Turning Point USA President George Barna joins the show to make a chilling prediction about Christians. He argues that Christians are about to hand the White House over to Kamala Harris. Are you willing to hand over the presidency to someone who believes in the medical mutilation of children? That would reverse pro-life laws across the country, that would investigate Christian and Catholic organizations, who would take your guns away, keep the borders open, and we have 320,000 child sex slaves in this country? Listen carefully, and then text it to your friends and do something about it. Get involved with Turning Point USA atTPusa.org/turningpointusa and find out how you can get on the voting rolls and have a voice in the 2020 election. The last push for voter registration has been going on in Arizona, and yesterday was a big day. The last 5 or 6 election cycles in Arizona and albeit across the U.S., Republicans almost always lose last minute voter registration. Why did I bother you guys so much for the last 9 months about voter registration? It s because our voting rolls have not been maintained. That s where all of our energy should be. If you want to make sure that they do not do 2020 all over again, it should all be about challenging the suspicious voter registration individuals on voting rolls, and adding legitimate Trump supporters on the voter rolls. That one-two combo. That's what we are here to do. That is Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold and physical delivery of precious metals. It's where I buy all of my gold. Thats why you can protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments. It s where I bought all of your gold! Go to noblegoldinvestments.com/the_charliekirk Show.co/theCharlieKirkShow/the-show_and_the-gold-investments/nobling_investments_and-the-real-gold_investment_factories/thereal-investing_investing/factories_the_Charlie_kirk_show/the&the_white_kirch_show&the-white_cruncharity.co&thereal_krist_crt=1&qid=3&q&q=3PUSA_cr&q_t=4PUSU&q%3D_crth=8
00:00:42.000Text this to your friends. Are you willing to hand the White House over to someone who believes in the medical mutilation of children that would reverse pro-life laws across the country, that would investigate Christian and Catholic organizations, who would take your guns away, keep the borders open, and we have 320,000 child sex slaves in this country?
00:01:00.000Christians are about to hand the White House to Kamala Harris.
00:01:03.000George Barna, very well respected, comes with the data.
00:01:07.000He proves it. Listen carefully, and then text it to your friends, and do something about it.
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00:02:22.000The last five or six election cycles in Arizona, and albeit across the country, Republicans almost always lose last-minute voter registration.
00:02:34.000Now, let's take a step back. What is voter registration?
00:02:37.000Why did I bother you guys so much for the last nine months about voter registration?
00:02:42.000Voter registration leads to voter rolls.
00:02:45.000And the original sin of faulty elections is found in our voter rolls.
00:02:50.000Are you guys upset that people are voting that shouldn't be voting?
00:02:54.000It's because our voting rolls have not been cleaned.
00:02:58.000Are you upset there's a lot of people that agree with us that don't vote?
00:03:01.000It's because they're not on the voting rolls.
00:03:04.000Are you upset that a lot of people are getting ballots that shouldn't be getting ballots?
00:03:07.000It's because the voting rolls have not been maintained.
00:03:11.000Voting rolls, which of course are a byproduct of when people register to vote, is the central
00:04:24.000They want their voice to be heard this election cycle.
00:04:28.000Someone who registers to vote in the last push has a much, much higher likelihood to vote than someone who even registered to vote back in January.
00:04:38.000So for example, yesterday in Arizona, when a plumber or a welder or an electrician says, I gotta go register to vote, It's almost like a mini-vote, if you will.
00:04:48.000It's almost as if they're voting early without actually voting, in the sense that they're showing their hand.
00:04:54.000The last-minute voter registration push is a prelude.
00:05:40.000Well, at Turning Point Action, we deployed our hundreds of full-time people, specifically in Arizona, but also in a national campaign, to make sure that the last-minute push of this voter registration season is not a bloodbath.
00:05:55.000Now, understand, Democrats are supposed to, in general, have a registration advantage, because people who turned 18 should be way more Democrat.
00:07:52.000In just Maricopa County alone, we have 73% more increase of registered Republicans than Democrats than we did in the entire state in 2020.
00:08:04.000And yesterday we saw the Democrats did everything they possibly could to dump forms at the Maricopa County office to try to run up the score.
00:08:14.000But what we were doing at Turning Point Action and the organic thrust was too much for them.
00:08:19.000I'm still getting the final reports from Tyler and the Turning Point Action team.
00:08:23.000But the final reports that we are seeing show that yesterday we were responsible for online and in person 3,000 new Trump voters In Arizona alone.
00:08:34.000I'm getting that number double and triple checked, but just turning point action.
00:08:38.000That's 30% of the deficit of what Donald Trump fell short of in 2020 in one day in Maricopa County.
00:11:08.000I mean, Kamala Harris is on this press tour.
00:11:12.000Oh my goodness, there is so much there to get through, and the cuts are remarkable.
00:11:16.000I just want to say one last thing here, which I think is really important, which is the work that Scott Pressler has been doing, that Turning Point Action has been doing, that Tyler, that Brett, that the entire team, that the entire Turning Point infantry is doing.
00:11:32.000It doesn't guarantee that we are going to win, but I guarantee you we would have lost if it wasn't for all this grassroots hustle.
00:11:38.000And it puts us now in a situation where the table is set for us to go take victory, for us to go run through it.
00:11:46.000Again, we warned you this was World War I trench warfare, that this was going to go, get your shovel, get ready to go dig a trench.
00:13:04.000So right now, the voter registration numbers are telling me a story.
00:13:09.000And then if I build out the formula, I'm starting to see a picture here.
00:13:13.000Voter registration numbers plus Kamala Harris all over my television.
00:13:17.000This is a person who we mocked for 40 days that refused to talk to the press.
00:13:23.000It's because she refused to talk to the press because at the time, her polling looked good, she had tons of money, and she didn't need to talk to the press.
00:13:29.000But all of a sudden, you now have the voter registration numbers, which is like a mini poll.
00:13:33.000It's a sneak preview. It is a coming attraction.
00:13:36.000It's a harbinger, a canary in the coal mine.
00:13:38.000And then you have Kamala Harris out there talking to 60 Minutes.
00:13:42.000Talking to The View? Talking to The Sex Woman?
00:13:50.000This is a campaign that is increasingly not confident.
00:13:55.000This is a campaign, the Kamala Harris campaign, that is not acting within the parameters of the typical play it safe, put Joe Biden in the basement strategy.
00:14:06.000No, this is a campaign where they know that if they don't start to play to win, that things
00:14:34.000But the one that I want to emphasize is Kamala Harris went on The View.
00:14:38.000Which, again, I mean, can she do more female-centric media?
00:14:42.000I think Kamala Harris' new plan is just go win 70% of women voters.
00:14:47.000Now, to be clear, that's not going to happen.
00:14:50.000Yes, you will get a fair amount of female voters.
00:14:52.000You'll win the female vote. But there are millions of patriotic women in this country, moms, grandmothers, and even single women who love the country and they can't stand Kamala Harris.
00:15:02.000And they are a lot smarter than I think Kamala Harris gives them credit for.
00:15:06.000This right here is the one that should be played on repeat.
00:15:09.000Ryan, every cold open from now to the election, I want this in the cold open.
00:17:42.000George, please inform our audience and take some time to go into the findings of the survey that you publicized yesterday regarding Christians and their perspective on this election.
00:17:54.000As we look at what's coming up in the election, what we're finding is much lower enthusiasm about the election among people of faith, which is leading to a projection that we're going to have tens and tens of millions of devoted Christians who intend not to vote.
00:18:15.000So you can look at theologically defined born-again Christians.
00:18:20.000We're expecting that there will be about 41 million theologically defined born-again Christians who aren't going to bother to vote.
00:18:29.000Now, when you look at turnout levels, when you look at vote projection levels, that's a game changer right there.
00:18:37.000And when you look at who those people would be likely to vote for, By a large margin, they win back Mr.
00:18:45.000Trump. By their refusal to show up in this election, what that basically says is that Mr.
00:18:53.000Trump is going to be very, very hard-pressed to win.
00:18:57.000That's a segment that he's been able to rely on.
00:19:07.000Now, one of the things that the survey showed is that part of the reason for that is that the church is that people of faith that regularly attending self-identified Christians, theologically defined born into Christians, people attending evangelical churches, these were all the groups we were looking at where we've got tens of millions who are not going to vote.
00:19:30.000Well, we looked at what are their churches doing about the election, and what we discovered is that, by and large, their churches don't want to get involved.
00:19:39.000What we found is that only 56% of Christian churches in the country have even bothered to encourage their people to vote.
00:19:50.000Now, we did other questions in the survey that found that that would motivate a large number, millions and millions of Christians, It would motivate them to vote if their pastor said, look, voting is a responsibility of a responsible Christian.
00:20:10.000And so, I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, but I'm going to tell you, do your homework, check with the Scriptures to see what the Bible teaches about the issues, pick the appropriate candidate, and vote.
00:20:24.000That would bring out tens of millions more Christian voters.
00:20:29.000And yet our pastors aren't even willing to do that.
00:20:32.000So we've really got to pull it together in these last few weeks, the election, where Christians can make a huge difference either by staying home or by actually voting intelligently.
00:20:49.000And so I want to first ask, how does the enthusiasm that you are measuring and modeling compare to prior presidential elections?
00:20:59.000Well, you know, we have this algorithm that we use to predict turnout based on a number of factors.
00:21:05.000And so we look at things like interest in the election, intent to vote, knowledge about the voting process, knowledge about the candidates.
00:21:19.000And what we're seeing is that all of those measures are down from prior years.
00:21:24.000Compared to 2020, where we had an unusually high amount of interest in almost all of those indices, what we're seeing is we're probably down between 5 to 10 percentage points in each of those measures.
00:21:40.000So that's what's contributing to the fall, the decline in projected turnout.
00:21:46.000In the last election, we had about 61% of voting age adults who turned out.
00:21:53.000We're projecting that in this election, that's going to drop from 61 to somewhere down to 53 to 55%.
00:22:02.000So let me ask though, if the general population will decrease from 61 to 53 to 55, are evangelicals down more than other voters?
00:22:12.000Because if evangelicals decrease in enthusiasm alongside the general population, then it will basically be a wash.
00:22:23.000Yeah, that would be the best case scenario at this point.
00:22:27.000Right now what we're seeing is that people who are committing Christians, biblical Christians, disciples of Jesus, evangelicals, sage gods, spiritually active, governance-engaged, conservative Christians, whichever of those segments you want to look at, what we're finding is anywhere from 10 to 25 percentage point drops.
00:22:50.000In enthusiasm about this election, it likely will turn out for this election.
00:22:56.000So yeah, if it were a wash, I wouldn't be as concerned.
00:22:59.000It's not. We're dropping at greater levels, and that's what's raising Hillary.
00:23:06.000So you say 41 million who will not vote.
00:23:09.000I want you to also explain in your survey, you explore as to why.
00:23:14.000What are the reasons that born-again, Bible-believing, church-attending Christians, many of whom have kids and families, that will have to live with the consequence of this election, what are the reasons they give you as to why they will not vote?
00:23:29.000Well, what we're hearing from about two-thirds of the Is that they're just not interested in politics or they're not interested in this election.
00:23:40.000We've got a majority of them also saying that they dislike both of the major party candidates.
00:23:47.000We've got a majority of them saying they don't feel that either of those candidates represents their most important personal views on issues in the election.
00:23:57.000About half of them are saying that they don't feel that their vote will make a difference anyway.
00:24:02.000We've got half of them saying that the election is too controversial.
00:24:09.000By the way, we're finding that born-again Christians are less likely than any other group that we're studying to talk to people who they believe will vote differently or think differently than them about the election.
00:24:24.000They don't want to even bring it up in discussion.
00:24:27.000And so they're really distancing themselves from the possibility of being influential in this election.
00:24:35.000And then you've got almost half of them who are saying, it wouldn't matter if I voted because the election is rigged anyway.
00:24:42.000And you've got about half of them who say, and I can't get accurate information about the candidates.
00:24:48.000So I don't really know what I need to know about the two candidates.
00:24:53.000So I guess a question I have, George, is how much of this would you say is because church attendance has declined and the church is not as strong as it was before all of the lockdowns?
00:25:05.000Charlie, I think that contributes to it, but I don't think we can only point our finger at the decline in church attendance.
00:25:13.000I mean, what we're finding is among people who are regularly attending Christian churches, You know, we're finding that 32 million of those people say that they're not going to turn out to vote.
00:25:28.000And when we talk with those people, they're telling us, well, the church isn't saying anything about the election.
00:25:36.000They're not giving me information about what the Bible has to say about the issues.
00:25:42.000That are relevant to the election so that I can choose the appropriate candidate.
00:25:48.000So it's a mixture of, yes, some people are dropping out of church, but among the Christians who are still attending church, they're not being advised that it's a Christian's responsibility to vote in an election.
00:26:04.000That we're called to be agents of influence in our culture, in every dimension of that culture, and that includes politics and government and public policy, whether we like it or not.
00:26:17.000Maybe we don't like business, but we're called to be influential in business.
00:26:21.000Maybe we don't want to dirty our hands with what's going on at school board meetings and in public schools, but we're called to be influential players in that because those places are influencing the worldview of our children.
00:26:36.000A worldview that they're going to take with them for the rest of their life.
00:26:40.000You know, so it doesn't matter whether you enjoy the process of being a cultural influencer.
00:26:51.000And so whether we like it or not, we better do our homework, put it on our big boy pants, and get in the game.
00:26:59.000I have a text from a pastor yesterday who refuses to vote or get his friends to vote saying that we must punish Trump and punish Harris for not being biblical and not being engaged with biblical worldview issues.
00:27:13.000I have the text right here. It's awfully sanctimonious.
00:27:17.000George, I just want to repeat one thing you said earlier so that people can absorb it because I think it's very important.
00:27:23.000If your numbers remain the same and there's no improvement and there's no surge in enthusiasm, is it fair to say that Christians staying at home will hand the White House to Kamala Harris?
00:27:36.000Yes, I believe that's exactly what's going to happen.
00:27:39.000Again, when you look at who the different segments of the population would vote for, if they would vote, what we see is that the born-again Christians, the Christians who are churched, the people who attend evangelical churches who are planning not to vote, by large margins, more than 20 percentage point difference, they would be voting for Mr.
00:28:03.000Trump. So by staying home, they are essentially saying, yeah, we're fine with Kamala Harris winning the presidency.
00:28:11.000We're fine with the Democrats taking over the Senate and the House in next January.
00:28:19.000We're absolutely fine with school boards across the country putting in people who would have an agenda to indoctrinate our children.
00:28:31.000You know, and let me also just say, because it burns me up, that email that you got from the pastor saying, we need to punish Trump and Harris because they're taking biblical views.
00:28:42.000I'd love to ask that pastor, so what are you doing with the people in your pews to punish them who don't have a biblical worldview?
00:28:50.000Because my research shows that in churches all over the country, a majority of people...
00:28:56.000Bible-believing churches, allegedly Bible-believing churches, whether they're evangelical, whether they're fundamentalists, whether they're charismatic, whether they're independent, whether they're Bible churches, across the board, we're showing that large majorities of the people sitting in our churches week after week do not have a biblical worldview.
00:29:21.000What's the pastor going to do about that?
00:29:25.000Come back any time. As George Barna said it crisply, if his data is correct, even a little bit off, Christians will hand the White House to Kamala Harris on a silver platter.
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00:30:46.000MyPillow.com. Okay, I want to riff a little bit on that conversation we just had.
00:30:52.000So that is not just some random schlep that we put up on the screen in an interview with.
00:30:58.000That is one of the most reputable and respected pollsters and market researchers in the country when it comes to the Christian population.
00:31:10.000He has been doing this for over 40 years.
00:31:13.000Of course, he started the Barna Group.
00:31:15.000He sold it. He has authored well over 50 books.
00:31:19.000He is proven time and time again to pinpoint with chilling accuracy the enthusiasm and the energy of the Christian community when it comes to politics.
00:31:29.000Now, could he be right? We don't know for sure, but he's not just talking out of his tail here.
00:31:35.000This is a guy that has a long track record to show that when George Barna warns you about something, you better listen.
00:31:43.000And I have a group text message of these wonderful pastors that I just adore.
00:31:49.000Many of whom are just so livid with Trump.
00:31:51.000And I think they're going to vote for Trump, but they're certainly not going to speak on behalf of him.
00:31:56.000They're certainly not going to say anything positive.
00:31:59.000They're not going to mobilize their congregation when in prior election cycles in 2020 and 2016 they will.
00:32:04.000They would have. So what is going on here?
00:32:07.000Well, number one, there is some consternation, somewhat understandably, but not really, about the abortion thing.
00:32:32.000And most importantly, pastors are not leading their flock in a biblical matter.
00:32:36.000But here's the truth on the pro-life thing.
00:32:38.000This is the most important election if you are pro-life.
00:32:41.000This is the first time there are serious pro-life laws that will be repealed.
00:32:45.000If Kamala wins, you realize that if Kamala wins, the serious pro-life laws in Oklahoma, in Georgia, will be gone.
00:32:53.000And unfortunately, many of the pastors I talk to, they say, so what?
00:32:57.000Doesn't matter. So I say, what kind of point are you trying to make here?
00:33:00.000Do you actually want to protect the unborn?
00:33:02.000Or are you just trying to say that you're a better Christian than Donald Trump?
00:33:06.000Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, North Dakota will all be gone.
00:33:11.000The majority of American pastors are not speaking out at all on this election.
00:33:15.000They won't speak out against the transmutilation of our kids.
00:33:18.000They won't speak out on the 320,000 kids being sex trafficked.
00:33:21.000They won't speak out on our open borders.
00:33:23.000They won't speak out about the wars that are happening.
00:33:26.000I thought it was a specific scripture, blessed are the peacemakers.
00:33:29.000Most pastors couldn't care less about that.
00:33:32.000Most pastors are too busy expanding their wardrobe budget to be much bigger than their book budget.
00:33:38.000They run churches that are much closer to auditoriums of motivational speeches that look like TED Talks with a rock concert, organized parking, and good coffee.
00:33:50.000You see, the problem here is that the American church has not been a strong, resolute organization for quite some time.
00:34:00.000It is afraid. And I've visited a lot of these churches.
00:34:02.000They're terrified. And so here's the reality.
00:34:05.000If American Christians do not wake up and pastors do not boldly speak out every Sunday from now to the election, this country might be lost.
00:34:15.000This last weekend, a clip was sent to me of an amazing priest in Scottsdale, Arizona, Father Klein, spoke out for 15 minutes about the slaughter of the unborn and why Christians need to rise up and vote this election.
00:34:29.000God bless him. Father Klein, Scottsdale, Arizona, St.
00:34:33.000Bernadette Church. He did a great job.
00:34:35.000It could not have been a better homily.
00:34:37.000There are a lot of pastors doing the right job, the right work.
00:34:39.000But George Barna is not just some rando that we put on here.
00:34:43.000This guy's been doing it for 40 years.