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00:02:33.000You know, one of the keys is not only that they stopped the counting, but LBJ knew exactly how many votes he needed.
00:02:42.000And they found this box that suddenly turned up and it had just the number of votes.
00:02:48.000And everybody in that box that was recorded as voting, it seems out of mere coincidence, voted in alphabetical order, used the same color ink to sign in their name, and actually had the same handwriting.
00:03:07.000In fact, archaeologists will tell you that in ancient Greece and the democracy there in Athens and the other cities, they voted by writing on pottery shards.
00:03:18.000And they have come across evidence of old elections in which the same name of the same candidate is written in the same hand on multiple pottery shards in one election.
00:03:30.000So it's about authority, it's about power, it's about money.
00:03:35.000And you're telling me that there are not people willing to stretch the law and circumvent the law to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.
00:03:45.000So absolutely, this is a concern, and the evidence is compelling that further investigation is needed.
00:03:52.000So I want to introduce you to our audience.
00:03:55.000Were the attorney general for the state of Kansas, and you're currently the director of the Armistad Project of the Thomas Morris Society, and you're a professor at Liberty University, which we think very highly of here.
00:04:09.000And so, you've been doing some amazing work.
00:04:11.000I wanted to actually take a step backwards, and just a short answer, if you can, please.
00:04:33.000Can you give us the short version of how billionaires probably bought this election, but in a way that no one is talking about through the actual corruption of how the votes were counted?
00:04:43.000It's fascinating what you've been uncovering.
00:04:45.000Yes, we had a billionaire in the counting room, and America was kicked out.
00:04:50.000Specifically, Mark Zuckerberg, going back to March of 2020, was employing a man named David Plouf.
00:05:02.000Just be thorough, but I want to get to the other stuff too.
00:05:05.000Yeah, yeah, you put up the stop sign if I go too long.
00:05:08.000David Plouffe wrote a book called The Citizen's Guide for Defeating Donald Trump.
00:05:12.000And in it, he said the 2020 election is going to come down to a block-by-block street fight in turning out the vote in Philadelphia, Detroit, and Milwaukee.
00:07:14.000And so what you're saying here, just so our audience understands, a guy that's worth $100 billion, which is just creepy in and of itself.
00:07:23.000I mean, it's creepy because of the amount of power you can wield, especially when you're basically trading on other people's data in a form of surveillance capitalism.
00:08:33.000Would you donate $350 million of Facebook stock unless you knew exactly where that was going, unless you knew what was happening?
00:08:40.000And so then all of a sudden, what you're saying is then they put micro grants and they peppered them around in certain metro areas under these kind of Center for Technology and Civic Life charities.
00:08:52.000These Zucker boxes were created your term.
00:08:55.000And basically, they were also influencing who is counting the votes.
00:09:18.000If you, Charlie, wanted to spend your money on a candidate independently, you have a right to do that.
00:09:23.000But this is actually purchasing the government officials who run the election.
00:09:26.000It's like you going on trial for something, and before the trial starts, you meet the judge at his home and say, you know what, Judge, I've got a few million for you.
00:10:11.000Actually, some legislatures did, but most of it is they claimed COVID made it necessary.
00:10:18.000You have to go into March of this year, this past year, and suddenly you saw all of these lawsuits on the left claiming it's too dangerous because of COVID to get a witness on your absentee ballot.
00:10:30.000It's too dangerous because of COVID to have a stamp on your absentee ballot.
00:10:35.000It's too dangerous for COVID to compare signatures because it will slow things down with an absentee ballot.
00:10:42.000Now, all of it is done under COVID fear.
00:10:45.000And some of it was done by these executive orders by blue state governors saying, we've got to have drop boxes because it's too dangerous with COVID.
00:10:54.000Now, here's the problem with drop boxes.
00:10:56.000They hold tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of ballots.
00:11:00.000So our question has always been: who had the keys?
00:11:04.000Where's the log of who got the ballots?
00:11:06.000Where's the chain of custody from the pickup down to these consolidated counting centers?
00:11:12.000Did somebody pick up those ballots and stop someplace out else, dump a few, pick up a few?
00:12:19.000One, now you're moving hundreds of thousands of ballots into one location, so it's more easy to insert fraudulent ballots rather than having to run around to wards.
00:12:30.000You've got one major center where you could do ballot dumps in the middle of the- And then the second reason they did it is because all the laws require for fairness to ensure integrity that a Republican and a Democrat be at these tables to make sure people are playing fair.
00:12:49.000But now they could say, we've got a Republican in the place, but he's up in the cheap seats and he can't see what's going on down here, but it doesn't matter because he's in the arena.
00:13:00.000Those are the two reasons we had consolidated counting centers.
00:13:03.000Well, and it's also, I mean, and this is something that people have to understand is that any numbers we're looking at here, I think of this as a complete and total outlier as far as vote tabulation and margins.
00:13:14.000This election was unlike any other in the way we actually did the election.
00:13:19.000And so in Pennsylvania, you're not supposed to ballot harvest, but what's to prevent someone from all of a sudden dropping off 30 ballots into one of these boxes?
00:13:26.000All of a sudden, that ballot is then successfully laundered.
00:13:30.000That ballot then all of a sudden gets cleaned as if you're Marty Bird in Ozark, Missouri, trying to clean cartel money.
00:13:51.000You're a professor at Liberty University.
00:13:52.000And I say this intentionally to build up your credibility because there's a lot of people trying to strike down anyone that's talking about this right now.
00:13:59.000And you guys have filed a litigation in Michigan saying, quote, officials brazenly violated election laws to advance a partisan political agenda.
00:14:08.000What did you just file and tell us more about this?
00:14:11.000Well, what we did is we identified all of the actions, and we've got the same suits going in Georgia, we're going to file in Arizona, in Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
00:14:23.000We identified all the unlawful actions by election officials.
00:14:27.000And in Michigan, they unlawfully cured ballots.
00:14:31.000They took certain ballots and they fixed them without following the law.
00:14:36.000And there's some other things along those lines.
00:14:39.000Then we pulled in experts and we said, based on these illegalities, how many ballots are in play?
00:14:46.000And we actually then reached out to voters to see if the results of their voter history reflect what they did.
00:14:55.000And what we've learned is there's over 150,000, 200,000 ballots now that are in serious question in Michigan.
00:15:03.000In fact, I think the number is higher once we made these phone calls.
00:15:07.000So let me give you an example of that.
00:15:09.000We have identified, and I don't have it in front of me, Charlie, but it will be on one of the pages of our filings, a chart that shows the number of Republican voters we reached out to who said they voted, but the state record doesn't reflect they ever voted.
00:15:27.000Well, we're doing it in all these states.
00:15:29.000It occurs in all of these states where they radically altered the rules so that it's very easy, just as you mentioned, it's not only easy to put in fraudulent ballots at the Dropbox, it's pretty darn easy to remove ballots you don't want.
00:16:32.000Can you just give us kind of a more bigger picture view of what's going on here, the litigation you're looking into, and how did this happen?
00:16:39.000How did all of a sudden, how are they allowed to change the way we do elections like this?
00:16:47.000They manipulated fear to achieve partisan aims in the election.
00:16:51.000And we see that in all the rules they set aside and how they approached it.
00:16:56.000And you see the intent also at the beginning in that all of the polling, all of our understanding of how Republicans behave and Democrats behave going into this election cycle was that Republicans prefer to vote in person on election day.
00:17:14.000Democrats prefer to vote in advance by absentee.
00:17:18.000And what you started to see is closing down in-person polling, making it harder than in more than a generation to vote in person, claiming COVID was the concern.
00:17:29.000At the same time, you saw the consolidation of counting centers because of COVID.
00:17:34.000You saw then the radical change in allowing absentee ballots without reason, mailing to every household whether they requested it or not, eliminating things like the signature requirement, witness requirements, and everything else to make it easy to infuse fraudulent ballots into the absentee balloting system.
00:17:56.000And then you saw Zuckerberg money funding turnout in Democrat strongholds by changing government policies to favor Biden and turn out Hillary Clinton voters for Biden.
00:18:07.000All of that undermines the integrity of this election dramatically and made it the most lawless election in United States history.
00:18:17.000So just as you've seen the use of COVID to restrict every aspect, relational aspect of your life, whether you have to wear the mask above the nose or below it, whether it's six feet or five feet, 11 inches from another person, whether you can attend a funeral or be with a loved one as they're dying or get the surgery that you need.
00:18:38.000Just as they used COVID, by the way, the science doesn't support all that.
00:18:42.000Where do you see the scientific debate on this?
00:18:45.000And also, I would add this: the legislature can function.
00:18:49.000These powers where governors saying, I'm not a part of the lawmaking process.
00:19:42.000Well, I believe the man with the wallet.
00:19:45.000Now, I could step back from that and say it's really David Plouf.
00:19:50.000He gave a guidebook to how to win this election that he published in March 2020.
00:19:55.000And that's exactly where Zuckerberg's monies flowed.
00:19:58.000And you start to see as early as March, the scholarly writings on the left were falling in love with what's called emergency police powers, governors declaring the law, rather than having to go to the legislature and propose a bill.
00:20:14.000So you see them start to discuss, you know, we need to use this for environmental emergencies.
00:20:19.000This allows us to achieve policy aims we can't achieve through the democratic process.
00:20:26.000So the left has fallen in love with this.
00:20:29.000And if you go backwards a little ways further, you will see that they were already proposing different type of dramatic emergencies declared by government, specifically regarding the environment, so that they could suspend state law and confiscate property, shut down businesses that they believed were polluting the environment.
00:20:49.000So, you know, this has been a model of the left that they've tried to muscle up with for some time.
00:20:56.000And it took COVID fear to achieve the objective of a national declaration of emergency and state declarations so that these governors can run roughshod over the First Amendment, over the Second Amendment, which gives the legislatures the power to determine the time, place, and manner of elections.
00:21:16.000And I jumped, the Article 2, I meant, and then other amendments as well.
00:21:21.000They're talking about gun violence emergencies and so forth.
00:21:25.000So the model, the design has been around for a while.
00:21:30.000They just didn't have the right crisis to implement it.
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00:22:59.000I heard this from an unrelated source, and I'm very careful sharing things like this.
00:23:04.000A friend of mine in California who is running for office, a friend of his was running for office.
00:23:11.000Anyway, he was contacted by the FBI about a potential FBI investigation into voter fraud across the country.
00:23:20.000And so right now we also have another piece of verification of the FBI contacting Matt Brainard about the Voter Integrity Project's findings that indicate illegal ballots.
00:23:44.000We've retained Matt for the last month, and he is one of the experts that we cite to in our pleadings.
00:23:52.000We also have a mathematician and others, and so he's part of the story.
00:23:56.000And just recently, the FBI did meet with MAP to obtain data as it relates to the project that we've got going forward.
00:24:04.000I will say that there's other law enforcement interests that is happening as well.
00:24:09.000But these type of investigations from the criminal standpoint take time.
00:24:14.000And I wouldn't expect a Justice Department investigation to act in time to impact this election.
00:24:23.000And that's why it's important that we continue to ask the right questions and demand answers, because I believe the evidence is clear that this election should not stand as it stands today.
00:24:39.000So you're saying that there's probably significant interest then into these investigations from a criminal nature.
00:24:48.000I'm afraid that in some ways, though, there is not enough zeal from some of these federal agencies looking into this, especially the FBI and the DOJ.
00:24:59.000It seems like the priorities that a lot of these law enforcement agencies have had have been completely backwards.
00:25:04.000What do you think you're now investigating this through your means?
00:25:13.000I think that if you had subpoena power, I would imagine you would be able to find a lot more.
00:25:19.000And that's why I don't understand why a lot of these other state attorney generals in Republican states aren't looking into this more, but that's beyond me.
00:25:26.000What do you think the path forward is then?
00:25:28.000What do you expect to see in your lawsuits and what you're presenting in court right now?
00:25:37.000What is your path forward for what you would consider to be a victory?
00:25:40.000Well, we've got several suits that are going before state Supreme Courts that I'm hopeful that those states will seriously consider the evidence that we put before them.
00:25:50.000And we intend to appeal their decisions if they do not rule in our favor to the United States Supreme Court.
00:25:57.000We are still developing evidences that we hope will become part of the public narrative.
00:26:03.000And you're going to hear some of that evidence that we will be releasing this week, which causes severe concern about the integrity of the election in several of these swing states.
00:26:14.000So it's taken a while to develop that evidence.
00:26:17.000You know, one of the mistakes we make is we trot out a link in the chain without telling the story.
00:26:24.000And when we put all the weight on one link of the chain, it dissolves very quickly under public scrutiny.
00:26:31.000And as we discussed the last time I was on the show, Charlie, we now know how they did this.
00:26:38.000We know that they first recognized that you can't count what you can't see.
00:26:43.000So they kicked everybody out who could watch their conduct.
00:26:47.000And then they, and we know how they did it.
00:26:50.000And we know that the officials who were paid to do that were being paid through Mark Zuckerberg money.
00:26:55.000And now we also recognize that they determined that you can't steal what you can't find.
00:27:02.000So they identified ways to steal ballots.
00:27:05.000And I want to share with you an example.
00:27:07.000And I forget whether we went over this last time.
00:27:10.000For the first time in our nation's history, you saw blue state election officials doing contracts with third parties giving them access to the voter rolls so that they could actually enter registered voters.
00:27:24.000So who was doing who, like, just, can you just name specifics on that?
00:27:31.000So Rock the Vote, who we've dealt with before, they claim to be nonpartisan, and their idea of nonpartisan is to talk about climate change and transgenderism, open borders, BLM Incorporated all day long.
00:27:47.000And what you're trying to tell me is that Rock the Vote, which is nothing more than a Marxist insurgency organization, had back-end access to Secretary of State's websites?
00:27:59.000I'll give you the front-end here in a minute.
00:28:02.000You know, typically, if you were doing a voter registration drive, like the League of Women Voters, you would fill out a form and they would take it down to the election clerk.
00:28:11.000The election clerk would then enter it into the electronic data.
00:28:15.000And that's important for a couple of reasons.
00:28:17.000First of all, the election clerk's role is defined by a geography, a county.
00:28:57.000I'm saying that anybody with a modicum of computer talent could have populated through the Rock the Vote interface our election poll books with false persons and identities right and left to create voters that don't exist.
00:29:13.000And in fact, we're getting evidence that these voters who don't exist voted.
00:29:18.000And I'm getting affidavits in that regard.
00:29:54.000How on earth did a Republican legislature not know that Rock the Vote, which is a Marxist organization, you go to their website, it's all the same sort of icon and graphics and logos of all the social justice warrior movements out there.
00:30:11.000Were people aware of this, or did this happen so rapidly?
00:31:04.000They do the software on the poll books.
00:31:08.000And so what's amazing to me, Phil, though, is that philosophically, the Democrats and the left have always been complaining about the potential privatization of our elections and democracy.
00:31:19.000What you're trying to tell me now is a small group of very powerful people that don't create anything in the hardware space that basically sell us.
00:31:28.000Not just influence, but they got their way in a plutocratic type way.
00:31:32.000Essentially, Democrats complained for a while about the idea of the Koch brothers coming in and having all this influence.
00:31:41.000And then they said, well, if they can do it, we can do it better.
00:31:44.000And no one will attack us because we control the means of communication.
00:31:47.000And then they used the fear around the Chinese coronavirus.
00:31:51.000And we as Republicans did nothing to contest on this terrain.
00:31:56.000Well, I'll just share with you kind of my perspective from when I served in the legislature.
00:32:02.000I enjoyed working with people from both parties who had principle, who believed that there was a truth, and that truth guided them in their conduct, and their virtue was defined by that truth and their conduct in accordance with it.
00:32:18.000That's, you know, I found that in both parties.
00:32:20.000But I found a majority of people who served in the legislature, they believed just being there rendered them virtuous.
00:32:28.000In other words, that democracy was inherently virtuous.
00:32:33.000Virtue is the conduct of people, not a process.
00:32:37.000In fact, democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
00:32:41.000Unless virtue's in the equation, the sheep will always get eaten.
00:32:45.000So I will say that there are principled leaders in both political parties, but right now, the dominant political theory is if I'm there, I have a right to do as I desire to do to keep me there because my being there in and of itself is virtue.
00:33:03.000And that's what you're seeing play out right now.
00:33:16.000And also, what do you think, what have you learned in the last couple of weeks that has really told you, really informed you of the state of our elections in our country?
00:33:27.000Just give us a big picture update and then where you're really going to be focusing on in particular.
00:33:31.000This was an orchestrated and concerted effort to dramatically and improperly influence this election for a specific result that was manifested through something we've never seen before.
00:33:46.000And that's private-public partnerships that shared sensitive data on individual citizens with the private sector so that they would have front door access to manipulate the election.
00:33:57.000And that was played out and funded by a billionaire who not only is engaged now in censorship and that he believes we are too stupid to understand the truth, so he has to protect us from ourselves.
00:34:10.000He's also now playing a role in how we choose our leaders.
00:34:14.000That money was teamed up with other funds from Google and big tech to directly purchase election officials in managing the election, creating a two-tier election system, one making it easy, almost impossible for Democrats not to vote, and one making it difficult for Republican areas to vote.
00:34:35.000Those things combined violate equal protection, and the Supreme Court needs to take up that case.
00:34:40.000And if the case gets to them in that fashion, they will act because it is wrong.
00:36:27.000Get this relationship strong, and he'll lead you in all other things of other relationships.
00:36:34.000So I know this might be bold to say, because I want to stand for this country and all the truths and all the beauty involved in it, but I don't place my hope there.
00:36:51.000And I want you to come back on our program as you continue to march the litigation through this process.
00:36:57.000And I just have to say, what you are doing right now through trying to uncover how people that have 12-figure net worth are influencing our entire republic is so critical because that's a part of this that no one is talking about, about how they have $100, $130, $140 billion in net worth.
00:37:23.000And now they say, shut up, citizen and little person.
00:37:26.000I want to now be able to tell you what to think.
00:37:31.000And that will be the death of America if we don't rise up against it.
00:37:34.000And isn't it amazing that Donald Trump, the person they said was the billionaire candidate, had money from the plutocrats being spent against him.
00:37:45.000It only confirms everything we've been talking about here for quite some time.
00:37:48.000Phil, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
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