18.000We know that in many parts of the country, votes were lost temporarily and then they were found.
00:22:24.000And so I think that call is actually his best defense.
00:22:28.000I think the other best defense, both to that charge and the January 6th charge, will be the fact that the traditional way since the Tilden Hayes election and Thomas even Thomas Jefferson's election and other elections back in our history and certainly in 1960 was if you want to challenge an election, you put up a slate of alternate electors.
00:22:51.000A court in Hawaii said that was the appropriate thing to do.
00:22:55.000So I think they're going to have trouble as a matter of law indicting him on this fake electors scheme because it's the way to challenge.
00:23:06.000It's certainly a far better way of challenging an election than having a riot or a demonstration or entering into the Capitol.
00:23:13.000I think we want to encourage lawyers to bring challenges.
00:23:17.000I was part of the challenge that was brought in Bush versus Gore.
00:23:22.000I was the lawyer for the voters in Palm Beach County who were fooled and tricked, we believed, into voting for Bush based on what was called the butterfly ballot.
00:23:38.000That's the only election I've ever challenged.
00:23:40.000I didn't challenge the 2020 or the 2022 elections, but I did challenge the 2000 election, and we did it lawfully and legally, and that should be encouraged more than street demonstrations.
00:24:05.000And what exact, how would you defend against Donald Trump's pending seditious conspiracy?
00:24:11.000Because they're going to make the argument, I think, that he had these electors.
00:24:14.000He was trying to overthrow the government through false certification of electors.
00:24:19.000But what you're saying is it's perfectly constitutional.
00:24:22.000It's within your free speech rights as a candidate to contest election results.
00:24:27.000Not only that, it should be encouraged.
00:24:29.000We want to encourage contesting votes and let the courts decide it because, you know, many, many millions of Americans, not me, I was not included among them, but many millions of Americans doubted the validity of the 2020 and in Arizona, the 2022 elections.
00:24:47.000And the best way of resolving that is taking it to the courts, taking it to Congress, using the constitutional means to challenge.
00:24:59.000But, you know, it's all part of the get Trump.
00:25:02.000What's happened is, you know, my one criticism of what you said before I got on the air was you equated liberals with woke and progressives.
00:25:39.000I'm a libertarian, civil libertarian, liberal.
00:25:44.000And progressives and wokes are very, very, very different.
00:25:48.000And it's the progressives and wokes that are trying now to criminalize what are legitimate constitutional means of challenging elections.
00:25:56.000Oh, I think that, and I think that's a great point you made.
00:26:00.000And you're an increasingly endangered species in American politics, especially someone who is willing to speak and have dialogue and you believe in the Constitution.
00:26:10.000So I want to ask about this particular element as well, which, again, you talk about in your book, Get Trump, The Threat to Civil Liberties, Due Process, and Our Constitutional Rule of Law.
00:26:20.000Do you think the Department of Justice using the Proud Boys' convictions as the model to indict Trump could potentially disqualify him from running in 2024 using the 14th Amendment where it says insurrection or rebellion?
00:26:35.000Well, insurrection or rebellion had a very precise meaning back in the 1860s.
00:26:43.000I've just been reading a history book written by Lincoln's private secretary about the beginnings of the Civil War and the Civil War in general.
00:26:52.000There's no doubt 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were the peace treaty ending the Civil War.
00:26:59.000And what the 14th Amendment meant is that if you were Jefferson Davis or Judah Benjamin, you could not run for office unless the House and the Senate allowed you to by a two-thirds vote or whatever it was in the Constitution.
00:27:15.000It has nothing to do with what happened on January 6th.
00:27:19.000And anybody who tries to interpret the words of that constitutional amendment to prohibit Trump from running, even if he were to be convicted, would be stretching the Constitution beyond its intended meaning.
00:27:31.000Well, I'm afraid that's potentially what they are going to do.
00:27:36.000So, and then finally, there is some speculation, Professor.
00:27:39.000Now, this might be very radical, but I don't put anything past them with the entire idea of getting Trump, that they might have, at the very most extreme, pretrial detention and deny Donald Trump bail and or with certain, let's just say, stipulations, conditions.
00:27:57.000You can't travel outside of a certain proximity.
00:28:00.000What are your thoughts on this with a DOJ microphone?
00:28:05.000The Eighth Amendment prohibits success of bail, and bail can only be denied if a person is likely to flee the country.
00:28:12.000And it's hard to imagine Donald Trump getting on his private plane and heading off to where?
00:28:55.000I don't think that a man running for president should be indicted by his opponent's administration in the United States unless the evidence meets what I call the Nixon-Clinton standards.
00:29:06.000The Nixon standard is bipartisan support for his impeachment, which is what occurred.
00:29:13.000Clinton was not prosecuted for what she did with respect to possibly classified material.
00:29:20.000And you can't have a double standard for a candidate on the Democratic side and a candidate on the Republican side.
00:29:26.000So I don't think it is proper to ever prosecute a man running for president or a woman running for president against the incumbent unless the evidence is so clear and overwhelming that both parties would support it.
00:30:06.000And I suspect the trial will not take place before the election.
00:30:09.000You know, they say it's going to happen in May, but there are all kinds of pretrial motions.
00:30:14.000There might be motions that are appealable to the Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:30:19.000So I wouldn't count on the trial actually taking place in May.
00:30:23.000And we know now that the New York trial, which is a farce, the New York indictment is the worst indictment I've seen in 60 years of practicing law.
00:30:31.000The New York trial has now been postponed until after the Florida trial.
00:30:52.000And I don't want my constitutional right to vote against him or your constitutional right to vote for him to be in any way interfered with by bureaucrats.
00:31:01.000We have different political choices most likely in the 2024 election, but we need to have trust that our systems are not going to be interfered with by our government.
00:31:09.000Look, the ultimate check and balance in any system is elections.
00:31:12.000And elections should be free and open.
00:31:14.000And it's in banana republics that one administration will go after their opponents and not really let them run a full and complete campaign.
00:31:23.000The American public will only trust the election system if both parties are allowed to run on equal strength and on the merits of their positions.
00:31:34.000You know, I'd love the 2024 election to turn on the economy and on foreign relations rather than on who's the worst criminal, the, you know, the Trump family or the Biden family.
00:31:44.000That's a terrible thing to have the American people have to choose between them.
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00:33:09.000So, Professor, this is, I'm sure you have some strong opinions about this, the damage this does to our systems, and almost, I don't know, how we heal it or how we remedy it.
00:33:19.000It just, what bothers me is that the people on the progressive woke left, I will take that distinction.
00:33:26.000They seem not to care that they're damaging the institutions, that this is now going to be basically an era where you just indict your political opponent just to hold on to political power.
00:33:37.000Do you think your former friends and colleagues, Harvard Law and all the top law firms, do you think they care about the damage they're doing?
00:33:45.000I mean, Professor Lawrence Tribe, who teaches constitutional law in Harvard and two other professors recently basically have said to their students, don't listen to the Supreme Court, ignore the Supreme Court, circumvent the Supreme Court's ruling on race-based affirmative action.
00:34:06.000We're seeing the rule of law really in so many ways destroyed.
00:34:12.000And, you know, when Larry David came up to me in the Chillmark store and screamed at me and yelled at me and said I was disgusting with the veins bursting on his forehead, it was as if he was talking to Heinrich Himmler and that I had just defended Adolf Hitler.
00:34:27.000I mean, that's the way some of these people on the extreme woke radical left think of Donald Trump.
00:34:45.000It has cost me, as defending Donald Trump cost me a great deal in terms of friendships, the way my wife has been treated, the way my children, my grandchildren have been treated.
00:34:56.000People just have lost all sense of decency when it comes to having different points of view.
00:35:04.000And the irony is I share many of their points of view on the merits, not the extreme progressive woke points of view, but generally points of view.
00:35:14.000I'm in favor of reasonable abortion choice, reasonable climate control, reasonable gun control.
00:35:20.000I am a traditional liberal, but my former friends on the radical left, one of them was walking yesterday on the beach and he saw me coming and he took a sharp right turn, went up to the top of the dunes.
00:35:33.000I thought he'd fall off to avoid even seeing me.
00:36:22.000My love of the Constitution, my love of America, my demand that we have complete free speech and opportunity to express our views and that we comply with the Constitution.
00:36:42.000President Obama was invited and he said he would come.
00:36:45.000But then when he heard that Geraldo Rivera was invited too, basically his office said, unless you disinvite Geraldo Rivera, I'm not coming.
00:37:15.000So of course I invited him to my 75th birthday and I'm inviting him to my 85th birthday.
00:37:20.000Professor, I wish that there were more liberals in public life that were willing to put an ideal of due process, independent judiciary above politics because we're heading in a very, very troubling direction.
00:37:34.000I want to thank you for your courage there and check out the book, Get Trump.
00:37:37.000I believe we are going to heal our land when we can put our ideals above our politics.