THE OCEAN HEALED MY RABIES Ft. Rainn Wilson
Summary
The Office's Dwight Schrute joins Jemele to discuss his career, his love for The Office, and what it's like to be fired from a job you love. He also talks about his new podcast, Soul Boom, which he s building based on his new book, "Soul Boom" which he wrote and is based on a book he wrote.
Transcript
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I will say it was so much fun driving in L.A. during COVID.
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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of The Comment
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Section Show, starring me, your fave, everybody knows me,
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Today, we have the iconic, the hilarious, the legendary,
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People recently have been calling me as a compliment.
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I'm like, I'm not ready for my in-memoriam Oscars montage.
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like I was in television in the 50s or something.
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I really like going into that hornet's nest and just kind of kicking shit around.
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But just for those that don't, obviously, I'm sure most people know you as Dwight Schrute
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But I would love to know what else you got going on outside of acting.
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And now you can retire and call yourself a legend.
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This might get me my star on the Hollywood Boulevard.
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I mean, if they weren't, they did a really poor job buying me.
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Well, see, now you're putting my job in jeopardy.
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And this podcast, it's on YouTube and other platforms and whatnot.
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And having deep, meaningful, probing, interesting, rebellious, soul-changing, life-changing conversations.
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Hey, I mean, I'm a formerly disgraced, fired NFL worker.
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Like, they restructured and laid me off after like nine months, nine-ish, ten months.
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But isn't it great how like one door closes, another opens?
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Like, at the time, you were probably like, oh, devastated.
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And I got, when I was a young actor, I came out of acting school.
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A couple years later, I was cast in a Broadway show.
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And I got so tense and nervous for being in this Broadway show that I sucked in it.
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I was self-conscious and doubting myself and trying to like control the performance and
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I'm not going to be this people-pleasing actor that I think other people want me to be.
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When I traced Dwight back to the beginning, it's because I sucked in this Broadway play.
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When I came out of that, I was like, never again am I going to do that.
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And that allowed me to kind of be my natural weird self to play roles like Dwight.
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And look what happened when you were able to embrace who you really were meant to be.
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We go through a little hell and then it actually opens a door and we're actually grateful for that.
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I talk about it all the time, especially on here.
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And even sometimes like a lot of my friends who are really successful creators that have turned their creative, like the niche video content they've made, they've turned it into businesses and they're doing other really successful things.
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It's like a catalyst because it's like it really puts you up against the wall kind of thing.
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When I got fired too, I genuinely was like, what am I going to do?
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I think because I found this out in therapy, but between the NFL and all the work I did in college, I was just constantly working and working towards that goal specifically.
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When I got there and I lost it, I felt like I realized then after going to therapy that I tied all of my worth and value to my accomplishments, but more specifically my career.
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So I was like, okay, if this doesn't work out, then who am I?
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So I'm in my 50s and I still get so much of my self-esteem from whether I'm working or not as an actor.
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Like why can't I just feel so good about myself?
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And proud, especially of you, of the legacy that you have in the entertainment world.
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But also like this awesome body and just like all everything I'm working with.
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I'm glad you brought it up, elephant in the room.
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DJing is one of those things where I feel like I look at it with no knowledge at all and I feel like I could master it.
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I think you could take like a 15 minute lesson on like YouTube and you could be a professional DJ.
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There was a great Saturday Night Live sketch from like six or seven years ago where, and
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I think it was Andy Samberg where they were like being, I forget what it was, but they
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And just getting bags of money, just giant sacks of money for doing shit.
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If I start DJing though, I want to be like a run DMC DJ.
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Like an OG one where I'm scratching the records and everyone's getting annoyed at me because
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But I'm so skillful they have to keep hiring me.
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I'm going to get a high and tight haircut, wear like a way too tight white t-shirt.
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Because no one would suspect that it's Rainn Wilson under the giant Dwight Schrute foam
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And we're built so similarly, I feel like they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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I always thought about dressing up completely 100% as Dwight and going trick or treating.
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No, they would literally think like, wow, you look.
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It's going to be like, oh, that's an older Dwight Schrute.
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I would love to ask you about The Office if you're cool with it.
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I don't know if you're super, super bored and over it.
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Y'all, this is our new bit that we've introduced.
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So we're each going to pick a little line and then we don't read them to each other.
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And at some point or another, we're going to work it into the conversation.
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And they are very strange bits from what I understand from my very talented producer,
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I found that it was a perfect synchronicity between Michael Scott and having like an adolescent
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I was curious if that, you know what's funny is when I first started watching The Office,
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So my parents and I would just order, they would order all the seasons that were out at
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the time and they would have the CDs mailed to the house and we'd put them in the TV.
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Just more specifically about your character because it was something that was so different
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The character, the aura, the enigma that is Dwight Shrew.
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And I'm curious how much of that was you, like improv, and how much of it was writing, and was it just a perfect blend?
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Well, there's so many ways to answer that question.
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I mean, first of all, we had this amazing template of the British office.
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But Mackenzie Crook, who played Gareth on that show, it was very different than Dwight, but did a lot of similar things.
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And it was great to be able to watch his magnificent work and like basically like steal some good bits from him.
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Like, oh, like one thing I love the way that he did is he would say the most absurd things, the most absurd sentences known to man with just absolute sincerity whatsoever.
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You know, we wanted Dwight to be a farmer, have a farmer background, because I had grandparents that were farmers.
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Greg Daniels, the showrunner, he had grandparents that were farmers.
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And then I, you know, the Dungeons and Dragons stuff was, you know, I brought that in.
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And like, you know, I did a lot of work kind of physically.
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I actually, in acting school, we studied clowning a lot.
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Like, not like Ringling Brothers, like big floppy feet falling down with pies, clowns, but like clowning kind of like, you know, like Borat as a clown character.
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Like how do you create a, you know, a character that's a little larger than life, but fits into the real world and has kind of very physically, you know, minded.
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And so I thought about Dwight in a lot of ways as the, you know, the self-serious, officious clown who was also kind of a stuck up, a kiss ass.
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The writers threw in great stuff and I did some physical work and Mackenzie Crook had his take.
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What was your, like, I guess, like favorite part of filming it other than just, you know, the success of it and getting to, like, work on a show with people you love and everything?
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Like, was there anything that stood out that you're like, I wish I, if I could go back and re-experience that feeling, I would want to.
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Like, was it an episode or maybe something that happened?
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You know, you kind of touched on it in the introduction.
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Like, one of the things, like, I didn't appreciate enough while we were doing it was, like, how groundbreaking it was.
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And at the time, there were a lot of, like, big, bright, splashy, multi-camera sitcoms.
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And then we came in and it was kind of very low-key, weird-looking actors.
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You know, fluorescent lights and really odd verbal humor that wasn't quite jokes.
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It's just, like, odd, funny characters and funny situations.
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So I kind of wish I had leaned into that more and appreciated that more, you know, especially what the writers were doing.
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I mean, honestly, because The Office is, like, a comfort show of mine, so that's one that I, like, watch when I, like, want to watch something.
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Did you steal the DVDs from Netflix back in the day?
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But I think when I watch it, like, the humor is just, like, the writing in that show is just unbelievable.
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Like, even when I watch it now as, like, an adult.
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When I watch it as a teen, I just thought it was super funny, which it still is now.
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Like, the layers to each episode is just the jokes.
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The layers to the jokes that are written in that show are just, to this day, some of my favorite things I've ever seen on television.
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And I think one thing that people really, the reason it's kind of stood the test of time is that there's, you can watch an episode three times, and on the fourth viewing, see a whole new, like, reactions.
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And hear little lines that you're like, oh, my God, I had never even picked up on that before.
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You know, little Easter eggs and stuff like that.
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I told my boyfriend this literally probably, like, a couple weeks ago, but one of my favorite running bits is how Michael is, like, the way he eats is really gross.
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It's just, like, in passing, she's like, how many Filet-O-Fishes did you order?
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It's just little bits, like, from season one all the way till the end.
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It's little things, like, those are my favorite kinds of jokes.
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Because I do know, I did watch clips from your episode with Serge Tankian, which I think is incredible.
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But I would love to hear more about why you started Soul Boom and why, like, what your goal was and all that.
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So I wrote this book, Soul Boom, Why We Need a Spiritual Revolution.
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Because I felt like there were a lot of spiritual tools.
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And I'm talking to anyone who, you can have a faith, you can not have a faith, you can be Christian, you can be Muslim, you can be Buddhist, you can be spiritually curious.
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But in the land, in the world of spirituality, there are tools that can make our lives better and that can make the world better.
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People think of spirituality sometimes as, like, I'm going to do a little meditation and it's going to reduce my anxiety.
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So these kind of, like, I've always loved working with these big ideas.
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I had a media company back in the day called Soul Pancake.
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And we did a lot of digital content on YouTube and stuff.
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And I've always been interested in kind of big ideas and, you know, challenging people.
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And, you know, we're on the verge of, like, the most contentious, bitter, disruptive, disunified election, like, in American history.
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And so those are the kind of conversations that I want to have on Soul Boom, you know, and be having, and we are having on Soul Boom, the podcast.
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And it's anyone from, like, stand-up comics to from, like, Whitney Cummings to Neil Brennan and, you know, Bobby Lee.
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And, yeah, and to, like, academicians, theologians, you know, deep thinkers, meditation teachers, like, and everyone in between, you know, but kind of having that conversation of, like, how do we, as humans, do a better job?
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Change systems that are racist and sexist and materialistic and unjust in their DNA and how do we kind of look at kind of big picture stuff.
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Not just kind of passing some legislation here and there, but rethinking how we kind of do everything.
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Yeah, and how we see the world and perspective and all of that.
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And so we, there's a lot of spirituality in my culture and there's a lot of connection to our ancestors and there's a lot of beliefs and ideologies that we hold.
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And I feel like a lot of times people ask me, like, how I became this way.
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Like, someone who goes and antagonizes men on purpose for a living.
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But, I mean, a lot of times I tell people a big, I think a big factor and that is my culture and how I was raised because prior to being, my culture being colonized, like, we didn't adhere to a gender binary.
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So there was multiple genders and there was no gender roles or anything like that.
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But the very genesis of my culture, it's matriarchal.
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That's the family and the environment I was raised in.
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And so my viewpoints and my perspective on the world is completely different from a lot of other people, I think.
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And that was made obvious when I started making TikToks.
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So, like, when I started making videos and showing why I think the way I do, why I move the way I do in life, I think that's why a lot of people started gravitating towards me.
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Because they were like, well, actually, I kind of fuck with that perspective.
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And then, obviously, me just absolutely swinging on men unsuspecting was a big sell, too.
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You're taking on kind of, I hate to use the, I hate the phrase toxic masculinity, but kind of like the kind of masculinity that's making our world a worse place.
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Yeah, I think it's very interesting when I, especially because there are many, contrary to popular belief online, there are many straight men who do actually really like my content and enjoy my mission.
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And so I have a boyfriend that I've been with this year, seven years.
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So there are many men in my personal life and everything who understand what it is I'm doing.
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And even when I've told people, you know, however someone chooses to respond to oppression or bigotry of any kind is not up to me.
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Like if something's happening to somebody else and they're being actively oppressed, it's not my, it's not up to me to decide what's the proper way for them to respond.
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So I think that there should be space for all of us to react however it is we feel suits us best.
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But I was like, but you don't listen either way.
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I mean, you use anger as a kind of cultural criticism and you do it in a smart way, in a way that provokes change and is exciting.
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And for when you're talking about Soul Boom and like you're the guests that you've had, like what are what are some standout episodes to you that really maybe gave you a new perspective, maybe helped you think a little bit harder?
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The upcoming Drew F. Wallow episode I'm really excited about.
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I mean, I mean, what can I, you know, I don't know.
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There's it's I love all of I love all of my babies.
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But, you know, I've always just been the guy that always wants to go for the deepest possible conversation and human interaction.
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You know, I'm I remember going like on dates when I was 16 and being like, so do you believe in God?
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And they just want out of there like, what do you think happens when we die?
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You know, and so, you know, that's freaked people out.
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And now I get to do it and and and get lots of people watching and have some have some jokes along the way and have a good time.
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So, you know, we've had you know, we've had bestselling authors like Arthur Brooks and Jonathan Haidt.
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And we've had, you know, stand up comics, like I said, and there's going to be, you know, actors and and and and weirdos and people that folks have never heard of.
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And then people that are gigantic celebrities like me, like obviously, obviously.
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You should really know the name of the host of the show.
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The problem is ever since I got rabies a few months ago, seriously, it's screwed.
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Or was I supposed to, like, let it go and pretend like and anyways.
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You want me to come up with the idea for yours also?
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I think that there's so many things that divide us.
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And the thing that mostly unites us is the fact that we are all spiritual beings having
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And that commonality, the fact that we all have big beating hearts, that we all love,
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that we all have fears, this can be what unites us.
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And it doesn't have to be in some kind of like hippy-dippy, kumbaya kind of way.
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But we've got to find ways to kind of come together and pull together.
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Like, do I believe like there's like spirits that inhabit things and stuff like that?
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Yeah, just that they exist and they can show you signs or they can point you in directions.
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And I don't believe that God is some kind of like old guy with a beard.
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What if you took off the Dwight Schrute head and it was God instead?
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What if you went to the pearly gates and God was a DJ?
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What if I dress like Dwight Schrute and put a God head on spinning, take off the God head,
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Is that all you have to do is say the word TM and then you get the trademark?
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So I believe that there is a gigantic, all-loving, all-pervasive cosmic force that's within us and without us
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and manifests itself in all kinds of different ways, including through nature.
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And that our souls, when we get rid of our physical bodies and they decay, our soul or
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spirit or that spiritual element of ourselves continues a very mysterious journey.
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Can we commune with past selves and with ancestors?
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You know, the universe, the multiverse is a very mysterious place.
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And I think everything that you said, honestly, I agree with.
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And I'm also, like I said, indigenous, so we do believe in spirits a lot.
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And, like, they manifest in very different ways in different cultures.
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And, I mean, I'm currently in a book club where we're studying spirituality and also witchcraft
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Well, I will say that from what I've read and about a lot of indigenous cultures is, like,
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Like, polytheism isn't kind of like, oh, I worship this waterfall or I worship this tree
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It's like all of these different elements are reflection of one kind of divine reality.
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So they're all different facets and different ways to understand the eternal.
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You can do it through the sun and through time and through the wind and through the water.
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Like, it's a way of understanding, you know, the beautiful metaphoric reality of being alive.
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And I, it's funny, too, because since I'm Polynesian, I feel more, I feel closer to my ancestors
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when I'm on, like, in Hawaii or, like, any sort of Polynesian island.
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And so specifically in the ocean, we feel like the ocean is very healing in a lot of
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And every, any time I've gone, like, back home to Hawaii, because that's another home
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of mine, if I have any sort of ailment, I'm like, I just need to get in the ocean.
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Like, when I get in the ocean, I'm going to be healed.
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And, like, one time I had, like, a wisdom tooth got super infected and it, like, ballooned
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And so it was super, super swollen and painful.
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But I was like, I really want to go to the beach.
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So I went and I went in the ocean and it literally went away.
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But most importantly, I really wish I had saved my rabies for right now.
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I don't think rabies turns you into a werewolf.
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Whenever we door dash things, if they drop it off back there, someone's like, quick, go
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Could have been either, to be honest, out in the sun.
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I'm not saying you're not a smart person, but I've never heard...
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This is the first time in my life, 58 years, that someone has used lycanthrope in a sentence.
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I was just about to make a joke about, can you...
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That's just a word I got floating around up here.
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So, for the topic, we're going to be unpacking climate change deniers, undermining scientific facts
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And I know you're a very passionate climate change activist.
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And I've been following you on Instagram for a while, so I do know that.
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You don't follow me, which is really embarrassing for you, but just something I need to throw
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Just something I had to throw out there to Rain's team.
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So, I'm going to read a couple, describe these TikToks.
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I just want to set this up by saying I used to just read climate change deniers and send
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out angry tweets back at them, which, of course, does no good whatsoever.
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And I realized, hey, if this is something I'm really passionate about, I should probably
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So, then after that, I joined the board of this non-profit Arctic Base Camp and worked
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We've done a bunch of activations, online stuff for media to try and illuminate climate
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And the reason that I'm doing this, Drew, is because this is one of the kind of pandemics
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that's affecting humanity that we have to take a look at.
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And it's not simply about passing legislation to reduce CO2.
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It's like changing our whole relationship with planet Earth.
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Like, how long as humans are we just going to suck resources out of the planet, chew it
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up, spit it out, throw the garbage back into the ocean?
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You know, about the garbage patch in the South Pacific, not far from Samoa.
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And, you know, we have to shift our thinking about climate.
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It's not just about climate in terms of, like, Democrat versus Republican and what legislation
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Well, capitalism plays a huge role in climate change.
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I'm not saying, like, oh, that means we become, as soon as you say that, people are
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Could we just kind of consider unchecked greed?
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Well, even, like, when you're talking about Polynesia specifically, like, in the Micronesian
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They have a very historic birth defect rate in Micronesia.
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And for a long time, they couldn't figure out why.
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Then they realized it's because a lot of the, some of the islands off the coast of the main
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islands in Micronesia, because it's a whole bunch of islands in one.
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But they were doing nuclear testing over there for years.
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And they absolutely decimated all of their natural resources, including the water.
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So they already had to leave the island, which they forced them to leave, right, and move
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But on top of that, they live off the land, like most indigenous people do.
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So whatever they're farming or pulling from the water is poisoned.
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And so they had this, that was back in the 60s.
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And so now, I don't even know, 40, 50, 60 years later, they're realizing it's from that
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That's why they have such a historic birth defect rate, which is so upsetting considering
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And their birth defect rate is really, really high.
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It matches those that are, have populations million times the size.
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So that's a huge, like, you know, proponent for why climate change is so important, or
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at least to pay attention to it, at the very least, pay attention and see where you can
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But huge things like that affect all of us, like literally all of us.
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And, you know, I know you're going to read some climate change denier stuff.
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And it's interesting, because there's no winning an argument.
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Because they've done studies where people are like a climate change denier.
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And they come in like with scientists and with data, and they show them like slideshows
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and movies, and they show exactly how the science works.
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And they create a kind of a heat trapping layer.
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And this is how extreme weather events are tied to that, and why the ocean's acidification.
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And how this is all working, and why sea levels are rising and stuff.
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And they'll explain all this, like really, and people will be even more entrenched in their
00:34:24.820
So no amount of like showing data is going to convince people.
00:34:32.260
So I don't know how, but we have to move people's hearts in a way, and not kind of vilify, you
00:34:39.880
know, Republicans necessarily, or Republicans vilify Democrats.
00:34:46.660
But I do think, like, you can't pick and choose your science.
00:34:51.160
You either are like for science or not for science.
00:34:53.320
So you can't go into your surgeon who says, hey, we need to operate on this cancerous tumor
00:35:05.200
Yeah, it's the same thing when people are like, oh, I don't believe in vaccinations.
00:35:10.540
And it's like, well, what are the odds you're going to find something that he didn't find
00:35:17.280
Yeah, I was like, they were in school for 50 fucking years, and there are millions of
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Well, you can't, like for climate change, you can't believe in the science that
00:35:54.480
burning a heater heats your home during the winter.
00:36:01.460
But I'm not going to believe that burning methane and coal and creating, you know, tons
00:36:08.000
and tons of CO2 is going to affect the temperature on planet Earth.
00:36:16.440
Because honestly, it is inconvenient because it would require some changes in how we live
00:36:21.420
It's going to require some taxation, some legislation, turning to alternative energy sources.
00:36:28.160
It's a whole, it's a whole, that's the, the, I probably the most ironic and the most difficult
00:36:33.340
part is that it really is going to take all of us.
00:36:39.940
Many on both sides have tried doing it alone and it doesn't work.
00:36:43.380
So we're all, unfortunately we're all going to burn alive together unless we lock in team.
00:36:50.300
This one says, in this video, Dan Pena, businessman and former president of an oil company is
00:36:56.320
giving a talk where he says 55,000 years ago, the world was two degrees hotter than it is
00:37:01.360
He's trying to make the point that the earth's temperature fluctuates naturally over thousands
00:37:11.580
So this is a very, the most common argument is like the weather always changes.
00:37:18.140
We're just going through a hot phase right now.
00:37:21.800
X amount of years ago, it was this, you know, 200,000 years ago, there was no Greenland ice
00:37:36.500
One is if you look at the chart and the graph of history, first of all, how do we know that
00:37:43.780
We know that because of climate scientists doing research.
00:37:51.900
Looking, by drilling into ice cores and doing, you know, rock samples and looking at flora
00:38:00.220
But if you look at the graph of history, there'll be warm stretches with the dinosaurs and cold
00:38:07.440
And then you go like this and then you know what a hockey stick graph is, right?
00:38:13.100
Where all of a sudden in the 1800s and, and, and in this century, it's like,
00:38:18.940
like that, like never before in history has the climate changed in that way.
00:38:25.060
There was not, it was like a gradual ebb and flow.
00:38:28.960
And then scientists can prove that the reason it shot up like a hockey stick is because
00:38:43.640
But the rapidity with which it's changing, changing the intensity and the fact that it
00:38:49.520
can be absolutely, you know, corroborated that it's due to increased heat trapping gases
00:38:54.820
that as we've been, you know, burning peat moss and coal and covering up wetlands and creating
00:39:02.120
super highways and bulldozing over forests and chopping down trees, you know, you'd have
00:39:07.520
to just be an idiot to kind of go like, well, that's not going to have any effect on climate.
00:39:12.380
Well, I don't think it has anything to do with that.
00:39:19.140
And it's, it's just a, it's a stupid and asinine.
00:39:21.700
Well, it's also, it's strange to even now, because during COVID and during lockdown, we
00:39:28.340
saw like unprecedented amounts of like, like pollution drop because nobody was going anywhere.
00:39:39.060
Like, I feel like even if you don't want to go do more research, you could just look
00:39:44.260
back then and be like, well, there was a lot nicer back in 2020.
00:39:52.320
Like nobody was doing all of the things that we typically do mindlessly.
00:39:56.060
I will say it was so much fun driving in LA during COVID.
00:40:14.420
I, call back to the, I know the episode too, but that's on.
00:40:33.260
I'm going to read some of the comments on this.
00:40:34.700
This one says, yes, it's so bad that the banks will hand out loans to any seaside condo
00:40:40.140
developer who needs it without any climate causes, clauses, clauses.
00:40:47.780
So this is what happens with, uh, climate change deniers is that they'll, they'll state things
00:40:59.820
There are, um, that there aren't kind of, um, what, what did he say again?
00:41:05.440
He said, it's so bad that the banks will hand out loans to any seaside condo.
00:41:09.180
Like that there's not like, uh, bank loans for, you know, uh, you know, environmentally
00:41:18.380
And people often say like, well, the Obamas bought a house on the beach.
00:41:28.480
Like, well, as if that's proof, like the Obamas bought a house on the beach.
00:41:38.340
Uh, because insurance rates all over the country, the insurance companies know they're, they are
00:41:46.060
And rates are going up everywhere and you cannot get fire insurance in huge parts of
00:41:53.440
My mother-in-law was telling me that the other day.
00:41:55.380
And, uh, and flood insurance, try getting flood insurance in Miami right now.
00:42:05.020
What if they were, but for a lot of things, you just, when people say stuff like this,
00:42:10.700
And it can't be, it can't be Breitbart and it can't be Fox news.
00:42:14.980
Um, and it, yeah, it has to be just a reputable, neutral news source.
00:42:24.360
Uh, this one says, I think the larger point is there were periods on earth of extreme heat
00:42:33.960
You should care because, you know, uh, first of all, if you love animals, a lot of people
00:42:40.740
But they're, they're not loving like the hundreds or thousands of species that are
00:42:44.800
dying every year because of, uh, extreme climate and weather events.
00:42:50.420
So we're going to lose, you know, there's going to be climate refugees.
00:42:55.860
You know, we just did a, we just did a series of videos about how, um, we're going to lose
00:43:06.980
And, um, chocolate, coffee, pistachio, all our favorite ice cream flavors are threatened.
00:43:19.060
And I think people forget that, like how the smallest insect could absolutely decimate an
00:43:28.440
Like it's the way it's so intertwined with each other.
00:43:32.440
So people think like, oh, if bees die, who gives a fuck?
00:43:35.420
Whereas like bees are a huge proponent of everything we grow and harvest that goes into
00:43:40.900
If you, if you, if you know anyone that's ever had lime, one of the reasons that lime
00:43:44.980
has increased is because ticks have spread more because the temperature has gone up and
00:43:49.400
they thrive and they don't get killed in winter as much and deforestation and drought has increased
00:43:55.800
the spread of ticks and then more people are getting lime.
00:44:00.920
So there's all kinds of things connected to climate.
00:44:02.700
It's crazy how, um, people turn or try to turn a blind eye to stuff like that as if like
00:44:10.000
Like if it gets any worse, like we're all going to, and it's hard and I understand it
00:44:14.140
cause it's hard to know what to do, you know, it, and it is a really, it's a difficult thing
00:44:20.500
It's not an individual thing, you know, you as an individual, you can drive an electric
00:44:23.920
car, get solar panels on your house and recycle your plastic and that's all fine and good,
00:44:29.100
but that's not really going to make a difference, but if we all collectively take action in some
00:44:38.220
And even the, one of the easiest ways is to educate yourself.
00:44:41.840
That's like one of the best, the fastest and most accessible ways is to educate yourself.
00:44:46.220
So I truly believe that about even like secondary education, like I've told people, cause I
00:44:51.080
went to college and graduated and I know college isn't for everyone, but I've told people if
00:44:55.360
you want to pursue higher learning, I highly encourage you to do so if you can and you would
00:44:59.240
like to, because the way that education just, I truly believe makes you a better person.
00:45:04.940
Like it makes you a more evolved person, a more open and understanding, empathetic person.
00:45:09.820
And then a lot of ways that affects how you see the climate, how you see systemic oppression,
00:45:14.520
how you see all those kinds of systems that we should be paying attention to and trying
00:45:18.400
to change or uproot entirely and build the new.
00:45:21.240
Um, I think education's a huge part of what college does is it just teaches you how to
00:45:26.260
think and it just gets you in a room on your own and it gets you in a room with people that
00:45:30.020
have different opinions and you're reading books and you're debating them and you're
00:45:35.800
Spending a few years of your life early on in your life to kind of like learning how to
00:45:40.360
think, how to challenge, how to think critically.
00:45:43.320
You know, so many people just see climate change denier stuff and like, Oh, that must be true.
00:45:51.460
Like dig deep, think critically, think for yourself.
00:45:54.480
Don't just take what the political left is giving you.
00:45:57.360
Don't just take what the political right is giving you.
00:45:59.260
You know, think it, think it through, do some reading.
00:46:03.240
Even sometimes like I'll have like family members or like even my mother-in-law, like
00:46:07.400
sometimes she'll be like, what do you think about this?
00:46:11.120
And I just give her my opinions on stuff and I tell her like, that's just how I see it because
00:46:21.560
I look a little deeper and then I decide for myself what I want to believe.
00:46:25.160
So I feel like it's really that's a lot of us of a lot more people did that.
00:46:28.500
That's why I always think, I think it's all the people on the fringe who are undecided
00:46:34.480
Those, I think a lot of times those are people that we can influence to help.
00:46:39.480
There's more of those than there are all like a extreme on either.
00:46:43.360
And, and I do think that's, that's kind of what I'm trying to do in climate and some
00:46:47.500
of our initiatives is there's people that are never, no matter what evidence they're
00:46:52.260
shown, they're never going to believe that climate change is man made and fixable.
00:46:57.580
And they're going to believe that the cure is going to be worse than the result of the
00:47:03.120
And there's going to be a bunch of tree huggers that believe it anyway, which is another extremist
00:47:09.580
When they're like, Oh, we should just get rid of all cars.
00:47:13.200
It's like, well, that's not how that's not going to work.
00:47:16.100
We can transition away from oil slowly over decades.
00:47:22.100
So, but yeah, the movable middle, we call them.
00:47:27.980
So this video, in this video, it's Neil deGrasse Tyson explains that eventually when
00:47:33.100
the water is stored in ice pack, ice packs melts due to rising global temperatures, the
00:47:38.100
sea levels are projected to rise to the height of the statue of Liberty's arm.
00:47:42.080
So entire coastal cities will be submerged and the way humanity currently exists will
00:47:49.120
So obviously that's not a bad video, but the comments are bad.
00:47:55.140
All these intelligent people still think humans are causing climate change.
00:48:02.340
And just the world, the world, the earth just decided to turn against us at this time.
00:48:07.640
Again, they don't view it as a, that bad, but it just gets so, it's so complicated to
00:48:13.640
unpack because mostly it has to do with partisan politics.
00:48:16.840
So mostly if you're a Republican and you're in your white right winger, you view kind of
00:48:23.280
scientists as being part of like academia and academia is bad because it's all a liberal
00:48:28.420
conspiracy and the liberal conspiracy is to have increased government and have more legislation
00:48:35.000
And if you're from the political right, you want less government.
00:48:38.920
And so anything having to do with like mandates of like how many miles per gallon cars should
00:48:44.160
get and how we should use renewable resources and, you know, limiting coal mining and oil exploration,
00:48:54.240
So from a political point of view, climate change becomes the enemy because climate change
00:49:03.720
And we're going to need some kind of government or government coalitions to, to effectuate,
00:49:11.040
So then it's just becomes right versus left, you know, and it's, it's, it's unfortunate,
00:49:19.620
We're going to need countries to work together internationally.
00:49:23.200
We're going to need, um, uh, collective action and we're going to need some laws that, that
00:49:32.280
Like I remember visiting LA in the seventies when I was a little kid, we went to Disneyland
00:49:43.460
It was, it, the, the smog in LA in the seventies was like so bad.
00:49:50.480
We passed laws and we have emissions standards and we banned like, you know, unleaded gasoline
00:50:01.800
And like the air in LA is way better than it was.
00:50:09.040
So back in the seventies and eighties, again, uh, hairspray and like Lysol had CFCs, chlorofluorocarbons
00:50:19.280
And it was, we found out it was burning a hole in the ozone layer and, and it really
00:50:25.720
And so they collectively, all the countries got together and banned chlorofluorocarbons.
00:50:31.180
We've almost healed the hole in the ozone layer that we caused in the seventies and eighties.
00:50:37.600
It's crazy how it's like, we've proven that it is possible that we can do it.
00:50:41.940
And it's, I think it's getting, like you said, it's just a really contentious point now.
00:50:47.200
And especially with the access of social media and everything, it gives people more, it more
00:50:53.600
access to more voices, whether they're for it or against it, unfortunately.
00:50:59.340
And the, the truth is, I don't know, I don't have the percentage, uh, on the tip of my
00:51:04.280
tongue, but a vast majority of Americans think that climate change is man-made and that stuff
00:51:10.880
There's a very, very vocal, like 15% that is online on everything.
00:51:17.000
And there will be on this conversation and they'll be saying, and the other thing they're
00:51:21.320
going to say is like, fuck you, Hollywood celebrity telling me how to act, flying around
00:51:26.380
in your private jets with your giant house and your 17 cars.
00:51:32.500
And I'm surprised that one's not on there because that's a very popular one.
00:51:37.120
Especially when celebrities talk about climate change.
00:51:46.340
Do not listen to Rainn Wilson, douchebag, weirdo, liberal, former washed up sitcom actor.
00:51:53.920
Please go read Paul Hawken, Catherine Hayhoe, Michael Mann, all the top climate scientists
00:52:05.100
If anything, I've told people before, like, you know, I'm not an expert on stuff.
00:52:09.200
Like for my platform specifically, obviously I talk about misogyny and the patriarchy and
00:52:20.520
And whenever I talk about that, even when I wrote my book, I got a really interesting
00:52:26.580
And this person asked me, like, what would you say?
00:52:31.760
Because my book is, it's part memoir, part like manifesto, part, it's more sort of like
00:52:49.000
And so the person who asked me the question, it was such an interesting question.
00:52:55.580
I love when I get really good questions that make me think.
00:52:58.380
But they asked me, what would you say to someone who read your book and thought, like,
00:53:02.280
this is great, but it's entry-level feminism, right?
00:53:09.260
And I said, honestly, I would say you're right.
00:53:13.040
There's nothing wrong with entry-level feminism.
00:53:24.860
I'm just a very proud and vocal intersectional feminist.
00:53:37.960
I said, the only difference is I just, I had social media.
00:53:44.220
But when, if that's their first intro to intersectional feminism and it makes them want to pursue higher learning, I think that's great.
00:53:59.400
There's so many wonderful feminist authors that you could look into from so many different backgrounds that are actually, like, licensed and have doctorates in this.
00:54:08.640
And I said, the only thing I have is my lived experience as, like, an indigenous plus-size woman in this world.
00:54:16.400
That's what I am an expert in is my lived experience.
00:54:19.140
And that's really what I talk about in my own personal ideologies and why, you know, it's very anecdotal in a lot of ways.
00:54:25.000
So, when I was explaining that to them, they were like, oh, okay, like, that's really interesting.
00:54:35.520
Like, please go, if anything, we're, what we, one of the wonderful parts of what we do and, like, obviously, you're way more famous than me.
00:54:50.860
And yet, here you are having to come on my show because you need me.
00:55:01.120
I need to connect with the young, vibrant generation.
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So he wants, when I go on the campus, he'll, he wants me to like put on a COVID mask so people won't, people know like the word has gotten out, but he just doesn't want me to, it's okay.
00:56:34.920
It's, it's really a challenge to be a kid of a celebrity.
00:56:38.640
It's a whole different weird set of challenges.
00:56:59.000
I've told people if you're an entertainer, you have to love attention to some extent, even just a little.
00:57:02.880
This whole thing of like the actor's like, I just don't want anyone looking at me.
00:57:15.060
I've told people there are certain aspects to this job for me that because I was so aggressively normal before this happened.
00:57:20.760
And now this happened, there are certain aspects that make me uncomfortable sometimes.
00:57:25.040
Like the privacy thing is a little, is a little bothersome to me sometimes.
00:57:45.260
What is, okay, let me read some more comments on this.
00:57:48.840
This one says, sea levels were going to rise by 20 feet in 2000, still waiting.
00:57:57.740
I feel like they think 20 feet's like 2 billion.
00:58:00.200
But again, again, where's your source for that?
00:58:01.960
You know, that's, where's, where is the quote from whatever climate scientist said?
00:58:09.640
Where's, that sea level is going to be up 20 feet by the year 2000.
00:58:13.200
Where, you know, where does it, where does it, who predicted that?
00:58:16.600
So climate predictions by and large by the climate scientists that have been, that were started
00:58:23.180
in the 70s and 80s are pretty much right on the money.
00:58:27.220
Is it, you know, there might be, you know, Al Gore made some sweeping generalizations in
00:58:39.960
Miami is basically half underwater at this point.
00:58:43.240
And one of the things, they won't insure cars now for water damage in Miami.
00:58:49.660
So, because they're driving down streets that are covered in seawater from rising sea levels.
00:58:54.860
So, you know, no one said sea levels were going to rise by the year 2000.
00:59:03.200
And we see that in all kinds of flooding that's happening all around the world.
00:59:10.580
It says, I was told this was all supposed to happen in the 80s and then the 90s and then
00:59:19.220
I love the idea that, like, let's just, like, say that there was this huge conspiracy to
00:59:26.120
just convince people that climate change was a thing, even though it wasn't.
00:59:30.140
And it's just to, okay, make more legislation, more government.
00:59:38.980
So, like, if it becomes a more police state, which it is, if it becomes more policed or
00:59:44.460
more, whether that's through legislation or what, who, I also suffer because why would
00:59:50.120
I be, why would I be trying to convince you to buy into it if it was also going to harm
00:59:55.980
Like, who were the first, what were the first organizations that did the studies that
01:00:06.380
The first data came from oil companies, and they knew about the damage that their companies
01:00:15.980
They led with it for a while, and then they buried it, and then they had campaigns to try
01:00:23.500
and discount their own evidence that they uncovered in their 70s and 80s.
01:00:30.560
So, if you also want to learn more about this, you can simply read the United States
01:00:36.280
military's kind of guide to military preparedness around climate change.
01:00:42.040
The U.S. military believes in climate change and its ramifications around the world.
01:00:48.260
What are increased, you know, weather, hardcore weather events going to do?
01:00:55.800
How is this going to affect, you know, international relations, and how should we be prepared as
01:01:03.320
So, people who don't believe in climate change must also not love and support the military.
01:01:08.180
Do you think the military, like, just bought this?
01:01:10.440
Like, do you think NASA just kind of, like, you know, drank the liberal Kool-Aid around climate
01:01:16.540
It's like, and Exxon and Shell back in the 70s and 80s?
01:01:26.020
It's a parallel in the same way when during COVID, when people who are actively speaking
01:01:31.120
out against a vaccine and saying COVID wasn't real, were all getting vaccinated.
01:01:35.600
So, it's like, they're saying one thing, but they're doing another.
01:01:38.120
So, maybe we should be following actions as opposed to, like, rhetoric and, like, scare tactics.
01:01:42.660
And, like you said, maybe we should learn to think for ourselves and kind of put the pieces
01:01:48.640
Like, they're saying that, but they're doing the opposite.
01:01:51.380
And when you don't want to think for yourself, that's fine.
01:01:53.720
Just do with the experts, with the people that have spent 30, 40, 50 years studying it.
01:02:01.380
Not the one cuckoo oddball in the corner who's like, they're all wrong.
01:02:06.060
Yeah, they're like, all these people are sheep, and I figured it out.
01:02:13.980
You're the one that figured it out, that's seen through it all.
01:02:17.340
I think a lot of those people, too, think, have you watched The Last of Us?
01:02:21.840
You know the scene with Nick, was it Nick Offerman that he used?
01:02:26.920
You know how he was kind of that, like, libertarian, like, living outside no government, all government's
01:02:31.460
bad government, and then the world ended, and he ended up being right about what he was.
01:02:35.080
I think a lot of those people think they're that guy, and they're not.
01:02:43.460
Do you think you would survive in a zombie apocalypse?
01:02:47.380
I've learned enough from the character that I played, Dwight Schrute, to I have weapons
01:02:54.980
But, you know, it comes down to this whole balance between individual freedom and initiative.
01:03:00.600
You know, this American ideal of, like, don't tread on me, you know, and every man for himself,
01:03:20.060
So how do we live in better unity, you know, in ever larger, kind of more cooperative tribes?
01:03:29.480
This is part of a spiritual journey that humanity needs to make and take together.
01:03:34.960
How do we find that balance where, of course, we don't all want to be sheeple with a big
01:03:39.300
authoritarian state, whether it's from the political left or the political right, telling
01:03:43.280
us what to think and what we can and cannot do.
01:03:46.280
But at the same time, we do work together as tribes coming together and cooperating.
01:03:56.960
And like I said, it doesn't work unless we're all on the same, at least train moving forward.
01:04:02.860
We may not all be on the same side, but at least moving in the same direction.
01:04:08.900
We're happier when we're in community with one another.
01:04:12.020
And that's why I feel like a lot of the most hateful people on the internet, for example,
01:04:28.840
Actually, years ago, when I first really blew up and I got a lot of hate, a lot of men making
01:04:36.060
And I had one guy in particular make a video about me that I never forgot to this day.
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And he actually expressed how he's like, honestly, I've seen a lot of the criticisms of Drew
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and her platform and I wanted to comment on it.
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And he was a white guy, a former military member.
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And he said, like, if I had come across Drew's page like five, six years ago, I would have
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Like, if I came across her years ago, I would have hated her also.
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And he was like, but I did a lot of learning and growing and evolving.
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And he's like, I got to a point in my life where I was like, I am so miserable.
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I hate seeing people different from me that are happy.
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And he's like, when I had that really honest conversation with myself, I started doing a
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lot of reading and trying to understand, like, why do I feel this way?
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And he said he read this story, and I forget the name of it, but it was something about a
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Just the dog sits on the nail every single day and yelps, but still sits there every
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And so they ask if the dog knows that it hurts, why does it continue to sit on the
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Once it hurts enough, he'll no longer sit there.
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Like, he's like, sometimes you don't listen until it hurts enough.
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And so that's what she does, is she hurts you enough to the point where it's going
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to make you either stop what you're doing entirely, or it's going to make you rethink
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Her goal isn't to change you, and that's not her job.
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But we can refer that back to climate change because we're sitting on the nail and prices
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are going up, extreme weather events, the hottest year on record last year, but it hasn't been
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So unfortunately, humanity is going to have to hit bottom and go to rehab in order it starts
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We're addicted to oil and convenience and energy and capitalism and gain materialism and we're
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So things are going to have to really break down before we kind of look in the mirror and
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go, like that guy did, and go, okay, we're willing to make some sacrifices in order to change.
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And I think, too, that, like I said earlier, it's very, to me, I feel like how other people
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react to things when they're being actively oppressed or harassed or disrespected or whatever
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But that's because that's something that's happening to that individual, right?
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When we're talking about something as serious as climate change, that's something that affects
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So it's important, like you said, individualism is very important, but collectivism is just as
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And I feel like, too, even when I talk about, like on my platform, about men and, you know,
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ones that suck or whatever and how they suck, but I've also said, I've gotten criticism,
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especially recently, of men saying, like, oh, well, you have a man.
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To which I'm saying, like, well, I can still hate the collective of a misogynistic man and
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That math is damn near impossible for them to do.
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And when they're talking about that, like, in reference to me, I always think, first of
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all, to give me credit personally for making all women hate men is crazy, considering we're
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They've done more than enough things, including climate change.
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I made this joke in a video recently where I'm like, everything awful you can think of
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in the world can be traced back to a man, whether it's traffic, capitalism, war, or
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So I always think you don't need my help to get people to hate you.
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The only thing I'm trying to get people to hate papayas.
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I still don't get the point of it, but whatever.
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So if he's wearing shoes, like just any shoes, what if he wasn't wearing shoes?
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And then after he looks at you and he looks up at you, you go, got him.
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Rain, that's why they pay me the big bucks around here.
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Well, to wrap things up, I would love to know, what would you say is your best piece of advice
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for someone who maybe is trying to, whether it's inspire or move people to want to learn
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more about climate change or do what they can or kind of get them to at least care or pay
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attention to it, what would you say is your best piece of advice for them?
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I think climate is a tough one because, again, what can we do as individuals?
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It's a topic of 200 countries and 7 billion people.
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Find people that you kind of can collaborate with and work together.
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Build community around the ideas around climate and climate activism and just get educated.
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I forgot the name of them, but he has two books and they simplify everything and they
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Highly recommend those books as a starting place.
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Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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I don't even know when they're going to see this episode, so I guess we'll see.
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I will be going on that podcast tomorrow, though.
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I'm sure everybody knows, but where can everybody find you on socials if you have...
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Follow at Soul Boom on Instagram, TikTok, and the YouTubes.
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See, the country I run in here, it's a dictatorship.
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I'm real medieval in the way I rule my country.
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Thank you so much for joining us on this episode.
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Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Rainn Wilson, and I'll see you next week.