The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - MONSOON MANOR Ft. Jinkx Monsoon

00:00:00.000 I have never been too stoned for the airport, but I have been that kind of stoned where I'm like, everyone knows.

00:00:08.920 Yeah.

00:00:09.460 I have to act extra normal, so then I'm like, picking up cookies, like, hmm.

00:00:15.500 You're like, this is what humans do.

00:00:17.540 You're 12 chocolate chips.

00:00:23.020 You're counting tiles.

00:00:24.340 Oh, to meal, you say. I'll try a scoop of barkeep.

00:00:30.000 Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show.

00:00:40.420 Starring me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me.

00:00:43.260 On to the guests.

00:00:44.420 There we have a living icon, a living legend.

00:00:46.940 Oh, my God, I can't believe it.

00:00:48.520 The one, the only, Jinx Monsoon.

00:00:50.920 Oh, my gosh.

00:00:52.700 Thank you, Drew.

00:00:53.640 Oh, my God, I'm honored to have you, Queen.

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00:01:26.640 Is your mom at every episode?

00:01:29.120 She sure is.

00:01:30.200 I love that.

00:01:30.840 She literally, I think out of, like, 200-something, she's only missed, like, maybe two of them.

00:01:35.400 What happened?

00:01:37.240 Something, a meteor hit her house.

00:01:39.240 That was the only thing that could keep her from there.

00:01:40.760 That's awesome.

00:01:41.620 I love a family business.

00:01:43.680 Oh, my God, yeah.

00:01:44.360 And my business is, for real, a family business.

00:01:46.600 I try to keep everything in-house.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, you know, me and my chosen family pretty much do it all.

00:01:52.200 It's like, everyone I live with also helps me in my work.

00:01:56.480 So we're all just, like, Monsoon Manor.

00:01:59.200 It's like a commune, you know?

00:02:02.500 Jinx Monsoon is an amalgamation of a lot of people's hard work.

00:02:07.520 I say that all the time.

00:02:08.880 I'm like, I am standing on the shoulders of my family.

00:02:12.100 They prop everything up for me.

00:02:13.540 And honestly, if I ever need something or someone, I'm like, I probably know someone

00:02:18.660 in my family that can do that.

00:02:20.240 Yeah, it's nice.

00:02:20.960 I'd rather do it that way.

00:02:21.740 You know, you can do it solo.

00:02:23.680 We can all find our ways of doing it, but when you get to do it the way you always wanted

00:02:29.640 to, you know?

00:02:31.100 I grew up in a big, full house.

00:02:33.660 I'm just used to a lot of people being involved in my business.

00:02:39.480 Honestly, same.

00:02:40.420 I also, like, when I travel, I take, like, people with me all the time, like, the same

00:02:45.040 people.

00:02:45.380 I always bring, like, my fiance, I always bring my sister, my hair and makeup artist, who's

00:02:49.500 also my cousin.

00:02:50.520 Yeah.

00:02:50.820 And then also Carrie, my assistant.

00:02:52.640 I, like, take all my little people with me everywhere I go.

00:02:55.500 My friend, assistant, Sky, we've known each other for 20 years.

00:03:00.440 We were, like, kids together.

00:03:01.340 How does that work when you're 25?

00:03:03.340 Oh, well.

00:03:04.560 You know.

00:03:06.700 I was a baby genius.

00:03:08.500 Yes.

00:03:08.740 No, Sky and I met, like, around the same time I started drag.

00:03:14.360 Oh, my God.

00:03:14.840 So, what's really special about traveling and doing things these days with the people

00:03:22.780 who have been with me so long is Sky saw the very first iterations of what became my

00:03:30.480 whole career.

00:03:31.540 Period.

00:03:31.880 We're talking, like, 17-year-olds in an all-ages queer dance club putting on drag shows themed

00:03:39.880 around Romeo and Juliet.

00:03:42.040 Oh, you know.

00:03:42.700 Like, just we.

00:03:43.360 And loved you through it.

00:03:44.640 Yeah.

00:03:45.200 Oh, that's amazing.

00:03:46.340 And we had a good time.

00:03:48.440 We did Rocky Horror way back when.

00:03:50.940 Oh, my God.

00:03:51.560 How exciting.

00:03:53.080 Yeah.

00:03:53.520 That's crazy.

00:03:54.180 How full circle.

00:03:55.100 Yeah.

00:03:55.460 I'm not doing Rocky Horror.

00:03:57.000 No, I know.

00:03:57.460 But I have a lot of friends in it.

00:03:58.960 So, congrats, everyone.

00:03:59.060 I just mean you circling back around.

00:04:00.940 And, like, now you're on Broadway again.

00:04:03.280 The same people in tow.

00:04:04.840 I think that's amazing.

00:04:05.940 It's, yeah.

00:04:06.560 It's been a fun time in life in spite of things.

00:04:10.420 Oh, my God.

00:04:11.060 Right?

00:04:11.340 Like, girl, that's all we can do.

00:04:14.020 My sister and I were joking about this literally yesterday that, like, everything is so terrible.

00:04:18.420 I think because we were talking about the time change.

00:04:19.900 And she was like, do you like the time change?

00:04:21.720 And I was like, I don't know.

00:04:23.480 We're at war.

00:04:24.500 I don't know.

00:04:25.680 I don't know.

00:04:26.480 We're at war.

00:04:27.120 I don't know anything.

00:04:28.240 Daylight savings time.

00:04:29.320 I know.

00:04:30.080 It's kind of.

00:04:31.120 I don't know.

00:04:31.420 We woke up that day.

00:04:32.880 And I was like, the oven clock's wrong.

00:04:36.680 Is it the day?

00:04:38.320 Did we spring forward?

00:04:40.560 And Sky just goes, oh.

00:04:43.880 So that was your confirmation.

00:04:45.480 Yeah, that was the confirmation.

00:04:46.460 That we did, in fact.

00:04:47.480 But I was telling her.

00:04:48.040 I remember it used to be an event.

00:04:50.820 An announcement.

00:04:52.320 I know.

00:04:52.720 For real.

00:04:52.900 Someone would shout it from the town square.

00:04:55.200 And now, I was like, now we have to find joy in very small things.

00:04:58.740 We have to.

00:05:00.140 I've joked about this many times.

00:05:01.640 I joked about this with Chapel when I had her on. 1.00

00:05:03.680 But I was like, everyone that works for me and with me is gay. 0.66

00:05:06.800 Yeah. 0.97

00:05:07.120 Whether half gay or full gay, all of them gay. 1.00

00:05:09.680 The entertainment industry has always been largely generated by and supported by the queer community.

00:05:20.080 Right.

00:05:20.400 And, you know, it's just now the ratio to, like, queer performers being on stage and in front of the light is much larger.

00:05:34.100 But, like, and being vocal about your queer glam squad, it's like, why keep it a secret?

00:05:41.140 Yeah.

00:05:42.240 But then there's a lot of men who just happen to be straight, who also work with us.

00:05:47.240 And they're nice, too.

00:05:48.540 Yeah.

00:05:49.020 And they're all right.

00:05:50.100 They're all right.

00:05:51.180 They're a guest in the house, but they're all right.

00:05:53.240 If they can chill, they can stay.

00:05:56.060 Yeah, as long as they take their shoes off and act accordingly, yeah, they'll be all right.

00:06:00.200 I know I feel like recently I had to let someone go, but it was, like, one of the few straight people on my team, straight men.

00:06:07.240 And you were afraid you're going to look like...

00:06:09.700 Prejudice.

00:06:10.500 You're heterophobic.

00:06:11.860 Yeah.

00:06:12.200 I look like I'm reversing DEI that way.

00:06:14.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:15.240 I'm doing it the opposite way. 0.88

00:06:16.680 But I literally was like, I need only girls and gays. 1.00

00:06:20.700 Girls and gays.

00:06:21.320 I'm sorry.

00:06:21.760 They're going to get the job done.

00:06:22.740 I don't know what to tell you.

00:06:23.600 Fems and theys. 1.00

00:06:24.180 Yeah, fems and... 1.00

00:06:24.820 There you go.

00:06:25.300 Yeah.

00:06:25.720 I need it.

00:06:26.920 Well, it's just, you know, there's different types of energies.

00:06:33.700 There's type A, type B people.

00:06:36.400 There's people like me. 1.00

00:06:37.920 And there's assholes, you know? 0.99

00:06:39.680 There's, like... 1.00

00:06:41.680 You're not type A or B?

00:06:43.120 What would you...

00:06:43.640 You're somewhere in the middle?

00:06:44.280 I thought I was type A, but it turns out, no.

00:06:49.200 Girl, but my chosen family has told me otherwise.

00:06:50.400 I guess I don't really know the difference, which probably makes me type B.

00:06:55.260 Yes, it would, yeah.

00:06:56.940 I'm more of a type A.

00:06:58.460 But I will say there's an asterisk next to it because I have extremely type A friends. 0.99

00:07:03.120 So when they're with me, I get to be dumb. 0.99

00:07:07.220 I get to be so useless. 0.99

00:07:08.280 I get to be type B. 0.69

00:07:09.180 I worry more about my sign being a Virgo.

00:07:14.020 We have the same birthday.

00:07:15.140 Yes, we're both Virgos.

00:07:16.180 We do have the same birthday.

00:07:17.180 That's right.

00:07:18.140 Oh, my God.

00:07:19.980 I'm like a quintessential Virgo.

00:07:22.460 Me too.

00:07:22.940 And so I love being in charge.

00:07:25.820 But if I can't be fully in charge, then I just play dead.

00:07:30.240 I'm like... 0.88

00:07:31.000 You just pull a possum.

00:07:31.800 And as soon as someone's like, yeah, we can do it your way, but just kind of more like this, I'm like, oh, well, then it's not my way, is it?

00:07:38.960 And then I guess you got it.

00:07:40.460 I guess you got it.

00:07:41.480 Go ahead.

00:07:41.800 Take it.

00:07:42.720 I feel the same way.

00:07:43.820 I feel the same exact way.

00:07:46.740 But I also like, I've had so many friends of different times with qualities I admire that I've learned to kind of like selectively micromanage.

00:07:59.720 Like if I'm going to hire a glam team or a PR person or whomever, I really like to trust that they know how to do their job and not try to micromanage things and then only speak if absolutely necessary.

00:08:17.840 You're so me.

00:08:18.840 Same thing.

00:08:19.440 Same with me.

00:08:20.300 I'm very like, sometimes I'm like, I'm gonna let you do your thing.

00:08:22.720 Well, I want the same trust, right?

00:08:25.580 Like, likewise, if I give you the same trust, then you'll trust me when I really like speak up and say, wait, no, that can't happen.

00:08:33.360 Yeah.

00:08:34.420 Sometimes you got to get in there, of course, correct.

00:08:36.280 Sometimes you got to get in there.

00:08:37.500 Yeah, just a little bit.

00:08:38.500 Just let me get in there just a little bit. 0.61

00:08:39.940 I know because in the beginning for a while when I started doing this, I was still like buying my own flights.

00:08:44.820 I was still booking my own hotels.

00:08:46.340 Like I was still doing all of that stuff myself because I was like, I need to be able to control and know where we're going, when we're going, that kind of thing.

00:08:52.620 When I got a travel agent, I was like, whoa.

00:08:55.880 When you're at the place where you can start hiring a team and delegating things, what it means is you get to focus way more on the creative aspects of your job and being your best self.

00:09:10.620 Totally.

00:09:10.920 And when you get to bring people along with you, it feels like, one, there's the benefit of bringing like home with you on the road.

00:09:20.460 Yes, exactly.

00:09:21.940 And then two, it's like, I know that this person has always wanted to do this and so they get to come with me and we're all having fun doing this.

00:09:29.620 You're so me.

00:09:30.100 But it's those kind, if you're like going to include the family and the friends, it means including the relationship work.

00:09:39.400 I know.

00:09:40.000 I always tell people like, if you want to hire family and friends, be ready to do the emotional work with them.

00:09:45.820 Right.

00:09:46.300 You're so right.

00:09:47.720 Yeah.

00:09:48.520 But if you need to be like emotionally distant from your team, just hire strangers.

00:09:53.880 But like, to work with the chosen family.

00:09:57.840 Yeah, there's pros and cons to it.

00:09:59.800 Whomever.

00:10:00.400 If they're close personal people, it's like you're making a choice to take that on to your existing relationship.

00:10:07.760 Right.

00:10:08.320 And it's always, it can be the best or just the worst.

00:10:12.560 But you never know until you try.

00:10:14.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:15.800 Exactly.

00:10:16.880 Unfortunately, I'm going to have to try a little.

00:10:18.680 No, I feel the same way.

00:10:19.940 And I feel like sometimes when I feel like I have to say something, I'm always very like, God, I hate when you make me act like a boss.

00:10:26.500 Don't make me do that.

00:10:27.700 I don't want to have to do that.

00:10:28.760 I want to be real chill.

00:10:29.840 I want to be super chill.

00:10:31.120 Yeah.

00:10:32.340 It's, you know, it's all a fun little dance girl bossing, isn't it?

00:10:37.580 It's true.

00:10:39.960 And it is hard sometimes.

00:10:41.620 It is hard.

00:10:42.960 And then it's also like, I don't know, do you ever just like, okay.

00:10:47.320 A lot of people keep bringing up to me, like, what would your child self say?

00:10:53.640 Oh, yeah.

00:10:53.900 And I'm like, especially with the aspects of like, claiming my gender identity and going full throttle in so many directions in my life.

00:11:04.660 Yeah.

00:11:04.860 You know, the kid version of me had really come to accept that not all of this was going to be possible, either because I was queer or because of the body I was born in or the perception of who I was.

00:11:21.140 Yeah.

00:11:21.380 And along the way, I just kind of, with that in mind, carefully edged that out and pushed those boundaries.

00:11:32.000 And now I'm here.

00:11:33.400 So it's like, I guess because I can see all the steps along the way, it's really easy to not take it for granted.

00:11:41.660 Yeah.

00:11:41.780 It's really easy to be like, I'm very grateful for this.

00:11:44.980 Yeah.

00:11:45.420 Because I worked really, really hard for it.

00:11:47.240 Hell yeah.

00:11:47.820 But then there are the days where it's like, did I really think this through?

00:11:56.220 I get it.

00:11:57.680 Especially with the internet, girl.

00:11:59.940 I get it. 0.99

00:12:01.400 I fucking get it. 0.99

00:12:02.760 It's so like, could I go get a real job? 0.99

00:12:05.120 Like, I think that sometimes.

00:12:06.340 What do I do now?

00:12:07.600 Yeah, I'm like, well, I kind of burned those bridges.

00:12:10.440 What am I going to do now?

00:12:11.940 This is kind of it for the long run.

00:12:14.360 Yeah, I was like, if I don't do this, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:12:16.540 I can't remember how to do math.

00:12:18.300 No, me either. 0.99

00:12:19.280 I really am like, I'm fucking useless. 0.99

00:12:21.760 I'm so useless outside of this job. 0.99

00:12:25.320 And then there's like, and it would be annoying to hire me. 0.76

00:12:28.900 I agree.

00:12:30.400 I'm such a personality hire.

00:12:32.520 Oh my God, that too.

00:12:34.040 Yeah, like people coming in.

00:12:35.280 I can't promise my past won't haunt me.

00:12:38.560 Like worse than his ex-worker.

00:12:40.360 My past is going to haunt us far worse than that.

00:12:42.320 I promise my boyfriend won't call, but people will be calling.

00:12:50.320 People who don't know me at all are going to be checking up on me.

00:12:53.020 You're going to want to keep me in back.

00:12:54.780 Oh my God.

00:12:56.840 Yeah, I'm going to have to be in the back.

00:12:59.600 I'm going to be up to washing dishes for sure.

00:13:01.620 If you had to pick another job, like let's say you stop doing this, what job do you think

00:13:08.600 you would want to do if you had to?

00:13:10.540 For me, the obvious choice is teacher.

00:13:13.580 Oh, I love that.

00:13:14.540 But what I think I'd actually really be happy doing is head chef of a restaurant.

00:13:21.200 Do you like to cook?

00:13:24.000 Without the training.

00:13:25.600 I mean, I need to go get the training.

00:13:28.980 It's not like I have a culinary degree, but I do love cooking.

00:13:33.400 Oh, love.

00:13:34.100 And it's, for me as a witch, I feel like I'm very much a kitchen witch.

00:13:40.700 And I express myself through acts of service and my magic is expressed through my toil and

00:13:51.360 my crafts, you know.

00:13:52.720 Oh, love that.

00:13:53.620 I didn't know you love to cook.

00:13:55.320 That's amazing.

00:13:56.060 I do.

00:13:56.680 Do you have like a special dish that is like your favorite to make?

00:13:59.580 Everyone, I won't shut up about my ratatari, so it's also become my signature dish, but

00:14:07.340 it's like, it just looks the coolest to present.

00:14:11.660 But I also do really good chicken and dumplings.

00:14:14.920 I got really good at fried chicken over lockdown. 0.99

00:14:22.060 Damn. 0.99

00:14:23.160 That sounds good as hell. 0.99

00:14:24.840 Yeah.

00:14:25.360 I like to think I'm a good cook, but I can't cook small, dainty meals.

00:14:30.440 I cook for a family.

00:14:32.820 Yeah, love.

00:14:33.460 I always invite the neighbor.

00:14:35.360 Oh, that's so nice of you.

00:14:38.160 It's like I call people up.

00:14:39.680 I'm like, I cooked enough for too many people, so please come eat tonight.

00:14:44.500 I love that.

00:14:46.200 I don't have any cooking skill whatsoever.

00:14:48.660 What do you do if you have to make yourself something?

00:14:51.280 My man makes it.

00:14:52.600 And I sit there and I talk.

00:14:55.140 I'm entertainment.

00:14:57.120 I literally made a vegan mac and cheese for Thanksgiving one year.

00:15:01.420 And I was like, I'm going to do it.

00:15:02.780 I'm going to do it for real.

00:15:04.080 And then as soon as I started putting a bunch of cashews in a blender, which is the first step, mind you, I was like, oh, why did I agree with this?

00:15:11.620 I don't want to do this.

00:15:12.440 And then he ended up finishing the rest of it.

00:15:14.000 I was like, I'm bored.

00:15:15.280 I was like, I can't.

00:15:16.340 May I ask, because we have the same birthday, when it comes to cleaning, are you an all or nothing person?

00:15:24.380 In terms of like deep cleaning?

00:15:25.960 Yeah, like I either have to deep clean and everyone needs to get out of my way or I'm going to be able to stand the mess.

00:15:33.800 Because to like kind of half clean something drives me nuts.

00:15:40.360 Because once I start, I can't stop.

00:15:41.740 Yeah.

00:15:42.200 So sometimes it's just kind of I organize the mess until I can.

00:15:46.020 Organize clutter.

00:15:46.760 Organize clutter until the deep clean.

00:15:49.060 Yes, absolutely.

00:15:49.940 That's exactly how I clean too.

00:15:51.460 My man described the other day, he was like, you're the most type A person I've ever met, but you're also like extremely type B about very specific things.

00:15:59.740 Are you that way too?

00:16:01.360 It's just very certain tasks.

00:16:03.080 I just can't be bothered.

00:16:04.040 I'm very particular just about everything.

00:16:06.940 Yes.

00:16:07.100 And I'm even particular about the things I don't want to care about.

00:16:11.060 Yeah.

00:16:11.900 Like I'm very particular about what questions just not to bug me with.

00:16:18.060 I know what I don't like.

00:16:20.060 You know what I mean?

00:16:20.620 I get that. 0.99

00:16:21.040 Everyone in my life knows she's not going to give a shit. 0.99

00:16:24.240 But so just do like don't even ask her or she's going to give you a speech about why she doesn't care. 0.99

00:16:31.060 You're so me.

00:16:32.760 You're so me.

00:16:34.340 Like literally my agent.

00:16:35.580 She's like my day one girl. 0.90

00:16:37.160 Like she's been with me forever.

00:16:38.100 As my team has grown, she's still my day one.

00:16:41.780 There are some questions she doesn't even bother me with because she's like, she's going to hate that.

00:16:45.700 The answer is no.

00:16:46.840 Like she's going to hate that.

00:16:47.820 And don't ask her in person.

00:16:49.320 And that's how you form a real good team is the people who make the decisions you would have made yourself.

00:16:57.760 Right.

00:16:58.100 Exactly.

00:16:59.060 And the people who actually like what they're doing.

00:17:02.280 Like, you know, like working on Broadway or working in theater.

00:17:08.140 Not a lot of people make it to Broadway with an ambivalent attitude towards theater.

00:17:14.780 These are like theater kids who grew up and became theater adults, right?

00:17:21.740 Yes, exactly.

00:17:22.300 And that's true for the people in the crew.

00:17:25.720 That's true for the designers.

00:17:27.800 Like to choose theater is to choose a whole lifestyle, especially when you're doing eight shows a week.

00:17:33.820 Yeah.

00:17:34.300 And that's true for the crew who has to be there to operate everything and to call the queues and everyone.

00:17:39.420 So it's like you become part of this really weird club.

00:17:46.340 Yeah.

00:17:46.880 And I love it.

00:17:48.780 It's like the, I've never felt more myself than when I can turn to someone and be like, what a cool Brechtian device.

00:17:58.660 And they're like, truly, truly.

00:18:00.700 Yeah.

00:18:01.300 They're like, oh my God, right?

00:18:03.320 They're having the same exact thought as you.

00:18:05.380 But your face about when I said Brechtian device, that's what I'm used to.

00:18:10.900 Exactly.

00:18:11.780 I was going to talk about O'Mary.

00:18:12.940 I really want to talk about O'Mary.

00:18:14.100 O'Mary is very much like that.

00:18:15.840 Yes.

00:18:16.480 People who are very passionate about what they do created that show and are keeping it going.

00:18:23.420 Yes, absolutely.

00:18:25.000 Was Broadway always like a dream of yours?

00:18:26.860 As soon as I found out there was a Broadway, as soon as I saw a touring show, it was like I always knew I wanted to be an actor.

00:18:37.520 Yes.

00:18:38.140 And I knew I wanted to be in film and TV, but I always felt like there was something special about doing it in front of people.

00:18:47.760 Yeah, totally.

00:18:48.260 And I always really resonated with it.

00:18:50.580 I also love the chance of things being unique every single night.

00:18:56.980 Yeah.

00:18:57.340 Like when you work in film and TV, it's about getting the very perfect delivery of every single line and weaving this tapestry, knowing that it will live forever.

00:19:08.720 Yeah.

00:19:09.480 But live entertainment is like part of the experience is knowing that everything that happens tonight, even if it's well rehearsed, is completely unique because there's no way to do it exactly the same.

00:19:24.080 That's such a beautiful way of looking at it.

00:19:25.640 And the spontaneity, the aliveness of it is part of the craft.

00:19:31.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:33.080 And Oh, Mary is so meticulously written and directed and styled and everything about it is the best of the best people putting their passion into it.

00:19:48.420 Kola Skola and Sam Pinkleton, they were a dream team.

00:19:52.000 They're good friends.

00:19:53.800 I cannot celebrate them enough.

00:19:55.620 But doing that show just felt like the coalescence of everything I've ever wanted to be.

00:20:04.200 And I was doing it because friends of mine made it possible.

00:20:09.560 It just felt very cosmic.

00:20:11.540 Yeah, totally.

00:20:13.300 And beautiful.

00:20:14.840 It was very beautiful.

00:20:16.420 And now I feel really ready for whatever is next. 0.85

00:20:19.080 That's so fucking incredible.

00:20:20.900 I love Broadway. 0.97

00:20:22.320 I don't have a singing bone anywhere in my body.

00:20:26.480 You don't have to.

00:20:27.620 There's plays on Broadway, too.

00:20:29.020 I know.

00:20:29.980 I was thinking about that, too.

00:20:30.820 But I want to do Broadway specifically for singing.

00:20:33.340 I just can't sing.

00:20:33.720 Well, there's character parts that don't need to sing.

00:20:37.080 I know.

00:20:37.300 There's always parts like that. 0.99

00:20:38.260 I'm an ensemble bitch. 0.99

00:20:39.640 I already know. 1.00

00:20:40.820 I already know.

00:20:41.740 Ensemble, performers are the hardest working people.

00:20:44.840 And every lead says that.

00:20:46.880 I don't want to hear it.

00:20:49.200 Cynthia Erivo told me that, too.

00:20:51.080 It's true, though. 0.82

00:20:53.020 I know it's true.

00:20:54.020 It is true.

00:20:54.440 But it's like, it's not just a soundbite.

00:20:57.400 Because listen, like, I, okay, especially in Chicago, I would sit there as Mama Morton.

00:21:05.360 It's part of my, like, blocking to sit and watch a handful of the numbers.

00:21:10.580 And I'm watching, I'm watching people swap roles midday.

00:21:17.180 Like, in the morning, one woman's doing this role, and another person's doing this role. 0.97

00:21:21.100 And then in the evening, it's everyone else.

00:21:22.900 But they all, they can just tag each other in.

00:21:25.860 Everyone knows each other's parts.

00:21:26.820 I know they're crazy while working.

00:21:27.800 And then they know my part, too.

00:21:30.380 Like, three of them know my part, too.

00:21:32.420 And so it's like, it's not just blowing smoke.

00:21:35.300 It's like, to get, that's why it's harder to replace an ensemble performer than it is a lead.

00:21:42.740 Interesting.

00:21:43.260 You can replace, like, if a lead drops out, just find someone else like them.

00:21:49.020 An ensemble person, it's like, find someone who can sing, dance, do stage combat sometimes,

00:21:56.940 and can learn seven parts by opening.

00:22:00.700 Well, now I am thinking things.

00:22:03.560 Maybe I can be on Broadway, just in the background.

00:22:08.820 Cameos, baby!

00:22:10.020 I know!

00:22:10.440 Metamorable barely sings.

00:22:13.520 That's true, you're right.

00:22:15.140 I love that part, but she's like, many years.

00:22:18.460 Right, I mean, I could do a talk sing thing.

00:22:22.140 Lin-Manuel Miranda does it.

00:22:24.160 What if I just played Hamilton?

00:22:25.840 Like, that would be great.

00:22:26.760 Yeah, just play Hamilton.

00:22:28.700 There you go.

00:22:29.800 I'll gender bend Hamilton. 0.99

00:22:31.980 Why don't you just do a one-person Hamilton?

00:22:35.660 That'll get their attention.

00:22:36.860 That's such a great idea, and I'm just ripping off the mustache.

00:22:40.020 To switch roles.

00:22:41.140 Because I love, I talk to all my friends who love Broadway about it.

00:22:44.980 Like, I just, I love Broadway, love everything about it.

00:22:46.960 I just don't have the chops, unfortunately.

00:22:48.960 Well, know thyself, you know?

00:22:51.660 Like, I know that I am not good at everything, and so I just do my best not to do those things.

00:23:02.300 It's a great rule of thumb.

00:23:07.700 You know?

00:23:08.020 And as a Virgo, though, I like to think sometimes, I think I'm like, I think singing is one of the few things I don't feel this way about.

00:23:13.960 Where when I see it, I'm like, give me a couple hours.

00:23:16.800 I'd probably master it.

00:23:17.960 Well, singing, okay, so there are things that are helpful to be born with.

00:23:25.700 Rhythm.

00:23:26.240 Right.

00:23:28.320 Intonation, pitch.

00:23:30.040 But lessons are there for a reason.

00:23:33.300 Right.

00:23:33.440 And I went into my schooling with a lot of, like, I knew what I was doing with my voice for a long time.

00:23:45.400 Yeah.

00:23:45.700 And now I'm almost 40, and I have to sing eight times a week and big songs, and I'm not using my, like, when I was young, I could just sing however I want and shout, and tomorrow I'll sound just fine.

00:24:03.160 You know?

00:24:03.500 Like, now I'm using technique more than ever.

00:24:06.300 So it's like, you can become better at something, but Virgos don't like to start at something that we don't believe we're going to be good at.

00:24:15.700 Quickly.

00:24:16.360 Exactly, yeah.

00:24:17.280 I was like, if I'm not the best, what's the point?

00:24:19.180 If I can't pick it up pretty damn fast, it's like, it's why I still don't knit.

00:24:26.060 Honestly, I think it was good that the universe didn't give me the gift of singing.

00:24:30.220 I think my ego would be too big.

00:24:31.900 No.

00:24:32.140 Honestly, I don't know.

00:24:33.020 No superhero can have every power.

00:24:34.540 Right.

00:24:34.820 God doesn't give it both hands.

00:24:36.240 That's what I think. 1.00

00:24:36.900 I'm like, he hit me with a funny bone and said, okay, send that bitch down. 1.00

00:24:39.880 She's done. 1.00

00:24:40.880 No singing for you.

00:24:41.460 But you all look at your hair.

00:24:43.180 Right.

00:24:43.400 Like, you don't, it's not like it just got the one thing.

00:24:47.180 Right.

00:24:47.480 Well, would you believe?

00:24:48.860 I do have extensions.

00:24:50.100 Would you believe?

00:24:50.900 I would believe, but it, I mean, it doesn't matter.

00:24:54.260 You're right.

00:24:54.560 I mean, look at you.

00:24:55.380 You're glowing.

00:24:56.160 There's more going on than just a funny bone.

00:24:58.600 I know.

00:24:59.220 Thank God.

00:25:00.600 Thank God.

00:25:01.480 I was like, he made me smart.

00:25:03.940 The universe made me smart and also funny, but I just didn't get the gift of singing.

00:25:07.780 But I've said before, because a lot of people, when I talk to them and they're, they're good

00:25:11.600 singers, performers for a living, they're like, you could always take lessons.

00:25:14.740 Like, they're like, you could definitely flex the muscle, maybe get better.

00:25:17.760 And I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:19.300 And then sometimes I'll say, like, don't let me find out I can sing.

00:25:23.520 If I find out, I'm dropping an EP tomorrow.

00:25:26.320 And then I'm going to go audition for Broadway.

00:25:28.440 Like, if I could.

00:25:29.380 Don't let me find out.

00:25:30.440 If I could really dance.

00:25:32.980 Yeah.

00:25:33.560 Like, I can get by dancing.

00:25:36.300 I had a lot of training in dance, mainly because I was in love with a ballet dancer for too long.

00:25:42.220 Oh, my God.

00:25:42.740 No way.

00:25:43.620 And, you know, the getting was good in ballet school.

00:25:47.480 Like, let's be honest.

00:25:49.360 In ballet school.

00:25:51.780 It was easy.

00:25:52.800 You're living center stage, the movie.

00:25:54.680 That's your whole life.

00:25:56.740 But ballet dancers are hot, you know? 0.99

00:25:59.080 It was hard to leave that world.

00:26:00.600 And strong, too.

00:26:01.580 But I really, I never really resonated well as a dancer.

00:26:07.120 I always prefer to play the acting roles.

00:26:09.960 I just wish I could dance better than I can because then I really feel like move over Selena Gomez. 0.99

00:26:17.480 Yeah, you're Selena Gomez. 0.99

00:26:23.000 I'm Benny Blanco.

00:26:24.500 So how does that work?

00:26:26.080 Well, I don't know.

00:26:33.040 What the hell was that?

00:26:35.040 I never looked into it.

00:26:36.340 But what was that?

00:26:36.960 The thing is, is like, I feel like everyone in my world was like, so what?

00:26:41.960 I do. 1.00

00:26:44.520 Gay people don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:26:46.280 Gay people don't care. 1.00

00:26:47.160 The only thing I thought was weird about it was why they did it in public. 0.98

00:26:52.560 You know, like, I kiss toes all the time, but I'm not doing in the middle of a talk show.

00:26:58.880 You know what I mean?

00:27:00.220 You see them pushing that straight agenda on us?

00:27:03.240 Nice.

00:27:04.180 Whatever you do behind closed doors, I don't care.

00:27:06.340 Just don't do it all in my face.

00:27:08.200 But, I mean, like, as a woman who is not afraid of feet, I've been teased relentlessly on the internet for even mentioning anything.

00:27:19.200 Regarding feet?

00:27:20.280 Well, it's like, you know, it's the least taboo taboo now these days.

00:27:25.680 Right, that's true.

00:27:26.800 And at the same time, still a lot of people are, like, not down.

00:27:30.760 And that's fine.

00:27:31.780 Like, they hate feet kind of deal?

00:27:34.220 And you like feet?

00:27:35.720 I like feet.

00:27:38.220 But listen, I was a gay man for 35 years, so it's like something stuck around.

00:27:46.040 Something stuck around.

00:27:47.900 What can I say?

00:27:49.900 Oh, it's a crime to like feet.

00:27:52.260 Take me away, coppers. 0.95

00:27:55.240 No, I'm happy Selena Gomez is normalizing it. 1.00

00:27:58.640 And she's doing it.

00:28:00.820 She's making a huge difference. 0.76

00:28:01.260 She's doing it for us.

00:28:02.680 Yeah.

00:28:03.260 For your community.

00:28:04.340 So that I don't have to be the one to ride that banner into water.

00:28:09.780 Are you standing behind Selena Gomez as she leads the charge on the foot-loving community?

00:28:15.680 Towering over her.

00:28:18.440 No, it's, I've just never been put off by them.

00:28:22.900 And I think maybe, I don't know, like, do you have kinks that are, like, clearly counter your sign?

00:28:31.840 Like, I'm like, I'm like, I feel like, I feel like being in defeat isn't a Virgo thing.

00:28:38.960 Yeah, that's true.

00:28:40.020 I get what you mean.

00:28:40.860 Yeah, I don't know if I have a kink that goes, I'm trying to think.

00:28:44.020 I don't really have.

00:28:44.920 Like, when a dude has a messy bedroom, it kind of turns me on.

00:28:48.880 Because I'm like, chaos.

00:28:54.280 You don't have anything like that?

00:28:56.420 Chaos.

00:28:59.780 Because I'm so about order that when I see chaos, I'm a little, like, bad boy.

00:29:04.740 Yeah, no, that's a good point.

00:29:06.400 I would say, like, I didn't care about, like, I don't know.

00:29:10.680 I think I was in fear when I was dating men, especially in college.

00:29:14.340 I was like, all of them are going to smell bad.

00:29:16.800 Like, I was, like, so condensed.

00:29:17.820 Again, I'm not the right person to talk to.

00:29:21.340 But what I'm saying is I was afraid of that.

00:29:23.380 But then when it came down to it, I really didn't care as much as I thought I would.

00:29:27.160 Well, here's the thing is, it all comes down to chemistry.

00:29:31.700 I agree.

00:29:32.560 That pheromone.

00:29:33.200 Some people are going to smell good to you and some people aren't.

00:29:37.480 I was explaining that to one of my friends the other day.

00:29:39.520 And I was like, it's a very real thing, like, the smell, the pheromone.

00:29:42.400 I think, you know, yeah.

00:29:46.720 I mean, why do we wear perfume and cologne if it's not an important scent?

00:29:51.580 Right.

00:29:52.260 Exactly.

00:29:53.140 Have you heard of vabbing?

00:29:55.140 Vabbing?

00:29:55.820 Vabbing with a B.

00:29:57.680 Is that what it's called?

00:29:58.640 Vabbing, right?

00:29:59.360 Yeah.

00:29:59.780 No, please tell me. 0.98

00:30:00.780 Like, it's like basically when anyone who has a vagina, right, uses the, like, discharge 1.00

00:30:07.500 and puts it on their, like, neck like a pheromone and then either sprays something on it or just 0.87

00:30:13.460 leaves it like that.

00:30:14.280 But it's supposed to attract the mate. 0.97

00:30:16.860 So, there you go.

00:30:18.360 You're welcome.

00:30:19.160 This makes sense to me.

00:30:22.220 That's what I said.

00:30:23.060 I said the same thing.

00:30:23.700 In the community, it's literally, like, lots of dudes specifically don't wear deodorant

00:30:30.780 so that they will attract the guys who like their funk, you know?

00:30:35.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:36.220 So, you know, it feels Celtic to me.

00:30:39.840 It feels pagan.

00:30:41.340 It feels like witchcraft, really.

00:30:43.760 Indigenous, yeah.

00:30:44.440 I can't be against it.

00:30:46.580 That's what I said.

00:30:47.240 I said the same thing.

00:30:47.680 I was like, well, low-key, it's like.

00:30:48.800 Logically, I don't, I can't be against this. 0.98

00:30:53.700 And I know you said earlier, and I knew this already about you, that you're a witch. 0.99

00:30:56.580 I'm a witch. 0.94

00:30:57.200 I would like to, I call myself a witch in training.

00:30:59.200 Yeah.

00:30:59.640 I'm learning.

00:31:00.100 Well, I mean, kind of like the first step to being a witch is making the choice to start

00:31:04.860 practicing witchcraft.

00:31:06.100 That's what my mentor said.

00:31:07.860 I said, like, how do I, how do I become a witch?

00:31:10.580 And she goes, find your connection to the divine feminine. 0.97

00:31:15.740 Find what interests you about witchcraft and start, start, start playing around, you

00:31:22.120 know?

00:31:22.300 Start tooling around.

00:31:22.980 And different people will have different opinions, but that's any craft or lifestyle

00:31:29.100 or dogma.

00:31:30.600 Yeah.

00:31:30.940 You know?

00:31:31.740 And I don't like to think of it as my religion.

00:31:33.860 It's very much my worldview and like my perspective.

00:31:38.660 Yeah.

00:31:38.920 It's spiritual practice in some way.

00:31:41.220 Spirituality is what I identify with more.

00:31:43.040 I agree. 0.92

00:31:44.080 My friend Tefi Pessoa, she's a witch. 1.00

00:31:47.140 So she's been teaching me and my sister how to be witches.

00:31:49.180 I bought books.

00:31:50.620 I bought candles.

00:31:52.180 I got crystals.

00:31:52.900 I got all the works.

00:31:54.640 And then we do moon water and stuff on full moons.

00:31:57.300 All that stuff.

00:31:58.140 Still learning.

00:31:59.120 And as soon as you start giving it intention, you'll start noticing it.

00:32:05.060 Right.

00:32:05.400 I agree.

00:32:06.200 As much as you put in, you'll get back from it.

00:32:09.540 And my mentor is Pam Grossman.

00:32:15.040 We're good pals.

00:32:16.180 She's a wonderful author.

00:32:17.600 Waking the Witch is a great place to start. 0.94

00:32:20.520 Oh my gosh.

00:32:20.940 Good to know.

00:32:21.740 She did a blessing at my Carnegie Hall show.

00:32:26.020 Oh, wow.

00:32:26.460 So we did like a mass spell at Carnegie Hall.

00:32:30.960 It was very, very cool.

00:32:33.840 That felt like one of the more punk rock things I've done in my life.

00:32:37.500 I was like, Carnegie Hall subscribers, now give me your energy as I cast this spell. 0.90

00:32:45.520 It's also very gay. 0.99

00:32:47.220 Very gay. 0.99

00:32:48.620 And a little bit Ghostbusters. 0.97

00:32:50.780 Yes.

00:32:51.660 Oh, I love that.

00:32:53.600 Oh, I'm obsessed with that.

00:32:55.140 That's such a good idea.

00:32:56.620 I love that.

00:32:57.620 Yeah.

00:32:58.960 So she said, you know, it's just about intention.

00:33:02.280 But she said specifically, it's about, in her definition, your connection to the divine feminine.

00:33:11.200 And that does not mean only women can practice witchcraft.

00:33:14.640 But it's acknowledging that witchcraft is an acknowledgement of femininity as the divine source of creation. 0.62

00:33:25.140 But motherhood is where it all begins.

00:33:28.180 And with Pam, our spell that we cast was very much about liberating the divine feminine, cleansing the divine masculine that's become, he's become a little, he's become a little jaded, you know, a little toxic. 0.82

00:33:46.380 Yeah, for real.

00:33:47.160 And, and setting free the divine androgen.

00:33:50.380 Ooh.

00:33:51.940 So, I really think we're in this, like, shift of consciousness towards gender and all this upset and all this fighting was just preparing us to realize that it wasn't worth it in the first place. 0.99

00:34:08.500 No shit, for real. 0.98

00:34:10.740 No, for real. 1.00

00:34:11.800 And also, I, I, I love that, too, because even, um, one time there was someone that I, uh, do not like because they're a bad person and a bigot. 0.98

00:34:21.400 Like, but they were talking shit on me or, like, basically implying they were talking shit on me, but for no reason. 0.88

00:34:27.700 Like, me and this person are not friends. 0.96

00:34:29.220 We're not connected in any way.

00:34:30.180 They were just being annoying.

00:34:31.560 Uh, for, like, clout, attention, whatever you want to call it.

00:34:34.180 And I texted my friend Debbie about it.

00:34:36.080 And I was, like, we were talking about it.

00:34:37.520 And she was, like, you know what you have to do.

00:34:39.380 You have to do a spell.

00:34:40.360 And so she taught me how to, she told me to write, like, intention, like, their name on a piece of paper, write, like, what I don't want them to do.

00:34:47.460 And she was, like, I never use this spell to, like, cause harm to anyone, which you can include in the prayer or whatever when you put it in the jar.

00:34:53.620 She had me write it all on a piece of paper, fold it up a million times, put it in a jar.

00:34:57.600 Then I put a bunch of, like, sour things in there, like, uh, just, like, bitter, tart things in there.

00:35:03.100 And then put it in my freezer.

00:35:04.900 And then next day, nothing else.

00:35:07.520 Like, literally almost immediately nothing else.

00:35:09.480 And he was, like, teasing.

00:35:10.740 This person was, like, teasing, talking about me.

00:35:12.780 Do you know what I like to think?

00:35:15.320 I like to think that either way, you know, our brains are such powerful things.

00:35:22.900 Yes.

00:35:23.400 And we can give things so much power.

00:35:27.420 And when I do a spell similar to what you just said, it's like telling my brain, you've worried as much as you possibly can about this.

00:35:38.520 Yes.

00:35:39.200 And your brain can't fix this problem.

00:35:42.020 But maybe this spell can.

00:35:44.260 Yeah.

00:35:44.520 So you're going to do this spell.

00:35:46.140 And then from that point on, you're going to stop thinking about it because it's the spell's job.

00:35:50.660 Yeah.

00:35:51.420 Because there are problems that you can't think away.

00:35:54.820 Yeah.

00:35:55.200 And sometimes there are problems that you can't engage with because, like, that's, there's no reason to, you know.

00:36:03.400 So witchcraft, to me, picks up where my psychiatry and therapy leaves off.

00:36:09.340 It's like they help me identify what I have to focus on.

00:36:13.620 Yeah.

00:36:14.100 Then witchcraft gives me a way to kind of physically do the mental, yeah, the mental work that I know I'm actually aiming at.

00:36:23.800 No, exactly.

00:36:24.540 I feel the same way because I think to myself, too, I'm like, even if this isn't actually doing anything, let's just say, it makes me feel better to do it this way.

00:36:33.520 And like you said, let it go.

00:36:34.640 And then the more you practice it, the less you question it, the more you just kind of, you don't have that conversation with yourself of, like, worrying if it's logical or practical.

00:36:45.820 Right.

00:36:46.280 Because soon you just go, well, every spell has helped for one reason or another, whether it be psychosomatic or spiritual.

00:36:56.760 Right.

00:36:57.120 So now I don't have to question it anymore.

00:37:00.500 Yes, exactly.

00:37:00.880 I'm just going to keep doing it because it works.

00:37:03.300 Exactly.

00:37:03.680 And it's not harming me or anyone around me.

00:37:07.260 And in fact, like, ever since I've started practicing witchcraft, it's made me so much more conscious of my impact on my environment, my impact on other people.

00:37:18.000 Yeah, totally.

00:37:18.400 It makes me think about, like, really being the person I want the world to see me as so that they treat me the way I want to be treated.

00:37:28.840 Yes, exactly.

00:37:30.840 Oh, my God, that's so true.

00:37:32.080 And I say, like, I say my prayers a lot, too.

00:37:35.060 But when I do, I pray.

00:37:36.340 I don't pray to God, necessarily.

00:37:38.160 I pray to, like, my ancestors, the universe, right, the spirit, right?

00:37:42.500 And I always ask for guidance, especially in my career, like, ever since I started doing this.

00:37:46.500 I've done that forever, like, as long as I can remember.

00:37:48.480 But ever since I started doing this, especially, I've been very intentional in my prayers and how I how and when I say them, like, and what I'm asking for.

00:37:56.260 I just want to be very clear about, like, direction.

00:37:58.960 And every single time I've asked for guidance on on a very specific, like, business decision or, like, deal I want to do or maybe I'm on the fence about, I always get an answer and a very clear, stark answer.

00:38:10.940 And then that always ends up being the right answer, which is, like you said, just in practice and doing it.

00:38:16.760 It's like, well, now I don't need to question it.

00:38:18.360 Now I know.

00:38:19.100 Yeah.

00:38:19.480 And I trust.

00:38:20.040 And even if it's just me trusting my own instinct still works.

00:38:24.360 Double whammy.

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00:39:07.520 I have had multiple times where a really cool offer has come my way, but it meant it meant pulling out of other projects that I had already committed myself to.

00:39:19.840 And I've just never operated that way.

00:39:22.840 And I was like, I can't just because the opportunities are bigger now, I can't change my ethics.

00:39:30.800 Yeah.

00:39:30.820 And how you move in the business.

00:39:32.400 And then both times I made the difficult choice that I knew was right for me.

00:39:38.900 And then just like shortly after, a different offer came that didn't require me to give up those other things.

00:39:48.360 And it ended up being a lovely offer, you know?

00:39:51.780 And it's like you just have to sometimes trust that you know what you're doing.

00:39:57.180 Yes, I trust.

00:39:57.700 I always say like it's my third eye.

00:39:59.580 Yeah.

00:39:59.820 And I'm always like saying too, it's like the spirit.

00:40:02.880 The spirit itself is speaking to me.

00:40:05.140 Well, we are only conduits for energies that exist with or without us.

00:40:10.020 Exactly.

00:40:10.780 Those divine genders I was talking about.

00:40:14.080 I mean, we can manipulate our perception.

00:40:17.500 We can manipulate our relationship to them or how we worship them.

00:40:21.820 But they exist with or without us.

00:40:25.660 Yes.

00:40:25.860 And they ultimately don't care about us.

00:40:29.000 Yes.

00:40:29.400 We've got to get to a place where we're not using these forces against each other.

00:40:34.880 Yeah.

00:40:35.160 Because it's just slowing down where we could get to.

00:40:38.980 Totally.

00:40:39.300 You know?

00:40:40.180 Yeah.

00:40:40.580 And this is like, it's similar but not.

00:40:42.660 But like in Hawaii, like when me and my family go back to Hawaii, like we go every year to visit family, live there, whatever.

00:40:49.220 I feel like my most self there.

00:40:51.860 And I feel like when we're there, there's like malama da aina, which is like to love the island, which is also it's kapu, which is tabu, to take things from the island, specifically nature, right?

00:41:02.480 Especially nature.

00:41:03.460 So you should never take anything from a beach, like shells, flowers, whatever it is.

00:41:08.460 Like you should never take from it because it will come and take something from you.

00:41:11.840 Like you'll be basically punished or cursed.

00:41:13.820 And so I remember one time we were in Hawaii and my brother, my little brother, he was young at the time, but we were there.

00:41:19.900 And he was taking rocks out of the ocean to like go stack on the beach, which like that's not taking it from Hawaii, but still you're removing it from where it was.

00:41:27.540 And I kept telling him, stop doing that.

00:41:29.460 It's kapu to do that. 0.95

00:41:30.560 Like it's something bad might happen.

00:41:32.260 So stop doing that.

00:41:33.260 And he was like, I think it's fine.

00:41:35.320 And literally like in maybe 10 or 15 minutes later, no waves, we're in the beach, no waves the whole time we're there.

00:41:43.040 One giant wave came and literally crashed into my brother as he was walking out with another rock.

00:41:48.840 As he was walking out, crashed into him, like tumbled him on the beach.

00:41:52.480 And he like sat up, his board shorts fell down a little bit.

00:41:55.060 He was like, and he sat up like all eyes all red.

00:41:57.840 Like he just got, I was like, I told you.

00:41:59.980 Happened like right after I said it.

00:42:01.660 And then he went and put all the rocks back in the ocean.

00:42:03.680 Well, I like to say, and I think hearing you talk about all of this, it feels very much like, of course, this is how a Virgo would relate to magic.

00:42:18.360 It's like, it just makes logical sense, you know.

00:42:22.480 Adding logic.

00:42:23.980 Exactly.

00:42:24.680 Like if we look at Pythagorean theorem, I just feel like you can look at the logical choice.

00:42:32.900 You can look at everything and you can also look at the fun choice.

00:42:37.340 Right.

00:42:37.740 And then just choose the fun choice.

00:42:40.060 You know, life is difficult these days and sometimes we have to choose silliness and whimsy.

00:42:47.920 I agree.

00:42:48.560 And my favorite witches don't take themselves too seriously.

00:42:53.120 They have great senses of humor.

00:42:55.640 Yeah.

00:42:55.840 They're like, I know how nerdy I am and it makes me very happy.

00:42:59.720 Exactly.

00:43:00.680 And more people should try it, honestly.

00:43:03.160 I think more people should dabble.

00:43:04.700 I think the world would be better off for it.

00:43:06.680 Plus, witchcraft is almost primarily dominated by women. 0.99

00:43:09.660 And we already practice so many forms of it.

00:43:13.160 Right.

00:43:13.300 We just don't talk about it because of, you know, generational efforts to call it something else.

00:43:20.340 Right.

00:43:20.840 I agree.

00:43:21.660 Trying to stomp us out like that.

00:43:23.500 But I do, I mean, I want to ask you a couple more questions first about like Broadway, like

00:43:28.500 how it's been, like how has like the journey been.

00:43:31.140 And like, I know it's probably, oh my God, so much work, crazy eight shows a week.

00:43:35.220 I always say when your dreams come true, that's when the real work begins, you know, because

00:43:40.140 yeah, like getting to a level in a very competitive, sorry, we hit our vape pens before our weed pens before this.

00:43:54.020 And I have some resin in my drawer.

00:43:57.180 And she's not kidding.

00:43:58.300 We did do that.

00:43:59.240 I've been trying so hard to play it.

00:44:00.620 No, it's like, it is a lot of hard work to maintain a career in this industry.

00:44:09.500 Totally.

00:44:10.180 You know, and with success comes more like expectation.

00:44:17.480 Yeah, totally.

00:44:18.120 And, and, and bigger commitments to bigger projects.

00:44:22.100 And I got to say, I'm so, I, I felt ready for it my whole life, but I'm so glad it didn't happen until it did.

00:44:31.500 Yeah.

00:44:31.800 Because if I still drank, none of this would be going on.

00:44:36.360 Like I could not do.

00:44:38.460 Yeah.

00:44:38.740 I'm so glad that I worked on myself first because I chose to.

00:44:44.720 Yeah, totally.

00:44:45.280 And then certain things in my career started.

00:44:48.800 Falling into place.

00:44:49.760 Yeah.

00:44:50.180 And it's like, again, like I don't look the gift horse in the mouth.

00:44:56.040 I just know what's been working.

00:44:58.240 Yeah.

00:44:58.400 And I keep going in that way.

00:44:59.740 And I think a big part of what works is just loving what I do, you know?

00:45:04.700 Yeah, absolutely.

00:45:06.040 And, and you've been working your ass off. 0.87

00:45:08.260 So, yeah.

00:45:08.720 I like it though.

00:45:09.780 Yeah.

00:45:10.060 Me too.

00:45:10.420 I also love to work.

00:45:11.540 It is the happiest I've ever been.

00:45:13.740 And of course I could always take more downtime.

00:45:15.900 But at about 10 days I start getting like, okay, okay, okay.

00:45:21.640 That same birthday is really shining through.

00:45:24.020 I have to have productive vacations.

00:45:26.200 Me too.

00:45:28.180 Me too.

00:45:28.820 Like after a certain time I'm like, okay, I'm ready to go back.

00:45:31.380 Yeah.

00:45:31.580 And my type of vacation, I really don't like going and doing a bunch of stuff.

00:45:35.860 I like to like lay completely still.

00:45:38.140 And then after a certain time I'm like, okay, I'm ready.

00:45:40.820 I need like a solid week of just absolute nothing.

00:45:44.280 Me too.

00:45:44.980 Like I can't, I can't even begin to enjoy myself until I've had a week of no responsibility.

00:45:51.380 Me too.

00:45:51.780 And then I can responsibly have fun.

00:45:54.140 Yeah.

00:45:54.900 Exactly.

00:45:56.120 Me too.

00:45:56.920 I know sometimes when we go on our like vacations, like to Hawaii specifically, when we go back

00:46:01.280 home for a bit, I literally tell everyone, I'm like, you can come, but like, I'll tell

00:46:05.260 you what I'm doing.

00:46:06.260 Nothing.

00:46:06.900 Yeah.

00:46:07.220 If you want to traipse around the island, feel free.

00:46:09.280 I'm doing nothing.

00:46:10.320 I have to know ahead of time what vacate, like, yeah, I went to Mexico City for 11 days

00:46:17.520 three years ago, had the time of my life.

00:46:19.480 We did everything.

00:46:21.460 And then for this most recent vacation, I said the last vacation we did, we went everywhere.

00:46:26.600 We saw everything.

00:46:27.580 We did everything.

00:46:28.500 I didn't complain once.

00:46:30.560 I think maybe, maybe once.

00:46:33.100 But the point is, I had a say yes attitude.

00:46:36.880 This vacation needs to be zero.

00:46:41.080 So we rented a McMansion in Palm Springs and laid around for a week catching me up on Drag 1.00

00:46:50.140 Race.

00:46:50.480 Oh my God.

00:46:50.980 And it's the best.

00:46:52.360 Is it not the best?

00:46:53.580 You just go and if you swim.

00:46:54.560 I don't even like the sun.

00:46:56.260 No.

00:46:56.440 I like, I like a beach town laissez-faire attitude though.

00:47:02.280 Tea.

00:47:03.020 People were almost mad to like serve you coffee because they're like, why would you ask me

00:47:08.240 to do something?

00:47:09.220 It's Palm Springs.

00:47:11.500 They're like, that's not what we do here.

00:47:13.540 I don't drink coffee, but all the coffee drinkers in the group were like, yeah, they did not want

00:47:17.860 us there.

00:47:19.120 They were like, go home.

00:47:21.020 Everybody needs to go home.

00:47:23.200 That's so funny.

00:47:24.040 I feel the same way about they could even like I, I turned 30 last year and like.

00:47:29.440 Thank you.

00:47:30.540 Oh my God.

00:47:30.980 I was so, I hated 29 solely because I wished I could have skipped 28 and gone straight

00:47:35.940 to 30.

00:47:36.640 Just because 29 felt like holding on to my 20s.

00:47:39.460 Felt like I was like, I'm still 29.

00:47:40.900 There's so much pressure on your 20s.

00:47:43.340 And once they're gone, you're like, good riddance.

00:47:46.840 No, I'm just glad I survived.

00:47:49.480 I know.

00:47:49.900 I never forgot.

00:47:51.260 For real.

00:47:52.360 Like your 20s are for when you're like, you're most chopped, you're most unsuccessful, you're

00:47:56.580 most volatile, most erratic, most like, especially.

00:48:02.280 Okay.

00:48:02.480 So I like was very, very goal oriented my whole life.

00:48:06.840 You and me both.

00:48:07.460 And then I graduated college and I was like, okay, well, I did it and here I am and it's 0.96

00:48:14.860 kind of starting, but I feel like I missed a lot of shit that other people were doing. 0.95

00:48:20.140 And it was like, as soon as I popped the cork, I was like, oh, this is why people party. 0.85

00:48:25.800 And so I had to go through my phase of like figuring out what everyone else figured out

00:48:30.460 in high school and college, you know, like essentially my limits.

00:48:35.180 And I told you I'm an all or nothing person.

00:48:37.940 Turns out I'm an, when it comes to alcohol, I'm a nothing.

00:48:44.820 You found that out.

00:48:45.720 But weed, I'm an all.

00:48:47.540 Me too.

00:48:48.060 You and me both, Quinn.

00:48:49.380 You and me both.

00:48:50.060 But again, I don't know why it works.

00:48:52.640 It just works.

00:48:54.580 I really think it's because it allows me to like relax for a second.

00:48:58.600 Like the way my brain functions and works.

00:49:00.800 Like weed just gives me, it gives me what I think I see other people experience, which

00:49:06.340 is just like nothing.

00:49:07.580 I never don't experience nothing in my brain.

00:49:10.300 Like there is something always cooking up here.

00:49:12.860 And then sometimes when people are just staring off into space, I don't have that.

00:49:16.380 Like I'm just constantly thinking and planning.

00:49:18.280 Yeah, when I look like I'm staring off into space, there's normally three conversations.

00:49:22.640 Exactly.

00:49:23.560 But weed does like, maybe it's the ritual I have around it.

00:49:28.140 We're like, I'm going to hit my pen.

00:49:30.380 So everyone let me be alone for a second.

00:49:33.460 You know, it's kind of like, don't talk to her.

00:49:35.560 She's occupied.

00:49:37.920 Dave's not here, man.

00:49:40.760 But it does kind of take the, even if it doesn't calm all the conversations, it takes

00:49:46.940 them down from like six to two conversations.

00:49:50.160 Oh my God, that's how I feel too.

00:49:52.300 And I like to say, I'm 10, I got this from my friend, Alexandra, Alex at Twin Temple, one

00:50:00.600 of my favorite bands, Satanic Doo-Wop.

00:50:03.460 Okay.

00:50:05.940 She is of the same persuasion. 1.00

00:50:09.140 She says, 10% stupider, 100% happier. 1.00

00:50:13.120 That's so true. 0.99

00:50:16.460 When I was in college, and I hadn't smoked weed yet, one time I asked one of my girlfriends,

00:50:21.940 like we were drinking, and I was like, how does it feel?

00:50:24.160 Like, how do you feel when you're high?

00:50:25.620 And then she said to me, it feels like, when I'm really high, it feels like the worst thing

00:50:31.920 in the world could happen in front of me.

00:50:34.460 And I would be like, oh my God.

00:50:36.660 But at the same time, I would be like, it's all right.

00:50:40.080 This is sad.

00:50:40.660 And it's all right.

00:50:42.120 And that's really how I feel about weed.

00:50:44.200 I'm like, that's so true.

00:50:45.400 And I know that it makes some people extra anxious.

00:50:48.900 Yes.

00:50:49.320 So it's like, so much of life is a choose your own adventure.

00:50:53.900 And that's the hardest part, is that like, we are raised in our country, but in most countries,

00:51:01.860 you know, we all have our societal, cultural norms.

00:51:05.220 So you're raised believing this is the way to be, and any deviation from that means you're

00:51:13.520 either broken, sick, disturbed, you know?

00:51:18.440 And it's just like, we all got to fight.

00:51:21.520 Like, why would you want to spend any amount of your short life living it unhappy because

00:51:27.500 someone else that you don't even know told you so?

00:51:30.560 You know?

00:51:31.020 Like...

00:51:31.760 Right, yeah.

00:51:33.000 I'm not down with that, personally.

00:51:34.920 Me neither.

00:51:37.160 Like, what's your favorite strain of weed?

00:51:39.640 Do you like a sativa or endocrine?

00:51:40.840 It's situational.

00:51:41.980 Is it?

00:51:42.340 I like to vape my sativas because, you know...

00:51:45.180 Interesting.

00:51:45.520 I vape regularly throughout the day, so I've got a sativa that I like to say pairs well

00:51:52.560 with my fistful of mood stabilizers and hormones.

00:51:56.400 It keeps me peppy through the day.

00:51:59.380 And then at the end of the day, it's all indica.

00:52:02.600 Oh, yeah.

00:52:03.600 Hybrid if I'm out with friends. 0.94

00:52:05.560 I know.

00:52:05.920 I do love hybrid.

00:52:06.420 If they're drinking, then I'm like, you know...

00:52:08.820 And only, you know, I'm almost seven years of no alcohol, and recently I've started microdosing

00:52:17.660 mushrooms.

00:52:18.540 I, again, I thought that mushrooms were an all-or-nothing thing.

00:52:22.000 I didn't know you could just have a little and feel like just a little, like...

00:52:24.560 I know.

00:52:24.700 I thought that, too.

00:52:26.280 Tell me something.

00:52:27.100 So, I do find, as a California sober person, if I have to be around drunk people, I can

00:52:35.040 stand it better if I'm...

00:52:37.200 The mushrooms?

00:52:37.780 Just a little mushrooms there.

00:52:39.760 Ooh, interesting.

00:52:40.520 Good to know.

00:52:41.060 I haven't tried shrooms yet.

00:52:42.360 I'm a little nervous.

00:52:43.820 Again, you've got to find your balance because you can tip the scale real quickly.

00:52:48.320 Yeah, you can always add but never subtract.

00:52:50.820 That's how it was about edibles.

00:52:52.480 I saw a video once where this guy was like, the thing about edibles is, like, once you

00:52:56.640 find your number, it's the best thing in the world.

00:53:00.620 You can do your whole day with a smile on your face.

00:53:04.160 I always say it's like, I don't need weed to get through my day, but you're all going

00:53:09.420 to enjoy me a lot more.

00:53:11.180 You're so mean.

00:53:11.500 If I have it, we're all going to get along better.

00:53:14.960 It's in everyone's best interest that I...

00:53:17.500 Just a little.

00:53:18.940 It's true.

00:53:19.540 My sister and I literally...

00:53:20.800 Know thyself.

00:53:21.860 Yes, we have to.

00:53:23.020 I told my sister and I joke, we call it purse pen because we have, like, I have a pen

00:53:26.540 at home.

00:53:27.000 I have a pen in my purse.

00:53:28.200 And then I forgot my purse pen last week when I was traveling for work and I was filming,

00:53:31.940 like, a commercial on the beach for, like, 12 hours.

00:53:34.800 So I told her, I was like, can I please borrow your purse pen, dude?

00:53:37.680 I need it.

00:53:38.880 And then I'm hitting it a couple times.

00:53:39.980 I'm like, all right, let's go run on the beach.

00:53:42.100 When you have to ration it, when you find yourself somewhere where you suddenly don't have

00:53:46.460 it.

00:53:46.860 Yeah, like internationally.

00:53:48.220 Yeah.

00:53:48.460 And then you're suddenly rationing it.

00:53:50.960 Isn't that the...

00:53:52.280 You suddenly feel like, is this what feeling high is like?

00:53:55.920 Again, when you're not consistently just a little stoned, you're like, right, this is

00:54:01.160 what it feels like to get high.

00:54:02.640 Yeah.

00:54:02.880 I never have that feeling anymore.

00:54:12.580 I miss it, though.

00:54:13.580 Oh, my God.

00:54:14.280 I feel so, like...

00:54:16.200 Yeah.

00:54:16.940 I know.

00:54:17.480 We're, like, parallel universes.

00:54:20.380 No, it's true.

00:54:21.880 And then sometimes because I partake so often now, like, have you had a bad, like, trip recently

00:54:27.800 on it or, like, greened out or anything recently?

00:54:30.380 Have you done that in a while?

00:54:31.320 It's usually, at the end of the day, it's a cumulative.

00:54:34.680 Yeah.

00:54:34.820 It's like, oh, she's gone.

00:54:36.620 We've lost her.

00:54:37.960 All production.

00:54:39.100 Yeah.

00:54:39.600 Like, we're not going to get anything usable at this point.

00:54:43.120 A couple years ago, I took edibles in New York that truly sent me into a K-hole. 0.99

00:54:49.040 I, for real, was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:54:50.780 Like, I woke up and I literally felt like I was looking through a pinhole. 0.99

00:54:54.320 You were in the sunken place.

00:54:55.460 Yeah, I, for real, was.

00:54:56.820 And I remember I turned to my man because, like, I had to get on a flight in, like, two

00:55:00.560 hours.

00:55:01.060 And I was like, if I go to the airport like this, I'm going to get arrested because I'm

00:55:04.240 moving and acting strange.

00:55:05.940 And then I turned to my fiancé and I was like, I was like, babe, babe, babe, wake up.

00:55:09.760 I think something's wrong with me. 0.99

00:55:10.600 I think I'm, like, fucked up, like, bad. 0.99

00:55:12.380 And he turned around. 0.99

00:55:13.260 My fiancé, for reference, has hooded eyes.

00:55:16.240 So he has a very, like, strong forehead and very hooded eyes.

00:55:19.960 And I can never really fully see his eyes because they're almond and hooded.

00:55:24.380 He turned around, eyes like this. 0.99

00:55:26.320 He goes, yeah, I'm fucked up. 0.99

00:55:28.360 And then I got scared and I felt like my trip got worse because I was like, oh, my God, 0.99

00:55:32.700 oh, my God, you look scary.

00:55:33.540 You're my rock. 1.00

00:55:35.640 I was like, if you're fucked up, then I'm fucked up. 1.00

00:55:38.720 I have never been too stoned for the airport, but I have been that kind of stoned where I'm 1.00

00:55:45.600 like, everyone knows.

00:55:47.520 Yeah.

00:55:47.840 I have to act extra normal.

00:55:50.440 So then I'm, like, picking up cookies, like, hmm.

00:55:54.100 You're like, this is what humans do.

00:55:56.120 One, two, three, one, you're 12 chocolate chips.

00:56:01.840 You're counting tiles.

00:56:02.880 Oh, to meal, you say.

00:56:04.560 I'll try a scoop of barkeep.

00:56:06.820 You have a transatlantic accent.

00:56:11.040 Yeah, you're Katherine Hepburn.

00:56:13.360 Because you're traveling, darling.

00:56:16.920 I'm like, ah, see?

00:56:20.220 That's so funny.

00:56:21.220 I did that once when I was hosting something for Moana 2.

00:56:26.760 Sorry about that.

00:56:28.080 I was like, and I was, I'd been working all day.

00:56:29.960 That was my last thing of the night. 0.99

00:56:30.980 And I was in the green room, and I found my pen, and I was hitting that bitch. 1.00

00:56:34.840 I was, like, going crazy. 0.99

00:56:36.880 And then, like, I hit it one more time, and I was going to go to the restroom really quick

00:56:40.100 down before I had to go upstairs to, like, host something for an hour straight.

00:56:44.220 So I'm hitting my pen like crazy.

00:56:45.620 I walk outside.

00:56:46.380 But then I remember there's other people down there, so I didn't want to blow smoke.

00:56:50.040 So I just kept it in.

00:56:51.320 And then I was like, you know what I mean?

00:56:53.220 Like, you're going to start choking.

00:56:54.720 And then I went.

00:56:55.480 I was like, I'll just go in the bathroom.

00:56:56.680 There was, like, two separate stalls down there.

00:56:58.400 And so I was like, my mom went in one, I went in the other.

00:57:01.000 I'm in there.

00:57:01.540 As soon as I close the door, I start hacking.

00:57:03.760 I'm like, like, just trying to get it all out.

00:57:07.840 Eyes, bloodshot red.

00:57:09.620 I come out of the door.

00:57:10.540 My mom goes, are you okay?

00:57:12.580 And then I go, yeah, why?

00:57:14.620 Me getting scared.

00:57:15.460 Like, I'm like, yes.

00:57:17.120 And then she was like.

00:57:18.200 Why would you ask me?

00:57:19.000 Yeah, she was like, why are you coughing like that?

00:57:21.140 And I go, you can hear me in there?

00:57:23.340 She's like, yeah, it's not stone.

00:57:26.260 She's like, it's not stone. 1.00

00:57:27.760 What the fuck? 0.99

00:57:28.700 I was like, because I'm high, I'm, like, thinking, oh, no one can hear me in here. 1.00

00:57:32.360 And then I go upstairs, and then I had about 30 minutes before I had to host for an hour.

00:57:37.660 I'm like, Chrissy Teigen and John Legend are here with their kids.

00:57:40.200 I need to lock it up. 0.99

00:57:41.960 So I was like, shit, what am I going to do? 0.99

00:57:44.160 Because, like, my thing is I don't get the scaries. 0.99

00:57:46.460 I just get too silly. 0.70

00:57:48.080 That's what I like to call it. 0.86

00:57:49.320 So I'm like, I'm going to go up there and make a boob joke, and I need to keep it right. 0.99

00:57:53.120 I need to get right with God right now.

00:57:55.260 That's what I need to do.

00:57:56.220 So then I was like, I feel like I have to go outside and have the zoomies, like a dog.

00:57:59.520 I just got to run around in a circle for a couple times.

00:58:01.640 So what I did instead was, like, my cousin, who's my hair and makeup artist, was there.

00:58:05.940 And I just started telling a million jokes.

00:58:08.880 Like, I was just, like, firing off jokes about anything I saw, anything I thought about. 0.98

00:58:13.740 And then I felt like I got it all out of my system because I was just being inappropriate with him, like, making all these dumbass jokes. 0.96

00:58:19.720 And I was like, all right, I'm ready to go. 0.85

00:58:21.580 That's, again, why you got to have the right people around you.

00:58:25.500 Like, Skye knows exactly when I'm like, oh, we have a, if I start getting to, he makes a deep cut reference to The Simpsons.

00:58:38.760 The episode where Ned Flanders loses his cool and freaks out on everyone.

00:58:46.060 Skye will start going, calm down there, diddly, diddly, diddly, diddly. 0.76

00:58:50.160 Because I'm sitting there going, like, they can't just, no, I'm going to, oh, oh, diddly, diddly, diddly.

00:59:00.720 And usually that'll make me laugh, and then the rage will subside.

00:59:05.200 Like, if you can genuinely make me laugh, I can't stay angry.

00:59:09.200 No, me too.

00:59:10.020 Likewise.

00:59:10.960 So that usually just reminds me, we're just telling jokes here.

00:59:16.860 We're just having silly fun.

00:59:18.840 That's when I remember, I'm like, this is a made-up job, it's okay.

00:59:22.000 This is a made-up job, and everything's going to be okay.

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01:00:18.840 Okay, my favorite online trend right now is this trend where it's like friends, couples, whatever, but mostly friends.

01:00:26.060 I've been seeing lots of girls do it with their girlfriends. 1.00

01:00:29.080 They set up the camera, and then they pretend they're on live, and they're reading comments, but they're just throwing shade at each other.

01:00:36.080 So they're like, it said, why did you date a homeless person for a year?

01:00:39.080 That's crazy.

01:00:39.720 How did they know that?

01:00:40.820 That's my new favorite trend right now.

01:00:42.820 I love to make fun of my friends.

01:00:45.740 I haven't seen this.

01:00:46.720 You've got to try it.

01:00:50.820 Anything small that brought you joy lately?

01:00:52.760 I love watching people play.

01:00:56.140 There's lots of videos online of people playing, is it a twink or a lesbian? 0.98

01:01:02.060 And so you can play based off of haircuts or fashion or piercings.

01:01:11.200 That's probably a hard game to play.

01:01:13.620 It's funny.

01:01:14.380 I was watching a British person do it, and it was like UK edition, and it was mostly

01:01:20.920 mullets, and it was an even mix.

01:01:23.800 Not even a wolf cut?

01:01:24.920 It's just mullet?

01:01:25.660 Mullets and fades.

01:01:27.060 Oh, okay.

01:01:27.680 And fades are still very big in the queer community, but especially in the UK.

01:01:33.080 Oh.

01:01:33.280 I've got to keep hip with this stuff because I'm going back there.

01:01:36.660 Yeah, you're the president of the queer community.

01:01:39.440 Yeah, you're the first lady. 1.00

01:01:41.380 No, just the high priestess or something. 0.99

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01:01:58.840 Oh, yeah.

01:01:59.380 I was just talking to Jinx about how you know a lot of things about things you care about.

01:02:05.200 And random things.

01:02:06.420 Yeah, I know a lot of things about the things I care about.

01:02:11.340 Like, especially when I get obsessed with something, I learn it inside out.

01:02:15.900 And then, yeah, there's the things that, like, for one reason or another, I know way too much about.

01:02:21.300 Oh, my God, me too.

01:02:23.220 And sometimes, like, it'll, like, someone will just say the right sentence and then I start, like, did you know blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?

01:02:31.900 And everyone looks at me, like, why the hell do you know that?

01:02:36.560 My sister once told me, she goes, I don't know how you know so many things because I know you don't read.

01:02:42.760 I was like, that's not true.

01:02:44.480 But I don't read, like, factual things.

01:02:45.280 But when I do, I really absorb it.

01:02:47.800 I'm the same way because, and I've said on the show many times, like, when I was a kid, I would, like, learn about something.

01:02:54.280 And then for some reason, I'd be like, I need to learn everything there is to know about this.

01:02:58.620 So, like, I did, like, a perfect example I always bring up is the Titanic.

01:03:01.620 And I don't mean the movie.

01:03:02.820 I mean the ship itself and just the history of the Titanic and, like, the logistics of the Titanic itself.

01:03:09.200 And so much so, I learned so much about it.

01:03:11.300 I was, like, so obsessed with it.

01:03:12.360 I was like, this is crazy.

01:03:13.720 This is such an example of hubris.

01:03:15.180 Like, that's what I was thinking as a child.

01:03:16.380 I asked my mom to buy me books, like, as a kid about the Titanic.

01:03:20.520 But all the kid ones are, like, don't have the details.

01:03:23.620 So, like, my mom had to start buying me adult books about the Titanic, the history of it.

01:03:27.940 Then when I watched the movie, I, like, after the movie, I told my mom, is that a real story?

01:03:33.960 And she was like, like, of Jack and Rose?

01:03:35.720 I go, yeah.

01:03:36.000 She goes, no.

01:03:36.880 And I go, pointless.

01:03:39.020 Like, I was like, they didn't talk about the crew.

01:03:40.960 They didn't have it.

01:03:42.120 They didn't talk about the history of the Titanic. 0.98

01:03:44.280 Useless movie.

01:03:44.960 The boats leading up to the Titanic. 0.85

01:03:47.180 Yeah, I was, like, literally, like, yeah, the trial and error phase leading to the Titanic.

01:03:51.340 The lack of lifeboats on board.

01:03:52.840 Why? 0.99

01:03:53.780 I was like, they did all the important shit. 0.99

01:03:55.580 They left it out. 0.99

01:03:56.460 What's the point?

01:03:57.340 I feel that way.

01:03:58.980 Okay, so I am that way about video games.

01:04:02.780 And I really, really love video games.

01:04:04.980 Oh, yes, that's right.

01:04:05.660 But I've been playing video games my whole life.

01:04:08.320 So this is something that usually, like, when I am talking to straight guys, they are surprised.

01:04:17.800 That you know so much.

01:04:18.360 By how much I know.

01:04:19.920 And, like, deep cut information, too.

01:04:22.660 Yeah.

01:04:22.820 Yeah.

01:04:22.900 And recently I got to go to the Blizzard Studios.

01:04:26.140 Ooh.

01:04:26.460 They are a big video game designer that I've been playing their games practically my whole life.

01:04:32.820 And I have never felt, only since Broadway have I felt so at home with people where we're sitting there talking about video games.

01:04:41.180 It's like the minutiae.

01:04:44.100 And they want to talk about it, too.

01:04:47.300 Yeah.

01:04:47.820 I'm that way with Greek mythology.

01:04:49.940 I love Greek mythology.

01:04:51.860 Oh, my God.

01:04:52.360 You're scaring me.

01:04:53.540 I'm getting scared.

01:04:55.760 I'm feeling fear.

01:04:57.660 And I'm getting that way with witchcraft.

01:05:00.660 But, like, the history of witchcraft and the perception of witchcraft.

01:05:05.300 Like, so much, witchcraft is, like, witches are just a big part of human culture.

01:05:15.060 Yeah.

01:05:15.500 Because they're powerful.

01:05:18.360 And women are powerful. 1.00

01:05:19.840 And the effort to suppress our knowledge of witches is hand in hand with the efforts to suppress the power of women. 1.00

01:05:29.260 Yes.

01:05:29.800 Like, it is all, like, just witchcraft is feminism. 1.00

01:05:36.960 Yes, it is.

01:05:37.620 You know?

01:05:38.340 It's a huge part of it.

01:05:39.280 It's a big part of it.

01:05:39.760 It's also tied to, like, doulas and midwives and everything, witchcraft.

01:05:43.500 I mean, like, when you start pulling that thread, you don't have to worry about the magic.

01:05:48.740 You should just care about the history of propaganda.

01:05:52.060 Yes.

01:05:52.500 That has been done against the entirety of women. 1.00

01:05:56.240 Yeah.

01:05:56.920 Absolutely.

01:05:57.820 Of womanhood.

01:05:58.460 Yeah, especially the power of women, like you said. 1.00

01:06:00.520 Like, it was, like, really a tactic trying to stomp out, like, women understanding how powerful they are spiritually, too. 1.00

01:06:06.260 And lots of intersex and trans people in different cultures and communities have been spiritual leaders.

01:06:13.900 And that was also something that got stamped out.

01:06:16.560 So, yeah, this is all part of, and, you know, we have big conversations about intersectionality and gender is, like, it really does, it affects the people who seem to be benefiting from it, too.

01:06:32.580 Like, I mean, when you look at the men in charge, they're the worst examples of men.

01:06:39.620 And then when you look at the men just following the rules, they are living this much of an existence because they're in the confines of what's acceptable for them, you know?

01:06:49.500 Yeah, absolutely.

01:06:50.100 No one gets to really start living their life until they break free from the gender roles that were pushed on them. 1.00

01:06:57.760 Absolutely.

01:06:58.340 Gender binary as a whole.

01:06:59.680 Absolutely.

01:07:00.460 I talk about that a lot, too, on here because I'm Samoan and there's a fa-fa-finis are a third gender that existed prior to being colonized.

01:07:07.560 So, like, we've been very aware of the relationship between gender, spirituality, all of that, especially in a lot of indigenous communities, intersex people, third gender people were, like, deities in a lot of indigenous communities.

01:07:20.140 They were worshipped and sought to be, like, all-knowing, especially because they had the power of both, essentially, but they didn't adhere to gender binary whatsoever.

01:07:28.020 The idea of the two-sex gender construct, the binary, the idea of the gender binary is specifically a colonial white idea.

01:07:40.780 Yes, it's a huge part of imperialism.

01:07:42.440 And it is not based in biology or science or fact or reason.

01:07:47.520 It is propaganda.

01:07:49.200 It is, and they get really mad when you say that.

01:07:51.100 Oh, yeah, because I like to say, because I know so much about ancient Greece and Greek mythology, it's in marble.

01:07:59.280 We've always existed.

01:08:01.000 We have always had places in society.

01:08:04.260 The only thing that changes over time is the way people treat us.

01:08:08.440 Yes, exactly.

01:08:09.640 It's very true.

01:08:10.520 That's why I think when I talk about colonialism on a larger scale and I talk about, like, just the colonization and almost the attempt to erase, like, historical context from many different cultures, it can really hit a nerve for people, especially cisgendered white people.

01:08:29.340 Because I do stand up for the dolls all the time.

01:08:32.140 I talk about dolls all the time.

01:08:33.060 And I know it's important that cis women especially defend trans women, because, again, especially as a not-white cis woman, like you said, it will affect me.

01:08:42.380 Like, it will affect, like, any sort of attack on transness will affect cis people as well.

01:08:48.620 If we tell anyone that they're allowed dominion over a group of people, that's all it takes to then, and then they'll find a reason for another group of people.

01:09:02.860 You can't give that permission in any form, or it will.

01:09:10.380 I mean, that's why, yes, yes, yes.

01:09:14.360 No one's free until we're all free.

01:09:15.820 And I get frustrated because, not to say that I'm, like, a perfect feminist or anything, but, like, you know, we've had the bathroom conversation for so long.

01:09:28.720 And, like, what is the ethical thing to do there and how to respect everyone.

01:09:36.140 And I'm, like, I wish that cis women knew how scared I am of making them feel uncomfortable.

01:09:43.360 Right.

01:09:43.420 Like, that is, like, that is my worst fear.

01:09:47.560 I used to choose the men's restroom because if I'm going to make anyone uncomfortable with my presence, I'd rather it be the men. 0.99

01:09:56.180 Right.

01:09:56.320 And I'd rather get into a fight with a man as to why I'm in there.

01:10:00.320 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:00.600 But it became stupid for me to go into the men's restroom. 0.96

01:10:06.120 Right. 0.99

01:10:06.440 It was a problem.

01:10:07.600 Yeah.

01:10:07.900 And if there's not a restroom for, you know, everyone, then I'm having to very quickly go into a women's restroom and hopefully not get seen by the person who's going to have a problem with it. 1.00

01:10:22.760 Right.

01:10:23.020 And also hopefully not make a woman who, for whatever reason, has misinformation and believes that she's not safe because I'm there.

01:10:34.240 Right.

01:10:34.440 It's, like, I know that this is, I'm not a monolith for the trans community, but most of us are more anxious about upsetting everyone else than we are, like, defiantly coming in to piss whether you like it or not, you know?

01:10:52.740 Like, I'm just, like, I just really actually need to pee. 0.99

01:10:56.060 No shit. 0.99

01:10:56.520 And I need to do it like everyone else. 0.99

01:10:58.860 And also are you, are you looking at everyone, are you trying, like, I was a meeting.

01:11:01.540 No, I'm usually trying to take up the least amount of space.

01:11:04.840 I'm never looking at anyone in the bathroom.

01:11:06.080 I mean, think of how you behave in the bathroom.

01:11:08.620 Do you know who's horrible in the bathroom as someone who's been in both?

01:11:12.460 Men's restrooms are just the nexus of hell. 1.00

01:11:16.120 Like, men, oh, the sounds they make and they don't give a shit. 1.00

01:11:20.820 One of the seven circles. 0.99

01:11:21.660 And then they'll talk on the phone while they're, oh, it's just. 1.00

01:11:25.100 They talk on the phone while they're taking a shit. 1.00

01:11:26.500 I mean, I don't know. 1.00

01:11:27.720 I, I, I, oh, like. 0.99

01:11:31.540 Who would want to shit around men, first of all? 0.99

01:11:34.760 Like. 1.00

01:11:35.140 Yeah, whoever wants to be around them.

01:11:36.720 I think, I think men should.

01:11:38.580 You know what?

01:11:41.220 I'm going down a whole thing here.

01:11:43.980 The point is, most of us just need to get in and get out. 0.99

01:11:47.760 No shit. 0.99

01:11:48.840 For real. 1.00

01:11:49.300 And also it's going to mind the business that pays us. 0.99

01:11:51.540 For fuck's sake. 0.99

01:11:52.700 I know. 0.99

01:11:53.000 It's so not an issue.

01:11:54.180 That's why I'm like, we're at war.

01:11:55.280 We have bigger problems.

01:11:56.940 We're at war.

01:11:57.820 I'm like, I was like, it's so not an issue in my, in my head ever.

01:12:02.240 And it's a smoke screen, obviously.

01:12:04.100 Of course.

01:12:04.700 It's a distraction tactic, which is another tool.

01:12:06.760 I mean, and wouldn't we all prefer private restrooms to discreetly vape in anyway? 0.99

01:12:12.200 Yeah, what about.

01:12:14.240 That's not mine.

01:12:15.060 And I saw a comedian say that non, gender, gender neutral restrooms were created for trans people to discreetly vape.

01:12:27.900 I can't remember who said it, but shout out to you.

01:12:30.840 It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

01:12:33.040 Trans people and me.

01:12:35.400 I'm also discreetly vaping in the bathroom.

01:12:37.860 Do you get mad about the people who are like, okay, like in an Airbnb and they're like, no smoking or vaping.

01:12:48.400 Yeah.

01:12:48.660 And it's like, show me the logic behind why no vaping.

01:12:51.620 Right.

01:12:52.320 Other than just.

01:12:53.220 Other than just you. 0.98

01:12:53.860 You're not cool. 0.86

01:12:57.680 Okay. 0.84

01:12:58.560 You're so not cool.

01:13:00.400 So this is not a cool house.

01:13:02.380 Got it.

01:13:02.940 Oh.

01:13:03.700 Yeah.

01:13:04.120 And you know what I'm doing?

01:13:05.900 I'm hitting it and blowing it under the covers and then I'm sandwiching it like a Dutch oven.

01:13:12.700 I'm Dutch ovening myself.

01:13:14.060 Have you ever tried to blow it into your purse?

01:13:16.300 Yes, I have actually.

01:13:18.640 It's funny you say that because yes, I have.

01:13:20.280 I've tried to blow it in my blazer and I blew it down, went out the bottom.

01:13:24.060 I said, well, that didn't work.

01:13:26.900 I'm like, guys, did you guys see that?

01:13:28.180 It got smoky all of a sudden.

01:13:29.400 Oh, you always have to look around like, what the hell is that?

01:13:31.980 Girl, is someone vaping in here? 0.97

01:13:35.900 Oh, I'm curious.

01:13:38.760 Did you, were you able to smoke weed while you were, while you're performing?

01:13:42.640 Does it affect your performance at all?

01:13:44.400 Well, I like to say that I have a lot of tricks for maintaining my weed smoking habit.

01:13:53.180 Period.

01:13:53.360 It's about minimizing other things and yeah, like I have routines that change when I'm doing eight shows a week.

01:14:01.960 For one, believe it or not, I exclusively smoke from a bong because it's keeping the heat as far away from my throat as possible.

01:14:13.600 That's what I was asking.

01:14:14.300 I was asking like logistically if it's affecting the throat at all.

01:14:17.280 It's so funny you say that about the bong. 1.00

01:14:18.680 When I, I started smoking out of a bong again like last year.

01:14:22.020 I got one for Christmas from, from my aunt.

01:14:24.980 But I, I always say when I smoke the bong, I feel like the weed's fighting me back.

01:14:29.920 Like I hit the bong, the bong hits me.

01:14:31.840 Like that's how it feels.

01:14:33.280 You've got to hit the bong from your diaphragm.

01:14:35.960 Right.

01:14:36.460 Yeah, literally.

01:14:37.100 You've got to like make the space.

01:14:39.240 Yeah.

01:14:39.500 Like I remember the first time my friend taught me how to smoke out of a bong in college. 0.94

01:14:42.800 She was like, you can't be afraid of it.

01:14:46.320 Have you done gravity bongs?

01:14:48.460 Oh yes, I have actually.

01:14:49.840 Yes, I have.

01:14:50.300 Those, those are still what can still get me.

01:14:53.720 Yeah.

01:14:54.040 Oh, like that.

01:14:55.120 The first time I did a dab, like with the blowtorch and everything, I got the spin so bad.

01:15:00.320 I had to lay down and go to sleep.

01:15:02.000 I was like crying and I was like, I have to lay down.

01:15:03.760 I have to close my eyes.

01:15:04.520 This day has to be over immediately.

01:15:06.900 Scary.

01:15:07.520 It can still happen folks.

01:15:10.820 I know even the strongest of us can still be brought down.

01:15:14.660 Sometimes when I, I was like talking to my team about like working with this like potential

01:15:19.640 like weed drink thing.

01:15:20.860 It didn't work out, but like they were like, oh, did you get a chance to try them?

01:15:24.020 Like I sent them to you and I was like, yeah, I did.

01:15:26.680 But, but the one whole can is five milligrams.

01:15:30.340 And I was like, see, my thing is like, I need to be darted like an elephant.

01:15:33.900 Like when the gorilla has to go to the dentist, like that's what I need.

01:15:37.140 We're going to need to wait for some laws to pass before we're going to be able to sell

01:15:41.900 what I want to sell.

01:15:44.080 For real, me too.

01:15:45.160 You know, so it's very much like I was telling you, uh, I like to microdose my mushrooms.

01:15:54.260 Yes.

01:15:54.600 When I am in a Broadway show and I'm like looking at five months, eight shows a week, not planning

01:16:03.580 to call out.

01:16:05.140 I live like a nun.

01:16:07.320 I say, but I still have to be a happy person.

01:16:10.820 I always say, but if I'm bitter and resentful, this is all moot because, because you're not

01:16:17.340 going to get the magic me if I'm in a pissed off mood.

01:16:22.200 So I do, you know, make all of the adjustments, but I also am very realistic.

01:16:28.620 I'm like, would I be the world's most perfect singer if I stopped smoking?

01:16:35.400 No, there's, you know, like I'd rather be the world's happiest singer, you know?

01:16:42.300 Um, but I do take care of, it's more, it's like this.

01:16:47.080 I feel responsible to my audience.

01:16:50.220 Yeah, totally.

01:16:50.940 So I will do what I have to do to still be show ready.

01:16:55.560 I get that.

01:16:56.300 And that'll, that'll mean adjusting my life as much as I have to, but I still find the

01:17:01.140 balance.

01:17:01.680 Yeah.

01:17:01.980 Have to.

01:17:02.920 Yeah.

01:17:03.080 You said for the sake of everyone.

01:17:04.620 For the sake of everyone.

01:17:05.600 Yeah.

01:17:05.900 I feel that way too.

01:17:06.760 I'm like, when I don't smoke weed enough, like, I feel like I turn into like venom.

01:17:10.600 You know what I mean?

01:17:11.240 Like, I feel like he starts speaking in my ear and like telling me to bash people's heads 0.96

01:17:14.800 in the walls. 0.62

01:17:15.580 And I'm like, I can't, I can't.

01:17:17.020 And I'm sweating through my t-shirt.

01:17:18.000 I feel like it roughs the smooth, it smooths the rough edges.

01:17:22.020 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:22.820 I'm able to look at the things that annoy me and giggle about it and say, me too, and

01:17:29.840 say, oh, that crazy cat of mine.

01:17:35.100 One time I was like, I was supposed to go on this like brand trip.

01:17:38.280 This is the one and only time I think I went to, I tried to go on a brand trip, missed

01:17:41.640 three planes, random reasons. 0.98

01:17:43.640 Like I didn't get on the plane, went to the airport three fucking times. 0.96

01:17:46.740 After the third time, I was like, I'm taking my sign from the universe. 0.99

01:17:49.460 I'm going home.

01:17:50.240 Something bad is probably going to happen to me if I go on that trip.

01:17:52.080 But the first time I missed the plane, I never missed flights ever.

01:17:55.220 I'm never late.

01:17:56.420 So like I, not my fault.

01:17:58.860 We missed the plane.

01:18:00.180 And like my, my agent calls me and she's like, I'm so sorry.

01:18:02.800 I don't know what happened.

01:18:03.560 Like, cause I'm someone who would freak out over stuff like that.

01:18:06.380 Like missing my planes, missing my, my like times for stuff, whatever.

01:18:09.560 And I was like, yeah, no worries.

01:18:11.380 And she was like, are you okay?

01:18:13.280 Is everything good?

01:18:13.880 Like, and I was like, yeah, no, I'm feeling good.

01:18:16.100 And then the next day she told me, she was like, I was so surprised that you weren't like

01:18:19.900 stressed out.

01:18:20.380 And I was like, oh, cause I was like 30 milligrams deep at the time.

01:18:23.440 It happened.

01:18:23.760 I was like, I can't react even if I wanted to.

01:18:26.340 I can't.

01:18:27.160 Well, um, I mean, and I also, I, uh, work with a psychiatrist who, uh, prescribes medication

01:18:35.340 that helps me with a lot of symptoms that I deal with daily.

01:18:39.600 Um, I, again, you know, I know because of times I've had to do it without the weed.

01:18:49.500 Yeah.

01:18:49.800 But I also say this to myself, weed has existed for so long.

01:18:56.600 And it's of the earth.

01:18:57.740 And people have had a relationship to it for so long.

01:19:02.860 I don't know.

01:19:04.520 Is it colonialist to be anti-weed?

01:19:07.640 Right.

01:19:08.060 I feel like, yeah.

01:19:09.600 That's the kind of questions I'm asking when I'm high too.

01:19:11.940 Yeah.

01:19:12.520 If anything, I'm fighting the power.

01:19:14.740 If anything, I'm fighting the big man.

01:19:18.020 This is just pagan activity.

01:19:19.660 Yeah, this is me living in opposition.

01:19:21.340 I'm being a witch.

01:19:23.560 I know earlier you said you love video games.

01:19:25.920 I also love video games, but I feel like you love video games more than me.

01:19:29.140 I'd love to know what, what are your faves?

01:19:31.420 Um, I play Overwatch daily.

01:19:33.480 Oh, love.

01:19:33.960 Now this is like, um, I call it like, uh, capture the flag with superpowers.

01:19:39.380 All my, um, friends call it my shoot-em-up game.

01:19:43.720 Right.

01:19:44.300 Because it's a lot of bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

01:19:45.620 Are you like PC girl or are you like on the console?

01:19:48.760 PS5.

01:19:49.580 Me too.

01:19:50.200 I love my PS5.

01:19:50.800 I need my, I need the controller.

01:19:53.660 Clicking like this doesn't give me the same nostalgic feeling.

01:19:57.820 Yeah.

01:19:58.340 Um, it, I, I have a digital PS5, which was a hard shift because I was, I've been so old

01:20:05.840 school about so many things.

01:20:07.460 With the CDs.

01:20:07.480 I'm like, no, I miss the smell of you take it out of the, but you know, I'd rather not

01:20:15.100 contribute to the plastic waste.

01:20:18.080 I just wish there was some way like you buy a game and then they send you like a little

01:20:22.880 coin that says like, I have this game.

01:20:26.060 You got that game, baby.

01:20:27.720 I can put it on display, you know?

01:20:29.720 Oh, nice.

01:20:30.580 Are that, is Overwatch first person shooter?

01:20:32.900 Yeah.

01:20:33.380 Okay.

01:20:33.600 Do you like those first person games more?

01:20:35.220 That's like the only one like that I play.

01:20:37.300 Okay.

01:20:37.860 Mostly I play, um, uh, fantasy RPGs.

01:20:43.080 Ooh.

01:20:43.600 And I like to, even when they're like stressful situations, um, it's about like, help us figure

01:20:51.320 out the problem, uh, about, uh, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the magic crisis in

01:20:58.440 the Eastern realm.

01:20:59.460 I was just playing this one that was like so clearly about colonialism.

01:21:04.460 Which one was it?

01:21:05.700 And like, like the ills of, of white colonialism.

01:21:09.620 Right.

01:21:10.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:10.620 Um, and it's called Avowed.

01:21:13.000 And basically the whole way through you can make decisions to either side with the colonialists,

01:21:18.020 side with like, um, not interfering, uh, with the, the land that's being discovered.

01:21:25.920 Yeah.

01:21:26.260 And then trying to strike some kind of balance.

01:21:28.760 And I was just like, this, it's so well done that if you're not paying attention, you can

01:21:36.020 totally miss it, but still learn the lessons, you know?

01:21:39.400 Interesting.

01:21:40.560 Video games have become, I think they, for some people that's like where they put the energy

01:21:47.300 they would have put into a novel.

01:21:49.020 Yeah.

01:21:49.340 Because they found a different way to, um, to learn, to, yeah, that's how they learned.

01:21:55.020 And so that's, that's how, video games made by video game lovers are the best, best video

01:22:00.120 games ever.

01:22:00.420 That's tea.

01:22:01.220 Love that.

01:22:02.160 I love, I also love video games, but I love, I don't like first person ones, but I love

01:22:06.660 story ones.

01:22:07.540 So I've, I love, I've like played all the Assassin's Creed's.

01:22:10.800 I've like, I just played Ghost of Tsushima, Ghost of Yote.

01:22:14.360 Those are like two of my new favorites.

01:22:16.280 I was playing, um, I was playing that one.

01:22:19.720 And sometimes when I'm learning a show, I can't like, I just finished Devowed because

01:22:25.320 I had a week off and I was just like, I'm going to play this game as much as I possibly

01:22:29.140 can.

01:22:29.680 So I get through it.

01:22:30.300 Oh my God, you're scaring me.

01:22:31.500 I do the same thing.

01:22:32.880 Sometimes when I'm like learning a new show, I can't play a heavy story game.

01:22:37.700 Because I start getting the details mixed up.

01:22:41.900 And I also, I also like, I'm like, that's all I'm going to think about.

01:22:44.560 I can't, I can't do it.

01:22:45.460 And I start resenting the work I have to do because I can't play my video game.

01:22:49.800 I'm not even kidding.

01:22:50.820 Yes, me too.

01:22:51.560 Your family's laughing.

01:22:52.580 I'm starting to sweat again because I'm getting nervous.

01:22:54.540 Yeah.

01:22:54.880 Yeah.

01:22:55.060 Oh my God.

01:22:55.420 I'm getting scared.

01:22:56.400 So I was.

01:22:57.280 You're so me.

01:22:58.380 There's like a few games I started and then work got too busy.

01:23:02.540 So I'll have to find another game.

01:23:03.920 Literally, I'm not, I literally, I didn't touch Ghost of Yote.

01:23:06.720 I had it for like eight months.

01:23:07.980 I didn't touch it because I was like, when I start that, I need to not be busy.

01:23:12.320 So Overwatch is good for this because it's just little rounds.

01:23:16.780 There's also Hades is a good game.

01:23:19.840 Okay.

01:23:20.120 I actually just watched a trailer for a new game, a new Hades game, I think.

01:23:24.580 Yeah.

01:23:24.740 There's Hades and Hades 2.

01:23:26.080 Yes.

01:23:26.640 I haven't played it myself, but I love the story that's there.

01:23:30.560 And it's one of those games you can pick up and put down.

01:23:33.200 I don't feel resentful.

01:23:35.440 Cult of the Lamb is kind of like Hades, but just a little lighter and a little more like

01:23:44.120 easy to pick up and put down.

01:23:46.160 Yeah.

01:23:46.500 I know.

01:23:46.940 I, when they're fully immersive like that.

01:23:48.940 Plus when I play Ghost of Tsushima, Ghost of Yote, I put it in Japanese.

01:23:51.960 So I have to like read the subtitles and everything.

01:23:54.480 And I waited till like my break around the holidays.

01:23:57.780 I call it my Christmas break, like school.

01:23:59.820 As soon as I was off, that's all I did.

01:24:02.540 12 hours a day.

01:24:03.220 I was like.

01:24:04.120 I had one week of like, I had like a couple meetings.

01:24:09.600 Yeah.

01:24:10.080 And the rest of the time I was just playing this video game.

01:24:13.820 Over and over again.

01:24:14.900 And kind of just like getting through it because, and like trying to absorb as much of the story

01:24:19.560 as I could, but also like, come on, come on, I only have a week to get there.

01:24:25.380 I felt the same way.

01:24:26.300 And I made it to the end and I feel very accomplished because it's been a while since I've actually

01:24:30.920 made it to the end.

01:24:32.020 So A Vowd.

01:24:32.680 Period.

01:24:33.200 I can recommend A Vowd.

01:24:34.320 Okay.

01:24:34.700 It was a lot of fun.

01:24:35.800 I'm not even kidding.

01:24:36.580 I was like A Vowd, A Vowd, A Vowd, A Vowd in my head because I was like, I don't want

01:24:39.240 to forget.

01:24:39.600 My favorite of all time is Dragon Age Inquisition.

01:24:42.740 Have you ever played that one?

01:24:43.700 No.

01:24:45.300 It's real good.

01:24:46.340 It's like that you'll, you need a month.

01:24:50.720 I do.

01:24:51.380 I need time off.

01:24:52.340 You need time off.

01:24:53.540 I need to submit my PTO for that.

01:24:55.760 To me.

01:24:57.400 Okay.

01:24:57.880 Good to know.

01:24:59.060 What's that one about?

01:25:00.620 It's about the Age of Dragons.

01:25:02.620 No.

01:25:03.920 It's kind of your classic fantasy.

01:25:06.720 There's like warring kingdoms.

01:25:09.920 Love that.

01:25:10.640 Clashes between different colonies of like, you know, mythical beings, mythical races.

01:25:20.400 You're talking dirty to me now.

01:25:21.640 They come from far off lands and they have horns, you know, they're called the Qunari. 0.83

01:25:26.000 We have to try to understand them.

01:25:27.820 I'm so excited.

01:25:29.120 But it's like, it's always an allegory for something.

01:25:32.620 And what I love about the Dragon Age series is the game Dragon Age Inquisition was the

01:25:38.400 first video game I ever played where there was a trans character introduced and all of

01:25:48.020 the rhetoric written around this character is like current day, like the correct rhetoric,

01:25:55.180 not regressive, not like offensive.

01:25:59.620 Yeah.

01:26:00.120 But then your character has the option to say the wrong things.

01:26:06.080 And then the other characters educate your character on why that's why that's the wrong

01:26:11.060 thing to say.

01:26:11.760 And when I saw that, I was like, you know, I, I've always loved video games and I've always

01:26:18.820 felt a special connection to them as a solitary person.

01:26:23.200 It's always been my one way to connect with boys and straight guys, you know, back when

01:26:28.920 that mattered to me.

01:26:30.880 And, but now to see that like the queer video game player is being acknowledged. 0.86

01:26:41.040 Yeah.

01:26:41.760 Um, it's beautiful.

01:26:43.760 I love life.

01:26:45.380 That's why I get so angry at the people trying to fuck it up for us. 0.96

01:26:49.580 Right. 0.98

01:26:49.880 You know?

01:26:50.180 For real.

01:26:50.760 Absolutely.

01:26:51.100 I really like the people who piss me off the most are the ones trying to stop other people

01:26:58.020 from living their best life.

01:26:59.860 For real.

01:27:00.160 It just doesn't make sense to me.

01:27:01.460 Yeah.

01:27:01.660 In a way that doesn't affect them personally at all.

01:27:03.620 It's like life's too short to let someone else tell you how to live it. 0.99

01:27:07.840 And also fucking boring. 1.00

01:27:09.280 Life without, life without gay and trans people is so fucking boring. 1.00

01:27:14.020 Well, it's never existed. 1.00

01:27:15.520 That's my point.

01:27:16.320 I'm saying like, can you imagine?

01:27:17.640 Yeah.

01:27:17.880 Yeah.

01:27:17.920 Yeah.

01:27:18.080 Yeah.

01:27:18.280 And we get to see how boring it is.

01:27:21.320 I like to think that like these MAGA like events they put on as counter events.

01:27:26.320 First of all, they're like the Super Bowl halftime show they did.

01:27:30.780 That's a glimpse into a world without queer people, baby. 1.00

01:27:34.680 And do you want to listen to Kid Rock for the rest of your life?

01:27:38.320 Like, yeah.

01:27:39.300 That's the barrel you're staring down.

01:27:40.800 You know?

01:27:41.320 And then you look at Mar-a-Lago face.

01:27:43.800 That's what it looks like when you exclude the dolls.

01:27:46.520 You know?

01:27:46.980 We don't tell you our surgeons and you've got to find your own.

01:27:50.940 For real, also a cabinet full of people with gender affirming care. 0.99

01:27:53.680 I don't want to fucking hear it. 0.99

01:27:55.420 Hypocrisy is another thing. 1.00

01:27:57.260 All there is is Juvederm in that White House. 1.00

01:27:59.020 I don't want to fucking hear it. 0.99

01:27:59.920 I can't, like, as a Virgo, once I logically figure out someone's being a hypocrite, I just like, you'll never win me over. 0.99

01:28:09.420 No, literally ever. 0.98

01:28:10.640 Until you undo your own hypocrisy, we can't even begin to have a conversation. 0.90

01:28:15.500 Yeah, don't even bother me with the conversation. 0.93

01:28:17.400 Don't want to hear it.

01:28:18.280 Because until you practice what you preach, I don't get to, I don't, I don't.

01:28:25.200 It's literally like.

01:28:26.240 I know too many good people to waste my time talking to bad people.

01:28:32.300 Oh my God, same.

01:28:33.560 Sometimes, because I think because of what I do, like, the niche, the very specific niche I've carved out in, like, on TikTok and stuff.

01:28:40.360 Sometimes people ask me, like, what do I do if, like, my boyfriend or partner or whatever or, like, my friend is, like, bigoted or, like, doesn't.

01:28:49.300 Like, how do I talk to them?

01:28:51.380 I don't know.

01:28:51.980 I don't have people like that in my life.

01:28:53.440 I, like, deadass. 0.94

01:28:54.080 I'm like, I don't know, I hate bigots and I'm not friends with any of them. 0.95

01:28:57.000 So, I'm not really sure.

01:28:59.320 Okay, so here's the best, like, thing someone said to me about myself that I would say, this is how you deal with bigots.

01:29:08.840 I have worked with many wonderful straight male actors on Broadway who have never treated me like anything other than the leading lady.

01:29:22.240 Yeah, the woman you are. 0.75

01:29:24.000 The woman I am.

01:29:25.160 The leading lady.

01:29:27.540 And I one time had a very candid conversation because it was my first time in a production as a woman.

01:29:35.860 And I told my friend how much I appreciated that he never treated me like anything but the leading lady.

01:29:42.040 And he said to me, you never gave me any other option.

01:29:46.540 And I'm like, that kind of confidence is not, I mean, that's easier said than done.

01:29:52.000 Right.

01:29:52.260 But when you have to claim something for yourself and you have to, like, fight for it, then it's easier to tell people, like, stand down if you don't want a problem.

01:30:08.600 For real?

01:30:09.060 Like, I fought too hard to get here to let you be the one who stands in, like, I've taken on bigger monsters than you in Hollywood for years.

01:30:22.160 It's true.

01:30:23.700 That's such a good way of looking at it, too.

01:30:25.260 You're right.

01:30:25.840 Like, a no-nonsense household.

01:30:27.860 Like, it's a very, like, guest in the house to me.

01:30:30.700 Like, I'm very, like, you can hang out as long as you're respectful.

01:30:33.240 My family was not perfect by any means, and, you know, I still had to unlearn plenty of conditioning that white people are taught by our culture and by our families, whether they mean to or not.

01:30:47.720 But the rule always was we can't judge others because then it invites them to judge us, you know?

01:30:58.060 Like, I only ever want to ask of other people what I'm willing to give them, you know?

01:31:05.760 Period.

01:31:06.320 And I feel like, you know, to exist in this world, we didn't ask to be born on this planet, but here we are sharing it.

01:31:16.240 So we're all roommates, and just be good roommates.

01:31:19.200 For real. 0.99

01:31:20.500 I'm a real respect begets respect kind of bitch. 0.99

01:31:23.240 So it's like, if you give it, I'll give it, too. 0.99

01:31:25.640 And if you don't, God help you.

01:31:28.060 I won't disrespect you, but again, I'm just going to, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to go bye-bye now.

01:31:35.880 That's what the weed's for, to tune you out.

01:31:38.740 Need that.

01:31:39.720 Need that.

01:31:40.600 Exactly.

01:31:41.880 So I do have some fun facts for you.

01:31:44.180 Okay.

01:31:44.460 Now we're going to pivot to your fun facts.

01:31:46.920 And you can let me know if they're fun.

01:31:48.480 Sure.

01:31:48.980 Okay.

01:31:49.340 So it says, the first one is easy.

01:31:52.120 We kind of talked about it already, that you have described witchcraft as your philosophy.

01:31:56.380 See, does that ever get any pushback from people when you talk about that?

01:32:01.140 No, because I feel like those who practice Wicca as a religion, they refer to themselves as Wiccans, you know?

01:32:10.660 Yeah.

01:32:10.980 And those who practice witchcraft, some people practice both.

01:32:15.100 Some people practice one and not the other.

01:32:17.160 You know, it's all, it's a, it's a choose your own adventure.

01:32:22.180 I'd say more people are offended by me quoting the Bible to them or pointing out the hypocrisies in Christianity than they are of like the way I identify as a witch. 0.98

01:32:35.820 Because, you know, most witches are just happy you're doing something.

01:32:40.400 Representation.

01:32:41.420 That's what you're, you're providing them with representation.

01:32:43.520 It's a beautiful thing.

01:32:45.600 Okay.

01:32:46.080 This next one says that your very first large scale drag performance was at the Escape nightclub where you popped out of a box dressed as a windup doll.

01:32:54.440 Yeah.

01:32:55.420 Ooh.

01:32:56.120 That is like, that's very accurate.

01:32:58.460 My first iteration of doing drag was me and my friend Etienne.

01:33:05.240 I was always in the school play, so I didn't have time for an after school job.

01:33:09.000 So we would busk on the streets on the weekend and we would paint ourselves up like mimes and bring a boom box and do drag numbers, but specifically like things from Pinocchio or Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

01:33:21.800 So it was family friendly.

01:33:23.020 You were doing drag busking?

01:33:24.480 Yeah, drag mime work. 1.00

01:33:26.000 Yeah.

01:33:26.500 And then eventually we started doing these numbers at the nightclubs.

01:33:30.580 Nice.

01:33:31.220 And that was our initial drag act.

01:33:34.160 And then eventually it was like, okay, I've done the doll thing.

01:33:37.280 What else?

01:33:38.000 You know?

01:33:38.820 I just saw your video where, I think it was like 2007 where you were doing Jinxalicious.

01:33:45.040 I just saw that video literally this morning on the way down here.

01:33:49.000 It, um.

01:33:50.740 I thought it was tea.

01:33:51.980 I, that was one of those things where I got hold of the karaoke trick and I just did that number as much as I possibly could because I thought I was the most clever little thing in the world.

01:34:03.960 Um, now I work with a music partner who writes my lyrics so they get a little more clever.

01:34:12.080 I still love writing parody songs and I do in the Jinx and Dayla holiday show.

01:34:17.520 Yes.

01:34:17.800 But I got to say like, you know, I was what, 16 then?

01:34:22.400 Yeah.

01:34:22.680 Your version of Jinxalicious was amazing.

01:34:25.640 10 out of 10 from me.

01:34:27.220 Yeah.

01:34:27.400 You know, I'd love to, me and Fergie can have a licious off someday.

01:34:34.060 A licious off.

01:34:35.000 If you perform Jinxalicious on like America's Got Talent, or is it America's Got Talent?

01:34:38.160 I want to perform it for Fergie's Lifetime Achievement Award.

01:34:43.180 But it's about you.

01:34:46.180 That's a great idea.

01:34:48.380 Oh my God, I love that.

01:34:50.280 Or she gets into like the Hall of Fame or something.

01:34:52.480 Or I'll write, be a drag queen set to be Italian. 0.99

01:34:56.220 Anyway, this is, we're pulling threads here.

01:35:00.500 Well, I think everyone should look into Jinxalicious. 0.97

01:35:03.500 I think it was a hit, a certified hit, in my opinion.

01:35:06.700 Okay, next fun fact.

01:35:09.180 When you were first starting out in Seattle, you worked as a janitor while performing in

01:35:13.600 musical theater shows and finishing school.

01:35:16.080 Yes.

01:35:16.680 Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

01:35:18.360 My freshman year, I got the work study job as the school janitor.

01:35:25.700 And I would go to school four hours before my classes, clean the school, and then take

01:35:33.800 classes in those rooms that I cleaned.

01:35:36.840 And I would be the person like, students would make messes.

01:35:41.180 I'd be like, you, who do you think's got to clean that up?

01:35:44.200 I was like the mom in the theater department telling my friends not to make messes.

01:35:49.520 I was like, and then I, on breaks, I would, I'd go back and work at the nightclubs, but

01:35:59.640 I'd also work at the Gap.

01:36:01.540 And then I had like, I had a short, a short-lived job in food service.

01:36:07.700 Me too.

01:36:08.280 Very short for me.

01:36:09.360 All that took was a short time in food service.

01:36:12.140 And I went back to being a janitor.

01:36:13.640 I was like, I need people to stop talking to me.

01:36:16.340 Like, I need to go back to put my headphones in.

01:36:19.300 Right.

01:36:19.780 Let me do my thing.

01:36:20.960 The place will get clean.

01:36:22.260 Yeah.

01:36:23.140 No, I would choose that too over serving.

01:36:25.100 When I was a server for a little tiny bit in college, it was the worst job I've ever had.

01:36:29.940 Yeah.

01:36:30.300 It was like genuinely terrible.

01:36:31.580 I just, again, logic.

01:36:33.840 Like as soon as they have a problem that I'm like, that's not a problem.

01:36:37.300 Right.

01:36:38.580 Me too.

01:36:39.340 That's not a real problem.

01:36:40.660 Same.

01:36:40.980 Then I can't fake it.

01:36:43.020 Right.

01:36:43.260 I loved cleaning.

01:36:44.780 So I, I, I loved cleaning for these reasons.

01:36:47.920 It was solitary and I got to do it my own way.

01:36:50.820 And people didn't care how it got cleaned as long as it got clean.

01:36:54.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.240 But I did do some disgusting things.

01:36:56.520 I had to, I had to clean some disgusting messes.

01:36:59.220 I imagine you cleaning like in the hallway and then you're finishing the math equations

01:37:03.040 in the classroom too.

01:37:04.260 Well, I went to art school.

01:37:05.360 So there were no math equations.

01:37:07.000 But, um, I did continue, uh, doing custodian work after school.

01:37:14.260 I, I did a hospital setting for a little bit.

01:37:17.380 That was, um, uh, some rough messes sometimes.

01:37:21.220 Oh my God.

01:37:21.500 I can't imagine.

01:37:21.900 But I also freelance cleaned people's apartments.

01:37:24.740 Look at you.

01:37:25.340 So, um, uh, my roommates were furious that I would go clean other people's places and

01:37:31.940 then come home.

01:37:32.620 I'm like, I'm too tired to clean our places.

01:37:34.900 Well, hello.

01:37:36.100 You're home.

01:37:36.560 That's what I do for a living.

01:37:37.720 You want me to bring work home?

01:37:40.120 That's why I don't do karaoke.

01:37:44.480 But yeah, yeah.

01:37:45.520 It was a fun job.

01:37:46.560 I liked it.

01:37:46.840 No, you're a hardworking girl. 1.00

01:37:48.300 Shit. 1.00

01:37:48.500 Shit. 1.00

01:37:49.480 Um, it, this next fun fact says you own a 115 year old home in Portland called Monsoon 0.99

01:37:54.660 Manor.

01:37:55.260 Yeah.

01:37:55.740 And it's been queer owned since the sixties. 0.99

01:37:58.520 Oh, I love that.

01:37:59.520 It was sold from one queer owner to another queer owner. 0.99

01:38:02.520 And then I bought it from that queer owner who was also the supervisor at the queer teen 1.00

01:38:09.840 rec center that I hung out at as a kid.

01:38:14.920 And they sold me the house.

01:38:17.240 Um, they actually took our offer over the developer's offer because they were going to

01:38:22.820 tear it down and turn it into condos.

01:38:24.660 So on either side of our very Portland, which house, very Portland-y looking.

01:38:33.240 Oh, I bet.

01:38:34.020 I can only imagine.

01:38:34.720 Um, artsy DIY house.

01:38:37.160 Oh, I can only imagine.

01:38:38.440 On either side, there's like, you know, manufactured condos.

01:38:41.920 So it's a little bit like the opening scene in Up.

01:38:44.680 I was going to say.

01:38:45.160 It's like, it's a little bit like that.

01:38:47.100 When I saw Up, I was like.

01:38:48.380 I kind of was like, where'd you get that picture of my house?

01:38:53.680 I felt that way.

01:38:55.360 Someone's watching me.

01:38:58.520 Oh my God.

01:38:58.840 That's so beautiful though.

01:38:59.840 I love that.

01:39:00.740 I love that.

01:39:01.200 It's been passed down generations too.

01:39:03.160 I think that's tea.

01:39:03.700 It's a special house.

01:39:05.020 Yeah.

01:39:05.620 I'll never let it get torn down.

01:39:07.480 And I bet it's super witchy too because of you.

01:39:09.840 I'm sure.

01:39:10.520 I can only imagine.

01:39:11.400 We put a lot of work into it.

01:39:12.640 And it's not just me, the whole family.

01:39:14.320 We really love that place.

01:39:15.720 Oh, it's beautiful.

01:39:17.280 Um, okay.

01:39:17.560 Last one fact.

01:39:18.460 It says in 2013, you started an off-Broadway musical comedy called The Vaudevillians.

01:39:23.900 Yeah.

01:39:24.460 Vaudevillians?

01:39:25.580 Vaudevillians.

01:39:26.240 Vaudevillians.

01:39:26.660 That was the show that I began writing with my music partner and then roommate.

01:39:33.840 We met in college.

01:39:34.920 We started living together in college.

01:39:37.700 We started entertaining ourselves.

01:39:40.260 We both had small parts in the show Our Town.

01:39:43.040 Okay.

01:39:43.540 And so we would pretend to be the oldest people in town.

01:39:46.280 And we would like make up these jokes about like, in the good old days.

01:39:50.320 And then we started singing old timey versions of pop songs, like as if, as if they were written

01:39:57.140 way back when.

01:39:58.040 And then that kind of morphed into this idea of what if they were Vaudeville stars from

01:40:03.600 the 1920s, who did write most of the popular music we know today.

01:40:09.120 Yeah.

01:40:09.720 But never got the copyrights because they were lost at some point and now they've come back.

01:40:17.380 And we were like, okay, so how did they get lost and how do they come back?

01:40:21.380 Like, the premise was we were two Vaudeville stars who had gotten frozen alive in an avalanche.

01:40:28.160 But the amount of cocaine in our systems kind of cryogenically froze us.

01:40:33.340 And now we've thawed out and we're here to like fight the custody battles for our original

01:40:40.060 music.

01:40:40.520 So Girls Just Want to Have Fun was about the women's suffragette movement. 1.00

01:40:45.300 And Toxic was about Mary Curie's work in radiation.

01:40:51.180 Oh, my God.

01:40:52.840 Okay.

01:40:53.600 You should bring it back.

01:40:55.060 We, I would love to bring it back.

01:40:58.200 I'd have to do some rewrites because I'm not 24 anymore.

01:41:01.060 And I used to do the splits as like a big part of a show.

01:41:04.240 It was like I built a lot of the show around doing the splits.

01:41:07.040 Around the splits specifically.

01:41:08.500 Come up with a new bit. 0.99

01:41:10.860 But no, it's, I, I, I love, I love doing my work through the stupidest choices possible. 0.95

01:41:21.620 I like to say I have serious conversations, very serious conversations that are very important 0.99

01:41:27.480 to me in the stupidest way I can find. 0.98

01:41:30.960 I get that. 0.99

01:41:31.640 Because it's oftentimes the best way to communicate with people because, you know, they got to

01:41:38.480 have enough people yelling at them and lying to them.

01:41:41.320 Totally. 0.99

01:41:41.500 I'd rather just be honest and silly. 0.98

01:41:44.900 I agree. 0.97

01:41:46.080 I agree.

01:41:46.760 I've compared my, my content, like, because I've told people before, like, everything that

01:41:52.180 I'm teaching you is like not new.

01:41:54.160 Like, anything you learn from me about, like, feminism, white supremacy, the patriarchy, whatever

01:41:58.480 it may be, is not new.

01:42:00.200 Right.

01:42:00.460 And I was like, but I describe my, like, education of, of the people who follow me because a lot

01:42:05.840 of them have been like, oh, I had never really thought about it that way.

01:42:08.700 I'd never really unpacked my own, like, internalized biases that way.

01:42:12.820 I always describe it or liken it to, like, putting a pill in cheese and giving it to

01:42:17.180 a dog.

01:42:17.740 Like, however you learn, if it's, like, through sillies, if it's through jokes, that's great.

01:42:22.240 Just don't stop with me.

01:42:23.400 Like, I always say, like, if this is how you intro to it and you're like, actually, maybe

01:42:27.240 this is something I should look into.

01:42:28.540 Maybe this is something I should care about.

01:42:30.220 Yeah.

01:42:30.540 Then if that's how you learn, that's great.

01:42:32.280 That's wonderful.

01:42:33.100 And I wonder if it's been true for you that the more you reveal of yourself, the more you

01:42:38.980 welcome more people in because they're like, like, I thought telling the world that I

01:42:45.420 practice witchcraft was going to be a bad thing.

01:42:50.040 Right.

01:42:50.580 But it got to this point where I was like, that's too much a part of my life, like, to

01:42:55.420 try to not talk about it.

01:42:57.440 Yeah, totally.

01:42:57.880 So I started talking about it.

01:42:59.500 And now, witches come to my shows and they're like, that's a witch. 0.95

01:43:05.020 Like, there she is.

01:43:06.400 She's one of us.

01:43:07.280 Like, and, um, and I just, I love the fact that comedy has been my way to talk to so many

01:43:17.280 different people.

01:43:18.320 Yeah.

01:43:18.760 Likewise.

01:43:19.500 Like, it's been, it's, it makes me happy knowing that I chose laughter as a path in life.

01:43:26.840 Me too.

01:43:27.480 Same.

01:43:27.560 And it doesn't mean that I don't confront the hard stuff.

01:43:31.240 And, um, I, I do the work so that my jokes are jokes I feel good about telling, you know?

01:43:38.040 Yes, exactly.

01:43:38.940 But, uh, I really feel like there's a reason why the divine theater masks are tragedy and

01:43:47.160 comedy.

01:43:47.680 Like, we learn, we learn from each other's experiences through those, like, extreme ends

01:43:55.340 of the spectrum.

01:43:56.160 Yeah.

01:43:56.600 Like, through our extreme joy and our extreme pain that we choose to share with one another.

01:44:01.680 Yeah.

01:44:02.320 Absolutely.

01:44:02.980 I agree.

01:44:03.440 And I'm sure you get this too.

01:44:04.760 Like, sometimes when you expand further on a topic and it's not as silly, but like, like,

01:44:09.640 you have multiple times throughout the show.

01:44:11.120 So, and then sometimes when you're expanding on that to some people, they'll be like, wow.

01:44:16.300 Like, and even if you, if it's clipped and put somewhere, you'll see people in the comments

01:44:20.140 going, I did not think she was that smart.

01:44:23.100 Well, I mean, people won't shut up about my episode with Z-Way talking about J.K.

01:44:29.720 Rowling.

01:44:30.280 And I was like, we were just cutting up with each other.

01:44:34.080 Like, I'm so glad it resonates. 1.00

01:44:35.940 Yeah, no, dead ass. 1.00

01:44:37.200 I feel that way too. 1.00

01:44:43.440 But I feel that way too.

01:44:44.440 You know, again, don't question it.

01:44:46.380 No, for real.

01:44:47.700 But I, I sure do love it.

01:44:49.560 I sure do.

01:44:50.560 I sure do.

01:44:52.400 I, I feel honored to get to be in this place at this time because, um.

01:44:59.000 It was for a reason.

01:45:00.540 It's all, you know, being a performer.

01:45:02.880 Yeah.

01:45:03.400 And I've never really cared how.

01:45:05.620 Like, I've done stand-up comedy.

01:45:07.740 I've been a drag queen since I was 15 years old.

01:45:11.780 Being on stage in theater is my favorite version of it.

01:45:16.120 But.

01:45:16.320 Yeah.

01:45:16.860 I find it everywhere.

01:45:18.640 You know.

01:45:19.260 I find it in these conversations.

01:45:21.420 Absolutely.

01:45:22.340 And I just think the world's a better place when we're allowed to do those things.

01:45:26.120 I agree.

01:45:26.620 We know we were meant to be.

01:45:28.900 Yeah, especially you and I.

01:45:29.740 I feel like you and I are so powerful in that, especially being born on the same day.

01:45:33.240 I think you and I are so powerful in that, like, I could easily turn evil.

01:45:37.060 But I'm not.

01:45:37.620 I made the choice.

01:45:39.080 And I.

01:45:40.240 You know, that's another reason I don't drink.

01:45:45.020 It's true.

01:45:45.640 But it's like, yeah, like, don't, don't push a smart, funny person too far.

01:45:52.980 I'm telling you.

01:45:53.620 Because your best comedians are just one push away from being an evil genius.

01:46:00.400 This isn't even.

01:46:01.500 I don't have a punchline here.

01:46:03.040 One of my lines I wrote down for my next stand-up special just says, I've been spending a lot of time staring at myself in the mirror like a Batman villain.

01:46:11.060 And I'm like, where was I going with this?

01:46:16.080 That's just a, that's just something I feel like sharing with people.

01:46:20.740 Just a thought starter.

01:46:21.820 Just, I want you to know what I could be doing.

01:46:25.180 It's true.

01:46:26.400 But I choose not to.

01:46:28.440 I say that all the time.

01:46:29.680 I use my evil for good.

01:46:31.340 I really do.

01:46:32.140 Especially me.

01:46:32.840 I feel like it's a real Robin Hood situation.

01:46:35.280 I am robbing, but at least I'm giving back.

01:46:37.620 Yeah.

01:46:38.040 So it's all neutralizing.

01:46:39.080 And what you were saying really resonated with me that like all the lessons that I don't try to teach anyone anything.

01:46:46.900 Yeah.

01:46:47.260 I just share with everyone what worked for me.

01:46:50.420 Same.

01:46:50.660 This is all just me paying it forward from somewhere else.

01:46:53.720 I agree.

01:46:54.340 I don't know the sources half the time.

01:46:56.940 I just know that this is what worked for me, so you should do it too.

01:47:01.000 Right.

01:47:01.280 Exactly. 1.00

01:47:01.840 And that's coming from a Virgo, bitch. 1.00

01:47:03.680 Yes, bitch. 1.00

01:47:04.780 And write it down so you don't forget next time. 1.00

01:47:06.880 Well, I fucking love you. 0.99

01:47:10.560 Ditto. 0.99

01:47:10.960 You're amazing.

01:47:12.160 You're incredible and an icon.

01:47:13.760 And this is me being serious for once in this entire episode.

01:47:16.860 I think you are so amazing and talented, which I know you know.

01:47:21.920 But I really think that it's like divine timing that you're having this moment now, especially.

01:47:27.380 Like people are you are so brave and important. 0.99

01:47:29.880 And I really am grateful that the internet specifically, because the world has known what a fucking star you are. 0.99

01:47:35.700 I've known what a fucking star you are. 0.99

01:47:37.200 But I'm glad that the internet at large and younger people get to see you in the light that you're in now. 0.99

01:47:42.200 I think it's a beautiful full circle thing.

01:47:43.880 Well, I feel exactly the same about you.

01:47:48.180 Thank you.

01:47:49.360 And I think, you know, leaning into our authentic selves, knowing that we are providing representation for a community.

01:48:04.020 It helps me remember that I'm part of something bigger, especially when it's like it gets very it can get very like you're a goddess on earth and everyone is so lucky, you know.

01:48:17.900 But it's I make the time at the stage door to really listen to the young trans people who say, I feel like I can do what you're doing because you're doing it.

01:48:30.520 And I'm like, there weren't as many people when I was that age.

01:48:34.720 Right.

01:48:35.160 But I noticed each and every one of them.

01:48:38.140 Yeah.

01:48:38.380 And I know how powerful it is to have that moment.

01:48:42.160 And like I got to thank John Cameron Mitchell for creating Hedwig and the Angry Inch because that, to me, told me there was a place for me to go in this industry.

01:48:50.780 Yeah.

01:48:51.260 And when I remember those moments and when I remember that it's that's the real magic.

01:48:58.220 It's not it's not my name in lights.

01:49:01.060 It's that feeling that's getting that went from one person to me to the next person.

01:49:07.340 That's the real, real magic of what we're doing. 0.98

01:49:10.280 I agree that like cosmic exchange, it is it does refill my cup, too, when I feel frustrated or upset because I I know, you know, this, but like sometimes it fucking sucks being the first. 0.77

01:49:21.600 Sometimes it's isolating and it's awful and it's hard being the first in a lot of ways.

01:49:25.840 But then moments like that, I've said many times, like testimonies like that from people who love me and they and they say things like I never would have done this if it wasn't for you.

01:49:34.400 I you changed my life, whatever. That kind of stuff reminds me like that's why I really love the job.

01:49:40.300 It's actually humbling. Yeah, because what it is, is I didn't set out to do that.

01:49:46.440 Right. I just was doing what I knew I should do. Right.

01:49:52.540 And then it got to do that extra stuff. And so the fact that I get to do what I've always wanted to do and it has this positive impact.

01:49:59.400 Yes. That's what keeps me humble. Me, too. Like the more I worry about the popularity of it, the more I get diverted from the purpose of special about our.

01:50:11.060 Yeah. Like the real reason behind it. I think that all the time, too. I'm like, it's so much bigger than me.

01:50:15.860 Like, it's so much bigger than me. And I feel makes me feel more grateful for it, too, because it can suck doing and keep the right people close.

01:50:22.960 Yes, exactly. Especially for the humbling part. Never replace the people who are real with you with people who just tell you what you want to hear.

01:50:33.320 Oh, my God. I know. Because I've watched friends do that and I've watched them stop being my friend.

01:50:41.020 And I never saw them again. And I never saw them again.

01:50:43.300 You know, and you're so right. I was just joking about this the other day. I was telling my I was wearing my mom.

01:50:49.540 Right. I love my family. I'm always is always extremely humbling to me, which is a beautiful thing.

01:50:53.760 I need that. And my mom the other day, literally like a week ago, I was like we were going to meetings or something.

01:50:58.800 I had a bunch of meetings or whatever. And I was wearing these like suit pants.

01:51:03.100 They're like pinstripe blue pants. And I had like a little white top on. And so I had these exact shoes.

01:51:08.140 I was like, let me try these on with the pants. I've seen girls do that. 1.00

01:51:10.560 I put it on and go look in the mirror. And I'm like, I'm not loving this.

01:51:13.740 Like as I'm looking, I'm like, does this look bad? And my mom goes, no, it doesn't look bad.

01:51:16.320 And I'm all, really? And then she goes, it doesn't look bad.

01:51:19.920 It just looks like you're going to go catch up on your steps at lunch. 1.00

01:51:22.900 And I was like, this bitch. And my sister goes, commuter shoes. 1.00

01:51:26.640 I'm like, yeah. I was like, OK. Guess what that did? Made me change the whole outfit.

01:51:30.780 I scrapped the whole thing, picked a new outfit.

01:51:32.820 That reminds me one of my favorite things. My grandma, who is the first person.

01:51:38.160 And my grandma, my aunt knew I was a drag queen before anyone else in my family because I trusted them to not worry about it.

01:51:45.880 And I used to show my grandma my look for the night before I went out that night and see if she had any final notes.

01:51:53.580 And one night I had my hair and I had put a lot of work into this hair. Never been a strong suit of mine hair.

01:52:01.380 This was not me today. And I went and I showed her the wig and I said, I think this hair works because I'm singing a country song tonight.

01:52:10.320 And my grandma went, well, sweet pea, it's just that country singers are known for having really nice hair, like really well styled hair. 0.99

01:52:19.960 And I was like, oh, my grandma just read me.

01:52:24.920 I just like really, that was a soft read.

01:52:28.440 It got libraries open. 0.99

01:52:30.440 Damn. 0.99

01:52:30.860 So I just, you know, I had the right people around me. 0.99

01:52:37.020 And that's a beautiful thing. And I love that. I fucking love you.

01:52:39.760 I think you're amazing. I appreciate sharing a birthday with you. 0.99

01:52:42.560 We'll have to trade numbers after this.

01:52:43.540 Yes, we have to. Absolutely. And you can't take it back because it's on camera.

01:52:47.200 I know.

01:52:47.740 So it's on the record.

01:52:50.100 Just so you guys know.

01:52:51.400 I know. I'm used to it.

01:52:53.960 I think you're fucking incredible. 0.96

01:52:58.600 I can't wait to continue watching you soar to all the newest heights and all the amazing things you want to conquer and win a Tony. 0.97

01:53:05.560 Thank you.

01:53:05.800 Can't wait for that. I think you're well on your way.

01:53:07.340 From your mouth.

01:53:08.640 To the universe's ears, honestly.

01:53:11.780 And that being said.

01:53:13.420 Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

01:53:14.220 I just want to wish you all the best in your Broadway endeavors, too.

01:53:17.400 Oh, my God.

01:53:18.060 Thank you.

01:53:18.960 There are plenty of roles that you don't need to sing for.

01:53:22.100 And when you see me with a little goatee and a low pony, act cool.

01:53:27.700 Everyone be cool.

01:53:28.880 And no, we did it here.

01:53:29.980 I will be front row and center.

01:53:32.160 You're going to be on stage door?

01:53:33.620 Because I'll be responsible for it.

01:53:35.260 I'll have to put my money where my mouth is.

01:53:38.680 That's why I said you'll be at the stage door for me when I come out dressed as Hamilton.

01:53:42.620 One woman show for a one woman audience. 1.00

01:53:47.440 Just you and me in the theater.

01:53:49.060 And the energy's electric.

01:53:50.200 I can't wait for it.

01:53:52.640 Thank you so much for coming on the show.

01:53:54.400 I think you're amazing.

01:53:55.800 For maybe the two straight people that watch me and don't know you, where can everybody find you?

01:54:01.400 Oh, jinxmonsoon.com.

01:54:03.440 That's J-I-N-K-X. 1.00

01:54:06.300 Yes.

01:54:06.780 I made it difficult for no reason.

01:54:09.820 Monsoon like the natural disaster.

01:54:11.720 And I will be playing Judy Garland in End of the Rainbow.

01:54:17.920 Yes!

01:54:18.760 Off West End at the Soho Walfing Thumb.

01:54:22.480 I can never pronounce this theater's name correctly, but you can Google it.

01:54:27.940 And it's going to be a lovely production this summer in the UK.

01:54:32.620 I'm so excited.

01:54:33.100 Oh, I can't wait.

01:54:34.220 I'm so excited.

01:54:34.880 Oh, and jinxandayla.com for the annual holiday tour that we do through the U.S. and Canada.

01:54:40.000 Period.

01:54:40.440 A busy girl wearing many, many hats.

01:54:42.400 Better busy than dead, right?

01:54:43.640 Yeah.

01:54:44.020 Amen.

01:54:45.040 Too busy and high.

01:54:46.000 Thank you all so much for tuning in to this episode of the comment section show.

01:54:51.760 Everyone, make sure to go follow, straight people, the two that watch me.

01:54:55.120 Make sure you're also following Jinx and everything and tune in to everything she's doing.

01:54:58.240 Obviously, I called the Tony win first, so everyone has that record now.

01:55:01.640 We all are apprised to the information.

01:55:03.560 Thank you all so much for tuning in.

01:55:04.480 Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday.

01:55:06.860 You can stream the audio on all streaming channels, but the video lists are free and exclusively on Spotify.

01:55:11.540 Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Jinx Monsoon.

01:55:13.540 Thank you so much for tuning in, and I'll see you next week.

01:55:15.440 Bye!

01:55:16.000 Bye!

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