The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - THE OCEAN HEALED MY RABIES Ft. Rainn Wilson

00:00:00.000 I will say it was so much fun driving in L.A. during COVID.

00:00:03.040 It wasn't.

00:00:04.160 Because no one was on the freeway.

00:00:05.680 That's true.

00:00:07.580 20 minutes, I'm in Glendale.

00:00:09.160 Hey, now I'm in Long Beach.

00:00:11.280 Woo.

00:00:11.860 God, it must have been so nice.

00:00:13.440 Yeah.

00:00:13.760 Bring it back.

00:00:14.780 The traffic in L.A. is truly heinous.

00:00:16.940 We need a new plague.

00:00:18.420 I do.

00:00:25.480 Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of The Comment

00:00:28.280 Section Show, starring me, your fave, everybody knows me,

00:00:30.560 who cares about me.

00:00:31.380 On to the guests.

00:00:32.580 Today, we have the iconic, the hilarious, the legendary,

00:00:35.840 Rainn Wilson.

00:00:37.160 Woo.

00:00:39.180 It's me.

00:00:40.000 Enough about me.

00:00:40.680 Everyone knows me.

00:00:43.560 That sounds really familiar.

00:00:45.100 People recently have been calling me as a compliment.

00:00:49.120 They're like, you don't understand, bro.

00:00:51.280 You're legend.

00:00:52.620 You're legend.

00:00:53.780 It's like, I'm not 87.

00:00:56.140 Do you know what I mean?

00:00:56.700 I'm like, I'm not ready for my in-memoriam Oscars montage.

00:01:02.040 They're writing your obituary already.

00:01:03.300 But legend sounds like I'm old, washed up,

00:01:05.880 like I was in television in the 50s or something.

00:01:08.840 Like you were Tom Brady or something.

00:01:10.520 Wah, wah. 0.95

00:01:10.920 Or no, Greg Brady.

00:01:11.760 That's what I'm thinking of.

00:01:12.540 Greg Brady.

00:01:13.200 Greg Brady.

00:01:13.440 Tom Brady.

00:01:14.580 Different.

00:01:15.160 Yeah.

00:01:15.740 Different vibes.

00:01:16.620 But thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:01:18.380 It's an honor to have you.

00:01:19.860 It is.

00:01:20.780 It is.

00:01:21.140 And I'm a huge fan of you.

00:01:22.400 It is an honor for you to have me.

00:01:24.080 Imagine if I had no idea who you were.

00:01:25.660 I was like, they tell me you're great.

00:01:27.680 I'm inclined to believe them.

00:01:29.500 That would be awkward.

00:01:31.140 That would be really uncomfortable.

00:01:32.420 I'm thrilled to be here.

00:01:33.420 You're doing amazing stuff.

00:01:34.580 I love the conversations you have.

00:01:36.060 Thank you.

00:01:36.340 You're mixing it up.

00:01:37.320 Yeah.

00:01:37.520 You're poking the bee's nest.

00:01:39.220 Yeah.

00:01:39.620 You're making the world a better place.

00:01:41.720 Hopefully.

00:01:42.320 You're pissing some people off along the way.

00:01:44.180 And charming a whole lot of others.

00:01:45.940 So I'm here.

00:01:46.820 Thank you.

00:01:47.200 I'm in it to win it.

00:01:48.260 Thanks.

00:01:48.800 Let's do this. 0.99

00:01:49.480 I really like going into that hornet's nest and just kind of kicking shit around. 0.99

00:01:53.140 See what happens. 0.99

00:01:54.100 I've noticed that.

00:01:54.940 I love it.

00:01:55.800 Yeah.

00:01:56.500 Well, I'm honored to have you.

00:01:57.800 I'm a huge fan.

00:01:58.840 Oh, thanks.

00:01:59.340 Of you as a thespian and also as an activist.

00:02:02.900 I know you're a huge activist as well.

00:02:04.420 Which I genuinely very much so appreciate.

00:02:07.100 Right on.

00:02:07.500 So I would love to know.

00:02:09.240 I know, obviously, I know your lore.

00:02:11.320 But just for those that don't, obviously, I'm sure most people know you as Dwight Schrute

00:02:14.940 from The Office, which is a star role for you.

00:02:18.440 But I would love to know what else you got going on outside of acting.

00:02:23.120 I'm on the comments section.

00:02:24.700 I've made it.

00:02:25.820 Are you kidding me?

00:02:26.760 And now you can retire and call yourself a legend.

00:02:29.340 I'm a I've achieved legend status.

00:02:31.740 This might get me my star on the Hollywood Boulevard.

00:02:35.500 Oh, you can cuss. 1.00

00:02:36.260 You can cuss all you want. 1.00

00:02:36.880 Oh, I can?

00:02:37.440 Absolutely.

00:02:38.040 You can.

00:02:38.280 Really?

00:02:38.880 Yeah.

00:02:39.320 I didn't know Spotify allows that.

00:02:41.580 Yeah.

00:02:42.240 Spotify is super cool with it.

00:02:43.440 OK.

00:02:43.840 I mean, if they weren't, they did a really poor job buying me.

00:02:47.240 How about this? 1.00

00:02:47.260 Fuck you, Spotify. 1.00

00:02:48.980 Well, see, now you're putting my job in jeopardy. 1.00

00:02:50.960 Uh-oh.

00:02:51.420 One of my many.

00:02:52.360 See, I'm pushing the envelope.

00:02:53.920 Yeah, see.

00:02:55.500 What am I working on?

00:02:56.620 I got like.

00:02:57.000 Yes, what you got going on?

00:02:58.660 I'm kind of joining your world.

00:03:00.340 I've got a new podcast empire I'm building.

00:03:03.320 Soul Boom, based on a book that I wrote.

00:03:05.540 And this podcast, it's on YouTube and other platforms and whatnot.

00:03:09.640 And having deep, meaningful, probing, interesting, rebellious, soul-changing, life-changing conversations.

00:03:19.500 Yeah.

00:03:20.020 As being done by a former sitcom actor.

00:03:22.820 So that's weird.

00:03:24.240 Hey, I mean, I'm a formerly disgraced, fired NFL worker.

00:03:28.880 And now look at me.

00:03:29.520 Yeah, you're telling me about that.

00:03:30.820 Maybe that's.

00:03:31.420 Why did they fire you?

00:03:33.380 I mean, I still don't know.

00:03:35.020 Maybe they'll tell me eventually.

00:03:36.740 Wow.

00:03:37.500 But yeah, it just didn't work out.

00:03:39.340 Like, they restructured and laid me off after like nine months, nine-ish, ten months.

00:03:44.500 Wow.

00:03:45.100 But I was very unhappy working there.

00:03:47.420 But isn't it great how like one door closes, another opens?

00:03:50.820 Absolutely.

00:03:51.100 Like, at the time, you were probably like, oh, devastated.

00:03:53.420 It was like devastating, yeah.

00:03:55.300 Absolutely.

00:03:56.060 And I've had that so much.

00:03:58.360 Do you have time for a story?

00:03:59.560 Can I tell a story?

00:04:00.100 Please, yeah.

00:04:00.360 Tell as many as you want.

00:04:01.300 Okay.

00:04:01.800 We're here for you.

00:04:02.520 I'm going to have 15 stories.

00:04:03.900 Here's number one.

00:04:04.600 And I got, when I was a young actor, I came out of acting school.

00:04:09.760 A couple years later, I was cast in a Broadway show.

00:04:13.280 Oh, wow.

00:04:13.780 This was a huge opportunity for me.

00:04:16.200 Yeah, absolutely.

00:04:16.540 And I got so tense and nervous for being in this Broadway show that I sucked in it.

00:04:22.260 Long story short, I just was really bad.

00:04:24.020 I was self-conscious and doubting myself and trying to like control the performance and

00:04:28.980 hoping people would like me.

00:04:30.440 I bombed.

00:04:31.360 I got bad reviews.

00:04:32.600 I finished it.

00:04:33.820 I fired my agents. 1.00

00:04:35.380 And I was just like, fuck it. 1.00

00:04:37.480 I am never going through that again. 1.00

00:04:39.480 I'm not going to be this people-pleasing actor that I think other people want me to be.

00:04:47.280 I'm just going to be me.

00:04:48.440 I'm naturally just weird and offbeat.

00:04:51.280 And I have to have an authentic voice.

00:04:53.420 Totally.

00:04:53.840 But it was a nightmare.

00:04:55.000 It was like months.

00:04:55.860 I was sobbing to my wife on the phone.

00:04:58.020 Really?

00:04:58.640 I went through hell.

00:04:59.720 I was like, it was really, really hard.

00:05:02.360 But I'm so grateful for it.

00:05:03.980 Yeah, totally.

00:05:04.480 When I traced Dwight back to the beginning, it's because I sucked in this Broadway play.

00:05:12.780 When I came out of that, I was like, never again am I going to do that.

00:05:15.840 Totally.

00:05:16.180 And that allowed me to kind of be my natural weird self to play roles like Dwight.

00:05:21.580 Yeah.

00:05:22.360 Absolutely.

00:05:23.260 And embrace it.

00:05:24.260 And look what happened when you were able to embrace who you really were meant to be.

00:05:27.640 We go through a little hell and then it actually opens a door and we're actually grateful for that.

00:05:32.560 Are you kind of grateful you were fired?

00:05:33.980 Oh, yeah.

00:05:34.760 I'm so grateful now.

00:05:35.900 I talk about it all the time, especially on here.

00:05:38.560 And even sometimes like a lot of my friends who are really successful creators that have turned their creative, like the niche video content they've made, they've turned it into businesses and they're doing other really successful things.

00:05:50.120 Yeah.

00:05:50.300 A lot of them have been fired too.

00:05:52.180 It's like a catalyst because it's like it really puts you up against the wall kind of thing.

00:05:56.160 Right.

00:05:56.280 When I got fired too, I genuinely was like, what am I going to do?

00:06:00.280 I think because I found this out in therapy, but between the NFL and all the work I did in college, I was just constantly working and working towards that goal specifically.

00:06:09.760 When I got there and I lost it, I felt like I realized then after going to therapy that I tied all of my worth and value to my accomplishments, but more specifically my career.

00:06:19.760 So I was like, okay, if this doesn't work out, then who am I?

00:06:23.260 I'm like, I'm not, I'm nobody without this.

00:06:25.460 I still suffer from that though.

00:06:27.060 Yeah, same.

00:06:27.760 So I'm in my 50s and I still get so much of my self-esteem from whether I'm working or not as an actor.

00:06:38.040 Especially in entertainment, yeah.

00:06:39.180 Yeah, and it's just crazy.

00:06:40.620 Like why can't I just feel so good about myself?

00:06:43.560 And proud, especially of you, of the legacy that you have in the entertainment world.

00:06:47.420 But also like this awesome body and just like all everything I'm working with.

00:06:50.720 The hot bod, I didn't want to say it.

00:06:51.900 I'm glad you brought it up, elephant in the room.

00:06:53.560 That's my DJ name, DJ Dad Bod.

00:06:57.560 Is it?

00:07:00.700 DJing is one of those things where I feel like I look at it with no knowledge at all and I feel like I could master it.

00:07:07.520 Just give me 10 minutes.

00:07:08.740 I think you could take like a 15 minute lesson on like YouTube and you could be a professional DJ.

00:07:15.380 Me on the ones and twos?

00:07:16.360 Yeah. 0.66

00:07:16.660 I'd be killing it. 0.99

00:07:17.540 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:17.940 I would be hired all over.

00:07:18.980 I'd be like, guys, I'm so busy, I can't.

00:07:20.740 Sorry.

00:07:20.960 There was a great Saturday Night Live sketch from like six or seven years ago where, and

00:07:25.920 I think it was Andy Samberg where they were like being, I forget what it was, but they

00:07:29.600 were just being DJs and just doing like that. 0.99

00:07:33.460 And just getting bags of money, just giant sacks of money for doing shit. 0.90

00:07:40.960 If I start DJing though, I want to be like a run DMC DJ. 0.94

00:07:44.780 Like an OG one where I'm scratching the records and everyone's getting annoyed at me because

00:07:49.040 I'm like, I'm doing too many of them.

00:07:50.900 Right.

00:07:51.420 But I'm so skillful they have to keep hiring me.

00:07:53.720 That's my goal.

00:07:54.620 If this doesn't work out, pivoting to a DJ.

00:07:57.200 Vegas sacks of money.

00:07:58.660 Yeah.

00:07:59.040 I'm going to get a high and tight haircut, wear like a way too tight white t-shirt.

00:08:03.660 I'm going to go DJing Vegas.

00:08:05.140 I'm going to pick up a residency at the Wynn.

00:08:06.720 Who's the guy with the mouse head?

00:08:09.440 Deadmau, I think.

00:08:10.260 Yeah.

00:08:10.680 Yeah.

00:08:11.320 There's him in like Marshmallow.

00:08:12.640 A Marshmallow head.

00:08:13.820 Like I would want to just do a man. 0.99

00:08:15.600 A big head.

00:08:16.620 What would yours be?

00:08:17.480 It would be a Dwight Schrute head.

00:08:20.060 And then they would have no idea.

00:08:21.560 Because no one would suspect that it's Rainn Wilson under the giant Dwight Schrute foam

00:08:26.240 head going.

00:08:26.820 That's a genius.

00:08:29.940 That's genius.

00:08:31.560 Yeah.

00:08:32.000 I'll also do a Dwight Schrute head.

00:08:33.960 And we're built so similarly, I feel like they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

00:08:36.660 They would never tell.

00:08:37.400 They could never tell.

00:08:38.760 I always thought about dressing up completely 100% as Dwight and going trick or treating.

00:08:43.980 And because no one would ever think like.

00:08:47.980 No, never.

00:08:48.740 The actor.

00:08:49.520 There's no way.

00:08:50.180 No, they would literally think like, wow, you look.

00:08:52.020 It's going to be like, oh, that's an older Dwight Schrute.

00:08:55.700 Trick or treating.

00:08:56.720 He has an older take on it.

00:08:58.860 Yeah.

00:08:59.240 Yeah.

00:08:59.600 Yeah.

00:09:00.220 I would love to ask you about The Office if you're cool with it.

00:09:03.220 I don't know if you're super, super bored and over it.

00:09:06.440 Sick of it.

00:09:07.460 Sick of it.

00:09:08.540 Hate hearing about it.

00:09:09.320 Sure.

00:09:09.420 Before we get into that, we'll do bits first.

00:09:12.480 Y'all, this is our new bit that we've introduced.

00:09:14.560 We're workshopping it.

00:09:15.560 Okay?

00:09:16.060 Consider it a tight two episode thing.

00:09:18.100 You've bit-troduced.

00:09:19.500 Yes.

00:09:19.940 Get it?

00:09:20.060 So we're each going to pick a little line and then we don't read them to each other.

00:09:26.080 And at some point or another, we're going to work it into the conversation.

00:09:29.780 And they are very strange bits from what I understand from my very talented producer,

00:09:36.060 Amanda.

00:09:36.540 Okay.

00:09:37.680 Let us, let's look.

00:09:39.460 What's T in here?

00:09:41.780 You've got a long one.

00:09:43.840 Oh, yeah.

00:09:44.400 That's what she said.

00:09:47.200 It's a real hat in the hat.

00:09:48.800 You making that, that's what she said joke. 0.96

00:09:50.560 Did that joke come from The Office?

00:09:52.180 No, no, no.

00:09:52.980 Okay, I didn't think so.

00:09:53.740 We were making that joke in like the 70s.

00:09:55.620 Okay, I thought so.

00:09:56.180 The Office like perfected it.

00:09:58.220 I see.

00:09:58.700 I found that it was a perfect synchronicity between Michael Scott and having like an adolescent

00:10:05.440 juvenile sense of humor.

00:10:07.080 Totally.

00:10:08.300 And kind of reinventing it for the modern age.

00:10:10.880 I was curious.

00:10:11.860 I was curious if that, you know what's funny is when I first started watching The Office,

00:10:15.780 that was when Netflix was on CDs.

00:10:18.100 So my parents and I would just order, they would order all the seasons that were out at

00:10:22.080 the time and they would have the CDs mailed to the house and we'd put them in the TV.

00:10:25.780 That's hysterical.

00:10:27.100 Yeah.

00:10:27.300 I'm an old man like you.

00:10:28.700 Yeah.

00:10:29.720 Yeah.

00:10:30.440 Two old men together.

00:10:31.560 We'll be DJing together.

00:10:33.120 Together both in big Dwight Shrew heads.

00:10:35.080 Yeah.

00:10:35.440 Perfect.

00:10:35.940 They'll never be able to tell the difference.

00:10:37.440 Yeah.

00:10:37.740 But I would love to ask you about The Office.

00:10:39.860 Just more specifically about your character because it was something that was so different

00:10:44.080 from what was being seen on television.

00:10:46.440 The character, the aura, the enigma that is Dwight Shrew.

00:10:48.960 And I'm curious how much of that was you, like improv, and how much of it was writing, and was it just a perfect blend?

00:10:56.240 Very curious.

00:10:56.860 Well, there's so many ways to answer that question.

00:11:01.320 I mean, first of all, we had this amazing template of the British office.

00:11:04.760 Yes.

00:11:05.120 They only made like 12 episodes.

00:11:06.600 But Mackenzie Crook, who played Gareth on that show, it was very different than Dwight, but did a lot of similar things.

00:11:17.460 And it was great to be able to watch his magnificent work and like basically like steal some good bits from him.

00:11:25.520 Like, oh, like one thing I love the way that he did is he would say the most absurd things, the most absurd sentences known to man with just absolute sincerity whatsoever.

00:11:36.260 There was no like wink that this is a joke.

00:11:39.360 And he did that so beautifully.

00:11:42.940 Yeah.

00:11:42.960 Like I just took that.

00:11:44.420 Totally.

00:11:44.700 You know, we wanted Dwight to be a farmer, have a farmer background, because I had grandparents that were farmers.

00:11:53.060 Greg Daniels, the showrunner, he had grandparents that were farmers.

00:11:56.040 That's cool.

00:11:57.580 And then I, you know, the Dungeons and Dragons stuff was, you know, I brought that in.

00:12:03.540 That was part of my background.

00:12:05.080 Yeah.

00:12:05.340 And like, you know, I did a lot of work kind of physically.

00:12:09.540 I actually, in acting school, we studied clowning a lot.

00:12:13.880 Really?

00:12:14.140 Like, not like Ringling Brothers, like big floppy feet falling down with pies, clowns, but like clowning kind of like, you know, like Borat as a clown character.

00:12:25.420 Like how do you create a, you know, a character that's a little larger than life, but fits into the real world and has kind of very physically, you know, minded. 0.99

00:12:34.680 And so I thought about Dwight in a lot of ways as the, you know, the self-serious, officious clown who was also kind of a stuck up, a kiss ass. 0.99

00:12:46.840 Like his ass. 1.00

00:12:47.400 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:47.840 You know?

00:12:48.300 Yeah.

00:12:48.560 So it was, it's a melange of a lot of things.

00:12:51.380 The writers threw in great stuff and I did some physical work and Mackenzie Crook had his take.

00:12:57.680 And so it all, it's a melange.

00:13:02.440 What was your, like, I guess, like favorite part of filming it other than just, you know, the success of it and getting to, like, work on a show with people you love and everything?

00:13:11.740 Like, was there anything that stood out that you're like, I wish I, if I could go back and re-experience that feeling, I would want to.

00:13:18.920 Like, was it an episode or maybe something that happened?

00:13:21.340 You know, you kind of touched on it in the introduction.

00:13:25.020 Like, one of the things, like, I didn't appreciate enough while we were doing it was, like, how groundbreaking it was.

00:13:30.580 Yeah.

00:13:31.440 And at the time, there were a lot of, like, big, bright, splashy, multi-camera sitcoms.

00:13:37.060 Totally.

00:13:37.220 Like, Friends on the Air.

00:13:38.300 Yeah.

00:13:38.720 And then we came in and it was kind of very low-key, weird-looking actors.

00:13:42.760 Yeah.

00:13:43.020 You know, fluorescent lights and really odd verbal humor that wasn't quite jokes.

00:13:49.260 And there's never quite a joke in the office.

00:13:51.300 It's just, like, odd, funny characters and funny situations.

00:13:54.660 Totally.

00:13:55.380 Yeah.

00:13:55.500 So I kind of wish I had leaned into that more and appreciated that more, you know, especially what the writers were doing.

00:14:04.000 Yeah.

00:14:04.460 I mean, honestly, because The Office is, like, a comfort show of mine, so that's one that I, like, watch when I, like, want to watch something.

00:14:10.020 Did you steal the DVDs from Netflix back in the day?

00:14:12.140 I didn't.

00:14:12.400 I wish I did.

00:14:13.200 They'd be relics now.

00:14:14.260 Yeah.

00:14:14.440 I'd be a millionaire.

00:14:15.400 Yeah.

00:14:15.700 Off your guys' backs.

00:14:16.880 I would have sold them easily.

00:14:18.600 Anyways, that's besides the point.

00:14:20.120 Enough about my side business.

00:14:22.120 But I think when I watch it, like, the humor is just, like, the writing in that show is just unbelievable.

00:14:28.460 Like, even when I watch it now as, like, an adult.

00:14:30.640 Yeah.

00:14:30.820 When I watch it as a teen, I just thought it was super funny, which it still is now.

00:14:34.220 Yeah.

00:14:34.400 But just the writing is unbelievable.

00:14:36.480 Like, the layers to each episode is just the jokes.

00:14:40.120 The layers to the jokes that are written in that show are just, to this day, some of my favorite things I've ever seen on television.

00:14:45.280 And I think one thing that people really, the reason it's kind of stood the test of time is that there's, you can watch an episode three times, and on the fourth viewing, see a whole new, like, reactions.

00:14:56.220 And hear little lines that you're like, oh, my God, I had never even picked up on that before.

00:15:01.260 Yeah.

00:15:01.400 You know, little Easter eggs and stuff like that.

00:15:04.120 Yeah.

00:15:04.240 Like, running bits throughout the seasons.

00:15:06.500 Yeah.

00:15:06.640 I told my boyfriend this literally probably, like, a couple weeks ago, but one of my favorite running bits is how Michael is, like, the way he eats is really gross.

00:15:15.420 It's not something that's ever focused on.

00:15:17.580 It's just, like, in passing, she's like, how many Filet-O-Fishes did you order?

00:15:22.020 And he's like, you know what?

00:15:22.680 Never mind.

00:15:23.180 Give me that.

00:15:23.960 It's just little bits, like, from season one all the way till the end.

00:15:27.000 Right.

00:15:27.320 It's little things, like, those are my favorite kinds of jokes.

00:15:29.660 I just, I'm a big, big fan.

00:15:31.180 That's great.

00:15:31.740 Huge fan.

00:15:32.180 But I would love to talk about Soul Boom now.

00:15:34.160 Soul Boom.

00:15:34.640 Because I do know, I did watch clips from your episode with Serge Tankian, which I think is incredible.

00:15:40.480 Yeah.

00:15:40.780 So incredibly fun and awesome.

00:15:42.100 But I would love to hear more about why you started Soul Boom and why, like, what your goal was and all that.

00:15:48.140 Drew, I'm trying to change the world.

00:15:49.980 I'm literally trying to change the world.

00:15:51.640 One break at a time.

00:15:52.400 I'm not even kidding.

00:15:52.840 I'm not even kidding you.

00:15:54.260 So I wrote this book, Soul Boom, Why We Need a Spiritual Revolution.

00:15:57.900 Totally.

00:15:58.240 Because I felt like there were a lot of spiritual tools.

00:16:00.920 And I'm talking to anyone who, you can have a faith, you can not have a faith, you can be Christian, you can be Muslim, you can be Buddhist, you can be spiritually curious.

00:16:10.100 But in the land, in the world of spirituality, there are tools that can make our lives better and that can make the world better.

00:16:18.440 Totally.

00:16:19.340 People think of spirituality sometimes as, like, I'm going to do a little meditation and it's going to reduce my anxiety.

00:16:24.900 And that's important.

00:16:26.020 It's a very small piece of it.

00:16:27.900 Yeah, that's a small piece.

00:16:28.800 There's a lot more to it than that.

00:16:30.380 Totally, totally.

00:16:30.920 So these kind of, like, I've always loved working with these big ideas.

00:16:35.320 I had a media company back in the day called Soul Pancake.

00:16:38.800 And we did a lot of digital content on YouTube and stuff.

00:16:42.280 And I've always been interested in kind of big ideas and, you know, challenging people.

00:16:47.200 That's why I wanted to come on this show.

00:16:49.040 And, you know, we're on the verge of, like, the most contentious, bitter, disruptive, disunified election, like, in American history.

00:16:59.620 Yeah.

00:16:59.840 And people are at each other's throats.

00:17:02.380 There's so much, you know, dissension.

00:17:04.800 And we need tools to heal.

00:17:08.960 Totally.

00:17:09.240 And so those are the kind of conversations that I want to have on Soul Boom, you know, and be having, and we are having on Soul Boom, the podcast.

00:17:16.520 And it's anyone from, like, stand-up comics to from, like, Whitney Cummings to Neil Brennan and, you know, Bobby Lee.

00:17:22.860 She's been on the show, too.

00:17:23.740 And, yeah, and to, like, academicians, theologians, you know, deep thinkers, meditation teachers, like, and everyone in between, you know, but kind of having that conversation of, like, how do we, as humans, do a better job?

00:17:41.660 And, like, move forward.

00:17:42.660 And move forward.

00:17:43.300 And heal.

00:17:43.740 And heal.

00:17:44.500 Totally.

00:17:45.140 Yeah.

00:17:45.400 I think that's beautiful.

00:17:46.540 And change systems.

00:17:48.220 Absolutely.

00:17:48.620 Change systems that are racist and sexist and materialistic and unjust in their DNA and how do we kind of look at kind of big picture stuff.

00:18:01.900 Totally.

00:18:02.760 Not just kind of passing some legislation here and there, but rethinking how we kind of do everything.

00:18:08.300 Yeah, and how we see the world and perspective and all of that.

00:18:11.340 I think that's beautiful.

00:18:12.160 And I'm indigenous.

00:18:13.840 Like, I'm Samoan, so my family's Polynesian.

00:18:15.980 And so we, there's a lot of spirituality in my culture and there's a lot of connection to our ancestors and there's a lot of beliefs and ideologies that we hold.

00:18:25.640 And I feel like a lot of times people ask me, like, how I became this way.

00:18:30.280 Like, someone who goes and antagonizes men on purpose for a living.

00:18:35.460 It's a, you know, really long story.

00:18:37.780 But, I mean, a lot of times I tell people a big, I think a big factor and that is my culture and how I was raised because prior to being, my culture being colonized, like, we didn't adhere to a gender binary.

00:18:48.720 So there was multiple genders and there was no gender roles or anything like that. 0.99

00:18:52.360 But the very genesis of my culture, it's matriarchal. 1.00

00:18:55.420 And so that's how I was raised.

00:18:57.080 That's the family and the environment I was raised in.

00:18:59.460 And so my viewpoints and my perspective on the world is completely different from a lot of other people, I think.

00:19:05.460 And that was made obvious when I started making TikToks.

00:19:08.980 So, like, when I started making videos and showing why I think the way I do, why I move the way I do in life, I think that's why a lot of people started gravitating towards me. 0.72

00:19:16.680 Because they were like, well, actually, I kind of fuck with that perspective.

00:19:19.800 I think that's cool. 0.98

00:19:20.520 And so they started following me.

00:19:22.580 And then, obviously, me just absolutely swinging on men unsuspecting was a big sell, too.

00:19:28.460 So I won't downplay that part.

00:19:29.680 But that's not what you do.

00:19:30.180 That's an unfair, that's an unfair.

00:19:32.500 It's a real crude description.

00:19:33.720 It's a crude description.

00:19:35.140 You're taking on kind of, I hate to use the, I hate the phrase toxic masculinity, but kind of like the kind of masculinity that's making our world a worse place.

00:19:48.480 Totally.

00:19:48.720 And you're taking it on.

00:19:50.640 Fearlessly.

00:19:51.520 And good.

00:19:52.440 You should.

00:19:53.360 100%.

00:19:54.000 Yeah, I think it's very interesting when I, especially because there are many, contrary to popular belief online, there are many straight men who do actually really like my content and enjoy my mission.

00:20:06.960 Reign is one of them, obviously.

00:20:08.940 Sign me up.

00:20:09.800 And so I have a boyfriend that I've been with this year, seven years.

00:20:13.380 So there are many men in my personal life and everything who understand what it is I'm doing.

00:20:18.640 And even when I've told people, you know, however someone chooses to respond to oppression or bigotry of any kind is not up to me.

00:20:27.520 Like if something's happening to somebody else and they're being actively oppressed, it's not my, it's not up to me to decide what's the proper way for them to respond.

00:20:36.240 And so some people respond with love.

00:20:38.800 Some people ignore it.

00:20:40.080 And some people get mad.

00:20:41.140 And I'm one of the people who gets mad.

00:20:42.500 So I think that there should be space for all of us to react however it is we feel suits us best.

00:20:49.880 And some men just really hate the anger part.

00:20:53.000 So they would prefer I do it another way.

00:20:55.580 But I was like, but you don't listen either way.

00:20:57.260 So I might as well swing.

00:20:58.560 I mean, you use anger as a kind of cultural criticism and you do it in a smart way, in a way that provokes change and is exciting.

00:21:07.780 So, you know, I think it's great.

00:21:09.720 Thank you.

00:21:10.300 I appreciate that.

00:21:11.320 And for when you're talking about Soul Boom and like you're the guests that you've had, like what are what are some standout episodes to you that really maybe gave you a new perspective, maybe helped you think a little bit harder?

00:21:22.700 The upcoming Drew F. Wallow episode I'm really excited about.

00:21:28.520 Well, you're welcome in advance.

00:21:32.280 I'm going to do you a big favor.

00:21:33.560 So I'll be calling that in soon.

00:21:35.940 Yeah.

00:21:36.600 Yeah.

00:21:38.400 I mean, I mean, what can I, you know, I don't know.

00:21:41.660 There's it's I love all of I love all of my babies.

00:21:45.040 I love all my children.

00:21:46.120 Equally.

00:21:46.280 But, you know, I've always just been the guy that always wants to go for the deepest possible conversation and human interaction.

00:21:54.860 I love that.

00:21:55.280 You know, I'm I remember going like on dates when I was 16 and being like, so do you believe in God?

00:22:01.400 Like and the girl. 0.99

00:22:02.660 Damn, you're one of those. 1.00

00:22:03.560 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:03.860 And they just want out of there like, what do you think happens when we die?

00:22:07.020 You know, and so, you know, that's freaked people out.

00:22:11.640 And now I get to do it and and and get lots of people watching and have some have some jokes along the way and have a good time.

00:22:19.480 So, you know, we've had you know, we've had bestselling authors like Arthur Brooks and Jonathan Haidt.

00:22:24.620 And we've had, you know, stand up comics, like I said, and there's going to be, you know, actors and and and and weirdos and people that folks have never heard of.

00:22:34.720 And then people that are gigantic celebrities like me, like obviously, obviously.

00:22:41.640 What's your name again?

00:22:43.780 You should really know the name of the host of the show.

00:22:45.600 You guess I should.

00:22:46.620 That's a tip.

00:22:47.460 I should.

00:22:47.940 Feel free to take that. 0.92

00:22:48.640 The problem is ever since I got rabies a few months ago, seriously, it's screwed.

00:22:53.880 It's getting really hard.

00:22:54.820 It's screwed with my memory.

00:22:56.080 Yeah.

00:22:56.640 The rabies is really getting to you.

00:22:58.620 It's eating at your frontal lobe.

00:22:59.840 Yeah.

00:23:00.180 Or is it like venom?

00:23:01.600 You know, venom.

00:23:02.320 He like sits in there in your pocket.

00:23:03.820 Am I supposed to say when I used my thing?

00:23:06.600 I'm assuming that's your bit.

00:23:08.080 OK.

00:23:08.440 Or was I supposed to, like, let it go and pretend like and anyways.

00:23:14.180 All right.

00:23:14.680 We're workshopping.

00:23:15.280 It's all right.

00:23:15.660 We'll figure it out.

00:23:16.000 We're workshopping new bits.

00:23:16.360 I didn't get part two.

00:23:17.580 I don't know.

00:23:19.680 Yeah.

00:23:22.200 What was I going to say?

00:23:23.400 We got thrown off about the rabies thing.

00:23:26.020 Well, I'm sorry to hear about your rabies.

00:23:27.540 That's really unfortunate for you.

00:23:28.880 But I'm excited to have you on Soul Boom, too.

00:23:31.700 Me, too.

00:23:32.180 I'm excited to go.

00:23:32.760 What do you want to talk about?

00:23:34.380 I don't know.

00:23:35.040 You want me to do your show, too?

00:23:36.680 Yeah.

00:23:37.000 You want me to come up with the idea for yours also?

00:23:38.920 Yeah.

00:23:39.260 Could you?

00:23:40.120 God, OK.

00:23:40.840 I'll work on it.

00:23:41.560 Can we do your bit on my show?

00:23:43.360 Sure.

00:23:43.720 Yeah.

00:23:44.280 Let's do it.

00:23:44.880 TM.

00:23:45.320 Actually, TM.

00:23:46.880 TM.

00:23:47.380 Well, I'll pay a licensing fee.

00:23:49.480 Yeah.

00:23:49.560 There we go.

00:23:50.160 Some royalties.

00:23:51.100 Yeah.

00:23:51.340 That's all right.

00:23:51.740 I'll take those.

00:23:52.440 Right on.

00:23:52.800 I'm sure you get lots of views.

00:23:53.800 I'll take those easily.

00:23:54.600 I think that there's so many things that divide us.

00:24:01.500 And the thing that mostly unites us is the fact that we are all spiritual beings having

00:24:08.120 a human experience.

00:24:10.180 And that can be we're in different bodies.

00:24:12.440 We're different ages.

00:24:13.340 We're different ethnicities.

00:24:15.300 We're all kinds of different genders.

00:24:18.160 And that commonality, the fact that we all have big beating hearts, that we all love,

00:24:24.540 that we all have fears, this can be what unites us.

00:24:29.240 And it doesn't have to be in some kind of like hippy-dippy, kumbaya kind of way.

00:24:33.060 It can be much more real than that.

00:24:36.080 But we've got to find ways to kind of come together and pull together.

00:24:40.560 Totally.

00:24:41.360 Do you believe in like spirits and stuff?

00:24:43.860 Good and bad?

00:24:45.140 Do I believe in spirits, good and bad?

00:24:47.600 Like, do I believe like there's like spirits that inhabit things and stuff like that?

00:24:52.040 Yeah, just that they exist and they can show you signs or they can point you in directions.

00:24:57.640 I will say I definitely believe in God.

00:25:00.360 And I don't believe that God is some kind of like old guy with a beard.

00:25:06.100 Imagine if you were God.

00:25:07.580 What if you took off the Dwight Schrute head and it was God instead?

00:25:10.140 It was God.

00:25:10.560 Then what?

00:25:12.380 What if you went to the pearly gates and God was a DJ?

00:25:15.060 Then what?

00:25:16.120 What if I dress like Dwight Schrute and put a God head on spinning, take off the God head, 0.62

00:25:22.500 and it's Dwight Schrute is God.

00:25:24.480 There you go.

00:25:25.400 TM.

00:25:26.060 Don't no one take that.

00:25:27.200 Tell the wind to get ready.

00:25:28.080 Wait a minute.

00:25:28.500 You just got the TM?

00:25:29.580 Is that all you have to do is say the word TM and then you get the trademark?

00:25:32.380 That's my understanding of trademarking, yes.

00:25:34.000 So I believe that there is a gigantic, all-loving, all-pervasive cosmic force that's within us and without us

00:25:41.360 and manifests itself in all kinds of different ways, including through nature.

00:25:44.700 Love.

00:25:45.060 Love.

00:25:45.300 And that our souls, when we get rid of our physical bodies and they decay, our soul or

00:25:54.080 spirit or that spiritual element of ourselves continues a very mysterious journey.

00:25:59.700 Can we commune with past selves and with ancestors?

00:26:05.360 Absolutely.

00:26:06.240 I believe that.

00:26:07.940 So do I think that there is a spirit in this?

00:26:11.280 You know, I don't know.

00:26:12.500 That I don't quite know, but I'm open to it.

00:26:16.080 You know, the universe, the multiverse is a very mysterious place.

00:26:19.300 I know.

00:26:19.700 I think I agree with that, too.

00:26:21.160 And I think everything that you said, honestly, I agree with.

00:26:24.300 And I'm also, like I said, indigenous, so we do believe in spirits a lot.

00:26:27.600 And, like, they manifest in very different ways in different cultures.

00:26:31.100 And, I mean, I'm currently in a book club where we're studying spirituality and also witchcraft

00:26:36.820 a little bit, but just a little.

00:26:39.220 So, like, 80% spirituality, 20% witchcraft?

00:26:42.440 There you go.

00:26:42.980 Yeah.

00:26:43.180 That's about our workflow balance.

00:26:45.040 Well, I will say that from what I've read and about a lot of indigenous cultures is, like,

00:26:51.180 polytheism is not what people think it is.

00:26:54.460 Like, polytheism isn't kind of like, oh, I worship this waterfall or I worship this tree

00:27:00.820 or I worship the god of the wind or whatever.

00:27:03.740 It's like all of these different elements are reflection of one kind of divine reality.

00:27:09.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:09.680 Absolutely.

00:27:10.400 So they're all different facets and different ways to understand the eternal.

00:27:16.420 Yeah.

00:27:16.680 You know?

00:27:17.140 Totally.

00:27:17.360 You can do it through the sun and through time and through the wind and through the water.

00:27:22.020 Absolutely.

00:27:22.460 And through the seasons.

00:27:23.840 Yeah.

00:27:23.880 You know?

00:27:24.220 Like, it's a way of understanding, you know, the beautiful metaphoric reality of being alive.

00:27:30.240 Absolutely.

00:27:31.080 And I, it's funny, too, because since I'm Polynesian, I feel more, I feel closer to my ancestors

00:27:36.640 when I'm on, like, in Hawaii or, like, any sort of Polynesian island.

00:27:40.640 And so specifically in the ocean, we feel like the ocean is very healing in a lot of

00:27:44.140 ways.

00:27:44.740 And every, any time I've gone, like, back home to Hawaii, because that's another home

00:27:48.720 of mine, if I have any sort of ailment, I'm like, I just need to get in the ocean.

00:27:53.200 Like, when I get in the ocean, I'm going to be healed.

00:27:54.980 I know that for a fact.

00:27:56.440 And, like, one time I had, like, a wisdom tooth got super infected and it, like, ballooned

00:28:01.620 and it gave me the flu and everything.

00:28:03.940 It was horrible.

00:28:04.940 And so it was super, super swollen and painful.

00:28:07.320 But I was like, I really want to go to the beach.

00:28:09.080 So I went and I went in the ocean and it literally went away.

00:28:11.980 That's amazing.

00:28:12.500 Went down almost immediately.

00:28:13.440 But most importantly, I really wish I had saved my rabies for right now.

00:28:20.340 Because I could say I had the same thing.

00:28:22.200 You fired off too soon.

00:28:23.040 I had rabies.

00:28:24.160 I went in the ocean and I was healed.

00:28:27.220 And then you came out a full werewolf.

00:28:29.180 And I could have, it would have been seamless.

00:28:31.640 What if yours was the inverse?

00:28:32.440 You just went full feral instead.

00:28:35.440 I don't think rabies turns you into a werewolf.

00:28:37.640 I think you're getting...

00:28:38.860 Have you tried?

00:28:41.140 Go get rabies and find out.

00:28:43.640 And report back to us.

00:28:44.440 Hook me up.

00:28:45.040 There's a lot of...

00:28:45.860 In that alley, like, right outside that door.

00:28:47.580 Oh, yeah.

00:28:48.400 Yeah, there's a ton.

00:28:49.520 There's some serious vermin.

00:28:51.600 There are some real vermin out there.

00:28:53.160 Viewers, this looks really nice here.

00:28:55.400 This looks really sweet.

00:28:57.580 There's...

00:28:58.100 You have no idea what's outside.

00:29:02.120 That door.

00:29:03.060 That's true.

00:29:04.020 That's true.

00:29:04.420 It's ugly.

00:29:05.400 Whenever we door dash things, if they drop it off back there, someone's like, quick, go

00:29:09.100 get it.

00:29:09.420 Because it gets stolen every time.

00:29:11.200 Every single time.

00:29:11.860 And you don't know if it's stolen by a human.

00:29:13.680 Or an animal.

00:29:14.360 Yeah.

00:29:14.840 Or a lycanthrope.

00:29:16.040 Could have been either, to be honest, out in the sun.

00:29:18.360 How do you know that word, lycanthrope?

00:29:20.020 Because I'm a very smart person, right?

00:29:22.040 I'm not saying you're not a smart person, but I've never heard...

00:29:25.700 This is the first time in my life, 58 years, that someone has used lycanthrope in a sentence.

00:29:30.840 Is that in your thing?

00:29:31.760 Is lycanthrope...

00:29:32.000 No, it's not.

00:29:32.560 It's actually not.

00:29:33.860 Can you...

00:29:34.200 I was just about to make a joke about, can you...

00:29:36.080 I said, believe it or not, that wasn't my bit.

00:29:38.980 That's just a word I got floating around up here.

00:29:40.800 I've never heard anyone say lycanthrope.

00:29:43.520 A lycanthrope?

00:29:44.500 Really?

00:29:44.840 Yeah.

00:29:45.300 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:45.500 Damn. 1.00

00:29:46.040 I just blew your mind. 1.00

00:29:47.060 You did.

00:29:49.280 Blown.

00:29:51.100 Okay.

00:29:51.780 Let's go into the topic for today.

00:29:53.880 Okay.

00:29:54.520 So, for the topic, we're going to be unpacking climate change deniers, undermining scientific facts

00:30:00.520 on TikTok.

00:30:01.020 And I know you're a very passionate climate change activist.

00:30:03.940 I am, yeah.

00:30:04.700 And I've been following you on Instagram for a while, so I do know that.

00:30:07.760 I've known that for a minute.

00:30:08.900 You don't follow me, which is really embarrassing for you, but just something I need to throw

00:30:13.140 in there.

00:30:13.380 Make that happen.

00:30:14.500 Just something I had to throw out there to Rain's team.

00:30:17.440 You're too angry at men all the time.

00:30:21.280 Well, they've turned me into a lycanthrope.

00:30:23.080 That's not my fault.

00:30:24.480 They trigger me.

00:30:25.260 Great callback.

00:30:25.820 They call it a callback.

00:30:27.760 That's called a callback for new people.

00:30:31.400 Okay.

00:30:31.800 So, I'm going to read a couple, describe these TikToks.

00:30:34.080 I just want to set this up by saying I used to just read climate change deniers and send

00:30:41.960 out angry tweets back at them, which, of course, does no good whatsoever.

00:30:46.800 And I realized, hey, if this is something I'm really passionate about, I should probably 0.96

00:30:50.580 fucking do something about it. 0.95

00:30:52.120 So, then after that, I joined the board of this non-profit Arctic Base Camp and worked 0.99

00:30:58.720 with scientists there.

00:30:59.960 We shot a show in Greenland.

00:31:01.880 We've done a bunch of activations, online stuff for media to try and illuminate climate

00:31:08.800 ideas through using media, social media.

00:31:13.700 And the reason that I'm doing this, Drew, is because this is one of the kind of pandemics

00:31:19.600 that's affecting humanity that we have to take a look at.

00:31:22.780 And it's not simply about passing legislation to reduce CO2.

00:31:28.360 That's an important part of it.

00:31:30.500 It's like changing our whole relationship with planet Earth.

00:31:33.180 Yeah.

00:31:33.440 Like, how long as humans are we just going to suck resources out of the planet, chew it

00:31:38.260 up, spit it out, throw the garbage back into the ocean?

00:31:41.540 Yeah.

00:31:41.820 We talked about the sacredness of the ocean.

00:31:43.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:44.120 You know, about the garbage patch in the South Pacific, not far from Samoa.

00:31:47.620 Yeah, literally.

00:31:48.220 And, you know, we have to shift our thinking about climate.

00:31:53.080 It's not just about climate in terms of, like, Democrat versus Republican and what legislation

00:31:58.120 are we passing.

00:31:58.920 Well, capitalism plays a huge role in climate change.

00:32:00.560 It plays a huge role.

00:32:01.700 And that's capitalism.

00:32:02.540 Something else we have to rethink.

00:32:03.800 I'm not saying, like, oh, that means we become, as soon as you say that, people are

00:32:07.360 like, oh, you're a communist.

00:32:08.460 It's like, no.

00:32:09.540 We just need to rethink unchecked greed.

00:32:12.720 How about that?

00:32:13.180 Absolutely.

00:32:13.260 Could we just kind of consider unchecked greed?

00:32:16.040 Yeah, totally.

00:32:16.600 Well, even, like, when you're talking about Polynesia specifically, like, in the Micronesian

00:32:21.280 islands, there are some islands.

00:32:22.700 They have a very historic birth defect rate in Micronesia.

00:32:26.840 And for a long time, they couldn't figure out why.

00:32:29.440 Then they realized it's because a lot of the, some of the islands off the coast of the main

00:32:34.480 islands in Micronesia, because it's a whole bunch of islands in one.

00:32:37.800 But they were doing nuclear testing over there for years.

00:32:41.080 And they absolutely decimated all of their natural resources, including the water.

00:32:45.420 So they already had to leave the island, which they forced them to leave, right, and move 0.90

00:32:49.640 to the other ones, which is overcrowding.

00:32:51.920 And it's just a lot of tension, like, civilly.

00:32:54.640 But on top of that, they live off the land, like most indigenous people do. 1.00

00:32:58.520 So whatever they're farming or pulling from the water is poisoned.

00:33:01.980 And so they had this, that was back in the 60s.

00:33:05.200 And so now, I don't even know, 40, 50, 60 years later, they're realizing it's from that

00:33:10.420 nuclear testing.

00:33:11.360 That's why they have such a historic birth defect rate, which is so upsetting considering

00:33:15.380 how many there are.

00:33:16.460 And their birth defect rate is really, really high.

00:33:18.420 It matches those that are, have populations million times the size.

00:33:22.580 So that's a huge, like, you know, proponent for why climate change is so important, or

00:33:27.600 at least to pay attention to it, at the very least, pay attention and see where you can

00:33:31.680 help and where, what you can do.

00:33:33.620 But huge things like that affect all of us, like literally all of us.

00:33:37.500 Yeah, no doubt.

00:33:38.540 And, you know, I know you're going to read some climate change denier stuff.

00:33:43.000 And it's interesting, because there's no winning an argument.

00:33:47.000 Yeah.

00:33:47.300 Because they've done studies where people are like a climate change denier.

00:33:51.460 And they come in like with scientists and with data, and they show them like slideshows

00:33:55.040 and movies, and they show exactly how the science works.

00:33:58.500 Like, hey, CO2 and methane rise up here.

00:34:01.640 And they create a kind of a heat trapping layer.

00:34:04.380 And this is how extreme weather events are tied to that, and why the ocean's acidification.

00:34:08.740 And why it's so hot, so early, and so long.

00:34:10.980 And how this is all working, and why sea levels are rising and stuff.

00:34:14.640 And they'll explain all this, like really, and people will be even more entrenched in their

00:34:20.220 view.

00:34:20.600 Yeah, like dig their heels in. 1.00

00:34:21.760 That it's all a crock of shit. 1.00

00:34:23.840 Yeah, I'll never understand. 0.99

00:34:24.820 So no amount of like showing data is going to convince people.

00:34:32.260 So I don't know how, but we have to move people's hearts in a way, and not kind of vilify, you

00:34:39.880 know, Republicans necessarily, or Republicans vilify Democrats.

00:34:44.060 We've got to find a way to build a bridge.

00:34:46.660 But I do think, like, you can't pick and choose your science.

00:34:51.160 You either are like for science or not for science.

00:34:53.320 So you can't go into your surgeon who says, hey, we need to operate on this cancerous tumor

00:34:57.460 and say, well, I don't believe in science.

00:35:01.120 You know, I'll believe in that science.

00:35:02.900 Yeah.

00:35:03.520 You know, but I won't believe in this science.

00:35:05.200 Yeah, it's the same thing when people are like, oh, I don't believe in vaccinations.

00:35:08.700 Like, I need to do my research.

00:35:10.540 And it's like, well, what are the odds you're going to find something that he didn't find

00:35:14.340 or she didn't find or they didn't find?

00:35:15.860 The research is Googling it. 0.95

00:35:17.280 Yeah, I was like, they were in school for 50 fucking years, and there are millions of 0.97

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00:35:21.260 But yeah, sure.

00:35:21.720 I'm sure you'll find something.

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00:35:50.920 Well, you can't, like for climate change, you can't believe in the science that

00:35:54.480 burning a heater heats your home during the winter.

00:35:57.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:58.860 And not believe it.

00:36:00.420 I'm going to believe in that science.

00:36:01.460 But I'm not going to believe that burning methane and coal and creating, you know, tons

00:36:08.000 and tons of CO2 is going to affect the temperature on planet Earth.

00:36:12.520 Yeah.

00:36:12.940 You can't.

00:36:13.520 You're on that one?

00:36:14.540 Nah.

00:36:15.120 Yeah.

00:36:15.380 That's none of my business.

00:36:16.240 Not that one.

00:36:16.440 Because honestly, it is inconvenient because it would require some changes in how we live

00:36:20.740 our lives.

00:36:21.240 Totally.

00:36:21.420 It's going to require some taxation, some legislation, turning to alternative energy sources.

00:36:26.620 Yeah.

00:36:26.920 Um, yeah.

00:36:28.160 It's a whole, it's a whole, that's the, the, I probably the most ironic and the most difficult

00:36:33.340 part is that it really is going to take all of us.

00:36:35.740 Like we really got a band together.

00:36:37.880 Otherwise, like we can't do it alone.

00:36:39.940 Many on both sides have tried doing it alone and it doesn't work.

00:36:43.380 So we're all, unfortunately we're all going to burn alive together unless we lock in team.

00:36:48.580 Okay.

00:36:49.020 So I'm going to read some of these videos.

00:36:50.300 This one says, in this video, Dan Pena, businessman and former president of an oil company is

00:36:56.320 giving a talk where he says 55,000 years ago, the world was two degrees hotter than it is

00:37:00.940 now.

00:37:01.360 He's trying to make the point that the earth's temperature fluctuates naturally over thousands

00:37:06.080 of years.

00:37:06.640 And that's just what's happening now.

00:37:09.240 Right.

00:37:09.800 That's 55,000 years ago.

00:37:11.580 So this is a very, the most common argument is like the weather always changes.

00:37:16.720 Climate always changes.

00:37:18.140 We're just going through a hot phase right now.

00:37:21.800 X amount of years ago, it was this, you know, 200,000 years ago, there was no Greenland ice

00:37:28.580 sheet.

00:37:29.160 It was melted and the oceans were higher.

00:37:31.300 This is just, there's nothing that we can do.

00:37:33.600 Yeah.

00:37:34.040 And, but the point is twofold.

00:37:36.500 One is if you look at the chart and the graph of history, first of all, how do we know that

00:37:41.280 it was hotter 55,000 years ago?

00:37:43.240 Exactly.

00:37:43.780 We know that because of climate scientists doing research.

00:37:47.460 I was just about to say.

00:37:48.480 And discovering that it was warmer 55.

00:37:50.600 Like where did we get that information?

00:37:51.900 Looking, by drilling into ice cores and doing, you know, rock samples and looking at flora

00:37:57.660 and fauna.

00:37:58.360 Yeah.

00:37:58.680 So that's number one.

00:37:59.760 Number two.

00:38:00.220 But if you look at the graph of history, there'll be warm stretches with the dinosaurs and cold

00:38:04.620 stretches in the ice age.

00:38:05.840 And it's, it's flowing like this.

00:38:07.440 And then you go like this and then you know what a hockey stick graph is, right?

00:38:11.580 Yeah.

00:38:12.320 Where it goes like this.

00:38:13.100 Where all of a sudden in the 1800s and, and, and in this century, it's like,

00:38:18.940 like that, like never before in history has the climate changed in that way.

00:38:24.900 Yeah.

00:38:25.060 There was not, it was like a gradual ebb and flow.

00:38:27.360 It was not a straight up.

00:38:28.960 And then scientists can prove that the reason it shot up like a hockey stick is because

00:38:35.020 of what humanity is doing to the atmosphere.

00:38:39.380 Yeah.

00:38:39.560 The contributions.

00:38:40.160 So this is different.

00:38:41.000 Like, yes, the climate is changing.

00:38:42.600 That climate always changes.

00:38:43.640 But the rapidity with which it's changing, changing the intensity and the fact that it

00:38:49.520 can be absolutely, you know, corroborated that it's due to increased heat trapping gases

00:38:54.820 that as we've been, you know, burning peat moss and coal and covering up wetlands and creating

00:39:02.120 super highways and bulldozing over forests and chopping down trees, you know, you'd have 0.98

00:39:07.520 to just be an idiot to kind of go like, well, that's not going to have any effect on climate. 0.99

00:39:12.380 Well, I don't think it has anything to do with that. 1.00

00:39:15.160 I think it may be something else.

00:39:17.100 So it's, that's the most common one. 1.00

00:39:19.140 And it's, it's just a, it's a stupid and asinine. 1.00

00:39:21.700 Well, it's also, it's strange to even now, because during COVID and during lockdown, we 1.00

00:39:28.340 saw like unprecedented amounts of like, like pollution drop because nobody was going anywhere.

00:39:34.540 Right.

00:39:34.860 So like, like rivers were cleaner.

00:39:37.240 The air was less smoggy.

00:39:39.060 Like, I feel like even if you don't want to go do more research, you could just look

00:39:44.260 back then and be like, well, there was a lot nicer back in 2020.

00:39:47.520 Why is that?

00:39:48.580 And it's because nobody was leaving the house.

00:39:50.220 Yeah.

00:39:50.440 Nobody was driving their cars.

00:39:51.520 Nobody was going to work.

00:39:52.320 Like nobody was doing all of the things that we typically do mindlessly.

00:39:56.060 I will say it was so much fun driving in LA during COVID.

00:39:59.000 It wasn't.

00:40:00.100 Because there was, no one was on the freeway.

00:40:01.640 That's true.

00:40:02.200 20 minutes.

00:40:04.320 I'm in Glendale.

00:40:05.180 Hey, now I'm in Long Beach.

00:40:07.240 Woo.

00:40:07.780 God, it must've been so nice.

00:40:09.420 Yeah.

00:40:09.720 Bring it back.

00:40:10.740 The, the traffic in LA is truly heinous.

00:40:12.960 We need a new plague.

00:40:14.420 I, call back to the, I know the episode too, but that's on.

00:40:19.960 That's Phyllis's wedding.

00:40:23.080 It's E.T.

00:40:26.200 You're Drew Barrymore.

00:40:28.000 And I'm E.T. 0.95

00:40:28.200 You're an alien.

00:40:30.500 Exactly. 0.93

00:40:30.900 Perfect.

00:40:32.880 Okay.

00:40:33.260 I'm going to read some of the comments on this.

00:40:34.700 This one says, yes, it's so bad that the banks will hand out loans to any seaside condo

00:40:40.140 developer who needs it without any climate causes, clauses, clauses.

00:40:45.320 That, and that, and that is just not true.

00:40:47.780 So this is what happens with, uh, climate change deniers is that they'll, they'll state things

00:40:54.400 like it's fact and it's not fact.

00:40:56.080 Like show your sources.

00:40:57.100 Yeah.

00:40:57.640 Show me your sources that.

00:40:59.300 Every time.

00:40:59.820 There are, um, that there aren't kind of, um, what, what did he say again?

00:41:05.440 He said, it's so bad that the banks will hand out loans to any seaside condo.

00:41:09.180 Like that there's not like, uh, bank loans for, you know, uh, you know, environmentally

00:41:15.080 questionable developments along the seashore.

00:41:18.080 Yeah.

00:41:18.380 And people often say like, well, the Obamas bought a house on the beach.

00:41:21.700 So why should we believe in climate change? 1.00

00:41:23.540 It's like, because the Obamas are idiots. 1.00

00:41:25.980 Come on. 1.00

00:41:26.600 I'm kidding.

00:41:27.340 But you know what I mean?

00:41:28.480 Like, well, as if that's proof, like the Obamas bought a house on the beach.

00:41:32.640 He's like, so case closed.

00:41:34.100 Yeah.

00:41:34.540 There you go.

00:41:34.980 Case closed doesn't exist.

00:41:36.100 But actually, uh, check out insurance.

00:41:38.340 Uh, because insurance rates all over the country, the insurance companies know they're, they are

00:41:43.600 not in denial.

00:41:44.760 They know everything before we do.

00:41:46.060 And rates are going up everywhere and you cannot get fire insurance in huge parts of

00:41:51.480 the West.

00:41:52.420 So that's actually very true.

00:41:53.440 My mother-in-law was telling me that the other day.

00:41:55.080 Yeah.

00:41:55.200 Yeah.

00:41:55.380 And, uh, and flood insurance, try getting flood insurance in Miami right now.

00:41:59.780 So they're like, um, denied.

00:42:02.640 Yeah.

00:42:03.080 They're like, I, a sense of flood.

00:42:05.020 What if they were, but for a lot of things, you just, when people say stuff like this,

00:42:08.480 you say, show me your sources.

00:42:09.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:10.700 And it can't be, it can't be Breitbart and it can't be Fox news.

00:42:14.980 Um, and it, yeah, it has to be just a reputable, neutral news source.

00:42:19.860 A scientist would be best.

00:42:22.240 Yeah.

00:42:22.260 Yeah.

00:42:22.420 Like an actual scientist.

00:42:24.360 Uh, this one says, I think the larger point is there were periods on earth of extreme heat

00:42:28.760 yet the world's still around.

00:42:29.800 So should we care really?

00:42:31.400 I don't know.

00:42:32.880 Well, yes, you should.

00:42:33.960 You should care because, you know, uh, first of all, if you love animals, a lot of people

00:42:38.640 love, loves kitties and doggies.

00:42:40.140 Right.

00:42:40.740 But they're, they're not loving like the hundreds or thousands of species that are

00:42:44.800 dying every year because of, uh, extreme climate and weather events.

00:42:50.420 So we're going to lose, you know, there's going to be climate refugees. 1.00

00:42:54.700 There's going to be food.

00:42:55.860 You know, we just did a, we just did a series of videos about how, um, we're going to lose

00:43:01.280 the flavors that we love.

00:43:02.660 Like vanilla is becoming extinct.

00:43:04.900 Cocoa.

00:43:05.260 I saw something about vanilla.

00:43:06.480 Yeah.

00:43:06.980 And, um, chocolate, coffee, pistachio, all our favorite ice cream flavors are threatened.

00:43:14.280 So we should care.

00:43:15.240 Yeah.

00:43:15.480 Absolutely.

00:43:15.840 You should care.

00:43:16.660 So ecosystem is such a delicate balance.

00:43:19.060 And I think people forget that, like how the smallest insect could absolutely decimate an

00:43:27.160 ecosystem if it goes extinct.

00:43:28.440 Like it's the way it's so intertwined with each other.

00:43:32.240 Yeah. 0.99

00:43:32.440 So people think like, oh, if bees die, who gives a fuck? 0.94

00:43:35.420 Whereas like bees are a huge proponent of everything we grow and harvest that goes into 0.98

00:43:40.440 our food.

00:43:40.900 If you, if you, if you know anyone that's ever had lime, one of the reasons that lime

00:43:44.980 has increased is because ticks have spread more because the temperature has gone up and

00:43:49.400 they thrive and they don't get killed in winter as much and deforestation and drought has increased

00:43:55.800 the spread of ticks and then more people are getting lime.

00:43:58.860 It, it really is connected to climate.

00:44:00.920 So there's all kinds of things connected to climate.

00:44:02.700 It's crazy how, um, people turn or try to turn a blind eye to stuff like that as if like

00:44:08.600 we're not all going to suffer.

00:44:10.000 Like if it gets any worse, like we're all going to, and it's hard and I understand it

00:44:14.140 cause it's hard to know what to do, you know, it, and it is a really, it's a difficult thing

00:44:18.740 cause it's a collective action.

00:44:20.500 It's not an individual thing, you know, you as an individual, you can drive an electric

00:44:23.920 car, get solar panels on your house and recycle your plastic and that's all fine and good,

00:44:29.100 but that's not really going to make a difference, but if we all collectively take action in some

00:44:36.260 larger ways, we can make a difference.

00:44:37.840 Yeah.

00:44:38.220 And even the, one of the easiest ways is to educate yourself.

00:44:41.700 Yeah.

00:44:41.840 That's like one of the best, the fastest and most accessible ways is to educate yourself.

00:44:46.220 So I truly believe that about even like secondary education, like I've told people, cause I

00:44:51.080 went to college and graduated and I know college isn't for everyone, but I've told people if

00:44:55.360 you want to pursue higher learning, I highly encourage you to do so if you can and you would

00:44:59.240 like to, because the way that education just, I truly believe makes you a better person.

00:45:04.940 Like it makes you a more evolved person, a more open and understanding, empathetic person.

00:45:09.400 Yeah.

00:45:09.820 And then a lot of ways that affects how you see the climate, how you see systemic oppression,

00:45:14.520 how you see all those kinds of systems that we should be paying attention to and trying

00:45:18.400 to change or uproot entirely and build the new.

00:45:21.240 Um, I think education's a huge part of what college does is it just teaches you how to

00:45:26.260 think and it just gets you in a room on your own and it gets you in a room with people that

00:45:30.020 have different opinions and you're reading books and you're debating them and you're

00:45:33.220 writing about them.

00:45:34.260 And what's wrong with that?

00:45:35.800 Spending a few years of your life early on in your life to kind of like learning how to

00:45:40.360 think, how to challenge, how to think critically.

00:45:42.880 Absolutely.

00:45:43.320 You know, so many people just see climate change denier stuff and like, Oh, that must be true.

00:45:49.100 Or they read a headline.

00:45:50.620 That must be true.

00:45:51.460 Like dig deep, think critically, think for yourself.

00:45:54.480 Don't just take what the political left is giving you.

00:45:57.360 Don't just take what the political right is giving you.

00:45:59.260 You know, think it, think it through, do some reading.

00:46:01.320 Absolutely.

00:46:01.940 I'm a huge proponent of that.

00:46:03.240 Even sometimes like I'll have like family members or like even my mother-in-law, like

00:46:07.400 sometimes she'll be like, what do you think about this?

00:46:09.420 I saw this headline.

00:46:10.580 What do you think?

00:46:11.120 And I just give her my opinions on stuff and I tell her like, that's just how I see it because

00:46:16.120 I'm thinking for myself, right?

00:46:18.660 Like I, I, I download the information.

00:46:21.560 I look a little deeper and then I decide for myself what I want to believe.

00:46:25.160 So I feel like it's really that's a lot of us of a lot more people did that.

00:46:28.500 That's why I always think, I think it's all the people on the fringe who are undecided

00:46:32.260 either way, or they're a fence sitter.

00:46:34.480 Those, I think a lot of times those are people that we can influence to help.

00:46:38.840 A hundred percent.

00:46:39.480 There's more of those than there are all like a extreme on either.

00:46:43.360 And, and I do think that's, that's kind of what I'm trying to do in climate and some

00:46:47.500 of our initiatives is there's people that are never, no matter what evidence they're

00:46:52.260 shown, they're never going to believe that climate change is man made and fixable.

00:46:57.220 Yeah.

00:46:57.580 And they're going to believe that the cure is going to be worse than the result of the

00:47:02.620 disease.

00:47:03.120 And there's going to be a bunch of tree huggers that believe it anyway, which is another extremist

00:47:08.900 point of view too.

00:47:09.580 When they're like, Oh, we should just get rid of all cars.

00:47:11.260 Yeah.

00:47:11.420 And they, they believe like ban oil.

00:47:13.200 It's like, well, that's not how that's not going to work.

00:47:15.340 Yeah.

00:47:15.540 We need oil.

00:47:16.100 We can transition away from oil slowly over decades.

00:47:19.540 Yeah.

00:47:19.880 You know, that's, but striking that balance.

00:47:22.100 So, but yeah, the movable middle, we call them.

00:47:24.420 Yeah.

00:47:24.700 Oh, that's a great moveable middle.

00:47:26.580 Okay.

00:47:26.900 Love that.

00:47:27.540 Okay.

00:47:27.980 So this video, in this video, it's Neil deGrasse Tyson explains that eventually when

00:47:33.100 the water is stored in ice pack, ice packs melts due to rising global temperatures, the

00:47:38.100 sea levels are projected to rise to the height of the statue of Liberty's arm.

00:47:42.080 So entire coastal cities will be submerged and the way humanity currently exists will

00:47:47.060 have to completely change.

00:47:49.120 So obviously that's not a bad video, but the comments are bad.

00:47:53.420 Like this one says, it's sad.

00:47:55.140 All these intelligent people still think humans are causing climate change.

00:47:59.460 I just don't know who, whose fault is it then?

00:48:02.340 And just the world, the world, the earth just decided to turn against us at this time.

00:48:07.640 Again, they don't view it as a, that bad, but it just gets so, it's so complicated to

00:48:13.640 unpack because mostly it has to do with partisan politics.

00:48:16.500 Yeah.

00:48:16.840 So mostly if you're a Republican and you're in your white right winger, you view kind of

00:48:23.280 scientists as being part of like academia and academia is bad because it's all a liberal

00:48:28.420 conspiracy and the liberal conspiracy is to have increased government and have more legislation

00:48:33.580 and a bigger government.

00:48:35.000 And if you're from the political right, you want less government.

00:48:38.720 Yeah.

00:48:38.920 And so anything having to do with like mandates of like how many miles per gallon cars should

00:48:44.160 get and how we should use renewable resources and, you know, limiting coal mining and oil exploration,

00:48:51.340 like that's big government overreach.

00:48:54.240 So from a political point of view, climate change becomes the enemy because climate change

00:49:00.360 necessitates kind of collective action.

00:49:03.480 Yeah.

00:49:03.720 And we're going to need some kind of government or government coalitions to, to effectuate,

00:49:09.320 you know, collective action.

00:49:10.820 Totally.

00:49:11.040 So then it's just becomes right versus left, you know, and it's, it's, it's unfortunate,

00:49:16.640 but we are going to need legislation.

00:49:19.620 We're going to need countries to work together internationally.

00:49:22.700 Yeah.

00:49:23.200 We're going to need, um, uh, collective action and we're going to need some laws that, that

00:49:29.840 change things.

00:49:30.580 But, you know, we've, we did it.

00:49:32.280 Like I remember visiting LA in the seventies when I was a little kid, we went to Disneyland

00:49:36.940 and the air was like putrid.

00:49:39.980 It was like yellow.

00:49:41.540 It was like, I'm not kidding.

00:49:43.460 It was, it, the, the smog in LA in the seventies was like so bad.

00:49:49.520 Really?

00:49:50.040 Guess what?

00:49:50.480 We passed laws and we have emissions standards and we banned like, you know, unleaded gasoline

00:49:58.100 and like we reduced smog and et cetera.

00:50:01.800 And like the air in LA is way better than it was.

00:50:04.740 Crazy how that works.

00:50:06.560 Do you know what chlorofluorocarbons are?

00:50:08.760 No.

00:50:09.040 So back in the seventies and eighties, again, uh, hairspray and like Lysol had CFCs, chlorofluorocarbons

00:50:17.380 in them.

00:50:17.800 Like Aquanet.

00:50:18.660 Aquanet.

00:50:19.280 And it was, we found out it was burning a hole in the ozone layer and, and it really

00:50:25.080 was litter.

00:50:25.720 And so they collectively, all the countries got together and banned chlorofluorocarbons.

00:50:30.740 And guess what?

00:50:31.180 We've almost healed the hole in the ozone layer that we caused in the seventies and eighties.

00:50:35.920 So we can, we can do it.

00:50:37.600 It's crazy how it's like, we've proven that it is possible that we can do it.

00:50:41.740 Yeah.

00:50:41.940 And it's, I think it's getting, like you said, it's just a really contentious point now.

00:50:47.200 And especially with the access of social media and everything, it gives people more, it more

00:50:53.600 access to more voices, whether they're for it or against it, unfortunately.

00:50:59.340 And the, the truth is, I don't know, I don't have the percentage, uh, on the tip of my

00:51:04.280 tongue, but a vast majority of Americans think that climate change is man-made and that stuff

00:51:09.480 and something should be done about it.

00:51:10.880 There's a very, very vocal, like 15% that is online on everything.

00:51:17.000 And there will be on this conversation and they'll be saying, and the other thing they're 0.99

00:51:21.320 going to say is like, fuck you, Hollywood celebrity telling me how to act, flying around 1.00

00:51:26.380 in your private jets with your giant house and your 17 cars. 1.00

00:51:30.280 Like, don't tell us what to do.

00:51:32.500 And I'm surprised that one's not on there because that's a very popular one.

00:51:35.980 Yeah, totally.

00:51:37.120 Especially when celebrities talk about climate change.

00:51:40.040 Or celebrities talk about anything.

00:51:41.420 And it's true. 0.56

00:51:42.060 No one, so don't, please don't listen to me.

00:51:44.500 Please go to scientists.

00:51:46.040 Yeah. 0.94

00:51:46.340 Do not listen to Rainn Wilson, douchebag, weirdo, liberal, former washed up sitcom actor. 0.75

00:51:53.920 Please go read Paul Hawken, Catherine Hayhoe, Michael Mann, all the top climate scientists 0.92

00:52:01.760 and just read the data.

00:52:03.120 Pour through the data.

00:52:04.340 That's all.

00:52:04.860 Yeah.

00:52:05.100 If anything, I've told people before, like, you know, I'm not an expert on stuff.

00:52:09.200 Like for my platform specifically, obviously I talk about misogyny and the patriarchy and

00:52:13.480 all the different facets of that.

00:52:15.140 I talk about like-

00:52:15.960 Fake news.

00:52:16.440 Yeah.

00:52:16.900 White supremacy.

00:52:17.980 Talk about racism, all that stuff. 0.97

00:52:19.660 Transphobia, homophobia.

00:52:20.520 And whenever I talk about that, even when I wrote my book, I got a really interesting

00:52:25.460 question the other day.

00:52:26.580 And this person asked me, like, what would you say?

00:52:28.900 Because my book comes out in July.

00:52:30.620 And so they were like, what would you say?

00:52:31.760 Because my book is, it's part memoir, part like manifesto, part, it's more sort of like

00:52:36.600 self-help.

00:52:36.980 Aren't we in July?

00:52:37.820 Isn't it July?

00:52:38.640 It's June.

00:52:40.000 It's June, girl.

00:52:40.680 Is it not July?

00:52:41.340 Still Pride Month. 0.99

00:52:43.000 Okay.

00:52:43.680 Yeah.

00:52:44.400 It's still June.

00:52:46.940 Allies.

00:52:47.760 You and I were allies.

00:52:48.340 Allies, ally.

00:52:49.000 And so the person who asked me the question, it was such an interesting question.

00:52:55.580 I love when I get really good questions that make me think.

00:52:58.380 But they asked me, what would you say to someone who read your book and thought, like,

00:53:02.280 this is great, but it's entry-level feminism, right? 1.00

00:53:05.820 And I was like, what would I say to that?

00:53:08.060 And they asked me, yeah.

00:53:09.260 And I said, honestly, I would say you're right.

00:53:11.800 Like, you're absolutely right.

00:53:13.040 There's nothing wrong with entry-level feminism. 1.00

00:53:14.820 There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

00:53:15.960 I said, I am by no-

00:53:16.860 They can go to Bell Hooks and Audre Lorde.

00:53:18.600 Absolutely.

00:53:19.400 Please do.

00:53:20.200 As part two.

00:53:21.160 And I said, like, I am by no means an expert.

00:53:23.580 I have made that very clear.

00:53:24.860 I'm just a very proud and vocal intersectional feminist.

00:53:28.500 Like, but I am not an expert.

00:53:30.640 I'm not the first person to be a feminist. 1.00

00:53:32.280 I'm not the first person to be mean to a man.

00:53:34.580 That was rude.

00:53:35.160 Like, I did not pioneer any of those things.

00:53:37.960 I said, the only difference is I just, I had social media.

00:53:40.700 That's the only difference.

00:53:41.680 And I got to platform my ideology.

00:53:44.220 But when, if that's their first intro to intersectional feminism and it makes them want to pursue higher learning, I think that's great. 0.93

00:53:51.440 Yeah.

00:53:51.640 Please do.

00:53:52.440 Like, go seek an expert.

00:53:53.860 Do not take my word and run with it.

00:53:56.040 Like, please go seek more.

00:53:57.520 Go look into more.

00:53:58.860 Yeah.

00:53:59.400 There's so many wonderful feminist authors that you could look into from so many different backgrounds that are actually, like, licensed and have doctorates in this. 1.00

00:54:07.340 And I've studied it for years.

00:54:08.420 Sure.

00:54:08.640 And I said, the only thing I have is my lived experience as, like, an indigenous plus-size woman in this world.

00:54:14.660 That is the only thing I can pull from.

00:54:16.400 That's what I am an expert in is my lived experience.

00:54:18.420 And that's it.

00:54:19.140 And that's really what I talk about in my own personal ideologies and why, you know, it's very anecdotal in a lot of ways.

00:54:25.000 So, when I was explaining that to them, they were like, oh, okay, like, that's really interesting.

00:54:29.520 But I appreciate questions like that.

00:54:31.000 But like you said, do not listen to me.

00:54:33.600 Like, don't listen to only me.

00:54:35.520 Like, please go, if anything, we're, what we, one of the wonderful parts of what we do and, like, obviously, you're way more famous than me.

00:54:43.060 But, like, to have the platforms.

00:54:44.100 So much more famous than me.

00:54:45.360 You are.

00:54:46.120 You are.

00:54:47.040 I will give that to you.

00:54:48.320 That one little thing.

00:54:49.500 The rabies.

00:54:50.620 Yeah.

00:54:50.860 And yet, here you are having to come on my show because you need me.

00:54:53.820 Oh, bummer.

00:54:58.480 I do need you.

00:55:01.120 I need to connect with the young, vibrant generation.

00:55:04.960 Yes.

00:55:05.520 And learn from you and listen.

00:55:07.040 Yes, absolutely.

00:55:08.660 How old are you?

00:55:09.100 Do you have multiple kids?

00:55:10.000 Just one?

00:55:10.120 Just one.

00:55:10.720 19, yeah.

00:55:11.620 Oh.

00:55:12.180 Yeah.

00:55:12.700 Has he graduated high school this year or last year?

00:55:15.580 He just finished his freshman year of college.

00:55:17.700 Yeah.

00:55:18.260 Does he brag about having you as a dad?

00:55:20.100 No.

00:55:20.580 He tries to hide it.

00:55:21.900 Really?

00:55:22.320 Yeah.

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00:56:23.660 So he wants, when I go on the campus, he'll, he wants me to like put on a COVID mask so people won't, people know like the word has gotten out, but he just doesn't want me to, it's okay.

00:56:34.920 It's, it's really a challenge to be a kid of a celebrity.

00:56:38.640 It's a whole different weird set of challenges.

00:56:41.380 I can't even imagine.

00:56:41.620 He wants to just be as normal as possible.

00:56:43.580 I don't blame him.

00:56:44.740 Yeah.

00:56:45.300 I can't relate to that.

00:56:47.260 Personally.

00:56:48.700 You can't.

00:56:49.260 I know I need, I need attention desperately.

00:56:52.140 Yeah.

00:56:52.420 And here you are.

00:56:53.880 You've got, you're on show.

00:56:54.640 I need it.

00:56:55.940 You get that.

00:56:56.760 You're an actor.

00:56:57.440 I get it.

00:56:59.000 I've told people if you're an entertainer, you have to love attention to some extent, even just a little.

00:57:02.760 Yeah.

00:57:02.880 This whole thing of like the actor's like, I just don't want anyone looking at me.

00:57:06.420 Leave me alone.

00:57:07.660 Leave, please.

00:57:08.660 No.

00:57:08.880 It's like, go be an accountant.

00:57:11.120 I mean, come on.

00:57:11.880 Yeah.

00:57:12.300 For real.

00:57:12.960 For real.

00:57:13.420 I agree with that.

00:57:14.200 So.

00:57:14.700 Absolutely.

00:57:15.060 I've told people there are certain aspects to this job for me that because I was so aggressively normal before this happened.

00:57:20.760 And now this happened, there are certain aspects that make me uncomfortable sometimes.

00:57:25.040 Like the privacy thing is a little, is a little bothersome to me sometimes.

00:57:28.180 But like past that, I'm like, this is great.

00:57:31.520 This is awesome.

00:57:32.540 I, do I love the attention?

00:57:34.360 Of course I do.

00:57:35.180 Hello.

00:57:35.860 Yeah.

00:57:36.260 Look at me.

00:57:36.740 Yeah.

00:57:37.680 Yeah.

00:57:37.960 I just love to do this a lot.

00:57:39.260 So.

00:57:39.580 Yeah.

00:57:40.020 Thank God I can pay the bills.

00:57:41.500 Otherwise I'd just be yapping for free.

00:57:43.440 That's great.

00:57:43.940 Which is what I was doing before.

00:57:45.040 Yeah.

00:57:45.260 What is, okay, let me read some more comments on this.

00:57:48.840 This one says, sea levels were going to rise by 20 feet in 2000, still waiting.

00:57:54.680 Wow.

00:57:55.340 So no.

00:57:56.140 I feel like, how do they think 20 feet?

00:57:57.740 I feel like they think 20 feet's like 2 billion.

00:58:00.200 But again, again, where's your source for that?

00:58:01.960 You know, that's, where's, where is the quote from whatever climate scientist said?

00:58:06.200 Show me the Carfax.

00:58:07.000 Sea level.

00:58:08.220 Yeah.

00:58:08.600 Show me the Carfax.

00:58:09.640 Where's, that sea level is going to be up 20 feet by the year 2000.

00:58:13.200 Where, you know, where does it, where does it, who predicted that?

00:58:16.320 Yeah.

00:58:16.600 So climate predictions by and large by the climate scientists that have been, that were started

00:58:23.180 in the 70s and 80s are pretty much right on the money.

00:58:27.220 Is it, you know, there might be, you know, Al Gore made some sweeping generalizations in

00:58:33.700 his movie An Inconvenient Truth.

00:58:35.200 That might not be 100% correct.

00:58:37.840 Yeah.

00:58:38.040 But they're pretty damn close.

00:58:39.620 Yeah.

00:58:39.960 Miami is basically half underwater at this point.

00:58:42.640 Yeah.

00:58:43.240 And one of the things, they won't insure cars now for water damage in Miami.

00:58:48.800 Really?

00:58:49.660 So, because they're driving down streets that are covered in seawater from rising sea levels.

00:58:54.860 So, you know, no one said sea levels were going to rise by the year 2000.

00:59:00.260 So, but, you know, they are going to rise.

00:59:03.200 And we see that in all kinds of flooding that's happening all around the world.

00:59:07.600 So, yeah.

00:59:08.760 This one's a similar thing.

00:59:10.580 It says, I was told this was all supposed to happen in the 80s and then the 90s and then

00:59:14.720 the 2000s, then the 2010s.

00:59:16.280 And now it's in the next decade.

00:59:17.580 And then it says big grift.

00:59:19.220 I love the idea that, like, let's just, like, say that there was this huge conspiracy to

00:59:26.120 just convince people that climate change was a thing, even though it wasn't.

00:59:30.140 And it's just to, okay, make more legislation, more government.

00:59:33.880 Like, who benefits from that?

00:59:37.340 Like, I also live in this country.

00:59:38.980 So, like, if it becomes a more police state, which it is, if it becomes more policed or

00:59:44.460 more, whether that's through legislation or what, who, I also suffer because why would

00:59:50.120 I be, why would I be trying to convince you to buy into it if it was also going to harm

00:59:54.640 me?

00:59:55.300 You know what I mean?

00:59:55.980 Like, who were the first, what were the first organizations that did the studies that

01:00:01.580 discovered climate change and its effects?

01:00:05.420 Oil companies.

01:00:06.380 The first data came from oil companies, and they knew about the damage that their companies

01:00:13.760 were going to be causing to the environment.

01:00:15.980 They led with it for a while, and then they buried it, and then they had campaigns to try

01:00:23.500 and discount their own evidence that they uncovered in their 70s and 80s.

01:00:30.560 So, if you also want to learn more about this, you can simply read the United States

01:00:36.280 military's kind of guide to military preparedness around climate change.

01:00:42.040 The U.S. military believes in climate change and its ramifications around the world.

01:00:48.260 What are increased, you know, weather, hardcore weather events going to do?

01:00:52.320 What are sea level rise going to do?

01:00:54.220 What are droughts going to do?

01:00:55.800 How is this going to affect, you know, international relations, and how should we be prepared as

01:01:02.840 a military?

01:01:03.320 So, people who don't believe in climate change must also not love and support the military.

01:01:08.180 Do you think the military, like, just bought this?

01:01:10.440 Like, do you think NASA just kind of, like, you know, drank the liberal Kool-Aid around climate

01:01:16.180 change?

01:01:16.540 It's like, and Exxon and Shell back in the 70s and 80s?

01:01:20.620 Yeah.

01:01:21.720 You know?

01:01:21.980 It's a similar, it's like a similar parallel.

01:01:26.020 It's a parallel in the same way when during COVID, when people who are actively speaking

01:01:31.120 out against a vaccine and saying COVID wasn't real, were all getting vaccinated.

01:01:35.600 So, it's like, they're saying one thing, but they're doing another.

01:01:38.120 So, maybe we should be following actions as opposed to, like, rhetoric and, like, scare tactics.

01:01:42.660 And, like you said, maybe we should learn to think for ourselves and kind of put the pieces

01:01:47.260 together on our own.

01:01:48.640 Like, they're saying that, but they're doing the opposite.

01:01:51.100 So, what do we think?

01:01:51.380 And when you don't want to think for yourself, that's fine.

01:01:53.720 Just do with the experts, with the people that have spent 30, 40, 50 years studying it.

01:01:58.620 Let's just listen to them.

01:02:00.420 That's what I'm doing.

01:02:01.380 Not the one cuckoo oddball in the corner who's like, they're all wrong.

01:02:06.060 Yeah, they're like, all these people are sheep, and I figured it out.

01:02:10.040 It's like, what are the odds?

01:02:12.040 It's like, that you're the guy.

01:02:13.980 You're the one that figured it out, that's seen through it all.

01:02:17.340 I think a lot of those people, too, think, have you watched The Last of Us?

01:02:21.240 Yes.

01:02:21.840 You know the scene with Nick, was it Nick Offerman that he used?

01:02:26.020 Yeah.

01:02:26.380 Yeah.

01:02:26.920 You know how he was kind of that, like, libertarian, like, living outside no government, all government's

01:02:31.460 bad government, and then the world ended, and he ended up being right about what he was.

01:02:35.080 I think a lot of those people think they're that guy, and they're not.

01:02:38.580 Like, they think, you're not him.

01:02:40.340 Yeah.

01:02:40.900 You're not him.

01:02:41.620 You're someone who dies day one.

01:02:43.460 Do you think you would survive in a zombie apocalypse?

01:02:45.800 Absolutely, I would.

01:02:46.940 You think?

01:02:47.380 I've learned enough from the character that I played, Dwight Schrute, to I have weapons

01:02:51.500 stashed all over my house.

01:02:53.200 I would 100% survive.

01:02:54.980 But, you know, it comes down to this whole balance between individual freedom and initiative.

01:03:00.300 Mm-hmm.

01:03:00.600 You know, this American ideal of, like, don't tread on me, you know, and every man for himself,

01:03:06.600 you know, live free or die.

01:03:08.900 There's this kind of toxic individualism.

01:03:13.280 Yep.

01:03:13.860 And individualism is important.

01:03:15.860 You express it.

01:03:16.720 Yeah, totally.

01:03:17.140 You love it.

01:03:17.860 Totally.

01:03:18.360 But there's also collectivism.

01:03:19.900 Yeah.

01:03:20.060 So how do we live in better unity, you know, in ever larger, kind of more cooperative tribes?

01:03:29.240 Yeah.

01:03:29.480 This is part of a spiritual journey that humanity needs to make and take together.

01:03:34.960 How do we find that balance where, of course, we don't all want to be sheeple with a big

01:03:39.300 authoritarian state, whether it's from the political left or the political right, telling

01:03:43.280 us what to think and what we can and cannot do.

01:03:46.040 Yeah.

01:03:46.280 But at the same time, we do work together as tribes coming together and cooperating.

01:03:54.700 Yeah, we work better in numbers.

01:03:56.780 We do.

01:03:56.960 And like I said, it doesn't work unless we're all on the same, at least train moving forward.

01:04:02.540 Yeah.

01:04:02.860 We may not all be on the same side, but at least moving in the same direction.

01:04:05.620 Plus, you're happier when we're in community.

01:04:08.900 We're happier when we're in community with one another.

01:04:10.740 I think that all the time.

01:04:12.020 And that's why I feel like a lot of the most hateful people on the internet, for example,

01:04:17.200 have no sense of community.

01:04:18.420 There's no hateful people on the internet.

01:04:19.820 What do you think?

01:04:20.040 Oh, gosh.

01:04:21.180 Wait.

01:04:21.900 But they what?

01:04:22.660 If there weren't, I wouldn't be here, Rain.

01:04:24.300 They have no sense of what?

01:04:25.240 Community in their real lives.

01:04:27.620 They have no sense of community.

01:04:28.840 Actually, years ago, when I first really blew up and I got a lot of hate, a lot of men making

01:04:34.860 videos about me, whatever.

01:04:36.060 And I had one guy in particular make a video about me that I never forgot to this day.

01:04:40.580 And he actually expressed how he's like, honestly, I've seen a lot of the criticisms of Drew

01:04:45.520 and her platform and I wanted to comment on it.

01:04:48.360 And he was a white guy, a former military member.

01:04:50.820 He was in the service for a long time.

01:04:52.240 And he said, like, if I had come across Drew's page like five, six years ago, I would have

01:04:57.620 hated her, too.

01:04:58.480 Like, if I came across her years ago, I would have hated her also.

01:05:01.160 And he was like, but I did a lot of learning and growing and evolving.

01:05:05.740 And I read a lot of books.

01:05:06.880 And he's like, I got to a point in my life where I was like, I am so miserable.

01:05:10.540 I'm so unhappy.

01:05:11.820 I hate seeing other people who are happy.

01:05:13.660 I hate seeing people different from me that are happy.

01:05:16.020 And he's like, when I had that really honest conversation with myself, I started doing a

01:05:18.920 lot of reading and trying to understand, like, why do I feel this way?

01:05:22.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.420 And he said he read this story, and I forget the name of it, but it was something about a

01:05:26.740 dog sitting on a nail.

01:05:28.240 And the dog sits on a nail.

01:05:29.280 Well, rabies, probably a dog out there.

01:05:32.380 I could have used rabies right there.

01:05:33.840 Keep going.

01:05:34.540 Yet another missed opportunity.

01:05:36.200 I'm sorry to derail you.

01:05:37.380 Go ahead.

01:05:37.580 You're fine.

01:05:38.840 Just the dog sits on the nail every single day and yelps, but still sits there every

01:05:43.180 single day.

01:05:43.580 Yeah.

01:05:43.940 And so they ask if the dog knows that it hurts, why does it continue to sit on the

01:05:47.200 nail? 0.88

01:05:47.400 And he said, because it doesn't hurt enough.

01:05:49.280 Once it hurts enough, he'll no longer sit there.

01:05:51.380 That's great.

01:05:51.860 And so he was saying, that was me.

01:05:53.860 Like, he's like, sometimes you don't listen until it hurts enough.

01:05:58.140 And so that's what she does, is she hurts you enough to the point where it's going

01:06:01.740 to make you either stop what you're doing entirely, or it's going to make you rethink

01:06:05.420 everything.

01:06:06.060 But either way, you're going to stop.

01:06:07.320 And that's the only goal she has.

01:06:08.500 Her goal isn't to change you, and that's not her job. 0.99

01:06:10.700 And I was like, period.

01:06:13.300 I'm glad one guy gets it.

01:06:14.480 But we can refer that back to climate change because we're sitting on the nail and prices

01:06:21.440 are going up, extreme weather events, the hottest year on record last year, but it hasn't been

01:06:26.860 enough.

01:06:27.580 So unfortunately, humanity is going to have to hit bottom and go to rehab in order it starts

01:06:32.980 to change its ways.

01:06:33.960 Yeah, absolutely.

01:06:34.680 Because we're like an addict.

01:06:36.280 We're addicted to oil and convenience and energy and capitalism and gain materialism and we're

01:06:44.480 selfish and greedy generally.

01:06:46.920 So things are going to have to really break down before we kind of look in the mirror and

01:06:50.860 go, like that guy did, and go, okay, we're willing to make some sacrifices in order to change.

01:06:58.560 Yeah, I agree.

01:06:59.580 And I think, too, that, like I said earlier, it's very, to me, I feel like how other people

01:07:07.340 react to things when they're being actively oppressed or harassed or disrespected or whatever

01:07:12.260 is none of my business, right?

01:07:14.380 But that's because that's something that's happening to that individual, right?

01:07:18.000 When we're talking about something as serious as climate change, that's something that affects

01:07:21.020 all of us.

01:07:21.960 So it's important, like you said, individualism is very important, but collectivism is just as

01:07:26.800 important and community is just as important.

01:07:28.780 Or more.

01:07:29.540 Yeah, even more so.

01:07:30.760 And I feel like, too, even when I talk about, like on my platform, about men and, you know, 0.94

01:07:37.380 ones that suck or whatever and how they suck, but I've also said, I've gotten criticism, 0.99

01:07:43.880 especially recently, of men saying, like, oh, well, you have a man. 0.99

01:07:47.080 That makes no sense.

01:07:48.440 To which I'm saying, like, well, I can still hate the collective of a misogynistic man and

01:07:54.900 still have found one that's not like that.

01:07:57.320 I don't know why that's so hard for them.

01:07:59.040 That math is damn near impossible for them to do.

01:08:03.240 And when they're talking about that, like, in reference to me, I always think, first of

01:08:09.220 all, to give me credit personally for making all women hate men is crazy, considering we're

01:08:14.640 in 2024.

01:08:16.140 They've done more than enough things, including climate change.

01:08:19.520 That's also men's fault. 0.99

01:08:20.420 Um, kind of is, yeah, everything.

01:08:24.340 I made this joke in a video recently where I'm like, everything awful you can think of

01:08:27.120 in the world can be traced back to a man, whether it's traffic, capitalism, war, or

01:08:32.220 climate change, all of that.

01:08:33.840 The genesis is a man.

01:08:35.120 Yeah.

01:08:35.360 So I always think you don't need my help to get people to hate you.

01:08:39.560 Like the PR you're doing on your own.

01:08:42.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.340 It's killing it.

01:08:43.300 Keep it up, girl. 0.91

01:08:44.720 The only thing I'm trying to get people to hate papayas.

01:08:47.160 I hate those.

01:08:48.060 I love papayas.

01:08:49.080 Do you?

01:08:49.720 Mm-hmm.

01:08:50.120 Too many seeds.

01:08:51.380 Hate them.

01:08:52.500 I love papayas.

01:08:53.580 Yeah.

01:08:54.820 That makes me really sad.

01:08:56.340 That was my bit, Rain.

01:08:58.660 Oh, you did the papaya.

01:09:00.000 Yeah.

01:09:00.920 Yeah, that was mine.

01:09:02.860 Well done. 1.00

01:09:03.700 I got your ass. 1.00

01:09:04.300 You did a good job. 1.00

01:09:05.040 I fucking got you. 1.00

01:09:07.040 Fucking got you. 1.00

01:09:08.700 I still don't get the point of it, but whatever. 0.99

01:09:11.060 It's good.

01:09:12.280 Does your 19-year-old know this joke?

01:09:15.760 Does he know?

01:09:16.500 He probably does.

01:09:17.460 Is that a meme thing?

01:09:18.700 Give him one of those.

01:09:19.740 Give him one of those.

01:09:20.300 Next time he's-

01:09:20.780 And what does that mean?

01:09:21.640 That's like a train thing going down?

01:09:23.760 Like, stop you?

01:09:24.540 It's just kind of like-

01:09:25.120 Got you?

01:09:25.620 It's kind of like a boy.

01:09:27.960 It's just a roast.

01:09:29.000 It's a roast.

01:09:29.860 Think of it that way.

01:09:30.680 It's like, boom, you're roasted?

01:09:31.960 Yeah.

01:09:32.380 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:32.940 Yeah.

01:09:33.320 So if he's wearing shoes, like just any shoes, what if he wasn't wearing shoes?

01:09:37.840 He shows up, you just go-

01:09:39.940 Yeah.

01:09:40.880 Got him.

01:09:41.680 And then after he looks at you and he looks up at you, you go, got him.

01:09:45.420 That's for you.

01:09:46.040 You're welcome.

01:09:46.620 Yeah.

01:09:46.760 Thank you so much.

01:09:47.500 Rain, that's why they pay me the big bucks around here.

01:09:51.700 They don't pay me at all.

01:09:53.920 I'm just here on my own free will.

01:09:55.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:56.380 That's great.

01:09:57.080 And I won't be paying you.

01:09:58.100 I hope that was made clear.

01:10:00.660 The only reason I came is because I was told-

01:10:03.140 Yeah.

01:10:04.160 You know what?

01:10:04.820 We'll talk after.

01:10:05.640 Okay.

01:10:05.900 You can pay me in papaya.

01:10:09.880 Okay.

01:10:10.440 I'll give you all mine.

01:10:11.380 Yeah.

01:10:11.460 Callback.

01:10:12.200 Yeah.

01:10:12.500 I'll call back.

01:10:13.100 That's what she said.

01:10:14.680 Nice.

01:10:17.280 Well, to wrap things up, I would love to know, what would you say is your best piece of advice

01:10:23.560 for someone who maybe is trying to, whether it's inspire or move people to want to learn

01:10:30.260 more about climate change or do what they can or kind of get them to at least care or pay

01:10:34.740 attention to it, what would you say is your best piece of advice for them?

01:10:38.160 I think climate is a tough one because, again, what can we do as individuals?

01:10:43.600 It's so small.

01:10:44.540 It feels so minor and so puny.

01:10:46.880 It's such a giant topic.

01:10:48.740 It's a topic of 200 countries and 7 billion people.

01:10:53.660 That's who should be having this conversation.

01:10:56.280 So collectively, we can do a lot.

01:10:59.020 So find a community.

01:11:00.600 Find a group.

01:11:01.580 Find people that you kind of can collaborate with and work together.

01:11:06.640 Build community around the ideas around climate and climate activism and just get educated.

01:11:14.620 Get super educated.

01:11:16.440 There's this guy, Paul Hawken.

01:11:17.760 He has two books.

01:11:18.980 Oh, love.

01:11:19.600 One is called Regenerate.

01:11:21.600 One's called...

01:11:22.180 I forgot the name of them, but he has two books and they simplify everything and they

01:11:27.520 break it all down.

01:11:29.020 Highly recommend those books as a starting place.

01:11:31.360 Love.

01:11:31.920 Amazing.

01:11:32.540 Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

01:11:34.220 Thanks, Drew.

01:11:34.600 I'm a huge fan.

01:11:35.320 Thanks for having me.

01:11:36.220 We had a grand old time, I'd say.

01:11:37.720 Will you come on the Soul Boom podcast?

01:11:40.160 Absolutely.

01:11:41.260 Who knows?

01:11:41.860 Maybe tomorrow.

01:11:43.540 I guess we'll see.

01:11:45.920 I don't even know when they're going to see this episode, so I guess we'll see.

01:11:49.200 Who knows?

01:11:49.480 I will be going on that podcast tomorrow, though.

01:11:51.280 Thank you.

01:11:51.960 Good.

01:11:52.880 Thank you so much for coming.

01:11:53.900 Thanks for having me.

01:11:54.580 I'm sure everybody knows, but where can everybody find you on socials if you have...

01:11:59.180 Van Nuys.

01:11:59.720 You're just doxing yourself?

01:12:05.280 1421 West Whitsitt Avenue.

01:12:08.080 No, that's...

01:12:08.860 I don't live there.

01:12:11.000 They can find me, you know, on social media.

01:12:13.960 Soul Boom.

01:12:14.620 Follow at Soul Boom on Instagram, TikTok, and the YouTubes.

01:12:18.960 Yes.

01:12:19.320 An incredible podcast, which I will be on.

01:12:22.760 Yes.

01:12:23.260 Yay.

01:12:23.380 So consider following that in order, team.

01:12:26.120 All right?

01:12:26.580 Consider that in order.

01:12:27.960 I'm doling them out.

01:12:29.280 Thank you, Drew.

01:12:29.920 See, the country I run in here, it's a dictatorship.

01:12:34.060 Yeah.

01:12:34.620 That's very clear.

01:12:35.640 I rule with an iron fist.

01:12:36.960 Yes.

01:12:37.480 I'm real medieval in the way I rule my country.

01:12:40.300 You know what I mean?

01:12:40.920 Got a town square.

01:12:42.240 Okay.

01:12:42.960 A town crier.

01:12:44.480 I got gallows.

01:12:45.680 The whole bit.

01:12:46.140 Wow.

01:12:46.740 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:47.040 Damn. 1.00

01:12:47.380 Got a whole bunch. 1.00

01:12:48.160 Wow.

01:12:49.240 That's serious.

01:12:49.960 That's what I got going on.

01:12:51.100 All right.

01:12:52.140 You're doing a great job.

01:12:53.300 I'm happy to be here in your town square.

01:12:54.940 Thanks, Ray.

01:12:56.020 Thank you so much for joining us on this episode.

01:12:58.160 Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Rainn Wilson, and I'll see you next week.

01:13:01.080 Bye.

The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - July 24, 2024

THE OCEAN HEALED MY RABIES Ft. Rainn Wilson

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