The Charlie Kirk Show - September 04, 2025


You Do Not Want to Live in a Non-Christian Country


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Alex Marlowe and Nathan Finocchio join me live from the Bitcoin studio to discuss President Trump's drone strike in the Caribbean, H1B visas, and much more! Recorded in Los Angeles, CA!

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 President Trump bombs Trend Aragua from the sky.
00:00:08.000 Alex Marlowe discussed that.
00:00:09.000 H1B visas and more.
00:00:11.000 And then Nathan Finocchio joins the show.
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00:01:13.000 Music Joining us now is Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News.
00:01:20.000 That is Breitbart.com.
00:01:22.000 Alex, I want to start with a story yesterday, which I love, and it was not getting enough coverage.
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00:01:28.000 President Donald Trump has been very clear that he wants to sh shrink the map and focus on hemispheric dominance.
00:01:37.000 He was trying to end wars abroad and really focus on our own hemisphere being abused.
00:01:42.000 Yesterday, this is this is the MAGA doctrine, otherwise known as the Monroe Doctrine 2.0.
00:01:48.000 President Donald Trump authorized a military strike yesterday of drug runners and drug traffickers of trend day Aragua that were bringing life-ending drugs to the United States.
00:01:59.000 You can kind of see here in a speedboat.
00:02:01.000 They're in international waters.
00:02:02.000 I don't know all the legal technicalities here.
00:02:04.000 Obviously, it passed the muster because they authorized it.
00:02:08.000 And uh they did a drone strike in the Caribbean.
00:02:12.000 Alex, what are your thoughts here?
00:02:13.000 I'm at least thrilled, finally, that we're using military force in our own hemisphere against people that would have done harm against the American homeland.
00:02:22.000 They actually are a much greater threat.
00:02:24.000 What you are seeing on screen are a much greater threat than Vladimir Putin.
00:02:28.000 Those drug traffickers would have killed a lot more people than Russian soldiers.
00:02:31.000 Alex Marlowe.
00:02:32.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right about this, Charlie.
00:02:34.000 And this is just perfect in terms of Trump national security doctrine, focusing on our hemisphere first, which I will tell you, our national security editor, Breitbart News, Frances Martell, uh, she's a Latin American woman, and I'll tell you this hits such close to home with people who've survived of ancestry who survived communism in our hemisphere and have seen Democrat after Democrat and establishment Republican after establishment Republican in this country focus on Europe, focus on the Middle East, and not remember our own hemisphere.
00:03:02.000 Now we're all aware of the threat of Far East in China, but China's in cro has an encrosion that's taking place into that exact hemisphere into Central and South America. 0.92
00:03:12.000 Uh and so I look at all of this as countering China, but let's be specific about fentanyl and drugs and these gangs that are taking advantage of our open border and have created these industries that bring devastating drugs, the type of stuff that not just ruined lives, but ruined families, ruined communities.
00:03:29.000 They come up into our country and we've allowed it, we've tolerated it. 1.00
00:03:31.000 And Trump comes in, one fell swoop, wipes out a bunch of them, sends an unbelievable signal that if you try to bring this poison into America, you're going to face deadly consequences.
00:03:40.000 It is just peak Trump, and I love it.
00:03:42.000 Yeah, and let's talk more about that though, because it it's for so long we've been worrying about the Taliban, the hills of Afghanistan, the plains of Iraq.
00:03:52.000 And I mean, what what is the philosophical recalibration here, Alex?
00:03:57.000 The the profundity here.
00:03:59.000 Like, no, actually, show me some threats here.
00:04:02.000 And the you notice there hasn't been a lot of pushback on this from the Democrats.
00:04:07.000 There's been a little bit, but deep down, they know that this is a completely defensible military action, right?
00:04:15.000 It's drug trafficking, Caribbean, nothing good that was happening here. 1.00
00:04:19.000 Alex Marlowe.
00:04:20.000 Yeah, it but unfortunately for the laugh, they still have a few people on Bluey, the Bluey app and on X the Everything app, where they do tweet out that this was illegal somehow, because remember, anything Trump does must be illegal.
00:04:32.000 And that's just great because then we get a new cycle of getting a dunk on them.
00:04:35.000 So I love that too, because inevitably someone is gonna say, taking out illegal alien gang members or trendy aragua gang members who are trying to, you know, work with cartels to get uh illegal and illicit fentanyl into our country to kill Americans, that that somehow is illegal for the president to deal with them.
00:04:51.000 No, it's great, it's wonderful, and it's just a reminder that President Trump and Secretary State Rubio is in a good job of this, keeping an eye on our own hemisphere is a big global reset that we've not seen from any other American politician and is very effective.
00:05:06.000 You know, you have to wonder is there gonna be a judge soon that's gonna require Trump to undo the strike of the 11 people that were killed?
00:05:14.000 And again, it's uh by the way, another court is blocking the deportation of trendy Aragua members after we just destroyed 11.
00:05:22.000 I'm all for this, and I I the deterrence of this.
00:05:24.000 Imagine if you are right now a drug trafficker that is planning to go bring in drugs tonight.
00:05:31.000 You're like, man, I I don't know if I want to do that.
00:05:33.000 My my hombre's just got blown up by something in the sky.
00:05:37.000 It is a massive deterrent against future drug trafficking, Alex.
00:05:41.000 Yeah, of course it is.
00:05:42.000 And it's a signal to China that they got to knock it off. 0.93
00:05:44.000 And again, I all roads lead to China with Trump's foreign policy.
00:05:47.000 Remember, they got Belt and Road, they're expanding into South America or that.
00:05:51.000 They're trying to dominate trade by cutting deal with Brazil, Chile, Peru, and they're trying to dominate uh lithium extraction in Bolivia.
00:05:59.000 All of this is protecting us.
00:06:00.000 So you can just choose your whatever you think is the biggest geopolitical threat, and this should fit into that narrative.
00:06:06.000 And that's why the left is gonna have to hold their nose on this one because they know this is a good thing ultimately in the end, but he's protecting Americans and he's doing with surprise devastating strikes, which does, Charlie, to your point send a signal to the rest of the world that if you mess with America, there's a new sheriff in town, and that's exactly what we need.
00:06:24.000 Shifting gears here for a second, just to repeat this though, a uh a two-one decision, U.S. appeals court has blocked the Trump administration from deporting Venezuelan trendy Aragua members using the Alien Enemies Act.
00:06:35.000 Uh, these court stories don't get as much play as they did because we know they'll get appealed and overturned.
00:06:40.000 But this is just yet another example.
00:06:42.000 The trend Aragua members are pumping drugs into our country, and the court says that we are not allowed to deport them. 1.00
00:06:49.000 So just another little item there.
00:06:51.000 Alex, what is your thought on the H-1B discussion?
00:06:54.000 We learned the other day that 75% of all H1B visas just came from India.
00:07:02.000 There's a lot of uproar here about the amount of H1B workers that's 400,000 a year.
00:07:09.000 Meanwhile, they are bragging about how they're taking American jobs and how Americans have to train their replacements.
00:07:15.000 What are your thoughts here, Alex Marlowe?
00:07:18.000 Yeah, and first of all, quickly on the the court ruling, uh, that this is exactly why I wrote breaking the law, which you've been so kind to uh promote over and over again, Charlie, is that this is not gonna stop uh until there's massive reform and there will be reforms.
00:07:30.000 But it's why we need to remain engaged and vigilant because this is their new resistance.
00:07:36.000 This is so much more effective than anything that uh you're gonna see on MSNBC or any sort of Hollywood grassroots stuff like the last Trump administration.
00:07:43.000 None of that's working at all.
00:07:44.000 Uh, this is the only thing the Democrats are incompetent.
00:07:47.000 Jasmine Crockett is nothing like this. 1.00
00:07:49.000 These courts are blocking Trump, and they're all acting as if they're presidents of the United States holding up the executive agenda.
00:07:55.000 It's an outrage, and it's a big deal.
00:07:56.000 Um, but to your big point, which I'm deeply passionate about, H1Bs, I've been thinking about this in a very specific context with these Indian families. 0.98
00:08:04.000 And I do not have it, I'm trying, I don't want to personalize this, make this some sort of a race thing because it's not.
00:08:11.000 Uh, here is the point.
00:08:12.000 Americans are here.
00:08:14.000 We pay exorbitantly into the system.
00:08:16.000 Our parents pay into the system, our grandparents pay into the system.
00:08:18.000 Uh, my mother-in-law was a daughter of the American revolution. 0.91
00:08:21.000 It's countless generations of people.
00:08:23.000 And we all pay in, we have roots down, we work through all of the nonsense.
00:08:28.000 I live out in California, the tax rate's insane.
00:08:31.000 We all go into deep debt on student loans.
00:08:33.000 And then our children eventually come out and they want to get a job.
00:08:36.000 And we look at the visa system and these companies see that there's an Indian somewhere who's also trained who was willing to do the job for 15% less. 1.00
00:08:45.000 And all of that history is just thrown out.
00:08:47.000 The people who have put their roots down, the people who, regardless of their homeland, their nation, their people are here.
00:08:52.000 And we just import people because they're willing to work for 15% less to raise the stock of Microsoft by uh half a percent.
00:08:59.000 That's ridiculous.
00:09:00.000 It should be unacceptable.
00:09:01.000 It should be illegal, to be frank with you, and should be severely limited to extreme to extreme overachievers who are willing to put down roots in America.
00:09:09.000 That's the limits of immigration right now, in my view. 0.59
00:09:12.000 Yeah, and so what what is the major driving force here?
00:09:14.000 Is it corporations?
00:09:15.000 And why is it that the nation of India is so okay with this?
00:09:19.000 Why do they want to keep on exporting some of their best and brightest?
00:09:23.000 What do they get in return from this?
00:09:24.000 Well, I think they have a lot of population, and I do think that they are uh having a relationship with America where we're somewhat dependent on them.
00:09:31.000 I think it's probably an advantage for them politically.
00:09:33.000 And I do think that there's a lot of money that's also sent back by remittances as well.
00:09:37.000 So I I see this as a uh probably overall a net positive for them.
00:09:42.000 I just find it deeply disturbing that we never frame up this conversation, Charlie, in a way that thinks about American families and um the history of American families that have been here and have been dealing with our system.
00:09:53.000 And our system is expensive, and our system in this country, with the amount of taxes that we pay, with the the cost of living, uh, the student loan grift that you've written about better than anyone.
00:10:03.000 Uh all of this it should go into the fact that why American families think that you should be able to get 15% more for these jobs.
00:10:09.000 And of course, it's driven by these uh CEOs, by these corporations, and this is the corporatization of America continues to have a lot of uh really negative side effects.
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00:11:10.000 The great Alex Marlowe is with us, editor in chief of Breitbart News, Breitbart.com.
00:11:15.000 Super smart analysis as always.
00:11:18.000 This is a an incre this is a remarkable story.
00:11:21.000 The President Donald Trump is contemplating going to Chicago after the proven DC takeover model, which is working.
00:11:27.000 This is a local news station that's reporting in Chicago a repeat offender who had multiple arrests due to violence.
00:11:36.000 This is just this is what happens in Chicago.
00:11:39.000 This is Brandon Johnson and J.B. Pritzker Chicago.
00:11:41.000 Play cut 365.
00:11:43.000 According to online records, Livingston's history of random acts of violence against women goes back eight years.
00:11:50.000 In 2017, he was accused of randomly attacking two women months apart.
00:11:55.000 Both cases were dropped.
00:11:57.000 In 2022, Livingston was sentenced to five years in prison after prosecutors said he punched and attempted to rob four women within 20 minutes in the loop.
00:12:08.000 And yet, just 14 months later, in 2023, while on parole, Livingston was arrested for hitting a woman in the face on North Michigan Avenue.
00:12:18.000 And in 2024, he was sentenced to 100 days in prison after punching a 15-year-old girl.
00:12:26.000 Alex Marlowe, that's just one example of many.
00:12:29.000 He keeps on assaulting women, but the left keeps on letting them out because of cashless bail.
00:12:35.000 Alex Marlowe, what is your analysis now of what's happening in DC?
00:12:38.000 It looks to be a phenomenal success.
00:12:40.000 And is it time to scale?
00:12:41.000 Hey, you don't have to take my uh my word for it, take the mayor's word for it.
00:12:44.000 The mayor's on board and additional members of DC City Council are saying, yeah, they're on board.
00:12:48.000 So of course it's going to work.
00:12:50.000 The question is, can Trump legally expand this because of home rule policies that Trump has uh, I think leveraged effectively because all these cities need him, and it is a terrific use of our resources to try to restore law and order.
00:13:03.000 I think that we're heading towards a law and order election as of now.
00:13:05.000 We're far far way off from it, but I do think this will be the number one issue in uh forthcoming elections.
00:13:10.000 And the culture in Chicago has just been total lawlessness.
00:13:13.000 Again, in breaking the law, I wrote about Kim Fox, another Soros funded operative who is the DA there for a very long time, and her letting out 25,000 felony cases. 0.99
00:13:23.000 She refused to charge gang members uh in a veteran's murder.
00:13:27.000 She uh this was uh she was on the side of Juicy Smoulier, uh, the the hate crime hoaxer and kind of laughed when he eventually got away with it.
00:13:36.000 She gloated, acknowledging that he was probably guilty, even though we ended up getting away with it in the end.
00:13:40.000 That's the culture about crime in Chicago, and JB Pritziger acts like there's nothing we can do about it.
00:13:45.000 Well, Trump could prove him wrong in a second.
00:13:47.000 And I think that it is if Trump can do it, he should do it because it'll clean up an iconic American city and it'll make Trump look great in the process.
00:13:55.000 Yeah, and I just again the success of DC is remarkable.
00:13:58.000 Let's just don't take again my word for it.
00:14:00.000 Let's play cut 281.
00:14:03.000 Here's why Democrat cities are plagued by violence, should consider getting on board. 0.89
00:14:08.000 If you look here at Washington, DC at a two-week period this year compared to last year, property crime is down 20%.
00:14:16.000 But the biggest thing are all of the violent crimes, often including robbery, which is down 60%.
00:14:22.000 Homicides are down 71% from last year over this exact same uh period of time.
00:14:29.000 Assaults with a dangerous weapon, down 10%.
00:14:32.000 Yet if you listen to Democrats, they don't care about those statistics.
00:14:36.000 Alex, you say that you think we might be heading towards a law and order election.
00:14:40.000 It's about time.
00:14:41.000 We do not have enough prisoners in America.
00:14:43.000 We don't have enough arrests of people.
00:14:45.000 Our now I I pulled this yesterday.
00:14:47.000 This is an amazing, amazing statistic.
00:14:50.000 So the national this is one of my favorite stats that's never talked about.
00:14:53.000 It's called the national clearance rate.
00:14:55.000 The clearance rate is what percentage of murders get solved.
00:14:59.000 Pretty simple.
00:14:59.000 Right.
00:15:00.000 So in 1965, what if I told you 92% of all murders got solved?
00:15:05.000 The net now the clearance rate's now 50%.
00:15:08.000 What has changed in the last 60 years where we now have a 40-point decrease in the national clearance rate?
00:15:15.000 That means 40% more murderers are just walking free.
00:15:18.000 Alex Marlowe, one minute remaining.
00:15:20.000 Yeah, that's exactly the point that I think that we can take advantage of and try start using to try to clean up this country is that the left has intentionally protected criminals.
00:15:30.000 They think the law, they think the shoplifter vote, and apparently the murderer vote is just very powerful within their base, and they're they pander that group of people for some reason.
00:15:39.000 And they came up with some temporary hack where their crime stats can go down if they simply don't pursue crimes, if they don't prosecute whatever they can avoid prosecuting, and then it clears their roles, but it ends up just making the cities more lawless, and it means that we don't get justice for people who deserve it.
00:15:55.000 So this is an easy lane for conservatives to step up and say that we're gonna be the ones who restore law and order in the society.
00:16:01.000 The left hates law and order because they prefer chaos.
00:16:03.000 That's the whole George Soros model.
00:16:05.000 And uh, we have a huge opportunity here, and Trump is seized that clearly.
00:16:09.000 And now it's time to encourage him to keep going.
00:16:12.000 Alex Marlowe, author of Breaking the Law.
00:16:14.000 Check it out, breaking the law by Alex Marlowe.
00:16:16.000 Thanks so much in Breitbart.com.
00:16:18.000 Thanks, Charlie.
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00:17:37.000 Okay, I'm really excited about our guest, Nathan Finocchio.
00:17:40.000 Nathan is the founder of The OCU and Theo Seminary, author of Hearing God and Killer Church.
00:17:46.000 Nathan, welcome to the program.
00:17:47.000 Nathan is without a doubt one of the smartest and most important theological thinkers of this generation.
00:17:55.000 Nathan, welcome to the program.
00:17:56.000 Hey, it's good to be on the show of the guy that was on South Park.
00:18:00.000 You know, you're gilded free for eternity.
00:18:03.000 You've been knighted, sir.
00:18:05.000 Sir Charlie Kirk.
00:18:07.000 Well, thank you.
00:18:08.000 And you're sitting in my chair as I'm uh location unknown.
00:18:13.000 Uh Nathan, there's so much happening here.
00:18:15.000 Why don't you take a moment to introduce yourself, your work, your scholarship.
00:18:20.000 Uh you are a deep thinker, and you should be taken very seriously.
00:18:24.000 Uh when you say something, I listen, and I mean that.
00:18:27.000 So please, Nathan, take a moment to introduce yourself and your line of work, please.
00:18:32.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:32.000 Uh um, so this is what a theologian looks like.
00:18:35.000 Um and I apologize for letting you down.
00:18:38.000 Um, but um, you know, I I uh I love God, I love the church, and um I think that the church in America and across the world um is doing better than we think, uh, first and foremost.
00:18:54.000 Uh but secondly uh needs needs a lot of work.
00:18:58.000 I believe that Jesus is coming back for a glorious bride and she's not there yet, but she's on the treadmill and she's doing keto.
00:19:06.000 Um and so that's sort of my line of work is just helping Christians think and and helping churches think about the big picture.
00:19:14.000 And um so that's kind of what I do.
00:19:16.000 Uh Theo Shu uh and Theo Seminary Um are how we train Christians to think about things uh and and um think about politics, think about uh the church and society uh think about I mean there's everything people have been saying that that you know um Christians are getting more political, but it's like no politics are getting a lot more theological.
00:19:42.000 And so we need people, particularly Christians, namely Christians to think theologically about politics, et cetera. 0.76
00:19:48.000 So we're not like a political organization by any means, but um but just de facto, if you're theological, you're you're uh now political.
00:19:57.000 So that's kind of um that's kind of what we do.
00:20:00.000 I I want to just focus on something you just said.
00:20:03.000 Politics is becoming more theological.
00:20:05.000 What do you mean by that?
00:20:06.000 Well, yeah, I mean, um every bit of legislation is moral.
00:20:12.000 Every single time that uh a decision is made um is moral, and where do morals come from?
00:20:18.000 Where do you know so they come from somebody's somebody's morality?
00:20:22.000 So whose morality um is the legislature uh ascribed to and uh and and prescribing for the populace.
00:20:30.000 So um so yeah, uh you know, debates about about sexuality and gender and and even nationalism and and um and borders and and crime, uh these are theological issues, and um they're profoundly theological.
00:20:46.000 I I follow a um uh a black uh pastor named Jamal Bryant um on Instagram, who is like a a devout uh you know Democrat and um and he believes he would say the exact same thing, um, you know, that uh politics are um they're theological um because they have to do with people.
00:21:09.000 And if you're speaking about people, people are moral moral beings and and um every policy affects somebody's life in in a s in a certain way.
00:21:17.000 So um that that's what I mean by that.
00:21:20.000 So so what then should how the ch how should the church act and operate in the political arena?
00:21:27.000 Should the church care about politics?
00:21:29.000 Should the church care about culture?
00:21:31.000 What do you have to say to pastors that say I don't get involved in that stuff?
00:21:34.000 I don't get involved in politics, I don't get involved in the moral fights, I don't get involved in the cultural fights, I just do the gospel.
00:21:41.000 What would your response to them be?
00:21:43.000 Yeah, so my my response would be that um if your business is people and policy is always about people, um, then inadvertently your business is about policy and you should absolutely be concerned about policy.
00:22:00.000 And um I don't think that necessarily Christians need to get up and endorse candidates, like specifically pastors need to endorse candidates.
00:22:09.000 I think that pastors just need to talk about um they need to talk about things as they as they come up.
00:22:16.000 Um, you know, in in uh I I people often ask me, Nate, what should I preach on?
00:22:21.000 And I should I just say scroll TikTok, doom scroll for an hour, and you will find something to preach on.
00:22:27.000 It's like great point.
00:22:28.000 It's the easiest way to write a sermon is to see where your congregation is sitting and and what they're going through, and then just write and help them and like apply God's word to the the questions that people are asking, you know, both individually and corporately.
00:22:45.000 So um yeah, so I I I don't think that there's any way that you can sidestep anymore as a pastor or as a as a church leader.
00:22:51.000 And once again, I'm not talking about endorsing candidates, but you we have to address culture and where things are at dead on.
00:22:58.000 Because if the if a pastor isn't doing it, somebody else is doing it.
00:23:02.000 The bottom line is that your congregation is being trained politically, uh, you know, through through policy and theologically.
00:23:10.000 And if you're gonna abdicate the throne of that, then don't be surprised when people start believing stupid things and and behaving in insane ways.
00:23:18.000 Yeah, and so but why is it that the church has abdicated its role?
00:23:23.000 Why is it that the church doesn't engage?
00:23:25.000 The church is silent and the church is afraid.
00:23:28.000 What where did we go wrong?
00:23:29.000 Was there a moment in time when is there a teaching?
00:23:31.000 Was there a trend?
00:23:32.000 Was there a creed?
00:23:33.000 Was there a fad?
00:23:35.000 Because the church was not like this 40, 50 years ago, but the church is largely silent on what happens outside of its walls.
00:23:41.000 The church is not fighting for life, the church is not fighting against transgenderism, the church is not fighting for the stuff that matters.
00:23:47.000 So where did we go wrong?
00:23:49.000 The seeker sensitive movement is the worst thing that ever happened to the American church in 70 years. 1.00
00:23:56.000 Um it's destroyed it.
00:23:58.000 Um that's where we went wrong.
00:24:01.000 So what kind of happened was you had a philosophy that, well, you know, the cats out of the bag, people are gonna be immoral, um, Christians no longer have um a seat in public life.
00:24:14.000 And so rather than trying to assert ourselves in public life, we're just gonna make everybody a Christian. 0.94
00:24:19.000 And if we can make everybody a Christian, that's how we can change the nation. 1.00
00:24:23.000 So uh Christians went after uh uh um the the church is designed, so it's a misunderstanding of how the church is designed.
00:24:32.000 The church is designed a to worship God, B, to equip the saints, and C to reach the world in that order.
00:24:38.000 And seekers reverse the order. 0.96
00:24:40.000 They go, We're the church is designed to reach people, um, and then to equip people and then to worship God.
00:24:47.000 And so when you get the design wrong, you get the church wrong immediately.
00:24:51.000 We went we uh when you become a seeker church, and a seeker church is a church that's after reaching people.
00:24:56.000 And there's nothing wrong with reaching people, but you have to have the order right.
00:24:59.000 And you have to the order matters because um if you make everything like, for example, my dad's generation, when my dad, like in the 70s, for them it's like, how do we get God to church?
00:25:09.000 That's the question that they asked.
00:25:11.000 Now people the the question that many churches ask, particularly many evangelicals, is how do we get people to church?
00:25:18.000 And so you you know, you're you're fishing for people, you're trying to that's that's where all the people pleasing starts.
00:25:23.000 That's where, oh, don't talk about this.
00:25:25.000 You know, you're walking on eggshells per c constantly because you're worried about offending people because your whole mission is bringing people to church.
00:25:32.000 And so that's what I believe went wrong, is we became seeker rather like seeker friendly rather than God friendly.
00:25:40.000 And so when you're trying to please people, everything's always gonna go sideways, and that's part of the reason why we become so effeminate um in our teaching and our theology and our philosophy, because the whole the whole shtick in evangelicalism is trying to reach people who ultimately don't care.
00:25:56.000 Like as James McDonald once said, you're just trying to fill your church with tears.
00:26:01.000 Um and so what we have to do, and I believe that this is one of the reasons why Pentecostalism is growing like wildfire all over the world, is because we have to get back to caring about God.
00:26:11.000 Like, how do we get God to church?
00:26:13.000 You know, by preaching the right thing, by worshiping correctly, and the the result will be that people will notice the difference and they'll want to come.
00:26:20.000 Um so it's sort of revival uh counterintuitively or paradoxically.
00:26:25.000 And bringing God to church, not just people the church, that it's beautifully said.
00:26:30.000 You and I have exchanged some text messages on the growing threat of Islam. 1.00
00:26:34.000 How should we think about Islam as Christians?
00:26:37.000 What what is this a threat?
00:26:38.000 Is this a problem?
00:26:40.000 Or is this kind of just you know, not not not something that we shouldn't waste our time with?
00:26:44.000 Yeah, so so great question.
00:26:46.000 Yeah.
00:26:46.000 So first and foremost, you should read the church fathers, read the first 1,500 years of church history and thinkers and pastors on Islam.
00:26:56.000 Like, how did they think about it?
00:26:57.000 So that would be my first.
00:26:58.000 Go educate yourself on how the church fathers, the patristics, thought about Islam, number one.
00:27:04.000 Because what you're going to discover is that they're a lot more unkind, a lot more militant.
00:27:14.000 They're closer to Christopher Hitchens than they would be to many of our modern leaders, number one.
00:27:21.000 Rick Warren.
00:27:22.000 Number two, I would say that I think that we were really naive a couple hundred years ago about real what religion was and I I don't believe that the founders had mislam in mind when they were thinking about freedom of religion you know particularly when you're thinking of them coming out of the European context and the Protestant reformation and you know if you were an if you weren't an Anglican and you're living in England that was going to be problems.
00:27:48.000 I think that they were thinking yeah like we're all Christians here we're all Europeans here.
00:27:52.000 You worship you know Jesus the way you see fit I'll worship Jesus the way I see fit.
00:27:57.000 I think that we have been extremely naive you know for example um you have Richard Dawkins about a year ago you know um any smart atheist like Richard Dawkins would say that they don't want to live really in a in a society where Islam has any type of political power whatsoever. 0.98
00:28:16.000 They want to live in a Christian society.
00:28:18.000 And so um the long and the short of it for me is that you have you can't just say naively Islam is a religion and that's the end of you have to understand that Islam is a political ideology and that is exactly what they want. 0.67
00:28:36.000 So I don't know if I would classify it as a mere religion and then that's where we get into the the thick of things hi America it's Charlie Kirk here.
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00:29:44.000 So Nathan, how then should we treat the importation of Islam into the West? 0.98
00:29:52.000 we would the how should the church react how should we as Christians act and react to this rising menace that is Islam. 1.00
00:29:59.000 Yeah so I think that we need to there needs to be a radical reevaluation of how we um how we characterize and understand Islam.
00:30:14.000 Like we have to, we have to, it's naive to just, once again, once it's just naive to call it a religion and it just ends there.
00:30:21.000 It's not.
00:30:22.000 It's a religion with a political ideology.
00:30:27.000 It has been from the very start.
00:30:29.000 And you have to ask yourself, is this political ideology that comes like inherent in the religion, is it compatible with Western civilization?
00:30:43.000 And Christopher Hitchens and many other very wise atheists and anybody, I think, with a brain in their heads would recognize that it is absolutely not compatible.
00:30:57.000 In no way is it compatible.
00:30:59.000 You know, it's funny to me, bro, because people complain about Christian nationalism and they use this term as a bludgeon, you know, to try to make people who are Christians not vote their conscience or not, you know, not vote along the things that they believe.
00:31:13.000 Everybody else can believe anything that they want.
00:31:14.000 But as soon as you're a Christian, then you're a Christian nationalist and you're a problem. 0.61
00:31:17.000 Right.
00:31:17.000 And, and you, you want to live like.
00:31:22.000 trust me you want to live in a Christian nationalist society.
00:31:26.000 Richard Dawkins wants to live in a Christian like England is a Christian nation.
00:31:31.000 It is like they're like the the the queen is the or the king now is head of the Anglican church like the the English church.
00:31:39.000 So you you want that.
00:31:40.000 Like that's what you want because Christian societies, believe it or not, are tolerant societies.
00:31:45.000 Like that's what they are.
00:31:47.000 They're tolerant of religions as long as those religions are that's what they are.
00:31:51.000 They're religions and and they don't, you know, get into these militant political ideologies.
00:31:57.000 There's not jihadism uh attached to them.
00:32:00.000 And we're we're playing a very big joke on ourselves.
00:32:03.000 I mean, we're watching it happen in England right now.
00:32:06.000 Um, like these the the grooming gang gangs in Birmingham and and like ever the English just brushed it under the rug and brushed under the rug.
00:32:15.000 They're conservative governments, brushed it under the rug, just continue to no no no, you know, multiculturalism and every religion is is fair.
00:32:23.000 It's not.
00:32:24.000 They're not they're they're not the same thing.
00:32:26.000 Muslims are not interested in the same thing. 1.00
00:32:28.000 They want power, they want political power, they're taking political power.
00:32:32.000 And if you think that Christians are restrictive, if you think that Christians, you know, are intolerant.
00:32:38.000 You have another thing coming.
00:32:40.000 You are naive if you don't understand exactly what Islam is.
00:32:43.000 It's more than a religion.
00:32:45.000 I completely and totally agree.
00:32:47.000 And so this totally shifting gears.
00:32:51.000 Is there a revival happening in America?
00:32:53.000 If so, what can we do to accelerate it?
00:32:54.000 One minute remaining.
00:32:56.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:32:57.000 There is revival happening in America.
00:32:59.000 Um it's happening.
00:33:00.000 There's churches, churches all over America are growing.
00:33:03.000 Um, churches that prioritize the word of God um and the presence of God.
00:33:08.000 Those churches are blowing up.
00:33:10.000 I travel nonstop.
00:33:12.000 Uh, that's what I do for a living.
00:33:13.000 I speak at churches, and the churches that I go to are blowing up.
00:33:17.000 Like the church is not shrinking.
00:33:18.000 The church people are becoming more religious worldwide and in America.
00:33:22.000 Like, so spirituality is on is on the on the up tick.
00:33:27.000 Um and the the formula is like it's not a you know, deconstructioned or uh um it unrecognizable spirituality.
00:33:38.000 Um it is a strong biblical spirituality that is rooted in the the ancient church, and that's is I do believe, like I would agree with the evangelicals that um yes, the church is the answer.
00:33:52.000 Jesus is the answer for America, he always will be. 0.80
00:33:54.000 It's not a president, it's Jesus Christ, but the church has to be a church that is the covenant community shaped by the covenant.
00:34:01.000 It can't be a church that's trying to build with their own strategy, they have to build according to the blueprint shown to us, and that blueprint is scripture.
00:34:08.000 So any church that is adhering to scripture and is engaging culture the way that that you know the church has for two thousand years, those churches are growing.
00:34:18.000 So we are in revival, and we're gonna continue to see churches like that come uh explode and take ground.
00:34:23.000 Thank you so much.
00:34:24.000 Author of Killer Church and Hearing God.
00:34:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:28.000 Email us as always, freedom at Charlie Kirk.com.
00:34:31.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:34:32.000 And God bless.