The Charlie Kirk Show - Wiles's Wild Interview + The Millennial “Lost Generation”

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 Andrew Colvett in today, joined by Blake Neff in the other seat.

00:01:16.000 We've got lots to get to today.

00:01:18.000 We're going to be joined by Mark Halperin in the second half of this hour.

00:01:21.000 Help us make sense of some of the Susie Wiles news.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, that just came out out of nowhere.

00:01:26.000 Vanity Fair.

00:01:26.000 Out of nowhere.

00:01:27.000 I've got some hype for, but this was just sort of dropped it and surprised everybody this morning.

00:01:33.000 Lots of interesting quotes, I think it's safe to say.

00:01:36.000 So there's lots of speculation about what this means.

00:01:39.000 Is she on her way out?

00:01:41.000 Did they think this was a book interview?

00:01:44.000 Lots of fascinating stuff.

00:01:45.000 Obviously, this is Amfest Week, so America Fest is coming to Phoenix the 18th, 1920, and 21st, right at the Phoenix Convention Center.

00:01:54.000 All the biggest names, all the biggest speakers.

00:01:56.000 It's going to be a wild couple days.

00:01:58.000 I was hoping I was going to get a lot of sleep last night, Blake, and for some reason, like, I woke up at four and I tried to go back to sleep.

00:02:07.000 Whoops.

00:02:08.000 Didn't happen.

00:02:09.000 So that's not a good sign for Amfest Week.

00:02:12.000 AmFest Week, you need to have all your energy, all your sleep, your hydration, well-nourished.

00:02:18.000 Maybe you could pull a Charlie and have one of those mid-midday IDs.

00:02:24.000 That man was a high-performance engineer.

00:02:26.000 He was a Ferrari of a human being.

00:02:28.000 So there's that.

00:02:30.000 And then we're going to have Yael Eckstein to reflect on the Hanukkah massacre in Bondi Beach, Australia, which is still a tragedy we need to make sense of.

00:02:39.000 And then we're going to have Kurt Schlichter.

00:02:41.000 We're going to have a gun discussion.

00:02:42.000 We're also going to talk about, should we nuke the filibuster?

00:02:44.000 Mark Wynn Mullen made some big news yesterday by just basically coming out in favor of it.

00:02:50.000 A gun discussion and a nuke discussion.

00:02:51.000 Lots of weapons.

00:02:51.000 Yes.

00:02:52.000 Lots of weapons.

00:02:53.000 And yeah, and there's also this compact article we've got to find some time for it.

00:02:59.000 It went viral yesterday.

00:03:00.000 It's very compact magazine.

00:03:02.000 It's called The Lost Generation 184.

00:03:04.000 If you want to throw it up, it'll be a little tease.

00:03:06.000 I don't think we're ready to get into it just yet, but 184. 0.96

00:03:09.000 So it's the, they call it the lost generation.

00:03:12.000 It's all about how there's basically been a whole group of millennials that are turning about 40 right now. 0.78

00:03:17.000 If you are a millennial, if you are a young white millennial male, you've basically gone through, let's just say it, a modern day quasi-Jim Crow in industry after industry where you were systematically excluded and they all got screwed.

00:03:30.000 Those are, I mean, I guess Gen Z is who Charlie cared about the most, but so many of the people who were saying are disasters, who haven't married, haven't settled down.

00:03:30.000 Those are some of the people.

00:03:39.000 They're these people who just spent their entire 25 to 40 range.

00:03:44.000 They got hit by the Great Recession.

00:03:45.000 And then just, let's just say it, systematic discrimination in American life.

00:03:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess we're getting into it.

00:03:52.000 We are getting into it.

00:03:52.000 I guess we are.

00:03:53.000 I mean, we are going to bring Halpert over for the Susie Wiles.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, we're talking about Wiles with him.

00:03:57.000 But I mean, listen, if you're turning, I would say probably between, if you're between the ages of like 35 and 45, this probably could have affected you, right?

00:04:06.000 And if you're 30 to 45. 0.84

00:04:10.000 You know, and we rage against the marriage rates. 1.00

00:04:12.000 We rage against the low fertility rates.

00:04:15.000 We rage against the fact that homeownership has the average meeting new home buyer is at like 40 years old. 0.98

00:04:21.000 We talk about all these ills.

00:04:24.000 But what is really driving down the average?

00:04:26.000 It's these commissars of wokeness that came in right around.

00:04:30.000 That's actually not who the article blames.

00:04:33.000 It's not the commissars of wokeness necessarily.

00:04:35.000 This is the interesting thing.

00:04:36.000 So just so you guys can.

00:04:38.000 I think it's connected.

00:04:39.000 So you can look this all up again.

00:04:40.000 It's The Lost Generation.

00:04:41.000 It's a very long article on Compact Magazine.

00:04:43.000 This was a huge number of personalities on X were discussing this.

00:04:47.000 It's going to be one of the most read articles of the year on the right.

00:04:50.000 Jacob Savage.

00:04:51.000 And it's by Jacob Savage, who is a writer based in Los Angeles.

00:04:54.000 And he tells his own story.

00:04:55.000 He was trying to become a TV or film writer in Los Angeles, which that's long been a job a ton of young white guys get.

00:05:04.000 Did you go there trying to be a writer?

00:05:06.000 I was trying to be a writer.

00:05:08.000 You have no idea how internalized all of this was.

00:05:11.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:05:12.000 A ton of, I mean, you know, artsy young men, they want to be, a lot of them want to be journalists.

00:05:12.000 So that's a job.

00:05:17.000 Some of them want to be film writers.

00:05:19.000 Some of them want to go into academia.

00:05:20.000 And it's really focused on those industries.

00:05:22.000 What's interesting, though, as somebody who lived this a little bit, it wasn't really artsy young men.

00:05:28.000 It's really analytical, sharp-minded.

00:05:30.000 That's the people that are driven to go into the writing and producing fields.

00:05:35.000 If they were in a different city, they would have been engineers.

00:05:38.000 I'm not kidding.

00:05:39.000 It's like the same.

00:05:40.000 It's the same profile.

00:05:41.000 These are like an artist get hit.

00:05:44.000 So it's focusing on especially those slightly more creative fields or academia.

00:05:48.000 It's a creative field.

00:05:49.000 It's journalism, arts, creativity.

00:05:49.000 Sure.

00:05:53.000 And how around 2014, you start getting the woke bubble, which is, you know, you need more diversity in all things.

00:06:00.000 You need to have more women, women of color, people of color.

00:06:04.000 It's the line they had.

00:06:05.000 It reminds us of things that were viral a decade ago that people have forgotten.

00:06:09.000 Like there was a thing called Oscars So White.

00:06:11.000 It was a hashtag.

00:06:12.000 We used to have hashtag campaigns before.

00:06:14.000 And then they got Chris Rock to Elon Bot X.

00:06:17.000 He got rid of the hashtags.

00:06:18.000 They got Chris Rock to host the Oscars next year.

00:06:20.000 And Oscar's So White was just everyone nominated for the acting, the major acting categories was white that year. 0.86

00:06:26.000 Okay.

00:06:27.000 And so suddenly there was just this demand.

00:06:30.000 You need to have diversity.

00:06:32.000 And what it points out again and again is the boomers and Gen Xers, there's all these older, you know, older white men who actually are already established in fields. 0.63

00:06:42.000 And they just froze it in amber. 0.55

00:06:44.000 And so what it became was they would just have everyone beneath them would be used to hit those diversity metrics.

00:06:50.000 So it's not, oh, we're going to increase diversity by making 15% of the established people leave and replace them.

00:06:57.000 It's we're going to just categorically eliminate young white men from the pipeline for all of these jobs. 0.59

00:07:05.000 And that's exactly, that turns out exactly what it looks like. 0.71

00:07:09.000 All of these people who are wanted to go into these fields, they just could not get jobs in them at all.

00:07:14.000 And you really think what sort of impact that has to be on one's psychology, which I know people who have gone through that.

00:07:21.000 I can absolutely say very certainly, I experienced just this.

00:07:25.000 Yeah.

00:07:25.000 I experienced just this when I was living in LA, where just it was common just to say, oh, well, too bad you're a white guy.

00:07:33.000 Like, you know, this would be a lot easier if you had something we could throw out there. 0.96

00:07:38.000 Like, are you gay? 1.00

00:07:39.000 I'm not even kidding. 0.99

00:07:40.000 They say that.

00:07:40.000 They mentioned being gay.

00:07:42.000 They always will have something.

00:07:44.000 They'll have like some American Indian ancestry. 0.99

00:07:46.000 They pulled Elizabeth Warren.

00:07:47.000 And I was literally like, no, I'm a white heterosexual Christian.

00:07:51.000 And they're like, sorry.

00:07:51.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 Good luck.

00:07:53.000 And the numbers in here, it's worth reading just for all of the numbers. 0.51

00:07:56.000 In 2011, 14 years ago, white men were 48% of low-level TV writers.

00:08:01.000 In 2024, 13 years later, they were 11.9%.

00:08:05.000 That's dramatic.

00:08:07.000 In, let's see.

00:08:08.000 The Atlantic editorial staff went from 53% white and 80% male and 89% white in 2013 to 36% male and 66% white in 2024.

00:08:20.000 Tenure-track faculty at Harvard, 39% white men in the humanities to 18%.

00:08:26.000 And when that means is if you're dropping that much and you're not cutting off the people who aren't early, it's that it's a total cutoff at the bottom.

00:08:34.000 Yeah.

00:08:35.000 And so you just took a group, white men, there's still about 25% of young American adults, a little bit more even, 25, 30%.

00:08:44.000 And let's be frank, they're a pretty talented 30%.

00:08:47.000 They're more likely to complete college, more likely to develop a lot of skills than some other groups that have been favored in America the last decade.

00:08:57.000 And yet they're just treated as practical untouchables in a huge number of fields.

00:09:01.000 And it's bad for them.

00:09:03.000 It's totally derailed their lives because if you were subject to this discrimination for the past five years, 10 years, that ruins your career.

00:09:11.000 That's the period where you need to get off the ground and you're just stuck in entry-level stuff.

00:09:16.000 And on top of that, it fried American meritocracy.

00:09:20.000 Why are TV shows so bad?

00:09:21.000 Maybe because they didn't hire good writers to do it.

00:09:24.000 Why is academia so rotten? 0.69

00:09:25.000 Because they hired only people who filled a racial checkbox instead of the best scholars. 0.91

00:09:30.000 Over and over, they do that.

00:09:31.000 And I'm sure our viewers, our listeners, they may have lived this themselves.

00:09:36.000 Or if you're a parent, you may have seen your son struggle through this because he couldn't get a foot in the door anywhere.

00:09:42.000 And it wasn't really his fault.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, and not to mention, we talk about student loans pushing off family formation or whatever, right?

00:09:51.000 Buying a home.

00:09:52.000 Well, if you can't even get into the job market, if you can't start the career to get up to the rungs of power to earn more money, then that's why marriage rates are going to collapse.

00:10:02.000 That's why fertility rates are going to collapse. 0.98

00:10:04.000 I'm sorry, but white men still make up a huge portion of the country. 0.97

00:10:08.000 The line they're using, lost generation.

00:10:09.000 Anthony, one of our listeners' emails, he says, I am a millennial and we're often called a lost generation.

00:10:15.000 Millennials got lost and pushed aside. 0.98

00:10:18.000 That's screwed. 0.98

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00:11:42.000 Compact magazine, anti-white stuff. 0.87

00:11:45.000 I mean, there was this. 0.65

00:11:46.000 And the lost generation.

00:11:47.000 I think that's actually the way we link it with this weed story because Charlie would talk about this.

00:11:54.000 There's this real sense of compared to a lot of drugs, marijuana, whether you support legalizing it or not, there's this big Charlie would talk about this.

00:12:03.000 It's a drug that sort of dulls the ambitions, dulls the mind. 0.91

00:12:08.000 There is for a good reason a strong association between being a really heavy marijuana user and just being kind of a loser.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget when I was going back to my LA days.

00:12:19.000 I remember I met this one guy.

00:12:21.000 Believe it or not, he was a worship leader.

00:12:23.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:24.000 And he was an avid marijuana user, but he was like, if I don't use it, I will get massively depressed.

00:12:29.000 And he acknowledged he had an addiction.

00:12:33.000 He had a problem.

00:12:34.000 I just thought, why would you ever want to be stuck on something that has so much mastery over you?

00:12:41.000 You know, and anyways, but a couple things that we need to sort of establish here.

00:12:46.000 If you find yourself of a certain generation and you still think, you know, weed's fine.

00:12:50.000 It's not the worst thing.

00:12:51.000 Modern weed is not at all what, like, you know, the hippie era weed is.

00:12:55.000 It is.

00:12:55.000 It's stronger stuff.

00:12:56.000 Stronger, way more potent, way more potent.

00:13:01.000 So let's do it this way, actually.

00:13:02.000 I'm going to give Trump some credit here.

00:13:06.000 This is Trump on fentanyl, and he is 1,000% spot on.

00:13:10.000 Play cut 165.

00:13:12.000 Today, I'm taking one more step to protect Americans from the scourge of deadly fentanyl.

00:13:20.000 With this historic executive order, I will sign today.

00:13:23.000 We're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, which is what it is.

00:13:30.000 No bomb does what this is doing.

00:13:33.000 200 to 300,000 people die every year that we know of.

00:13:39.000 So we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.

00:13:45.000 Weapon of, I mean, listen, that's a funny classification.

00:13:48.000 It's a funny classification, but candidly, you know, and we used to talk about this with Charlie all the time.

00:13:53.000 The drug epidemic kills more people than Ukraine or kills more Americans than, you know, basically anybody.

00:14:00.000 Well, I'm just thinking about how that classification, I have to imagine that means if you're transporting like fentanyl ingredients, they can just throw you in prison for life or bomb your boat.

00:14:09.000 Yeah, because attempting to make weapons of mass destruction is a super duper federal terrorism challenge.

00:14:14.000 Yeah, but here's the other side of the drug news today, which is interesting.

00:14:19.000 We have so much drug news.

00:14:21.000 CNN says that President Trump is considering, well, changing the classification of weed, I think is the right way to say it.

00:14:29.000 Some are saying legalize marijuana.

00:14:31.000 I'm not sure exactly.

00:14:32.000 He said himself he's considering.

00:14:34.000 He was asked in the Oval Office recently.

00:14:35.000 He's saying we're considering it, and it would be a reclassification from Schedule 1, I believe, to Schedule 3.

00:14:42.000 Schedule 1 is sort of the most restricted, most controlled drugs, the other stuff on it.

00:14:48.000 There's stuff like heroin, meth, those are Schedule 1 drugs.

00:14:52.000 Schedule 3 in comparison is ketamine, steroids, testosterone.

00:14:57.000 Funny would say ketamine.

00:14:58.000 It's on the list in the hills.

00:15:00.000 In the hills already.

00:15:00.000 We'll get to that with the Susie Wild story next segment.

00:15:03.000 But Charlie thought a lot about this, and it was one of the controversial things.

00:15:06.000 He said at least once, multiple times, I think, that this is one of his positions that got him the most pushback on campuses as much more than his abortion views, which is he just opposed legalizing weed.

00:15:18.000 A lot of young people really like it.

00:15:21.000 But I think, I do at the same time, I think the tide is shifting a bit.

00:15:25.000 I think we probably reached peak marijuana enthusiasm.

00:15:28.000 We had that win in Florida.

00:15:29.000 That was good.

00:15:30.000 Let's play the clip here.

00:15:31.000 182.

00:15:32.000 This is from CNN.

00:15:33.000 The president could use, in fact, against his Democratic opposition and say, hey, you know what?

00:15:38.000 Democrats have talked the talk, but I'm actually going to walk the walk when it comes to legalizing marijuana.

00:15:44.000 Okay, so what are the prediction markets saying about the chances then here?

00:15:47.000 Yeah, okay.

00:15:47.000 So what's the chance that this actually happens?

00:15:49.000 I think there's a pretty gosh darn good chance it's going to happen, at least according to the prediction markets.

00:15:53.000 So the chance that the U.S. reschedules marijuana before the end of Trump's term, look at this, 88%.

00:15:59.000 You know, it's funny because you see 72% of young people approve of it.

00:16:03.000 Maybe they do, but I just, I hope it changes because you can smell it here in Phoenix.

00:16:08.000 You can smell it a ton if you're in D.C.

00:16:11.000 It's really disgusting to me.

00:16:12.000 It's a big driver of making public places feel dirtier.

00:16:16.000 It's a much more rank smell than even cigarette smoke was in the past.

00:16:21.000 I think Charlie had very good reason to dislike it.

00:16:26.000 So I'm hopeful they don't reclassify it.

00:16:28.000 We have a clip from Charlie that I wish we could have got to, but it's, listen, I think the prediction markets are probably right.

00:16:35.000 Trump's seeing a political opportunity.

00:16:38.000 But listen, sometimes we disagree with the president.

00:16:40.000 I remember Charlie was actually asked by our next guest, Mark Calburn, what do you disagree with on the president?

00:16:45.000 And he said weed.

00:16:46.000 Yeah, we'd say one.

00:16:47.000 You know, listen, we still disagree. 0.99

00:16:50.000 I think it's a loser drug.

00:16:52.000 I get it why people try and bend their rationale to make it something less than that. 0.92

00:16:57.000 I'm telling you, modern weed, especially when you take it young, could really cause mental illness.

00:17:02.000 It's a drug you could argue.

00:17:03.000 Legalize it if you're after 30 or something, because it really cooks a developing system.

00:17:07.000 Yes, it does.

00:17:08.000 And so do not take it lightly.

00:17:10.000 We're also going to have a debate on weed.

00:17:12.000 I'm going to be moderating it at Amfest.

00:17:15.000 So Alex Berenson and the editor-in-chief of Reason, I believe. 0.95

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00:18:36.000 All right, let's play this weed clip from Charlie.

00:18:40.000 I wanted to play it earlier.

00:18:41.000 193.

00:18:41.000 We didn't get to it.

00:18:42.000 Now let's talk about the youth side of it.

00:18:44.000 This is a very important thing because you might say, but Charlie, if we legalize it, it's all just going to be parents that have to just parent their kids.

00:18:53.000 Who are you to say that if an adult wants to just be able to get high, they should not be able to get high?

00:19:00.000 That sounds good.

00:19:02.000 That is an oversimplification of the society we are living in.

00:19:06.000 Firstly, in legalized states, the perception of marijuana's harm among teenagers fell by over 20% in 10 years from the monitoring the future survey, making early initiation more likely.

00:19:20.000 How about traffic deaths?

00:19:21.000 After Colorado legalized, marijuana-related traffic fatalities rose 151% between 2013 and 2020.

00:19:29.000 Let's do 194 as well.

00:19:31.000 Heavy weed users are 60% more likely to miss work, 75% more likely to show poor job performance, according to the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.

00:19:42.000 So let me put pause. 1.00

00:19:43.000 If we want to defeat the Chinese, is more drug use better or worse? 1.00

00:19:48.000 If we want to go to Mars, if we want to build great things, if we want to start new companies, if more employees are using weed, does that make us stronger or weaker? 1.00

00:19:58.000 I'm with Charlie on all this.

00:20:00.000 I am.

00:20:01.000 He really was.

00:20:02.000 He was upgrading his message on that more and more.

00:20:04.000 You got to understand, it's like our whole society, the structures that keep it up, the institutions, the morals, the values, as you keep whittling away at these things, even if it's on the edges, eventually that gets to the core.

00:20:17.000 And we're seeing that across all of our culture.

00:20:20.000 Think about what we talked about at the start with that article, all the young men just being excluded from every career.

00:20:26.000 And our fix is, okay, well, you can now have legal weed and legal gambling and legal every other addiction ever.

00:20:34.000 And just stay doped up.

00:20:35.000 Don't care that much.

00:20:36.000 Please don't overthrow.

00:20:37.000 Play video games, get high, vape, and gamble all your money away that you don't have because you don't have a job.

00:20:43.000 Sounds like a good recipe for success.

00:20:45.000 192.

00:20:46.000 Yeah, 192.

00:20:48.000 192 play.

00:20:49.000 By the way, the studies are incredible.

00:20:50.000 Heavy marijuana use is linked to five times higher risk of psychosis in young adults from the Lancent Psychiatry 2019.

00:20:57.000 Colorado ER visits for cannabis-induced psychosis tripled right after legalization.

00:21:02.000 And by the way, there's another study, in addition to the one that Blake sent me, of an average drop of eight IQ points by the Dundanen study in PNAS 2012.

00:21:12.000 See, I miss that.

00:21:13.000 You're just feeding Charlie's studies throughout the...

00:21:16.000 Blake, get me stuff on weed.

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:18.000 Get him stuff on weed and you just start rattling it off on air.

00:21:21.000 Exactly.

00:21:22.000 I mean, I just completely agree.

00:21:24.000 Now, so let's just be very clear about what is actually, you know, so what's happening here.

00:21:30.000 President Trump is considering a Medicare pilot program that would provide some seniors access to CBD, okay?

00:21:36.000 And reclassifying marijuana as a Schedule III would ease tax burdens, banking limits, research barriers, and it could attract institutional pharmaceutical investors.

00:21:46.000 What's wrong with that, Blake?

00:21:48.000 Why?

00:21:48.000 I mean, wouldn't it be good to, you know, by the way, CBD is different than THC.

00:21:53.000 Okay.

00:21:53.000 Can we just how about we do a few emails here?

00:21:56.000 Yeah, let's do a few.

00:21:57.000 What are people thinking about?

00:21:58.000 Missy says, Andrew and Blake, I am so anti-weed.

00:22:02.000 I have watched and I have seen it ruin people's lives.

00:22:05.000 My brother is an avid user who's been using it since elementary school.

00:22:09.000 He suffered mental health problems.

00:22:11.000 He self-medicates with it.

00:22:13.000 It has not served him well.

00:22:14.000 He is violent, paranoid, has continual police contact.

00:22:19.000 As an older man, he has had kids, married the woman after several years, and he lives with them anywhere he is able, which is, they say, campgrounds and motels.

00:22:28.000 He's lost the kids.

00:22:29.000 They've been removed.

00:22:31.000 But the liberal city they live in subsidizes their lifestyle.

00:22:35.000 There's stories like that.

00:22:36.000 They're appalling.

00:22:36.000 Thank you.

00:22:37.000 That's an amazing email.

00:22:38.000 I mean, horrible subject.

00:22:40.000 Yeah, I mean, that is horrible.

00:22:42.000 And by the way, I used to have this pastor that would say, you know, if it wasn't for the Lord, that he'd be divorced, childless, and, you know, drunk on his couch at home or something.

00:22:52.000 I mean, and you do hear these stories where these vices really do grab 100% of somebody's life and they take them down these really destructive paths.

00:23:02.000 There's 100% guarantee to not do that if you just don't even try the drugs in the first place.

00:23:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:09.000 If you don't go down those routes in the first place.

00:23:10.000 So why as a society should we be making it easier for young people to use it?

00:23:15.000 And Charlie even quoted that one study that it was like the perception of the harms of marijuana dropped most legalized.

00:23:22.000 Their first thing they think to on whether something is right or wrong is it's not the Bible.

00:23:27.000 It's not really moral reasoning.

00:23:28.000 It's just what's the law say?

00:23:29.000 Is it illegal?

00:23:30.000 Is it illegal?

00:23:31.000 And that doesn't mean everything we think is wrong should be banned, but it should at least guide our intuitions on that sort of thing.

00:23:38.000 Things that are massively harmful to society, it might be a good idea to sharply restrict or ban them.

00:23:43.000 Yeah, and this is where we have to do our job.

00:23:45.000 I mean, we're not, listen, we're, we're not, there is a, there is a sort of live and let live, uh, I would say, aspect to American life, to the American ethos, you know.

00:23:59.000 We have a counterpoint.

00:24:00.000 Raven says, I'm a 65-year-old grandma with MS. I was prescribed medication that almost killed me.

00:24:06.000 Now I use weed.

00:24:08.000 And prohibition does not work. 1.00

00:24:10.000 My mom uses weed gummies to sleep instead of prescription medication.

00:24:14.000 Maha has us afraid of everything, including Tylenol. 0.94

00:24:17.000 Why do you want to take away our weed?

00:24:19.000 Yeah, I do a counterpoint there.

00:24:21.000 I mean, I'm open-minded to medical for elderly people, you know, glaucoma, whatever, you know, all of these uses.

00:24:28.000 I'm open-minded to it.

00:24:29.000 I'm just saying, when you go on these legalization kicks, the people that are going to get most impacted are young people.

00:24:36.000 It'd be funny if you could just say you have to be over 50 or something.

00:24:40.000 And America's so not used to having laws like that.

00:24:43.000 We're used to just becoming an adult and everything's available.

00:24:46.000 But I think it'd be an interesting thing to consider because I do think the harms are so much greater for young people. 0.80

00:24:51.000 If you're a retiree and you want to get baked, you're not derailing society in the process.

00:24:56.000 Are you, though? 0.80

00:24:57.000 I mean, it's like, honestly, here's my thing.

00:24:59.000 It's like people make this argument.

00:25:01.000 Well, it's not affecting anybody else.

00:25:03.000 I reject that premise completely because once you start removing the stigma from things, once you start legalizing things in a general sense, as you saw from the study, young people start going, oh, it's not bad.

00:25:15.000 I'm going to do it too. 0.86

00:25:15.000 China used to be the world's most powerful country, and they went through their century of humiliations. 0.86

00:25:20.000 You know what drove it? 1.00

00:25:20.000 Drug addiction. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Opium.

00:25:22.000 They all got hooked on opium and they started to recover when they, well, they killed all the opium dealers.

00:25:28.000 Well, that's...

00:25:29.000 I don't think we're ready for that. 1.00

00:25:30.000 Although Trump probably would like to kill all the drug dealers. 0.99

00:25:33.000 So maybe he studies history. 1.00

00:25:35.000 Maybe.

00:25:36.000 Maybe.

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00:26:48.000 Without further ado, host of next up with Mark Halperin is, of course, Mark Halperin.

00:26:53.000 Welcome back, Mark.

00:26:54.000 Good to see you.

00:26:55.000 I know you had some train debacle going on, so I'm glad you're here.

00:26:59.000 You know, it's good to see you.

00:27:00.000 Yeah.

00:27:01.000 I mean, you'd think I would know not to get on the express when I need the local, but yeah, whatever.

00:27:06.000 Anyway, you look glad to be with you, guys.

00:27:09.000 Glad to have you.

00:27:10.000 You look warm.

00:27:10.000 I'm glad I'm in Phoenix right now.

00:27:12.000 Yeah, I was going to say it looks chilly.

00:27:14.000 It's a local.

00:27:16.000 Well, listen.

00:27:16.000 All right.

00:27:17.000 So, Mark, everybody's talking about it.

00:27:19.000 I've gotten blown up by like five or six reporters this morning about what do you make of the Susie thing?

00:27:25.000 And I'm just like, no comment.

00:27:27.000 I don't know.

00:27:27.000 We're going to save that for the show.

00:27:29.000 Mark, what do we make of this?

00:27:30.000 She called JD Vance a conspiracy theorist.

00:27:34.000 She talked about Musk taking drugs.

00:27:36.000 Ketamine, about ketamine user, which I don't think is actually, that's not secret.

00:27:40.000 Called him an odd duck.

00:27:41.000 He's admitted he's taking it.

00:27:43.000 Him continuing to take it is more sort of knew he kept taking it.

00:27:47.000 But I mean, you know, it's just Musk is, it must is an odd duck.

00:27:50.000 What do we make of this?

00:27:51.000 A lot of people say that this is that she was, this is her exit plan.

00:27:56.000 I'm hearing other people say they thought it was for a book interview that was going to, or that was going to come out after the admin.

00:28:01.000 What's the truth?

00:28:02.000 Well, first of all, a normal White House official who said these things would be fired, but instead, you're seeing rallying around Susie.

00:28:11.000 You can go on X and see plenty of people, senators and White House officials saying, you know, we love Susie, echoing her line that this was all a media hit job.

00:28:20.000 And the vice president was asked about it.

00:28:22.000 He was pretty supportive too.

00:28:25.000 My guess, and I don't know this, but my guess just from knowing the two people involved, the guy who was writing it down and the White House chief of staff, is my guess is she thought this stuff was off the record.

00:28:36.000 That would be my guess.

00:28:37.000 And she didn't intend to say it.

00:28:38.000 Now, some of it, as you guys just said, is not super like controversial and some of it's emphatically true, but it's a little bit off key for her to be saying it.

00:28:47.000 She's not someone who seeks the limelight.

00:28:49.000 She's not someone, it's the opposite. 0.99

00:28:51.000 She puts a premium on people getting along.

00:28:53.000 So, like I said, if I had to guess, I guess that she didn't think this stuff was for publication.

00:28:58.000 It was a misunderstanding between her and Chris Whipple.

00:29:01.000 Yeah. 0.85

00:29:01.000 So let's put up 171. 0.85

00:29:03.000 This is her tweet.

00:29:04.000 She says the article published early this morning is a disingenuous framed hit piece on me and the finest president, White House staff, and cabinet in history.

00:29:13.000 Significant content, context was disregarded.

00:29:16.000 And much of what I and others said about the team and the president was left out of the story.

00:29:20.000 So the part that doesn't square with a lot of people, though, Mark, is, and she goes on to praise the Trump administration.

00:29:26.000 The part that I can't square here is that there's this picture of all of them posing.

00:29:34.000 You know, Caroline Levitt is there, right?

00:29:37.000 There's the picture.

00:29:39.000 So obviously this was, you know, they weren't done under this interview was not done under duress or something.

00:29:46.000 So why the picture?

00:29:47.000 Does that, what does that tell you?

00:29:50.000 Do you know who I feel sorry for now?

00:29:52.000 I feel sorry for people only listening to this as a podcast because, man, that's an awesome picture.

00:29:58.000 It is striking.

00:30:00.000 It's like the Avengers meet the West Wing.

00:30:03.000 Look, look, she obviously talked to the guy.

00:30:05.000 It'll be interesting to see if this does escalate.

00:30:08.000 Her claim that the context is missing, if the guy really does have audio tapes of everything, we'll see if the context is missing.

00:30:16.000 The reality is, you guys know how a lot of reporters are.

00:30:19.000 And I'm not accusing Chris Whipple of this because I haven't heard the whole thing, but I've been enjoying interviews with reporters where they'll say, they'll say, like, you know, your colleague, Mr. Jones, what's he like?

00:30:31.000 Oh, he's awesome.

00:30:32.000 What's Mr. Jones like?

00:30:33.000 He's awesome.

00:30:34.000 What's Mr. Jones like?

00:30:34.000 Oh, he's great.

00:30:35.000 What's Mr. Jones like?

00:30:36.000 I really like Mr. Jones.

00:30:38.000 Seriously, a lot of people don't really like Mr. Jones.

00:30:40.000 Are you sure you like Mr. Jones?

00:30:41.000 You say, well, there are some people who don't really like Mr. Jones.

00:30:44.000 And then the story comes out and it says, we asked them and they said there's some people who don't like Mr. Jones.

00:30:51.000 It's like, you know, she could be right.

00:30:53.000 It wouldn't be the first time a reporter took the context away.

00:30:56.000 But let's see if they're audio tapes.

00:30:58.000 But again, it's an interesting story.

00:31:00.000 I know why you guys are talking about it.

00:31:01.000 I talked about it on my show.

00:31:02.000 I'll talk about it on my show later today.

00:31:05.000 But the norm of a situation like this where people would say, is Trump mad at her?

00:31:10.000 Is she going to lose her job? 0.51

00:31:11.000 I just don't think that's even a possibility because of how well-liked Susie is and what a great job the president and other people in the White House think she's doing.

00:31:19.000 So let's see if we're still talking about this tomorrow.

00:31:21.000 Now, if the reporter decides he's got to put out the context, that could keep this thing alive because it's easy.

00:31:28.000 It's very right from the Trump playbook to say hit job, but let's see if it was actually a hit job.

00:31:33.000 Well, one question thought I had is they talk about the prosecutions, sort of the stuff aimed at Comey, at Letitia James, and she talks about that, how she sort of tried to put a 90-day cap, I think is the word in the piece on retaliation type stuff, but that he's going to keep doing it.

00:31:54.000 Could that lead to judges citing this interview to justify throwing out charges?

00:31:59.000 And I could see that being a way this would turn the president against Susie if he sees her as derailing something he really wants to get done.

00:32:08.000 Yeah, I mean, theoretically, I agree with you.

00:32:11.000 I don't know that it would be admissible, and I don't know that that would turn the president against Susie.

00:32:16.000 One of the things that this will put in sharp relief for some is amongst the many things Susie has done in this job that's really well served the president is she has constrained it.

00:32:26.000 When people say in my business and Democrats say, you know, Trump just says, yes, people are at him, unlike in the first terms.

00:32:34.000 Well, the fact is he had people around him the first term who disagreed with him, but they did it ineffectively.

00:32:39.000 People like the Secretary of State Rick Stillerson would disagree with Trump, but he wouldn't get his way.

00:32:43.000 Trump would just, President Trump would do what he wanted to do. 0.52

00:32:46.000 One of the undertold stories is when Susie Wiles sees a problem, or others do, she's good at talking to the president and trying to restrain him.

00:32:54.000 So if she restrains some in this area, some things, and the articles suggest she did, probably in the president's interest.

00:33:01.000 And even the president may well be grateful because he knows sometimes he does go too far.

00:33:07.000 Yeah, that's the reveal is that this is the restrained Trump.

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 So I got to play this clip here, Mark, because JD got asked about it.

00:33:17.000 He had a big event this morning, and I thought he did a brilliant job here.

00:33:22.000 195.

00:33:23.000 Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true.

00:33:34.000 And by the way, Susie and I have joked in private and in public about that for a long time.

00:33:39.000 For example, I believed in the crazy conspiracy theory back in 2020 that it was stupid to mask three-year-olds at the height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let them develop some language skills.

00:33:53.000 You know, I believed in this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly unable to do the job.

00:34:04.000 I mean, if all we get out of this ultimately is another rendition of JD Vance's political talents, then, you know, so be it.

00:34:12.000 But that is a fun way to take it.

00:34:16.000 And you're right.

00:34:17.000 It's almost like what you're not hearing is the actual insight here.

00:34:21.000 You're not hearing backbiting.

00:34:23.000 You're not hearing people going for Susie.

00:34:26.000 But you've heard these rumors too, Mark, that Susie was going to be out at the end of the year, that Trump had soured.

00:34:31.000 Do you believe there's any truth to that?

00:34:33.000 I don't.

00:34:34.000 First of all, in terms of JD Vance's greatest pivot since Bob Lanier, just move right away from trouble.

00:34:40.000 I don't believe that's the case.

00:34:43.000 Based on everything I know, people are very pleased with her.

00:34:46.000 And it's hard to do that job for any president, but particularly for this president with a very strong-willed vice president, strong-willed cabinet, a lot of high-wire act operations.

00:34:56.000 As far as I know, she's been in very good stead and good standing and very committed to MAGA and the agenda.

00:35:02.000 You saw her the other day in a rare interview that she also did.

00:35:05.000 She said, you know, she hadn't told the president yet, but he's going to be out there doing stuff.

00:35:08.000 And Susie's one of the few people who's ever been involved in Trump world for the last decade who really has the confidence to tell the president when she thinks he's off faith.

00:35:18.000 And like I said, I think he values that.

00:35:20.000 I don't know what he'll think of this interview, but if the vice president is any indication, she ain't going anywhere.

00:35:25.000 They're just going to joke about it, blame the media, and move on.

00:35:28.000 I've got to ask you about this Brown University story, Mark.

00:35:33.000 I saw some video of you circulating yesterday where you said that the parents had been informed that it perhaps could have been a targeted hit on Ella Cook, obviously the vice president of the Brown University Republican Club.

00:35:47.000 What can you tell us about this?

00:35:48.000 Well, just to correct you a little bit, I didn't say the parents had been informed.

00:35:51.000 I said I'd been told by people that they had been.

00:35:53.000 I've not talked to the parents.

00:35:55.000 I've not talked to law enforcement.

00:35:56.000 So I don't want to spread anything that's false.

00:36:00.000 I don't want to be involved in it because this is what I can say: a couple of things.

00:36:06.000 First of all, imagine that this shooting occurred on a southern conservative campus.

00:36:11.000 And imagine one of the two people killed was the vice president of the Democrats College Republic Democrats.

00:36:17.000 Imagine what the media would be saying.

00:36:20.000 And if law enforcement in a conservative town had done a very bumbling job in the investigation, imagine what people would be saying, okay?

00:36:27.000 That's number one.

00:36:28.000 Number two, there are some peculiar things here, besides the fact that law enforcement seems to have done a kind of a bad job so far.

00:36:36.000 Most of these killers keep firing until they kill themselves or they're shot by law enforcement or captured.

00:36:44.000 They're rare that they kill and then leave.

00:36:46.000 This doesn't happen that often, right?

00:36:49.000 If it's not targeted.

00:36:52.000 And like I said, three separate sources asserted to me that the family had been told this.

00:36:58.000 I just don't know if it's true.

00:36:59.000 I just know that in the absence of clarity of why this person is still at large and why they left after killing two people, one of which was this young woman, in the absence of clarity, it's notable that on a very liberal campus, you had a very visible conservative.

00:37:16.000 So I just think it's something people, in the absence of clarity, something we should consider.

00:37:20.000 Because imagine if that's true.

00:37:22.000 That's a very significant and big story.

00:37:24.000 It's a huge story.

00:37:26.000 And, you know, our thoughts and prayers are literally with Ella Cook's family.

00:37:30.000 It's just terrible.

00:37:31.000 It hits close to home, as you can imagine, Mark.

00:37:33.000 Of course.

00:37:34.000 Of course.

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:35.000 And you mentioned the bumbling investigation.

00:37:37.000 I mean, you got 800 cameras on that campus.

00:37:39.000 And I'm told that this particular building was on the edge of campus.

00:37:42.000 So that's why they're relying on ring cameras.

00:37:44.000 But either way, it's shocking that we don't have a suspect for something this high profile.

00:37:49.000 Mark Halfin, thank you for making the time.

00:37:51.000 I'm going to let you get inside, sir.

00:37:52.000 Good to see you, gentlemen.

00:37:53.000 Happy holidays.

00:37:54.000 Merry Christmas.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 16, 2025

Wiles's Wild Interview + The Millennial “Lost Generation”

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