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00:01:00.020 When you ask a man, they're like, she's got to f***ing cook and clean and make a lot of money and

00:01:03.980 also not be a whore. It's just like, the priorities are so different. Yeah. It's so,

00:01:08.760 so true. Like, the first thing single women tell me is like, just someone who's nice to me. And I'm

00:01:13.040 like, girl. Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show

00:01:23.960 starring me, Drew. Everybody knows me. Nobody gives a s*** about me anymore. All right, whatever.

00:01:28.960 On to the amazing guests of today. We have the iconic, the legendary, the amazing, Remy Cruz

00:01:35.700 and Alicia Marie. Hi, guys. Hello. Welcome. Thank you for having us. Oh my gosh, of course.

00:01:43.540 Welcome to the pod. I'm happy to have you here. We're honored, honestly. You know what's so

00:01:47.580 funny? We all went to the birthday show together. Yes. You don't even need to say Beyonce, just

00:01:53.800 the birthday show. The birthday show. Yes. Coming out the gate, flexing. And even then, like,

00:01:58.420 because you guys were in my TikTok from that day, a lot of people were like, are you going

00:02:01.980 to have them on the pod or what? And I was like, yes, I am. But not for four more months.

00:02:07.060 Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. We're here. Sorry. They're super busy. As you can tell, they're

00:02:10.520 very, very successful. So they're very busy. OK, so I told you I was going to do it. And

00:02:16.120 now it's happening. And we really do want you on pretty basic. Like, we truly do. So it's

00:02:21.280 coming, guys. I am so happy to have you. I've been a big fan of both of you for a long time.

00:02:25.500 Thank you. I'm so glad you all are here. Well, I just remember in the depths of 2020, you

00:02:29.940 know, all these new creators were just popping out of nowhere. And I'm not going to lie.

00:02:33.260 Like, at first, it's like, oh, no. Are we old and irrelevant? Like, what's going to happen?

00:02:37.820 And then yours kept coming up for me. And I was like, this bitch gets it. Like, she's

00:02:42.700 hilarious. Oh, thank you. I like I. Oh, my God. It's just rare for me to binge watch a

00:02:47.600 creator like that. We were dying laughing. Truly. Thank you. I'm so glad. Well, you guys

00:02:53.040 have been in the game for a long time. We have. We feel very old. No, you're not. We feel old.

00:02:57.800 You're old, but we're like the same age. So I'm just recent. Like, true. Young and new

00:03:03.180 and shiny. Yeah. And old. And I'm also geriatric, though. Sometimes when I tell people how old

00:03:08.060 I am, especially TikTokers, they're like, oh, oh, my God. Oh, you know it. Wait, how

00:03:12.400 old are you? I'm 28. Oh, me too. OK, we are the same age. OK, good. I love that. I just

00:03:16.600 turned 30. Period. Congratulations. We are 30, 30 and thriving. That's very exciting. You

00:03:23.440 know, it's funny. A long time ago, someone I used to work with, she was talking to me about

00:03:27.940 something. Oh, this is actually at my old job. Everybody knows where I used to work and I got

00:03:31.940 fired from. But I was talking to someone there and I was telling her, I don't know, I just feel

00:03:36.820 like I don't want to be doing this for the rest of my life if I'm unhappy. And I was like, I just

00:03:41.480 feel like time's going. So me like just like asking for therapy, trauma dumping. And she was

00:03:48.180 like, how old are you? Yeah, my coworker. She's in her 40s. And I was like, oh, I think

00:03:52.560 at the time I was like 24 or 25. And she was like, oh, you're so young. You're so young.

00:03:56.980 You have so much time. Relax. Like she immediately told me that. But she said, if I could pick

00:04:01.580 any time to go back to, it would be my 30s. Like she was like, my 30s were the best time

00:04:05.920 of my life ever. And she was like, you think like your life's ending when your 20s are over

00:04:10.680 because like you're young and whatever. And I was she was like, but it's so much better

00:04:15.300 in your 30s because you're like financially stable, like friends stable. Like you know

00:04:20.680 who you are for the most part. She's like, it's just way more fun because your 20s are

00:04:25.660 just you in a twister the whole time. That's what it felt like. Yeah. Just being tossed

00:04:29.720 and turned all the time. You've like, you've done the work and now you get to appreciate

00:04:33.320 all that you've done and enjoy life. I am looking forward to that. Yeah. But I don't want

00:04:37.240 to be 30. Sorry, Alicia. How's it been being 30? Honestly, I love it. Like I really

00:04:45.200 do love it. And I don't, it's so cliche because I've always hated when people are like, oh,

00:04:50.620 you're so young. I'm like, shut up. You don't get it. But obviously they do. But I'm not

00:04:55.220 kidding. I truly, I felt like a weight off my shoulders because the same thing. I felt

00:04:58.580 like I was dreading 30. Yeah. And then it came and I was like, oh, just another Tuesday.

00:05:03.700 Just another Tuesday. You say I feel pretty good. I know. I'm like, damn. It's like, it's

00:05:08.580 so funny. I even think about like one time my boyfriend's brother was calling us. He was

00:05:13.560 asking us for like, he was like, oh, I'm making a dish to take to a party. And my boyfriend

00:05:18.060 was like, what party are you going to? Because he's 23. So I was like, what party are you going

00:05:21.760 to where you have to bring a dish? Because you're early 20s? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't

00:05:25.500 bringing shit to a party. Yeah. But vibes. I brought a person up and in it. And a case of

00:05:29.500 B. Y. O. B. Yeah. No, literally. I didn't even bring a drink. If we're lucky. Yeah. I was

00:05:33.880 like, the whole point was to get drinks bought for me. I didn't know. I came with nothing. That is

00:05:37.520 true. So he was like, oh, it's like a potluck or something. And he's like, you're doing potlucks

00:05:41.300 in 23. It's so pure. I was like, I can't relate to that at all. My early 20s, a blur.

00:05:47.100 That's actually really cute, though. Good life lessons early on. Yeah. I feel like I just feel

00:05:52.120 like my early 20s, like especially when I was in college, a blur, a blur, hardly remember most of

00:05:58.380 it. So really, I feel like I had a blast in college. I believe that. I mean, that's like the

00:06:03.000 quintessential experience. We didn't get to partying till we were like mid 20s. Really? Yeah. I didn't

00:06:08.500 party in college because I was late. No, I'm just like wasn't into it. But then when

00:06:13.100 I hit 23, party face hit. Yeah. Which was fun. Time to go out. Yeah. It was us together

00:06:17.660 because she was 25. I was 23 and we were hitting the bars every day. Oh, period. Yeah. Do you

00:06:21.940 ever think back to that time when you're like, that would put me in a hospital now? Oh, my

00:06:25.200 God. I'd be hospitalized. No. I'd be bedridden. Many times. Yeah. The way that I thought I couldn't

00:06:30.600 hang by not doing like a four day weekender. I was like, wow, my God, like I'm so lame

00:06:36.780 now or whatever. Oh, my God. What? I know. Now I have like two glasses of wine and I'm

00:06:42.260 like, oh, man, I can't. I have to wake up early tomorrow. Same. I can't do it anymore.

00:06:45.860 When I hit 26. Also, I feel like we're just like acting like we're so old right now. When

00:06:50.640 I hit 26, I had my first hangover ever. And then now. Wait, what? Yeah. Because remember

00:06:56.520 when I was like younger, I would go out every weekend, like four days in a row and like wake

00:07:01.020 up and go, wake up and go. No issues. Now I sniff a glass of wine and I'm hung over. It's

00:07:06.320 crazy. I really am acting like I'm so old. I'm sorry. I had like four light beers once

00:07:11.880 and I the next day I thought I had COVID. And I was like, oh, I think something's wrong

00:07:15.640 with me. Is that bad? I was Mr. Krabs. I was like, something's wrong with me. And I called

00:07:21.660 my mom. I was like, didn't you drink yesterday? I was like, I have four light beers. And it

00:07:25.160 happens overnight, though. It really does. Yeah. She was like, maybe you're hung over. And

00:07:27.920 I was like, no. No. Absolutely. When I treated it like a hangover, I felt better. I was

00:07:33.780 like, I'm embarrassed. The little like ice cap. Do you have the ice cap? I just bought

00:07:38.540 it. I just bought it. Does it work? Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. I just do it if I have

00:07:43.440 a headache or anything. It's just like a little like headband now. That's us being

00:07:46.480 old. When you get excited over that. Kitchen appliances. Don't get me started. All the

00:07:53.700 things. Oh, yeah. You love cooking. I do love cooking. Oh, my gosh. Cooking with Remy.

00:07:57.600 Yeah. That's amazing. Thank you so much. I'm so jealous. For Thanksgiving, my boyfriend

00:08:02.320 and I made vegan mac and cheese because I was like feeling like homemaker-ish. I was

00:08:06.840 like, let's make some mac and cheese. Okay, wifey. Mind you, like my boyfriend's the one

00:08:11.720 who cooks. Like I don't like cooking typically. Okay. So he loves to cook. So he's like, you

00:08:16.680 just get out of my way. And I'm like, don't threaten me with a good time. I'll go sit and

00:08:21.780 wait. That's me. Anytime I go to her house and she's cooking, she's like, just actually,

00:08:25.980 can you just. You're actually making it take a lot longer. They like stand in the way of

00:08:30.440 like the silverware drawer, like something where I could just be so much faster if I

00:08:34.080 just do it myself right now. You can vibe over there. Yeah. You sit there and chat with

00:08:38.000 me from across the room. Oh, my God. Wait. There were a few vlogs just in the past where

00:08:43.340 people were like, Alicia, you have Remy wait on your hand and feet. She's constantly making

00:08:48.400 you drinks. And I'm like, no, that's her love language. And I'm doing my job. I'm just

00:08:53.580 vibing. But truly, she's like, here's your dinner. Here's a drink. And I'm like, thanks.

00:08:59.020 It really looks like that. I love it. Yeah. What's your sign? Aquarius. What about you,

00:09:04.720 Alicia? Aries. Love. What are you? I'm a Virgo. Oh, so you were really loving Beyonce's.

00:09:11.640 Oh, period. Oh, my God. Yeah. I felt I ascended. We never even talked about it on Pretty Basic,

00:09:16.200 really. Oh, my God. The experience. Oh, my gosh. Of the birthday show. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.

00:09:21.480 When she said your name's in the car. No, like I refuse to think it's AI. I refuse. I think

00:09:26.380 she did it. I honestly asked the people on the team and they said it's not. That's okay.

00:09:30.900 And I don't think they would lie to me. I don't think they would either. I really don't.

00:09:34.260 Like thinking about the Renaissance movie, how involved she is. That's what I mean. I

00:09:38.200 think she would go to the booth just to do that. Yeah. Like what I really think she did

00:09:45.800 was I think she recorded just like our names. Yes. Hi. Yeah. Whatever. And then she did one

00:09:50.540 sentence and then they just stitched them. Which is fine. I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:09:54.140 Don't care. Don't give a shit. Don't care at all. When I asked, I was like, is it AI?

00:09:58.580 If it is, I will kill myself. But like, no, but like, it's not. It's not. It's not. She

00:10:02.360 could call me the wrong name and it'd be okay. I wouldn't give a shit. She could say Alicia.

00:10:05.460 I'd be like, yep. I'm changing it right now. Yes. That was an incredible experience. Amazing.

00:10:13.580 We would have never dreamt in our life ever. Right. But that would happen. Same. I just

00:10:18.840 can't get over the food as like a foodie. They had a tomahawk steak. Yeah. For you

00:10:23.800 guys. And Tiffany necklaces. Did you get a necklace? I sure did girl. Oh my God. The

00:10:29.780 sushi, the food, the food, the experience, everything. Like I've never been happier to

00:10:35.060 be a plus one in my life. Just happy to hold bags and take pictures. I had one. Your sister

00:10:42.520 and I hung out the whole night. It was great. It was so fun. I just think like she, I've

00:10:49.140 never gotten to see her live. So like, that was like a new experience for me. Uh, because

00:10:53.520 every time she went on tour, I was a brokie. So I like, I didn't have enough money, but

00:10:56.400 I would just watch it on YouTube or something. Oh yeah. I was even joking about this a while

00:11:00.640 ago where I was talking about when lemonade came out, you know how like she put it on title

00:11:04.400 and that was the only way you could listen to it. I literally overdrafted my bank account

00:11:08.720 because I paid for title and I refused to not pay for it anymore because I wanted to

00:11:12.640 keep listening to it. With like $0 in my bank account. I was like, don't give a shit.

00:11:18.100 And you had to go to her show. I sure did. Did you tell her team that? No, I didn't. You have to send them that clip. Oh my God. Maybe they'll pay you back for that. Like they'll give you a gift card for you. It's okay. Just let her meet me and I'll forgive you.

00:11:29.580 That's true. Your choice. Once a black. Yeah. I was like, I overdrafted my account. My mom called me and was like, did you pay for something called title?

00:11:38.720 And I was like, and you, it's fraud. You don't understand. I was like, it was fraud. I just keep the charge.

00:11:46.600 After you record it on like a, like a voice recorder. I was like genuinely looking at it. I was like, oh, I don't have $25.

00:11:54.360 Oh, it's 25 bucks a month. It was, it was for the initial launch. That is a lot. That is steep. Oh my God. Either way, whatever it was, it wasn't a hundred dollars. It was far less than that. And I didn't even have that. And I was like, fuck it.

00:12:07.720 Oh, and then I got to go see her. Did you have a moment when you were watching?

00:12:11.060 I think the first time I saw her, cause I saw her two days before that. Like I went on September 2nd. Um, when I watched her, then I was like genuinely in tears. Cause I was like, could not believe I got to see her. Then going with the birthday show with like a completely different experience. It was like surreal.

00:12:26.600 Yeah. Incredible. You can't pay for that show. Like the experience that you guys had was insane.

00:12:30.980 Oh, it was insane. And you guys didn't talk about it on pretty basic, but you all had a blast too.

00:12:35.280 Oh my God. We meant to. And then the, I think we had like a few guest episodes and by the time we would have talked about it, it was like a month later and we're like, okay, now it's, well, I mean, now it's been like damn near a year later, but it's okay.

00:12:44.980 It feels like it.

00:12:45.980 It does feel like it literally went three months ago. But yeah. Yeah. Like, so yeah. Early. Yeah. About three months, even like, um, and this is off topic, but not really the last time before that I saw you guys at an event was that billboard women in music.

00:12:58.760 I like, I wasn't going to bring it up, but like, yeah, that's when Lana Del Rey shouted you guys out. Yes. That's crazy.

00:13:05.660 The day that we've referenced 50 times a day since March 1st. Yes.

00:13:09.380 The fact that she announced it in her thank you speech is crazy. No. Insane. Insane. It was so fun. Like it was wild because we had that experience outside by the doors where we were just waiting for our best friend who's her number one super fan to just like get a photo of her. Maybe a selfie. Maybe if he got lucky. And then we had this whole experience outside and then we were like the whole show just pinching each other, her and Ollie.

00:13:36.080 I've never felt such a high in my life. And you probably never will. I don't think I ever will.

00:13:42.000 Like my, like the proposal, like when my fiance proposed, it was obviously so beautiful. Nothing will even come close to that moment of Lana because it was so unexpected.

00:13:51.640 Yeah. It was so different. It was so different. And I love Cal so much, but like it just, I will never feel that way again. Honestly, like so truly surprised in my life.

00:13:59.960 Um, and then to have her say our names in the speech and then everybody else validate what we felt like.

00:14:07.880 And she's just, she's so talented. Like I couldn't picture, like I just, I can't. What did she tell you guys when you guys got to talk to her for a little?

00:14:15.180 So she, well, she was saying, she was like, I love Cal. And then, so I think Cal's okay with it because she said that.

00:14:21.360 He's like, Hey, same for me.

00:14:22.700 She was so nice. She was like, she just said like all little individual things to each of us.

00:14:27.400 I feel like to show us that she does watch, like, you know, when you meet someone, you're like, oh my God, I know this and I know that.

00:14:31.920 So it was like cute little like moments like that. She loved Alicia's bangs.

00:14:35.020 Oh my God. I can never get rid of that.

00:14:36.820 She loved it all.

00:14:37.740 Girl, now I'm married to the bangs forever.

00:14:39.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:39.940 You can never stop them.

00:14:41.220 It's true.

00:14:41.520 Lana likes them.

00:14:42.420 I'm going to have them.

00:14:42.840 It's true.

00:14:43.500 She's so nice though. And she followed us after and like has messaged us sometimes.

00:14:47.800 I know her saying that you guys got her through COVID. That's kooky.

00:14:51.200 My favorite was like, if you were in our suite, it was dead quiet. Like no one got it.

00:14:56.540 But like our suite, we were like, Brittany Brodsky, hilarious.

00:15:00.840 Screaming.

00:15:01.180 Screaming.

00:15:01.760 But you know, anyone else in the audience, like, oh my God, says, like, they're probably like, what?

00:15:09.240 They were like, yeah.

00:15:11.060 Yeah.

00:15:11.340 That's great.

00:15:12.280 Yeah.

00:15:12.500 I never thought about it from that perspective.

00:15:15.880 That's so true.

00:15:16.920 We were all fired up for you.

00:15:18.440 It was so like, true.

00:15:19.440 I'm glad we had that communal experience together.

00:15:21.660 Absolutely.

00:15:22.240 Yeah.

00:15:22.580 That was insane.

00:15:24.060 I was like, when I heard Remy and Alicia, I was like, is she talking about this?

00:15:27.580 Yeah.

00:15:28.400 That one behind me.

00:15:30.380 Who there?

00:15:31.380 Crazy.

00:15:31.680 No, that was amazing.

00:15:32.480 And truly, um, we'll go down in our life.

00:15:35.040 Like that would go in our, like autobiography.

00:15:38.040 Yeah.

00:15:38.260 Truly like it would.

00:15:39.160 It would.

00:15:39.480 It has to.

00:15:40.600 I'm just so happy.

00:15:41.760 She's finally like getting recognition that she's always deserved.

00:15:44.840 Like, I'm really, really, really hoping she plays at Coachella.

00:15:47.940 Like I, she's such a festival girl.

00:15:49.720 Like she needs.

00:15:50.820 That's true.

00:15:51.420 That needs to happen.

00:15:51.680 She needs to headline it.

00:15:53.240 Like she is.

00:15:54.120 She invented Coachella.

00:15:56.060 She did.

00:15:56.520 She really did.

00:15:57.500 Her and Vanessa Hudgens.

00:15:58.680 Yes.

00:15:59.180 Lara Crown.

00:15:59.580 Yes.

00:16:00.700 Inevitably.

00:16:01.060 Okay.

00:16:02.840 So speaking of this, like one of the peaks of your guys' career, you guys have been on

00:16:06.640 social media for a while.

00:16:07.820 So like, how did you guys get started respectively?

00:16:10.480 And then how did you guys start working together?

00:16:12.720 Take it away.

00:16:15.000 We started like over 10 years ago, like before you could even make thumbnails, before you could

00:16:22.640 even make money.

00:16:24.060 I remember being so confused because people started having thumbnails.

00:16:28.140 I was like, how are they doing it?

00:16:29.100 But they figured out the hack of exactly halfway through your video, that would be a screenshot

00:16:33.600 for a thumbnail option.

00:16:34.940 I know it took me forever, which obviously now you're just finding out.

00:16:37.880 I never did it because I'd fight like it took me way too long to figure it out.

00:16:40.800 I wish I didn't have to pick a thumbnail.

00:16:42.140 That's so much more work.

00:16:43.200 It was just like, remember, like you couldn't.

00:16:45.540 I even got denied from like the YouTube partner program because you had to apply and they're

00:16:49.820 like, sorry, your videos suck.

00:16:51.300 And I was like, oh no.

00:16:52.400 So I had to wait six more months to like reapply because that's the only way you could get paid.

00:16:56.580 And I remember begging my parents to let me do it.

00:16:58.980 But they were convinced it was a scam because you had to like give your social security

00:17:02.240 to get paid.

00:17:03.660 That was before like online shopping too.

00:17:05.680 My parents were so apprehensive about online shopping in the beginning.

00:17:09.460 Yes.

00:17:09.740 It's true.

00:17:10.540 They're like, absolutely not.

00:17:11.440 This is a scam.

00:17:12.280 And then she started with college and dorm and stuff, right?

00:17:15.540 Yeah.

00:17:15.760 I went to college.

00:17:16.840 I started it in high school and then went to college and then really pivoted all my content

00:17:21.440 to like, yeah, moving into the dorms.

00:17:22.800 I went to UCR, who said our side and had my experience there, had a kleptomaniac roommate.

00:17:30.160 It was this big thing.

00:17:31.940 And then through doing all of that, my channel started to kind of grow.

00:17:35.600 And then I reached like a point where I was like, I really would rather do YouTube than

00:17:38.560 go to school right now.

00:17:39.540 And I could see, but like people weren't really doing YouTube full time at that point

00:17:42.660 yet.

00:17:42.920 No.

00:17:43.060 And so I sat my parents down and I was like, I really want to do this.

00:17:47.480 Like, please let me try.

00:17:48.400 And they're like, okay, take one year, do it.

00:17:51.000 If it works out great.

00:17:52.400 And if it doesn't just go back to school.

00:17:53.940 That's cool.

00:17:54.480 And I got to live out with like my sorority sisters.

00:17:57.140 I had like the best year of my life, honestly, like making YouTube videos, hanging out with

00:17:59.980 my friends.

00:18:00.700 And then my channel kind of blew up at that time and I was able to move out to LA.

00:18:05.000 How exciting.

00:18:06.280 Meanwhile, I'm over here filming back to school videos.

00:18:09.100 I remember you're back to school videos.

00:18:10.560 That was the only thing that like made my channel grow.

00:18:13.860 Cause I think the first four or five years, it really didn't grow.

00:18:16.020 And then I was like, wow, back to school.

00:18:17.460 Okay.

00:18:18.400 My whole identity.

00:18:19.200 Cause it was a moment on YouTube.

00:18:20.560 Oh, I milked the shit out of that while you were partying in college.

00:18:24.940 Just picture me doing DIY locker, DIYing your locker.

00:18:29.620 And it looked like shit in person.

00:18:31.480 Taking a room in her house and filling it with desks and lockers.

00:18:34.540 Truly.

00:18:35.320 I made a set.

00:18:37.600 And I don't regret it.

00:18:39.400 No.

00:18:39.640 I would have done that.

00:18:41.260 It worked out.

00:18:42.280 Thank God.

00:18:42.560 I regret it.

00:18:43.000 You know, we, we were a little bit of a late bloomer for obvious reasons.

00:18:47.800 We just had one of our best friends on the podcast.

00:18:50.300 One of my best friends from like elementary school who got to meet her along our journeys

00:18:54.140 together.

00:18:55.060 And it was so funny because we were talking about our first impressions and I didn't even

00:18:58.180 know this was his first impression of her, but we were all like in our little party

00:19:01.820 phase that I mentioned earlier and we were going out and he met Alicia and I was like,

00:19:05.500 you're going to love her.

00:19:06.040 She's so cool.

00:19:06.580 She's so nice.

00:19:07.160 And when he met her, you know, she comes like, we're going out to the bars and she's

00:19:10.140 got like this, like all leather outfit on, like looks really hot, like was like stunting

00:19:14.000 with her Bob, ass Bob.

00:19:16.260 And we're like hanging out.

00:19:17.680 We were like having so much fun.

00:19:19.220 And then when she left, I was like, oh my God, you need to check out her channel.

00:19:22.720 She's also a YouTuber.

00:19:23.580 And he said he went home and looked it up and he was like, he thought she was so cool

00:19:27.180 and like suave and just like sexy.

00:19:29.320 He gets home and he's like, oh, this girl's making back to school videos.

00:19:32.500 It was like something's not clicking.

00:19:34.740 It was like that is not the same person.

00:19:35.520 Something's not clicking.

00:19:36.780 But it was things is not like the other.

00:19:38.360 The duality really was impressive.

00:19:40.200 It was.

00:19:40.860 The duality of man.

00:19:41.900 Yeah.

00:19:42.680 Yeah.

00:19:43.300 But I mean, around that time is when we just started having so much fun.

00:19:47.440 And one time we were at dinner with our agent at the time, we're telling a story, a crazy

00:19:51.700 dating story where she's like climbing over a wall to get into his apartment.

00:19:55.620 And literally he stops us and make conversation and goes, you guys need a podcast.

00:19:59.380 Like this is hilarious.

00:20:00.960 Your banter is hilarious.

00:20:02.320 This was 2018.

00:20:04.280 2018.

00:20:04.860 Yeah.

00:20:04.940 So like podcasts were new, but not what they are now.

00:20:08.360 I mean, like crime junkie and stuff.

00:20:10.280 Yeah.

00:20:10.620 Like everything.

00:20:11.200 Yeah.

00:20:11.640 Like it was established.

00:20:12.560 Yeah.

00:20:12.680 It's very common.

00:20:13.560 Yeah.

00:20:13.920 Yeah.

00:20:14.160 Especially after COVID.

00:20:15.420 Exactly.

00:20:15.800 And we had just been newer best friends, but the, I mean, the podcast was kind of like

00:20:20.320 the baby of our friendship anyway.

00:20:22.400 Yeah.

00:20:22.820 But I remember your back to school videos and I remember your videos when you first moved

00:20:27.580 into your home.

00:20:28.840 Oh my God.

00:20:29.360 Oh, the COVID vlogs.

00:20:30.700 Yeah.

00:20:30.760 Your COVID vlogs.

00:20:31.520 Yes.

00:20:31.760 I remember them so, so distinctly.

00:20:33.780 Thank you for watching.

00:20:34.760 I was like, y'all got me through COVID too.

00:20:36.320 I know it doesn't mean as much as Lana, but are you kidding?

00:20:39.200 It means the same.

00:20:40.100 I'm having another moment right now, actually.

00:20:42.700 Take that, Cal.

00:20:43.580 Yeah.

00:20:44.440 I just passed you up too.

00:20:45.500 Take it, Cal.

00:20:48.180 So like, when did you guys, like, I'm sure you guys both had the moments separately and

00:20:52.920 then you probably had it together.

00:20:53.920 But like, when did you guys feel like, like shit, this is like really a thing.

00:20:57.700 Like whether it was like an event or an opportunity or maybe it's just like money or being self

00:21:03.460 sustaining, whatever it may be.

00:21:06.160 I feel like every creator has like a moment where they're kind of like, damn, I think this

00:21:09.300 is like for real.

00:21:10.020 I think for me, I don't know if I had like an aha moment, like I, like I stopped in my

00:21:13.640 tracks and thought about it, but I do think that year that I, that my parents gave me

00:21:18.740 to really try.

00:21:19.900 I, it taught me so much about my own work ethic and set me up for what my work ethic

00:21:23.820 now that I did not have at school at all.

00:21:27.040 So truly, I think like that, just having a passion for something drove me to actually

00:21:31.100 want to give myself structure and schedule.

00:21:33.720 What do you need in a job like this?

00:21:35.380 You didn't even know it.

00:21:36.400 I didn't know that at the time.

00:21:37.940 Um, I think it was just like when I first moved to LA, I remember like moving to my

00:21:41.120 first apartment on my own after working that whole year, uh, or the years prior and then

00:21:45.360 especially that year and then having that door closed when my parents left and being

00:21:48.400 like, okay, I'm on my own.

00:21:50.060 Like I have to make this work now.

00:21:51.400 I think that was like my big moment and the lot of thing again.

00:21:56.700 I was going to say similarly, like the dropping out of college was such a monumental moment

00:22:01.360 for me, especially because that's so unlike my personality.

00:22:04.500 I literally went from being on the Dean's list to getting like on academic probation because

00:22:09.120 I just stopped caring about school because YouTube was like taking off, like all of my

00:22:13.160 attention, all of my energy, passion, everything went to making back to school videos and

00:22:20.040 DIY snacks.

00:22:21.800 But, um, it was just, it was so interesting.

00:22:25.000 So I think when I even presented it to my parents, they were so supportive, but both

00:22:29.440 of them also like don't have their college degree.

00:22:31.500 My mom's a drummer and like a musician and they understand the arts a lot, but they always

00:22:36.080 have said like, we know your personality.

00:22:37.500 You do everything a hundred percent.

00:22:39.160 So if you ever want to go back to school, we know you will.

00:22:41.360 And you know, let's just see where this goes.

00:22:43.620 And they've been so support.

00:22:44.480 I'm so great.

00:22:45.000 Like we have it lucky.

00:22:46.200 I feel like our parents have been really supportive, especially then.

00:22:48.680 Um, I know when it was so new, like what it is not stable at all.

00:22:54.060 Yeah.

00:22:54.220 Like so new and foreign and like not talked about like in a legitimate sense.

00:23:00.280 Oh my God.

00:23:00.600 Even the other day I was in a, I was in a car and I was driving and I look and this

00:23:04.220 girl's like having her friend get outfit photos of her against a wall.

00:23:07.140 And I was like, it's just crazy.

00:23:08.920 We were in Miami.

00:23:09.660 I was like, it's crazy how that's just everywhere.

00:23:11.660 And it's so normal because before we would get looks, we would get people like, what are

00:23:15.720 you doing?

00:23:16.320 Like it was so different, but I love it.

00:23:18.380 I love how now anyone can do anything and your life can truly change overnight, which

00:23:21.600 I feel like that's, you do a D.

00:23:23.820 It sure can girl.

00:23:25.180 Let me tell you.

00:23:25.700 Like we look up to creators who have like, cause we were slow and steady.

00:23:29.440 Like we never had that over.

00:23:30.640 I don't think I could handle it.

00:23:31.800 I wouldn't be able to.

00:23:32.640 I truly don't think I could handle it.

00:23:33.860 Yeah.

00:23:34.300 Yeah.

00:23:34.520 It was, I feel like, especially with the introduction of TikTok, which is my next question for you

00:23:38.360 guys, like, cause you guys are OG YouTubers, like, have you guys seen that the, the, whether

00:23:43.820 it's like business opportunity or just like the industry as a whole has like shifted drastically

00:23:48.200 since like short form content has kind of become like a new thing.

00:23:51.900 Like, cause obviously long form was, was the thing for a long time.

00:23:55.100 Yeah.

00:23:55.420 And now it's like, everyone's kind of like shift, like almost broadened their perspective

00:23:59.720 to include short form now too.

00:24:01.700 Yeah.

00:24:02.120 It's like, have you guys seen a huge difference or is it more so just like day and night?

00:24:05.860 Yeah.

00:24:06.200 It's like everything just kind of churns immediately.

00:24:09.380 It's since, I mean, I would say most of, at least my brand deals right now too, are more

00:24:13.480 like vertical and short form, which is aside from the podcast, but even that change is crazy

00:24:19.000 to me.

00:24:19.440 You know, like, um, that's, I don't know, everything's so weird, but the industry too, just, they

00:24:25.660 kind of follow what they think is hot.

00:24:28.280 Everything always comes back full circle.

00:24:30.040 And now I feel like podcasts reminds me of old YouTube.

00:24:32.820 Like it's long.

00:24:33.900 It's just, you sit down and talk.

00:24:35.860 Yeah.

00:24:36.260 You know?

00:24:36.660 So it's like the new version of a story time.

00:24:39.880 Yeah.

00:24:40.240 Yeah.

00:24:41.280 You're so right.

00:24:41.680 Also, TikTokers reminded me of when all the Vine stars came over to YouTube.

00:24:45.520 That was the first, like, the world is shook.

00:24:48.460 Like we're shaking things up when so many new creators came and that was like the first monumental

00:24:54.800 moment.

00:24:55.340 And then TikTok starting, it was just so interesting seeing people blow up overnight.

00:24:59.120 And then seeing now who's been able to stick around this long and like evolve their brands.

00:25:04.120 Like that's, it's just so interesting.

00:25:05.820 Yeah.

00:25:06.220 Yeah.

00:25:06.620 I think, um, I have so many thoughts.

00:25:08.940 I agree with what you said.

00:25:10.640 I also think kind of like TikTok at its peak reminded me when YouTube was at its peak.

00:25:16.320 Like when we were doing lifestyle, well, we still are, but back when it was like pop and

00:25:21.500 pop in and like, we were going to like Bora Bora on brand trips and things like that was

00:25:24.660 kind of like, it became the norm for a little bit of like, that was kind of the, the flow

00:25:29.420 of how brands are working with YouTubers.

00:25:31.160 And then there was obviously COVID.

00:25:32.700 So it kind of took a, there was a lull.

00:25:34.160 And then I remember when Tart took all the TikTokers to Dubai and TikTok blew up.

00:25:38.820 And obviously that was just like a really crazy experience in general.

00:25:41.700 But when we were sitting at home watching it, I was like, well, this is like, again,

00:25:45.100 it's like a trend recycling.

00:25:46.640 Yeah.

00:25:46.980 Um, but obviously like a lot of people hadn't been around for that time at YouTube, which

00:25:50.980 was really funny.

00:25:52.160 Um, so now they're like seeing it now and they're like, wow, that's crazy.

00:25:55.160 But they've been doing it for years.

00:25:57.180 It was just with a different platform.

00:25:59.460 Exactly.

00:25:59.820 And I do think a lot of like, um, it's cool to see all the TikTokers get so many cool opportunities.

00:26:05.580 Like, um, I mean, everything, I feel like TikTokers are at every, um, premiere, every

00:26:10.940 event, every, like everything.

00:26:12.660 And I think it's really cool to see as people who were around digital for so long when it

00:26:17.080 wasn't acknowledged and when traditional media, like we were begging people to understand

00:26:22.840 like brands or anyone just to understand the gravity of it.

00:26:26.900 Like, yeah.

00:26:27.140 Like what, like the, the amount of times we've had to educate people.

00:26:29.560 They're like, what are you, uh, like what, so what is, Oh, you can make money that like

00:26:32.660 and now it's just a well-known thing.

00:26:35.840 Like everyone understands that it can be a full-time job and it can be a really hard for

00:26:40.780 your mental health.

00:26:41.300 Like there's a lot of things that I feel like now before people just truly didn't understand

00:26:46.140 and some still don't.

00:26:46.980 But overall, even brands are accepting that social media stars aren't going anywhere, you

00:26:52.820 know?

00:26:52.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:53.900 That was going to be another question I had for you guys as far as like, because you guys

00:26:57.280 were on the, the, like the, the front lines of it.

00:27:00.200 Like when, when it was becoming a thing to be an influencer, cause like there was no word

00:27:04.360 for it back then.

00:27:05.320 And it was kind of like, I just make videos, I make videos online kind of deal.

00:27:10.220 Um, I was curious, like if it was really, really hard in the beginning to like get people

00:27:14.180 to like take you seriously.

00:27:15.980 Cause even now it's a little difficult sometimes now.

00:27:18.440 And now it's like so commonplace, like for everyone, people could be an influencer, they

00:27:22.300 could make TikTok videos, make money or whatever.

00:27:24.520 So sometimes when I struggle with that now, I think about like how hard it must've been

00:27:28.840 back then.

00:27:30.120 No, I swear.

00:27:31.320 It's like, it's a good thing.

00:27:32.760 It's a, it's something that will help your business.

00:27:35.760 Yeah.

00:27:35.860 Having to like pitch yourself.

00:27:37.400 Selling power, all the things for sure.

00:27:39.060 Yeah.

00:27:39.480 Um, definitely.

00:27:41.000 I mean, I think of, uh, I, I, I think there will always be a divide between traditional and

00:27:46.520 digital, whatever falls under the digital realm.

00:27:49.500 Um, but I like, I think that it comes down to like antiquated ideas.

00:27:54.200 And then even like for me personally, I remember seeing an, uh, an interview that Jennifer

00:27:59.420 Aniston did like a while ago.

00:28:00.940 Do you remember that one where she was talking about how something along the, that digital

00:28:05.260 influencers don't bring any sort of anything to the table or something along those lines.

00:28:08.820 Exactly.

00:28:09.820 Um, but wait, she said that.

00:28:13.000 Yeah.

00:28:13.940 Oh, it's okay though.

00:28:14.980 Cause she's not, she's, she just made her Instagram and we all know she doesn't run it.

00:28:18.980 You know what I mean?

00:28:19.700 We all know she doesn't run it.

00:28:21.120 It's okay.

00:28:21.740 We get it.

00:28:22.320 I, I do think, yeah, uh, back in the day, I also, we were around the time when, again,

00:28:27.600 we're aging ourselves when all YouTubers started to try to be, whether it was a singer or try

00:28:33.740 to be an actor.

00:28:34.260 Oh my God.

00:28:34.720 Something, no, it was almost embarrassing to say you wanted to be a content creator.

00:28:37.880 Like everyone, everyone had this, sorry, I interrupted you.

00:28:40.220 Everyone had the same like phrase they would say.

00:28:43.180 They'd be like, yeah, YouTube's just a stepping stone to my real career as an actress or a YouTube

00:28:47.040 or not YouTuber or actress or musician or whatever.

00:28:49.880 And I feel like we never felt that way.

00:28:52.740 Um, did you?

00:28:54.500 Someone here did go on auditions.

00:28:56.560 Oh, I mean, I, oh, we did it.

00:28:59.480 We did the damn thing.

00:29:00.340 Don't get me wrong.

00:29:01.040 I did do that.

00:29:01.580 I did audition for Baby Shark the movie.

00:29:03.260 I just replied my vlog on today.

00:29:05.100 But like, it's true.

00:29:06.300 Like we never went into this or even when it was like a big thing and so many agents were

00:29:10.440 coming to us being like, do you want to do this acting?

00:29:12.040 Do you want to do these like, um, acting classes?

00:29:14.020 Do you want to do this?

00:29:14.600 Like that was never our intention, nor did we actually want to do it.

00:29:17.460 Or even embarrassed of being like, no, I'm, I'm here to like ride the wave, however long

00:29:21.260 that is.

00:29:21.760 And surprisingly, like 15 years later, we're still on this surfboard.

00:29:25.640 Like we're fine.

00:29:26.300 Thank God.

00:29:26.680 Um, I also will say what's interesting though, back then, if people or brands did understand

00:29:32.260 it, it was almost a little easier than now because I feel like none of them had been

00:29:36.580 burned yet.

00:29:37.600 Oh, that's true.

00:29:38.320 So now I feel like a lot of brands are like hesitant because they're like, well, we've

00:29:42.020 worked with influencers before.

00:29:43.260 And I'm like, no, you worked with one who maybe you, it, for whatever reason, it didn't

00:29:47.840 help you.

00:29:48.200 It didn't sell product or whatever the case is.

00:29:50.200 Um, so that's kind of been something harder.

00:29:51.920 I would say more recently of like trying to convince the brands, like I'm so, you know,

00:29:56.680 aware that like maybe you had a bad experience, but that's not every single content creator

00:30:02.500 out there, you know?

00:30:03.140 Um, and then also now there's just so many creators where before it felt like brands would

00:30:07.800 have to find us.

00:30:09.600 So in a way I would say we had more deals presented to us then where now, because, which

00:30:14.420 honestly, I love that there's so many creators and it's more niche, you know?

00:30:18.900 That's T, yeah, that's honestly T.

00:30:20.300 Yeah.

00:30:20.640 So now it feels like less deals are presented.

00:30:23.300 However, when you have the right ones, they fit so much better.

00:30:26.460 I feel like now we've been working with brands who we literally have used every single

00:30:30.300 day or like, it's more genuine in a way, I guess.

00:30:33.040 Yeah.

00:30:33.300 Cause it's more targeted.

00:30:34.800 Yeah.

00:30:35.180 Yeah.

00:30:35.460 I feel like also too, by that measure, it's like, you don't get pigeonholed as easy to

00:30:41.080 like you did back in the day.

00:30:42.080 Like if you made beauty videos, like that was your thing.

00:30:44.940 So like doing anything outside of beauty didn't really make sense back then.

00:30:48.500 Yeah.

00:30:48.740 And I talked to Jackie Aina about that a little bit too.

00:30:50.700 Cause she was like, yeah, I mean, I do beauty, but that's not what I want to do forever.

00:30:54.340 Like that's not the only interest I have.

00:30:56.680 And that's probably easier now, now that you can like, you're just like, I just have a

00:31:01.640 platform and I can, I have lots of interests.

00:31:04.560 I can do makeup, skincare, hair.

00:31:06.260 We got in that early luckily because there was the wave of when real makeup artists came

00:31:11.600 to YouTube and we quickly were like, okay, that's the only reason why we switched to

00:31:22.980 lifestyles.

00:31:23.620 Cause we're like, wow, we're not makeup artists.

00:31:25.660 Like you were a beauty guru.

00:31:27.540 Yes, exactly.

00:31:28.340 Being funny is very important.

00:31:31.240 Being funny.

00:31:33.760 That's such tea.

00:31:34.700 And that's a good point too, about the, the comment about traditional and digital, like

00:31:38.720 how the worlds can coexist, but it, some people on the traditional side resist mixing them.

00:31:45.120 Um, and I've talked about that before with other creators.

00:31:47.660 I feel like it's such a, like you said, an archaic way of looking at things, which is

00:31:52.340 like, oh, you know, these people are, are celebrities and these people are influencers, which I'm super

00:31:57.480 okay with.

00:31:57.800 You can call me a dickhead on the internet.

00:31:59.020 I don't care.

00:31:59.780 Like it is what it is.

00:32:01.120 You know what I mean?

00:32:01.560 Like I've, I've no shame in being a content creator at all.

00:32:05.280 Um, but it is frustrating though, to like try when you're in these new worlds now, like

00:32:10.360 when we go to the Beyonce show or like go to a movie premiere or go to like an award

00:32:14.300 show of any kind and feeling like you have to like prove yourself there.

00:32:18.600 Yeah.

00:32:18.760 And it's kind of like, girl, we're here for the same reasons.

00:32:20.840 Yeah.

00:32:21.160 And honestly, if I walked across that street to those fans and I asked them which one

00:32:24.540 of us they know.

00:32:25.700 Yeah.

00:32:26.120 That's why you invited me.

00:32:27.320 Yeah.

00:32:27.940 It's so true.

00:32:28.780 It was like, sometimes I make that joke.

00:32:30.220 I'm like, sometimes people or brands or companies will invite me to stuff and then

00:32:33.540 they're, they're going to hand me a tray and tell me to start serving.

00:32:36.020 I'm like, go ahead, go ahead and help out since you know, you're not, you're not a real

00:32:39.640 celebrity, but you are a dickhead.

00:32:41.440 I need you to post that you were here.

00:32:42.540 So people will come and see this with you.

00:32:43.900 But like also help out, will you?

00:32:45.820 Yeah.

00:32:46.020 I'll lay some cars while you're here.

00:32:48.000 They hand you keys.

00:32:48.880 You're like, the fuck?

00:32:50.980 You want to hear something so funny and random?

00:32:52.620 Oh my God.

00:32:53.180 Duh.

00:32:53.380 I got, I got like, um, interest.

00:32:55.840 Like I got an email to go to, um, Heidi Klum's Halloween party this year.

00:33:00.860 Iconic.

00:33:01.320 And so, um, I had been traveling nonstop for like two months and my team was like, do

00:33:05.380 you really want to do this?

00:33:06.420 Like, do you want to go back to New York?

00:33:07.420 I was like, yeah, yeah, I do.

00:33:09.180 Um, but at the time they were telling me that it was themed and I was like, her Halloween

00:33:14.880 party's never themed.

00:33:16.100 Yeah.

00:33:16.380 That's me never having gone.

00:33:17.600 I was like, that's not true.

00:33:19.080 I've never been there.

00:33:19.800 Best friends with Heidi.

00:33:20.720 Like she would never do that.

00:33:22.860 I don't know her.

00:33:23.460 I don't know her.

00:33:24.140 She doesn't know me.

00:33:25.040 Um, and they were telling me that I was going to have to dress up like as this very specific

00:33:29.380 person.

00:33:30.100 And I was like, okay, wait, what?

00:33:32.100 Who?

00:33:32.720 Right.

00:33:33.000 They were telling me it was supposed to be for the new Wonka movie, right?

00:33:36.600 With Timothee Chalamet.

00:33:37.560 No.

00:33:37.960 Wait, no.

00:33:38.640 Yeah.

00:33:39.040 Like that was the theme.

00:33:40.500 But I think this was, this was before the SAG strike was ended.

00:33:43.240 So like, I think that's why it was kind of in limbo.

00:33:45.720 Oh, okay.

00:33:46.300 But they were telling me, if you want to go, you have to dress like him.

00:33:50.580 And I said, okay.

00:33:51.840 Like as Willy Wonka?

00:33:52.840 Yeah.

00:33:53.000 I was like, like as Willy Wonka or as Timothee Chalamet as Willy Wonka?

00:33:56.240 Because like, can I be any?

00:33:57.760 Those are two very different things.

00:33:58.580 Yeah.

00:33:58.600 I was like, can I be anyone else?

00:33:59.620 Johnny Depp.

00:34:00.380 Imagine.

00:34:00.880 They're like, you're the Ooppa Loopa.

00:34:03.380 I was like, can I be anyone else from the movie or does it have to be him?

00:34:07.420 And they were like, no, it has to be him because the other people aren't in the movie because

00:34:11.460 it's about his origin story or whatever.

00:34:13.860 Wait, I didn't even know that.

00:34:15.140 Yeah.

00:34:15.340 So I'm assuming, I don't know.

00:34:16.860 That's just kind of the loose.

00:34:17.940 And I was like, okay.

00:34:19.620 And then I was thinking, okay.

00:34:20.920 I'm thinking about like myself.

00:34:22.360 I'm thinking, I'm going to get photographed in a Getty image dressed like Timothee Chalamet.

00:34:26.240 Like, if I'm going to do it, like I wanted to do like the full like prosthetic ghostly

00:34:34.060 white, like I'm going to suck my cheekbones.

00:34:35.940 I'm like, you know what I'm saying?

00:34:37.440 Like that's, I was like, I'm going to do it.

00:34:38.680 If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it.

00:34:39.880 But then I was like, eh, I don't think I don't think I want to do that.

00:34:43.500 So I was like, no, it's okay.

00:34:45.380 And then I saw all these people that I knew went, there was no theme.

00:34:49.320 Everybody was, okay.

00:34:50.300 Everybody was dressed as cute, hot shit.

00:34:52.160 And then I remember I was literally watching and I was going, dude, what if they were

00:34:55.960 just playing a trick on me?

00:34:57.660 Imagine you were the only one.

00:34:58.260 What if I showed up dressed as him and they're like, who are you supposed to be?

00:35:01.380 Wait, did you get an answer?

00:35:02.580 Like why?

00:35:03.540 I was just like, pass.

00:35:04.480 Can you inquire?

00:35:06.160 Please.

00:35:06.960 Pass.

00:35:07.360 I was like, imagine.

00:35:08.260 I was like, okay, I'm busy.

00:35:09.780 I was like, imagine if they were just like playing a trick on me.

00:35:12.800 No, I'm like, were they wanting a free promo or something?

00:35:15.320 That's what I was like.

00:35:16.180 If I showed up dressed as Timothee Chalamet and all these bitches look hot, I'm pissed.

00:35:20.180 No, no, Timothee Chalamet as Willie Walker.

00:35:21.520 Maybe you're getting punked.

00:35:23.580 That's what I'm saying.

00:35:24.060 Like really, for real.

00:35:25.140 I was like, as seen as Willie Walker.

00:35:27.080 Yes.

00:35:27.740 I was like, dude, imagine I showed up.

00:35:29.300 I'd be mad.

00:35:30.300 I'd be mad.

00:35:30.960 I would get out of the car.

00:35:32.340 I'm pissed.

00:35:33.100 I would be so pissed.

00:35:34.040 I'm angry immediately.

00:35:35.180 I'm picturing you're gutty.

00:35:35.920 It's like stunning, stunning, stunning, stunning prosthetics.

00:35:38.760 I saw everybody else go and I was like, there is no bitch dressed as Willie Walker there.

00:35:43.640 I saw so many good characters.

00:35:44.880 Yeah.

00:35:45.560 Imagine he was submitted to Dumois like, oh, I heard it's going to be Willie Walker.

00:35:49.400 Oh my God, thanks.

00:35:51.020 Dude.

00:35:52.520 That's so funny.

00:35:53.880 And then I was literally laughing to myself because I was like, this job is such a joke

00:35:57.540 sometimes.

00:35:58.200 It is.

00:35:59.040 I'm such a fucking silly good.

00:35:59.580 Like, no wonder Jennifer Aniston hates us.

00:36:02.040 I get it.

00:36:03.820 I'm like, hey, I get it.

00:36:05.680 She's like, I get it.

00:36:06.840 This influencer came as Willie Wonka.

00:36:09.160 Dude.

00:36:09.640 For real.

00:36:10.200 They were like, this fucking asshole dressed up as silly.

00:36:12.860 Like, I did it to be a dick.

00:36:14.380 Yeah.

00:36:14.620 Like, I just did it to be a difficult.

00:36:17.340 I'm like, dude, can you imagine?

00:36:18.840 I was like, imagine they were just playing a trick on me.

00:36:20.520 That'd be crazy.

00:36:20.940 I can't believe you didn't get an answer.

00:36:22.300 Like, you were just going to go through life wondering.

00:36:24.620 Yeah.

00:36:25.060 I was just kind of like, well.

00:36:27.080 Following up.

00:36:28.100 I was like, well, wasn't meant to be, I guess.

00:36:30.660 See you next year, Heidi.

00:36:32.460 And then I saw Heidi was dressed up.

00:36:34.000 I was like, girl, what the fuck?

00:36:35.260 Was she dressed as?

00:36:35.980 I think she was a peacock.

00:36:37.440 Oh, okay.

00:36:39.120 I was like, oh, was there a peacock in Wonka?

00:36:40.700 Or was that just, was I the only one who got that email?

00:36:43.520 Didn't she make sizzle reel?

00:36:45.040 Yeah.

00:36:45.520 I was like, goddamn, that's crazy.

00:36:47.500 So I know what you mean.

00:36:48.980 Where it's like, it's so funny because you're like, you're relevant enough to be there,

00:36:53.880 but not relevant enough for them to treat you like you should be there.

00:36:57.240 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:57.860 Absolutely.

00:36:58.420 It's that weird, like, divide.

00:37:00.320 Yeah.

00:37:00.540 And I feel like it's so strange to adapt to.

00:37:03.200 It like has to do with, I think, like, so much other than like digital creators, like

00:37:08.320 people's perceptions of influencers, traditional media's perception of influencers, just kind

00:37:15.040 of a culmination of everything not taking us seriously.

00:37:19.200 I agree.

00:37:19.560 And I do understand to a certain degree because there are a lot of vapid influencers who are

00:37:24.140 not great people who I think like give a bad name, but like that kind of goes for everything.

00:37:30.360 I was going to say, yeah, like any, any industry or like title in the industry or in the entertainment

00:37:36.720 industry as a whole, like an actor, a singer, a musician as a whole, anyone like you could

00:37:41.240 be like, oh, there are people who suck in those industries too.

00:37:44.080 For sure.

00:37:44.580 But I totally get that because I feel like there are influencers too who have like kind

00:37:49.040 of given us a bad name.

00:37:50.580 So when you say you're like, I get it though.

00:37:53.060 Yeah.

00:37:53.140 I know.

00:37:53.720 I get it.

00:37:54.340 It's a terrible title.

00:37:55.500 Yeah.

00:37:55.880 I feel like the longer we've done it, this is going to sound so f***ing cliche, but just

00:38:00.900 being grateful we're still invited.

00:38:02.840 We're like, that I think has helped the ego side of it.

00:38:06.740 Totally.

00:38:07.100 Cause I always felt like I had to prove like, oh my God, no, like I, I'm legit.

00:38:11.300 I am creative.

00:38:11.960 I'm talented, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.

00:38:13.280 And the more that we're like, oh my God, we're still doing this thing.

00:38:16.480 Like, yeah, like that's really cool.

00:38:18.180 I feel like that's helped a lot.

00:38:19.760 Um, and then even this year, like we've had such awesome experiences, but I feel like we're

00:38:23.940 trying so much less than we ever have.

00:38:26.820 Yeah.

00:38:27.180 And I'm like, that's not a coincidence.

00:38:28.740 Yeah.

00:38:29.140 Like just happy to be here and like, we're just happy to be here.

00:38:32.660 Yeah.

00:38:32.840 Your gratefulness is probably why it's worked out.

00:38:35.160 Like honestly, cause it shines through, I think the authenticity is what people care

00:38:38.540 most about, especially your audience being loyal.

00:38:40.760 Cause I feel like you guys have such an, a loyal audience.

00:38:43.680 Oh my God.

00:38:44.060 We've grown up together.

00:38:44.740 Like, that's what's crazy.

00:38:45.940 People would be like, oh my God, I followed you when we were, when I was seven and now

00:38:48.720 I'm in college.

00:38:49.240 Like that's crazy.

00:38:51.460 Crazy.

00:38:52.140 You're also mean to tell me, I know I'm old.

00:38:54.700 Don't mention it anymore.

00:38:55.860 I also think like TikTok, I view TikTok and YouTube as two very different things because

00:39:00.700 I go to both for different purposes.

00:39:02.900 It's like TikTok, I go for brain rotting and to learn like quick little tips and like as

00:39:07.640 an, as a whatever.

00:39:09.540 And then YouTube, I go to, to keep up with people that I'm like personally invested in.

00:39:13.840 Like there are some TikTokers that I love who I am very invested in their lives who are,

00:39:17.300 who are willing to share.

00:39:18.240 But I do think people share a lot less on TikTok and it's more like, boom, boom, boom, boom,

00:39:21.680 boom.

00:39:21.900 Like this is how you do this.

00:39:22.840 This is the next, next trend.

00:39:23.920 Try this food, whatever.

00:39:25.220 And YouTube is much more because you have to talk for like 15, 20, 30 minutes.

00:39:29.340 It's like, this is what's happening in my life.

00:39:31.240 And I do think there are definitely TikTokers who have selling power for sure.

00:39:36.440 But I do think like YouTubers definitely have a lot more selling power because people are

00:39:39.900 much more invested in them.

00:39:41.260 Yeah.

00:39:41.420 And they've been around for a long time.

00:39:42.800 Yeah.

00:39:42.920 So the, the trust is there, I feel like.

00:39:45.000 Oh yeah.

00:39:45.380 And I feel like it's a lot easier to blow up on TikTok than it was on YouTube at any point,

00:39:50.740 even now.

00:39:51.460 Even now it's hard to build a platform on YouTube.

00:39:53.920 Oh yeah.

00:39:54.180 So I feel like TikTok, it's like, it can be overnight, but sustaining it is a lot harder.

00:39:59.620 For sure.

00:39:59.940 Oh yeah.

00:40:00.360 Like the views and the likes and the, just the, the obsession with you is, it's harder

00:40:04.620 because people are blowing up all the time.

00:40:06.540 So quickly.

00:40:07.300 Yeah.

00:40:07.720 Truly.

00:40:08.380 Like, and I will stand by this forever.

00:40:11.080 Like having that smaller loyal fan base over everything.

00:40:15.620 Like they're your family, they're, they're your best friends compared to millions of

00:40:20.460 empty views.

00:40:21.260 Like at the end of the day, it doesn't really mean much.

00:40:23.260 It doesn't, like 5 million views could be 10 million views and you still feel kind of

00:40:27.160 empty because you're like, okay, cool.

00:40:28.320 I got those.

00:40:28.940 But like now what?

00:40:30.760 Yeah.

00:40:31.180 And I've never felt so much more secure in my career, especially after starting the

00:40:35.640 podcast.

00:40:35.900 But I think a lot of that was feeling, being vulnerable and open with your audience.

00:40:39.120 Like you've done such a good job from taking your moment of fame and like riding

00:40:43.960 that wave and like trying new things and being like, no, I'm not just this person

00:40:48.240 on TikTok.

00:40:48.800 You know what I mean?

00:40:49.360 Like, and that's so important.

00:40:50.760 And I think a lot of creators don't have that.

00:40:52.780 So not having every, all of your eggs in like one basket, even if there's views on

00:40:57.220 YouTube or on TikTok, but not YouTube, it's like start that channel and like have

00:41:01.240 different things in case one does go away.

00:41:02.840 Cause everyone used to say that and no one believed it would happen.

00:41:05.600 But now after like 2020, everyone's like, Vine, everyone's like anything could happen.

00:41:11.380 So I think that like, who knows, maybe you'll just do your,

00:41:13.960 your podcast the rest of your life, you know, or like the next five years.

00:41:16.500 Yeah.

00:41:16.660 That's like truly, I mean, once I, it's so funny too, your guys is like timeframes.

00:41:21.100 You're like, okay, I'm going to give myself this much time.

00:41:22.920 I did the same thing.

00:41:24.020 Like, because when I got mine, like I was out of college, I had normal jobs.

00:41:28.680 Like I was a very normal person prior to this.

00:41:31.820 So when it kind of started rolling, I like told my parents, like, I think I really want

00:41:36.920 to try this, like just see what happens.

00:41:39.020 And then I was like, I just need, I want to try it for like six months and just see.

00:41:42.300 Yeah.

00:41:42.780 Cause I'm a Virgo.

00:41:43.580 So I need a plan and a year was too long for me.

00:41:45.860 So I was like, okay, I'm just going to do six months.

00:41:47.280 And then if it doesn't work, I'm going to go get it.

00:41:48.840 Yeah.

00:41:49.040 Yeah.

00:41:49.760 Yeah.

00:41:50.260 My parents were like, okay.

00:41:51.320 Yeah.

00:41:51.480 Like that's, that sounds good to me.

00:41:52.820 So it was like six months almost to the day is like when I got signed and I like got like

00:41:58.340 started, like it really kicked off.

00:42:00.400 And so I was like, okay, period, period.

00:42:02.940 I think more people need to do that.

00:42:04.300 I think having that motivation of like, if I don't succeed at this, I'm going to have

00:42:09.620 to go back to this.

00:42:10.940 Yeah.

00:42:11.280 I think that is what a lot of people don't.

00:42:13.700 I think a lot of people quit too soon with no plan.

00:42:17.060 Yeah.

00:42:17.440 And then they're kind of lost.

00:42:18.600 Cause it is, it's, you have to have a schedule for yourself.

00:42:21.300 You, it's never ending and you have to be very disciplined and if not like you get lost,

00:42:27.320 like you get eaten alive.

00:42:28.280 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:29.260 And it, and it overwhelms you like, um, the pressure of like likes and all that stuff

00:42:34.840 like starts to overwhelm you if you don't have consistency at all.

00:42:39.160 Um, which is what I told people when they're like, how did you do it?

00:42:41.600 I'm like, I don't know.

00:42:43.320 I posted a video every single day for like six months straight and then it just worked.

00:42:48.020 Cause I remember seeing other people be like, oh, I post like five, six times a day

00:42:50.980 or I post like 10 times a day.

00:42:52.220 And I was like, I don't have that in me.

00:42:54.080 Yeah.

00:42:54.360 Oh my God.

00:42:54.760 I don't have that at all.

00:42:55.700 We would post one video a week was good enough for YouTube.

00:42:58.280 So like when Tik TOK came around, we're like one a day and then people are like five

00:43:01.780 a day.

00:43:02.000 I'm like five a day.

00:43:03.400 I could not conceptualize doing more than one.

00:43:06.920 And I was like, I'm going to be realistic with myself one a day.

00:43:10.520 If I can, I was like, but at least three a week.

00:43:13.000 That's good though.

00:43:13.700 And you don't burn yourself out.

00:43:14.840 Yeah.

00:43:14.960 I gave myself some like measures.

00:43:17.060 Yeah.

00:43:17.400 And then once I started, once like men started really hating me, I was like, I made it.

00:43:21.920 I got video every day for you guys.

00:43:25.860 Oh, you will never run out of content.

00:43:28.860 Right.

00:43:29.480 Have you ever had like an in-person experience with someone coming up to you or is it only

00:43:33.580 online?

00:43:34.380 Like as far as men?

00:43:35.380 Yeah.

00:43:36.140 Um, no, I've never really had any, anyone in person.

00:43:40.260 Well, actually that's not true.

00:43:41.520 I, well, I had one guy say something to me, but it ironically, it was like, I was at Playlist

00:43:46.560 Live.

00:43:47.380 Oh, I went to Playlist Live and like, it's changed drastically.

00:43:55.320 I'm sure it has.

00:43:56.060 Oh my God.

00:43:56.400 I can't even imagine.

00:43:58.080 Oh my gosh.

00:43:58.520 I can't even imagine.

00:43:59.040 And I remember the first time I went to VidCon, the first time I went to Playlist was last

00:44:01.620 year.

00:44:02.120 And my sister and I, cause we're both old.

00:44:04.320 Um, we were both like, dude, this is crazy.

00:44:06.120 We used to watch people go to VidCon and Playlist all the time on YouTube.

00:44:08.820 Oh yeah.

00:44:09.400 Yeah.

00:44:09.540 We used to get, watch your eyes as well.

00:44:10.780 Oh my God.

00:44:11.600 I remember going, the last time I went was probably like 2018 maybe.

00:44:15.920 And I remember going up an escalator and these like, like teenage boys were running amok and

00:44:21.580 someone was like, oh, there's this new app called Musical.ly.

00:44:24.440 Like these Musical.ly boys are here.

00:44:25.960 And I was like, what is Musical.ly?

00:44:27.180 And I like, that stuck with me forever.

00:44:29.400 And then now obviously we know what it was, but yeah.

00:44:32.120 But yeah, I remember the, like the after parties that all the creators would go to.

00:44:35.760 Yeah.

00:44:36.140 It always felt like college because a lot of us didn't go to college.

00:44:39.220 And then one year overnight after Musical.ly, there's like eight year olds running around

00:44:42.620 and we were like, can you be here?

00:44:45.160 It's what I am.

00:44:46.360 Like what are you doing?

00:44:47.400 So different.

00:44:48.360 Vibes are so different.

00:44:49.080 And I remember at Playlist, I did a panel and, um, it was me.

00:44:53.960 Well, I was the only girl on the panel, but there was like three dudes that were like

00:44:58.300 longstanding YouTubers, I guess.

00:45:00.280 I've never heard of them.

00:45:01.540 And then it was three TikTokers and one of them was my friend.

00:45:04.840 One of them I just met that day.

00:45:06.300 Um, both really nice guys.

00:45:07.720 So like, do you guys know Coda Steven on TikTok?

00:45:11.180 You would love him.

00:45:11.760 He's so funny, but like he was my, he's my friend and we were both on the panel together.

00:45:15.240 And so, um, I remember the guy hosting it was also a YouTuber and they're like, when

00:45:20.900 I say old, I mean, for real, like they're like in their forties, they're, they're dads,

00:45:23.980 they have kids.

00:45:24.940 Um, and they're, they're kind of, yeah, they're kind of talking about their content.

00:45:28.760 And so like the moderator was very clearly, um, pro YouTube.

00:45:33.520 Like he was like, okay, like long form's the way.

00:45:36.380 And so he was kind of like skipping over us and not really talking to us.

00:45:39.800 Oh my gosh.

00:45:40.740 Um, to the point where I started getting annoyed.

00:45:42.940 And one thing I don't do is men being disrespectful.

00:45:45.440 Don't give a shit if I'm on a stage.

00:45:47.120 So I started getting annoyed because then they started talking shit on short form saying

00:45:51.060 it's like, it's never going to last.

00:45:52.760 I'm sitting right here.

00:45:54.080 I was like, can I have the mic please?

00:45:56.120 Yeah.

00:45:56.400 Thank you.

00:45:56.940 Like I was like, okay, my turn to talk.

00:45:58.360 So I started like kind of arguing with them, like on the stage, I would have paid to be

00:46:02.700 there.

00:46:03.580 Yeah.

00:46:03.940 And it was like getting tense and like awkward.

00:46:05.900 And I didn't give a fuck because I'm like, well, why is this panel?

00:46:09.700 Yeah.

00:46:09.840 I'm like, well, why don't we ask the audience, which one of us they know the most?

00:46:13.000 And then you tell me which one's better.

00:46:15.320 Also, you clearly have a seat there.

00:46:16.660 Like you are literally on stage.

00:46:19.060 And I remember saying too, I'm like, I mean, I'm not ever going to knock long form content

00:46:23.260 like on YouTube.

00:46:23.980 Like I grew up watching YouTube, so like I have such a love and admiration for long

00:46:28.540 form content, specifically YouTubers, because that's what I loved watching when I was younger.

00:46:33.200 So I was like, I mean, this is just a different thing.

00:46:35.500 It doesn't mean one's better than the other.

00:46:37.160 And it doesn't mean one's going to last longer than the other.

00:46:39.220 We really don't know.

00:46:40.600 And that guy didn't give a shit.

00:46:42.080 So like after that whole thing, it was awful in the sense that it was awkward and I wasn't

00:46:47.180 backing down and he didn't like me.

00:46:48.740 So the moderator, but he was a white guy with dreads.

00:46:51.140 So do with that what you will.

00:46:53.980 You know how like they take you to the amusement parks?

00:46:56.640 Yes.

00:46:57.060 After.

00:46:57.460 Yes.

00:46:58.360 When we went to the amusement park, that guy got kind of drunk and he like tried to confront

00:47:02.440 me.

00:47:02.960 Oh no.

00:47:03.620 Like the fucking VelociCoaster.

00:47:06.480 Why are you doing it there?

00:47:08.120 Like my life's going to flash before my eyes.

00:47:09.800 I don't want you to be the last thing I see.

00:47:12.860 Right.

00:47:13.080 So I was like, he tried to confront me there, like in a very antagonistic way.

00:47:19.000 And I was like, he was like, oh yeah.

00:47:21.300 He's like, he's like, Hey, is this your man?

00:47:23.980 Like to my boyfriend.

00:47:25.300 And I was like, yeah, it's my boyfriend.

00:47:27.780 And he was like, oh, he goes, well, I just kind of figured you wouldn't have one because,

00:47:31.600 you know, you fucking hate all of us.

00:47:33.960 And I said, I said, who's us?

00:47:36.000 I hate you.

00:47:38.900 And I was like, no, that's him.

00:47:40.920 And then, and then he was like, oh, well, he's like, yeah, you know what?

00:47:44.460 And he like shook his, my boyfriend's or tried to, he like reached out with that.

00:47:48.700 He's like, thanks for taking one for the team.

00:47:51.080 What the fuck?

00:47:52.340 Which is like me and his girlfriend.

00:47:54.140 I could tell his girlfriend or wife or whatever.

00:47:55.900 Like I could tell she was embarrassed and she was like, stop, stop.

00:47:58.660 Cause like he's up.

00:47:59.780 Like he's drunk.

00:48:00.840 And so, and I'm like, you're feeling brave, huh?

00:48:03.880 Feeling brave.

00:48:04.980 And I was like, it's funny because you guys think that my persona is an act.

00:48:10.080 It's not.

00:48:11.900 I hate to break it to you.

00:48:13.000 He said that shit and then turned around and got on the rollercoaster.

00:48:15.560 And I was like, we're leaving already.

00:48:17.180 You're just going to talk shit and leave.

00:48:19.140 And when he was closing his thing, I was like, hey, wait for me after the rollercoaster.

00:48:21.840 I'll finish the conversation with you after if you want to wait for me.

00:48:24.000 Make sure you wait for me after you go.

00:48:25.620 And he was like, and then shocker, he didn't wait for me.

00:48:28.620 The only time I've ever had a man like confront me like that.

00:48:31.880 But I'm also liquid courage though.

00:48:33.580 Girl, right.

00:48:34.480 And you guys know, I'm like, I'm, I'm not small.

00:48:37.320 Like I'm a big person.

00:48:38.320 So is my boyfriend.

00:48:39.120 So like, I think when they see me in real life, they're like, oh, okay.

00:48:44.600 I think that says a lot though, that no one has the balls to come up in person.

00:48:48.460 Speaking of though, have you guys, do you guys deal with a lot of hate?

00:48:52.020 Yes.

00:48:55.300 Yes.

00:48:55.900 Yes and no.

00:48:56.320 We have like amazing, super supportive audiences in a community.

00:49:00.780 Yeah.

00:49:01.520 But there's definitely people that don't like us for sure.

00:49:04.260 Absolutely.

00:49:04.760 I mean, that's just the livelihood of being on the internet.

00:49:06.940 Yeah.

00:49:07.540 Also, we're pretty, we're, we're sensitive girlies.

00:49:09.940 Oh yeah.

00:49:10.500 People pleasers.

00:49:11.520 I wish.

00:49:12.400 I wish.

00:49:14.060 I wish.

00:49:14.780 I like suck with confrontation.

00:49:16.940 I hate when people are mad at me.

00:49:18.300 I'm such a people pleaser.

00:49:19.220 I mean, we both are.

00:49:20.120 Yeah.

00:49:20.340 But like, I would, oh my God.

00:49:22.500 Like, I would truly love if I could be confronted like that and be like, sit down, bitch.

00:49:28.020 Yeah.

00:49:28.280 Like, I wish.

00:49:29.220 Yeah.

00:49:29.720 I couldn't.

00:49:30.220 Do you ever get affected at all?

00:49:32.700 Sorry, like now I'm interviewing you.

00:49:33.820 No, no, no.

00:49:34.140 You're totally fine.

00:49:35.420 I do too.

00:49:36.660 I think not in the way that I think people perceive, which is like when I get random hate

00:49:41.000 from ugly little men on the internet, that means nothing to me.

00:49:44.060 It does nothing for me.

00:49:45.360 If anything, it makes me laugh.

00:49:47.060 And it fosters my career.

00:49:48.380 So, I mean, it's their fault that I'm still doing this.

00:49:50.720 You're crying while getting your nails done.

00:49:52.200 Yeah.

00:49:52.800 It's their fault.

00:49:54.300 I think the only time it bothers me is when it's like people who love me and I feel like

00:49:57.740 they're perceiving me in a way that doesn't align with who I believe I am.

00:50:00.880 For sure.

00:50:01.540 That's really the only, and it's because I care.

00:50:03.420 Like I care about them and I care about uplifting them and empowering them.

00:50:07.160 So, if I feel like I've let them down, that's really the only time it bothers me.

00:50:10.300 I feel that.

00:50:10.840 When it's character stuff.

00:50:11.880 Exactly.

00:50:12.160 And it's like, oof, like that's not true.

00:50:14.920 But if you want to believe that, that's okay.

00:50:16.760 Yeah.

00:50:17.000 Like I can't change your mind.

00:50:18.220 Exactly.

00:50:18.340 That kind of thing.

00:50:19.280 But as far as like random hate, no, never.

00:50:21.920 Never in a million years.

00:50:22.820 Do you guys get hate from men a lot?

00:50:24.660 No.

00:50:25.240 I know I've hit like a different demographic.

00:50:27.940 I'm like, oh, we made the for you page.

00:50:29.700 Because I'm like, wait, you're having a couple of times.

00:50:32.080 You're so right.

00:50:32.700 Yeah.

00:50:32.760 We went super viral.

00:50:34.440 She went super viral for a clip on our pod where she was saying that she hit 30 and she

00:50:39.080 was like expecting men in their 30s to.

00:50:42.040 That's right.

00:50:42.740 Yeah.

00:50:43.120 I remember that clip.

00:50:44.080 To suddenly be like a lot more mature and it hit the wrong side of TikTok.

00:50:46.760 Our producer was like, yeah, it's getting a lot of hate.

00:50:49.200 And I was like, oh, that's good.

00:50:50.640 That's a good thing.

00:50:51.020 I was like, we made it.

00:50:51.880 That means it did really well.

00:50:53.260 I'm like, it got to that time.

00:50:53.540 Because you were saying they're just as immature, right?

00:50:55.880 Oh my God.

00:50:56.340 I was like, I just thought my whole 20s, I've always had people be like, you need a date in your

00:51:00.880 30s.

00:51:01.400 Like you're very successful.

00:51:02.720 Most guys in their 20s like aren't there mentally.

00:51:04.840 Like you need someone older.

00:51:06.360 Which is not a lie.

00:51:08.760 So.

00:51:09.480 So I turned 30, 30 in one day and I'm like, okay, we're ready.

00:51:14.480 And I was just saying how.

00:51:15.200 And I was, I wasn't anticipating how just because one men in their 30s, if they're single, it's

00:51:25.920 either a really good reason or a really bad reason.

00:51:27.480 I feel that.

00:51:28.020 But also like I'm single, so it's whatever.

00:51:29.740 But I was getting those types of comments where I'm like, oh, I didn't think about.

00:51:34.120 Now there's a lot of guys who like have commitment issues and yeah, they're single and successful, but there's a reason they're still going to the bar every night.

00:51:40.720 You know what I mean?

00:51:41.200 Like that is what I was saying.

00:51:42.940 And people didn't like it.

00:51:44.920 Who the fuck are you?

00:51:46.200 Yeah.

00:51:46.420 Like men getting fucking mad.

00:51:47.680 And you're like, are you single?

00:51:49.040 It's just funny when they.

00:51:50.080 Did I lie?

00:51:50.620 They try to insult like something so like small to it.

00:51:53.040 Like they try to find something to insult.

00:51:55.100 You know what I mean?

00:51:55.480 And what about you?

00:51:56.560 What about me, bitch?

00:51:57.340 We're both single.

00:51:58.940 Clearly for a reason.

00:52:00.460 So like what part of that was upsetting to hear?

00:52:02.860 No.

00:52:03.540 The part where you're like, men are awful.

00:52:06.460 When you just say that shit, they're like, and what about you?

00:52:09.940 You're like, there's no comeback.

00:52:11.340 Yeah.

00:52:11.520 I'm like, I mean, you probably think I'm awful too.

00:52:13.640 So it's kind of like when people call me ugly.

00:52:15.780 They're like, oh, you're ugly.

00:52:16.720 I'm like, well, so are you.

00:52:18.300 And then men are like, first of all, first of all, like they get pissed off at me.

00:52:24.600 I'm like, you just said I was ugly, which means you don't want to fuck me.

00:52:27.740 Thank God.

00:52:28.380 I don't want to fuck you either.

00:52:29.280 So like, thank God, we're on the same page.

00:52:32.060 We have a lot in common.

00:52:33.200 But I really feel like anything anyone says to you regarding that, all you have to do

00:52:38.420 is be like, I wouldn't have a career if this wasn't true.

00:52:41.860 Yeah, true.

00:52:42.940 Like, hello.

00:52:43.860 Like, you're here.

00:52:44.640 Well, I always think like, what are the odds that we're all wrong?

00:52:48.980 Like, what are the odds?

00:52:50.040 Like, statistically speaking, like, you all love stats.

00:52:52.860 So like, what are the odds that every single woman on the earth is wrong?

00:52:56.980 Like, you being like, your wife follows me.

00:52:58.840 Like, your girlfriend probably follows me.

00:53:00.100 And they always do.

00:53:01.220 And they always do.

00:53:02.300 So what do you want, girl?

00:53:03.440 I was driving on my way here and I was just in my thoughts thinking about how, hmm, I really

00:53:09.080 don't want to have a Sagittarius son.

00:53:11.480 So I was like, how do I like work backwards for when I conceive?

00:53:15.460 And then I was like, well, what else do I not want?

00:53:16.760 I don't want a Cancer boy.

00:53:18.960 I don't want a Gemini boy.

00:53:21.200 And I was like, really going through, I was like, man, maybe I just like hate men.

00:53:25.000 Like, all of them.

00:53:26.760 There are quite, there are good ones, obviously, out there.

00:53:28.940 But like, most of them, I'm like, a lot of them are horrible.

00:53:34.080 Yeah, they are.

00:53:34.920 And intolerable.

00:53:35.340 And it's okay if we say it.

00:53:36.620 Like, what the f**k?

00:53:37.500 Like, you want me to use hundreds of years of proof to show it to you?

00:53:40.720 Like, that's why I'm always like, I don't ever feel bad for saying that most men are

00:53:45.740 f**king awful because it's true.

00:53:47.640 When women say, like, I f**king hate all men, I'm like, I mean, period.

00:53:51.760 Because who am I to tell you not to?

00:53:53.500 Like, there's obviously a reason why you feel that way.

00:53:55.560 Yeah.

00:53:55.880 History proves.

00:53:56.740 I always think, like, can you blame her?

00:53:59.000 Like, can you blame her for f**king hating all of you based off her life experience?

00:54:03.420 No, you can't.

00:54:04.500 The same way that men like that blame every single woman why they can't get pussy just

00:54:08.540 because one b**ch didn't like them in third grade.

00:54:10.560 Like, you're blaming all of them, right?

00:54:12.320 Like, you're holding all of them accountable.

00:54:14.260 And yet, I can't do it.

00:54:15.820 Like, when I do it, it's f**king awful.

00:54:17.860 Yeah.

00:54:18.320 But when men do it, it's like, well, she f**ked me over.

00:54:21.040 Now I'm kind of f**ked up.

00:54:22.980 Then die alone.

00:54:23.740 How can I have heard that?

00:54:24.920 Twelve times.

00:54:25.440 Yeah, girls, then f**king die alone.

00:54:27.040 That made my skin crawl for a second.

00:54:29.500 Every sign.

00:54:30.720 Truly.

00:54:31.320 Yeah, she f**ked me up.

00:54:33.060 Okay, well, then.

00:54:34.360 You're like, we're literally laying in bed and you're telling us.

00:54:37.480 Oh, my God.

00:54:38.700 And then, like, that's why when men are awful and then I'm like, well, yeah, look at you.

00:54:43.140 Then they're like, that's so mean.

00:54:45.220 Why would you say that?

00:54:46.760 It can't be mean if it's true.

00:54:48.600 You know what I mean?

00:54:49.340 Like, if it's a statistical fact.

00:54:50.820 I literally posted last, like, holiday.

00:54:53.380 I was, like, when I was filming a bunch of Christmas episodes.

00:54:56.600 I, like, had this clip with one of my friends and I was like, I just think you can't talk to me at all if you're ugly.

00:55:03.840 Like, you can't comment on my looks if you're ugly.

00:55:05.840 That video went so viral.

00:55:07.300 The amount of men that were like, and what if I said you were ugly?

00:55:11.420 I don't care.

00:55:12.560 The voice is so good.

00:55:13.740 I don't give a f**k.

00:55:14.700 That's why I'm like, I don't care.

00:55:15.660 When they're like, oh, so I can comment on your looks?

00:55:17.980 By all means, I encourage it.

00:55:19.260 I hope you do.

00:55:20.580 Engagement.

00:55:21.200 Please do.

00:55:21.880 And then send me a picture of you and then I'll comment on your looks and then we can all laugh together.

00:55:25.200 No, my, one of our best friends texted me the other day because he was kind of upset about a hate comment.

00:55:29.040 He was just like, I just think that every hate comment should have to come with a photo of the person who comments it.

00:55:35.600 That's just the rule.

00:55:36.540 Sometimes when they write that, I'm like, and what do you look like?

00:55:38.700 It's true.

00:55:39.340 Let me know.

00:55:39.740 But they hide behind, like, a little, like, gray profile picture.

00:55:44.540 Yeah, that's why I'm like, you know what?

00:55:45.920 I may not, I don't, I may not be the best looking person in the world depending on who you ask, right?

00:55:50.920 But if looks are a race, I got one b**ch beat and it's you.

00:55:55.140 I'm coming in before you, girl.

00:55:56.800 That's for f**king sure.

00:55:58.320 I can promise you that.

00:55:59.280 Okay, really quick.

00:56:00.080 We'll do one video because we're talking about hate from men.

00:56:03.460 But specifically, like, obviously, y'all are amazing, trailblazing female entrepreneurs, period.

00:56:09.300 And I'm sure you get a lot of hate as far as, like, I mean, you guys said if it hits the wrong side, obviously, you get a lot of men who hate you.

00:56:15.960 So we're going to do one video.

00:56:18.360 I'm just going to describe it for all of us.

00:56:20.020 Okay.

00:56:20.240 Oh, my God.

00:56:20.560 So a man on a podcast says, some people might say this is misogynistic.

00:56:25.020 Like, just don't.

00:56:26.500 Oh, stop right there.

00:56:27.500 Stop.

00:56:28.100 It most likely is.

00:56:29.360 It most likely is.

00:56:31.000 I'm just being realistic.

00:56:32.320 Most women don't know what the f**k they want to eat for lunch.

00:56:34.660 How the hell do you expect her to guide you in life?

00:56:36.960 Like, no, women are not born leaders.

00:56:38.800 Then he talks about how patriarchies have stood the test of time while matriarchies throughout history have fallen apart because women are too emotional.

00:56:47.260 I'm like, that's, like, literally not true.

00:56:49.580 Tell that to the queen.

00:56:50.680 Rest in peace.

00:56:52.960 That's, like, historically not true.

00:56:54.940 But, okay.

00:56:56.900 You know what I read recently?

00:56:58.260 Indigenous people, like Native American people, this hunter-gatherer, like, theory, right?

00:57:04.300 Like, men are hunters and women are gatherers, which misogynists love to use that trope, right?

00:57:09.020 The only reason that became a thing is because Indigenous people would send men out to hunt.

00:57:13.480 The reason why that happened is because Indigenous people, and this happens in my culture, too, because I'm also Indigenous, they hold women in very high regard.

00:57:19.900 They're worth a lot more because they bring life into the world.

00:57:23.100 So, like, they don't care if men leave because if something happened to them, yeah, it wouldn't matter because you still have women.

00:57:32.360 If you lost, like, seven men, they'd be like, well, that's a bummer.

00:57:36.100 Like, back in the day.

00:57:37.440 If they lost, like, two or three women, it'd be devastating for their community because how are you going to continue?

00:57:42.180 The bloodline.

00:57:42.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:43.640 So that's literally why that became a thing.

00:57:46.500 It's not genetics, like I'm about to say.

00:57:49.140 But I'm like, you guys love to reference pseudoscience and none of you even pass biology.

00:57:53.920 So what the f*** are you talking about?

00:57:55.600 What?

00:57:56.100 What are you talking about?

00:57:57.180 None of you can even do a pun at square.

00:58:00.400 Can't even spell recessive gene.

00:58:02.360 You should be able to because you have a lot of them.

00:58:04.140 You don't know what DNA stands for.

00:58:05.480 That's girl fun.

00:58:05.960 Deoxyribonucleic acid.

00:58:07.300 I mean, first, if you're ever going to say this may sound misogynistic.

00:58:14.060 Oh, stop right there.

00:58:16.220 Could you imagine?

00:58:17.180 Pause.

00:58:17.700 I would literally break up with someone right away if that came out of my significant other's mouth.

00:58:21.780 Oh, for sure.

00:58:22.720 Girl, that's why I'm like, sometimes when people ask me, people ask me relationship advice a lot.

00:58:26.300 They're like, oh, what do I do if my boyfriend's doing this or whatever?

00:58:29.500 And I'm like, I feel like you know the answer to that question because you're asking.

00:58:33.200 You can ask, yeah.

00:58:33.920 And a lot of times, there's always red flags that you just – I always give everyone a pass.

00:58:40.320 Everyone gets one where your eyes are closed and you don't see anything.

00:58:44.460 We didn't see it coming.

00:58:44.900 I've done it.

00:58:45.580 Listen, not great.

00:58:46.880 Awful.

00:58:47.400 Awful, in fact.

00:58:48.380 So I did my one and I was like, that's it.

00:58:50.960 One relationship or one instance in the relationship?

00:58:53.480 It was like relationship.

00:58:54.280 Okay.

00:58:54.600 Like it was one where I was like, okay, my eyes are f***ing closed.

00:58:58.580 Lots of red flags, choosing not to look at them.

00:59:00.940 I don't see it.

00:59:01.880 I can't read.

00:59:02.700 I can't – suddenly I'm colorblind.

00:59:05.300 It's just a flag.

00:59:06.260 I thought it was green.

00:59:07.060 Yeah, I feel like this idea –

00:59:10.180 Also, the not knowing what you want to eat.

00:59:12.620 No, we – we don't want to have to tell you verbatim every single day what we want.

00:59:21.100 Period.

00:59:21.360 We need you to lead us like you claim you should be leading us versus, you know.

00:59:31.140 Well, I also feel like – I feel like they look at that and like, oh, I'm so indecisive

00:59:35.740 when like really it's like I care about what you want too.

00:59:38.600 I was just going to say that.

00:59:40.240 I feel like that's a subconscious thing of like, well, I made this past seven decisions.

00:59:45.380 I feel kind of bad.

00:59:46.240 Like, well, what do you want?

00:59:47.140 Or I truly just don't care.

00:59:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:49.400 I could do sushi.

00:59:50.300 I could do Chinese.

00:59:51.120 I could do Italian.

00:59:51.800 Like I honestly don't care.

00:59:53.140 Yeah, exactly.

00:59:54.400 But I'm like – but see, that's giving women too much credit for having a brain.

00:59:58.160 So like they're like, stupid bitch doesn't know what you want.

01:00:00.900 Obviously, that's not it.

01:00:01.800 I'm like – but think about it.

01:00:02.920 They truly think we don't know what we want the whole time.

01:00:06.880 It's not that – there's so much more than that.

01:00:08.460 Yeah, I'm like, you know, you just refuse to give me what I asked for, which is the

01:00:11.740 bare minimum and somehow it's a huge f***ing task.

01:00:14.640 It's just like you just refuse to give it to me.

01:00:16.680 I don't care if it's pizza or sushi.

01:00:18.300 I just want you present.

01:00:20.260 Yeah, for real.

01:00:21.140 And take me on a date.

01:00:22.160 That's why sometimes I'm like – if you ask like single women right now like what

01:00:26.720 their type is, it's bleak, bitch.

01:00:31.620 The way they're like, someone who's nice to me.

01:00:34.380 The bar's in hell.

01:00:35.220 The bar's in hell.

01:00:36.020 Someone who's funny.

01:00:38.160 Replies to texts.

01:00:38.860 Yeah, doesn't disrespect me.

01:00:40.280 Says good morning.

01:00:41.540 Yeah, nice to my family.

01:00:43.020 I mean, when you ask men, they're like, she's got to f***ing cook and clean and make a lot

01:00:47.020 of money and also not be a whore.

01:00:48.840 It's just like the priorities are so different.

01:00:51.160 Yeah, it's so, so true.

01:00:52.980 Like every – the first thing single women tell me is like, just someone who's nice to

01:00:56.180 me.

01:00:56.380 And I'm like, girl, the bar's in hell.

01:00:59.200 Like if you don't have a girl, like it's truly a you problem.

01:01:02.800 Like because women are like anyone, anyone at all.

01:01:05.420 Someone want to be nice to me?

01:01:06.400 Oh, the way that my bar has lowered almost daily at this point.

01:01:10.220 Yeah, they're like, ooh.

01:01:12.760 They're like, well, he was like, you know, kind of funny.

01:01:16.000 So it was not too bad.

01:01:17.060 He made me laugh that one time.

01:01:17.820 I'm not even trying to say he was cute.

01:01:19.020 No, for real, like looks are at the very bottom of the list.

01:01:23.420 Like they love to complain about height too.

01:01:24.760 They're like, oh, women only want someone over six feet.

01:01:26.860 And I'm like, that's – again, first of all, you sound short.

01:01:29.840 Yeah.

01:01:30.060 But second of all, I'm like, they don't give a f*** as long as you're not terrible.

01:01:35.740 Like they don't care.

01:01:37.160 Do you know how many short men I know who have a girl like – or they're drowning in

01:01:39.800 puss?

01:01:40.080 I know a ton.

01:01:41.240 I know a ton of men who are doing that and they're fine.

01:01:43.460 Same with bald men.

01:01:44.880 Like lots of baldies.

01:01:46.200 My dad's a baldy.

01:01:47.760 He's a baldy.

01:01:48.660 A baldy.

01:01:49.360 He's married and in love.

01:01:50.600 Hello.

01:01:51.440 That's why I'm like, because he's not awful.

01:01:53.240 Yeah.

01:01:53.500 So it's really not that hard.

01:01:55.060 I'm like, it's – the list is so short after a while.

01:01:57.760 If you're like, okay, well, I'm so handsome.

01:01:59.820 Check.

01:02:00.340 I'm so in shape.

01:02:01.360 Check.

01:02:02.100 I have lots of money.

01:02:02.880 Check.

01:02:03.240 Sorry, that's such an ick just picturing a guy like write it on his mirror like –

01:02:06.720 And they do it.

01:02:07.540 I bet they do it too.

01:02:08.400 Oh, I bet.

01:02:08.980 In their little journal.

01:02:09.880 At least in their notes.

01:02:10.640 Kicking their feet on their belly.

01:02:12.840 I'm so – I have all these wonderful traits and none of these bitches like me.

01:02:17.440 And it's like, well, maybe because the list is really short, it's you.

01:02:20.780 And that's the hardest thing to deal with, isn't it?

01:02:22.800 You're like, well, maybe I'm awful.

01:02:24.160 Like men don't ask themselves that question enough.

01:02:27.200 No.

01:02:27.560 Yeah, because society doesn't make them.

01:02:29.520 Exactly.

01:02:30.480 But you know how women are constantly like, how –

01:02:32.240 How can I do better?

01:02:33.600 Yeah, like how I'm affecting the people around me, I care a lot about.

01:02:37.960 Men don't move like that.

01:02:39.480 And then they're like, why does everyone fucking hate me?

01:02:42.920 The way –

01:02:44.080 I'm thinking of your one situation.

01:02:45.220 I was just going to bring it up.

01:02:46.280 I was like, the way I got my heart stomped on by this guy that like was the fucking worst.

01:02:52.160 Really?

01:02:52.440 But I left that being like, I'm not pretty enough.

01:02:54.800 I'm not smart enough.

01:02:55.400 I'm not successful enough.

01:02:56.180 I'm not good enough.

01:02:57.120 Yeah.

01:02:57.440 But then he'd be confused why you would want a relationship when he – you know what I mean?

01:03:04.560 Yeah, like it's just like, what the f***?

01:03:06.740 That's crazy.

01:03:07.040 I thought you were going to go in.

01:03:07.920 No, I feel like I could have.

01:03:09.440 I was like, I just feel like every night would be there sewing up your little heart.

01:03:12.560 We're like, it's okay.

01:03:13.260 Like he must like just be like really nervous around you.

01:03:18.420 We would justify so much shit.

01:03:20.400 The way we're still like taking care of each other at that point.

01:03:22.880 Oh, yeah.

01:03:23.260 It's like mending – it's like mending what they destroy.

01:03:28.580 And still, even then, like – because I'm a big shit talker, clearly.

01:03:32.860 But like the way – like some of my best friends in the world have dated some of the worst men ever.

01:03:37.700 And like at that moment, you ask yourself like, is that what she wants to hear or does she just need me to be there for her?

01:03:43.180 Yeah.

01:03:43.320 And even then, I'm still not talking shit on you.

01:03:46.620 Even then, I'm still not doing it.

01:03:48.500 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:49.180 I'm like, and I could and I don't.

01:03:51.060 And that's the shit that men don't do.

01:03:52.840 I'm like, I'm still, still like, well, you know, maybe it's just – and I want to kill you with my bare hands.

01:03:58.300 But I don't tell her that.

01:03:59.740 Of course.

01:04:00.240 And that's what I'm saying.

01:04:00.860 Like women are constantly thinking about others.

01:04:02.880 No, I'm like, I was rooting for you.

01:04:04.840 Like I really –

01:04:05.920 And I didn't want to, but I was.

01:04:07.320 When you said you couldn't – when you said your car couldn't move – when – sorry.

01:04:12.900 When I asked for closure after a long time of turmoil –

01:04:17.020 Yeah, of like back and forth.

01:04:17.820 Like a year.

01:04:18.500 Back and forth, back and forth.

01:04:21.120 Told me he didn't have time for a girlfriend, but then also told me he was thinking of taking a wag for maybe a little hobby in the meantime.

01:04:27.900 Or only said I love you when you're drunk.

01:04:29.420 That as well.

01:04:29.800 When he was drunk.

01:04:30.260 That as well.

01:04:31.600 And then at the end when I finally was like, I would like closure, please.

01:04:34.640 And then I got, no, sorry.

01:04:36.300 And I was like, okay, that's fine.

01:04:37.580 I was good.

01:04:38.360 I moved on.

01:04:39.080 Three days later, I got a drunk DM.

01:04:40.740 I want closure.

01:04:42.020 And I was like, oh, really?

01:04:44.000 Amazing.

01:04:44.940 Beautiful.

01:04:45.900 He's going to be in love with me.

01:04:47.460 So I asked to meet up.

01:04:49.040 And he said his car – he couldn't come because his car was like –

01:04:53.080 Blocked in by his roommate or something.

01:04:54.180 Yeah, by like a different car.

01:04:55.760 And I was like, okay, that's totally fine.

01:04:58.000 We said Uber.

01:04:59.940 Yeah, we did.

01:05:01.080 We did.

01:05:01.560 We did.

01:05:02.000 We're like Uber.

01:05:02.840 He's like, what did he say?

01:05:04.220 He's like, you think I have all that money or something?

01:05:06.040 Yeah, he said I can't.

01:05:06.420 Like, yeah, you think I'm going to pay all that money to Uber to you?

01:05:08.760 I said Uber pool, bitch.

01:05:10.140 Yeah.

01:05:10.440 Literally Uber pool.

01:05:11.500 Girl, walk.

01:05:11.980 I don't give a ****.

01:05:12.720 I don't fucking care.

01:05:13.700 You want this closure or not?

01:05:14.620 Yeah.

01:05:15.580 Goddamn.

01:05:16.120 Never saw him again.

01:05:17.660 Good for you.

01:05:18.160 Yeah.

01:05:18.460 Thank you.

01:05:19.080 Thank God.

01:05:20.180 Thank God you never saw him again.

01:05:21.320 I mean this with everything.

01:05:23.180 Your babies would have been ugly.

01:05:26.280 He really would have brought it down.

01:05:27.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:28.420 And now they're going to be so cute.

01:05:29.420 They're going to be so cute.

01:05:30.140 He's like, he'd lower your average, girl.

01:05:31.680 I know.

01:05:32.160 You're right.

01:05:32.600 You see how like –

01:05:33.320 I had to do it for my kids.

01:05:34.340 Yeah.

01:05:35.120 For my non-saventious boy.

01:05:36.980 Like really –

01:05:37.700 Sometimes I'll tell women like I love dearly and we talk about it and I'm like, really

01:05:41.900 look at him.

01:05:43.200 Come on.

01:05:43.780 Are you seeing what I'm seeing?

01:05:45.460 Really look at him, bitch.

01:05:46.740 Like take a good look at him and you like ask yourself, is that the guy that should be

01:05:51.200 disrespecting me?

01:05:54.000 Most times, 99.9% of the time the answer is no.

01:05:57.400 I love that.

01:05:58.940 I love that specifically.

01:05:59.840 I wish I had that back in the day.

01:06:01.260 Like if that fucko was just on the street, like would you take that disrespect from him?

01:06:07.100 No.

01:06:08.720 No.

01:06:09.360 Absolutely not.

01:06:10.260 I'm like if a nematode says some bullshit to me, I'm going to be like, shut the hell

01:06:14.760 up.

01:06:14.900 In front of the velociraptor?

01:06:16.500 Yeah, girl.

01:06:17.700 On the velocicoaster?

01:06:19.060 Velocicoaster.

01:06:19.440 I'm like, you're a white man with dreads.

01:06:20.740 You've got bigger problems than me, girl.

01:06:22.120 I can promise you that.

01:06:22.780 Yeah, no, we need to unpack that.

01:06:23.860 You've got to unpack some other stuff.

01:06:26.360 Sometimes I tell people, I'm like, really look at him.

01:06:28.920 Is he good looking enough to give you lip like that?

01:06:31.720 No.

01:06:32.880 Is he tall enough?

01:06:33.660 Rich enough?

01:06:34.560 Check all the boxes.

01:06:36.080 No.

01:06:37.020 Was he?

01:06:37.920 No.

01:06:38.460 Okay, there you go.

01:06:39.540 If you squinted and like, maybe.

01:06:41.680 If you closed both eyes.

01:06:44.140 Yeah, maybe.

01:06:44.520 If my eyes closed, you look great.

01:06:45.680 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:47.000 It's true.

01:06:48.020 Honestly.

01:06:48.860 I was literally joking about this on my other podcast with my sister.

01:06:51.680 We were talking about like men who like don't clean themselves properly and then they

01:06:56.740 just walk around with stinky ass all the time.

01:06:58.920 Ew.

01:06:59.340 Or like just a gross dick.

01:07:01.260 And I was telling her, I'm like, that's the part that blows me away is like, I know

01:07:05.380 you f*** other bitches.

01:07:06.520 I know you f***ing other women.

01:07:07.840 You're telling me not one of those women has told you like, ew.

01:07:11.420 You know what I'm saying?

01:07:12.160 And I'm like, the fact that some of these men are so disrespectful and you stink?

01:07:17.020 No.

01:07:17.920 Hey, no.

01:07:18.660 Also, I saw a TikTok, you've probably seen it.

01:07:20.900 I saw a TikTok of, I think it was a doctor explaining how, how guys are always saying

01:07:25.800 like, oh, she smells fishy, et cetera, whatever.

01:07:28.020 Yeah.

01:07:28.460 It's because the guys aren't cleaning.

01:07:30.480 Yeah.

01:07:30.820 And it's them.

01:07:31.520 So it's a them problem.

01:07:32.280 They're throwing off your pH.

01:07:33.100 Yep.

01:07:33.660 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 So it's still.

01:07:35.960 Dirty dick.

01:07:37.060 It's men's fault.

01:07:37.940 It's men's fault.

01:07:38.700 Like it always is.

01:07:39.400 And in conclusion.

01:07:40.300 And in conclusion.

01:07:40.880 It's men's fault.

01:07:41.660 Dirty dick.

01:07:42.460 It's your fault.

01:07:43.360 That's why I'm like, I can't believe not one time of you taking down your pants and someone

01:07:46.640 wasn't like.

01:07:47.500 To be fully honest though, maybe it has and they just don't care.

01:07:51.460 That's my point.

01:07:52.380 That's what I'm saying.

01:07:53.120 I believe, believe women.

01:07:54.600 I believe that someone has been like, ew, ew, put that away.

01:07:58.800 And some people commented, they were like, oh my gosh, what?

01:08:02.140 This one girl was like, dude, one guy was smelled so bad when he took off his pants.

01:08:06.000 And I was like, you need to go shower.

01:08:07.880 So she told him to go shower.

01:08:09.140 And then while he was in the shower, she left.

01:08:11.240 Hilarious.

01:08:11.760 Good.

01:08:12.220 So funny.

01:08:13.140 That's so good.

01:08:13.680 That's something I would do though.

01:08:14.480 Cause I hate confrontation.

01:08:17.360 I would be out of there.

01:08:17.980 You just Irish goodbye the hookup.

01:08:18.980 Like to me, that would be less awkward.

01:08:21.080 You take your shoes off.

01:08:22.740 You run out.

01:08:23.980 Girl.

01:08:25.080 Oh my God.

01:08:26.020 He, he thinks, he thinks it's like, oh, are you going to join me?

01:08:29.920 You're like, yeah, get in there.

01:08:32.200 I'll meet you in there, baby.

01:08:33.280 I'll be, I'll be right behind you.

01:08:35.720 You hear your car peel out.

01:08:38.040 Girl.

01:08:39.160 You're like, you hear you downstairs going Uber for Remy.

01:08:42.360 Thank you.

01:08:43.640 Thank you so much.

01:08:45.520 Oh my God.

01:08:46.060 He just hears you downstairs.

01:08:49.220 Girl.

01:08:50.100 Oh my God.

01:08:50.780 That was the way my life would flash.

01:08:52.420 Listen, if one bitch told me, Hey, you stink.

01:08:55.140 Um, that would, that would traumatize me to the point where I'm like, I'm constantly

01:08:58.940 The rest of my life, the rest of my life, the way that men are just like, you don't

01:09:03.800 know what you're talking about.

01:09:05.140 Oh, I wish I had.

01:09:06.220 I wish I honestly, I envy it.

01:09:07.680 The ignorance.

01:09:08.940 I wish I could live there.

01:09:09.920 Oh my God.

01:09:10.820 The way they're like, that's not true.

01:09:11.860 Yeah.

01:09:11.940 It sounds peaceful.

01:09:12.840 It does.

01:09:13.360 Yeah.

01:09:13.520 And quiet.

01:09:14.340 We always say that like men's like brains with like what's going on up there.

01:09:17.220 And we go, at all times.

01:09:21.160 It's not a little wind between those ears.

01:09:22.760 Nothing happened.

01:09:23.420 And then girls are over here like, Oh, is he thinking about me?

01:09:25.740 Like, what did he mean by that?

01:09:28.560 I wonder what he's thinking about right now.

01:09:30.520 Nothing.

01:09:31.580 Nothing.

01:09:32.320 I can promise you that.

01:09:33.520 It's literally nothing.

01:09:34.220 Okay.

01:09:34.340 I'll go through these comments really fast.

01:09:36.260 Who's expecting their women to guide them?

01:09:38.400 A woman won't even be attracted to a man she has to constantly guide.

01:09:41.700 Then you're their mom.

01:09:43.360 Yeah.

01:09:43.840 What the f***?

01:09:45.320 Yeah.

01:09:45.580 Of course not.

01:09:46.760 That's why I'm like, why is it so black and white?

01:09:48.780 You got these comments on something?

01:09:50.720 They're on this video.

01:09:51.680 On the video that you read to us.

01:09:52.920 They're real.

01:09:53.700 Mm-hmm.

01:09:54.480 I know.

01:09:55.300 These are real comments.

01:09:56.240 Yeah.

01:09:56.500 This one says, I agree.

01:09:57.620 Men act on their emotions and turn dangerous.

01:10:01.360 Women typically don't.

01:10:03.500 Well, that's, again, like, I mean, that's not wrong.

01:10:07.180 No, women act on their emotions and then they, because they, like, give a s***.

01:10:12.560 Men reacting on anger and anger alone is not you being a good leader.

01:10:16.000 It's you being insane.

01:10:17.020 Yeah.

01:10:17.360 Like, it's you being crazy.

01:10:18.960 Yeah, and not logical.

01:10:20.180 Yeah, like, the fact that, like, women will say things like, hey, like, please don't disrespect

01:10:24.140 me.

01:10:24.440 And the men are like, okay, well, if you want equal rights, then I should be able to punch

01:10:27.240 you in your f***ing face.

01:10:28.480 And you can't complain.

01:10:29.840 F***ing dumb.

01:10:30.900 Bro, what are you talking about?

01:10:32.860 It's crazy.

01:10:32.980 Then I'm like, you know what's funny is, like, they talk about domestic violence or

01:10:35.700 whatever.

01:10:36.040 They're like, I should, like, equal rights, equal fights.

01:10:38.400 Like, they literally write that s***.

01:10:39.660 Are you f***ed up?

01:10:40.500 And I'm like, you know it's illegal to hit anybody.

01:10:43.000 Yeah.

01:10:43.240 It doesn't matter if it's a woman.

01:10:44.720 Like, it's illegal to hit any, like, to harm or violate someone else.

01:10:48.900 Yeah.

01:10:49.140 That's illegal across the board, girl.

01:10:51.200 It's even illegal to do it to animals.

01:10:53.060 Yeah.

01:10:53.260 Like, you can't even hit a dog.

01:10:54.460 So, like, what are you talking about?

01:10:57.140 That's what I'm going to tell my dog.

01:10:58.260 The next time he wants to, like, ask me for food, I'm going to be like, you want equal

01:11:00.780 rights?

01:11:01.100 I should be able to hit you.

01:11:04.020 Girl, what are you talking about?

01:11:05.380 I'm like, you're insane.

01:11:06.380 Go to therapy.

01:11:08.740 That's why I'm like, I don't know.

01:11:10.820 Like, this violent thing is, first of all, not a flex.

01:11:13.600 No.

01:11:13.920 And second of all, it's like a testament to, like, your intellect.

01:11:17.740 Like, your first reaction is to be so angry you want to hit someone.

01:11:22.620 It's physical, yeah.

01:11:23.980 Yeah.

01:11:24.360 I honestly can't even, I don't know.

01:11:28.540 I can't.

01:11:29.060 Like, to not even be able to process your feelings and just take it out physically.

01:11:32.760 Yeah, I can't relate to that.

01:11:34.560 Yeah, it's very indicative of a much larger issue.

01:11:37.680 Also, it's not normal.

01:11:38.740 And I feel like they just try to make it seem like it's so normal.

01:11:40.920 They're like, that's just men being men.

01:11:42.640 Oh, I can't with boys being boys.

01:11:44.400 I cannot.

01:11:45.120 I don't even get me started on that one.

01:11:46.580 No, that's psychos being psychos.

01:11:47.860 That's more accurate.

01:11:49.060 I saw this girl talk about something, like, she was talking about this book, and it's,

01:11:52.720 like, a really prominent piece of feminist literature.

01:11:55.080 I forget the name of it.

01:11:55.840 But she was saying, someone in the book was explaining how the way, it's, like, overwhelmingly

01:12:00.680 the numbers are that men kill women far more than women kill men.

01:12:03.360 And that's just, like, a statistical fact.

01:12:04.980 It has been for many, many, many, many years.

01:12:07.280 But she was saying that fact is, do you think that that fact is a fact because there is a shortage

01:12:12.580 of weapons?

01:12:14.060 No.

01:12:14.760 Like, when men and women both have access to weapons.

01:12:17.520 Yeah.

01:12:17.660 It's a lack of empathy and understanding.

01:12:20.340 Women have empathy and men don't.

01:12:22.220 Naturally, they're, like, forced to develop empathy much sooner than men are, if ever.

01:12:26.860 And she was like, so women don't want to kill.

01:12:30.240 If they do, it's, like, out of necessity.

01:12:33.040 It's almost, like, out of survival a lot of times.

01:12:35.280 Or, and other, obviously, there's exceptions to that, just like there are with men.

01:12:39.960 But, like, it's the overwhelming, like, feeling is that I don't want to kill people.

01:12:45.380 I don't want to hurt someone, whether it's physically or emotionally.

01:12:49.620 I just want them to hear me kind of thing.

01:12:52.000 And I'm like, men don't think that way, like, naturally.

01:12:55.280 Unless they choose to develop that.

01:12:57.640 So, like, I find it gross and weird for men to be like, oh, well, men are just, they're

01:13:03.140 stronger and they react off anger.

01:13:04.980 That's not a good thing, girl.

01:13:06.220 No.

01:13:06.540 No, it's not.

01:13:07.860 Also, I was fascinated when I first started seeing videos and TikToks about how men will

01:13:15.540 aim for the male gaze versus the female gaze.

01:13:18.180 Like, they think women want this, like, tough, strong, like, f***ing dude.

01:13:22.620 Big, like, macho dude.

01:13:24.040 And then they're confused why, like, there's a trend now of girls going for more, like,

01:13:27.840 like, more femme guys.

01:13:29.100 Like Timothee Chalamet?

01:13:30.300 Literally.

01:13:30.540 Like a Willy Wonka?

01:13:31.720 Literally Willy Wonka.

01:13:32.540 And a Willy Wonka?

01:13:33.180 Like me as Willy Wonka?

01:13:34.980 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:36.200 It's true.

01:13:37.440 It's the same thing with, like, the Pete Davidsons of the world.

01:13:39.900 Yes, yeah.

01:13:40.240 Totally.

01:13:40.440 Like, women are like, they're like, what do women like?

01:13:44.720 Maybe it's you.

01:13:46.140 Look in the mirror.

01:13:46.900 It is true, though.

01:13:47.660 I do think that empathy is a conscious choice for men to develop, whereas we...

01:13:52.600 Are forced to.

01:13:53.720 Forced and also kind of more innate.

01:13:55.260 I think we just, like, also just, I think, like, women being around each other, women uplifting

01:13:59.200 each other up.

01:13:59.840 Absolutely.

01:14:00.240 Like, that's not really a thing for guys.

01:14:02.740 No, not at all.

01:14:03.180 No, not at all.

01:14:03.680 Like, it's like, I saw a girl talk about it once where she was saying, like, have you

01:14:06.840 ever asked men, like, when's your friend's birthday?

01:14:09.280 And they don't know.

01:14:10.160 I had this conversation yesterday.

01:14:11.380 Yes.

01:14:11.540 Isn't that crazy?

01:14:12.320 Oh, the way that, like, my fiance will come home from, like, a boys' night and be like,

01:14:16.020 oh, you know, this guy's, like, he's getting married.

01:14:19.660 And I'm like, oh my God.

01:14:20.920 Yeah.

01:14:21.160 How did he propose?

01:14:22.200 How long?

01:14:22.920 I don't know.

01:14:24.640 When he messaged his, like, friends, his college group friends that we got engaged, it was just

01:14:29.460 like, yay, congrats from all his guy friends.

01:14:31.660 And then the one girl in the group, oh my God, tell me everything.

01:14:34.520 It's just a thing.

01:14:35.920 Like, we just care more.

01:14:37.140 Yeah.

01:14:37.300 It's just like a, it's like a community we've built.

01:14:40.120 But, yeah.

01:14:40.460 We live longer.

01:14:41.480 There you go.

01:14:42.420 I wonder why.

01:14:43.280 We live longer now.

01:14:44.220 Community.

01:14:45.140 Empathy.

01:14:45.900 Community.

01:14:46.060 Okay.

01:14:46.700 We talked about all kinds of stuff today.

01:14:49.040 But just to kind of round it out, like, obviously, because I think the biggest thing is that you

01:14:53.780 guys have been around for so long and you're doing so well.

01:14:55.780 And I'm so happy that you are.

01:14:57.240 And that you're here on the pod.

01:14:58.780 So what would you guys say is your best piece of advice when it comes to, whether they're

01:15:02.720 up and coming creators or maybe ones that have been around and they haven't quite hit

01:15:06.840 their stride yet.

01:15:08.060 Like, what's your best piece of advice for them?

01:15:11.140 Stay grounded and humble and have people who will check you in your life.

01:15:15.120 Whether it's a friend, your parents, like, yeah, it's, it's so easy, especially when money

01:15:20.520 is involved in likes or followers, like, it's so easy to get lost.

01:15:24.180 And you need someone to be like, no, like, you need friends who don't do this job.

01:15:29.780 You need period.

01:15:31.280 Like, you need no men.

01:15:32.980 Is that the word?

01:15:33.580 Like, instead of yes men, like, you need to surround yourself with people who will actually

01:15:36.480 be like, that's stupid.

01:15:37.820 Why would you spend that much money for that?

01:15:39.280 You know what I mean?

01:15:40.080 Like, and I like real normal friends, normal people.

01:15:43.140 Oh, my God.

01:15:43.740 I think that's something we're both very blessed about because we grew up, you too?

01:15:47.920 Yeah.

01:15:48.200 Because we all grew up in Southern California.

01:15:49.680 Period.

01:15:51.020 I think that's the biggest.

01:15:52.080 And just being grateful.

01:15:52.860 Like I said earlier, like, truly never feel like you're above anything.

01:15:56.320 Never feel like, oh, well, they should pay me to walk that carpet.

01:16:00.600 Like, don't, you just stop.

01:16:02.200 Like, just be grateful.

01:16:03.360 But I've been there where you're like, oh, my God, I should be paid for this or whatever.

01:16:06.320 And it's just like, it doesn't last.

01:16:08.140 It doesn't last.

01:16:09.000 You're going to be miserable.

01:16:10.180 And there's always someone more talented than you and never feel like you're at the top.

01:16:15.720 Like, just be grateful to be here.

01:16:17.220 Yeah, period.

01:16:18.140 I second and go off that.

01:16:20.580 And then also, I would say like a creator tip is trends are so fleeting.

01:16:25.560 And I even fall into this.

01:16:26.520 I know we all fall into this.

01:16:27.400 Like, trends are fleeting.

01:16:28.060 And it might be exciting to try and get in on that.

01:16:30.940 But I do think there's longevity in making content that truly inspires you and that you're passionate about.

01:16:35.800 And that's how you find, yeah, that's how you find longevity in doing this.

01:16:39.040 And also not going into it as a career.

01:16:41.720 I mean, we started off, we all started off like just doing it for fun.

01:16:45.240 And then you hit that point maybe where you're like, okay, maybe this could be a career.

01:16:48.560 But the people that go into it with the idea of like, I want to do this.

01:16:53.660 Yeah, I want to make all this money.

01:16:54.580 I want to have all these followers.

01:16:55.560 I want to be famous.

01:16:56.060 I want like free stuff.

01:16:57.140 Exactly.

01:16:57.940 It's not going to last.

01:16:59.140 And people can see through that.

01:17:00.520 It's not authentic.

01:17:02.060 Period.

01:17:02.780 Like, you genuinely could have done five videos of the Renegade instead.

01:17:07.260 And you wouldn't be here.

01:17:08.260 Do you know what I mean?

01:17:08.880 Like, that's just following what other people are doing.

01:17:10.820 Like, you seriously made your whole own lane.

01:17:13.220 Oh, thank you.

01:17:13.940 No, like, for real.

01:17:14.840 Yeah.

01:17:15.160 For real.

01:17:15.640 So I feel like that's going off that.

01:17:17.840 Yeah.

01:17:18.060 I've told people before, I'm like, there's only one Emma Chamberlain.

01:17:21.040 So, like, she did her own thing.

01:17:23.220 And it worked for her.

01:17:24.920 If you continue to, like, if you want to follow a trend, that's natural.

01:17:28.440 But I feel like it doesn't last.

01:17:30.720 Because, like, there's only one of each of us.

01:17:33.160 For sure.

01:17:33.400 Oh, my God.

01:17:33.700 We all have something to offer.

01:17:34.700 Yeah.

01:17:35.160 Social media world.

01:17:35.920 Unless you're a man.

01:17:36.940 Most likely you don't.

01:17:38.320 And that's just, that's coming from me.

01:17:39.580 A terrible man.

01:17:42.800 You got nothing to offer.

01:17:43.760 Don't put it in the world.

01:17:44.780 I don't want to see it.

01:17:45.620 Just log off.

01:17:47.440 Okay.

01:17:47.860 Well, thank you both so much for coming on the pod.

01:17:49.980 I adore you both.

01:17:50.580 Thank you for having me so much.

01:17:51.740 This is so fun.

01:17:52.420 I love y'all.

01:17:53.080 You're amazing.

01:17:53.760 And I know probably everyone and their mom is already following you.

01:17:56.860 But if you don't already, where can everybody find you?

01:17:59.820 Our podcast is pretty basic.

01:18:01.380 We just started season six.

01:18:03.860 Yes.

01:18:04.220 Oh, my gosh.

01:18:04.740 How exciting.

01:18:05.480 In February.

01:18:06.600 I'm maybe soon.

01:18:08.120 Next month we'll be doing season six.

01:18:09.340 Yes.

01:18:09.720 I'm like, whatever you're seeing this.

01:18:11.020 Yeah.

01:18:11.860 Yeah.

01:18:12.340 And then Alicia Marie on all my stuff.

01:18:14.020 And I am Miss Remy Ashton and Remy Cruz.

01:18:16.960 Period.

01:18:17.700 Very exciting.

01:18:18.320 Make sure if you don't already, I'm sure all of you do.

01:18:20.280 But if you don't, for some reason, make sure y'all follow them on everything.

01:18:23.600 And stream their podcast.

01:18:25.160 Pretty basic.

01:18:26.280 It's amazing.

01:18:27.060 And you guys have great guests, too.

01:18:28.680 And you soon on.

01:18:30.040 Soon to be you.

01:18:30.340 Soon to be me.

01:18:30.900 Yes.

01:18:31.200 Season six.

01:18:31.960 Period.

01:18:32.520 You guys heard it.

01:18:33.140 They can't take it back.

01:18:35.080 Okay.

01:18:35.540 Do you guys have anything else you want to promote at all?

01:18:38.120 We're such bad influencers that we're like, huh?

01:18:40.300 No, I'm good.

01:18:41.180 Okay.

01:18:41.580 Go watch Cooking with Remy.

01:18:43.040 Oh, thank you so much.

01:18:44.540 Thank you.

01:18:45.320 Thank you all so much for tuning in to this episode of the Comment Section Show.

01:18:49.260 Don't forget, new episodes drop every Wednesday.

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01:18:58.260 Thank you all so much for joining us for this episode.

01:19:00.000 Thank you to Remy and Alicia for being amazing guests.

01:19:02.900 And I'll see you next week.

01:19:03.920 Bye.

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THE BAR IS IN HELL ft. Remi Cruz and Alisha Marie

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