The Charlie Kirk Show - Woke Pathogens and "Luxury" Beliefs with Dave Rubin

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 It's Anna Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 My conversation with Dave Rubin, author of Don't Burn This Country.

00:00:05.000 We talk about the left, woke progressives, what we can do to defeat them.

00:00:08.000 Unfortunately, the conversation ends a little abruptly because all of our power went out in our studio while I was talking with Dave, but it's just a great conversation with a phenomenal patriot and American.

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00:01:42.000 Do not burn this country, everybody.

00:01:44.000 That is the sequel.

00:01:46.000 Is that fair to say?

00:01:47.000 It is the sequel.

00:01:48.000 And I have to say, this is quite an excellent book.

00:01:50.000 Now that I'm really diving into it here, this is you actually get the chance to read that.

00:01:55.000 Amazing.

00:01:56.000 By Dave Rubin.

00:01:58.000 The first book was Don't Burn This Book.

00:02:00.000 Now, the question is: did anyone actually try to burn the book?

00:02:03.000 Well, we had people that tried to digitally burn it.

00:02:06.000 Oh, is that right?

00:02:06.000 You know, the freaks on Reddit and those internet weirdos that coordinate to ruin Amazon reviews and things like that.

00:02:13.000 That's what I would call a digital book burning.

00:02:16.000 I don't know that anyone was out there, you know, like actually burning the book.

00:02:20.000 But now it's Don't Burn the Country, which is surviving and thriving in our woke dystopia by Dave Rubin.

00:02:27.000 We're going to spend the whole hour talking about this and just kind of some news of the day stuff, but let's just dive right into it.

00:02:32.000 Tell us kind of what's in this book.

00:02:34.000 What's the argument you're making?

00:02:35.000 Well, the argument is we're running out of time and we better figure out what to do here.

00:02:40.000 This is something that you and I have talked about for a long time, Charlie.

00:02:43.000 And on the inscription, is this the one that I wrote to you?

00:02:46.000 I will even read it to the audience because I know how happy you are about this.

00:02:49.000 It's one of the great things.

00:02:51.000 On this inscription right over here, this is the book that I sent Charlie a couple weeks ago when the book came out.

00:02:56.000 I wrote, Charlie, okay, fine.

00:02:58.000 You were right.

00:02:59.000 I did become a conservative because years ago, we were sitting in a car after an event I think we did at the University of Berkeley where Antifa showed up and people were yelling and pulling fire alarms.

00:03:11.000 And, you know, we're very, very scary.

00:03:12.000 And we were also with that very scary Candace Owens. 1.00

00:03:15.000 She freaks people out. 0.73

00:03:17.000 And we're in the car after the event.

00:03:19.000 And, you know, we're talking about free speech.

00:03:21.000 We actually disagreed on some stuff on stage, but they didn't care.

00:03:24.000 They just want to yell at you and shut you down and the whole thing.

00:03:28.000 And we were in the car on the way back home to dinner.

00:03:30.000 And you said, Dave, you will be a conservative one day.

00:03:33.000 And I didn't really push back that hard because I could see the road.

00:03:36.000 The road was being laid right in front of me.

00:03:39.000 I could see it.

00:03:40.000 Now, we can all whittle down the argument of what exactly is a conservative.

00:03:45.000 That doesn't really matter.

00:03:46.000 And the beauty of, I would say, what sort of is happening on this new right, as some people are calling it, is that you can agree to disagree on some stuff.

00:03:54.000 And even at the show I did in Phoenix last night at the improv that you opened for, we got into it with the crowd because I play with the crowd a lot.

00:04:01.000 And people do disagree on things.

00:04:02.000 People have disagreements, even when it comes to something like abortion, and yet can still all call themselves conservatives.

00:04:08.000 That's a beautiful thing.

00:04:08.000 So this book really is about, well, look, the woke have destroyed an awful lot, right?

00:04:13.000 I mean, if you look at what's gone on in these last five years, the woke have decimated all of our institutions, education institutions, cultural institutions, entertainment institutions, corporate institutions, et cetera.

00:04:25.000 So you have to acknowledge that. 0.92

00:04:27.000 And as my friend Jordan Peter would say, Peterson would say, you have to give the devil his due.

00:04:31.000 Man, we may not like what they're doing, but they have done it.

00:04:34.000 And you have to actually say, wow, they did something.

00:04:36.000 And that's important to acknowledge.

00:04:38.000 Otherwise, you can't fight against it.

00:04:40.000 But once you acknowledge it, then what can you do so that, as I say in the subtitle, you can thrive?

00:04:45.000 Yeah, that's what I like to do.

00:04:46.000 And there are a lot of financial is that, I mean, so I'll just give you an example.

00:04:50.000 I did a poll on Telegram, Instagram, Twitter, every platform I had.

00:04:54.000 I said, agree or disagree, that the 1990s was a happier and better place to live.

00:04:59.000 And 97% of people said it was better.

00:05:02.000 Yes, I agree.

00:05:03.000 That makes you pause.

00:05:04.000 Like, wow, 30 years have gone by, right?

00:05:07.000 Since 1992, we have more technology and more connection and all this, yet 97% of people want what we had 30 years ago.

00:05:17.000 Like there's something to that, right?

00:05:20.000 I guess that would be the ultimate conservative argument.

00:05:22.000 It's almost as if, Charlie, hear me out on this.

00:05:24.000 People before us fought for things and understood things and knew what they were doing to a certain degree.

00:05:31.000 And perhaps the mistake of our generation, or maybe it's the mistake of the boomers before us, really, is that they didn't know how to explain to us, man, there was something good here.

00:05:40.000 And you guys are being handed something, but it's not just that you're handed it.

00:05:45.000 You're handed it.

00:05:45.000 And now you have to protect it like a baby bird.

00:05:47.000 You can't just grab it and crush it.

00:05:49.000 You have to now know that there is something very precious in your hand.

00:05:52.000 And I think, you know, I don't like to do the generational blame.

00:05:55.000 It's too easy to just, you know, lay it all out on the board.

00:05:57.000 They do it too.

00:05:58.000 It's amazing.

00:05:59.000 They do it.

00:05:59.000 It drives me crazy.

00:06:00.000 Look, there's 20.

00:06:02.000 I'm Gen X. I'm 45.

00:06:03.000 So I am right in the middle of Gen X. You are to blame for nothing.

00:06:07.000 No, because they didn't give us a chance, man.

00:06:09.000 That's the difference.

00:06:10.000 It's really the forgotten generation.

00:06:11.000 So wait, how old are you?

00:06:12.000 28.

00:06:13.000 You're 28, so you're a millennial, right? 0.99

00:06:15.000 That's correct.

00:06:16.000 I'm on the older end of the millennials.

00:06:18.000 So almost Gen Z. You're almost Gen Z.

00:06:20.000 Okay, so I'm right in the middle of Gen X. 0.94

00:06:22.000 And the boomers, which obviously are before me, they've been holding on for too long.

00:06:27.000 Now, that's not to say that people can't. 1.00

00:06:28.000 Oh, I'm gonna hate mail.

00:06:29.000 No, listen.

00:06:30.000 Listen, I don't mean that.

00:06:31.000 My favorite show is The Golden Girls. 1.00

00:06:33.000 I like old people.

00:06:34.000 Okay, so this is not about saying old people don't know what they're doing. 0.88

00:06:38.000 But at a certain point, a set of people, the world has changed.

00:06:41.000 Think about it this way, as you just said, related to the phones and technology and everything.

00:06:44.000 The world has changed so much in 20 years, right?

00:06:47.000 We did not have iPhones 20 years ago.

00:06:50.000 Year 2000, I think I got my first phone.

00:06:52.000 It was a little, you know, black and white.

00:06:54.000 You could only play snake on it, phone.

00:06:55.000 You couldn't even, it didn't have number, you know, letters.

00:06:58.000 You just had to text in that old crazy way.

00:07:00.000 The point is, the world has changed so much that a set of people who now are still holding on.

00:07:05.000 And what I mean by that are 80-year-old Joe Biden and 106-year-old Nancy Pelosi and all of these people.

00:07:11.000 It's not to say you can't be 80 and be sharp and functional and all of these things, but Gen X, the 45, let's say the 40, the 38-year-olds to say mid-50s, late 50s, these are the people who are still in the prime of their life.

00:07:25.000 They've done some things.

00:07:27.000 They physically are still in good shape.

00:07:28.000 Like a Ron DeSantis.

00:07:30.000 Ron DeSantis is the prime example.

00:07:32.000 He's like the quintessential.

00:07:33.000 I think he's 43.

00:07:34.000 He has an incredible pedigree through the military and everything that he's done.

00:07:37.000 He's obviously, he's the tip of the spear in Florida, freedom, the whole thing.

00:07:41.000 But he's sharp, right?

00:07:42.000 He's like, he's at the top of his game.

00:07:45.000 And I think right now, relative to what we're fighting with a Democrat Party that is just, I mean, they're ruining everything.

00:07:53.000 They are in the last stages of ruining everything.

00:07:55.000 We need some people that are fully ready to fight.

00:07:57.000 That is not to say you can't be 86 and on the ball and smart.

00:08:02.000 But I think there is something to say that the Democrats are overpopulated with Septogenarians and octogenarians.

00:08:07.000 And it's like Schumer's the type in Pelosi.

00:08:09.000 They're kind of like the ranch dressing where it's like best used by.

00:08:13.000 And you're kind of like.

00:08:13.000 At that expiration date.

00:08:15.000 And you're like, this was like 2004.

00:08:17.000 Well, it's like, it's like...

00:08:19.000 You shouldn't get near that.

00:08:20.000 Charlie, Nancy Pelosi is running again.

00:08:23.000 She's running again.

00:08:24.000 You know that, right?

00:08:25.000 Yeah, of course.

00:08:26.000 But what else is she supposed to do?

00:08:27.000 Go be a grandma. 0.97

00:08:29.000 Scare the children.

00:08:30.000 But it's like that there's not as much power.

00:08:32.000 I mean, you know, that's what it is.

00:08:34.000 You could only be a tyrant to your grandchildren so much.

00:08:38.000 The thing is, life has a certain arc, right?

00:08:40.000 And I think, I'm not that old yet, but I think that part of the arc is you get to a certain age.

00:08:45.000 And if you're blessed to have children and then grandchildren, that maybe you could realize, hey, at however old she is, 82 or whatever it is, with all the power and all the money that she has attained and all that stuff, maybe it is time to let go and go be a grandmother or go be a mother.

00:09:00.000 But these people can't let go.

00:09:01.000 But really, the point of the book is, all right, they're not going to let go.

00:09:05.000 And it's not really about the age thing. 0.75

00:09:07.000 The woesters are not going to let go of our institutions.

00:09:10.000 They're not letting go.

00:09:11.000 They are here to burn the thing down.

00:09:12.000 When people tell you, hey, I'm here to burn the thing down, I believe them.

00:09:15.000 When they say I'm here to ruin America or when they say America is fundamentally evil, I believe people when they tell me that, you know?

00:09:21.000 So the question is, what can you do?

00:09:22.000 There's a lot of things you can do.

00:09:24.000 One of the things that I did is I got out of Cali and I moved to Free State.

00:09:29.000 You started a company that has actually made the world a better place.

00:09:31.000 Yeah.

00:09:32.000 And I want to tell our audience about that.

00:09:33.000 So we plug 2,000 mules a lot here on this.

00:09:36.000 I'm in the movie.

00:09:37.000 I saw the movie.

00:09:38.000 Yeah.

00:09:38.000 Big star.

00:09:39.000 Big star.

00:09:39.000 Thank you, Harry.

00:09:40.000 I had like four lines.

00:09:41.000 Big star.

00:09:42.000 It was kind of like the Costanza.

00:09:43.000 These pretzels are making me thirsty.

00:09:45.000 These pretzels are making me thirsty.

00:09:48.000 That's it.

00:09:48.000 That's right.

00:09:49.000 Charlie, pretzels are making me thirsty.

00:09:51.000 And only Metaxas got my Seinfeld references.

00:09:54.000 I know everyone else.

00:09:55.000 He's good with the references.

00:09:55.000 He's very good.

00:09:56.000 Yeah, Prager was not going to get a reference.

00:09:58.000 That's not.

00:09:59.000 I don't get it.

00:10:00.000 I'm kidding.

00:10:01.000 Love it.

00:10:02.000 No, but the reason why Mules largely was able to be distributed seamlessly is because the company you founded and merged with Rumble, Locals, which was a Patreon competitor.

00:10:13.000 We use Locals.

00:10:15.000 And it was able to, hey, like, hey, we have this documentary that we know that is going to get banned on Facebook and YouTube.

00:10:20.000 Right.

00:10:20.000 We didn't even bother to do that whole silly fight where it's like we put it on there and we get banned and then we protest it.

00:10:28.000 It's like Dinesh was just like, I'm just going to put it up on locals and kind of just not go through this entire thing.

00:10:34.000 30 seconds.

00:10:34.000 I got to tell you, I'm so thrilled that that happened.

00:10:37.000 Everyone knew, hey, there's something wrong with the internet.

00:10:39.000 And then I was like, somebody's got to fix it.

00:10:41.000 Is there someone that can fix it?

00:10:42.000 And then I was like, wait a minute, I'm a guy.

00:10:43.000 I'm a guy like me.

00:10:44.000 Why don't I fix it?

00:10:45.000 And I built locals and it's been awesome.

00:10:48.000 And the interface is beautiful.

00:10:49.000 No, it's sleek and it's smooth.

00:10:50.000 And we combined, we merged with Rumble and we're building the future of the internet.

00:10:54.000 Why not?

00:10:54.000 I love it.

00:10:55.000 You got anything better to do than save the world?

00:10:58.000 Get my back.

00:10:59.000 Besides, getting your back fixed.

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00:12:08.000 So let's, I want to, you've spent some time in like high liberal elite society.

00:12:14.000 I have.

00:12:14.000 I've been to the parties.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, I mean, you've been to the parties.

00:12:16.000 And by high, I don't mean like state of mind.

00:12:18.000 Like we can get into the psychedelic stuff if you want.

00:12:20.000 But more of a tequila guy.

00:12:22.000 Yeah, I didn't mean it that way.

00:12:24.000 But I do, I find it fascinating, the psychology of all this.

00:12:28.000 So your friend Jordan Peterson, someone who I've met a couple of times and I've really have a lot of admiration with, he had a fascinating guy on his podcast who talked about this idea of luxury beliefs.

00:12:28.000 Right.

00:12:38.000 I don't know if you've ever heard this.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:40.000 That's Rob Henderson.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, and it was like one of the most fascinating arguments where people have traded the need, want, and desire for luxury goods, like, you know, nice watches or a nice car.

00:12:49.000 There's still a desire for that.

00:12:51.000 But kind of the true currency of the ruling class is like, what's your luxury belief?

00:12:55.000 Yes.

00:12:56.000 Can you expand on that?

00:12:57.000 Do you find that to be true?

00:12:58.000 I've met Rob once.

00:12:58.000 So I do.

00:13:00.000 That's who you're referring to on Jordan's podcast.

00:13:02.000 And it's an interesting set of ideas that I think is very connected to what liberalism has become, unfortunately.

00:13:09.000 And I always have to say unfortunately because you know my first book was a defense of classical liberalism, which is a defense of all of the ideas that America was founded upon.

00:13:18.000 It is very hard for me in 2022 to say I am a liberal.

00:13:21.000 It's somewhat maddening.

00:13:23.000 I suppose if we were at Oxford with some well-educated people, it would be a little bit easier, but it can be difficult from sort of a broadcaster point of view.

00:13:31.000 But the idea of luxury beliefs is that once the world has been set up so that you're given everything, which is what so much of Americana is about, because it's been so freaking good here for so long because so many people have fought and died to make it that way, that then the liberals, in essence, or the elites, can sort of just believe all of these crazy things that are not true, but it sort of just makes them kind of feel like they're very evolved and good.

00:13:56.000 So a very obvious one in our day now would be all of this gender stuff. 0.99

00:14:01.000 That you can sort of just believe that you, just because you're biologically one thing, that you actually are something else. 0.70

00:14:01.000 Yes. 0.70

00:14:10.000 And that if we could only create all of the conditions for you to become that other thing, that you would live a happier life and it would be more evolved if you could aid in all of these other people doing it.

00:14:20.000 One of the other things that Jordan talks about related to that even, meaning the trans issue, is that, you know, first off, he always says that he has great sympathy for people that have gender dysphoria, which is that you are biologically one thing, but you believe you are the opposite sex in your mind.

00:14:36.000 So there's a mind-body disconnection there.

00:14:38.000 And he's a clinical psychologist, so he has sympathy for that condition in and of itself.

00:14:42.000 But one of the things he talks about is that just because you have that condition, if you think that purely by physically changing your body, you are going to solve all of your problems, most likely it ain't going to be the case.

00:14:55.000 And we know that.

00:14:56.000 I mean, now there are studies after studies proving this.

00:14:58.000 Abigail Schreier, who I'm sure you know, she wrote an incredible, she wrote also Irreversible Damage.

00:15:03.000 That's right.

00:15:05.000 She, she, I mean, there are many studies about this that people think, oh, if I can just make these changes, then I'll be better.

00:15:12.000 But, you know, it comes from within, not necessarily the external stuff.

00:15:15.000 So that's sort of what a luxury belief is.

00:15:17.000 It's that the liberals all seem to believe things like if we just say the right thing all the time, if we just feel the right way and make people think that everything's kind of okay.

00:15:28.000 But in the real world, when you really have to pay bills, when you really have to make things happen, when you have to fight for what is yours, yes, yes, those pesky shackles, when in the real world, when you have to go get yours, when you have to fight for something, fight for freedom, fight for whatever it is that is within you that you're trying to attain, you don't have time for that stuff.

00:15:47.000 So, we have this whole crew of woosters right now who've been handed the world and they're finding petty problems to fight about while they burn the whole thing.

00:15:55.000 I don't even think, this is my question.

00:15:57.000 How much of it do they actually believe, right?

00:15:58.000 So, like, a luxury belief would be some person in Harvard being like, Yeah, I think monogamy is ending and polyamory.

00:16:05.000 And then you ask them, What are you going to do with your life?

00:16:07.000 Well, I'm going to get married and have children and be loyal to my husband.

00:16:09.000 Like, really?

00:16:10.000 So, do you think polyamory really is going to be you know, or like, well, I think I defund the police?

00:16:15.000 Like, oh, really?

00:16:15.000 You live in Greenwich, right?

00:16:16.000 Like, right, you know, you have turrets when you go to Starbucks, right?

00:16:21.000 They keep snipers.

00:16:22.000 No, I know you are the Starbucks.

00:16:23.000 But seriously, like, if anyone walks out of line in Greenwich, it's like no, it's these crazy.

00:16:28.000 Look, look, why does Pelosi, why does Biden, Kamala Harris, why do all of these people who are super wealthy who live in elite communities, and then they go for defunding the police?

00:16:38.000 And who does it hurt?

00:16:39.000 We know it hurts the inner city people, it hurts the people of Chicago, it hurts the people of Minneapolis.

00:16:45.000 And then, of course, they always figure out another way to blame.

00:16:47.000 Then it's still someone else's fault beyond their own fault.

00:16:50.000 But that sort of luxury, like I've got it easy.

00:16:53.000 That's exactly.

00:16:53.000 Now, I'm just going to sell a set of ideas to a group of people who don't really understand the issue.

00:16:57.000 So, like, the polyamory thing is an interesting one because it's like at some level, when you're in your early 20s, it sort of makes sense.

00:17:04.000 Like, ah, just live for however you want, live for the day, do whatever you want, give yourself pleasure at all times.

00:17:08.000 Like, there's some piece of being a human that at a certain level it makes sense.

00:17:12.000 And then, but you realize over time that actually being with one person is pretty good and building a life with a family is pretty good.

00:17:19.000 And that is what is sustainable.

00:17:21.000 That is what allows you to hand something to your children.

00:17:26.000 And so, what I love about this, though, Dave, and I don't even want to get into it.

00:17:29.000 It's, I don't like the disagreements of like what is a conservative or not.

00:17:33.000 What really matters, though, is like we believe in consent to the government, separation of powers, the Constitution, freedom of speech.

00:17:38.000 We believe there's something worth conserving and protecting.

00:17:40.000 And then let's go defeat these like degenerate woke people. 0.81

00:17:43.000 Yes. 0.82

00:17:44.000 Like, that's the mission statement.

00:17:45.000 Yes.

00:17:46.000 We can set aside whatever the difference is.

00:17:49.000 It's so minute and so irrelevant.

00:17:50.000 Charlie, some people on the more libertarian side are going to want no taxes.

00:17:55.000 Some conservatives want a little bit of taxes, but they don't want a lot of federal taxes.

00:17:59.000 We could put all of that aside to save the country.

00:18:01.000 Save the Republic.

00:18:02.000 Let's just save the Republic.

00:18:03.000 And then we can hash out our differences after, right?

00:18:06.000 We can.

00:18:06.000 And by the way, you know, I mentioned this on the show last night at the live event that, you know, when it comes to this Roe v. Wade thing, look, the pro-life thing to conservatives, this is like the top of the thing.

00:18:16.000 It's about life, conserving life.

00:18:18.000 So this is the top of the thing.

00:18:19.000 But two interesting things happened.

00:18:20.000 One of them I didn't know until the show last night.

00:18:23.000 So in Florida, where I now live, a few weeks ago, they passed a 15-week ban on abortion.

00:18:28.000 Now, 15 weeks, that's three and a half months.

00:18:30.000 That's more, even though I have some willingness for a few weeks.

00:18:35.000 That's further than I would go.

00:18:36.000 I would go maybe to 12.

00:18:37.000 Okay.

00:18:38.000 Now, I get what the, I purely get the pro-life position on this.

00:18:42.000 I'm not denying that when the sperm meets the egg, it's a life, all of that stuff.

00:18:45.000 Okay, fine.

00:18:46.000 But think about this.

00:18:47.000 Florida, which is thought of as this red, right-wing, Ron DeSantis state, they did a three and a half month abortion law and nobody cared. 1.00

00:18:57.000 I don't mean nobody cared in such a glib way.

00:18:59.000 What I mean is they passed it and it was thought of as a compromise and it wasn't controversial.

00:19:03.000 It wasn't on the front page of the New York Times or Washington Post.

00:19:06.000 It was like, oh, here's a compromise.

00:19:07.000 So that shows you that red states are willing to compromise because if it was a purely red state position, they'd have no abortion or it would have the most minor exclusions, right?

00:19:18.000 So that's what Florida did. 0.93

00:19:19.000 Someone told me this, and you can confirm it for me last night.

00:19:21.000 I didn't know this till after the show that Arizona, I think, did the exact same thing.

00:19:24.000 Very similar.

00:19:25.000 15 weeks.

00:19:26.000 So think about that.

00:19:27.000 You've got two states.

00:19:28.000 Arizona, I consider a red state, and I think it will get redder.

00:19:32.000 I think you're going to be okay here.

00:19:33.000 We got to fix this.

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 I know you got some things to do, but I think you're going to be okay.

00:19:36.000 But the point is that the red states are showing a willingness to compromise.

00:19:42.000 It's the other side that's not showing willingness.

00:19:44.000 you tell me when 49 or whatever it is Democrat senators, everyone except for Manchin says, no, we are going not codify.

00:19:52.000 It's worse than codify.

00:19:53.000 Codifying Roe v. Wade would just push it to the federal government.

00:19:57.000 They were going far worse.

00:19:58.000 They were saying unlimited abortions at any time up until the day of birth.

00:20:03.000 That is bananas.

00:20:04.000 So who's willing to compromise?

00:20:06.000 It's clearly the Republicans, the conservatives who are saying, hey, we may not like it, but we're not up in arms over this.

00:20:13.000 What do you mean?

00:20:13.000 What do you think that tells you about the modern conservative movement?

00:20:17.000 Well, what it tells you is there is there's an implicit understanding that we live in a country with people that disagree with us and we are not here to make everyone bow to us.

00:20:29.000 It's a very mature way to look at the world.

00:20:31.000 That's how we should govern.

00:20:32.000 It's almost like how we should govern or how we should live, right?

00:20:35.000 I mean, do you know all of your neighbors' beliefs?

00:20:37.000 And do you make sure that they bow to the whims of Charlie Kirk every morning?

00:20:42.000 And isn't it more sustainable to like not want to actually know that though, right?

00:20:47.000 I mean, it would drive you mad.

00:20:48.000 It would completely drive you mad, right?

00:20:50.000 You would never want to know it.

00:20:51.000 You wouldn't want to know it.

00:20:51.000 Even in your own family, you don't necessarily need to know or constantly be focused on everyone's political beliefs related to everything else.

00:20:58.000 But they've created a cult-like atmosphere around politics.

00:21:01.000 And that's what we have to fight.

00:21:04.000 So that's why the Roe v. Wade thing to me, kicking it back to the states, putting aside abortion specifically, the idea that the states will have more power and you can live in a place that is more aligned with your views.

00:21:16.000 How freaking beautiful is that?

00:21:18.000 And if abortion to you is the number one issue, if that is your number one issue and you live in Alabama and you want everyone to have unlimited abortions, then move to Cali.

00:21:29.000 That's a system that shows flexibility.

00:21:31.000 That shows a system that shows an ability to be amenable and changeable.

00:21:36.000 That's pretty freaking good.

00:21:38.000 So, but what we're seeing, as you well know, is the opposite, right?

00:21:41.000 Which is like this imperialistic mindset from the left, which is, okay, we have unlimited abortions in the Bronx, but like someone in Missouri doesn't agree with me.

00:21:50.000 And we better stop that from happening.

00:21:52.000 And we have to like bring people with guns.

00:21:54.000 We hate guns unless we have guns, right?

00:21:56.000 They love their guns.

00:21:57.000 To Branson, Missouri or whatever.

00:21:59.000 And like, we're going to paratroop in to make sure everyone agrees with us.

00:22:01.000 Like, what is in that mindset, right?

00:22:04.000 I really look, this is sort of, this is where we could roll this back to where we were going a few minutes ago related to Jordan.

00:22:09.000 But, you know, Nietzsche warned, of course, you know, God is dead, but it was a warning, not a promise.

00:22:14.000 It was a warning.

00:22:15.000 Like, if you remove God from everything, if you remove something bigger than us from everything, you leave people with the need for belief.

00:22:21.000 It is so fundamental to the human experience.

00:22:24.000 And then they will fill that with something.

00:22:26.000 And that's what the woke did.

00:22:28.000 And that's why earlier when I said that you have to give them credit, you have to give the devil his due.

00:22:32.000 They found something that somehow became so all-encompassing to a certain set of people. 0.95

00:22:37.000 And then unfortunately, the boomers that we were talking about before, they did not know how to defend the Republic. 0.92

00:22:43.000 They did not know how to defend their beliefs. 0.99

00:22:44.000 Do you think that's the same thing?

00:22:45.000 Do you think there was a mass underestimation of the woke?

00:22:49.000 Yes.

00:22:49.000 Yes, because you and I know this really well, Charlie.

00:22:52.000 Five, seven years ago, when we were going to college events, right, we'd go there and they'd be pulling fire alarms and they'd be screaming at us and yelling.

00:22:58.000 And all we'd be going up there is talking about free speech.

00:23:00.000 And disagreeing.

00:23:01.000 And disagreeing.

00:23:02.000 We would always, not only that, I will give you credit because you did it even before me.

00:23:05.000 You would always say at the events, if you disagree with us, you come to the mic first, right?

00:23:11.000 And then I always, I've always done that at all my events since then.

00:23:14.000 But that's what we were doing.

00:23:15.000 And I would post those videos or we'd post turning point videos that we would do.

00:23:19.000 And I'd see in the comments a lot of people would say, ah, you know, these are just kids.

00:23:23.000 And when they get out to the real world, what do they always say?

00:23:25.000 When they get out to the real world, the real world will show them.

00:23:27.000 But the real world folded like a wet paper bag, right?

00:23:31.000 So what does that tell you about the people that were in charge of the real world?

00:23:34.000 They did not.

00:23:35.000 And again, this is where I put the fault at sort of the liberal establishment, the machinery of the liberals.

00:23:41.000 They didn't know how to defend anything.

00:23:42.000 They put tolerance at such a high level that, well, you cannot be tolerant of intolerance.

00:23:48.000 And they just allowed it in.

00:23:50.000 And as I say in the book, it's basically the movie Alien.

00:23:53.000 And the alien is rampaging throughout the ship.

00:23:56.000 He's killing everybody, right? 0.83

00:23:57.000 The alien is just mauling everybody. 0.98

00:23:59.000 There's death and blood and goo and gore everywhere.

00:24:02.000 But the doctor on the ship, if you remember, 1977, the original alien, the doctor admires the alien.

00:24:08.000 And why does he admire the alien?

00:24:09.000 Because the alien is doing exactly what it set out to do.

00:24:12.000 And it's remorseless and it knows what it wants to do and it's accomplishing it.

00:24:15.000 So he doesn't like what it's doing.

00:24:17.000 He'd prefer that not everyone be dead.

00:24:19.000 But he understands this thing is something.

00:24:22.000 And that's what I'm saying.

00:24:23.000 You have to understand it before you fight it.

00:24:26.000 What else do we have to understand about this woke pathogen that you don't think most conservatives are?

00:24:31.000 Well, the key thing is you can't.

00:24:33.000 We have to get past the point of endlessly trying to rationalize it.

00:24:36.000 So I rationalizing with it. 0.96

00:24:38.000 So I see a lot of our friends all day long on Twitter still, but they're hypocrites and I can make fun of them because they do this and that. 0.94

00:24:45.000 And it's like, yes, there is mockery that is sometimes worthy of it. 0.94

00:24:48.000 And we can expose them.

00:24:50.000 But really what the book is about is now what do you do to separate from them?

00:24:53.000 So A, whether it's what I said before, move to a state that's more in line with your values and defend that state.

00:24:58.000 B, don't put your time and money into the institutions that are coming for your life. 0.69

00:25:03.000 So you do not have to go $100,000 into debt to get a degree in, say, lesbian archery.

00:25:09.000 This is not very valuable in real life, except in a very, there's maybe a very small amount of people that can use lesbian archery as a worthwhile. 0.99

00:25:17.000 Is that a growing industry?

00:25:18.000 Well, there's a certain set of people that it's valuable for.

00:25:21.000 But if you just stop thinking, for example, how about you cancel Disney Plus?

00:25:26.000 How about you cancel Netflix, which I've done.

00:25:28.000 How about you get out of the system and then start building new things?

00:25:32.000 You build things like Turning Point build things, or you build things like Locals Build Through, or you build things like Daily Wire, which is putting $100 million into kids' programming.

00:25:42.000 And if we actually start doing those things, you know what also happened?

00:25:45.000 We'll kind of feel good about it.

00:25:46.000 So let me ask you something, and I totally agree, but I'm going to act like I don't because I think it's more interesting.

00:25:50.000 Okay.

00:25:51.000 So like we kind of go through this kind of moral high ground of cancel culture.

00:25:55.000 Yes.

00:25:56.000 Right.

00:25:56.000 For the last couple of years.

00:25:57.000 Like we hate cancel culture.

00:25:59.000 How dare you?

00:26:00.000 And like now we're saying we should cancel Disney Plus.

00:26:02.000 How do we score?

00:26:03.000 Well, fundamental difference because I'm not trying to cancel a person.

00:26:06.000 So I'm not trying.

00:26:07.000 So Reed Hastings is the CEO of Netflix.

00:26:10.000 This is a terrible guy, this guy.

00:26:12.000 He funded almost all of the ads to take out Larry Elder in California.

00:26:17.000 100 million.

00:26:18.000 I mean, the ads against, every time you opened up YouTube over the summer, all of the ads against our friend Larry Elder were basically Larry Elder's.

00:26:24.000 I actually said paid by Reed Hastings on the bottom.

00:26:27.000 You're with me, Charlie Kirk.

00:26:28.000 Okay, so now I am not saying fire Reed Hastings.

00:26:32.000 I'm not saying destroy Reed Hastings.

00:26:33.000 I'm not saying show up to Reid Hastings' house.

00:26:35.000 That would be cancel culture.

00:26:36.000 What I'm saying is you don't have to fund your own demise.

00:26:39.000 Canceling Netflix, right?

00:26:40.000 So right now, the only reason I watch Netflix is because Seinfeld's on there.

00:26:43.000 And as I said during, as I said during the show last night, I just have to figure out how to get Seinfeld on a server in my house and then I'm out.

00:26:48.000 But I did get rid of Disney Plus.

00:26:50.000 I'm going to go to the original DVD.

00:26:51.000 You got him?

00:26:51.000 So I just need to burn him from you.

00:26:52.000 I don't know how to play a DVD.

00:26:54.000 I go to the TV.

00:26:55.000 Yeah, you just, I don't know.

00:26:57.000 You got Ted.

00:26:58.000 Look, there's a whole room of people.

00:26:59.000 I know, but I don't think we have a DVD player though.

00:27:01.000 Jeez.

00:27:02.000 Everything's on the cloud now.

00:27:03.000 I know I have these irrelevant old frisbees.

00:27:06.000 Well, we'll figure that out.

00:27:07.000 But the point is, there's a fundamental difference between trying to destroy people personally and doing what the free market dictates, which is, hey, I don't have to give money to things that are evil.

00:27:18.000 So Disney Plus, I canceled it.

00:27:20.000 Now, is there a little piece of me that would like to watch Obi-Wan next week?

00:27:24.000 Yeah, there is a little piece of me, but I cannot fund these things anymore.

00:27:28.000 It is a joy to me that Disney has lost $41 billion in six weeks because one man stood up against the mouse, obviously Ron DeSantis.

00:27:38.000 So that's different than cancel culture, which is going after specific people and trying to get people fired.

00:27:43.000 That's very different than taking responsibility for your life, saying, hey, there's a company over there that does things I don't like.

00:27:50.000 They're not going to get my time, my attention, my money.

00:27:52.000 So I don't see a, I know a lot of people see that tension there.

00:27:56.000 I don't really see it.

00:27:57.000 No, I agree.

00:27:58.000 I think that there is a lot of nuance there.

00:28:00.000 At the same time, I think that some conservatives don't even like, hey, I don't want to punish Disney because it feels like I'm doing the Lewis C.K. thing.

00:28:08.000 Or it feels, and I think, but anyway, no, because then you're just, you're on the endless slide to hell with them.

00:28:13.000 Yeah, and I just, I think also the difference is also, okay, there are some extraordinary circumstances where people should be probably canceled from life, like Bill Cosby or whatever, right?

00:28:25.000 But what happened is that we're going to now cancel Dave Chappelle because he says a joke we don't like.

00:28:31.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 And so the question is, what is the criteria as well?

00:28:33.000 But you're also talking about like consumer purchasing decisions.

00:28:36.000 We all do it, right?

00:28:37.000 We all make discerning decisions in our life.

00:28:39.000 Who do you want to associate with?

00:28:40.000 Who do you want to be friends with?

00:28:41.000 Where do you want to live?

00:28:42.000 Where do your dollars go, right?

00:28:43.000 This is what we do as human beings.

00:28:45.000 This is what freedom's all about.

00:28:46.000 So it's to me, the idea of making decisions that are in line with the way you view the world is it's, in some ways, it's the reverse of cancel culture, because then you're supporting someone else that you are, that you're actually lifting up, as opposed to something that is actually trying to take you down.

00:29:02.000 So I, I don't have a problem with that.

00:29:04.000 Otherwise, you know, you're just, you're literally funding people to take away your freedoms, in essence, and I just won't be part of that.

00:29:11.000 Yeah that's, that's such a good point, and conservatives need to get used to rewarding the good guys and punishing the bad guys, especially monetarily.

00:29:20.000 And, by the way Charlie, you know, the other piece is this, is that we're we all do things somewhat inconsistently right?

00:29:24.000 So if you have kids, I get it.

00:29:26.000 You, you want your kids to be able to see a Disney movie.

00:29:29.000 You know um, what's a classic Cinderella?

00:29:33.000 So I get it.

00:29:33.000 We all have these negotiations that we have to go through, but could you have the vhs or dvd copy of Cinderella and not fund the operation today that is trying to tell your son that he's a girl?

00:29:43.000 You probably can figure out.

00:29:44.000 Or we could strip Disney of their copyright protections and open it up which congress.

00:29:49.000 It's kind of, how about take away those extra benefits, the tax benefits they've got in Orlando?

00:29:53.000 That's part of it well, and then the other one is that they get a special carve out in congress.

00:30:00.000 Dave asked where we are streaming Rumble.com R-mble.com, and you sold your company to Rumble.

00:30:04.000 We kind of merged.

00:30:05.000 I guess we merged.

00:30:06.000 We merged.

00:30:07.000 I uh did not take cash.

00:30:08.000 You know what I did.

00:30:09.000 I took stock and you know why I took stock, because I believe in this company and I didn't.

00:30:12.000 I could have walked with cash.

00:30:13.000 We had cash offers and I thought no, I want to be in this fight for the long haul and I think we're going to change.

00:30:18.000 I honestly believe we're.

00:30:20.000 I know we're changing the internet, but I think we're going to change.

00:30:22.000 I'm a partner in Rumble too and I believe in it.

00:30:24.000 I think it's doing a great job and uh, I think it could solve a lot of our problems.

00:30:27.000 The mules example is how, all of a sudden, you don't have to go through the typical gatekeepers and so, something you identified.

00:30:35.000 I think it's super interesting.

00:30:36.000 It's a topic we haven't touched on a lot uh, which is how should conservatives process big companies making it harder to live a conservative life.

00:30:44.000 Yeah, so Blackrock comes in.

00:30:45.000 Blackrock, the 10 trillion dollar company right yeah, they come in and buy a bunch of single-family homes and They rent them back to us.

00:30:52.000 I thought that's conservative, Dave.

00:30:53.000 Shouldn't we support that?

00:30:54.000 Free markets.

00:30:55.000 Ah, the old free market argument.

00:30:57.000 Look, I believe in free markets and I believe in capitalism.

00:31:01.000 And capitalism and free markets offer the best sort of messy system.

00:31:05.000 Now, are there going to be bad actors in any open system?

00:31:08.000 Of course, there are.

00:31:09.000 Are they going to be greedy people in an open system?

00:31:11.000 Of course.

00:31:11.000 But if the alternative from an open system is a centralized, controlled, completely controlled system, we have a problem.

00:31:17.000 Now, we have some version of both of those happening right now, right?

00:31:20.000 We have a centralized system and then capitalism that is being usurped by a bunch of bad actors.

00:31:26.000 But what we were talking about during the break was that I decided about six months ago, right after the recall, which failed, and I campaigned for Larry Elder.

00:31:33.000 I fought the good fight.

00:31:34.000 I fought the good fight.

00:31:35.000 I mean, I tried to save California.

00:31:37.000 It did not work.

00:31:38.000 These people want more punishment.

00:31:40.000 They want to go down with the ship.

00:31:41.000 And, you know, it's sort of thank you, sir.

00:31:43.000 Maybe I'll be able to get away with that.

00:31:43.000 I've got to get George Costanza going down with the ship.

00:31:45.000 They're right.

00:31:45.000 You know, he's all in and he's going down with the ship.

00:31:48.000 I love that you can do the Seinfeld references.

00:31:50.000 Not that there's anything wrong with that.

00:31:51.000 Not that there's anything.

00:31:52.000 Yada, yada, yada.

00:31:54.000 I've, just so you know, as a total interruption, I've never met anyone better than me.

00:31:57.000 On the Seinfeld side of references.

00:31:59.000 Only Metaxas, but I got circles around him.

00:32:01.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:32:02.000 We're going to write it off, Charlie.

00:32:03.000 We're going to what?

00:32:04.000 We're going to write it off.

00:32:05.000 I don't know that one.

00:32:06.000 Off what?

00:32:08.000 You don't know what a write-off is.

00:32:09.000 Oh, okay.

00:32:10.000 All right.

00:32:11.000 What do you mean a write-off?

00:32:13.000 But they do.

00:32:14.000 And they're the ones who are writing it off.

00:32:16.000 It's my favorite one.

00:32:20.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:21.000 Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com and support the Charlie Kirk Show at charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:32:28.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:32:29.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 18, 2022

Woke Pathogens and "Luxury" Beliefs with Dave Rubin

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