The Charlie Kirk Show - November 24, 2023


Winning the Pro-Life Debate with Gen Z


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Pro-Life Warrior, Kristian Hawkins, joins me to talk about why we should stop talking about abortion and why we need to fight for freedom on college campuses across the country. She also talks about why abortion should never be legal and why you should never vote for someone who supports abortion.

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00:00:01.000 My conversation with Kristen Hawkins from Students for Life.
00:00:04.000 We go through all the major objections around life.
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00:03:19.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this member-only exclusive conversation.
00:03:23.000 Joining us now is the pro-life warrior, Kristen Hawkins, who does an amazing job. 0.97
00:03:29.000 She goes to college campuses and fights for life all across the country with Students for Life.
00:03:34.000 Kristen, thank you so much for joining the program.
00:03:36.000 Welcome back.
00:03:37.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.
00:03:38.000 So the consensus in the regime Republican circles is we must stop talking about life, stop talking about abortion because of what happened in the recent election results.
00:03:50.000 Your reaction, Chris?
00:03:52.000 That would be no.
00:03:54.000 That is the opposite of what we need to do.
00:03:56.000 Obviously, we know the Democrats are desperate.
00:03:59.000 They want to run on abortion and they have nothing else to run on in 2024.
00:04:03.000 But as I've been telling candidates since Roe was reversed, this is not the time to put the head, your head in the sand on the moment because you cannot outrun the abortion bully.
00:04:14.000 This is not going to end well for you or conservative politics.
00:04:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I believe something similar.
00:04:23.000 And I think that, I mean, you tweeted out my article, which I think people are misrepresenting it.
00:04:28.000 So, Kristen, if you were in charge of the Republican Party on how we talked about life, what can the Republican Party do better?
00:04:37.000 I think we need to be talking constantly about late-term abortion, how it exists, it is real, and Democrats support it. 0.91
00:04:46.000 And we have the votes.
00:04:47.000 We have the letter from the Biden administration demanding that the Women's Quote Empowerment Act be passed, which would legalize abortion up until the moment of birth in all nine months with taxpayer funds, which Democrats voted on twice and passed in the House of Representatives when Nancy Pelosi was still in charge.
00:05:06.000 We need to talk about that.
00:05:08.000 Why? 1.00
00:05:08.000 We know the abortion industry is terrified of that. 1.00
00:05:10.000 This summer, Alex Miguel Johnson, all of the big Planned Parenthood and abortion lobbyists were on Twitter talking about how late-term abortion doesn't exist.
00:05:22.000 It's not real.
00:05:23.000 They have a whole misinformation campaign going out there trying to tell Americans late-term abortion doesn't happen.
00:05:29.000 Why?
00:05:30.000 Because they know it's a political loser for them. 0.76
00:05:32.000 Even pro-choice Americans disagree with the notion of late-term abortion.
00:05:37.000 But yet, when you see issue one in Ohio, when you see any time they introduce pro-life laws, Planned Parenthood will not allow these legislators who are in their pocket to introduce laws that don't allow abortion up until the moment of birth.
00:05:51.000 That's what we need to expose them on.
00:05:53.000 We need to be calling for votes for the Abortion Survivor Protection Act, which simply doesn't ban abortion at any point in pregnancy.
00:06:01.000 It just says when a child is born accidentally from the abortionist side, when a child is born breathing during an abortion, the abortionist has to, at minimum, give life-sustaining care to a child, call the EMTs, get the child to the emergency room.
00:06:18.000 Every single time we brought up our vote, Democrats voted against it.
00:06:22.000 They vote literally for infanticide.
00:06:24.000 And that's why America needs to know.
00:06:26.000 You know, that's right.
00:06:27.000 So, Kristen, help me and help our audience approach some of the top objections.
00:06:33.000 What I have noticed is that the courage of pro-life students is increasing, which gives me great hope.
00:06:43.000 But the hostility, and again, I can handle it.
00:06:45.000 I don't care, but I want to be effective, right?
00:06:48.000 The hostility I receive just for breathing and existing from young women in particular on this topic is remarkable. 1.00
00:06:55.000 When a young woman says, but it's my sovereignty, my body, my choice, what do you think is the most effective way to either convince them or convince those watching the debate?
00:07:09.000 Because they're two separate things.
00:07:11.000 That's right.
00:07:11.000 To, let's just say, persuade them towards our viewpoint.
00:07:16.000 I would ask them why they would prescribe such extremism to solve a problem.
00:07:22.000 Because we all can realize that what's inside of a mother is special, right?
00:07:28.000 Whether you're pro-life or pro-choice, you know that there's what's inside of a mother isn't simply just a meaningless clump of cells.
00:07:35.000 That's why, you know, we all mourn with our friends if our friends experience miscarriage.
00:07:40.000 We don't ask if our friends are having a parasite.
00:07:43.000 We ask them if they're pregnant with a boy or a girl. 0.99
00:07:46.000 So that's kind of written on the human heart.
00:07:49.000 But what you're seeing when you hear those women scream at you is really this reflection of what's been happening in our culture.
00:07:56.000 You know, since the 1960s and 1970s, the second wave of feminism, it has been drilled into young women that they cannot succeed.
00:08:05.000 They cannot succeed in their educational or career goals unless they have access to abortion. 1.00
00:08:10.000 Access to abortion makes them equal to men. 0.78
00:08:13.000 And even our Supreme Court acknowledged that and said that in KCV Planned Parenthood in the early 90s, reinforcing this myth.
00:08:21.000 And so the question I always ask young women is: why do you resort to such extremism?
00:08:27.000 Let's talk about the maybe some very valid concerns you have about maternal health care in our country or access to education once you become pregnant or where you're going to live once you become pregnant or how you're going to force your partner who has told you he wants to force you to have an abortion because more than 75% of abortions are coerced, how to force him to make sure he's supporting you and your child with child support.
00:08:54.000 Let's have those conversations. 0.59
00:08:55.000 But why are we always resorting to extremism on this issue of let's just kill the child? 0.98
00:09:01.000 Let's walk it back and dial it back.
00:09:03.000 And those are the conversations I like to have.
00:09:06.000 I like to ask a woman, who made you think, who has told you that you aren't strong enough to carry a child to term, to parent a child, to place a child with a loving, adoptive family, and also complete your educational or achieve your career goals?
00:09:22.000 Because we certainly haven't told that in a pro-life movement.
00:09:25.000 We don't believe that about you.
00:09:27.000 We believe you are strong enough.
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00:10:41.000 So then the new, not new, but there's none of this is new.
00:10:45.000 It's all demonic.
00:10:46.000 But the more popular argument that I hear, Kristen, is, but you're going to force me to have a pregnancy.
00:10:54.000 That it is, it is you're forcing me to now go through with this and it will ruin my life.
00:11:01.000 It's interesting because they're using like government force arguments now as if that, and this, by the way, Jamal Bowman recently came out and he said that this is government mandated pregnancies.
00:11:15.000 This is nothing new, but it's now becoming one of the top arguments I hear.
00:11:20.000 And but a young lady on campus, what if, how do I get through to her if she doesn't think it's a life? 0.65
00:11:30.000 Now, maybe it's a shtick.
00:11:31.000 I actually think it is.
00:11:32.000 I think that they're just saying that or they're suppressing the truth that they know in their soul.
00:11:38.000 So your reaction to both of those points.
00:11:42.000 There's two ways to talk about that because what you're talking about for her, what she's saying, it's not a life.
00:11:47.000 Obviously, she's not ignoring biology.
00:11:49.000 I would hope not.
00:11:50.000 That it is, in fact, a unique whole human life that never existed before and never exists again.
00:11:56.000 What she's saying is she doesn't believe that human life has the same rights as she does.
00:12:00.000 It's not fully a person in her mind.
00:12:03.000 And somewhere along the line, the nine months or in the six inches of her vaginal canal, a person makes.
00:12:10.000 And that's just not true.
00:12:12.000 So when you're talking to that woman about that issue, I think you really have to hit home the facts about fetal development.
00:12:20.000 You have to talk about the gruesome, violent nature of abortion.
00:12:24.000 It's not simply the mere removal of support.
00:12:28.000 It is active killing for a human life that is alive.
00:12:33.000 I think when you're talking about the audience who's watching you have the conversation, I often talk about the pro-choice nature of the pro-life movement. 0.85
00:12:41.000 But the pro-life movement is very pro-choice in the decisions that women make.
00:12:45.000 And she certainly, unless you're talking about, unless you're talking about sexual assault, she has made a choice to engage in a behavior.
00:12:55.000 Both she and he have made a choice to engage in a behavior.
00:12:59.000 That results, biological consequence could be the creation of a unique whole living human child.
00:13:06.000 You had a choice to engage in that behavior, but you don't have the choice to say you don't like all the consequences of engaging in that behavior.
00:13:16.000 That's not what adulthood and making responsible decisions is about.
00:13:22.000 Yeah, I use that argument.
00:13:24.000 I don't know if it works.
00:13:25.000 I think it works for onlookers, which is that just for some people it works.
00:13:29.000 No, no, no.
00:13:30.000 Some people are just selfish.
00:13:31.000 No, that's so that's the question, right?
00:13:34.000 Is for a generation or a community that is so inward focused, not on duty, obligation, transcendent, right or wrong.
00:13:42.000 You and I both know we have a tough, tough job in front of us, right?
00:13:45.000 It's a tough, it's a tough deal.
00:13:48.000 And so what right now do you see in all the pro-life activism you're doing that gives you the greatest hope and then concern?
00:13:55.000 Let's start with hope.
00:13:57.000 Well, hope is what you said earlier, Charlie, is the young people, the young people who are demanding that Republicans, I don't know, do more than propose a 15-week, four-month abortion proposal that would allow more than nine out of 10 abortions.
00:14:12.000 These young people are unrelenting. 1.00
00:14:14.000 They're on their campuses when people are eating, literally taking our rubber fetal mouths and consuming them.
00:14:22.000 When they're spitting at them, when their administration is stopping them from even having a pro-life event or a speaker, these young people are unstoppable.
00:14:30.000 I mean, we were door knocking.
00:14:32.000 We were door knocking last year in Cheyenne in February.
00:14:36.000 The kids, one of the folks got, it was unbelievable how cold these poor children got, but they were out there knocking on doors because we were going to pass our abortion protection act in Wyoming.
00:14:49.000 And we did, despite the freezing cold temperatures, despite the frostbite, they were unrelenting because they see the vision in their mind.
00:14:58.000 What's concerning is the selfish nature that we're talking about that we've definitely seen a rise of in a post-Ro-America, Where more people on campuses, or when you're having conversations, are willing to tell you, yes, I know it's alive. 0.86
00:15:14.000 Yes, I know it's probably a person, and I still don't care.
00:15:19.000 And this is why culture matters.
00:15:21.000 This is why we have to do a better job of elevating motherhood and families and marriage in our culture.
00:15:28.000 Because we have done a real disservice to our young women and to our nation by elevating what we presume to be this elevated status of single, single woman who's living the life in Manhattan, who has it all and has all the handbags, versus a woman who we show as being disheveled and stressed out to the max of homeschooling her children and maybe having a side job.
00:15:57.000 We do a really big disservice to our young women when we can't have a real conversation to elevate motherhood, to elevate marriage.
00:16:04.000 Because when you look at abortion statistics, as I mentioned earlier, over 75% of women who have abortion say they didn't want to have an abortion, they were forced to have an abortion.
00:16:14.000 Or if one thing had changed, if they had been offered actual support, they would have chosen life.
00:16:20.000 So the fundamental truth is still there, Charlie.
00:16:23.000 No one wants to have an abortion, but we have to break through this and we have to stop this vicious attitude on campuses that we can do whatever we want, no matter how much it harms another human being.
00:16:39.000 And it really starts, I think, with just showing the moral argument of the child in the womb, the preciousness of that child, because they wouldn't say that for any other human rights atrocity.
00:16:51.000 They'll only say it when it comes to abortion.
00:16:54.000 Yeah, and a lot of them are very interested in justice, but not the justice of the unborn.
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00:18:16.000 Since we have seen Roe versus Wade sent back to the states or repealed, have we seen states that have outlawed abortion, abortion rates go down?
00:18:24.000 What are the numbers demonstrated so far?
00:18:27.000 Yeah, the abortion numbers have gone down in states like Arkansas and Alabama, in Oklahoma, Mississippi.
00:18:35.000 It's very clear: if you're not having abortions be legal, abortions will go down.
00:18:40.000 Does it completely eliminate abortions?
00:18:42.000 No.
00:18:43.000 I mean, the abortion numbers in Texas, for example, dramatically declined, but we still know abortions are happening and we don't even know how to track them because there is an illegal flow of chemical abortion drugs being sent into states where there are no surgical abortions or where abortion has been made a thing of the past.
00:19:02.000 This is a major concern for our state attorneys general.
00:19:05.000 It's a major concern for our federal government because they're violating the federal Comstock Act.
00:19:10.000 This is one of the questions I had outside of Ohio: the governor now, Governor DeWine, the state legislature, they should be taking away the licenses of these abortionists to practice medicine in their state because we know they're engaging in a federal crime with the flow of these chemical abortion drugs into their state.
00:19:31.000 And so, this is why when we're talking about what types of abortion laws Republicans should be introducing and advancing, we don't even have to talk about a gestational limit on abortion.
00:19:42.000 We can be talking about chemical abortion, which is the largest percentage of abortions this year will be committed using chemical abortion drugs.
00:19:50.000 And they are gruesome abortions.
00:19:52.000 They lead to injury, infertility, and death. 1.00
00:19:55.000 They're the drug of choice for rapists and sex abusers on women. 0.96
00:20:00.000 Women are aborting children in their toilet bowls and being told just don't look and just keep flushing. 0.99
00:20:06.000 It's unbelievable what's happening in our country.
00:20:10.000 And state attorneys general have the responsibility to stop the flow of these drugs.
00:20:16.000 So, in closing, Kirsten, what do you say to people that would agree generally on the morals, but they say, but don't make it illegal because that is in your legislating your morality?
00:20:30.000 Well, I mean, I think you go back to the Declaration of Independence when our founding fathers listed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and the duty of our government to preserve life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in that order.
00:20:44.000 We cannot have liberty, we cannot have the chance to pursue happiness if first we don't have the very right not to be killed.
00:20:51.000 And I think that is the preeminent duty of our government is to protect the human beings within its borders.
00:20:58.000 That is why we have a government.
00:21:01.000 And I think if you don't stand against abortion, but you say you're pro-life, you probably need to go back and re-educate yourself a little bit on abortion because I don't see how anyone can justify allowing the violence against innocent children to happen more than 2,000 times every single day.
00:21:20.000 And in some regards, depending on your state with your taxpayer dollars, it's led to a culture of death, Charlie, that isn't just for the children, but it's a culture of death that we're now seeing play out throughout our whole country when we begin to dehumanize our neighbors, our family members, when people in the streets want to shout and yell things that are anti-Semitic against our Jewish brothers and sisters.
00:21:47.000 The culture of death is here.
00:21:49.000 And it starts with first refusing to acknowledge the humanity that every human being has and the very right that every human being has not to be killed because they're precious.
00:22:01.000 Kirsten, what is the greatest need for the pro-life movement that you see currently?
00:22:05.000 I think the greatest need, and I've been saying this for before Roe was reversed, is that I believe very much in the John Wall Maxwell adage of people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.
00:22:16.000 The ballot referendums, the issue of abortion, the branding of the pro-life movement would be completely different if America knew how much the pro-life movement cared.
00:22:26.000 That we operate more than 3,000 pregnancy resource centers, maternity homes across America.
00:22:32.000 That for 50 years, we supported and sustained an entire social safety net for women and families in need.
00:22:39.000 And we do so much more than Planned Parenthood ever claims that they do for women who are pregnant.
00:22:46.000 We need to tell that story better.
00:22:48.000 We've been knocking on doors in neighborhoods, including there, where you're at in Phoenix, just bringing diapers and formula to the doors, telling neighbors that this is who the pro-life movement is, and educating them about the local pregnancy center down the street.
00:23:04.000 Because if we can start the conversation there with how much we care, how much we love, they may just listen to us when we start to talk about what Planned Parenthood actually does behind their closed doors.
00:23:17.000 Your coordinates, Kristen, how people can support you.
00:23:19.000 Students for Life, tell us all about it.
00:23:21.000 Studentsforlife.org, if you want to bring this life-affirming message to your community, you can go to abortionfreecities.org and sign up.
00:23:29.000 Check us out, studentsforlifeaction.org, which is our political arm.
00:23:33.000 And then you can check out my podcast, Explicitly Pro-Life.
00:23:36.000 Very good, Kristen.
00:23:37.000 God bless you.
00:23:37.000 Thank you so much.
00:23:38.000 Thanks, Charlie, for all your amazing work.
00:23:40.000 It's amazing how much you've done.
00:23:42.000 Thank you.
00:23:43.000 Can't wait to see you soon.
00:23:44.000 Thank you so much.
00:23:45.000 Everybody, check out Kristen Hawkins deal, abortionfreecities.org.
00:23:49.000 God bless you guys.
00:23:50.000 We'll see you soon.
00:23:51.000 Thanks so much for listening.
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