In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk sits down with Turning Point USA Youth President Candice Miller to discuss feminism and its impact on our society. Candice has a unique perspective on feminism and her views on feminism in general. In this episode, Candice shares her thoughts on feminism, and why it's important to have a strong female voice in the political process. She also discusses the role of women in society, and the importance of women's participation in the military, the draft, and other aspects of our society that have traditionally been held back by women. This is a must-listen episode, and you won't want to miss it! Thank you so much to Candice for being on the show, and we hope you enjoy listening to this episode. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and become a supporter of the show by clicking the bell button on your favorite streaming platform. You'll get 20% off your first month with the discount code: "TurningPointUSA" at checkout. That's $5 and we'll give you 5% off the entire month, plus free shipping on all orders over $99.00. We're giving you a FREE shipping on your next order! We'll see you next Monday! Subscribe to the show! Click here to get 10% OFF your first box of 10 or more boxes of 10 boxes of goodies! FREE Shipping, shipping included in the deal, plus a free shipping throughout the month, shipping anywhere else in the US, and shipping worldwide, and free shipping worldwide! You get 15% off of $99, free shipping, and a maximum of $150, and an additional $99 and shipping nationwide, plus she'll get an extra $50, and I'll get you an additional 10% off shipping, plus you'll get a FREE VIP membership when you sign up to $99 gets you an ad-free version of the Final Provenza Proveditrix, and they'll get 5GB Provencibly VIP membership? FREE shipping, shipping that gets you 5GB of your choice of a cart, and she'll also get $10% off her first month, and 2GBPC, and 5GBGBPC Provedcibly, she'll receive $5 of your first MBPROMO, and 4GBMB PROCTOR gets $5MBRIARD, and 3MBMB PROODCAST?
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00:00:15.000Anyway, we talked about first, should women sign up for the draft?
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00:02:03.000No, I'm just trying to keep up with the lingo.
00:02:05.000Yeah, so men who have experienced that, you know, women at one point weren't able to visit the hospital without their husband and now it's given patient privacy in the sense that... Wait, women?
00:04:20.000It's a bit of a non-answer, but so... Do you think there ought to be a movement towards egalitarianism and equality in all realms?
00:04:34.000And do you think the current social order, at least through the feminist standpoint of there's this patriarchy, do you think we ought to dismantle a patriarchy, if there is one?
00:04:50.000I mean, I think in the end, like, it could be equal, but I don't know.
00:05:01.000So, can we define what you're using the word feminist?
00:05:05.000My understanding was that women should have equal access to rights in pursuit of happiness sort of thing, but I could be wrong on my definition.
00:05:14.000Oh yeah, there's different... There's second and third way feminism.
00:05:16.000Yeah, there's different... First, second, and third way.
00:05:24.000Universal suffrage, that women should be able to vote.
00:05:27.000Second wave feminism was like Gloria Steinemann, where she wrote The Feminist Mystique, where she was rather nasty in her writing, saying that women are in a prison cell called the home and barefoot and pregnant.
00:05:38.000But that led to a lot of women in the workforce and a lot of career advancement for women, for positive or negative.
00:05:46.000Third wave feminism is that any inequity that we see between men or women is inherently wrong.
00:05:51.000So that, for example, if you have modeling, women should not earn more than men, and men should not earn more than
00:07:09.000Because this is currently being debated in front of the Congress right now, the Senate.
00:07:13.000Senate Democrats are pushing to say that men and women, if we were to get into a time of a draft, which we had back during Vietnam, both should be drafted into war.
00:07:23.000Does anyone think that that should happen?
00:07:51.000I mean, are they going to pass the same physical standards?
00:07:53.000Because then there'll just be fewer of them because of virtual sexual dimorphism.
00:07:56.000They're accommodated for female fitness standards.
00:08:00.000When military activity requires less physical strength and is more sort of hacking and flying drones from a building, perhaps the women's military service could be But does anyone think that women should be sheltered from the horrors of war and men should lead into the nastiest, ugliest things for society on behalf of society?
00:08:24.000It's actively being debated right now.
00:08:26.000And the reason I ask is because feminism, if it's implemented at its core premise, is they want equal outcomes, but then also equal treatment.
00:08:36.000Which is that if we go to war, women have to go storm Normandy Beach next time too, not just men.
00:09:12.000I mean, I love women, and I think women have a beautiful place to play in society, but Especially third-way feminism is a toxin on society.
00:09:19.000I think also the degradation of stay-at-home motherhood has been really, really dangerous and destructive for our society.
00:09:27.000It should be celebrated as an option for women.
00:09:29.000And back to Charlie's question, so going around the table, so this is something that's currently being contemplated.
00:09:34.000I think, so, my understanding is they're also, instead of men having to register for the Selective Service, they're just automatically... Yeah, so that's right.
00:09:43.000Everyone automatically gets enrolled, male or female.
00:09:47.000And it passed the House, but it goes to the... Well, they're debating it in the Senate Armed Services Committee, and it very well might pass, which is just... I'm just curious what young ladies think of the perspective of maybe having to go into the military at a time of war.
00:10:02.000So the question is, do you think women ought to be drafted?
00:10:07.000or required to- Or protected from the draft, which would be my position.
00:11:09.000Yes, we should shield women from the draft.
00:11:11.000I want you also to think, sorry to interrupt, beyond results too, do we have a moral obligation to protect women from bullets, missiles, and artillery shells?
00:11:48.000We're talking about force, though, right?
00:11:49.000Yeah, no force, but if a woman... I feel like they definitely have a role in the war.
00:11:53.000A good, smart, intelligent woman can definitely advance the war for our side, but you shouldn't just draft any and every woman in the terms of equality, you know?
00:12:13.000But like he said, there's so many... Yeah, there's so many nuances and so many things with feminism where I don't agree with everything he... Like if he says, are you that type of feminist that he just described?
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00:14:58.000Um, I think if they have, like, like, attributes that will proceed, then, like, then I think they should, but if it's... Well, it would just be a blanket general, uh, draft.
00:16:24.000I don't think anybody really understands why, because it probably shouldn't be.
00:16:26.000But that said, I think losing uteruses to war death is probably long-term more damaging from a society.
00:16:34.000So even if you hate men, like men, hate women, love women, you probably don't want to sacrifice the uterus people when you're gonna need them.
00:17:36.000I think it's up to the individual themselves.
00:17:40.000No, but okay, so the question is, like, this would be something that's forced.
00:17:47.000I know you're from Australia, but I suspect there's probably a military draft or conscription in Australia where the men have to register anyways.
00:17:56.000So in the United States, I assume it's the same in Australia, men have to register for something called the Selective Service, which in wartime, If the government opted to, you know, they couldn't find
00:18:07.000enough soldiers, they could force people, force males to join the war effort, become
00:19:58.000So then, for those of you that said you were feminists, do you see any inconsistency between saying that you want equality, but you're cool with sending men to run into machine guns to protect your society?
00:21:07.000I think that it is a idea toxin where we have Really denigrated having children and staying at home for a lot of women.
00:21:17.000And some women, that's the right path.
00:21:18.000For some women, it's not the right path.
00:21:20.000But for a lot of women, it is the right path.
00:21:22.000And there needs to be an ideological reason as to why you don't get married and you don't have kids for the vast majority of the population.
00:21:32.000And they developed feminism, where they said that for young women becoming a CEO of a shoe company, is as fulfilling as having children.
00:21:40.000And for some people that is true, but for a lot of people that's just not true.
00:21:44.000And you look at the way Gloria Steinem wrote the feminist mystique,
00:21:51.000it was, I feel as if I'm in an open air prison being a stay at home mom,
00:21:55.000barefoot and pregnant basically, being in the kitchen.
00:21:58.000And it started this whole push, which is where we are the same as men.
00:22:03.000And that's the problem of third-wave feminism, is that it ties with the trans movement, is they don't believe there's any sort of biological differences between men and women, which we all agree is insane, right?
00:22:11.000That men and women are made completely differently.
00:22:13.000And, yeah, I think it's a I think it's an intellectual and ideological cancer that needs to be crushed.
00:22:19.000And I think deep down most people don't even believe it.
00:22:21.000And the draft argument actually, I think, really draws that out.
00:22:25.000Where when it comes down to it, most American women are okay sending men to war.
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00:25:32.000Um, because feminism isn't just feminism as in if you're a feminist you have to agree with every single thought and every single idea that every feminist pushes forward, like the draft for example.
00:25:43.000Well it's not clear to me if that's a feminist, like specifically a feminist position.
00:25:51.000Well then if I'm not a feminist under your eyes then that's fine.
00:25:54.000Would you acknowledge though that that would be a pure equality between men and women?
00:26:16.000Okay, so are you guys then okay when you find out that women might earn less in the workforce than men?
00:26:23.000Yeah, if it falls under that same group, but if it's humanity and society, then yeah.
00:26:28.000I mean, I think women should be, if the women are doing the same exact job and producing the same exact amount, quantity, and quality of work, I think they should be paid the same.
00:26:43.000Yeah, the law, you can't discriminate based on sex, but usually there's a lot of other factors, such as where you went to school, what you studied.
00:27:24.000They shouldn't be barred from volunteering, but they should be barred from being forced into conscription despite men being forced into potential conscription.
00:27:38.000Well, if you're fine with women volunteering, why would you object to women being forced I feel like we made so many points on why women shouldn't be in war.
00:28:26.000It's more like, I just Googled it, I think the United States military conscripted 2 million service personnel throughout the course of the Vietnam War.
00:29:48.000So if you are with your boyfriend or husband and there's a home intruder in the house, who would you expect your husband to put himself first into that situation to take care of it?
00:30:25.000I think you were maybe in the middle of making a point.
00:30:27.000You said, well, that they would be teachers And so that's why we should address them.
00:30:32.000Well, you were saying how, like, one million women dying doesn't really hurt society, and I was saying that it does, because women have a higher amount of, like, in certain roles, like, for example... Women's jobs are more valuable?
00:30:44.000I'm saying, like, a lot of women's jobs are already majorly women, right?
00:30:48.000Right, but I was arguing your point about, like, you're making this point of, well, if all the women go and die to war, how are we going to repopulate?
00:30:56.000I don't think any conflict would reduce the female population to such a degree that it would, like, have some catastrophic, uh, if they were drafted, frontline, whatever.
00:31:05.000But, like, we're already, uh— Actually, it'd probably be good—I'm gonna get cancelled for this—it'd actually probably be good for the population if women got drafted, because here's what happens, actually, with the volunteer force of women.
00:31:16.000If they ever do face a deployment, a lot of these female soldiers just get pregnant to avoid having to be deployed.
00:31:27.000Charlie, I think actually conservatives need to get on board with the female draft.
00:31:32.000Charlie, I need you to commit on the whatever podcast here that you actually are in favor of the female draft because they get drafted, right?
00:31:38.000We draft only women and then they're gonna get pregnant so they can avoid being deployed.
00:31:45.000I think this could be a great talking point for the Conservative Party.
00:31:47.000Let's draft the women and then we'll fix the population problem.
00:31:49.000If you're pregnant, you can't be deployed.
00:31:51.000How about like only third trimester can't get deployed?
00:35:46.000So then you acknowledge that there's an inequality that's currently impacting men, because men are the only sex that are required to register for the Selective Service.
00:35:57.000Yeah, that's an inequality in terms of, yeah, if one sex has to go to war, the other one doesn't.
00:36:00.000So your solution then is to get rid of the draft?
00:36:04.000Um, my solution to that would just be let's not go to f***ing war.
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00:38:33.000I work in the healthcare field, and I see a lot of inequality within that.
00:38:37.000So that's one way where I'm a feminist, where I can see, okay, women aren't being treated the best way within the healthcare field, specifically.
00:38:44.000They don't have the same rights as a man does, specifically.
00:40:28.000A woman doesn't get the same adequate care from her primary doctor, from her specialist, from whatever person in the care field to be able to say, you need to do this, this, and that.
00:40:36.000But I just believe that there is something that could be done.
00:40:39.000Do you think that women sometimes might be overemphasizing a condition that might not be a big deal?
00:40:54.000No, because the survey you're citing is that women think they're not getting the care that they deserve, when I think they actually are, and then some.
00:41:02.000But you're right, men will not go to the doctor unless they're missing a limb, where a woman will call their doctor as soon as they have a sniffle or a sneeze or a cough.
00:41:11.000And so they engage in the healthcare system more often.
00:41:15.000So when you have more interactions and more touch points, you'll have more people who think that there's an injustice when there really isn't.
00:41:39.000I think there should be definitely things that are more, or I guess not more important, but like, I'm more for like, if a me, if I'm working a job in a lab and a man is working a job in the same lab and we're doing the same things, then we should be getting equal pay, but... What if you work harder than him?
00:43:01.000Well, you didn't really answer the question, but you did bring up the wage gap there a little bit.
00:43:04.000So the question was about the draft, though, because you said you were feminist, but you're not in favor of women being conscripted into military force, military conscription.
00:43:15.000So, like, just how do you reconcile that?
00:43:18.000Well, I think they brought up a good point about how Like, biologically, women are not as physically strong as, like, men, and I don't understand, like, or I guess, like, they do bring up a point, like, how would it benefit, like, the United States if we're putting more women onto, like, the military if we're not putting, like, the strongest, like, people out?
00:43:43.000Well, if they're not benefiting, then why would we allow women to volunteer?
00:43:49.000I mean, but that's what they want to do with their time.
00:43:56.000It's better than not having any volunteers.
00:43:58.000Do you guys think the military would be better if women weren't in it?
00:44:11.000Do you think the American military was a better fighting force when women were not in it?
00:44:15.000I think they're a lot more aggressive, a lot more assertive.
00:44:21.000I don't want to sound like I'm hating on women, but I just think guys when they're, especially in a war, I mean, they're out there wanting to be out there fighting for their country.
00:45:04.000I mean, but women are such good FBI agents.
00:45:07.000Like, we're just naturally good at... Not private investigators, because women are the best at finding out that your boyfriend's cheating on you.