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00:01:56.000So much is going on this morning, and to help us navigate it, I just thought, you know, what the heck, let's bring Libby Evans in, Editor-in-Chief of the Postmillennial and also Editor-in-Chief of Human Events.
00:02:33.000There is a lot of controversy around still, in this post-debate fallout, it feels like the story is
00:02:40.000actually gaining more traction right now.
00:02:43.000Now, I want to address something that some of our audience has probably seen.
00:02:46.000There's a post on TwitterX about somebody signing an affidavit alleging that ABC did all of these untoward things and that they had it pre-rigged, etc.
00:03:03.000We don't know what happened with ABC, if this was just the host expressing their bias in real time, or if this was a pre-planned setup rigging the debate.
00:03:13.000That being said, We do have now Mark Penn, who was a former top Clinton advisor, who has gone on the record saying he wants an investigation because this was so overboard.
00:03:27.000The fact-checking was so one-sided that something is untoward.
00:03:31.000So Libby, I'm going to play this cut from Mark Penn.
00:03:34.000I'm going to get your reaction on the other side.
00:03:38.000When the refs put their finger on the scale, you've got to throw out the score of the game.
00:03:43.000What would have happened in that debate had they challenged Harris and said, you know, that's not right what you said there about Charlottesville?
00:03:50.000We don't know how she would have reacted.
00:03:53.000And then Trump wouldn't have had to spend all his time on the debate.
00:03:56.000I think they did a real disservice to the voters of America when they did that.
00:04:00.000And they put in jeopardy the institutions of debate.
00:04:03.000So this is not some anon account on social media.
00:04:08.000This is a former Clinton advisor who's going on the record saying this was an egregious demonstration of media bias in real time on probably the most important stage in the country in the entire election.
00:04:23.000Libby, give us your take as a journalist, as somebody who's watching this live.
00:04:32.000I do think that there was bias in the debate on behalf, um, by the moderators.
00:04:36.000I think that was pretty clear the way that they fact checked Trump falsely and then did not fact check Kamala Harris, even as she spread rumor and gossip that has been debunked repeatedly, such as the lies about Charlottesville and the lies about Trump saying they're calling for a bloodbath after the election.
00:05:06.000We know that the head of ABC is actually one of Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff's best friends.
00:05:11.000This is a woman who actually introduced them on a date years ago that led to their marriage some 10 years ago.
00:05:18.000It's a very good friend of the family.
00:05:20.000We know that Lindsey Davis, one of the moderators, is a sorority sister in the same sorority where Kamala Harris is a sorority sister and she has spoken Kamala Harris at many of these sorority engagements including one recently where she decided not to attend the congressional address by Benjamin Netanyahu and then decided instead to hang out with her sorority sisters and give a speech to them.
00:05:45.000So those are a couple of things that just off the top are already concerning Kamala Harris and her campaign have declined to Attend a debate hosted by Fox.
00:05:56.000There was even one scheduled and we saw Donald Trump have a town hall during that event instead because Kamala Harris refused to show up.
00:06:05.000Why is it that she feels entitled to not show up on a network where she thinks she might get some potentially difficult questions and she only will appear on ones where she's super tight with the people who are handling it?
00:06:17.000We saw this with Dana Bash as well at CNN during the one interview.
00:06:21.000And I think that it's also fair to say that we're going to get one interview and one debate, and that's it before the American people have to make a decision about who should lead the country.
00:06:31.000Yeah, I mean, you mentioned Dana Walden.
00:06:36.000This is basically Kamala's best friend.
00:06:55.000Yeah, so it is very telling, as you said, Libby, that this would be the one opportunity that we
00:07:00.000get, the one interview, or rather the debate that she was willing to do with President Trump.
00:07:06.000Now she's coming out saying she wants to do another. Trump has said he's not going to do it,
00:07:11.000and the Harris campaign is turning this into a, look, we won, we beat him so bad,
00:07:17.000he doesn't want to do this again. And Trump's saying, listen, we won that debate. Trump's
00:07:24.000doing his spin, she's doing her spin. But it is interesting, and I covered this actually a couple
00:07:28.000of days ago in the day after the debate, that the undecideds do seem to be going in Trump's direction.
00:07:35.000A lot of the the analysis seems to be Kamala won the debate, but she was ineffective at convincing anybody that she should be president, which is a very interesting dynamic.
00:07:46.000And she certainly had some great vibe out there.
00:07:49.000And we know that that is the key component of her campaign is the feels and the vibe and the euphoria.
00:07:55.000She had some great little smirking smiles that she delivered.
00:07:59.000And she very clearly seemed confident and on top of her game.
00:08:02.000The only place where she really faltered was that she didn't have any actual answers to any of the questions that she was asked.
00:08:10.000And this was sort of a problem if you were to, perhaps, read the transcript as opposed to listening to the debate itself.
00:08:19.000The Kamala campaign, her and Tim Waltz and, you know, whoever else is actually pulling the strings there, they are really, really good at appearances.
00:08:27.000She comes out wearing, you know, some Converse All-Stars.
00:08:37.000I don't think they're better than Trump's dance moves, however.
00:08:40.000But this is what that campaign is all about.
00:08:44.000And that's why when you have interviews, little man-on-the-street things, where somebody will walk up and say, hey, why do you support Kamala Harris?
00:08:51.000There was one the other day, offhand, I don't remember who put it up on Twitter, but the interviewer says, why do you support Kamala Harris?
00:08:58.000And the young lady says, you know, she mugs for the camera and then she says, because she's Brat.
00:09:04.000And then she describes what Brat is, essentially a party girl who's having a great time.
00:09:09.000And when asked about her policies, she cannot name a single one.
00:09:14.000So even for the Euphoria fans who are out there vibing on Brat, they don't actually have any answers.
00:09:21.000And they're not listening either to, you know, some of the communist proposals that have come across or noting where Kamala Harris has outright stolen some of Donald Trump's ideas.
00:09:34.000I would recommend to all listeners, That they should read what Kamala Harris says and not listen to what she says.
00:09:40.000Go for the substance, and that's something we can find certainly in the written word if it's there at all.
00:09:45.000Yeah, and I think you're spot on highlighting the lack of substance.
00:09:50.000And actually, Turning Point has done some of these videos, these Man on the Street videos, and Charlie's debated people saying, why do you support Kamala?
00:09:58.000But the lack of substance is a big issue.
00:10:01.000But where we do have substance, and we can actually highlight this in the debate, is that Kamala was not fact-checked in real time. Trump was
00:10:08.000fact-checked five times, often inaccurately, actually, when we dive into it, and Kamala
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00:13:12.000And you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were Very, very clear debunking right there from President Trump.
00:13:23.000And yet, we didn't get to see anything from ABC in that way.
00:13:26.000the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.
00:13:30.000But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?
00:13:36.000Very, very clear debunking right there from President Trump and yet
00:13:41.000we didn't get to see anything from ABC in that way. Libby, your reaction?
00:13:46.000Yeah, I thought that that was particularly egregious, especially the Charlottesville thing
00:13:53.000That Charlottesville event back in 2017, there was a horrible white supremacist thing going on, but the entire thing had begun because there were residents in Charlottesville who did not want Confederate statues to be torn down, and there were activists who were saying that those statues should be torn down.
00:14:11.000And those are the fine people that Donald Trump was talking about.
00:14:14.000The residents who did not want their city statues to be removed and the activists who wanted them to be removed.
00:14:22.000The rest, as he said in detail, which you can go back and listen to those clips if you want to, are where he said, you know, the white supremacists were bad and the violent people on the left were bad.
00:14:45.000And that's what he was talking about there.
00:14:47.000You have the abortion thing, which right after that happened, and he was, you know, fact checked on that.
00:14:54.000Charlie Kirk actually posted a story that I think was from Axios talking about how there were there are eight states in the country that has absolutely no limits on abortion.
00:15:06.000And we see that one of those I think is Minnesota.
00:15:09.000And these are states where You can have abortion at any point during the pregnancy, and all you have to do is say that it's for the life of the mother, by which you mean mental health.
00:15:20.000So this is something also that Chuck Schumer has proposed to be a federal abortion legalization law, and the caveat is that it says, yeah, for the life of the mother.
00:15:41.000There was a story that Andy Noh reported on a couple of years ago, and I was talking to him about it during the debate when this all came up.
00:15:50.000And there was an Antifa activist in Portland who bragged about having an abortion in the seventh month, which is just entirely unconscionable and is not something that anyone should consider even remotely.
00:16:04.000Worthy of humanity to do something like that.
00:16:07.000Yeah, well, it's even worse than that.
00:16:08.000I mean, Tim Walz got rid of a reporting requirement when a baby survived an abortion, a botched abortion.
00:16:15.000So you don't even need to report that now, according to Tim Walz, his own state, Minnesota.
00:16:20.000And so, you know, all of these things are in the public domain and yet ABC couldn't be bothered.
00:16:25.000But Libby, you've written a great piece for Human Events.
00:16:28.000You're saying that we've all known a bully like Kamala Harris.
00:16:45.000There were these horrible girls and they would walk around and they would laugh and they would look at you like you were beneath them and they would push past you in the hall and ignore you and cut in the lunch line.
00:16:55.000And Kamala Harris seems just like that.
00:16:59.000And so I tracked through that in my article this morning in my column.
00:17:03.000Talking about the different ways that she and the way that she behaves resembles those bullies from my past.
00:17:11.000Well, so Libby, this is a very interesting dynamic because we heard this with Hillary Clinton, that she was treated unfairly because she's a woman and she was either being too firm or not firm enough, and that women struggle to navigate this.
00:17:24.000There's a bunch of this going around online.
00:18:13.000And we have a lot of writers who can discuss that at length from the days of yore.
00:18:18.000But I think that that has pretty much gone.
00:18:21.000We now are seeing our second highly contendable presidential candidate who is female.
00:18:30.000We had Hillary Clinton Now we have Kamala Harris.
00:18:33.000I do think that the American people are perfectly capable of electing a woman for president if they think that she is the best person for the job.
00:18:41.000I don't think that there's a lot of unfair stuff going on with women in politics right now.
00:18:47.000I do think that, you know, there's differences between men and women.
00:18:50.000I don't think there's anything wrong with those differences or with pointing them out.
00:18:53.000I think women and men typically do have different leadership styles and that's okay.
00:18:58.000I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
00:19:01.000But no, I don't think that calling Kamala Harris a bully has anything to do with her being female any more than my writing about it has to do with my being female, which I don't think it really does.
00:19:13.000To a certain extent, you know, both of us being women, we have some understanding about how girls' social groups work.
00:19:21.000That has been well documented in cinema, which I point out in the story.
00:19:26.000You know, I prefer heathers because Shannen Doherty was the ultimate Mean girl, no one can really top her.
00:19:32.000You know, rest in peace, Miss Doherty.
00:19:34.000But yeah, so I don't think it really has to do with her being female.
00:19:37.000I think that she comes off as rude and entitled, and I don't know why anyone would want to have a person like that trying to lead us on the world stage.
00:19:47.000Well, you know, what's also interesting is that she does have this baggage with her staff turnover, right?
00:19:53.000Over 92% of her staff as VP has left, which is an extraordinarily high number.
00:20:00.000And we also have heard rumors about the way when she was attorney general in California, how the staff had to walk by.
00:20:06.000If they were of a certain level, they had to look at the ground, not make eye contact with her.
00:20:11.000And, you know, they had to call her general, which is very interesting.
00:20:55.000No, I think that's wild how she says her values haven't changed.
00:20:58.000When you have other politicians who say stuff like that, I think when Josh Shapiro was perhaps going to be her running mate, there was a lot made of a column that he wrote when he was in college.
00:21:10.000Kamala Harris is trying to pivot away from positions she had You know, four years ago when she was first trying to gain the White House on her own merit and could not, she had 3% of the Democrat vote before she was ousted from that primary process altogether.
00:21:23.000And it's no wonder that she couldn't even tolerate a primary process this time around.
00:21:28.000One thing that I admire about president Trump that I think is a far cry from the way that Kamala Harris behaves is you get the sense.
00:21:36.000And I think you see it when you see Trump in action, he treats everybody the same.
00:21:42.000For the janitor, as he does for the Pope, and that's to say an immense amount of respect.
00:21:47.000He treats everyone with kindness and dignity, and I personally have a lot of respect for that.
00:21:53.000That's not something you see with Kamala Harris, who can't take a reporter's question, who acts like everyone is beneath her and her converse all-stars, which I point out in the piece, and that's what she's about.
00:22:03.000She is an elitist person who believes she is better than everyone else, even as much as perhaps she is insecure, you know?
00:22:10.000We certainly don't need a president with imposter syndrome.
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00:24:43.000And in fact, I was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking.
00:24:51.000Will you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking your first day in office, adding the United States to the list of countries who have banned this devastating practice?
00:25:01.000There's no question I'm in favor of banning fracking.
00:25:03.000I absolutely support, and over the last four years as Vice President, private healthcare options.
00:25:08.000You support the Medicare for All bill, I think initially co-sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders.
00:25:14.000I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance.
00:25:18.000So for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it?
00:25:22.000Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care.
00:25:26.000And you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require.
00:25:35.000Who of us has not had that situation where you've got to wait for approval and the doctor says, well, I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this?
00:25:44.000The United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill, which I supported.
00:25:54.000And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now, over time, trying to do their jobs.
00:26:03.000And I think there's no question that we've got to critically re-examine ICE and its role and the way that it is being administered and the work.
00:26:13.000I know that was a long clip, Libby, but I think it's important for people to see how much of a flip-flopper, lack of moral core, lack of policy core, lack of vision, lack of value core.
00:26:27.000I think that the only reasonable take on that is that she doesn't actually know what she stands for herself.
00:26:33.000Therefore, she could maybe make that And what is your warning to those watching?
00:26:42.000You know, maybe her values haven't changed, Andrew.
00:26:46.000Maybe her value is winning and the attainment of power.
00:26:49.000And maybe that has not changed at all in the past five years.
00:26:53.000And perhaps that's what she means when she says her values haven't changed, because certainly her perspectives on policy positions have changed.
00:27:13.000And even when you dig into, for example, we could just take, for instance, the border bill, right?
00:27:19.000When you look at that border bill, and she says, you know, Trump advised people to reject it based on, you know, his political aspirations.
00:27:28.000If you look at the bill, the bill creates the conditions for more illegal immigrants to come into the country for quicker processing of their claims and their paperwork.
00:27:37.000So that, to me, was the biggest reason that that was not a good bill.
00:27:41.000It had nothing to do with any political ambitions.
00:27:43.000It had to do with national sovereignty.
00:27:46.000I mean, that bill was an absolute dumpster fire.
00:27:50.000Lankford out of Oklahoma, we railed against it at the time.
00:27:53.000We railed against him for being complicit in giving Democrats a barb to throw at Trump, just like she did on an open borders bill, which could have allowed as many as 1.8
00:28:06.000million illegals into the country at any given time per year.
00:28:13.000And it probably would have hamstrung a future Republican president with bad legislation
00:28:18.000that you would have had to repeal in order to get real border security accomplished.
00:28:23.000And by the way, you know, the fact is they repealed everything he did in the border on
00:28:27.000day one, or at least in week one, which is what sparked this crisis.
00:28:31.000Libby, why don't you go ahead and plug your coordinates, let people know how they can follow you and follow your work at Post Millennial and Human Events.
00:28:38.000You can find me on what used to be Twitter at Libby Emmons.
00:28:41.000You can check out what we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com.
00:28:46.000And if you want to hear from me every day, you can check out my newsletter at thepostmillennial.com slash Libby.
00:28:54.000Yeah, and Libby, the post-millennial and human events are so unique in the space.
00:28:58.000Just explain how you guys approach the news and what makes you different than the rest.
00:29:06.000We try to give a fresh perspective that is not the one that you're going to find in legacy media outlets.
00:29:11.000We try to shy away from the language manipulation that's used by the left to confuse people and to convince everyone that they should go along with progressive lives.
00:29:20.000We do that both at the Postmillennial and Human Events.
00:29:54.000You guys have your editorial senses really highly tuned, and so if you consider yourself somebody that's a movement conservative or just a consumer of news more broadly, you guys are very fair.
00:30:04.000You cover both sides, both storylines.
00:30:25.000This is Senator Richard Blumenthal on the investigation into the assassination attempt against Donald Trump's life. 153.
00:30:35.000I think the American people are going to be shocked, astonished, and appalled by what we will report to them about the failures by the Secret Service in this assassination attempt on the former president.
00:30:49.000But I think they also ought to be Appalled and astonished by the failure of the Department of Homeland Security to be more forthcoming, to be as candid and frank as it should be to them in terms of providing information.
00:31:07.000And we are going to absolutely insist on the truth and the whole truth.
00:31:15.000I'm not going to go into what we have learned in specifics.
00:32:01.000I think a lot of us in years to come will remember where we were on July 13th.
00:32:05.000And there has been very little that has come out since that day about what really happened, what was going on, how this was allowed to happen, the motivations of the shooter who has now has been killed himself.
00:32:19.000There's so many tragedies surrounding it.
00:32:21.000A man who was a retired firefighter was also killed in that shooting.
00:32:39.000And speaking of Democrats, one of the key moments, I thought, of the hearing where she testified was when Ro Khanna, a Democrat, said to her, um, you know, remember when Ronald Reagan, there was an assassination attempt on his life.
00:32:52.000Do you know if the secret service director resigned?
00:32:58.000And Kana said, yeah, yeah, he resigned.
00:33:00.000Um, and I thought she's done now she's going to be out, but there still hasn't been a lot revealed about the failures of the secret service.
00:33:08.000There were a lot of warnings going on.
00:33:11.000There were in, in the, uh, you know, hours leading up to it, there was a failure of law enforcement Um, failure of the secret service to confer with law enforcement.
00:33:20.000There were agents who were not normally assigned to, um, Trump's detail who were there that day.
00:33:26.000And, uh, there was a, yeah, there were a lot of failures.
00:33:30.000So I think that, um, whatever comes out in this report, it will be really interesting.
00:33:34.000And in terms of the difference between, you know, Democrats and Republicans, when it comes to something like this, the failures of the secret service, the failures of protection for elected officials.
00:33:43.000That's something that I think it should be and probably is near and dear to the heart of every elected official in Washington, because every one of these men and women relies on Secret Service protection at some point in their careers.
00:33:55.000And certainly many of them aspire to higher offices and would like to know and believe that they will be secure by the agency that is tasked with protecting them.
00:34:06.000Yeah, that's kind of my read on this too, Libby, is that, you know, it seems like You know, consider the source.
00:34:13.000Certainly, there was a lot of suspicion.
00:34:17.000But I do tend to agree with you that at some point there might be a line for most of these people where their conscience and their morality actually kicks in and they say, you know what, this is a bridge too far and we need to keep our politicians safe.
00:34:32.000I have to believe, I have to sort of glass half full this view and not be so cynical.
00:34:39.000I hope that Senator Blumenthal is actually being sincere here and that he's genuinely shocked and appalled
00:34:46.000at what this investigation has uncovered.
00:34:49.000You know, we came two centimeters away from essentially seeing our entire Republic