BOTOX PARTY Ft. MUNA
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Summary
On this episode of Comment Section, we have The Gay Icon, the Iconic, the Legendary, Mauna Woo. Mauna is a standup comedian, writer, podcaster, and all-around badass. She's a force to be reckoned with, and we're so happy to have her on the show.
Transcript
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The first thing I thought, I was like, well, I'm probably gay, and she was like, well, how do you know you're not?
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And I was like, because I tried it, and it didn't work, and I wish that it did.
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But some people tried to be straight, and it didn't, I didn't, when I was a kid, I...
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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave.
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Today, we have the gay icons, the iconic, the legendary, Muna.
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We'll introduce everyone, even though I'm sure everybody knows who you are.
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I've heard it's just so cringe, and I get scared.
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No, no, no, not cringing that way, but, like, cringes in, like, really awkward situations.
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Well, first, before we get into that, welcome to the show.
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We're ready to slip and slide right into the show.
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And I'm sure my audience is going to freak the fuck out when they see I've had you guys on.
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I'm really excited to learn about how to be straight from you.
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You started with your nails, and we're going to work our way through the show.
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I'm probably the worst person to learn from, to be quite honest with you, because
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I think, too, especially, I think if we combine our powers, we'd be unstoppable.
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So, is there, like, a subgroup of men who respond to your content in, like, a...
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Like, they're magnetized to it in a certain type of way?
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I think there is, yeah, I think there is a subset of men that, like, the line between
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Right, like, I know that, like, you're, you know, you're doing so well with this show,
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but I'm also, like, that is a very lucrative, like, corner of the internet, is it not?
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I mean, when I was on Cameo, this is not a joke, that's why I stopped doing Cameo, is
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I started getting requests from anonymous men who were like, can you tell me I'm, like,
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As soon as I got that request, I said, oh, turn it off.
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I don't understand, also, the young people who say stuff like that.
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I did a Cameo thing for charity, and they were telling me to do the weirdest things to
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Yeah, they get real drunk with the power, don't they?
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I mean, like, they wanted me to roast them for, like, random things, and I was like,
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Okay, telling you what to make fun of them for.
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They're like, look at all these horrible things about me.
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But I feel like your response was not, like, turn Cameo off.
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I mean, if I was charging way more than that, we'd have to have a lot more zeros on the
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At that point, I'm losing money doing it for Cameo.
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But I do know if this ever takes a hard left, I'll just pivot to that.
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I'm Capricorn sun, Taurus rising, like Joe, and a Gemini moon.
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I mean, technically speaking, we all have jizz buttons, technically speaking.
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I'm announcing new virgin after all that jizz.
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I was imagining, like, I want, like, a hard edit.
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We'll just say it out loud for you until you get that.
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Well, back to the topic at hand, which is y'all being amazing and so happy to be here.
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For anyone that, oh, I haven't even said it yet.
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For everyone who doesn't know, obviously, y'all are a very successful, amazing band.
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I'm going to, I'll brag about your success if y'all won't.
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But I am curious, for everyone who doesn't know, how did you guys become a band?
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Well, we decided we needed to be so successful.
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We're like, damn, look at these other sexy-ass motherfuckers.
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Yeah, now you're busting out of the seams as a sexy, sexy guy.
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They were both music majors, so they had classes together.
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And we, we had overlap in, in our other degree of study.
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And yeah, we met and just kind of started hanging out.
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And we went to USC, which is like a pretty, I don't know, there's like a pretty homogenous
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kind of crowd of like frat boys and sorority girls.
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But yeah, so we were, we were drawn to one another as you are when you're kind of.
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But Naomi and I dated in the beginning and then like before we had a band.
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And I'll be bringing my MIDI keyboard to the gym session.
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We made a song and I swear to God, both going back to signs, both of them being Capricorns,
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as soon as we made the first thing that we did, we never stopped working.
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But we've had a really, I mean, that was like 10 years ago.
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It's been a really long time that we've been in a band together.
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Y'all come to my show and look younger than me.
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We're now dedicating our lives to Botox and red light therapy and anything we can do.
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So I get Botox and I get Botox you get on the upper half of your face.
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We'll watch Love Island and I'll have her tell me what everybody got done because she can
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So I thought, this is what I thought and I don't, I actually don't want to be talking
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We have a podcast called chaotic and we, sorry, I'll stop lumping you in.
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Um, and I think like I've been trained on that podcast of like oversharing.
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But two, like we don't have any structure like really for the pod.
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So just to like make sure that we have a podcast, it's like, I'm saying whatever comes to my
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So I thought that, I thought this was what it was.
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Because like those are the muscles that if you're moving them like throughout your life,
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But then on the lower half of your face, it's like the lower half of your face sags and that's
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I'm just like, I don't even know where you're going.
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I saw a video on TikTok recently where this guy was like mansplaining to a girl about how
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you shouldn't get Botox like all on this part of your face because you're freezing your
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facial expressions, but your, but your face needs to compensate with that.
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So it starts like using the other muscles more.
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It's like, you're going to end up with getting wrinkles faster in the other part of your face.
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If that was going, but like, yeah, that would make sense.
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I think the main, the, what, what people say to do rather than do any of that shit down
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here is like, do like muscle, like, um, like to, you like exercise your face.
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Like you have some muscles in your face that you don't exercise.
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But the new, the new face, no, the new face, that's what it does.
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I've never had, I've never had any Botox or anything, but I'll keep that in mind.
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If you want to come, if I ever do, we got gifted.
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She's like, I just need to remind you really quickly.
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I have not used what you currently said you use.
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Just like, I don't need it, but they'll come to your house and do Botox.
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So if you want to come over and have some strangers, we have a Botox, Botox, Botox
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If I told someone, can you imagine if I was telling someone, I'm going to get Botox at
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I've just gotten used to, the city is so fucking weird.
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I like when you say Chaka about something sad that's happening.
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Someone will say something and I'll say, that's a very Juna-ism.
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Oh, something really fucked up happened in Chaka.
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Someone I knew once told me, whenever it was awkward, they would be like, cringe.
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If it was sad or awkward, they'd be like, fucking cringe.
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Every time I say millennial, every time I say millennial, they're like, because I don't
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know if they think I'm 100 or if they think I'm like 19 online.
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I think because you're successful online, people think you're Gen Z.
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But she was saying that she gets told that she's Gen Z, even though it's like, obviously
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And they leave me out in the fucking streets, apparently.
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The Gen Z doesn't want to claim us in the sense that they do claim us.
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No, but they think that they like to make fun of us because we are millennials.
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Did you know that when you're doing like a front face day?
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When you press record and it takes you a couple seconds.
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I can't take a second for it to start recording.
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Whenever I've had a millennial pause on accident, I'll literally cut it out because I don't want
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I'll go back and I'll cut out the part where I pause for a second.
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It's just like I've accepted my role as like MILF to the children.
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They it's very confusing for me because online I'll when I obviously tell men to suck my wiener,
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They'll laugh and they'll joke and sometimes I'll say how old I am and they're like, oh,
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And then when I on this show, what I've told people like sometimes they think I'm like 2021
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they'll be like, you don't look anywhere near 20.
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Getting old is chill, but it's like you guys need to take that hate out of your hearts.
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I mean, I want I just want to be beautiful and I totally, but also there's nothing wrong
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with getting old, but you know, the most beautiful population is older women.
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Like with the freaking Gen Z terrorists thing.
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I mean, we obviously we feel it like in a bone interesting way because we are pop musicians
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and I feel like historically you like age out of pop music after like.
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We're barely in the door and we're ready to get kicked out.
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You all look a lot younger than you are though.
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I also do feel like there are like some trailblazers that have like, I think it's shifting a little
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I think we do put pressure on ourselves to like.
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Do you ever feel like you have to, you're expected to like somehow keep getting hotter
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I mean, thankfully mine doesn't really work off that.
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Mine works off me being really fucking mean to men.
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It's funny because one time I got a comment on one of my videos and they were like, oh,
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see, this is what happens when you like, you like pump up women who think, who get famous
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I was like, oh, babe, you're on the wrong fucking profile.
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I was like, my looks were the last thing on the list that made me famous on TikTok,
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I was like, I got big on there for being a terrorist.
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So if I want to talk about me, I'm going to talk about me.
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I got, I actually started by, I made, I was making silly videos.
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I was just talking about random stupid shit that happened to me because the, honestly, the
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weirdest things happen to me all the time, even now in this job.
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And I made one video where I stitched a girl who said like, what are some weirdly specific
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And so I had a whole list and they were very specific.
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Like I said, like if Wolf of Wall Street's your favorite movie, wear a backwards hat in
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the pool, loyalty tattooed on the arm, any sort of clock tattooed on you anywhere.
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So I was like, those are like the worst men in the world.
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And then that was my first video to go super viral.
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And that's when I had a bunch of, a bunch of like people who date men being like, this
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And then a whole lot of men who fucking hated that video.
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A lot of men with, all the, all the women tattooed men.
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Men with, men with a lion's face tattooed on their fist.
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I, I've had a few people tell me, they're like, the laugh is so fake.
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And I was like, well, I'm Samoan, so I'm Polynesian.
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Someone, they're all athletes, but I, they're all on the football team.
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But I, uh, have told people before, it's not exclusive to me at all.
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Like Samoan people, Samoan people laugh just like me.
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Well, it's, it works against me in a lot of ways because when I, when it's really not
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funny, um, you can tell because my laugh is real customer service laugh.
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I feel like my laugh changes every couple of years.
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If I could have changed it when I was a kid, I would have, because I felt like it was obnoxious,
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which it is, but I, now I'm like, now re-pays my bills.
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I am curious to know for y'all, like, how did you, like, what was your first moment when
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you, y'all were like, as a band and coming up in the business, where you're like, I think
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I feel like it only happens, like, maybe one time when you sell out, like, a three or
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a 400 cap room, and you're like, okay, everyone needs to start talking to me real different.
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I feel like it's like, maybe, yeah, like, when we played the Echo or something, where it's
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just like, holy shit, this is like an amount of people that give a shit about us, and they
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all, but, you know, it doesn't matter that half of them went to our school or whatever.
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But then, but then every moment after that, for real, just becomes kind of like, oh, I'm
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not where I, you, you, you start thinking, what's your problem with me?
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From then on, it's pretty much, you're just funny.
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From then on, it's pretty much, I'm, I'm not good enough.
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You can get surprised, where it's like, you can still feel the feeling, where it's like,
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is someone going to come to the show, and you're still surprised that people come to
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It's just like, as they level up, you start getting more and more like, oh my God.
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You guys were at Coachella last year, too, right?
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Coachella was my festival, also, like, growing up here.
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It's like, we're, we're like, pessimistic lesbians.
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The, like, early on, like, when we were still in college, and we were trying to, we knew
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that we had a certain amount of time, like, where we needed to get signed and, like,
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get a check from somebody in order for us all to be able to stay in LA and, like,
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keep working on stuff, and, like, at the time, it was, like, 2014, 2015, so it actually
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mattered a lot if you got posted on these things called music blogs, and, um, and I
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remember, like, feeling, like, when we got posted on The Fader.
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That was when I felt like we're going to be able to be a band, and, like, it was really,
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And I do agree that it's, like, after you, like, get more and more success, um, and we've
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talked to other musicians about this, too, it's, like, there is kind of diminishing returns
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in terms of, like, the chemical experience inside of your body.
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Yeah, but, I mean, but, but you still have, like, I would say that in the last album cycle,
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we had a lot of moments that I really wasn't expecting.
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We, in a way, we had kind of made peace of, like, maybe, we had, like, plateaued of, like,
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maybe we're gonna get, stay at this level as a band, and, um, like, be able to make it
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Um, but, yeah, getting to do Coachella last year and having it be, like, go the way it did,
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and then, like, getting on the Taylor tour, that was just, like.
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And we know our, our good friend and mortal enemy, Caleb, went and saw y'all at Kansas
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And he, he told me, he's like, my goal is to make everybody gay when I go there.
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I'm, I'm so, uh, like, how, well, first of all, how was Coachella?
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Like, that was, was that your guys' first Coachella?
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It, it, you know, we did, I mean, like, how on, like, it, it was so stressful leading
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up because we were also making a music video and putting out a single and we had, like,
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And also, like, we, we, you know, a lot of bands will have, like, um, musical directors
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It was just, like, we're, yeah, we're just too anal, you know?
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And also, we're, like, we're musically literate amongst ourselves enough to be able to, like,
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I mean, the, the, the program at our university that they went to kind of, like, prepares
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So, like, and we have, you know, our bass player and our, our drummer are both, like,
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So, we can kind of normally just, like, work things out between all of us.
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I think the, the stressful thing about Coachella is, like, the scale of it.
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It's just one of those moments that, you know, you're like, oh, people will see this.
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You know, it's not just a show where you can be like, that was, like, a fine show.
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But, if, you know, whatever, we have another one tonight or, you know, tomorrow or whatever.
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It's just one of those things where it's, like, this is important.
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Just, like, it's just a massive kind of situation.
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Also, leading up, we were using, like, this is, this is very, like, behind the music minutia,
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so I'll be fast, but we were using, like, you know, visuals on an LED screen for the
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first time that were, like, synced to our music in a way.
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Normally, we just had, like, you know, a static logo or a little animatic thing that.
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Yeah, but, like, we had, like, a full thing planned and, like, a show flow and we had props
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and shit and, like, that was, I mean, it was just insane.
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We were just getting no sleep and, you know, busting our asses, but it was, like, as always,
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like, huge things never go, like, exactly how you expect them to, but we did have, like,
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We played really well and we were all proud of ourselves, so.
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In the end, like, all of our years of not being, this sounds so stupid, all of our years not
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being as successful as we are now, we're all preparation, because, like, we've been playing
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together as a band for, like, 10 years, so it's, like.
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Like, even if something isn't going exactly right on stage, it's, like, we're going to
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Like, if y'all are vibing, that's all that really matters.
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Outside stuff is nice to have, but as long as the three of y'all are good.
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Then you know the show's going to go well, regardless.
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We watched it on, like, you know, the live stream.
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I'm trying to think of who else played that weekend.
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I was so, I don't know why, but we were, like, right up against the stage for Gorillaz.
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I'm not even really, like, I'm not, like, a huge Gorillaz fan, but, like, I know the music.
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I was like, my ass is too big to be in here.
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Yeah, they're very, like, their animation's a huge part of their show.
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Can you imagine if they were actual monkeys playing instruments?
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I mean, I just think that would be cool for them to, like, transition, you know, like,
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They do, like, a Hannah Montana, like, costume switch, and they come out, and they're the
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They're in my mosh pit, like, when they watch them.
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Why the fuck was I barricade for gorillas?
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I miss, we miss people, and we were like, why did we stare there the whole time?
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It was kind of like, you know, when you're, like, that close, and then you kind of get
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I feel like if you're going to a music festival, like, you really, I really just, like, kind
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No, my plan every year, if I do go to Coachella, is to stay alive.
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You're going into a truly hectic, threatening zone.
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Yeah, I used to go car camping in Coachella, and oh, my God.
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That's why we don't want to go to the festival.
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Well, the only reason we did go was because, well, I don't car camp.
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And we went artists, and we went with our friends.
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And her and I together, we're really good friends, and our big group went together.
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And I remember one of her friends wanted to go watch Blink-182.
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And that was our first time going artists, so I didn't know they had all these back roads.
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And so the carts were gone, and then one of the security ladies was like, oh, if you want
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And we go, that was the worst decision I could have ever made.
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When I didn't do this for a living, I went one year, and I went GA.
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And it was cool, but I was like, I'm never spending money on that again.
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And then when we walked through GA, it was just a nightmare because me and Brittany are together,
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and I'm a huge bitch, and so they can see me from a mile away.
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If I could, I would put my boyfriend in a wig so that no one could see him, or I'll make
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But I felt like that episode of Game of Thrones when he's, like, the battle of the bastards
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when he's being suffocated by the bodies, and he's like, that was literally me.
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Yeah, so you don't really have a choice at this point.
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Guys, please just treat me like everybody else.
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That's the thing is, I don't even give a shit.
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And I'm a Virgo, so I hate being touched by people who don't know me at all.
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Unless you're the most dazzling person I've ever seen.
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You say that you don't want me to touch you, but I feel like sometimes you need a hug.
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And I remember, like, even so, and I'm sure I'm so curious to know y'all's stories with
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these, but, like, with fans, like, God bless them, love them so much.
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Which I, sometimes it's a little too much for me where I have to say something, which I
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Like, I don't want to upset you, but sometimes they'll, like, just reach for me.
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I feel like you're also kind of at a different level than us.
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You're out of your mind if you think that's true.
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We can also be anonymously famous to some people where it's like, oh, they know the band, but
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Yeah, they've heard of us and then they talk to us, like, and then they're like, oh, I
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didn't know you were from that, if we're not all three together.
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Have you ever had someone be like, you look really familiar.
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And then they're like, do I know you from somewhere?
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I was visiting my grandma and we went out to dinner and this waitress was like, kept
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Like, I am getting distracted because you really look like the singer of like one of
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And my grandma was like, oh, well, she she she's a musician, too.
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But like my grandma, like didn't put it together.
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No, my grandma just didn't think I was I was famous enough for that to be a thing.
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The waitress had to come back and like and be really explicit.
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You know, my family does that to me all the time.
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I feel like if I'm in Los Angeles, that's one thing.
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I'm not thinking that I'm going to get clocked.
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Our fans also, though, like I'll say that they are like some of the most respectful people.
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Like it's rare to not like they they respect our personal space and like stuff like they're
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I mean, I think if you like us, you know that we're just sensitive people and they're down
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And honestly, the only people that have ever crossed boundaries with me.
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A lot of times I don't even know my fucking name, which is funnier.
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They're like, yo, they're like, you're like that one girl, like with the laugh and stuff.
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You're going to have to be a little bit more specific.
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And I'm like, I could very well be that person that you're thinking.
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I am curious, too, about when it comes to, like, I know, I feel like you're the song that
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really, like, made you move from purely, like, when you said gay famous into, was it Silk
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So I started writing that song, like, right after we finished our second album.
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It's really common for me to, like, once we're done turning in a record and, like, the pressure
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comes off, sometimes I'll, like, have a burst of creativity because that's the exact point
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And it genuinely was just based off of, like, a lot of my writing is just autobiographical.
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I hate to say it, but it's, like, I had taken some time off of dating while we were writing
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our second record and was, like, getting back in the game a little bit and, like, flirting
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And was like, I'm going to use my rollerblades as transportation.
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I got rid of my car because I had too bad of anxiety.
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In my rollerblades and almost got myself killed, like, ten times.
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So, I mean, it was just, like, it was just life.
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I tried to do some co-writing for the third album.
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So I took, like, the beginning of that song to Nashville and worked on it a bit more.
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And then I sent it to somebody who is in Phoebe's band.
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And her, like, biggest co-writer, Marshall Vore.
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And then we had been, like, talking at the time about, we didn't really know what our future
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So, like, Silk is very connected to kind of, like, also getting signed to Phoebe's label.
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So, like, after, yeah, after that, we, I don't know, like, were we talking about the EP after
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Okay, like, we weren't sure what was going to be next.
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And we weren't expecting RCA to give us money for, like, a full record.
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But we were, like, maybe we can do an EP of, like.
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And then we got dropped and Phoebe had started a record label.
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And then after that, we were, like, well, girl, you better get on it.
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But she would also, she's the kind of person who, because she believes in us.
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And she's the kind of person who would also, like, never say that.
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Because she would be, like, it's because you guys are great.
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She wouldn't put her, like, support behind it all.
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She, I mean, she put, like, you know, she was popping so much at the time.
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Where it's, like, she put more than just signing us.
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Like, she put her celebrity, like, on the line to be, like, be on that song.
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But it was all similarly, like, kind of folky indie shit.
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And we were just, like, would you be on a pop song, I guess?
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So that was, and, like, right after we put it out, we were also opening for her on tour.
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And, like, when we started playing shows on that run, we, like, started realizing, like,
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And then now it's, like, now when we play, it's usually the last song that we play.
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It was, like, your big, big, like, launch pad song.
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So what about, how about the Taylor Swift of it all?
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You know, Taylor's honestly known us for a while, which is funny.
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She put us on a playlist, like, back when we were in London, like, years ago.
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She put one of our songs so special on one of her, like, Apple Music playlists, and then
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she put number one fan on another playlist that she made.
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So we've known at least that she was, like, aware of us.
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And he's taken us out, like, you know, dating kind of way back.
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And so there, we've been, we've been aware that she at least, like, knew of us.
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We were just like, well, obviously we're doing this.
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Can you reply to her now and tell her we're doing it?
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So when you go on tour, you, like, let's say you're an artist that's going on tour.
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It's like, you usually, like, have people pitch to go on tour with you.
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It's like, for this tour, no one gets to pitch.
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And people, I know people were asking our managers, like, how did we get it?
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I mean, she, that, that's really the Midas touch.
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So it's like, I didn't actually know there was a difference between arenas and stadiums.
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But, like, we, we, I feel like we've worked our way up.
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Like, we, we've been touring as an opening act for a long time.
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We've played, like, every size venue that you could possibly think of.
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And I was really expecting, like, to be really anxious about those shows.
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But my experience a little bit was, like, once we got out there, it was kind of, like,
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The thing that, the only thing that I'll say about it, like, the stage is so big.
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We kept getting trapped, not trapped on stage, but trapped in the idea that we had to run
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And so we were, we were doing so much cardio on stage.
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I mean, you just, you just cannot stop yourself.
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So that was, like, the main comment I got from, like, family and stuff that came to
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They were like, I don't know how you physically did that.
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They're like, you look like you're getting a workout up there.
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It's also so big that you don't actually, like, realize how big it is.
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And also, we did, we did a tour with Kacey Musgraves, like, love her.
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Because at a certain point, it's, like, a certain amount of people, like, just looks
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So it's, like, you're trying just to convince them to care.
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People, people are, like, people don't know you.
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They're going to get their, we always say it's hot dog.
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Because, like, this is when people are going out in the stands, getting their hot dogs.
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And so you got to convince them to be, like, drop the hot dog and watch our set.
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They're dedicated to, like, being a part of her world in any way that she will allow them
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So I think, like, they had, a good amount of them had, like, an inherent interest in
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Because it's, like, oh, this is a band or this is an artist that Taylor likes.
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So people did come with, like, open minds and, and had done, I mean, there were, like,
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TikToks back in the day being, like, we're going to walk you through the heiress tour
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Just, like, so you're prepared when you go to the set.
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Like, so you know, these are the, these are the songs you should listen to.
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The show was, like, regardless of us, like, seeing that show and seeing how the fans are
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at that show and just, like, how she performs, like, that's a master class in, like, performance
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Yeah, I saw, I saw her in, in, I think it was August.
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I could not believe how long she was going for.
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Yeah, and people, people are dedicated to the entire show.
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It was truly, it was truly bananas watching it.
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And maybe that's just my stupid bitch brain.
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No, but I was like, there could be a hundred thousand or one million people in here.
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I think, you know, it's just too many to understand.
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And did y'all notice people singing along to every, every song that you guys had or y'all
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had on, whether it was your really popular ones or whether it was just your kind of like
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I would say you could find some people that were singing along.
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If anyone, if anyone, the thing that's funny, and I think about this, like when you do an
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opening, in some ways it's like, if you saw us actually at an opening show, I am so much
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more likely to pay attention to you and like give you personal attention.
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Like when someone's singing during an opening show, because it's like, I'm just trying
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So if they want to connect with you, they got to come see y'all open.
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Do we play hard to get in a, in a, in a room of our devoted fans?
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But you got to remain mysterious amongst your fans.
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But our booking agent has promised us that we're going to be headliners now.
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I was going to ask like, if y'all, when y'all headline your own, when your own tour, like
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We've had a meet me at the altar, which is like a kind of like, what'd you say?
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It's like, I'm just like, I never know what I'm listening to unless I have it.
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Also, a lot of the people that it's like, they, we could say that we'd want them to open
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for us and then they'll be bigger than us in two months.
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So it's like, we could save people, but they will be bigger than us in two months.
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And like, she's, she went to USC and she's just such an amazing songwriter.
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I mean, I know her and I are mutuals on TikTok.
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I mean, I'm looking at my, I'm looking at what I've been listening to.
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Note, we're opening for Katie's dream scenario.
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Everyone's going to be bigger than us in 12 hours.
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Well, that's kind of what happened with Chapel Rome.
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I'm like, I feel like when she came up, I was like, cutie.
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I was going to say like the last dinner party, but they will be bigger than us in 12 hours.
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Every time you talk about them, they get, they get big.
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You're like, your only requirement is you must be gay.
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Our topic today is basically creating a space to celebrate like queer joy in mainstream pop music,
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which I feel like y'all, I mean, obviously y'all are not like the first queer artists
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And for some reason, the Veronica's, even though they're sisters.
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Well, their songs are like, so like sex for some reason.
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I do want to say, too, though, what I love about y'all is I feel that y'all's music and
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band is, I feel like, some people's first experience listening to queer artists.
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Because y'all have moved into what people consider mainstream, especially being under
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I feel like y'all are their first experience with queer music and it's beautiful.
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Like, they connect to your music and then they don't really know much about you.
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But then when they look into it, they're like, oh, okay.
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Like, it gives them, I think, a different lens on what they perceive to be queer music
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But I think your ability to transcend from just the gay community to anyone, really, who
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wants to love pop music, I think that's a beautiful thing.
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Girl, the amount of, like, middle-aged men who just have, like, straight men who just
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have a lot of feelings who are, like, reaching out to us.
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But also, I do like hearing from, like, the younger fans who maybe saw us opening for
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somebody and they were like, I was really, like, interested in what you guys were doing
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And then, like, they're like, come to find out, like, I'm gay.
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That really is funny, though, that that actually is an experience that we hear about.
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Well, because that happened to me with, like, different things.
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You know, it's like, you don't really know why.
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You just don't think it's going to be you doing that thing.
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Like, you just don't, you know, we're just on a wild ride.
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It also makes me think about, you can cut this if you want, but it's like, the alt-right
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of it all and their obsession with, like, grooming.
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And it's like, because, well, I'm sorry, but it's just like.
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Like, we probably are responsible for, like, a lot of, like, younger people realizing that
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they're gay, but, like, I'm not doing that on purpose.
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We got to send you a shirt that, for our podcast, that Naomi designs all of our merch
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and we have a shirt that says, become gay, and I think you would give it to me.
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We can't talk about the agenda on air, you guys.
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I've had, I've talked about this before because I've had someone when my sister and I were
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on tour, we had like a section for Q&A and someone asked me if I'd ever thought that I was gay
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And she was like, well, how do you know you're not?
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And I was like, because I tried it and it didn't work.
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Katie's going to get a little charcoal on her.
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When you come on our pod, I'll have you say a little more.
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I was like, I do have crushes on guys, actually.
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It starts with a clip from a podcast where a guy says, quote, gay people do not produce
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A man duetted the video and added pictures of some of his favorite songs produced by queer
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people, including Lil Nas X, Boy Genius, Brockhampton, and Perfume Genius.
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And basically, they're proving them wrong.
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But they said, gay people do not produce anything good.
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It says, gay people does not produce anything good.
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Straight people produced you talking like that.
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I was going to say, gay people maybe do not produce the best.
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We don't produce the best driving skills, but we do produce some of the best music, and
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And they do rollerblade around Los Angeles a lot.
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I mean, they produce some of the best dance moves.
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Everything fun and awesome in the world was produced by gay people.
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I would say gay people kind of produce a lot.
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Like, you ever have straight people get a hold of a joke and you're like, no, it's ruined.
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You can flip an hourglass as to when something is going to become, when something is going
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to reach a straight person's ear and then be like, I love the way that sounds.
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And I can say that as a fellow straight, unfortunately.
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Okay, so the comments on this, this one says, you literally showed us trash ass songs.
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I'm like, also, there are so many good songs from all of those people.
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And straight people produce some of the best gay music.
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Actually, it's true, but I don't know if that's good for the case.
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I feel like if the gays love you, it's going to work out regardless.
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It's the same thing with women, whether they're gay or not.
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Like, if you have a primarily female demographic.
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If lesbians love you, then, like, they love you for life.
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Well, Taylor Swift was your gateway into straight women.
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Let's our next album be called Straight Women.
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Well, honestly, well, mine was just absolutely fucking up any man I came across.
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I'm like, I could probably write some songs that were mean to me because I do have a history.
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But our loyalty to the lesbians will not allow us to discuss these topics.
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But that's complex as well because it's like, you know, the gay.
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It's funny, like, if when we started writing music with, like, pronouns that were, like, she,
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then, like, the gay men that listen to our music are, like, it's, like, straight when they sing it
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versus if they, like, are singing along to a pop girl.
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Well, that's gay when they sing about a boy.
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We're trying, honestly, I think we want to, and this could totally be false, I think we
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want to try to connect with our gay guy energy.
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We're trying to unite the queer community at our shows.
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That is, like, kind of the prize for us of, like, doing what we do, is that it kind of
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does feel like, one, a space, you know, like, gay bar culture is, like, primarily cis male
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dominated and, like, not really a sapphic space.
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So, I mean, there obviously are, like, lesbian or sapphic bars, however you would say it, but
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And I think, like, the fun thing about our shows is, like, when you are at a show and
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you look out, it's, like, there are definitely, like, the dykes turn out and we fucking love
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them, and I am a dyke, and shout out to all the dykes, but, to me, I'm just saying, and
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I said, I'm going to be taking my MIDI keyboard into the jam session.
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This is all just to say, like, they're all, the whole LGBTQ plus spectrum is at the
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And I, I, that's, that's, what's beautiful about y'all is that it's, even though y'all
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have crossed over into mainstream now, um, y'all have stayed the same.
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Recently, I learned that the lyrics in Born This Way, like in that one section are, um,
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no matter gay, straight, or bi, lesbian, transgender, lives, or something like that?
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So, I just love, I just love that she did that.
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I love that she took the, it's like LGBT community, but she did get straight in there.
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She said, if I want to get on the radio, I've got to throw him a bone.
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And Muna welcomes the G-S-B-L-T community.
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I know, I don't know, I don't know if I was, but I was a straight person at your show.
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I mean, I didn't bring, I left mine at home.
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I don't really have too strong of a feeling like if, like a straight couple is making out
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We played a private gig once, um, way back in the day.
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And there was a straight, there was a straight couple during our song.
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If you know, if you know the song, first of all, this is one of the darkest shows you
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And it was like a private gig that was going to allow us to like do a tour or whatever.
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Or do part, do part of a tour and not go fucking broke.
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So we did this fucking show and there's this couple during our song winter break, which
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I was going to say, like, it wasn't so much the grinding, throwing ass on this man.
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And I feel like it was the cocaine that really made them feel like what they were doing was
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So nothing has really surpassed that level of.
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He, he said, what are you, where are you going?
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And I was like, oh, I'm going to a concert with my sister and my friends.
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And I was like, yeah, I'm going to go see Muna.
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I just have a couple of chagrin of many people in the audience.
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People literally are like, are you sure that they're straight?
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He's jacked in the way that all these guys are.
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I would love if y'all could give us your best piece of advice for any other queer people
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that are maybe want to get into music or maybe are currently music feeling discouraged.
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So curious what y'all's best piece of advice is for them.
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I would say, honestly, I think the only reason why we're actually successful is we never gave
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I think that's like just enough tenacity that it's like, if you don't quit,
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Like building it, opening it, and letting other people walk through it.
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In this specific moment in time, it feels like the door is like only cracked.
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I would, my piece of advice would be to find other queer people or like people who you feel
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We knew what it was like for our like creative decisions and opinions to not be taken seriously.
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And you just need collaborators who take you seriously.
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And like, that's more important, I think, than finding someone who has like some like modicum
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So it's like, just find people that you can relate to and then go up.
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You know, what I was going to say is like, get pants that fit.
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You know, just try to, as, as authentically yourself as you can be, I think the more aligned
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you are with that, the more like confident it will make you and the more sure of yourself
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you, you will be going into other areas, aspects of, of your creative, um, pursuits.
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But I would say like, if, if at all, if it, if it at all interests you to like, if you're
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making pop music, if it at all is of interest to like, learn how to produce music, like do
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It's so useful to, even if you don't want to be the only producer on a song, it's
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so useful to just know how to speak the language, how to ask for what you want and to have tools
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that will come in handy as you, you know, proceed through other kinds of, you know, situations,
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whether you're in sessions with other songwriters or producers, or whether you're, you, you're
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mixing a song and like something's not right, but you don't, you want to know how to talk
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about the things that like you have opinions on and have agency in those situations that
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So yeah, I think just having like an, even an elementary understanding of production
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and, and mixing at the very least, just like to be able to ask for what you want from people,
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even if you don't want to do the thing or you don't want to make beats and that's not
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your passion, like to be able to understand, advocate for yourself.
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Don't, don't, don't allow other people to make you feel powerless through their skill.
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Like you have power and it's so easy to like learn some lingo to be able to talk your shit
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It's, it's just kind of a way to, you know, especially as if you're like already fighting
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an uphill battle because y'all are queer artists and there's already not enough of them in mainstream
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So being able to like advocate for yourself in those situations, that's tea.
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And that works, I think across like any, it, it like behooves, I'm sure like someone who's
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an actor to know a little bit about directing so that when they're on set, they know how
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to better like be in front of the camera or like what someone might be looking for.
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Just some literacy about other aspects of the field that you're in.
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And even before y'all get to that point, you can actually do it yourself if you need to.
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Unrelated to music, but it's still very important.
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Well, thank y'all so much for coming on the show.
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Y'all are amazing and so talented and genius and necessary.
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I'm happy that y'all have the fame that y'all do and the status that you do.
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So I'm so happy for y'all and excited and honored to have you on the show.
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Just write it down so you don't forget the name.
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It's kind of a little bit like the way we've talked to each other on the couch today.
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So make sure you'll stream Muna's music literally everywhere.
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Play it while you go to sleep and have it on silent, but play it all night.
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And do y'all want to plug your individual Instagrams or?
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My Instagram handle, because I'm so famous, is JojoLoveDog.
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If you couldn't tell, that should be a giveaway.
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I can't wait to see all of your continued success.
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And thank you all for joining us on this episode of the Comment Section Show.
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