00:00:37.080Yeah, well I'm so glad we connected behind the scenes.
00:00:39.400It's always fun to meet another YouTuber and another social media content creator.
00:00:45.480It is cool. It's nice to feel like you're not the only one out there.
00:00:50.580I feel like so much of the time we follow people and we see people and we're like, oh, this is nice.
00:00:54.420But we never get to connect on a personal level.
00:00:57.880So the fact that we've been able to do that is great.
00:01:00.720And then when I look at your content, I view it as like, oh, this is the stuff my friend is putting out versus just like another face on the internet.
00:01:06.600So it feels, it feels personal. It feels good. I like it.
00:01:10.360Yeah, right. And it's like, oh, I get to like this friend of mine's content and I know I'm supporting them.
00:01:19.040So I want to have you introduce yourself to my subscribers and tell them a little bit about how you got started on YouTube.
00:01:26.340And then what your message is for your followers, because you've kind of had this whole journey, this transition in a lot of different ways.
00:01:46.980I was still living at home and I grew up in a homeschool family.
00:01:51.280So everything that I did, I was always grouped with another sibling or all of them.
00:01:56.820So if one of us worked at McDonald's, someone else did.
00:01:59.740If one of us was doing art or dance, someone else was.
00:02:02.460If someone was skiing, another person was snowboarding beside them.
00:02:05.520And I just, I had this desire to do something different.
00:02:10.020I've always been kind of a creative, crafty person as well.
00:02:13.720So I was like, how can I, how can I do something different, be crafty and just kind of really keep this as my own, something that I can invest myself in.
00:02:22.380So I started doing YouTube before YouTube was even like a big platform.
00:02:26.360Like there was other video platforms that were so much bigger than YouTube, but I looked at it and I was like, oh, this is beautiful.
00:02:33.040And it's something that I started off with a lot of kind of like outward appearance.
00:02:45.620And then as time went on and I got married and I had kids, it totally flipped to something that was less about what we looked like and more about the heart and like what we did and sharing my ordinary life.
00:02:58.520I guess what I really want to put out to my followers is that I'm sharing my ordinary.
00:03:04.400I'm not doing anything wickedly fancy or doing anything just for the sake of showing it on social media.
00:03:11.360My life is ordinary and I feel like that's what people enjoy.
00:03:16.280And that's, that's really what I want to put out to my following is I don't want people to look at me and go, wow, she's glamorous and all this stuff.
00:03:25.720The message I want to put forward is I have an ordinary life and this is how I find joy in it.
00:03:32.340And I feel like a lot of people can appreciate that.
00:03:36.980So this reminds me of a movie that I, I personally really like called About Time and the ending.
00:03:43.640He talks about how it's like his ordinary, extraordinary life, just that having an ordinary life.
00:03:49.260Like, and in the movie, it's not about this, but I think for us it is, you know, living an ordinary life in service of God makes it extraordinary.
00:03:58.020I mean, it gives value to everything we do.
00:04:00.680And, and that's what I, that's what I love is, is, is having just honestly this normal, ordinary, I do dishes and I take care of kids, but there's value in what I do because it's, it's, yeah, it's for, it's for God's glory.
00:04:23.380And I know that so many people need to see that on the internet because we see so many people who are showing off how amazingly fancy their lives are, or just showing all of the like perfection and this pursuit of perfection.
00:05:16.780But I, I highly recommend it for young people.
00:05:19.660So when, uh, when I got married, I was 19 and me and my husband kind of had it made up like, Oh, we'll give ourselves a couple of years before having kids.
00:05:28.840And there was, uh, like older couples around us that were, uh, just married and they decided we're going to travel.
00:05:36.400We're going to do all this stuff before we have kids.
00:05:38.680And me and Kieran realized really early on that, uh, we didn't have the means of traveling.
00:05:45.040We didn't have the time to do it and we didn't have the money to do it.
00:05:47.520And, um, I, I remember not even wanting to be like all these other people and, uh, traveling and doing all this like really beautiful stuff together.
00:05:59.240I remember not wanting that, but praying and being like, Lord, what do you, what do you want from me?
00:06:04.960Because I, I need something here and I'm missing something here.
00:06:07.440So very early on, we realized because we didn't have the means to, to travel and do all this fancy stuff, we have the means to be really young parents and be cool young parents.
00:06:17.920So that was, uh, something that was really laid on my heart and then also Kieran's heart as well to be young parents.
00:06:25.960And the interesting thing about it is I wasn't looking at any of my friends going, Oh, you're a young mom.
00:06:33.860I was the only married and young mom in my friends group.
00:06:38.960So there was no sort of, I liked the idea of being a young mom.
00:06:43.360Cause I can be a young mom with my friend.
00:06:45.040And it was really like when I decided and the Lord laid it on my heart to be a young mom, it was like, Oh no, in so many ways, because I knew I was going to be lonely and I knew it was going to be a hard transition.
00:06:58.920But I also know, honestly, my entire growing up years, I was the mom.
00:07:05.140I remember someone telling me that I wasn't the oldest sibling.
00:07:08.100So I have two older brothers and a younger sister.
00:07:10.280And for years I thought I was the oldest sibling out of all of them because I naturally just had this mothering, like nurturing heart and I want to take care of things.
00:07:20.080And, uh, I also want to have control over things.
00:07:22.560So the idea of being a young mom was like, wow.
00:07:25.180And, and, uh, but I remember a woman coming up to me at our church and being like, you realize you're not the oldest sibling, like out of your siblings.
00:07:38.660So the idea of becoming a young mom made sense, money-wise, time-wise, and also just, I love the idea of pouring out my heart to not just children, but my children.
00:07:53.220This felt, uh, like something that would be extremely fulfilling.
00:07:57.280And it was something that Kieran was really excited about too.
00:08:01.000So the idea of being a young mom, the more I thought about it, the more, the less I had to think about it just because it was so obvious, uh, of a decision to make.
00:08:12.420So we literally, we got married and a year later I had my daughter, Ivy at the age of 20.
00:08:20.300It's so funny because I talked to my husband about this, Jacob, and to my mom about it, honestly, the idea that I think we live in a culture that encourages people to like do all this fun stuff, fun stuff.
00:08:35.080I put in quotations as if parenting isn't fun, but like this fun stuff while they're young, like travel the world, spend your money in kind of a frivolous way.
00:08:44.280And my perspective on that has totally shifted as I realized, why don't we encourage people like while they're in their healthy, young, trying to save money years, why don't we encourage them to like be young parents?
00:08:59.400And in, you know, you can pull an all nighter when you're 20 and it doesn't kill you in the same way it does when you're 37, right?
00:09:05.840So like if you have a baby at 37, it's a lot harder than when you're 20.
00:09:09.240Right. And, you know, at that time, you're not thinking about how you can't spend, you know, a certain amount of money because you need to save for a house, for example.
00:09:19.420You're doing everything at the time, like when you're young.
00:09:22.340And then by the time you're in your 50s, 60s, your kids are grown, they're in college, they're getting married, they're having children.
00:09:27.560That's when you can spend your money a little bit more frivolously because you don't have to worry about those costs and you're not stressing about those costs anymore.
00:09:34.120That's right. Me and Kieran always say, we're going to be such cool young grandparents.
00:09:40.380Like, and I think it was my sister, Rachel, who recently said, she said, if your daughter Ivy is anything like you, you'll be a grandma in less than 14 years, in less than 14 years.
00:09:52.800And that is insane to me. But I love the idea of all the kids being out of the house and me and Kieran are still young and we still get to enjoy each other.
00:10:02.040And then we also get to witness our kids becoming parents and then those kids becoming parents, right?
00:10:08.520So I feel like because we started earlier, we get to live our lives in a very different way than people who started later.
00:10:15.860And a lot of people will choose to start later.
00:10:19.060And there's so many people that wish they could have started sooner and they weren't able to.
00:10:24.940So like there's grace there, but I highly recommend if you can get married young and can have kids young, do it, but also be very, very intentional with who you choose to do that with.
00:10:39.280Yeah, I think that's great advice. I love that.
00:10:41.700So one of the things I got, I got to ask, because I actually, before we knew each other, a friend of mine and I used to watch your videos and we would talk about you homeschool, create content, you raise your kiddos, you're a wonderful wife.
00:11:01.120How do you manage it all? How do you keep all of the plates in the air? As a mom, as a mom of only one little toddler, I'm trying to create content.
00:11:11.040I'm still like, I've never vacuumed. Like I've never washed a dish. I just don't have time to do anything.
00:11:17.780So I'm, I'm always wondering how do people like you get it all done?
00:11:26.980It's not, it's not easy. And I think so many people look at my life and they're wanting that easy explanation of like, oh, the X, Y, and Z. And that's, that's not what it is at all.
00:11:36.280Um, when it comes down to it, scheduling is huge for me. Uh, I have a lot of friends who will, uh, be like, oh, Sarah, I wish, I wish you could just do things last minute.
00:11:47.760And I just can't like, they know if they, Hey, last minute, you want to go here? Want to do this? I absolutely can't because my whole week, maybe my whole month is really rigorously scheduled out.
00:11:58.320Uh, it's also finding, uh, joy and saying no to people for the sake of my own, uh, mental health, for the sake of my kids, my husband and, and how our home works.
00:12:08.840Um, and you know what, there was that time of YouTube where I was thriving and doing great. And then all of a sudden I felt, um, overly busy and preoccupied with it.
00:12:21.900And in my heart, let me adjust my earpiece in my heart. I felt, um, a pull, uh, towards my kids. And I felt kind of embarrassed and ashamed about the amount of time that I was starting to put into YouTube and forgetting about my kids.
00:12:38.740So I, I had to learn to actually say no to YouTube. So, so many people are like, oh, I can say no to this and that. Um, and those are small things.
00:12:47.520But for me, I have, I've learned to say no to big things in order to make my life work, uh, properly and, and to love on my family properly.
00:12:56.300But I mean, say no to things. Scheduling is huge. Um, raising independent children is huge as well.
00:13:03.840I recently saw a comment on one of my videos talking about like, how do you get your kids to not be on you all the time? And you're like, mom, hold me, hug me, touch me, be with me.
00:13:13.720And, uh, and it just comes down to raising independent kids. And, uh, I also learned very early on that the more that I reach out to my kids, the less they will rely on themselves to reach out to me.
00:13:25.160So basically what that is, is if, if you're not reaching out to your kids enough, they're going to be here all the time, all around you because they're going, I have to rely on my two year old, three year old, four year old self to get my mom's attention.
00:13:40.600When really what we can be doing for our kids is I'm going to give you the attention that you need.
00:13:46.320And they won't feel like they have that obligation to reach out because you're doing it first. Uh, and that's a huge key to raising independent kids is I'm here for you. And I'm going to let you know that first.
00:13:59.460So you don't have to be around me all the time looking for that type of security and attention. So my, and my kids are amazing, but I did, I did have to leave YouTube for the sake of them.
00:14:10.940And then Kieran also had to leave his job and start working at home with us so we could continue this. So our lives are very different. It's not traditional, but we try to honor the Lord through it. And also just really love on each other as a family and take care of these kiddos. It's wild.
00:14:28.140I will tell you my every day is so wild and so busy. Uh, but I love it. I really, really love it. And it's changing all the time because I have ages from seven to newborn. So they're all in, in different stages, but yeah, it's, it's crazy, but I love it.
00:14:46.000I love that. No, I mean, I think that it is so important to keep a schedule. And also I love exactly what you're saying about, about reaching out to your kids. So they don't have to feel like they have to reach out to you first.
00:14:57.240I, I, I try with my son to, um, kind of build into our day moments where I'm totally focused on him, even at this age where I'm like, let's read a book. And he's like, does read a book mean I ripped the book? And I'm like, okay, sure.
00:15:13.120Does that, whatever, whatever you need for us to feel like we're spending time together. And a lot of the time that just means it's very interesting because you would think it means like really interactive play.
00:15:25.660That, that would make him feel like he's getting enough attention from me. But often it's just, I, you know, this is him speaking. I want to play while mommy sits here and just watches.
00:15:36.400Like I, I, I, he doesn't want to roll a ball back and forth necessarily. He wants to play while I just am there with him and not on my phone and not doing anything else. And that is such an interesting way to look at things. And I think also I've had to learn that so much of parenting, I think we put a lot of pressure on ourselves in the modern era to entertain our children, as opposed to have them come along with us with what we're doing.
00:16:02.660So I built him like a little stool to help me at the counter. And instead of saying, okay, you go over there and do something else. And I know, I know he's a baby, but I still want him to be involved. So I was like, okay, yeah, you're going to play with the pieces while I'm building things.
00:16:16.460For sure. I know if, if we welcome our kids to do things alongside us, then they'll always feel like they're there and they're always involved. And like, I have random jars of old kidney beans and rice and whatever. And if I am making something and I, maybe I don't want my kids to touch it.
00:16:34.940I will have my bowl of things that I'm actually doing in the kitchen that will be for dinner or whatever. And, uh, I will have my one and a half year old beside me on a stool and she has dried beans and she is mimicking what I'm doing.
00:16:48.180They just want to be close and they want to be involved and they want to also know that they're welcome to do so. Um, the worst thing I feel like you can do as a parent is go to your room, go to your room and then close the door.
00:16:59.740And they're by themselves. Um, our kids learn and heal and grow when they're right beside us. And if they know they're welcomed right beside us pretty much constantly, they won't feel like they have to be beside us constantly because in the back of their minds, they know, Hey, whenever I need be by mama or Peppa or even each other as siblings, uh, I have the ability to do so. So yeah, that's how it is.
00:17:25.280I love it. Okay. Let's talk about embracing femininity because, you know, you, I would say your fashion and style is a little bit different than like typical femininity, but you are an incredibly feminine person, an incredibly feminine woman. So what does femininity look like to you?
00:17:44.640Yeah, I, I, um, I've had a lot of people be like, well, you don't look very girly to me. And, and I think, I think femininity is really, it's a heart thing there. I have a friend and, um, she has a full on shaved head. She's like six foot three and she wears, she wears very, uh, masculine looking clothes, but she's one of the most feminine people that I know.
00:18:11.000And that's, that comes really from her heart and how she takes care of her family and on all this stuff. But I mean, femininity to me personally is, is a nurturing heart. Uh, and I know we're going to talk about Exodus in a little bit and I'm excited about that.
00:18:27.180But I think, uh, the, the women in the beginning thinking about, uh, the Hebrew midwives and, uh, Moses mother and his, uh, his sister Miriam and even Pharaoh's own daughter, what sets them apart is their nurturing hearts.
00:18:43.720Like, honestly, you see that with Miriam taking care of Moses and the mother as well and the Hebrew midwives and right down to Pharaoh's own daughter. There is something, uh, that defines a female in, in, in a very different way than, than male. And it's, it's a nurturing heart.
00:19:02.420And you see an exodus that nurturing, loving mothering heart saves and it is powerful and beautiful and is strong. And too many people look at femininity and see it as being something very weak.
00:19:15.880And therefore they don't want to be involved and they push themselves away from it. Where for me, I'm like, this is strength and not like girl boss, girl power. Not like that, but this is an inward beauty that too many people, uh, push aside or degrade. So for me, femininity is such a hard thing. And, uh, and I know some girls that dress so girly to the nines, like crazy, but there's not an ounce of femininity in them.
00:19:45.700You know what I mean? So for me, it's that nurturing mothering. I want to take care of you and protect you and love on you kind of heart beyond just your own kids and your own family. Yeah. And you're so feminine. Like I look at you and I'm like your hair, like you're so feminine outwardly, but it's, it's all the more so inwardly that I, that I see it of you and the content you create and how you love on your family.
00:20:10.300And it's beautiful, but it has to be focused inward because outward doesn't matter that it's the inward. And I, and I see that in you and I love that.
00:20:20.800I, uh, I totally agree. And it's something that I, I've had to change and grow over time because initially I was very, I was like you, you kind of described how your first videos on your channel were much more like outwardly focused and mine were too.
00:20:35.240And I talked a lot about kind of the classic look a lot of the time. And I actually had to make a video just a couple of weeks ago about how classic sort of changes over time and how a lot of it becomes a lot more focused on.
00:20:50.440Being the kind of person people can depend on and how you can embrace femininity in different ways. Uh, but I do think that it's a hard thing. I totally agree with you. So here's my question.
00:21:01.820What's your best piece of advice for young women who are dating and how can they embrace their femininity before and that nurturing quality in that stage of life when you're single?
00:21:14.840I mean, those are two different questions, really? How do you like dating advice? And then also just how to embrace femininity when you're single and that nurturing nature?
00:21:22.940Yeah, because it's hard because that's why so many girls get a puppy or a cat because, because that they have that natural inclination of like, I'm just going to take care of you.
00:21:33.320Um, but I mean, embracing femininity when you're single, I wouldn't say is a hard, but you have to, uh, maybe look for it or, or build yourself up in it.
00:21:47.780So like before I got married, I was already working towards being a good homemaker and, and that, that looks different for everyone.
00:21:57.280For me, a priority in being a good homemaker was, um, organizing and knowing how I would lay things out and cooking and, and also just being, I don't want to say like an appealing person to be around, but someone that, that Kieran would enjoy coming home to.
00:22:13.480So again, it's working in, uh, your heart when it comes to that stuff.
00:22:17.560But I mean, like, you know what, girl, my advice, my advice for, for these young ladies going out and dating is stop dating men that you wouldn't be proud to have, uh, as your own son.
00:22:29.900There are so many women out there that are dating absolute scum and these horrible guys.
00:22:39.560And my question is, would you be proud of this man that you're dating if he was your son?
00:22:45.500And the answer most of the time is no, I wouldn't be proud because he talks like this.
00:23:02.920Um, dating can also, I know a lot of people look at it as being super casual, but to myself, uh, you're given little pieces of your heart out.
00:23:11.900So be intentional when it comes to who you're dating.
00:23:14.480I only ever dated one person and now I'm married to him and have carried five of his children.
00:23:19.360So, um, so I was very, very, very careful and, and I'm so thankful that I was, but yeah, when it comes to whoever you're dating, just be thoughtful about it.
00:23:29.020Is this the kind of person you would want to raise your daughters, you know, like think this stuff through because this stuff is important and dating is not the only way that you can get to know someone as well.
00:23:40.100There's other ways you can get to know people without having to break off little pieces of your, of your beautiful heart, uh, and sacrificing them in, in honestly, really sad ways.
00:23:53.760I love it. I love it. And it's a different perspective than I've heard before, because usually you hear don't date some, at least for me, my advice is usually don't date someone that you wouldn't want to be the father of your children.
00:24:07.180That's right. That's right. Hi, Elizabeth is here. What your phone, your lip gloss.
00:24:13.120Oh, your phone. Hey, go see if Papa can find your phone and your lip gloss, which is not real lip gloss, because I do not let my three-year-old wear lip gloss.
00:24:36.720Loving parenthood. I love it. My baby is on a walk with his dad so that he can take a nap because he wouldn't go down before this, uh, for this recording. So, you know,
00:24:50.060You have to do what you have to do, especially when you work from home. The amount of, uh, the amount of prep that just goes into you trying to make content where your kids aren't hanging off the walls is insane.
00:25:01.740So, are you back? Hold on. Let me text. Oh, it's a different one. If you have lots of kids, this will happen. Here, let me text Kieran. Here, come on out. Come on out. And don't, hey, Calvin, and don't go in your room just because Edmund is sleeping.
00:25:43.620Okay, so for our faith talk, before we get into it, I wanted to ask you, how do you engage with your faith each and every day? Like, what's something you do every day to engage with your faith?
00:25:54.700Um, it's, you know what I realized is growing up, my faith was, make sure you read your Bible in the morning, and then it was done. And, and it was a, my faith growing up was a checklist.
00:26:09.080Oh, I did this and check it off. And, and, you know, that is a bad thing. I know some people are like, Oh, that's not a bad thing, because you're still reading your Bible. I'm like, No, no, no, that was a bad thing.
00:26:19.600So now engaging with my faith every day is that it's not turned off. And I don't look at it as Oh, checkmark is done. It is a constant thing, whether I'm in the word or prayer.
00:26:29.840Um, I love listening to the Bible, I'm doing a read to the Bible listening thing with my church, which is great. And then also engaging with your faith is is made easy and quite beautiful when your kids are knowing about the Lord. And then also when your husband loves the Lord as well. And it's like a group family thing. And you're just surrounded by it and, and worship music and all that stuff.
00:26:57.340So engaging with my faith, it's just the idea that I don't want to live with a checkmark. It's, it's more of a savings account where I'm just continually pouring myself into it. So it's, it's as simple as that. And if you're, if you do that, it becomes habit, it becomes normal. And, and you can't help but pray or read the word or desire it, you could say.
00:27:20.520Yeah, I love it. I love it. So everyone, listen to that, take it into your own lives.
00:27:27.340Uh, so the, what I wanted to talk about today. So every week we talk about, uh, the Torah portion that we're reading and this week's Torah portion in Hebrew is called Va'era, which means, and I appeared in English.
00:27:40.400And this is the second Torah portion in Exodus. So we are getting deep into the redemption from Egypt story. Uh, God tells Moses that he's going to redeem the children from the children of Israel from Egypt.
00:27:51.260Moses and Aaron repeatedly come to Pharaoh, asking for him to let his, asking for him to let the people go. And Pharaoh says, no, and to show God's power, Aaron, Aaron turns his staff into a snake.
00:28:03.460Pharaoh's necromancers replicate the trick, but to their surprise, Aaron's snake eats their snakes. Uh, so that's pretty interesting. And Pharaoh remains hard hearted.
00:28:13.100So one of the things I wanted to talk about, uh, because this is something I learned about in school. And I don't know if you ever focused on this, uh, when you were studying the Old Testament is the verse,
00:28:40.800but the Lord strengthened Pharaoh's heart and he did not hearken to him, hearken to them as the Lord spoke to Moses. Did you guys ever talk about that in?
00:28:49.560Oh, no, no, not too much. You know what? When, um, whenever we went into Exodus, we were full on deep into just learning about the plagues. And I, and I, I feel like, Oh, I really liked learning about the plagues, but there are certain things,
00:29:05.800especially when it came to Pharaoh. Cause what an interesting person, uh, that we didn't look, uh, deep into, but I think just in that verse in general,
00:29:14.840it's like, you are reminded who is in control. God is in control. And he is the one that is controlling Pharaoh here for his glory. Um, but no, we never,
00:29:24.500like, if I could have done a character study on anyone in the Bible, uh, it probably would have been Pharaoh or Boaz,
00:29:31.680because I think those people are just absolutely phenomenal. Yes. Boaz is wonderful. And, uh, Pharaoh is,
00:29:39.360is, uh, so interesting. And so I, I always, I wanted to talk about this verse because I think it's fascinating,
00:29:46.940right? Because this is the only time in this specific Torah portion that it says that God strengthened his
00:29:53.280heart. Every other verse, it says that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. So why would God go out of his way
00:30:01.680to harden Pharaoh's heart? If the whole point of the plagues is for him to try to convince Pharaoh to let
00:30:08.440the children of Israel go? Like, why would God do that? Oh, that's a good question. Right? Can I call a friend?
00:30:19.040So I, I was trying to think about it and I've thought about, and there's a lot of commentaries
00:30:24.060that kind of think, talk about this idea, but I had an idea and I'm not nearly as smart as the
00:30:29.960commentaries, but I will share what I thought. And then I want to hear maybe what you think about it.
00:30:34.100Cause I think we can kind of start a discussion about it, which is this passage, this verse
00:30:38.420immediately follows this verse. And the necromancers could not stand before Moses because of the boils.
00:30:45.800This is the plague. We're on the boils for the boils were upon the necromancers and upon all of Egypt.
00:30:51.860So throughout the plagues, the necromancers try to replicate the plagues that God rains down on the
00:30:57.320Egyptians. And if they can, it proves to Pharaoh that God isn't real. He's not powerful. Like it's
00:31:03.020not a big deal. Okay. Blood's coming out of the Nile. Well, my necromancers can do the same thing.
00:31:07.160So this must not be that, that cool. Uh, this is the first time that the necromancers not only can't
00:31:14.680replicate it, but they can't even appear before Moses because they were so affected by God.
00:31:20.060Right. And this is the first time that Pharaoh is seeing how truly powerful God is. So here's where
00:31:29.120my idea comes in. What does it mean that God hardened his heart? Not that God actively hardened
00:31:35.380Pharaoh's heart, but actually what it could mean is that seeing God's miracle so clearly
00:31:42.180hardened Pharaoh's heart because he didn't want to acknowledge that there was a God above him.
00:31:46.900And the clearer it became that God was the one doing the miracles, the more he fought it.
00:31:53.820For sure. Because, because up to that point, he was anti-God, you know, he was, he was obsessed with,
00:32:02.080uh, with, uh, the sun God and all that stuff. And each plague is actually attacking another Egyptian
00:32:08.360God, which I find is so amazing. But, um, a lot of people, uh, when it really clicks, there is a God,
00:32:16.240there's that fear in their hearts because they look back and go, how have I lived my life? And it's
00:32:23.040intimidating. And also people are intimidated by miracles because there are things that really
00:32:27.660can't be explained. Uh, a miracle is unfathomable. It can feel awkward, obviously for Pharaoh, he's
00:32:33.980extremely uncomfortable. So, so that whole idea of him actually seeing there is a God, um, that is
00:32:42.480terrifying for him. And also like his necromancers, they are just the craziest people because if,
00:32:49.280if I were them, and if I had that kind of power, instead of when they turn the, when God turns the
00:32:56.780Nile into blood or whatever, the last thing Pharaoh needs here is for more water to be turned into blood.
00:33:03.280If you are really powerful necromancers, why don't you clean the Nile of all the blood instead of
00:33:08.300bringing forth more blood? Like it's such an interesting thing that they do. Um, and they're
00:33:14.200actually making everything worse by, by, by making these plagues all the more so. And, and I honestly
00:33:20.940think they're attesting more to, to God, uh, in, in heaven, but no, what a, what an interesting thing