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00:01:09.000All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000Andrew Colvett in today, joined by Blake Neff in the other seat.
00:01:58.000I was hoping I was going to get a lot of sleep last night, Blake, and for some reason, like, I woke up at four and I tried to go back to sleep.
00:02:30.000And then we're going to have Yael Eckstein to reflect on the Hanukkah massacre in Bondi Beach, Australia, which is still a tragedy we need to make sense of.
00:02:39.000And then we're going to have Kurt Schlichter.
00:03:04.000If you want to throw it up, it'll be a little tease.
00:03:06.000I don't think we're ready to get into it just yet, but 184.
00:03:09.000So it's the, they call it the lost generation.
00:03:12.000It's all about how there's basically been a whole group of millennials that are turning about 40 right now.
00:03:17.000If you are a millennial, if you are a young white millennial male, you've basically gone through, let's just say it, a modern day quasi-Jim Crow in industry after industry where you were systematically excluded and they all got screwed.
00:03:30.000Those are, I mean, I guess Gen Z is who Charlie cared about the most, but so many of the people who were saying are disasters, who haven't married, haven't settled down.
00:03:53.000I mean, we are going to bring Halpert over for the Susie Wiles.
00:03:55.000Yeah, we're talking about Wiles with him.
00:03:57.000But I mean, listen, if you're turning, I would say probably between, if you're between the ages of like 35 and 45, this probably could have affected you, right?
00:06:32.000And what it points out again and again is the boomers and Gen Xers, there's all these older, you know, older white men who actually are already established in fields.
00:08:08.000The Atlantic editorial staff went from 53% white and 80% male and 89% white in 2013 to 36% male and 66% white in 2024.
00:08:20.000Tenure-track faculty at Harvard, 39% white men in the humanities to 18%.
00:08:26.000And when that means is if you're dropping that much and you're not cutting off the people who aren't early, it's that it's a total cutoff at the bottom.
00:08:35.000And so you just took a group, white men, there's still about 25% of young American adults, a little bit more even, 25, 30%.
00:08:44.000And let's be frank, they're a pretty talented 30%.
00:08:47.000They're more likely to complete college, more likely to develop a lot of skills than some other groups that have been favored in America the last decade.
00:08:57.000And yet they're just treated as practical untouchables in a huge number of fields.
00:09:03.000It's totally derailed their lives because if you were subject to this discrimination for the past five years, 10 years, that ruins your career.
00:09:11.000That's the period where you need to get off the ground and you're just stuck in entry-level stuff.
00:09:16.000And on top of that, it fried American meritocracy.
00:09:52.000Well, if you can't even get into the job market, if you can't start the career to get up to the rungs of power to earn more money, then that's why marriage rates are going to collapse.
00:10:02.000That's why fertility rates are going to collapse.
00:10:04.000I'm sorry, but white men still make up a huge portion of the country.
00:10:08.000The line they're using, lost generation.
00:10:09.000Anthony, one of our listeners' emails, he says, I am a millennial and we're often called a lost generation.
00:10:15.000Millennials got lost and pushed aside.
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00:11:47.000I think that's actually the way we link it with this weed story because Charlie would talk about this.
00:11:54.000There's this real sense of compared to a lot of drugs, marijuana, whether you support legalizing it or not, there's this big Charlie would talk about this.
00:12:03.000It's a drug that sort of dulls the ambitions, dulls the mind.
00:12:08.000There is for a good reason a strong association between being a really heavy marijuana user and just being kind of a loser.
00:12:15.000Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget when I was going back to my LA days.
00:13:33.000200 to 300,000 people die every year that we know of.
00:13:39.000So we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
00:13:45.000Weapon of, I mean, listen, that's a funny classification.
00:13:48.000It's a funny classification, but candidly, you know, and we used to talk about this with Charlie all the time.
00:13:53.000The drug epidemic kills more people than Ukraine or kills more Americans than, you know, basically anybody.
00:14:00.000Well, I'm just thinking about how that classification, I have to imagine that means if you're transporting like fentanyl ingredients, they can just throw you in prison for life or bomb your boat.
00:14:09.000Yeah, because attempting to make weapons of mass destruction is a super duper federal terrorism challenge.
00:14:14.000Yeah, but here's the other side of the drug news today, which is interesting.
00:15:00.000We'll get to that with the Susie Wild story next segment.
00:15:03.000But Charlie thought a lot about this, and it was one of the controversial things.
00:15:06.000He said at least once, multiple times, I think, that this is one of his positions that got him the most pushback on campuses as much more than his abortion views, which is he just opposed legalizing weed.
00:17:10.000We're also going to have a debate on weed.
00:17:12.000I'm going to be moderating it at Amfest.
00:17:15.000So Alex Berenson and the editor-in-chief of Reason, I believe.
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00:18:42.000Now let's talk about the youth side of it.
00:18:44.000This is a very important thing because you might say, but Charlie, if we legalize it, it's all just going to be parents that have to just parent their kids.
00:18:53.000Who are you to say that if an adult wants to just be able to get high, they should not be able to get high?
00:19:02.000That is an oversimplification of the society we are living in.
00:19:06.000Firstly, in legalized states, the perception of marijuana's harm among teenagers fell by over 20% in 10 years from the monitoring the future survey, making early initiation more likely.
00:19:31.000Heavy weed users are 60% more likely to miss work, 75% more likely to show poor job performance, according to the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
00:19:43.000If we want to defeat the Chinese, is more drug use better or worse?
00:19:48.000If we want to go to Mars, if we want to build great things, if we want to start new companies, if more employees are using weed, does that make us stronger or weaker?
00:20:02.000He was upgrading his message on that more and more.
00:20:04.000You got to understand, it's like our whole society, the structures that keep it up, the institutions, the morals, the values, as you keep whittling away at these things, even if it's on the edges, eventually that gets to the core.
00:20:17.000And we're seeing that across all of our culture.
00:20:20.000Think about what we talked about at the start with that article, all the young men just being excluded from every career.
00:20:26.000And our fix is, okay, well, you can now have legal weed and legal gambling and legal every other addiction ever.
00:20:49.000By the way, the studies are incredible.
00:20:50.000Heavy marijuana use is linked to five times higher risk of psychosis in young adults from the Lancent Psychiatry 2019.
00:20:57.000Colorado ER visits for cannabis-induced psychosis tripled right after legalization.
00:21:02.000And by the way, there's another study, in addition to the one that Blake sent me, of an average drop of eight IQ points by the Dundanen study in PNAS 2012.
00:21:24.000Now, so let's just be very clear about what is actually, you know, so what's happening here.
00:21:30.000President Trump is considering a Medicare pilot program that would provide some seniors access to CBD, okay?
00:21:36.000And reclassifying marijuana as a Schedule III would ease tax burdens, banking limits, research barriers, and it could attract institutional pharmaceutical investors.
00:22:14.000He is violent, paranoid, has continual police contact.
00:22:19.000As an older man, he has had kids, married the woman after several years, and he lives with them anywhere he is able, which is, they say, campgrounds and motels.
00:22:42.000And by the way, I used to have this pastor that would say, you know, if it wasn't for the Lord, that he'd be divorced, childless, and, you know, drunk on his couch at home or something.
00:22:52.000I mean, and you do hear these stories where these vices really do grab 100% of somebody's life and they take them down these really destructive paths.
00:23:02.000There's 100% guarantee to not do that if you just don't even try the drugs in the first place.
00:23:31.000And that doesn't mean everything we think is wrong should be banned, but it should at least guide our intuitions on that sort of thing.
00:23:38.000Things that are massively harmful to society, it might be a good idea to sharply restrict or ban them.
00:23:43.000Yeah, and this is where we have to do our job.
00:23:45.000I mean, we're not, listen, we're, we're not, there is a, there is a sort of live and let live, uh, I would say, aspect to American life, to the American ethos, you know.
00:25:01.000Well, it's not affecting anybody else.
00:25:03.000I reject that premise completely because once you start removing the stigma from things, once you start legalizing things in a general sense, as you saw from the study, young people start going, oh, it's not bad.
00:28:02.000Well, first of all, a normal White House official who said these things would be fired, but instead, you're seeing rallying around Susie.
00:28:11.000You can go on X and see plenty of people, senators and White House officials saying, you know, we love Susie, echoing her line that this was all a media hit job.
00:28:20.000And the vice president was asked about it.
00:28:25.000My guess, and I don't know this, but my guess just from knowing the two people involved, the guy who was writing it down and the White House chief of staff, is my guess is she thought this stuff was off the record.
00:28:38.000Now, some of it, as you guys just said, is not super like controversial and some of it's emphatically true, but it's a little bit off key for her to be saying it.
00:28:47.000She's not someone who seeks the limelight.
00:29:04.000She says the article published early this morning is a disingenuous framed hit piece on me and the finest president, White House staff, and cabinet in history.
00:29:13.000Significant content, context was disregarded.
00:29:16.000And much of what I and others said about the team and the president was left out of the story.
00:29:20.000So the part that doesn't square with a lot of people, though, Mark, is, and she goes on to praise the Trump administration.
00:29:26.000The part that I can't square here is that there's this picture of all of them posing.
00:29:34.000You know, Caroline Levitt is there, right?
00:30:00.000It's like the Avengers meet the West Wing.
00:30:03.000Look, look, she obviously talked to the guy.
00:30:05.000It'll be interesting to see if this does escalate.
00:30:08.000Her claim that the context is missing, if the guy really does have audio tapes of everything, we'll see if the context is missing.
00:30:16.000The reality is, you guys know how a lot of reporters are.
00:30:19.000And I'm not accusing Chris Whipple of this because I haven't heard the whole thing, but I've been enjoying interviews with reporters where they'll say, they'll say, like, you know, your colleague, Mr. Jones, what's he like?
00:31:11.000I just don't think that's even a possibility because of how well-liked Susie is and what a great job the president and other people in the White House think she's doing.
00:31:19.000So let's see if we're still talking about this tomorrow.
00:31:21.000Now, if the reporter decides he's got to put out the context, that could keep this thing alive because it's easy.
00:31:28.000It's very right from the Trump playbook to say hit job, but let's see if it was actually a hit job.
00:31:33.000Well, one question thought I had is they talk about the prosecutions, sort of the stuff aimed at Comey, at Letitia James, and she talks about that, how she sort of tried to put a 90-day cap, I think is the word in the piece on retaliation type stuff, but that he's going to keep doing it.
00:31:54.000Could that lead to judges citing this interview to justify throwing out charges?
00:31:59.000And I could see that being a way this would turn the president against Susie if he sees her as derailing something he really wants to get done.
00:32:08.000Yeah, I mean, theoretically, I agree with you.
00:32:11.000I don't know that it would be admissible, and I don't know that that would turn the president against Susie.
00:32:16.000One of the things that this will put in sharp relief for some is amongst the many things Susie has done in this job that's really well served the president is she has constrained it.
00:32:26.000When people say in my business and Democrats say, you know, Trump just says, yes, people are at him, unlike in the first terms.
00:32:34.000Well, the fact is he had people around him the first term who disagreed with him, but they did it ineffectively.
00:32:39.000People like the Secretary of State Rick Stillerson would disagree with Trump, but he wouldn't get his way.
00:32:43.000Trump would just, President Trump would do what he wanted to do.
00:32:46.000One of the undertold stories is when Susie Wiles sees a problem, or others do, she's good at talking to the president and trying to restrain him.
00:32:54.000So if she restrains some in this area, some things, and the articles suggest she did, probably in the president's interest.
00:33:01.000And even the president may well be grateful because he knows sometimes he does go too far.
00:33:07.000Yeah, that's the reveal is that this is the restrained Trump.
00:33:23.000Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true.
00:33:34.000And by the way, Susie and I have joked in private and in public about that for a long time.
00:33:39.000For example, I believed in the crazy conspiracy theory back in 2020 that it was stupid to mask three-year-olds at the height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let them develop some language skills.
00:33:53.000You know, I believed in this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly unable to do the job.
00:34:04.000I mean, if all we get out of this ultimately is another rendition of JD Vance's political talents, then, you know, so be it.
00:34:43.000Based on everything I know, people are very pleased with her.
00:34:46.000And it's hard to do that job for any president, but particularly for this president with a very strong-willed vice president, strong-willed cabinet, a lot of high-wire act operations.
00:34:56.000As far as I know, she's been in very good stead and good standing and very committed to MAGA and the agenda.
00:35:02.000You saw her the other day in a rare interview that she also did.
00:35:05.000She said, you know, she hadn't told the president yet, but he's going to be out there doing stuff.
00:35:08.000And Susie's one of the few people who's ever been involved in Trump world for the last decade who really has the confidence to tell the president when she thinks he's off faith.
00:35:18.000And like I said, I think he values that.
00:35:20.000I don't know what he'll think of this interview, but if the vice president is any indication, she ain't going anywhere.
00:35:25.000They're just going to joke about it, blame the media, and move on.
00:35:28.000I've got to ask you about this Brown University story, Mark.
00:35:33.000I saw some video of you circulating yesterday where you said that the parents had been informed that it perhaps could have been a targeted hit on Ella Cook, obviously the vice president of the Brown University Republican Club.
00:35:56.000So I don't want to spread anything that's false.
00:36:00.000I don't want to be involved in it because this is what I can say: a couple of things.
00:36:06.000First of all, imagine that this shooting occurred on a southern conservative campus.
00:36:11.000And imagine one of the two people killed was the vice president of the Democrats College Republic Democrats.
00:36:17.000Imagine what the media would be saying.
00:36:20.000And if law enforcement in a conservative town had done a very bumbling job in the investigation, imagine what people would be saying, okay?
00:36:59.000I just know that in the absence of clarity of why this person is still at large and why they left after killing two people, one of which was this young woman, in the absence of clarity, it's notable that on a very liberal campus, you had a very visible conservative.
00:37:16.000So I just think it's something people, in the absence of clarity, something we should consider.