00:00:01.000My conversation with Dave Rubin, author of Don't Burn This Country.
00:00:05.000We talk about the left, woke progressives, what we can do to defeat them.
00:00:08.000Unfortunately, the conversation ends a little abruptly because all of our power went out in our studio while I was talking with Dave, but it's just a great conversation with a phenomenal patriot and American.
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00:02:59.000I did become a conservative because years ago, we were sitting in a car after an event I think we did at the University of Berkeley where Antifa showed up and people were yelling and pulling fire alarms.
00:03:11.000And, you know, we're very, very scary.
00:03:12.000And we were also with that very scary Candace Owens.
00:03:46.000And the beauty of, I would say, what sort of is happening on this new right, as some people are calling it, is that you can agree to disagree on some stuff.
00:03:54.000And even at the show I did in Phoenix last night at the improv that you opened for, we got into it with the crowd because I play with the crowd a lot.
00:04:08.000So this book really is about, well, look, the woke have destroyed an awful lot, right?
00:04:13.000I mean, if you look at what's gone on in these last five years, the woke have decimated all of our institutions, education institutions, cultural institutions, entertainment institutions, corporate institutions, et cetera.
00:05:04.000Like, wow, 30 years have gone by, right?
00:05:07.000Since 1992, we have more technology and more connection and all this, yet 97% of people want what we had 30 years ago.
00:05:17.000Like there's something to that, right?
00:05:20.000I guess that would be the ultimate conservative argument.
00:05:22.000It's almost as if, Charlie, hear me out on this.
00:05:24.000People before us fought for things and understood things and knew what they were doing to a certain degree.
00:05:31.000And perhaps the mistake of our generation, or maybe it's the mistake of the boomers before us, really, is that they didn't know how to explain to us, man, there was something good here.
00:05:40.000And you guys are being handed something, but it's not just that you're handed it.
00:06:50.000Year 2000, I think I got my first phone.
00:06:52.000It was a little, you know, black and white.
00:06:54.000You could only play snake on it, phone.
00:06:55.000You couldn't even, it didn't have number, you know, letters.
00:06:58.000You just had to text in that old crazy way.
00:07:00.000The point is, the world has changed so much that a set of people who now are still holding on.
00:07:05.000And what I mean by that are 80-year-old Joe Biden and 106-year-old Nancy Pelosi and all of these people.
00:07:11.000It's not to say you can't be 80 and be sharp and functional and all of these things, but Gen X, the 45, let's say the 40, the 38-year-olds to say mid-50s, late 50s, these are the people who are still in the prime of their life.
00:08:34.000You could only be a tyrant to your grandchildren so much.
00:08:38.000The thing is, life has a certain arc, right?
00:08:40.000And I think, I'm not that old yet, but I think that part of the arc is you get to a certain age.
00:08:45.000And if you're blessed to have children and then grandchildren, that maybe you could realize, hey, at however old she is, 82 or whatever it is, with all the power and all the money that she has attained and all that stuff, maybe it is time to let go and go be a grandmother or go be a mother.
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00:12:24.000But I do, I find it fascinating, the psychology of all this.
00:12:28.000So your friend Jordan Peterson, someone who I've met a couple of times and I've really have a lot of admiration with, he had a fascinating guy on his podcast who talked about this idea of luxury beliefs.
00:12:41.000Yeah, and it was like one of the most fascinating arguments where people have traded the need, want, and desire for luxury goods, like, you know, nice watches or a nice car.
00:13:00.000That's who you're referring to on Jordan's podcast.
00:13:02.000And it's an interesting set of ideas that I think is very connected to what liberalism has become, unfortunately.
00:13:09.000And I always have to say unfortunately because you know my first book was a defense of classical liberalism, which is a defense of all of the ideas that America was founded upon.
00:13:18.000It is very hard for me in 2022 to say I am a liberal.
00:13:23.000I suppose if we were at Oxford with some well-educated people, it would be a little bit easier, but it can be difficult from sort of a broadcaster point of view.
00:13:31.000But the idea of luxury beliefs is that once the world has been set up so that you're given everything, which is what so much of Americana is about, because it's been so freaking good here for so long because so many people have fought and died to make it that way, that then the liberals, in essence, or the elites, can sort of just believe all of these crazy things that are not true, but it sort of just makes them kind of feel like they're very evolved and good.
00:13:56.000So a very obvious one in our day now would be all of this gender stuff.
00:14:01.000That you can sort of just believe that you, just because you're biologically one thing, that you actually are something else.
00:14:10.000And that if we could only create all of the conditions for you to become that other thing, that you would live a happier life and it would be more evolved if you could aid in all of these other people doing it.
00:14:20.000One of the other things that Jordan talks about related to that even, meaning the trans issue, is that, you know, first off, he always says that he has great sympathy for people that have gender dysphoria, which is that you are biologically one thing, but you believe you are the opposite sex in your mind.
00:14:36.000So there's a mind-body disconnection there.
00:14:38.000And he's a clinical psychologist, so he has sympathy for that condition in and of itself.
00:14:42.000But one of the things he talks about is that just because you have that condition, if you think that purely by physically changing your body, you are going to solve all of your problems, most likely it ain't going to be the case.
00:15:05.000She, she, I mean, there are many studies about this that people think, oh, if I can just make these changes, then I'll be better.
00:15:12.000But, you know, it comes from within, not necessarily the external stuff.
00:15:15.000So that's sort of what a luxury belief is.
00:15:17.000It's that the liberals all seem to believe things like if we just say the right thing all the time, if we just feel the right way and make people think that everything's kind of okay.
00:15:28.000But in the real world, when you really have to pay bills, when you really have to make things happen, when you have to fight for what is yours, yes, yes, those pesky shackles, when in the real world, when you have to go get yours, when you have to fight for something, fight for freedom, fight for whatever it is that is within you that you're trying to attain, you don't have time for that stuff.
00:15:47.000So, we have this whole crew of woosters right now who've been handed the world and they're finding petty problems to fight about while they burn the whole thing.
00:15:55.000I don't even think, this is my question.
00:15:57.000How much of it do they actually believe, right?
00:15:58.000So, like, a luxury belief would be some person in Harvard being like, Yeah, I think monogamy is ending and polyamory.
00:16:05.000And then you ask them, What are you going to do with your life?
00:16:07.000Well, I'm going to get married and have children and be loyal to my husband.
00:16:23.000But seriously, like, if anyone walks out of line in Greenwich, it's like no, it's these crazy.
00:16:28.000Look, look, why does Pelosi, why does Biden, Kamala Harris, why do all of these people who are super wealthy who live in elite communities, and then they go for defunding the police?
00:16:53.000Now, I'm just going to sell a set of ideas to a group of people who don't really understand the issue.
00:16:57.000So, like, the polyamory thing is an interesting one because it's like at some level, when you're in your early 20s, it sort of makes sense.
00:17:04.000Like, ah, just live for however you want, live for the day, do whatever you want, give yourself pleasure at all times.
00:17:08.000Like, there's some piece of being a human that at a certain level it makes sense.
00:17:12.000And then, but you realize over time that actually being with one person is pretty good and building a life with a family is pretty good.
00:18:06.000And by the way, you know, I mentioned this on the show last night at the live event that, you know, when it comes to this Roe v. Wade thing, look, the pro-life thing to conservatives, this is like the top of the thing.
00:19:07.000So that shows you that red states are willing to compromise because if it was a purely red state position, they'd have no abortion or it would have the most minor exclusions, right?
00:20:13.000What do you think that tells you about the modern conservative movement?
00:20:17.000Well, what it tells you is there is there's an implicit understanding that we live in a country with people that disagree with us and we are not here to make everyone bow to us.
00:20:29.000It's a very mature way to look at the world.
00:20:51.000Even in your own family, you don't necessarily need to know or constantly be focused on everyone's political beliefs related to everything else.
00:20:58.000But they've created a cult-like atmosphere around politics.
00:21:04.000So that's why the Roe v. Wade thing to me, kicking it back to the states, putting aside abortion specifically, the idea that the states will have more power and you can live in a place that is more aligned with your views.
00:21:18.000And if abortion to you is the number one issue, if that is your number one issue and you live in Alabama and you want everyone to have unlimited abortions, then move to Cali.
00:21:29.000That's a system that shows flexibility.
00:21:31.000That shows a system that shows an ability to be amenable and changeable.
00:21:38.000So, but what we're seeing, as you well know, is the opposite, right?
00:21:41.000Which is like this imperialistic mindset from the left, which is, okay, we have unlimited abortions in the Bronx, but like someone in Missouri doesn't agree with me.
00:21:50.000And we better stop that from happening.
00:21:52.000And we have to like bring people with guns.
00:21:54.000We hate guns unless we have guns, right?
00:22:15.000Like, if you remove God from everything, if you remove something bigger than us from everything, you leave people with the need for belief.
00:22:21.000It is so fundamental to the human experience.
00:22:24.000And then they will fill that with something.
00:22:49.000Yes, because you and I know this really well, Charlie.
00:22:52.000Five, seven years ago, when we were going to college events, right, we'd go there and they'd be pulling fire alarms and they'd be screaming at us and yelling.
00:22:58.000And all we'd be going up there is talking about free speech.
00:24:38.000So I see a lot of our friends all day long on Twitter still, but they're hypocrites and I can make fun of them because they do this and that.
00:24:45.000And it's like, yes, there is mockery that is sometimes worthy of it.
00:24:50.000But really what the book is about is now what do you do to separate from them?
00:24:53.000So A, whether it's what I said before, move to a state that's more in line with your values and defend that state.
00:24:58.000B, don't put your time and money into the institutions that are coming for your life.
00:25:03.000So you do not have to go $100,000 into debt to get a degree in, say, lesbian archery.
00:25:09.000This is not very valuable in real life, except in a very, there's maybe a very small amount of people that can use lesbian archery as a worthwhile.
00:25:18.000Well, there's a certain set of people that it's valuable for.
00:25:21.000But if you just stop thinking, for example, how about you cancel Disney Plus?
00:25:26.000How about you cancel Netflix, which I've done.
00:25:28.000How about you get out of the system and then start building new things?
00:25:32.000You build things like Turning Point build things, or you build things like Locals Build Through, or you build things like Daily Wire, which is putting $100 million into kids' programming.
00:25:42.000And if we actually start doing those things, you know what also happened?
00:26:18.000I mean, the ads against, every time you opened up YouTube over the summer, all of the ads against our friend Larry Elder were basically Larry Elder's.
00:26:24.000I actually said paid by Reed Hastings on the bottom.
00:26:40.000So right now, the only reason I watch Netflix is because Seinfeld's on there.
00:26:43.000And as I said during, as I said during the show last night, I just have to figure out how to get Seinfeld on a server in my house and then I'm out.
00:27:07.000But the point is, there's a fundamental difference between trying to destroy people personally and doing what the free market dictates, which is, hey, I don't have to give money to things that are evil.
00:27:58.000I think that there is a lot of nuance there.
00:28:00.000At the same time, I think that some conservatives don't even like, hey, I don't want to punish Disney because it feels like I'm doing the Lewis C.K. thing.
00:28:08.000Or it feels, and I think, but anyway, no, because then you're just, you're on the endless slide to hell with them.
00:28:13.000Yeah, and I just, I think also the difference is also, okay, there are some extraordinary circumstances where people should be probably canceled from life, like Bill Cosby or whatever, right?
00:28:25.000But what happened is that we're going to now cancel Dave Chappelle because he says a joke we don't like.
00:28:46.000So it's to me, the idea of making decisions that are in line with the way you view the world is it's, in some ways, it's the reverse of cancel culture, because then you're supporting someone else that you are, that you're actually lifting up, as opposed to something that is actually trying to take you down.
00:29:02.000So I, I don't have a problem with that.
00:29:04.000Otherwise, you know, you're just, you're literally funding people to take away your freedoms, in essence, and I just won't be part of that.
00:29:11.000Yeah that's, that's such a good point, and conservatives need to get used to rewarding the good guys and punishing the bad guys, especially monetarily.
00:29:20.000And, by the way Charlie, you know, the other piece is this, is that we're we all do things somewhat inconsistently right?
00:29:33.000We all have these negotiations that we have to go through, but could you have the vhs or dvd copy of Cinderella and not fund the operation today that is trying to tell your son that he's a girl?
00:30:36.000It's a topic we haven't touched on a lot uh, which is how should conservatives process big companies making it harder to live a conservative life.
00:31:11.000But if the alternative from an open system is a centralized, controlled, completely controlled system, we have a problem.
00:31:17.000Now, we have some version of both of those happening right now, right?
00:31:20.000We have a centralized system and then capitalism that is being usurped by a bunch of bad actors.
00:31:26.000But what we were talking about during the break was that I decided about six months ago, right after the recall, which failed, and I campaigned for Larry Elder.