The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOO MUCH Ft. Sasha Velour

00:00:00.060 If you're not weird and creepy, like, you have no intensity to draw on to be interesting on camera.

00:00:05.200 Exactly, that's my point. I'm like, you would be shocked.

00:00:08.100 Like, I was like, the way some of y'all would be shocked to meet famous people and see how normal and weird they are.

00:00:13.880 Yeah.

00:00:14.360 Like, in a normal, casual setting.

00:00:16.600 Like, any award shows, like, and all those party girls.

00:00:20.140 Awkward.

00:00:20.720 Especially when you see them in, like, casual settings.

00:00:23.840 If I sent this to Dumois, she would have a field day.

00:00:27.100 Ooh, okay, now.

00:00:30.000 Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show.

00:00:38.340 Sorry, me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me.

00:00:40.800 On to the guest.

00:00:41.920 Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the wonderful, the amazing, Sasha Velour.

00:00:46.560 Woo! 0.99

00:00:48.280 Hello.

00:00:49.220 Thank you for having me.

00:00:50.120 Oh, my gosh.

00:00:50.420 Thank you for those extravagant adjectives.

00:00:53.520 I don't deserve any of those.

00:00:54.740 Oh, my gosh, yeah.

00:00:55.540 Back at you, queen.

00:00:56.540 I gas everyone that comes on the show.

00:00:58.100 I'm honored to have you.

00:00:59.500 You're a ledge.

00:01:00.400 Thanks.

00:01:00.840 A living ledge.

00:01:01.660 I'm so happy that you...

00:01:02.580 A living ledge.

00:01:02.900 Not for very much longer.

00:01:05.080 I'm stretching it out.

00:01:07.360 You're clawing your way back.

00:01:09.160 I'm so excited to have you.

00:01:10.920 It's truly a privilege.

00:01:12.640 I am so honored every time I have one of my fave drag queens on the show. 0.95

00:01:17.020 It's just amazing.

00:01:17.940 Yeah, you know, we're keeping tabs on you.

00:01:18.920 We gotta keep coming back in to check up.

00:01:21.020 We have our side chats.

00:01:22.480 We have to go visit her.

00:01:24.700 I'm collecting all the infinity stones.

00:01:26.520 Yeah, we're collecting you.

00:01:28.440 All one by one.

00:01:29.440 I just got one for each finger.

00:01:30.700 All my favorite queens.

00:01:31.760 I love that.

00:01:32.320 But I'm so happy you're here.

00:01:33.620 What color am I?

00:01:34.600 What color is my gem?

00:01:35.760 Ooh, let me think.

00:01:37.580 I think I'm going to say red because I'm thinking of your iconic, so emotional Whitney Houston

00:01:41.760 performance in the season finale.

00:01:43.740 So I'm going to say red.

00:01:44.500 That's my favorite color.

00:01:45.500 We were just talking.

00:01:46.120 I'm all water signs.

00:01:47.780 Oh, my God.

00:01:48.420 I love my fire colors. 0.96

00:01:49.420 I'm literally so fucking psyched. 0.95

00:01:51.260 It gets crazy. 0.98

00:01:51.840 That's me being a Virgo.

00:01:53.060 But I'm so happy to have you.

00:01:54.460 Welcome to the show.

00:01:56.000 How's life been for you lately?

00:01:57.540 You're busy.

00:01:58.040 It's been wild.

00:01:58.960 You're a busy girl.

00:01:59.660 It's pride season.

00:02:00.840 The month when I work.

00:02:02.840 No, I'm just kidding.

00:02:03.760 The one month you work.

00:02:04.560 I work year-round, but it gets really intense in June.

00:02:07.740 I know.

00:02:08.080 I feel so bad for all of you during Pride.

00:02:11.740 Oh, my gosh.

00:02:12.220 They have you working like dogs, girl. 0.91

00:02:13.380 Yeah, we love an outdoor daytime gig.

00:02:16.880 Full drive.

00:02:17.360 Yeah, you know it.

00:02:18.240 It's my dream come true.

00:02:20.880 So you're busy working.

00:02:22.060 It's pride month. 1.00

00:02:22.580 And thank you for letting me come as my.

00:02:24.520 Come as you are.

00:02:25.420 As my mole self.

00:02:26.820 I appreciate it.

00:02:27.660 I said come as you are.

00:02:28.360 I was saying I just arrived.

00:02:29.700 My altar call.

00:02:30.400 Via car.

00:02:30.880 It's just however you choose to be.

00:02:33.140 I love that.

00:02:33.740 Well, this is, I guess, the choice I made today.

00:02:36.500 You look fab.

00:02:37.020 Your hair and makeup team got me together.

00:02:39.020 Well, not the hair, obviously.

00:02:40.180 The makeup.

00:02:41.060 I was going to say your hair looks great.

00:02:42.340 Thanks to Brittany.

00:02:43.760 Thank you.

00:02:44.680 And you just finished filming your season of We're Here.

00:02:48.380 Yes, We're Here season four.

00:02:49.700 I joined the cast before it was Bob, Shangela, and Eureka.

00:02:52.720 Yeah.

00:02:52.980 And they brought in four new queens, me, and Priyanka, and Jada Essence Hall, and Latrice Royale.

00:03:00.620 Of course.

00:03:01.000 The diva.

00:03:01.860 Of course.

00:03:02.520 And how was that?

00:03:03.380 It was great.

00:03:03.840 They just put us in places where what we were doing was illegal.

00:03:06.380 Face to face with conservatives.

00:03:08.220 Real cash.

00:03:08.480 Real cash.

00:03:08.760 And we were corrupting the country and the youth.

00:03:13.060 Yeah.

00:03:13.200 And then we got to stand up for ourselves.

00:03:14.720 Period.

00:03:15.120 Which is kind of a fantasy because it's like you get tired of seeing it online and being

00:03:18.740 like.

00:03:18.980 Totally.

00:03:19.800 Well, I know you're not this way, but I'm like, don't engage with the haters online.

00:03:23.540 But I, you know, we all have that drive to like fight back and stand up for the truth.

00:03:29.060 And have the chance.

00:03:30.220 Yeah.

00:03:30.520 Because they're spreading lies.

00:03:31.720 And past that too, it's like you never really get those opportunities in person because you

00:03:36.560 don't run in the same circles.

00:03:37.600 Like you'll never see each other as far as like you're not going to hang out or like see

00:03:41.600 each other.

00:03:42.140 Oh, no.

00:03:42.620 Yeah.

00:03:42.860 In local spaces, like you're never going to run into each other.

00:03:45.300 So it is truly a chance for you to be able to like speak your mind in a safer environment.

00:03:51.400 We're there like mentoring drag kids who do have to see these people and share space and

00:03:57.220 grow up in that area and like remind them that they do have the power to speak up to

00:04:01.160 even people that they're going to see again and like in their community.

00:04:03.960 Like you don't need to let that silence you, that fear.

00:04:06.480 Absolutely.

00:04:07.160 Or alter how you see yourself or what you choose to pursue in life.

00:04:11.220 Because obviously I've told a lot of the queens too, that have come on the show too,

00:04:15.180 like drag has been around forever, which we all know.

00:04:18.660 Well, most of us know, but for some people it's like brand new, like it's just something

00:04:23.720 they just saw because now because of RuPaul's Drag Race, it's been so like mainstream, which

00:04:28.160 is a beautiful thing because more eyes on it means more understanding, but it also means 1.00

00:04:32.780 more criticism from horrible fucking people. 0.99

00:04:36.060 So how has that been for you as far as like drag becoming more mainstream lately, as far as 0.99

00:04:42.020 like how you operate in the industry, seeing new up and coming people who want to be in

00:04:46.260 drag.

00:04:46.580 It's exciting.

00:04:47.380 Yeah.

00:04:47.560 Everywhere you look, someone's doing drag.

00:04:49.520 Yeah.

00:04:50.120 I'm like, please stop.

00:04:51.820 There's too many already.

00:04:53.120 There's so many of us already.

00:04:54.020 You know, but every time there's new people welcomed in, it's like it forces all of us

00:04:59.120 to up our game.

00:05:00.040 And the more people know about drag, just the more love there is.

00:05:03.020 Yeah.

00:05:03.280 I feel like people's excitement in drag helps them, around drag helps them like be cool

00:05:09.740 with queer people in real life. 0.54

00:05:10.920 Totally.

00:05:11.460 Yeah.

00:05:11.580 Too.

00:05:12.140 It's like, maybe it starts with just, oh, that's so entertaining.

00:05:14.980 But then, you know, we're queer looking people and yet we have to get used to seeing us in 0.59

00:05:19.480 the world because we're, to quote the show, we're here.

00:05:22.340 We're not going anywhere.

00:05:23.840 You don't need to be frightened of us.

00:05:25.520 Absolutely.

00:05:25.920 Yeah.

00:05:26.020 In my show that I've been touring, because I wrote a book about the history of drag called

00:05:29.200 The Big Reveal.

00:05:30.220 Oh my gosh.

00:05:30.940 How exciting.

00:05:31.320 After, you know, I do some reveals.

00:05:34.180 Yeah.

00:05:35.440 And I've been doing this show about it and I play footage of these like World War II drag 1.00

00:05:42.020 shows that they would do on US Army bases that they consider like the height of patriotism,

00:05:46.160 like a drag show to prove to everyone. 0.80

00:05:48.420 Yeah.

00:05:48.880 Like you say, this has been around forever.

00:05:50.600 It's nothing new.

00:05:51.560 It's been accepted before too.

00:05:53.200 Absolutely.

00:05:53.940 So I don't know what is up with the backlash.

00:05:55.860 I know.

00:05:56.600 I think they just want attention.

00:05:57.920 Totally.

00:05:58.320 They're jealous.

00:05:59.360 Yeah, they're jealous. 0.78

00:06:00.300 And we need to show them like to get attention, you need to do something to deserve it.

00:06:03.880 Something fabulous, something memorable and iconic.

00:06:06.480 And that's not what we're seeing.

00:06:08.260 Yeah, why don't you get into it, girl?

00:06:09.340 Exactly.

00:06:09.660 Why don't you catch up to me slowly at the top?

00:06:11.340 Exactly.

00:06:11.960 Hello.

00:06:13.520 I think too, I would love to, if we will backtrack a little how you got into drag and like what

00:06:20.100 drew you to it in the first place, like why that specific art form and then like how

00:06:23.540 you kind of came to be Sasha Velour.

00:06:25.560 It's a little cringy, but the Stonewall Riots got me into being a drag artist.

00:06:30.320 Really?

00:06:30.860 No, I'm not that old, but I was doing my good like coming out research and learning about

00:06:37.240 the uprising.

00:06:39.000 Now everyone's like, you know, a drag queen started the Stonewall Riots. 1.00

00:06:41.580 I had never heard that before. 0.76

00:06:43.340 I didn't know there was anyone other than like white gay men there because that's how 1.00

00:06:48.420 kind of how it had always been presented and discovering that it was like, it was trans

00:06:51.840 people.

00:06:52.560 Yeah.

00:06:52.780 It was people of color.

00:06:53.860 It was like totally unhoused people. 0.95

00:06:55.640 Yeah.

00:06:56.020 People who weren't even allowed in the club.

00:06:57.580 Yeah.

00:06:57.780 It's very like whitewashed.

00:06:59.240 The version we learn.

00:07:00.380 Yeah.

00:07:00.580 So I was reading like Sylvia Rivera's story about it and realizing, okay, drag's like 0.99

00:07:05.200 not just about dressing up and feeling your fantasy, although it definitely is that.

00:07:08.940 Yeah.

00:07:09.080 That's part of it.

00:07:09.820 It's also being really loud for the community and like activism is about taking big risks

00:07:14.440 and big swings.

00:07:15.820 So is art.

00:07:16.480 Yeah.

00:07:17.060 Put them together and you've got something gorgeous.

00:07:19.540 Love.

00:07:19.920 And then, then I learned Sylvia Rivera and Marsha B. Johnson maybe weren't even at Stonewall.

00:07:24.980 They just made up that story. 0.99

00:07:26.640 Damn. 1.00

00:07:27.140 Because they wanted to like preserve the right legacy about it because it had been co-opted 1.00

00:07:31.780 by other people.

00:07:32.740 Totally.

00:07:33.120 And so I'm like, that's like, that inspires me about drag.

00:07:36.180 Like it doesn't have to be a hundred percent true.

00:07:39.220 It doesn't have to be a hundred percent real.

00:07:40.920 Yeah.

00:07:41.220 As long as it represents the true truth.

00:07:43.020 Yeah.

00:07:44.060 You tell that story.

00:07:45.900 Yeah.

00:07:46.200 The messaging was real and always has been real.

00:07:48.360 And it's also very important, I feel like, to continue the legacy regardless of who's

00:07:54.380 carrying the torch as long as it's being carried, which I think is a beautiful thing too. 0.99

00:07:58.040 Just be like, as long as you tell the story, like just tell the fucking story. 0.99

00:08:00.780 Isn't that what drag's about? 0.99

00:08:01.840 Yeah, totally.

00:08:02.740 Who cares what's real?

00:08:04.440 Like this is about truth.

00:08:07.440 So when was your first time like ever really trying drag that you can remember?

00:08:12.000 Okay.

00:08:12.260 So first time I went out in drag was in my hometown of central Illinois, a town called Champaign

00:08:18.340 Urbana.

00:08:18.960 Oh my God.

00:08:20.060 And I was, it does sound made up.

00:08:23.600 It's in the cornfields.

00:08:25.780 And I like, I had a fake ID and I went to the club.

00:08:30.220 Thankfully I didn't match the ID anyways because I painted so ferociously and I was really nervous

00:08:35.060 and I went up to the drag queen host and was like, I went in full drag and then was like,

00:08:41.680 how, how can I get up on stage?

00:08:43.660 She was like, well, it's not happening tonight because we have a whole plan.

00:08:47.740 That's not how we work.

00:08:49.540 But then I went back like a week later for their open drag night and entered the competition

00:08:53.400 and I got second place and I got a booking out of it.

00:08:57.700 Period.

00:08:58.160 My first paid booking of $25, which actually covered what I had spent on the outfit because

00:09:05.420 it was that bad.

00:09:06.460 Yeah, I was actually profiting.

00:09:07.940 Yeah, I was profiting.

00:09:09.780 I just kept going from there.

00:09:11.020 How old were you?

00:09:11.860 I was 19 years old.

00:09:13.820 Oh, wow.

00:09:14.880 So.

00:09:15.400 T.

00:09:15.940 That was two years ago.

00:09:18.060 Thank you so much.

00:09:19.080 Now you're 21.

00:09:20.320 Exactly.

00:09:21.280 Oh my gosh.

00:09:21.680 Freshly 21.

00:09:22.480 Freshly 21.

00:09:25.260 And then you moved to New York.

00:09:26.160 I know the joke is because I am so old.

00:09:28.540 Doing drag for 10 years, you become a legend whether you like it or not.

00:09:31.860 Yeah.

00:09:32.040 It's just so hard to make it and keep going.

00:09:34.240 Absolutely.

00:09:34.540 I think you're like, wow, you never gave up.

00:09:36.740 You also look incredible.

00:09:37.880 You do not look old by any stretch.

00:09:39.820 Thank you for saying that.

00:09:40.380 And I'm not just saying that.

00:09:41.960 I'm very honest and very mean to my drag friends. 1.00

00:09:44.620 The products are working.

00:09:45.800 I actually think scraping off my face like every night and then painting it back on.

00:09:49.160 Oh, you're just getting a new one.

00:09:50.500 It's good for the skin.

00:09:51.840 I think so.

00:09:52.600 It's like shedding a snake skin.

00:09:54.120 They say Marilyn Monroe like shaved her entire face as like an exfoliating thing. 1.00

00:09:58.460 And that's, I mean, I have to do that.

00:10:00.920 But then.

00:10:01.900 It's a beauty trick too.

00:10:02.980 Beauty noted.

00:10:03.720 Noted.

00:10:04.220 Mm-hmm.

00:10:04.500 So then you moved to New York.

00:10:07.080 Did you like go to college in New York or did you just go straight into working?

00:10:10.460 I went to college in upstate New York.

00:10:13.240 Okay, cool.

00:10:13.660 In Poughkeepsie, New York.

00:10:15.120 And then I went to a art school program because I was like, I'm not like a theater comedy music

00:10:22.480 person.

00:10:23.020 I was like, I want to sit in a dark room and just like draw pretty things.

00:10:26.800 Love.

00:10:27.020 But in rural Vermont where I was in art school, I started like walking around in drag and

00:10:34.240 hosting like drag race viewing parties for all the people in town.

00:10:37.880 And then I kind of like.

00:10:40.120 Was it easier once you got over there, obviously, in like New York, Vermont area?

00:10:44.540 It was.

00:10:45.140 Yeah.

00:10:45.400 To be able to like be in drag. 0.67

00:10:47.120 And it was like the fresh start of having no family, no connections.

00:10:50.140 Yeah.

00:10:51.060 I didn't know anyone.

00:10:52.200 So I could like invent a new self and drag.

00:10:55.920 A drag queen was who I wanted to be. 0.96

00:10:57.980 And how was it like when you were coming?

00:10:59.960 So you came up in New York first and then that's when you auditioned for Drag Race.

00:11:04.700 I auditioned for season eight of Drag Race.

00:11:07.340 I was very not prepared.

00:11:09.460 So I'm glad I did not get any callbacks for that one.

00:11:11.820 And then season nine, I had like been running this show for a while.

00:11:15.820 Yeah.

00:11:16.400 I auditioned with my iconic Gollum snatch game that then I wasn't allowed to use because

00:11:21.620 it's a copyrighted character.

00:11:22.740 I was going to say it was a copyright.

00:11:24.440 I'm sorry to scramble.

00:11:26.320 But obviously that worked out.

00:11:29.160 Period.

00:11:29.600 Well, clearly.

00:11:31.240 Right.

00:11:31.500 How was your experience on Drag Race?

00:11:32.960 I always ask the queens.

00:11:34.800 They're always like.

00:11:35.320 What did I say?

00:11:35.780 Bianca was like, I was like, I've heard it's kind of like American Ninja Warrior, but you

00:11:40.180 have to like know how to sew.

00:11:41.720 Sew and sing and entertain and tell jokes and all of that.

00:11:45.500 Yeah.

00:11:45.640 And you have like no one to talk to.

00:11:47.060 You just go back to your hotel room and spiral looking in the mirror.

00:11:51.500 I loved it.

00:11:52.840 Yeah.

00:11:53.120 That's my cup of tea.

00:11:55.580 That's what Sasha Colby told me.

00:11:57.580 Yeah.

00:11:58.000 She's like, I loved it.

00:11:59.240 I was like, oh, yeah.

00:12:00.420 Because you guys both won.

00:12:01.680 And I was like. 0.50

00:12:02.440 I told her, I was like, I've had a lot of losers on the show, so maybe that's why they 0.68

00:12:07.820 didn't like it so much.

00:12:08.500 A different experience?

00:12:08.800 Yeah.

00:12:09.720 They had to win all stars in order for it to be fun.

00:12:11.760 Right.

00:12:11.960 Exactly.

00:12:13.540 I think it's less fun the second time, I imagine.

00:12:15.400 That's what Tracy told me.

00:12:16.120 She said, all stars is harder.

00:12:17.800 Yeah.

00:12:18.200 She was like, because everyone's rich and famous and like has a lot more at stake.

00:12:22.800 Yeah.

00:12:23.080 There's like, they have way more resources.

00:12:25.620 Yeah.

00:12:25.760 I had nothing to lose.

00:12:27.220 Yeah.

00:12:27.360 I was absolutely no one with garbage drag, as everyone who's watched season nine knows.

00:12:32.700 I only had things to gain from it.

00:12:35.260 Yeah.

00:12:36.220 And so how has it been now that you're like, now that you won Drag Race and you are Sasha

00:12:40.660 Valor, like, how was the transition into like just entertainment as a whole?

00:12:44.660 Was it like easier than just doing like, you know, the shows in drag or was it a little

00:12:49.580 bit harder, a little bit more of a balance?

00:12:51.920 Oh, that's interesting.

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:53.280 I'm still figuring it out.

00:12:54.700 Really?

00:12:55.160 Do you have advice?

00:12:55.920 No, girl, you've been around longer than me.

00:12:58.260 I was going to ask you for advice.

00:12:59.500 You wrote a book.

00:13:00.100 You're doing a show.

00:13:00.460 I feel like I'm staying in, I've just really stayed in like my own lane.

00:13:03.600 Yeah.

00:13:04.020 In a way.

00:13:04.500 Like, I'm interested in doing the things I'm interested in.

00:13:08.000 Totally.

00:13:08.480 And I'm just like, I'm hustling.

00:13:11.140 Just having fun.

00:13:11.820 Like, I love doing my stage shows.

00:13:13.260 Yeah.

00:13:13.880 And getting a tour all over the world with them.

00:13:15.700 Totally.

00:13:16.260 If there's a TV project that's like really exciting to me, like we're here.

00:13:19.300 I was literally like banging on their door asking to be included.

00:13:21.940 Um, and I, I don't know if I've figured it out what I'm doing yet.

00:13:26.800 I'm just like being, doing it my way.

00:13:29.620 Just having fun.

00:13:30.180 I'm having fun.

00:13:31.220 The beautiful thing about it is that because drag is so popular now in like mainstream entertainment

00:13:36.480 culture, it's made it a very viable possibility for people to like make money off of it.

00:13:41.500 Cause for the longest time it was just like, this is something I just love to do and I don't

00:13:45.300 get paid to do necessarily.

00:13:46.920 Like you'll make money here and there, but it wouldn't be like the full blown career

00:13:50.700 could be now, which I think is really fucking cool that like so many of you can, are so

00:13:56.060 beloved now by people outside of the community that we can like see you as entertainers now, 0.54

00:14:00.840 not just drag queens. 1.00

00:14:02.180 That's awesome.

00:14:02.760 Um, I wish we would learn how to like run businesses now cause that's surprisingly required.

00:14:08.580 I have made some big mistakes.

00:14:10.780 Um, just like my first year I was like, I'm making money.

00:14:14.680 I'm going to buy costumes and then it just sort of all balanced out.

00:14:18.300 Just level up your drag every single time.

00:14:19.860 Started over again.

00:14:21.340 Trying to make money again.

00:14:23.060 How has the, um, reaction been like, or how was the reaction like from your like close friends

00:14:27.880 and family?

00:14:28.400 Like when you were first in drag versus like now you do this for a living.

00:14:32.260 Was it like, um, positive or, uh, you don't have to talk about it if you don't have to.

00:14:37.940 No, I'm just like, what is it?

00:14:39.740 Yeah.

00:14:40.160 My, my family is there.

00:14:42.520 They're proud.

00:14:43.420 Um, I'm so glad I'm lucky to have like, my grandma was always like dressing me up in

00:14:48.500 drag when I was a little baby.

00:14:50.820 So it's honestly like her spirit is looking down on me being like more, more, more sequins.

00:14:57.360 That was her favorite thing.

00:14:58.780 Oh, love.

00:14:59.300 Costume jewelry.

00:15:00.340 Um, my mom passed away before I like really got into drag.

00:15:04.360 She saw the very beginnings of it and she was like very nervous about everything.

00:15:08.540 So often I'm like, I'm glad she, sometimes I'm glad she wasn't like here to watch all

00:15:13.940 that cause she'd be so nervous that that would like freak me out.

00:15:16.440 Yeah.

00:15:16.840 Yeah.

00:15:17.060 Yeah.

00:15:17.160 Um, but my, my dad just is like blissfully into it, which I love.

00:15:22.560 Oh, that's so sweet.

00:15:24.000 And then my drag friends, I've like my closest drag friends who got me started in New York.

00:15:28.380 Like they are still part of my family.

00:15:30.420 They're part of every show that I do.

00:15:32.060 Like when I got my TV show produced about my drag show nightgowns, like they were the

00:15:38.000 stars of it.

00:15:38.720 And actually Sasha Colby and I go back to that.

00:15:41.500 Oh, love.

00:15:42.640 I got to put her on TV before drag race. 1.00

00:15:45.500 Period. 0.99

00:15:46.020 My fucking girl TV, but, um, Quibi short lived. 1.00

00:15:49.520 It's available on Roku now. 1.00

00:15:52.300 Hey, still on TV.

00:15:53.440 Exactly.

00:15:53.940 I got a Roku.

00:15:54.940 Hell yeah.

00:15:56.940 Oh, the reason I was asking is because like, I was curious, like on we're here, obviously

00:16:00.980 no spoilers, but how was it like mentoring young kids who are looking into drag or they really

00:16:06.940 want to do it.

00:16:07.540 And they're just feeling a little unsure or afraid, which is natural given the climate.

00:16:12.400 But, um, how was that for you?

00:16:14.580 It was amazing.

00:16:15.680 Yeah.

00:16:15.900 Like I've always said, I don't want drag children. 1.00

00:16:18.540 Now I'm stuck with them.

00:16:20.260 Um, it's, it's amazing.

00:16:21.580 I thought I had like nothing to offer truly.

00:16:23.620 That's why I was like, I'm still figuring this out.

00:16:26.500 Like we can be siblings and figuring out together.

00:16:29.380 That you feel that way.

00:16:30.760 But then I was like, actually, that's like, that's kind of good parenting too.

00:16:34.140 To be like, I don't know what I'm doing.

00:16:35.860 We're just, I'm going to support you to find your own way.

00:16:38.560 Yeah.

00:16:38.840 Like, I'm not going to tell you how to do it my way.

00:16:41.520 Yeah.

00:16:42.220 Cause that's probably, you're probably going to hate that if I do that.

00:16:46.220 Um, and everyone really did come in with their own sense of what their drag would be

00:16:50.120 like.

00:16:50.320 They just needed someone to say yes.

00:16:53.540 To like validate them.

00:16:54.720 And then also, you know, not just that I had to, did have to teach them how to like

00:16:59.040 walk and how to like make eye contact.

00:17:01.220 Right.

00:17:01.640 It's not nothing.

00:17:03.220 I did have some notes.

00:17:03.940 You know.

00:17:04.560 But I think that's a beautiful thing that you were able to, even, even like, I think

00:17:11.040 openness and vulnerability, like by itself is inspirational to young people who are coming

00:17:16.160 up in drag. 0.55

00:17:16.740 But you being just honest about like, this is what I'm doing, but I'd love to help you

00:17:20.020 find your path.

00:17:21.040 Right.

00:17:21.260 It's a beautiful thing.

00:17:22.380 You don't have to have all the answers to inspire kids.

00:17:24.820 Exactly.

00:17:25.380 And I think it's great.

00:17:26.220 It's all about taking risks.

00:17:27.440 Absolutely.

00:17:27.980 To like encourage, making people feel like safe enough to take big risks.

00:17:31.180 Absolutely.

00:17:31.540 And now that you've been doing this for a while now, like, how has social media been

00:17:37.160 for you?

00:17:37.520 Like, do you get any hate on social media?

00:17:39.580 I'm sure you do.

00:17:40.420 I get a whole bunch.

00:17:41.280 Yeah.

00:17:42.160 Standard stuff, I'm assuming.

00:17:43.800 I'm always like, is it like the welcome package they typically give you, which is just like

00:17:47.020 bigotry.

00:17:48.200 Yeah.

00:17:48.400 Just like lots of bigotry.

00:17:50.080 Yeah.

00:17:50.260 But even sometimes even from people who you're like, you should be supporting queer people. 0.99

00:17:55.060 Yeah. 0.98

00:17:55.920 That's ugly hair. 0.98

00:17:57.340 Like, she's so boring. 0.99

00:17:59.160 I know.

00:17:59.500 You know, I can't win everyone over.

00:18:01.180 Yeah.

00:18:02.080 I can't help, but I want to try.

00:18:05.100 It's the same thing. 0.81

00:18:06.140 That's the cancer in you, probably.

00:18:07.980 Yeah.

00:18:08.360 Oh, yeah.

00:18:09.220 That's the same thing with me when I have women who hate on me. 1.00

00:18:12.440 Yeah.

00:18:12.880 It's very like, I'm on your side.

00:18:14.920 Right.

00:18:15.360 We're on the same team, girl.

00:18:16.880 Like, I've got your back.

00:18:18.040 Yeah.

00:18:18.380 I got your back, but you don't have mine, apparently.

00:18:21.000 Isn't that life?

00:18:21.800 It's always like, that's the only kind of hate I've told people is that actually kind

00:18:27.300 of bothers me.

00:18:28.140 Yeah.

00:18:28.480 It's when it's coming from inside the house. 0.98

00:18:29.880 I'm like, that sucks. 0.91

00:18:30.840 Like, we're on the same side. 1.00

00:18:32.100 I expect that from awful straight men. 0.95

00:18:34.700 Hello. 0.97

00:18:35.100 I expect that from one of my peers.

00:18:37.360 And then you, like, you want to, I, or at least I always want to, like, take it serious

00:18:42.020 and be like, oh, gosh, do I, do I need to consider this note?

00:18:44.680 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 From people within my communities.

00:18:46.500 And I do end up internalizing it a little bit.

00:18:47.860 Yeah.

00:18:48.420 That's the only kind of hate that I actually sit with if it's valid, if it's not based

00:18:52.340 in anything.

00:18:52.740 Right.

00:18:53.120 Inherently.

00:18:54.440 But even criticism about, like, your looks and stuff, you're, like, the looks you serve,

00:18:58.500 you're kind of like, girl, come on.

00:19:00.880 As long as I love it.

00:19:02.140 Yeah.

00:19:02.640 It's when I don't love how I looked, but I'm like, you're right.

00:19:05.900 You found me out.

00:19:06.820 I did look bad.

00:19:07.780 And you lash out.

00:19:08.660 Yeah, that's what I really lash out.

00:19:09.720 You're like, okay, whatever.

00:19:12.020 It's so funny.

00:19:12.700 I got a comment the other day on one of my videos, and it was from a person that loves

00:19:16.820 me.

00:19:17.200 Like, they're, like, a fan of mine.

00:19:18.380 And they were tagging their own friend.

00:19:20.300 And they were like, yeah, I don't know if she used to do lashes different or something. 0.99

00:19:23.420 Like, she used to have a really bad, lazy eye. 0.95

00:19:26.300 And she, but she does not have that anymore.

00:19:28.320 She looks great.

00:19:28.960 And they weren't even talking to me.

00:19:30.100 Like, they were tagging their friend.

00:19:31.140 They were like, I can see that.

00:19:32.140 And I was like, first of all, deleted that comment.

00:19:34.760 Rude.

00:19:35.480 Second of all, I was like, you're right.

00:19:37.980 I have done my lashes different.

00:19:39.640 And yeah, they do look better.

00:19:41.500 But that's besides the point. 1.00

00:19:43.420 You don't need to tell me that, bitch. 1.00

00:19:45.440 Like, I already fucking know. 1.00

00:19:47.100 But I was like, she hit me because she's right. 0.96

00:19:49.520 But that's why I was like, still, you don't need to be.

00:19:51.820 It's always from your own family.

00:19:53.160 That it hurts the most.

00:19:55.040 Like, wow, you really see me, but too well.

00:19:58.880 Yeah, but pipe down.

00:20:00.080 Relax.

00:20:00.900 I know what you were saying.

00:20:01.600 It's when I know it wasn't my best. 0.98

00:20:03.520 I'm kind of like, damn, you're right. 0.94

00:20:05.860 I feel that. 0.98

00:20:06.880 I've had that, too.

00:20:07.660 We like to be gassed up even when it's not totally there.

00:20:11.660 Yeah, a little lie.

00:20:13.420 Sometimes when I'm promoting stuff I'm doing, I'm like, and if you don't like it, don't tell me.

00:20:17.980 Just don't let me know.

00:20:19.260 It's okay.

00:20:20.000 Just don't tag me.

00:20:20.840 I don't need to see it.

00:20:22.320 Just tell your friends. 1.00

00:20:24.000 Talk shit on me in private. 1.00

00:20:25.020 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:20:25.820 Not online, please.

00:20:27.560 But this is actually a perfect transition into our topic because we're talking about terrible

00:20:31.260 men online who hate musicals and think theater and actors are, like, too much, which you

00:20:35.780 were just telling me about your show.

00:20:37.180 So, like, you said you weren't really a theater girl, but now you're doing a show.

00:20:41.000 I became a theater girl.

00:20:42.180 Yeah, I was going to say.

00:20:43.180 Yeah, so how did that come to be?

00:20:45.960 Well, I've always been too much, so in my own ways.

00:20:50.500 Oh, yes.

00:20:51.320 You and me both.

00:20:52.740 So, yeah, I just, like, I love putting on a drag show.

00:20:56.900 Totally.

00:20:57.160 Love the reveal.

00:20:57.960 Love, like, the stagecraft.

00:20:59.120 Love, like, seeing the audience live in front of me.

00:21:01.260 Absolutely.

00:21:01.460 For me, it's, like, so much more fun than filming a TV show.

00:21:03.740 Oh, my gosh, I know.

00:21:04.660 I can't even imagine, especially with your iconic, like, so emotional lip sync.

00:21:09.260 Yeah.

00:21:09.620 That's a reveal, multiple reveals.

00:21:12.620 I try to, like, my challenge is to always deliver on stage, like, period, 10 times better

00:21:17.580 than that.

00:21:18.160 Yeah.

00:21:18.420 Like, because I know they come knowing that reveal.

00:21:20.940 I'm like, oh, you thought I could, all I could do is take off gloves and a wig?

00:21:24.180 Oh, you thought that was it?

00:21:24.720 Let me show you what I've got, I don't know, in my tights, or, no, not that.

00:21:31.440 Oh, my gosh, I'm so curious.

00:21:32.940 How did that, how did you come up with that, the petals in each glove and then in the wig?

00:21:37.800 Like, was that just an idea you had, or you were, like, oh, T?

00:21:40.240 Yeah, it was from listening to the song.

00:21:42.300 Really?

00:21:42.500 And I was, like, oh, like, this should be a he loves me, he loves me not moment.

00:21:46.000 Ooh, T.

00:21:46.720 That then just, like, escalates, because she's really going off in that song.

00:21:50.980 So whenever I come up with a performance, but my thing is I kind of, like, overcompensate

00:21:56.900 for not being a good dancer, and so I come up with these little, like, gestures and use

00:22:01.700 all, whatever skills I have.

00:22:03.260 Yeah.

00:22:03.560 Like, I love to think of kooky things, like the gloves and the wigs and the projections.

00:22:08.120 You're working with what you've got.

00:22:10.000 Mm-hmm.

00:22:10.760 So.

00:22:11.180 You're working to your strengths.

00:22:12.340 Throw it all at the wall.

00:22:13.320 Yeah.

00:22:13.440 And then I can just, like, you know, step, step, step, and it's still exciting.

00:22:17.880 It's still dazzle.

00:22:18.860 I want to dazzle.

00:22:20.040 Yeah.

00:22:20.220 The audience deserves that, so I'll use whatever I have.

00:22:23.800 So how did you come up with the show itself?

00:22:25.720 Like, did you write it yourself, or did you have, like, friends that you wrote it with?

00:22:28.880 Yeah.

00:22:29.340 I've done two solo shows that I've traveled the world that I've written myself, like,

00:22:34.300 direct all the video content.

00:22:36.040 Amazing.

00:22:36.240 I work with costume designers.

00:22:38.300 Love.

00:22:39.080 My really close collaborator, Diego Montoya, who makes, like, he won an Emmy after working

00:22:44.440 together on We're Here, not on my season.

00:22:48.080 Not yet.

00:22:48.660 But still.

00:22:49.120 Not yet.

00:22:49.660 But not yet, yeah.

00:22:51.660 And he just, like, creates these sculptures, and we, like, kind of feed off of each other,

00:22:56.200 and it's really fun.

00:22:57.260 So, and then I try to maintain those costumes for, like, a year as I'm sweating.

00:23:01.500 And then rolling around on the floor.

00:23:03.480 You spend enough money on them.

00:23:05.160 Exactly. 1.00

00:23:05.620 Yeah, I'm going to wear this bitch till the wheels fall off. 1.00

00:23:08.140 But I'm about to do this new show headed for Broadway, hopefully. 0.99

00:23:12.620 It's a plan.

00:23:13.220 We're premiering at La Jolla Playhouse, which is, like, the pre-Broadway place in the world.

00:23:18.000 And that's co-written with Moises Kaufman, who wrote The Laramie Project, which is, like,

00:23:22.740 one of the most important works of queer theater in history.

00:23:25.740 Oh, my gosh.

00:23:27.360 How exciting.

00:23:28.160 Yeah, it's wild.

00:23:29.180 It's, like, drag and theater combined.

00:23:30.900 It's unlike anything I've done.

00:23:32.180 I was in an audition room for it.

00:23:34.980 Gee.

00:23:35.440 Which was intense behind the table.

00:23:37.320 Yeah.

00:23:37.560 How was that?

00:23:38.680 I've always been scared to death of auditioning.

00:23:41.180 Yeah.

00:23:41.540 Like that.

00:23:41.920 Like, in person.

00:23:43.080 And then when I'm behind the table, I was like, oh, I had nothing to be scared of because

00:23:46.160 on this side of the table, we just want each person to succeed.

00:23:49.040 Yeah.

00:23:49.480 Like, we have a problem and we are hoping that you're the solution for it.

00:23:53.980 That's actually a really good way of looking at it.

00:23:55.920 Yeah.

00:23:56.300 I've only done a couple auditions, but they were, like, self-tape auditions. 0.91

00:24:00.200 And even those, like, they fucked me up. 0.84

00:24:02.340 Like, they made me so nervous. 0.97

00:24:03.460 I get really nervous about it.

00:24:04.820 I know.

00:24:05.240 Even when I did the last one I did, which I can't say what it's for because I don't

00:24:09.400 even think I got it, if I'm being honest.

00:24:12.300 I had to, like, read lines, but I was convinced I could do it myself.

00:24:16.940 I could just, like, record the other line on the voice note and, like, time it.

00:24:20.440 But then I was like, then it's too mechanical and I'm not doing it organically.

00:24:23.600 So then I had to ask my boyfriend to help read with me, but then he had to watch me and

00:24:27.260 I hated that.

00:24:28.600 Right.

00:24:28.760 I was like, I don't know.

00:24:29.340 Close your eyes or something when you're watching it.

00:24:31.200 Put a bag over your face.

00:24:33.200 I usually want this to someone else.

00:24:34.440 I was like, something about that is just making, it makes me so nervous.

00:24:37.160 I could do something in front of thousands of people, but it's like, doing little auditions

00:24:41.920 like that, they freak me out.

00:24:43.540 Right.

00:24:44.180 Yeah, me too.

00:24:44.280 Every single time.

00:24:45.540 So I guess the thing, lesson I've learned is, like, they really want you to succeed.

00:24:49.200 Yeah.

00:24:49.400 Probably more than, like, the audience.

00:24:50.960 I'm honestly going to hold on to that.

00:24:52.200 I hope that helps me.

00:24:53.260 Like, if I get one in the future, I hope that helps me because I get super nervy in those.

00:24:57.900 Especially, it doesn't help that the very first audition I ever did, they made me sing.

00:25:01.820 And I, even though I told them I couldn't sing, I, I, I very explicitly said I couldn't

00:25:06.580 sing.

00:25:06.860 That's like the plot of a nightmare.

00:25:08.740 Girl, and they made me sing acapella.

00:25:10.340 And I said, is this a joke?

00:25:12.180 Do you guys hate me? 0.87

00:25:13.280 Is this a troll? 0.81

00:25:14.660 Yeah.

00:25:15.340 Just candid camera.

00:25:16.400 What is happening?

00:25:16.920 I was like, are you guys going to put this on Reddit?

00:25:18.260 And what did you sing? 0.99

00:25:19.620 I honestly sang, oh fuck, what song did I sing? 0.99

00:25:22.580 I sang the song Songbird, but I did the version that Naya Rivera did on Glee, which like, 1.00

00:25:30.160 first of all, shooting for the fucking moon, bitch. 1.00

00:25:32.620 Why, why did I pick a hard song sang by a really talented singer? 1.00

00:25:36.500 Like, I don't know why that one, if I had to guess, I was just thinking, maybe because

00:25:40.920 I know the lyrics to this one really well.

00:25:42.580 Right.

00:25:42.960 You were panicked.

00:25:44.100 You hadn't prepared anything.

00:25:45.560 Maybe I could just do this.

00:25:46.760 We did.

00:25:47.120 I actually did do that to someone in the audition.

00:25:48.820 I was like, can you sing?

00:25:49.980 Can we give them five minutes to prepare?

00:25:52.820 It was great.

00:25:53.700 They asked me for a minute acapella, and I was like, um, okay, yeah, do my best.

00:25:59.480 Did you get that part?

00:26:00.700 Um, no.

00:26:01.860 Oh.

00:26:02.380 I think they blocked me.

00:26:04.320 I think they got it, and they were like, oh my god, she actually sent it. 0.96

00:26:07.720 She actually fucking did it, and they blocked me. 1.00

00:26:09.800 That's my guess, if I had to guess. 0.99

00:26:11.900 I think they were just razzing me, to be honest.

00:26:14.800 Rude.

00:26:15.140 Okay, so the topic for the guest, which is men who hate musicals, which I think, I love

00:26:20.860 musicals, personally.

00:26:21.840 Yeah, me too.

00:26:21.920 I love Broadway.

00:26:23.420 Big, big, big fan.

00:26:24.400 So, when people don't like it, I'm always like, you're so boring.

00:26:27.940 Yes.

00:26:28.360 It's so easy to hate Broadway.

00:26:29.400 It's so easy to hate Broadway.

00:26:30.580 It is. 0.99

00:26:31.280 It is silly. 0.96

00:26:32.320 It is. 0.94

00:26:32.840 It's so silly, but I'm like, but everyone in there is talented.

00:26:35.900 And it's fun.

00:26:36.460 Hello.

00:26:36.940 If you just let yourself have fun.

00:26:38.980 Let's go back to having fun.

00:26:40.440 Yeah.

00:26:40.800 What happened to having fun?

00:26:42.240 Terrible men struggle with that.

00:26:43.640 They do.

00:26:44.580 Oh, wow.

00:26:45.260 And it's because they're so unemployed.

00:26:47.660 That's my guess, anyway.

00:26:49.100 Okay, so this first video that applies to our topic, it says, in this video, a trans woman

00:26:54.280 is telling a story of how she got a request to audition for a musical that was looking

00:26:57.420 to cast trans and non-binary actors.

00:27:00.140 Mark.

00:27:00.360 At the audition, she says she asked the casting directors if she could change keys because

00:27:04.040 she's a tenor and the songs were written for soprano.

00:27:06.680 They refused and said they wouldn't change any of the music.

00:27:09.860 And she was really disappointed that a show specifically looking for trans actors wouldn't let her

00:27:13.300 use the key her voice was in.

00:27:15.500 But I also think it's strange if you don't adjust keys for, you know what I'm saying?

00:27:20.400 Like, you want them to read for a part.

00:27:22.380 And also, the audition process, like, when you come in person to audition, there's, like,

00:27:26.060 a whole screening process before that.

00:27:27.600 Yeah.

00:27:27.720 So they know what you look like, what you sound like.

00:27:30.500 You send in your voice part.

00:27:31.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:32.480 And then they bring you in and then you do it again and then you do another one and then

00:27:35.800 they maybe cast you.

00:27:36.840 So I'm like, why wouldn't you alter?

00:27:39.800 It's really not that hard, I don't think.

00:27:42.320 Maybe I just don't know anything.

00:27:44.180 I feel like specifically casting trans people, like, you know the voice part of it all is

00:27:49.340 a sensitive issue.

00:27:50.380 Absolutely.

00:27:50.720 No, you're not going to have sensitivity around that.

00:27:53.160 Like, when you're explicitly looking to cast trans and non-binary people.

00:27:58.180 Right.

00:27:58.360 And, like, why wouldn't you be more amenable to that?

00:28:00.200 Like, this one says, some trans men can reach those notes.

00:28:03.940 They wrote those songs already and they don't want to rewrite all the harmonies.

00:28:06.900 Well, first of all, she's a woman. 0.99

00:28:07.660 Well, if it's a role for a woman, a trans man's not going to want to play that. 1.00

00:28:10.680 Yeah, first of all. 0.99

00:28:12.040 I'm like, so you're being hateful for no fucking reason. 0.97

00:28:14.040 And it says, they wrote the songs already. 0.99

00:28:15.620 They don't want to rewrite harmonies.

00:28:16.700 I think if you can't rewrite it, at least not the few lines you have her sing, maybe

00:28:22.940 you shouldn't be doing that.

00:28:24.500 Yeah.

00:28:24.980 You can't adjust key.

00:28:26.120 You know what I mean?

00:28:26.540 You know, sometimes people are like, can you change the key?

00:28:28.660 And then they're like, sure.

00:28:29.380 And they just start playing.

00:28:30.860 You know what I mean?

00:28:31.660 Yeah.

00:28:32.320 Like composers.

00:28:33.140 Right.

00:28:33.280 They know how to do that.

00:28:34.140 Yeah.

00:28:34.360 I was like.

00:28:35.040 Couldn't be me.

00:28:35.800 Yeah.

00:28:35.960 I was like, I personally.

00:28:37.060 Do you have any musical abilities?

00:28:38.620 Can you sing?

00:28:40.060 I try to sing.

00:28:41.200 For fun.

00:28:41.880 I don't do it in public.

00:28:43.560 Yeah.

00:28:43.680 I was going to say, I can't.

00:28:44.720 How about you?

00:28:45.000 I wish.

00:28:45.820 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 I mean, I'm not tone deaf, which is what I told the people I auditioned for, by the

00:28:49.700 way.

00:28:49.980 I said, I'm not.

00:28:51.020 They're like, we'll be the judge of that.

00:28:53.140 They said, based off that video you sent us, I would disagree.

00:28:56.980 I'm like, I'm not tone deaf, but I, I like, I wouldn't say I'm a singer by no means.

00:29:02.240 There's a reason why I gained a platform from being funny.

00:29:05.440 You know what I mean?

00:29:06.280 It's just singing is not on the cards for me.

00:29:08.800 If I'm being honest, I think I would be too powerful if I could sing.

00:29:11.900 That's right.

00:29:12.480 Yeah.

00:29:12.760 Like the universe had to humble me.

00:29:14.100 They were like, if I give you the ability to sing, who knows what you'll do?

00:29:18.740 I feel like comedians make the best, like singers and actors.

00:29:21.800 You think?

00:29:21.920 Because the timing is there.

00:29:23.440 T. 0.98

00:29:23.860 The knowledge of like how fucked up people are, which is like what you draw on to make 0.98

00:29:28.120 a character. 0.98

00:29:28.980 It's all there.

00:29:29.800 That's what I'm saying.

00:29:30.480 Like, I think I could act.

00:29:32.260 Yeah.

00:29:32.420 But I think I was like, but singing, I wish.

00:29:35.520 That is like a specific skill.

00:29:36.740 It is.

00:29:37.540 And I'm jealous.

00:29:38.860 Okay.

00:29:39.400 I wish I could.

00:29:40.480 I hate when like people act like the text of a show is like so sacred.

00:29:45.540 Like I, but maybe that's because like, I love to completely change the meanings of songs

00:29:49.440 when I perform to them.

00:29:50.380 Yeah, totally.

00:29:51.400 Like I'll like edit.

00:29:52.640 Yeah.

00:29:53.200 The track of a really famous work of music just to serve my performance.

00:29:58.000 So nothing's sacred.

00:29:59.520 That's what I'm saying.

00:30:00.440 At least we can change the key.

00:30:01.620 Yeah, we can, we can work.

00:30:02.840 There's always a workaround.

00:30:04.080 And how are you going to perform like a musical from the like 1930s or 40s and not update the

00:30:08.120 language a little.

00:30:08.900 There's some problematic stuff in there.

00:30:10.420 You have to tweak.

00:30:12.260 And if you're going to do it with all trans people and then it's like Oklahoma, no changes. 1.00

00:30:17.160 Sorry.

00:30:18.000 Make it work.

00:30:18.900 Yeah.

00:30:19.180 I want to tell you.

00:30:19.640 That makes sense.

00:30:20.160 Hello, Dolly.

00:30:20.820 Sorry.

00:30:21.380 Make it work.

00:30:21.960 Don't know what to tell you.

00:30:22.960 Yeah.

00:30:23.220 It makes, it's, it's, it feels like almost petty because it's like, you just are refusing

00:30:29.680 to just for no reason.

00:30:30.620 Like there's no, there's no valid reason why you wouldn't want to make those kinds of changes.

00:30:34.720 I don't think.

00:30:35.340 And this next one says there are trans women that have soprano voices.

00:30:40.340 Yeah.

00:30:40.900 Okay.

00:30:41.060 She's not one of them.

00:30:42.140 Right.

00:30:42.780 Okay.

00:30:43.740 Like, wow.

00:30:44.520 You don't want to limit.

00:30:46.100 Well, yeah.

00:30:46.720 You can consider.

00:30:47.720 Absolutely.

00:30:48.320 Cause then your pool gets even smaller.

00:30:50.080 You're already asking for trans women who can sing or, and are willing to be on stage

00:30:54.740 in a production like that.

00:30:55.860 So that's already a small enough pool.

00:30:58.640 Yeah.

00:30:59.040 You start ruling people out because you're just too lazy to change the key.

00:31:01.640 I'm, I doubt you're going to have many left after that.

00:31:04.680 And it's like, you know, let's cancel this production.

00:31:08.900 I'm not usually like that, but there's no point.

00:31:11.600 I feel like if they're requiring people to be as, as like cisgender as possible, like you're 0.76

00:31:16.880 not actually accepting of trans people.

00:31:18.920 Exactly.

00:31:19.380 And then it's disingenuous and weird.

00:31:21.500 And then you're just exploiting trans people at that point. 0.72

00:31:24.440 You're not even like, not even really creating an environment for them where they can feel

00:31:28.400 safe.

00:31:28.600 Right.

00:31:28.780 Creating accommodations.

00:31:29.840 Absolutely.

00:31:31.380 Okay.

00:31:31.800 Spectrum.

00:31:32.380 For real.

00:31:33.100 Okay.

00:31:33.260 This next video, this says the title text over this TikTok says, does anyone feel like

00:31:38.120 actors just aren't good these days?

00:31:40.200 And the person says they've been trying to watch sitcoms, but all of the acting is bad,

00:31:44.180 cringy and over emotional.

00:31:46.620 And then this first comment says, I think you're also just aware that they're cringe theater

00:31:50.480 kids. 0.98

00:31:51.500 Who do you think was in movies and shit before? 0.99

00:31:55.020 What do you think a sitcom is? 0.97

00:31:57.680 You know, what's so funny is like me doing this now.

00:32:00.300 I'm like most like really, and you know, this really, really famous people like, like

00:32:06.320 a list celebrities.

00:32:07.580 They're weird. 1.00

00:32:09.080 They're fucking weird. 1.00

00:32:10.160 Are they not? 1.00

00:32:10.820 They're weird.

00:32:11.560 They are. 0.81

00:32:12.620 They're all theater kid weirdos.

00:32:14.260 Like if you're not weird and creepy, like you have no intensity to draw on to be interesting.

00:32:19.900 Exactly.

00:32:20.340 That's my point.

00:32:20.980 I'm like, you would be shocked.

00:32:22.600 Like I was like the way some of y'all would be shocked to meet famous people and see how

00:32:26.700 normal and weird they are.

00:32:28.340 Yeah.

00:32:28.740 Like in a casual setting, like any award shows, like, and all those girl awkward, the freaks 1.00

00:32:35.820 come out awkward.

00:32:37.220 They're so awkward.

00:32:38.520 The amount of people I've met where I'm like, are you good?

00:32:41.120 Like, have you ever talked to another human?

00:32:42.800 Like ever?

00:32:43.880 Sometimes I talk to them.

00:32:45.140 I'm like, okay.

00:32:46.340 Like sometimes I leave interactions and I'm like, that was weird.

00:32:50.160 Yeah.

00:32:50.380 Like that was strange.

00:32:52.340 I'm like, do you have friends and family?

00:32:54.440 You're like, was I weird?

00:32:55.420 Yeah.

00:32:55.800 Yeah.

00:32:56.000 I sometimes start overthinking it, especially when you see them in like casual settings,

00:33:00.260 like in the most casual setting, like a house party or like an intimate dinner.

00:33:04.940 And you see them talking and you're like, damn, if anyone, if I sent this to Dumois, she 0.96

00:33:11.580 would have a field day. 0.98

00:33:12.760 Oh, okay.

00:33:13.760 Now offline, we're going to have to have some conversations.

00:33:16.480 I need those stories.

00:33:16.960 I was like, if I sent this to TNT, you guys would be shocked.

00:33:19.260 It's not even, it's not even crazy.

00:33:20.500 It's just like they're normal and strange.

00:33:22.300 Yeah.

00:33:22.540 And they're, they are very like, like you said, awkward.

00:33:25.860 Yeah.

00:33:26.380 They like the social aspect of being able to converse.

00:33:29.760 It's fun to watch.

00:33:31.140 I know.

00:33:31.800 I have a blast.

00:33:33.060 Every time I go, I have a blast.

00:33:34.460 I feel like, I feel like acting for a sitcom especially should be a little like cringy over

00:33:40.940 the top.

00:33:41.380 Yeah.

00:33:42.180 I know.

00:33:42.560 Like it's a comedy.

00:33:43.560 Yeah.

00:33:43.720 And that's how they all are.

00:33:44.700 Even if you watch like old, old sitcoms, like, like the Brady Bunch or like the Wonder

00:33:51.060 Years.

00:33:51.640 The idea that it used to be better.

00:33:53.580 Like, I feel like there's more subtlety, more nuance now, but I don't know.

00:33:57.420 Yeah.

00:33:57.760 They're like, nowadays it's all cringy.

00:34:00.560 And I'm like, like realistic characters.

00:34:03.140 Yeah.

00:34:04.180 I'm like, no, for sure.

00:34:06.460 Like, yeah.

00:34:06.840 Like in Friends, for example, I'm like, okay, those two women, one of them was unemployed 1.00

00:34:11.960 and one was a fucking line cook and they were living in a two bedroom fucking fully furnished 0.99

00:34:18.200 apartment in like the Upper West Side. 0.99

00:34:20.600 Yeah.

00:34:20.920 What about that's realistic?

00:34:22.080 Exactly.

00:34:22.580 Not one thing.

00:34:23.140 I was like, both of them are.

00:34:23.560 No conversations about like taxes or grocery shopping.

00:34:28.820 For real.

00:34:29.320 Like rent.

00:34:30.220 Like the way that none of you are behind.

00:34:31.520 Like that's what we tune into a sitcom for.

00:34:33.140 Exactly.

00:34:33.760 It's an escape.

00:34:34.580 Also, I saw that TikTok and they were bashing ghosts, which is my favorite sitcom right

00:34:39.580 now.

00:34:39.820 What sitcom is that?

00:34:40.860 It's like where this couple inherits a mansion in upstate New York that has like all these

00:34:47.620 ghosts living there and then she hits her head and can see all of them and communicate

00:34:50.820 with them.

00:34:51.260 And they are very over the top characters from all different time periods.

00:34:54.980 Okay.

00:34:55.320 I'm obsessed with it.

00:34:56.160 Like every week when it drops, I'm like, must watch immediately.

00:34:59.460 No, I'm going to have to check it out.

00:35:00.460 It's very good.

00:35:01.260 I love a corny show.

00:35:02.560 Yes.

00:35:02.920 I love a cringy little corny show.

00:35:04.960 I love it.

00:35:05.720 I eat it up.

00:35:06.700 Have you ever watched The Summer I Turn Pretty?

00:35:08.400 No.

00:35:09.200 Oh, girl.

00:35:09.600 I'm going to check it out.

00:35:10.000 It's super like young, like teen rom-com type deal.

00:35:13.440 It's super cornball, super cringy.

00:35:15.860 Can't get enough.

00:35:17.060 Every time it comes out, I'm like, oh, I'm locked in.

00:35:19.800 I'm watching every episode.

00:35:21.320 It can't all be like heavy hitting.

00:35:24.080 Yeah.

00:35:24.400 Like, what are you expecting?

00:35:25.880 Yeah.

00:35:26.240 Like harrowing every single thing you watch. 0.90

00:35:28.760 Sometimes when I see people talk shit on like silly little rom-coms or whatever, like even 0.98

00:35:34.200 the one that Anne Hathaway was just in, what was it called? 0.98

00:35:36.300 The Idea of You?

00:35:37.360 Oh, yeah.

00:35:37.940 Yeah.

00:35:38.140 Her little, it's not very good in my opinion.

00:35:41.960 And I love a cheesy rom-com and I love Anne Hathaway.

00:35:45.120 Adore her.

00:35:46.060 I just wasn't really vibing with the writing, but like it was too, that was a little too

00:35:50.020 bad.

00:35:50.620 But even then, I watched the whole thing.

00:35:52.120 Yeah.

00:35:52.620 That stuff is like, you want that on an airplane?

00:35:55.060 Yeah.

00:35:55.460 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:56.100 That's the first choice.

00:35:57.000 Great airplane movie.

00:35:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.100 I was like, I thoroughly enjoyed myself watching it, even though I didn't enjoy it that much.

00:36:02.540 Right.

00:36:03.040 Because I had to, I'm like, what happened?

00:36:04.340 Let's, I'm just a girl at the end of the day.

00:36:07.080 Just want to watch something cute and fun.

00:36:08.700 Same.

00:36:09.260 Doesn't need to be serious.

00:36:10.260 Same girl.

00:36:10.860 Even like The Wedding Planner with J-Lo.

00:36:12.940 Oh, watch that every year.

00:36:14.240 I love that movie.

00:36:15.440 The Holiday.

00:36:16.160 That's so good.

00:36:16.580 That is the one.

00:36:17.820 Love. 0.71

00:36:18.160 I was like, it's cheesy and silly.

00:36:20.860 Love it. 0.84

00:36:21.440 Can't get enough. 0.99

00:36:22.160 I'm like, some of you guys are so fucking boring. 0.99

00:36:23.600 What do you watch? 0.99

00:36:24.120 NPR?

00:36:24.580 Yeah, what do they watch?

00:36:25.780 She's watching CNN on a loop.

00:36:26.440 What is an example of good acting in their mind?

00:36:29.880 Also, how exhausting to watch something so serious and like traumatizing all the time.

00:36:35.300 You don't want to have a little fun?

00:36:36.620 Just a little bit?

00:36:37.320 The worst acting to me is like too earnest.

00:36:41.040 Yeah.

00:36:41.140 Where like everything's really subtle and it's like the eyebrows raised for every line.

00:36:46.300 And I can veer that way a little bit myself.

00:36:49.980 And it's meant to be like subtle, but it's not.

00:36:52.540 And it's so real.

00:36:52.980 Yeah.

00:36:53.300 You're like, do you know real people are crazy?

00:36:56.500 Like you have to be over the top to be real.

00:36:58.940 Yeah, absolutely.

00:37:00.240 That's why I said it takes a little weirdo to be able to act properly and like a normal person.

00:37:06.260 Exactly.

00:37:07.140 Exactly.

00:37:08.040 This next one says, nobody takes themselves seriously anymore.

00:37:12.060 Just look at society.

00:37:13.360 All right.

00:37:14.720 Well, what are you, a hundred?

00:37:16.680 Look at these kids nowadays.

00:37:18.540 You can never win.

00:37:19.960 Yeah.

00:37:20.540 Most comments when I like try to talk about political things, which are important to me,

00:37:24.040 I was like, yeah, you need to take yourself less seriously.

00:37:28.840 Like I am wearing four pairs of tights and clown makeup right now.

00:37:33.820 Trust me.

00:37:34.680 I don't take myself seriously.

00:37:35.680 Yeah.

00:37:36.020 Trust me.

00:37:36.900 Trust me.

00:37:37.620 There's not a lot of serious going on in my life all the time.

00:37:40.780 Um, uh, this one says they're just unoriginal and it's like they're acting a part that already

00:37:45.100 exists instead of a new one.

00:37:47.700 Again, like what are we talking about?

00:37:48.620 But they didn't write it.

00:37:49.640 Yeah.

00:37:49.880 I was going to say.

00:37:50.440 Like if the writing's bad, that's not their fault.

00:37:52.320 Exactly.

00:37:52.940 And you know what's funny is that Anne Hathaway movie, I remember seeing something that someone

00:37:57.120 had asked her like, oh, like, are you, you know, planning on doing a sequel to this

00:38:01.800 movie or whatever?

00:38:02.400 And she goes, no, one's enough. 1.00

00:38:04.120 Like she was dead ass. 1.00

00:38:05.120 Like, no, I'm good. 1.00

00:38:06.260 And I said, I hope you got a big fat bag off that movie and you left, girl. 0.86

00:38:09.600 I'm sure she did.

00:38:10.480 Bounced. 1.00

00:38:10.920 Like you just made like seven mil off that shit and just walked away. 1.00

00:38:13.560 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:13.980 Yeah.

00:38:14.340 Take your chips.

00:38:14.960 Get out of the casino.

00:38:16.180 You don't need to do another one.

00:38:17.220 Exactly. 1.00

00:38:17.680 She goes, this is dog shit. 1.00

00:38:18.660 I know that. 1.00

00:38:19.680 I'm here for a check. 0.97

00:38:20.960 Even like Meryl Streep has done some like silly rom-coms too. 0.79

00:38:25.120 It's part of the game.

00:38:26.420 That's like, it's part of the game. 1.00

00:38:27.460 And honestly, sometimes maybe they just want to fuck around. 0.99

00:38:29.780 They just want to have fun. 0.99

00:38:30.720 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:31.040 Maybe sometimes they're like, okay, well, I did all this serious shit. 1.00

00:38:33.240 I want an Oscar. 1.00

00:38:34.440 Yeah. 0.80

00:38:34.800 I'm going to do a silly little rom-com where I fall in love with a 24 year old.

00:38:39.280 Thoughts? 0.81

00:38:39.900 That's range.

00:38:40.980 That's what we're looking for in our divas. 1.00

00:38:43.300 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:44.540 Range.

00:38:45.240 I know. 0.99

00:38:45.500 I was like, you got to have at least one, like one little fuck off movie. 0.98

00:38:49.460 I'm like, oh, can you not do Lighthearted? 0.99

00:38:52.480 Now I'm judging.

00:38:54.220 Right.

00:38:54.580 It's like, it's just like Joey King when she's in the kissing booth, but then she was also in

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00:40:00.640 Range.

00:40:01.440 That is range.

00:40:02.380 Mm-hmm.

00:40:02.900 Range.

00:40:04.080 That sounds like she could do, but could any of you do the kissing?

00:40:07.000 Could Denzel Washington do the kissing booth?

00:40:08.860 Right.

00:40:09.420 Exactly.

00:40:09.940 We'd like to see it.

00:40:10.640 He couldn't.

00:40:11.460 He could never.

00:40:13.900 Joey King could do fences, but he couldn't do the kissing booth. 1.00

00:40:19.420 That's really fucked up. 0.99

00:40:20.680 Okay, I know. 0.99

00:40:21.700 Throne, thrown down.

00:40:22.720 Gauntlet throne.

00:40:23.860 Yeah, consider the gauntlet throne.

00:40:26.660 Timothy Chalamet.

00:40:27.920 You tried doing it. 1.00

00:40:29.480 Me just talking shit on Timothy Chalamet. 0.99

00:40:32.100 I agree. 0.99

00:40:32.880 I feel like people, like you said, they either take themselves way too seriously or not serious

00:40:38.220 enough.

00:40:38.540 I feel like also, too, this kind of energy gives me, like, someone who just likes to

00:40:42.760 hate things that are universally loved.

00:40:44.700 Mm-hmm.

00:40:44.860 So they're kind of like, well, I don't like it. 1.00

00:40:47.100 It's just not my, like, okay, well, you're not going to win a fucking medal because you 0.98

00:40:50.400 don't like what everybody else likes. 0.98

00:40:51.840 Right.

00:40:52.260 People like that are irritating to me.

00:40:53.580 It's like the Taylor Swift hatred.

00:40:55.840 Exactly.

00:40:56.080 It's like-

00:40:57.040 Exactly.

00:40:57.600 That's not a personality.

00:40:58.840 You actually have no personality now.

00:41:00.840 Yeah, the same.

00:41:01.560 Yeah, it's kind of the same.

00:41:02.720 It's the same exact thing as, like, people who say, like, oh, people who are obsessed

00:41:06.520 with her have no personality.

00:41:07.740 I'm like, okay, but you're obsessed with her in a different way.

00:41:09.940 Yeah.

00:41:10.220 And that's also no personality. 1.00

00:41:11.600 Like, it's the same shit. 0.99

00:41:12.780 Like, and honestly, I feel like someone who is, I feel like comfortable and confident in 0.99

00:41:19.180 who they are can acknowledge when people have talent.

00:41:22.340 Yeah.

00:41:22.560 Even if it's not something that you particularly enjoy.

00:41:25.060 Exactly.

00:41:25.560 You know what I mean? 0.96

00:41:25.860 Like, you don't need to hate and talk shit on it just because you personally don't like 0.98

00:41:30.060 it. 0.97

00:41:30.660 Like, you know what I do when I don't like art?

00:41:32.260 I just don't consume it.

00:41:33.420 Right.

00:41:33.880 It's pretty simple.

00:41:34.680 Like, if it's just not my vibe, I'm like, eh, that's not really my vibe.

00:41:37.280 I still consume it because I'm a masochist about it.

00:41:40.180 Like, I hate this so much.

00:41:41.660 Sometimes I still be watching it.

00:41:43.300 Exactly.

00:41:43.860 Sometimes.

00:41:44.340 But even then, I'm like, I've even, I was just talking to someone about this the other

00:41:47.060 day, but I was talking about how, like, there's a lot of power and autonomy in admitting when

00:41:51.340 you're being a hater. 0.80

00:41:52.380 Yeah.

00:41:52.600 Like, you're like, okay, I need to be a hater for, like, just a second.

00:41:55.240 Right. 0.98

00:41:55.420 I want to talk mad shit on this person who's never done anything to me, but they just, 0.98

00:41:58.600 they irk something in my spirit. 0.98

00:42:00.220 And sometimes when you talk it and talk about it out loud and admit it, then you realize 0.99

00:42:04.300 I'm being a fucking hater. 0.99

00:42:05.480 Right. 0.99

00:42:06.160 I'm going to calm down.

00:42:07.240 Because there is, like, meaningful criticism.

00:42:09.160 Absolutely.

00:42:09.460 It's not like anything.

00:42:10.720 It's hate.

00:42:11.100 Like, we can criticize TV shows for being badly written and having unoriginal characters.

00:42:15.340 Yeah.

00:42:15.620 But I think when it's just too general, it lacks the juiciness of a good read.

00:42:22.420 The range.

00:42:23.080 The range.

00:42:25.040 That's what I was like.

00:42:25.540 At least I'm admitting it when I'm being a hater.

00:42:27.300 I'm like, I have no valid reason to feel this way.

00:42:29.960 Love that.

00:42:30.120 And then once you talk through it, you're like, that sounds kind of awful.

00:42:33.120 All right, I'm going to calm down.

00:42:33.580 And then you recognize that that's alone with your friend's thoughts.

00:42:36.760 Exactly.

00:42:37.120 Not a right on social media.

00:42:39.080 Exactly.

00:42:39.620 I will say, though, sometimes when I do watch things, I think to the point of, like, oh, they're

00:42:44.000 just playing characters they've seen before, I do think a lot of acting is drag.

00:42:47.760 And they're, like, portraying ideas of being a woman.

00:42:53.040 Absolutely. 0.95

00:42:53.820 Like, when I go see a play, I see, because, you know, a lot of the actors are gay. 0.91

00:42:56.980 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:57.400 And they butch it up so much.

00:42:58.820 It's comical.

00:42:59.740 I'm like, it's a bunch of drag kings in front of me. 1.00

00:43:01.980 Like, legs wide, walking like this.

00:43:07.120 You're like, no way.

00:43:08.240 Not all straight men are cowboys.

00:43:10.920 Yeah.

00:43:11.520 You know who's actually really good at that?

00:43:13.620 Jonathan Bailey.

00:43:14.820 Yes.

00:43:15.420 Right?

00:43:15.800 Yes. 0.98

00:43:16.340 Gay, but can play a straight man. 0.97

00:43:18.900 And it isn't, like. 0.89

00:43:19.520 Without giving, like.

00:43:20.240 Without giving a little too much.

00:43:21.480 Cowboy, yeah.

00:43:22.000 Yeah, a cowboy, like, giving Clint Eastwood, like, just the most manly person they can think

00:43:27.620 of.

00:43:27.720 Even straight guys, like, fall for that trap.

00:43:29.660 And that's, actually, you know what, that's so true what you said, too, because that's

00:43:33.160 also the same way they write women or, like, feminism.

00:43:36.560 Right. 0.98

00:43:37.180 Like, even in that fucking Anne Hathaway movie where you're just constantly doing PR for 0.99

00:43:40.480 it, they, like, there's, like, a part where she's, like. 0.98

00:43:42.580 It's like reverse PR, though.

00:43:44.620 There's, like, a part where the daughter's, like, telling her, like, oh, you know, and

00:43:48.640 you said he was a feminist. 1.00

00:43:49.960 And, like, not once have they talked about feminism the entire fucking movie. 0.99

00:43:54.280 Like, so they're like, what? 0.99

00:43:55.920 You're kind of, like, as an audience person, you're like, when did he say he was a feminist?

00:43:59.660 And she goes, you don't want to be with a guy who's a feminist? 1.00

00:44:04.140 What the fuck, girl? 1.00

00:44:05.120 What are we talking about? 1.00

00:44:06.340 Like.

00:44:06.760 It's just random words.

00:44:08.160 That's one of those things where you're, like.

00:44:09.040 They're not backing it up.

00:44:09.720 Yeah.

00:44:10.140 Where you're, like, real life people don't talk that way.

00:44:12.700 You know what I mean?

00:44:13.620 Yeah.

00:44:14.120 They don't talk like that.

00:44:15.760 But you said he's a feminist. 1.00

00:44:18.380 When did she say that?

00:44:19.560 I didn't even hear that part.

00:44:21.160 I was like, was I watching the whole movie?

00:44:23.140 Cut scene.

00:44:23.640 Yeah.

00:44:24.760 Maybe that goes to the extra scenes.

00:44:27.520 Deleted scenes.

00:44:28.520 Yeah.

00:44:28.920 But you're right, though.

00:44:29.940 A lot of times it's, like, if it is writing, too, I always factor that in.

00:44:33.840 If I'm, like, I don't think they were bad.

00:44:35.620 I think maybe the writing was just off.

00:44:37.260 Right.

00:44:37.900 Because you can only work with what you have sometimes.

00:44:41.100 And, again, sometimes I think people are just, they're there for a check.

00:44:44.180 Let them collect it.

00:44:45.380 That's fine.

00:44:46.100 Let them have fun.

00:44:46.780 They don't want to argue.

00:44:47.600 They're doing the lines that were written.

00:44:48.960 Yeah.

00:44:49.320 Yeah.

00:44:49.560 They're like, listen, I'm not here to.

00:44:50.500 Making it work as good as they can.

00:44:51.720 Yeah, I'm not giving two cents.

00:44:53.060 I'm just here to fulfill my role.

00:44:55.260 Well, when it comes to casting for your show, like, how was that process for you?

00:44:59.000 Other than just getting new perspective as someone who has auditioned before.

00:45:03.040 It was fun.

00:45:04.120 Was it?

00:45:04.360 Because we had people bring in drag numbers. 0.97

00:45:06.860 I don't want to, like, ruin too much.

00:45:08.280 There's some surprises in the show.

00:45:09.960 Love.

00:45:10.600 But I'm not going to be the only drag performer in the show, which is so important to me.

00:45:14.020 Yeah.

00:45:14.240 And these casting directors who've seen a lot.

00:45:17.480 Yeah.

00:45:18.440 Were delighted by the drag.

00:45:20.220 Really?

00:45:20.460 And I felt like, okay, I've learned more about this performer from seeing them put together

00:45:24.060 their own, like, three-minute number than you can get from a scene or even a song.

00:45:28.980 Absolutely.

00:45:29.360 Because you get, like, their personality, their creativity.

00:45:32.000 And I think, you know, I'm always doing PR for drag itself.

00:45:36.500 I love it.

00:45:36.940 I'm like, it's the greatest art form.

00:45:38.460 It is.

00:45:38.720 It's got a little bit of everything.

00:45:39.900 There's humor.

00:45:40.400 And then we basically had them do a quick drag challenge, like, on Drag Race.

00:45:46.940 It was, like, get into some level of drag in, like, three minutes.

00:45:50.140 Totally.

00:45:50.700 Because, like, we want to see what you look like out of drag. 0.99

00:45:53.320 And everyone did something so fun.

00:45:54.840 And the moments as they were, like, in the corner digging in their bag, like, putting on

00:45:58.640 the wig, like, it was like a comedy routine.

00:46:01.060 Yeah.

00:46:01.340 I was like, this should be the show.

00:46:02.500 I just watched someone try to figure out drag.

00:46:04.880 Oh, they did it in front of y'all?

00:46:05.140 Yeah.

00:46:05.680 That's so funny.

00:46:06.560 Someone had us put on Sade, Smooth Operator, and then, like, was turning around and doing

00:46:12.040 pickup lines as they transformed.

00:46:14.280 It was, like, actually the most brilliant thing I've ever seen.

00:46:17.000 I love that.

00:46:18.040 And then you get, like you said, you get to be so creative.

00:46:20.560 And, like, you get to entertain.

00:46:22.320 And, like, you don't have to be any one type of queen or anything.

00:46:26.200 You can be all of it and then some, depending on what you like.

00:46:29.780 That's so cool, though.

00:46:30.760 And was it, like, it feels like maybe it was, like, a rewarding process for you, too, because

00:46:35.100 you've been doing drag for so long.

00:46:36.680 And now you get to, like, kind of give that opportunity, like, of a lifetime to other people.

00:46:40.640 It's hard because it's, like, I just want to cast everyone.

00:46:43.120 I'm like, hey, the show's changed.

00:46:44.500 I'm not in it anymore, but you all are.

00:46:46.780 I cast everybody else.

00:46:47.920 But it was nice.

00:46:48.660 And I got to, like, be an advocate for this thing that I love.

00:46:51.860 Totally.

00:46:52.420 And, you know, tell people what is not to over.

00:46:54.960 I think I got to be a voice telling people not to overlook.

00:46:57.860 Absolutely.

00:46:58.180 Certain kinds of art just because they aren't maybe what they've seen before.

00:47:02.200 Or familiar with it as intimately as other people are.

00:47:05.820 And, you know, I admire that about you, especially you.

00:47:08.640 I know you made a joke about doing drag, like, PR.

00:47:11.280 But I think that's a beautiful thing because a lot of times the only way the door is open

00:47:15.640 is if we build it ourselves and open it and walk through it and hold it open on the other side.

00:47:20.920 So I think the fact that you're continuing to do that, even though you absolutely don't need to anymore,

00:47:26.160 because at this point you are Sasha Velour, so you could just be a famous drag queen 1.00

00:47:29.360 and just live your merry life and be a success and be fabulous, which you are doing.

00:47:33.620 But in addition to that, you're also offering more opportunity for other queens that are coming.

00:47:37.940 I think that's wonderful.

00:47:38.560 I feel like I'd be a total hypocrite if I didn't do that.

00:47:41.120 And it's like, I would be lonely because I love doing drag, like, with other people who inspire me.

00:47:46.220 Absolutely.

00:47:46.520 But you're creating these new mediums, these new forms, like, you know, on Broadway and everything.

00:47:51.080 I think that's beautiful. 0.97

00:47:52.260 Drag has been in fucking Broadway forever, first of all. 1.00

00:47:54.760 Hello. 0.99

00:47:55.040 But they've never let a drag queen write her own show before. 0.90

00:47:57.500 I know, exactly.

00:47:58.100 So it's high time.

00:47:59.480 Yeah, like, written for, it's like, by us and for us kind of thing.

00:48:03.720 And I was, my gag, I'm still waiting for my free tickets because there's two shows on Broadway doing a rose petal reveal right now.

00:48:10.080 Really?

00:48:10.740 Like, copying my, so emotional.

00:48:12.160 And they haven't reached out to give me free tickets.

00:48:14.180 So Spamalot and Titanic, I'm waiting for my PR invite.

00:48:18.840 Yeah, let's go ahead and do that.

00:48:19.920 I can come coach you how to do it properly.

00:48:21.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:23.480 But it feels like that's just, that's opening the door for me.

00:48:26.500 Totally.

00:48:26.900 To actually, like, put the art of drag in its full form.

00:48:30.260 Written by a drag queen. 1.00

00:48:31.880 So that someone else can come and do it better.

00:48:33.820 Four years later.

00:48:35.700 But I want to commend you on that.

00:48:37.620 I think that's beautiful.

00:48:38.380 And I think it's really, really important.

00:48:40.760 And also, we deserve to exist, like, every marginalized person deserves to exist in every form of media.

00:48:47.480 Yes.

00:48:47.820 And it's, like, the only way you achieve, like, acceptance is by exposure a lot of times.

00:48:53.180 So the more people see it, the more people, like, normalize it, even though it's been normal forever, just not to most people.

00:49:00.280 I think the less stigma it has.

00:49:03.500 And then the less fear there is.

00:49:05.300 And, you know, it's just like a chain effect.

00:49:06.660 Hello.

00:49:07.220 Like, you're tired of the same old characters being on TV?

00:49:10.380 Like, bring in people to the writer's room and the producing table who have not been represented before.

00:49:15.720 Absolutely.

00:49:15.900 And we'll give you some new stories.

00:49:16.940 And you're doing just that.

00:49:18.740 And I commend you.

00:49:19.440 I think you're amazing and incredible.

00:49:20.840 As are you.

00:49:22.240 And to wrap this up, what would you say is your best piece of advice for whether they're looking into drag or maybe they're in the LGBTQIA plus community as a whole and want to be an entertainer?

00:49:33.700 What would you say is your best piece of advice for them coming up in the business?

00:49:38.080 Best piece of advice is, like, take big risks.

00:49:42.040 Like, every time I've had success, it's because I did something I was, like, terrified to try and I thought I might fail at.

00:49:50.000 And half the time, you do fail.

00:49:51.660 Yeah.

00:49:52.080 But you feel called to it.

00:49:52.760 But you learn how to succeed next time.

00:49:55.600 Absolutely.

00:49:55.760 And just ignore everyone's advice except what's in here.

00:49:59.520 So ignore what I said, too.

00:50:02.360 I think, too, like, if they don't have the life that you want, don't take advice from them.

00:50:07.860 Hello.

00:50:08.320 You know what I mean?

00:50:08.800 And a lot of times people who don't have the life that you want offer it unsolicited anyways.

00:50:12.640 It's always them.

00:50:13.540 Yeah.

00:50:13.920 You can just ignore that because if they don't have it, you don't need to listen to their advice.

00:50:17.460 Clearly, they don't know how to do it.

00:50:19.080 But I also think you felt called to it and you did it.

00:50:22.460 And now look at you, girl.

00:50:24.240 There's no turning back.

00:50:25.300 Period.

00:50:26.580 Obviously.

00:50:27.480 Thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:50:28.960 You're amazing.

00:50:29.320 Thank you for having me.

00:50:30.080 You're incredible.

00:50:31.500 As are you.

00:50:32.220 So where can everybody find you?

00:50:34.280 You can go to my website, SashaVelour.com.

00:50:37.040 Follow me at SashaVelour on Instagram.

00:50:40.060 I'm still doing that.

00:50:41.940 Love.

00:50:42.660 Period.

00:50:43.720 So my new show opens in August in San Diego, La Jolla, or in La Jolla, California, I guess.

00:50:50.240 Yes.

00:50:50.500 And then who knows where after that.

00:50:52.300 Absolutely.

00:50:53.280 And we're here.

00:50:54.720 We're Here is on HBO streaming Unmax season four.

00:50:58.400 Yes.

00:50:58.740 There's a pretty intense reveal performance of mine at the very, very end that closes

00:51:03.180 the season.

00:51:03.700 So you got to watch the whole thing to get there and see all my drag daughters who know 1.00

00:51:07.320 that.

00:51:07.900 And Sasha is the queen of reveals.

00:51:09.820 So you have to tune in.

00:51:10.960 I know I'm going to.

00:51:11.940 Thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:51:13.260 You're amazing.

00:51:13.940 Thank you.

00:51:14.360 I adore you.

00:51:15.280 I adore you.

00:51:16.040 This has been so much fun.

00:51:17.040 And thank you.

00:51:17.580 And thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section.

00:51:21.140 Please make sure if you're not already, which I'm sure most of you are, follow Miss Sasha

00:51:24.620 Laura and everything.

00:51:25.320 Make sure you go see her show.

00:51:26.500 Make sure you watch HBO Max.

00:51:28.100 We're here.

00:51:28.940 It's going to be very, very incredible and moving and amazing.

00:51:31.720 And honestly, that show makes me cry.

00:51:33.260 So I can't even imagine.

00:51:34.420 I'm sure it's real emo again.

00:51:35.800 Save it up.

00:51:37.680 Thank you so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section.

00:51:40.300 Don't forget new episodes drop every Wednesday.

00:51:42.740 You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms or you can watch the video exclusively

00:51:46.040 and for free on our favorite platform, Spotify.

00:51:48.440 Also, don't forget replay Fridays are now on the past bedtime YouTube channel. 0.84

00:51:53.440 The way I fucking forget the name of that segment. 0.98

00:51:55.560 Old episodes will be uploaded on there, but don't yell at me anymore about this shit. 0.99

00:51:58.660 Just go watch it on Spotify. 0.87

00:51:59.940 Thank you so much to Miss Sasha Velour.

00:52:01.620 Thank you all for joining us and I'll see you next week.

00:52:03.400 Bye.

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