The Charlie Kirk Show - Will Christians Hand Kamala the White House? ft. George Barna

Turning Point USA President George Barna joins the show to make a chilling prediction about Christians. He argues that Christians are about to hand the White House over to Kamala Harris. Are you willing to hand over the presidency to someone who believes in the medical mutilation of children? That would reverse pro-life laws across the country, that would investigate Christian and Catholic organizations, who would take your guns away, keep the borders open, and we have 320,000 child sex slaves in this country? Listen carefully, and then text it to your friends and do something about it. Get involved with Turning Point USA atTPusa.org/turningpointusa and find out how you can get on the voting rolls and have a voice in the 2020 election. The last push for voter registration has been going on in Arizona, and yesterday was a big day. The last 5 or 6 election cycles in Arizona and albeit across the U.S., Republicans almost always lose last minute voter registration. Why did I bother you guys so much for the last 9 months about voter registration? It s because our voting rolls have not been maintained. That s where all of our energy should be. If you want to make sure that they do not do 2020 all over again, it should all be about challenging the suspicious voter registration individuals on voting rolls, and adding legitimate Trump supporters on the voter rolls. That one-two combo. That's what we are here to do. That is Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold and physical delivery of precious metals. It's where I buy all of my gold. Thats why you can protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments. It s where I bought all of your gold! Go to noblegoldinvestments.com/the_charliekirk Show.co/theCharlieKirkShow/the-show_and_the-gold-investments/nobling_investments_and-the-real-gold_investment_factories/thereal-investing_investing/factories_the_Charlie_kirk_show/the&the_white_kirch_show&the-white_cruncharity.co&thereal_krist_crt=1&qid=3&q&q=3PUSA_cr&q_t=4PUSU&q%3D_crth=8

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody. Some great news out of Arizona.

00:00:02.000 The final push for voter registration.

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00:00:30.000 George Barna also joins the program for a chilling warning about Christians.

00:00:34.000 He argues that Christians are about to hand the White House to Kamala Harris.

00:00:39.000 Listen to this carefully, intently.

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00:01:00.000 Christians are about to hand the White House to Kamala Harris. 0.90

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00:02:16.000 So today we're going to be registering voters on the campus of University of Nevada, Reno.

00:02:20.000 And yesterday was a big day.

00:02:22.000 The last five or six election cycles in Arizona, and albeit across the country, Republicans almost always lose last-minute voter registration.

00:02:34.000 Now, let's take a step back. What is voter registration?

00:02:37.000 Why did I bother you guys so much for the last nine months about voter registration?

00:02:42.000 Voter registration leads to voter rolls.

00:02:45.000 And the original sin of faulty elections is found in our voter rolls.

00:02:50.000 Are you guys upset that people are voting that shouldn't be voting?

00:02:54.000 It's because our voting rolls have not been cleaned.

00:02:58.000 Are you upset there's a lot of people that agree with us that don't vote?

00:03:01.000 It's because they're not on the voting rolls.

00:03:04.000 Are you upset that a lot of people are getting ballots that shouldn't be getting ballots?

00:03:07.000 It's because the voting rolls have not been maintained.

00:03:11.000 Voting rolls, which of course are a byproduct of when people register to vote, is the central

00:03:18.000 infrastructure of any election.

00:03:21.000 It's where all of our energy should be.

00:03:23.000 If you want to clean up our elections, if you want to make sure that they do not do

00:03:27.000 2020 all over again, it should all be about challenging the suspicious voter registration

00:03:33.000 individuals on voting rolls and adding legitimate new Trump supporters on the voting rolls.

00:03:39.000 That one-two combo. Now, Michael Watley and Laura Trump and the RNC, they're doing the list maintenance.

00:03:45.000 We at Turning Point Action have been about addition.

00:03:49.000 So understand that for the last couple of election cycles, Democrats have dominated when it comes to voter registration.

00:03:59.000 Here's how it typically works.

00:04:02.000 Voter registration in the last 30 days before an election is very predictive.

00:04:09.000 Here's how the logic works, and it turns out it has been true the last 20 years.

00:04:14.000 If somebody all of a sudden says, oh my goodness, I gotta go register to vote, That means they're registering to vote with intent.

00:04:22.000 They have a candidate in mind.

00:04:24.000 They want their voice to be heard this election cycle.

00:04:28.000 Someone who registers to vote in the last push has a much, much higher likelihood to vote than someone who even registered to vote back in January.

00:04:38.000 So for example, yesterday in Arizona, when a plumber or a welder or an electrician says, I gotta go register to vote, It's almost like a mini-vote, if you will.

00:04:48.000 It's almost as if they're voting early without actually voting, in the sense that they're showing their hand.

00:04:54.000 The last-minute voter registration push is a prelude.

00:04:59.000 It is a canary in the coal mine.

00:05:01.000 It is a preview.

00:05:02.000 It is a coming attraction of the spirit, the energy, the enthusiasm.

00:05:07.000 It is a sneak peek of what the electorate will look like come into November.

00:05:12.000 Now, mind you, Democrats in the 2022 midterms slaughtered us in last-minute voter registration.

00:05:18.000 Democrats in 2022 dropped a nuclear bomb on us when it came to voter registration.

00:05:24.000 We were so obliterated in 2022 voter registration, it was hard to even keep up.

00:05:30.000 I mean, we were losing on margins 10 to 1 sometimes in voter registration during COVID, during the race riots.

00:05:38.000 What happened yesterday?

00:05:40.000 Well, at Turning Point Action, we deployed our hundreds of full-time people, specifically in Arizona, but also in a national campaign, to make sure that the last-minute push of this voter registration season is not a bloodbath.

00:05:55.000 Now, understand, Democrats are supposed to, in general, have a registration advantage, because people who turned 18 should be way more Democrat.

00:06:03.000 But that advantage is fading.

00:06:06.000 Understand, in the state of Arizona, which of course is our passion, our focus, And, dare I say, our obsession.

00:06:13.000 In the state of Arizona, in 2020, Republicans had more registrations than Democrats by 100,000 voters.

00:06:23.000 100,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats in the state of Arizona in 2020.

00:06:29.000 And that was decreasing and shrinking every month.

00:06:32.000 April, May, June, July, August, September, October.

00:06:36.000 At the very end, Democrats would dump and flood the system with voter registration forms.

00:06:43.000 Yesterday was the last day of voter registration in Maricopa County, which is the only county that we have accurate data from right now.

00:06:50.000 Yesterday, Democrats added 2000 new voters in Maricopa County.

00:06:56.000 Republicans, we added 4000 new voters in Maricopa County.

00:07:02.000 We out-registered them by 2,000 voters in Maricopa County yesterday.

00:07:08.000 In fact, in just Maricopa County alone, not statewide, that does not include Yavapai, Pinal, Yuma, Cochise, La Paz, Mojave.

00:07:21.000 It doesn't include Apache.

00:07:24.000 It doesn't include all of these amazing conservative counties across the state of Arizona.

00:07:30.000 Just in Maricopa County we now have 173,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats in the state of Arizona.

00:07:42.000 173,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats.

00:07:46.000 Remember, voter registration right before an election is a sneak peek.

00:07:51.000 It is a coming attraction.

00:07:52.000 In just Maricopa County alone, we have 73% more increase of registered Republicans than Democrats than we did in the entire state in 2020.

00:08:04.000 And yesterday we saw the Democrats did everything they possibly could to dump forms at the Maricopa County office to try to run up the score.

00:08:14.000 But what we were doing at Turning Point Action and the organic thrust was too much for them.

00:08:19.000 I'm still getting the final reports from Tyler and the Turning Point Action team.

00:08:23.000 But the final reports that we are seeing show that yesterday we were responsible for online and in person 3,000 new Trump voters In Arizona alone.

00:08:34.000 I'm getting that number double and triple checked, but just turning point action.

00:08:38.000 That's 30% of the deficit of what Donald Trump fell short of in 2020 in one day in Maricopa County.

00:08:47.000 But it gets even better than this.

00:08:49.000 It gets even better. Because statewide in Arizona, we're going to tabulate the final numbers.

00:08:55.000 It looks as if we'll land around 300,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats statewide in the state of Arizona.

00:09:05.000 If that ends up being correct, that would be triple the registration net advantage that we had in 2020.

00:09:14.000 Now, by no means does this mean that we are going to win.

00:09:16.000 But this does mean that our likelihood of winning has increased.

00:09:21.000 And even more importantly, the raw material, the infrastructure, the table is set for us to now do the work to win.

00:09:30.000 All this means is that the infrastructure and the terrain to win is more in our favor.

00:09:36.000 That's all this means.

00:09:37.000 It does not mean that Donald Trump's going to win.

00:09:39.000 It does not mean that he's going to win Arizona automatically.

00:09:42.000 What it does is it sets the table now for the greatest ballot blitz in the history

00:09:48.000 of Western civilization.

00:09:49.000 Last-minute voter registration is a little bit of a sneak peek

00:09:53.000 of what is to come.

00:09:54.000 And for the first time in nearly 20 years, we beat the Democrats.

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00:10:54.000 So yeah, I'm just messaging with Tyler here.

00:10:56.000 It looks as if 3,000 new voters for Donald Trump were registered thanks to Turning Point Action yesterday just in the state of Arizona.

00:11:04.000 And yes, there's so much news today, by the way.

00:11:07.000 We have amazing guests.

00:11:08.000 I mean, Kamala Harris is on this press tour.

00:11:12.000 Oh my goodness, there is so much there to get through, and the cuts are remarkable.

00:11:16.000 I just want to say one last thing here, which I think is really important, which is the work that Scott Pressler has been doing, that Turning Point Action has been doing, that Tyler, that Brett, that the entire team, that the entire Turning Point infantry is doing.

00:11:32.000 It doesn't guarantee that we are going to win, but I guarantee you we would have lost if it wasn't for all this grassroots hustle.

00:11:38.000 And it puts us now in a situation where the table is set for us to go take victory, for us to go run through it.

00:11:46.000 Again, we warned you this was World War I trench warfare, that this was going to go, get your shovel, get ready to go dig a trench.

00:11:53.000 That's what this is.

00:11:54.000 Two steps forward, one step back.

00:11:56.000 Three steps forward, four steps back.

00:11:57.000 And we're used to it. And now the table is set.

00:11:59.000 And tomorrow, ballots get sent out in the state of Arizona.

00:12:03.000 Ready, set, go. The voter list is set.

00:12:06.000 And just yesterday, I had the text messages to prove it.

00:12:08.000 I personally registered three people to vote yesterday.

00:12:11.000 I personally, one person came up in the morning, asked for a selfie.

00:12:15.000 He'd registered to vote. Oh, I'm from another state.

00:12:17.000 I don't know if I have an idea. I said, no, no.

00:12:18.000 You can go register to vote in person.

00:12:20.000 Get a utility bill. Get your passport. 0.99

00:12:22.000 Go to this address. And I harassed that person all day long.

00:12:25.000 And to his credit, he went and did it.

00:12:27.000 And also, you remember I told you the story about the guy that refused to vote, the registered vote yesterday?

00:12:31.000 Refused, refused. Got him registered yesterday.

00:12:35.000 After the 24th time of nagging him, he is registered to vote.

00:12:39.000 There's no excuses. And by the way, all of you guys right now in states that still have voter registration, you got to be tenacious.

00:12:45.000 You got to be a little bit disagreeable.

00:12:47.000 Don't take no for an answer.

00:12:49.000 So what's the matter if you're not voting? 0.99

00:12:52.000 What kind of a loser are you? 0.99

00:12:53.000 Register to vote. Take out your phone. 1.00

00:12:55.000 tpaction.com slash vote.

00:12:57.000 Five minutes. Save the Republic. Request a mail-in ballot.

00:12:59.000 Let's go. Let's get our act together here.

00:13:02.000 We have the energy right now.

00:13:04.000 So right now, the voter registration numbers are telling me a story.

00:13:09.000 And then if I build out the formula, I'm starting to see a picture here.

00:13:13.000 Voter registration numbers plus Kamala Harris all over my television.

00:13:17.000 This is a person who we mocked for 40 days that refused to talk to the press.

00:13:23.000 It's because she refused to talk to the press because at the time, her polling looked good, she had tons of money, and she didn't need to talk to the press. 1.00

00:13:29.000 But all of a sudden, you now have the voter registration numbers, which is like a mini poll.

00:13:33.000 It's a sneak preview. It is a coming attraction.

00:13:36.000 It's a harbinger, a canary in the coal mine.

00:13:38.000 And then you have Kamala Harris out there talking to 60 Minutes. 1.00

00:13:42.000 Talking to The View? Talking to The Sex Woman? 1.00

00:13:47.000 The Daddy Podcast? 0.70

00:13:48.000 And what is this all about?

00:13:50.000 This is a campaign that is increasingly not confident.

00:13:55.000 This is a campaign, the Kamala Harris campaign, that is not acting within the parameters of the typical play it safe, put Joe Biden in the basement strategy.

00:14:06.000 No, this is a campaign where they know that if they don't start to play to win, that things

00:14:12.000 are not going to go well for them.

00:14:14.000 They see the voter registration numbers.

00:14:15.000 They see themselves getting slaughtered in the Maricopa County dumps.

00:14:21.000 They see themselves increasingly in Pennsylvania lose every six, all 67 counties and voter

00:14:27.000 registration numbers.

00:14:29.000 So there's so much to play here and so much to go through.

00:14:32.000 It's hard to even grasp all of it.

00:14:34.000 But the one that I want to emphasize is Kamala Harris went on The View.

00:14:38.000 Which, again, I mean, can she do more female-centric media? 1.00

00:14:42.000 I think Kamala Harris' new plan is just go win 70% of women voters. 1.00

00:14:47.000 Now, to be clear, that's not going to happen.

00:14:50.000 Yes, you will get a fair amount of female voters. 1.00

00:14:52.000 You'll win the female vote. But there are millions of patriotic women in this country, moms, grandmothers, and even single women who love the country and they can't stand Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:15:02.000 And they are a lot smarter than I think Kamala Harris gives them credit for.

00:15:06.000 This right here is the one that should be played on repeat.

00:15:09.000 Ryan, every cold open from now to the election, I want this in the cold open.

00:15:14.000 Every cold open.

00:15:15.000 I want this thing on repeat.

00:15:16.000 I want this ingrained into the muscle memory of this audience.

00:15:21.000 Listen to this. This is Kamala Harris telling you.

00:15:24.000 Now, this is one of the dumbest political answers. 0.99

00:15:26.000 This is why they've hit her. This is why they didn't put her out on the tour. 0.96

00:15:30.000 Kamala Harris here doesn't realize 28% of the country Disapproves, doesn't think the country's going the right direction.

00:15:37.000 But she says nothing's going to be different.

00:15:39.000 Play cut 40. Well, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years?

00:15:49.000 There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact.

00:15:58.000 Yikes. You see, this would have been a great opportunity for her to say, you know what?

00:16:03.000 She should have said, I would have acted quicker on the border.

00:16:06.000 That would have been a real fastball from her. 0.99

00:16:07.000 That would have been good. That would have been good.

00:16:10.000 Or she would have said, to be honest, I think we should have attacked prices quicker.

00:16:14.000 Instead, she is going the party line and telling you nothing will change.

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00:16:20.000 The lawfare will continue.

00:16:22.000 the wars will increase.

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00:17:33.000 We have George Barna, Director of Research and Culture Research Center at ACU Arizona Christian University.

00:17:40.000 George, welcome to the program.

00:17:42.000 George, please inform our audience and take some time to go into the findings of the survey that you publicized yesterday regarding Christians and their perspective on this election.

00:17:52.000 Please. Thanks, Charlie.

00:17:54.000 As we look at what's coming up in the election, what we're finding is much lower enthusiasm about the election among people of faith, which is leading to a projection that we're going to have tens and tens of millions of devoted Christians who intend not to vote.

00:18:15.000 So you can look at theologically defined born-again Christians.

00:18:20.000 We're expecting that there will be about 41 million theologically defined born-again Christians who aren't going to bother to vote.

00:18:29.000 Now, when you look at turnout levels, when you look at vote projection levels, that's a game changer right there.

00:18:37.000 And when you look at who those people would be likely to vote for, By a large margin, they win back Mr.

00:18:45.000 Trump. By their refusal to show up in this election, what that basically says is that Mr.

00:18:53.000 Trump is going to be very, very hard-pressed to win.

00:18:57.000 That's a segment that he's been able to rely on.

00:19:00.000 It is prior to election campaigns.

00:19:04.000 But he can't really rely on them now.

00:19:07.000 Now, one of the things that the survey showed is that part of the reason for that is that the church is that people of faith that regularly attending self-identified Christians, theologically defined born into Christians, people attending evangelical churches, these were all the groups we were looking at where we've got tens of millions who are not going to vote.

00:19:30.000 Well, we looked at what are their churches doing about the election, and what we discovered is that, by and large, their churches don't want to get involved.

00:19:39.000 What we found is that only 56% of Christian churches in the country have even bothered to encourage their people to vote.

00:19:50.000 Now, we did other questions in the survey that found that that would motivate a large number, millions and millions of Christians, It would motivate them to vote if their pastor said, look, voting is a responsibility of a responsible Christian.

00:20:10.000 And so, I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, but I'm going to tell you, do your homework, check with the Scriptures to see what the Bible teaches about the issues, pick the appropriate candidate, and vote.

00:20:24.000 That would bring out tens of millions more Christian voters.

00:20:29.000 And yet our pastors aren't even willing to do that.

00:20:32.000 So we've really got to pull it together in these last few weeks, the election, where Christians can make a huge difference either by staying home or by actually voting intelligently.

00:20:47.000 There's a lot there.

00:20:49.000 And so I want to first ask, how does the enthusiasm that you are measuring and modeling compare to prior presidential elections?

00:20:59.000 Well, you know, we have this algorithm that we use to predict turnout based on a number of factors.

00:21:05.000 And so we look at things like interest in the election, intent to vote, knowledge about the voting process, knowledge about the candidates.

00:21:17.000 Those types of things.

00:21:19.000 And what we're seeing is that all of those measures are down from prior years.

00:21:24.000 Compared to 2020, where we had an unusually high amount of interest in almost all of those indices, what we're seeing is we're probably down between 5 to 10 percentage points in each of those measures.

00:21:40.000 So that's what's contributing to the fall, the decline in projected turnout.

00:21:46.000 In the last election, we had about 61% of voting age adults who turned out.

00:21:53.000 We're projecting that in this election, that's going to drop from 61 to somewhere down to 53 to 55%.

00:22:02.000 So let me ask though, if the general population will decrease from 61 to 53 to 55, are evangelicals down more than other voters?

00:22:12.000 Because if evangelicals decrease in enthusiasm alongside the general population, then it will basically be a wash.

00:22:21.000 Can you speak to that?

00:22:23.000 Yeah, that would be the best case scenario at this point.

00:22:27.000 Right now what we're seeing is that people who are committing Christians, biblical Christians, disciples of Jesus, evangelicals, sage gods, spiritually active, governance-engaged, conservative Christians, whichever of those segments you want to look at, what we're finding is anywhere from 10 to 25 percentage point drops.

00:22:50.000 In enthusiasm about this election, it likely will turn out for this election.

00:22:56.000 So yeah, if it were a wash, I wouldn't be as concerned.

00:22:59.000 It's not. We're dropping at greater levels, and that's what's raising Hillary. 1.00

00:23:06.000 So you say 41 million who will not vote.

00:23:09.000 I want you to also explain in your survey, you explore as to why.

00:23:14.000 What are the reasons that born-again, Bible-believing, church-attending Christians, many of whom have kids and families, that will have to live with the consequence of this election, what are the reasons they give you as to why they will not vote?

00:23:29.000 Well, what we're hearing from about two-thirds of the Is that they're just not interested in politics or they're not interested in this election.

00:23:40.000 We've got a majority of them also saying that they dislike both of the major party candidates.

00:23:47.000 We've got a majority of them saying they don't feel that either of those candidates represents their most important personal views on issues in the election.

00:23:57.000 About half of them are saying that they don't feel that their vote will make a difference anyway.

00:24:02.000 We've got half of them saying that the election is too controversial.

00:24:07.000 They don't want to get involved.

00:24:09.000 By the way, we're finding that born-again Christians are less likely than any other group that we're studying to talk to people who they believe will vote differently or think differently than them about the election.

00:24:24.000 They don't want to even bring it up in discussion.

00:24:27.000 And so they're really distancing themselves from the possibility of being influential in this election.

00:24:35.000 And then you've got almost half of them who are saying, it wouldn't matter if I voted because the election is rigged anyway.

00:24:42.000 And you've got about half of them who say, and I can't get accurate information about the candidates.

00:24:48.000 So I don't really know what I need to know about the two candidates.

00:24:53.000 So I guess a question I have, George, is how much of this would you say is because church attendance has declined and the church is not as strong as it was before all of the lockdowns?

00:25:05.000 Charlie, I think that contributes to it, but I don't think we can only point our finger at the decline in church attendance.

00:25:13.000 I mean, what we're finding is among people who are regularly attending Christian churches, You know, we're finding that 32 million of those people say that they're not going to turn out to vote.

00:25:28.000 And when we talk with those people, they're telling us, well, the church isn't saying anything about the election.

00:25:34.000 They're not encouraging me to vote.

00:25:36.000 They're not giving me information about what the Bible has to say about the issues.

00:25:42.000 That are relevant to the election so that I can choose the appropriate candidate.

00:25:48.000 So it's a mixture of, yes, some people are dropping out of church, but among the Christians who are still attending church, they're not being advised that it's a Christian's responsibility to vote in an election.

00:26:04.000 That we're called to be agents of influence in our culture, in every dimension of that culture, and that includes politics and government and public policy, whether we like it or not.

00:26:17.000 Maybe we don't like business, but we're called to be influential in business.

00:26:21.000 Maybe we don't want to dirty our hands with what's going on at school board meetings and in public schools, but we're called to be influential players in that because those places are influencing the worldview of our children.

00:26:36.000 A worldview that they're going to take with them for the rest of their life.

00:26:40.000 You know, so it doesn't matter whether you enjoy the process of being a cultural influencer.

00:26:48.000 God has called us to play that role.

00:26:51.000 And so whether we like it or not, we better do our homework, put it on our big boy pants, and get in the game.

00:26:59.000 I have a text from a pastor yesterday who refuses to vote or get his friends to vote saying that we must punish Trump and punish Harris for not being biblical and not being engaged with biblical worldview issues.

00:27:13.000 I have the text right here. It's awfully sanctimonious.

00:27:17.000 George, I just want to repeat one thing you said earlier so that people can absorb it because I think it's very important.

00:27:23.000 If your numbers remain the same and there's no improvement and there's no surge in enthusiasm, is it fair to say that Christians staying at home will hand the White House to Kamala Harris? 0.63

00:27:36.000 Yes, I believe that's exactly what's going to happen.

00:27:39.000 Again, when you look at who the different segments of the population would vote for, if they would vote, what we see is that the born-again Christians, the Christians who are churched, the people who attend evangelical churches who are planning not to vote, by large margins, more than 20 percentage point difference, they would be voting for Mr.

00:28:03.000 Trump. So by staying home, they are essentially saying, yeah, we're fine with Kamala Harris winning the presidency.

00:28:11.000 We're fine with the Democrats taking over the Senate and the House in next January.

00:28:19.000 We're absolutely fine with school boards across the country putting in people who would have an agenda to indoctrinate our children.

00:28:28.000 With unbiblical perspectives.

00:28:31.000 You know, and let me also just say, because it burns me up, that email that you got from the pastor saying, we need to punish Trump and Harris because they're taking biblical views.

00:28:42.000 I'd love to ask that pastor, so what are you doing with the people in your pews to punish them who don't have a biblical worldview?

00:28:50.000 Because my research shows that in churches all over the country, a majority of people...

00:28:56.000 Bible-believing churches, allegedly Bible-believing churches, whether they're evangelical, whether they're fundamentalists, whether they're charismatic, whether they're independent, whether they're Bible churches, across the board, we're showing that large majorities of the people sitting in our churches week after week do not have a biblical worldview.

00:29:21.000 What's the pastor going to do about that?

00:29:24.000 Well said, George Barna.

00:29:25.000 Come back any time. As George Barna said it crisply, if his data is correct, even a little bit off, Christians will hand the White House to Kamala Harris on a silver platter. 0.93

00:29:37.000 And we know what happens after that.

00:29:39.000 It's on the church, and right now the church is giving the keys to the kingdom to Kamala Harris.

00:29:44.000 George, thank you so much. Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:30:46.000 MyPillow.com. Okay, I want to riff a little bit on that conversation we just had.

00:30:52.000 So that is not just some random schlep that we put up on the screen in an interview with.

00:30:58.000 That is one of the most reputable and respected pollsters and market researchers in the country when it comes to the Christian population.

00:31:10.000 He has been doing this for over 40 years.

00:31:13.000 Of course, he started the Barna Group.

00:31:15.000 He sold it. He has authored well over 50 books.

00:31:19.000 He is proven time and time again to pinpoint with chilling accuracy the enthusiasm and the energy of the Christian community when it comes to politics.

00:31:29.000 Now, could he be right? We don't know for sure, but he's not just talking out of his tail here.

00:31:35.000 This is a guy that has a long track record to show that when George Barna warns you about something, you better listen.

00:31:43.000 And I have a group text message of these wonderful pastors that I just adore.

00:31:49.000 Many of whom are just so livid with Trump.

00:31:51.000 And I think they're going to vote for Trump, but they're certainly not going to speak on behalf of him.

00:31:56.000 They're certainly not going to say anything positive.

00:31:59.000 They're not going to mobilize their congregation when in prior election cycles in 2020 and 2016 they will.

00:32:04.000 They would have. So what is going on here?

00:32:07.000 Well, number one, there is some consternation, somewhat understandably, but not really, about the abortion thing.

00:32:15.000 I get it. I'm 100% pro-life.

00:32:17.000 I wish the country was more pro-life.

00:32:20.000 So a lot of people are emphasizing that issue.

00:32:22.000 Secondly, a lot of the George Soros-funded evangelical propaganda is wearing people down.

00:32:29.000 It's wearing weak Christians down. 0.99

00:32:32.000 And most importantly, pastors are not leading their flock in a biblical matter.

00:32:36.000 But here's the truth on the pro-life thing.

00:32:38.000 This is the most important election if you are pro-life.

00:32:41.000 This is the first time there are serious pro-life laws that will be repealed.

00:32:45.000 If Kamala wins, you realize that if Kamala wins, the serious pro-life laws in Oklahoma, in Georgia, will be gone.

00:32:53.000 And unfortunately, many of the pastors I talk to, they say, so what?

00:32:57.000 Doesn't matter. So I say, what kind of point are you trying to make here?

00:33:00.000 Do you actually want to protect the unborn?

00:33:02.000 Or are you just trying to say that you're a better Christian than Donald Trump?

00:33:06.000 Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, North Dakota will all be gone.

00:33:11.000 The majority of American pastors are not speaking out at all on this election.

00:33:15.000 They won't speak out against the transmutilation of our kids.

00:33:18.000 They won't speak out on the 320,000 kids being sex trafficked.

00:33:21.000 They won't speak out on our open borders.

00:33:23.000 They won't speak out about the wars that are happening.

00:33:26.000 I thought it was a specific scripture, blessed are the peacemakers.

00:33:29.000 Most pastors couldn't care less about that.

00:33:32.000 Most pastors are too busy expanding their wardrobe budget to be much bigger than their book budget.

00:33:38.000 They run churches that are much closer to auditoriums of motivational speeches that look like TED Talks with a rock concert, organized parking, and good coffee.

00:33:50.000 You see, the problem here is that the American church has not been a strong, resolute organization for quite some time.

00:34:00.000 It is afraid. And I've visited a lot of these churches.

00:34:02.000 They're terrified. And so here's the reality.

00:34:05.000 If American Christians do not wake up and pastors do not boldly speak out every Sunday from now to the election, this country might be lost. 0.62

00:34:15.000 This last weekend, a clip was sent to me of an amazing priest in Scottsdale, Arizona, Father Klein, spoke out for 15 minutes about the slaughter of the unborn and why Christians need to rise up and vote this election.

00:34:29.000 God bless him. Father Klein, Scottsdale, Arizona, St.

00:34:33.000 Bernadette Church. He did a great job.

00:34:35.000 It could not have been a better homily.

00:34:37.000 There are a lot of pastors doing the right job, the right work.

00:34:39.000 But George Barna is not just some rando that we put on here.

00:34:43.000 This guy's been doing it for 40 years.

00:34:45.000 God revealed himself in Butler.

00:34:48.000 How many times do we need to emphasize that there are civilizational defining issues on this?

00:34:53.000 And if we lose, if we lose, it'll be largely because pastors and Christians arrogantly say to God, we don't care. 0.96

00:35:01.000 We're more religious than Donald Trump. 0.94

00:35:04.000 I hope they enjoy the gulags.

00:35:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:07.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:09.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 08, 2024

Will Christians Hand Kamala the White House? ft. George Barna

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