The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - WHAT WAS YOUR WHIMSY？ Ft. JVN ｜ Episode 198

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00:00:31.300 It was just like a convex board and it is not as convex. 0.99

00:00:35.900 No, it is not.

00:00:36.960 And I want people to know.

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00:00:52.060 Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show

00:00:55.320 starring me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me.

00:00:57.800 On to the guest today.

00:00:59.060 We have an all-star, one of my faves ever to exist in the history of time, always,

00:01:03.060 the one, the only, JVN.

00:01:05.240 I'm here.

00:01:07.640 I think we have to start off with the elephant in the room

00:01:10.020 that everyone wants to know right away.

00:01:11.580 Right.

00:01:12.540 Do your people know who made these boots or what are these boots?

00:01:15.280 They are the cutest boots.

00:01:16.240 I'm obsessed with them.

00:01:17.960 I think they're Dolce Vita.

00:01:19.380 Yes, they are. 0.93

00:01:20.020 They are so fucking cute. 0.82

00:01:21.440 Thank you. 0.97

00:01:21.620 And they are so good on your ankle.

00:01:23.820 Right?

00:01:24.460 I'm just very passionate about a pant-to-shoe transition.

00:01:27.260 Oh, my God, T.

00:01:28.280 And the pant-to-shoe transition that you're giving us right now, 0.98

00:01:30.940 I also notoriously have very dead, unreactive nipples. 0.53

00:01:34.400 And it's making them kind of tingle because it's so good. 0.95

00:01:38.020 I'm so honored. 0.99

00:01:38.460 I'm honored my Dolce Vita boots could do that for you and your nipples. 0.99

00:01:41.120 I think that's wonderful. 0.97

00:01:42.120 I don't know if that was TMI right at the top.

00:01:43.440 No, it's a beautiful thing.

00:01:44.880 And honestly, you know what's funny?

00:01:45.880 I got these in PR and, like, probably two years ago, they're probably one of my most worn boots.

00:01:51.420 Look at how good they held up.

00:01:53.060 I know.

00:01:53.300 And I love a pointy toe underneath a jean.

00:01:56.420 Oh.

00:01:56.620 And it's so funny you say that about the boot transition because that's also why I like these

00:02:00.240 because they go up a little high.

00:02:01.800 So it looks a little, you know, a little peekaboo.

00:02:04.020 I love how it looks.

00:02:05.880 Pointed toes make my bunions hurt so bad.

00:02:08.540 And in my advanced age, I can't even do pointed toes anymore.

00:02:10.980 Really?

00:02:11.300 No, I can feel my feet pounding in my ears and my third eye and I get grouchy and I just

00:02:17.760 can't do it anymore.

00:02:18.380 So I just, I can't do pointed toes.

00:02:20.080 Honestly, that's so real.

00:02:21.860 When I wear uncomfortable shoes, like, literally, I was joking about this with my sister.

00:02:26.720 Like, when my feet hurt, I'm on a clock.

00:02:29.440 Like, if I'm at an event and my feet hurt, like, it's about a 30-minute window before

00:02:34.460 I start turning terrible because my feet hurt so bad.

00:02:37.240 I'm not kidding you.

00:02:38.200 Sometimes I wonder if Rolling Stone was because I didn't know that about myself yet because,

00:02:44.260 like, I just didn't know how to wear shoes.

00:02:46.140 Like, when I wear uncomfortable shoes, I become crazy.

00:02:48.380 Like, my inner bad girl.

00:02:50.300 No, because, like, I can literally feel my bunions, like, pounding in my ears and my

00:02:53.880 third eye.

00:02:54.460 It is the worst feeling.

00:02:55.920 And the showrunner from Queer Eye was literally like, you can't wear these shoes anymore. 0.94

00:02:59.460 Like, you just act fucking crazy when you wear these shoes. 0.71

00:03:02.300 Something about those. 0.98

00:03:03.540 And then I learned platforms, no stilettos.

00:03:05.200 Because it has to be a platform and it has to be a round toe or, like, a square toe.

00:03:10.020 Like, my feet have to have room or I freak out.

00:03:14.360 Like, I just am not going to mess up.

00:03:16.020 I know.

00:03:16.080 I compared it.

00:03:16.860 I feel like Venom.

00:03:18.720 Like, Tom Hardy in Venom, you know?

00:03:20.160 Like, how it's, like, it, like, tells him to smash people's heads in the walls.

00:03:24.060 And he's like, oh, I can't, can't.

00:03:25.700 That's how I feel, too.

00:03:26.580 Like, my feet are telling me to do awful things.

00:03:28.200 Get the shoes off. 0.78

00:03:28.980 And then you're like, oh, my God, there I am again.

00:03:31.280 I'm so sorry about that.

00:03:32.320 Yes.

00:03:32.600 I don't know who that was.

00:03:33.380 I don't know who that person was.

00:03:35.460 You know what's, like, coming up a lot for me lately?

00:03:39.020 You're too young to really stand the bodyguard with Whitney Houston, true or false?

00:03:44.840 No, I do.

00:03:45.560 I'm familiar with the, is it Kevin Costner?

00:03:48.320 Yeah, of course.

00:03:48.880 Yeah.

00:03:49.160 So, okay, and I know that they had, like, a very real love, yes?

00:03:53.220 Yes.

00:03:53.660 Like, that was never really pursued?

00:03:56.020 Oh, no, they pursued it at the end.

00:03:57.220 Or was it one of those things where he was like, the greatest love of my life was always her?

00:04:01.700 Um, well, you don't really know because the runway at the end, like, the airplane is such a big deal.

00:04:06.700 But the reason I bring it up.

00:04:08.000 Right.

00:04:08.520 Is there's this very important scene where, and I don't want to do any spoilers.

00:04:12.040 It's such a good movie.

00:04:12.620 You should watch it.

00:04:13.160 But basically, there is this stalker who's, like, trying to hurt Whitney.

00:04:16.840 And you think you know who it is, but then you find out that her sister hired this hitman.

00:04:22.240 And Kevin's, like, to the sister, he's like, how could you do this?

00:04:26.040 Like, why would you do this to your sister?

00:04:27.640 And she was like, I don't know.

00:04:30.140 I was very stoned.

00:04:32.720 And even as an eight-year-old, I was like, what weed were you smoking that you got high and, like, tried to kill your sister? 0.56

00:04:39.100 Like, that was, like, not, and, like, what Ronald Reagan-ass writers wrote that line.

00:04:43.620 Because it's just not even true.

00:04:44.680 But I do think that for this younger generation, they should see The Bodyguard and know it more intrinsically. 0.96

00:04:49.520 Because it is such a fucking incredible piece of cinema. 0.97

00:04:53.560 Right. 0.99

00:04:53.940 And I just want people to, like, know it in their bones how I do.

00:04:56.860 Because it's so moving.

00:04:59.100 I agree with you.

00:05:00.240 It really is, like, beautiful.

00:05:01.680 And I've seen, like, clips from it.

00:05:04.040 And I'm familiar with the lore from it.

00:05:05.900 Did they have something in real life after the movie?

00:05:08.500 I don't know.

00:05:09.200 But the way their interviews, the way they spoke about each other in interviews was really, like, heartening and beautiful.

00:05:13.160 Did you ever see the clip of, like, when he throws up the scarf and it, like, splits over the sword?

00:05:17.880 No. 1.00

00:05:19.060 Fuck. 1.00

00:05:19.260 Oh, my gosh. 1.00

00:05:19.780 She can do anything.

00:05:21.840 It's so hot.

00:05:23.080 No, it's Kevin Costner.

00:05:24.100 They're, like, and then Kevin, like, takes this, like, scarf, like, off, like, that she's, like, wearing.

00:05:28.240 And he, like, throws it up.

00:05:29.080 And for some reason, there's, like, a sword on the wall.

00:05:31.040 And I don't know.

00:05:32.840 He's, like, a bodyguard.

00:05:33.640 So there's, like, a sword.

00:05:34.660 And then the scarf, like, falls over this sword. 0.98

00:05:36.900 And it, like, fucking splits it in half. 0.98

00:05:39.000 Ooh. 0.99

00:05:39.460 It's, like, ASMR.

00:05:40.400 I literally have the chills.

00:05:42.240 Like, I want to start. 1.00

00:05:43.280 I want this couch to fuck me right now. 1.00

00:05:45.240 You thinking about it? 1.00

00:05:46.320 Yes.

00:05:46.840 Makes you want to go crazy.

00:05:48.020 Yeah, people should watch A Bodyguard.

00:05:50.000 I'm happy.

00:05:50.580 I think that's great advice.

00:05:51.680 Yeah.

00:05:51.820 Honestly.

00:05:52.260 I didn't know you were going to go there.

00:05:53.000 I'm sorry.

00:05:53.840 I'll get started, honestly.

00:05:54.920 You do it.

00:05:55.180 I haven't even seen it.

00:05:55.920 And then let me know.

00:05:56.760 I will.

00:05:57.400 I would love to.

00:05:58.320 I'll text you about it.

00:05:59.500 Also, that does remind me.

00:06:00.720 I did see the new Wicked movie last night.

00:06:03.260 You guys, I literally didn't get invited.

00:06:05.380 I know.

00:06:05.720 And I find that insane.

00:06:06.900 Am I, like, am I just over?

00:06:08.740 No. 0.99

00:06:08.900 Like, I didn't even get invited to the fucking Wicked premiere. 0.98

00:06:11.580 Like, am I just, I'm just, like, do they just think I'm, like, in Texas and just don't 0.99

00:06:15.240 even want to come?

00:06:16.260 Well, also, I think you're just so famous that sometimes I think they're, like, well, they're

00:06:20.100 probably busy.

00:06:21.260 That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

00:06:23.020 I am so pro-Wicked.

00:06:24.540 I can't believe.

00:06:25.000 I'm pro-ho. 0.51

00:06:25.560 I'm pro-Wicked.

00:06:26.140 I love Wicked.

00:06:26.860 And you're pro-musical theater.

00:06:28.080 I'm so pro-musical theater.

00:06:29.360 You love musical theater.

00:06:29.780 I love musical theater.

00:06:30.700 I love Wicked.

00:06:31.140 Was it everything that we thought it was going to be?

00:06:32.920 It really was.

00:06:33.940 Like, I say with full chest, full heart, like, lived up to the hype and then some.

00:06:39.280 Like, truly.

00:06:40.340 And I was, like, these are not spoilers, by the way, but, like, when they do As Long

00:06:43.100 As You're Mine, okay, T, T, T, T, T, T.

00:06:47.540 But also, I literally, like, it was far more, like, sensual.

00:06:52.940 Oh, sench. 0.97

00:06:53.480 Yeah, like, sexy.

00:06:55.500 No.

00:06:56.040 Oh.

00:06:56.300 As Long As You're Mine between, uh, well, I guess you could say maybe Savick if it counts, 0.94

00:07:00.380 like, Cynthia Erivo, Jonathan Bailey.

00:07:01.760 Oh, I forgot that's there.

00:07:02.780 I was, that's not the song I was thinking of.

00:07:04.620 Oh, As Long As You're Mine.

00:07:05.680 I was thinking of, um, Because I Knew You.

00:07:08.420 Oh, yeah.

00:07:09.100 Oh, my God.

00:07:09.280 Yeah, and I was like, I was like, oh, are they bringing, like, a lesbian thing to it? 0.97

00:07:12.200 That's hot.

00:07:12.540 And then you're going, why didn't they invite me?

00:07:14.140 I love that. 0.95

00:07:14.860 And it was, like, so gay. 0.97

00:07:16.080 Yeah. 0.91

00:07:16.240 Yeah, but no, but so that was more sensual.

00:07:18.600 Cynthia and Jonathan got really sensed.

00:07:20.260 Yeah.

00:07:20.440 Yeah, like, it was far more sensual than I thought it was going to be, but it was tea.

00:07:23.380 I love.

00:07:23.820 It was so, honestly, if you love Jonathan Bailey.

00:07:26.880 Who doesn't?

00:07:27.420 If you're attracted to him in any way, shape, or form, that's the movie for you.

00:07:31.680 Not to name drop, but one time I met him in real life on the set of Bridgerton, and he

00:07:36.100 was so nice.

00:07:37.820 Really?

00:07:38.320 I'm still happy to hear that.

00:07:38.720 Yeah, like, he was so nice, and I was like, oh, I under, like, the charisma is really charisma-ing.

00:07:43.540 Right.

00:07:44.140 Now, I know this is your podcast.

00:07:45.320 Yes.

00:07:45.440 And you need to be asking me questions, but I want to ask you a question.

00:07:47.600 Please do.

00:07:47.800 Because you're the only one of the two of us that saw Wicked.

00:07:50.040 Yes.

00:07:51.080 And I don't know what they're going to be up against, but I'm really hoping for an Oscar

00:07:55.480 for our girls.

00:07:56.780 Yes, I agree.

00:07:57.560 And, like, yes, it's an honor to be nominated, but I do believe that I don't care who they're

00:08:02.240 up against.

00:08:02.720 Like, if they don't both win, I've been through too much.

00:08:05.980 And I think we all have, like, culturally.

00:08:08.420 Yeah, we earned it.

00:08:09.360 So you'd think that they will, right?

00:08:11.720 I mean, I think they should.

00:08:14.700 I don't know if they will.

00:08:15.160 But maybe you won't will?

00:08:16.500 The only reason I say I don't know if they will.

00:08:18.060 Because you don't know who we're up against.

00:08:19.060 Yeah, well, and also it's the Academy, so I don't know.

00:08:21.600 Like, the way they pick is very confusing to me sometimes.

00:08:24.320 Because who would have known, like, Anora was going to beat Demi more, but I just was

00:08:28.800 always, I've just been, like, Tyra Banks for Tiffany for the girls from Wicked.

00:08:35.260 Like, I am rooting for them so hard, and I just, I want them to win so bad.

00:08:38.900 Me too.

00:08:38.960 I want both of them to win.

00:08:40.140 I agree.

00:08:40.720 Like, I have not wanted someone to win this bad since Michelle Kwan in 1998.

00:08:44.760 I knew you were going to reference Michelle Kwan.

00:08:46.380 Yes, and I have not wanted this bad.

00:08:48.220 And I wanted that so much that sometimes I wonder if it was my fault that, like, she got silver.

00:08:52.700 You know, like, I don't know if I willed it from, like, Quincy Eleanor, but I just,

00:08:56.400 so I don't want to want it too much that I, like, chase it away energetically, but I

00:08:59.100 am, like, literally ripping my hair out thinking about it.

00:09:01.600 And earlier, when you were telling me about it, like, my fingers were, like, gripping.

00:09:04.340 Like, I am, like, so, my body's ready.

00:09:06.980 They were, like, truly unbelievable in it.

00:09:09.040 They were, right?

00:09:09.820 It was unbelievable.

00:09:10.860 How was the glam?

00:09:12.760 It was so good.

00:09:13.820 Honestly, especially Cynthia's.

00:09:15.200 I think Cynthia, ooh, she looks so stunning. 0.83

00:09:17.980 Obviously, Ariana Grande always looks stunning. 1.00

00:09:19.520 But, you know, Glinda has a very similar look throughout.

00:09:21.580 Yes.

00:09:22.020 And they were giving Elphaba range a little bit in her looks.

00:09:25.040 Loved.

00:09:25.880 Okay, not to name stuff as well, but I did get to interview Frances Hannan on the pod,

00:09:29.380 who is the beauty designer.

00:09:31.020 She, like, did all the hair and makeup, and she was, like, the lead principal for it.

00:09:33.680 Yeah.

00:09:34.100 And she did tell me that Elphaba has, like, more of a transition from her story visually.

00:09:39.200 Yes.

00:09:39.820 Especially with, like, the hair.

00:09:41.300 Yeah, totally.

00:09:42.060 And she was telling, like, the story about, like, how she achieved Elphaba's green was really

00:09:47.400 interesting.

00:09:48.240 Cool.

00:09:48.520 That's cool.

00:09:49.900 Frances Hannan would be, if you're a big Wicked Queen, you should get her on the pod. 1.00

00:09:53.260 She's, like, incredible.

00:09:54.600 Amazing.

00:09:55.280 And I had Cynthia on.

00:09:56.440 Oh.

00:09:56.900 I had Cynthia on the pod, and she is a light, a gem.

00:10:00.180 I love her so much.

00:10:00.960 I bet people would hate to know that she is so nice.

00:10:03.500 She is so nice and funny and sweet.

00:10:06.800 I have another story about her.

00:10:07.720 And hilarious.

00:10:08.240 Please.

00:10:08.480 A really good one.

00:10:08.880 Let's.

00:10:09.240 I love her.

00:10:09.700 This one day, I was minding my own business in Bergdorf's in New York City.

00:10:11.960 Yeah.

00:10:12.300 And I was with my husband, and we were shopping, and it was, like, a Wednesday.

00:10:15.080 Okay. 0.99

00:10:15.200 And he was, like, don't shit your pants in public right now. 0.98

00:10:19.140 Like, I need you to, like, not- 0.99

00:10:20.960 Lock in.

00:10:21.620 Yes.

00:10:22.040 Mm-hmm.

00:10:22.980 But when you turn around, Cynthia's literally, like, right there.

00:10:26.400 Mm-hmm.

00:10:26.700 Like, we're both at Bergdorf's all at the same time, and she was alone.

00:10:29.420 She was just, like, not even with, like, a gigantic entret.

00:10:31.400 She was just, like, shopping on her own.

00:10:33.060 Tea.

00:10:33.940 But we had met this one other time, so it wasn't, like, a second.

00:10:36.020 But I just was, like, I have to be cool, and I don't want to be too much.

00:10:39.020 So I just was, like, oh, my God, hi.

00:10:42.520 And then she was, like, hey, in, like, her British accent.

00:10:45.020 Yeah.

00:10:45.360 And then I was, like, oh, my God, it's really good to see you.

00:10:47.020 Like, enjoy your shopping.

00:10:47.800 Okay, love you.

00:10:48.220 Like, I'm pretty sure I came off really cool.

00:10:51.300 Oh, I'm sure.

00:10:52.000 And, like, not trying too hard.

00:10:52.860 I'm sure she loved.

00:10:53.640 Because I wanted to, because what I really wanted to do was invite myself to, like, hang out with her

00:10:57.140 and, like, go up and get tea on the seventh floor.

00:10:59.260 Right.

00:10:59.620 But I didn't.

00:11:00.580 You held back, and that's good.

00:11:02.560 You exercised restraint.

00:11:03.780 I'm proud of you.

00:11:03.820 Leave them wanting more?

00:11:06.200 I literally love, I loved talking to her.

00:11:09.280 She was the sweetest.

00:11:10.540 And, like, she's funny.

00:11:12.360 Right? 0.98

00:11:12.720 Like, she's so fucking funny. 0.97

00:11:13.760 Well, because she's a musical theater person. 1.00

00:11:15.280 I know.

00:11:15.520 So she's got a lot of wit and banter about her. 1.00

00:11:17.400 I fucking love that. 0.98

00:11:18.500 Yes. 0.99

00:11:18.800 And Ariana Grande, I've met in passing at the Oscars.

00:11:22.800 I haven't gotten to meet her for real for real yet, but I would love to.

00:11:26.580 She's, like, I'm chasing her down for the pod.

00:11:28.980 Hopefully it comes true.

00:11:30.540 I did get to meet her, and between her and Michelle Kwan, like, I have just been spoiled

00:11:39.360 by meeting my heroes.

00:11:40.460 Like, they've all, like, smashed my expectations, like, in such a big way.

00:11:45.060 Right.

00:11:45.540 That it's kind of, like, dang.

00:11:47.700 Yeah.

00:11:48.240 Like, now it's, like, even if I meet a hero and they're not that nice, it's, like, fine

00:11:50.960 for me.

00:11:51.300 Because, like, Ariana and Michelle Kwan have been, and they both follow me, and we're,

00:11:54.700 like, friends.

00:11:55.020 And so get out of here.

00:11:56.780 You know what I mean?

00:11:57.180 That's how I felt meeting Beyonce. 0.99

00:11:59.500 Now that is a fucking flex. 0.97

00:12:01.100 Yeah, because, like, I got asked once in an interview, like, do you get nervous interviewing, 0.98

00:12:04.660 like, celebrities and stuff, whether it's on this show or in the carpets?

00:12:08.200 And I was, like, no, never.

00:12:10.140 I never get starstruck.

00:12:11.920 I think that's, like, a cool thing about me, that I never get starstruck.

00:12:14.380 But I think that's what makes me, it's easier to chat with me.

00:12:17.360 And good at it.

00:12:18.100 Right.

00:12:18.780 And I was, like, except Beyonce.

00:12:20.200 Like, that's different.

00:12:21.460 That doesn't count.

00:12:22.160 That's different.

00:12:23.100 For those of us that don't know this story, would you mind telling, like, how did that,

00:12:25.700 like, where, when, why, how, everything?

00:12:27.420 He's talking about everything.

00:12:27.960 I got invited to her birthday show, like, of Renaissance.

00:12:33.500 In what year?

00:12:34.480 That was 2023.

00:12:36.280 Oh, my God.

00:12:36.980 Yeah.

00:12:37.300 So I went to the birthday show.

00:12:39.460 That's where they had Diana Ross. 1.00

00:12:40.540 And, like, I think, who else was there at this two?

00:12:43.000 I feel like I remember Lizzo being there.

00:12:45.000 She was at one, but she wasn't at the birthday show with me.

00:12:47.820 Yeah, why?

00:12:48.440 Who was Kate Trinata?

00:12:49.480 Yeah, Kate Trinata.

00:12:50.680 Like, it was, like, a stack show because it was her birthday show.

00:12:53.260 But at the time, I went with Beyonce's hair brand.

00:12:57.240 Like, they didn't say what it was.

00:12:58.680 Oh.

00:12:58.780 So we had to sign, yeah.

00:12:59.800 So it had no name at the time.

00:13:01.500 And so we just said, like, Beyonce's hair brand.

00:13:03.940 That's who I went with.

00:13:04.920 And it was funny because I went two days before that with SoFi.

00:13:08.440 And my team was like, do you want to go again?

00:13:10.160 And two days later, and I was like, yeah, I do.

00:13:12.680 And so I went to that show, which is now, as we know, sacred.

00:13:17.000 But at the time, I remember they had cars sent for us.

00:13:20.360 And they had, like, a bunch of, like, goodie bags and stuff.

00:13:23.800 But they had recordings of her saying, like, hi, Drew.

00:13:27.440 And then thank you so much for coming to my birthday show

00:13:30.040 and help me celebrate my new brand.

00:13:31.780 Like, something like that.

00:13:32.440 It was, like, a personalized message.

00:13:34.120 And when we got to the show, I remember asking, like,

00:13:36.920 when we were, like, hanging out and watching and partying and stuff,

00:13:39.320 I was like, so, like, is that AI?

00:13:42.020 If it is, lie to me.

00:13:43.240 If it is, lie to me, because I'm going to tell everyone that was really her.

00:13:45.900 And then she was laughing.

00:13:47.020 And she goes, no, it was, she recorded everyone's names.

00:13:49.680 Like, she said hi and then whoever was.

00:13:51.460 Because I think there was only, like, 12 of us.

00:13:53.380 And so she said she did everyone's names,

00:13:54.880 but the rest of the message she did once, obviously.

00:13:56.560 And then they just stitched them together.

00:13:58.100 What a good exclusive list.

00:14:00.200 Girl.

00:14:00.620 And so then, like, now we know as Sacred,

00:14:02.960 I got invited to a Sacred launch party the following year,

00:14:05.680 like, in February, which was last year.

00:14:07.680 Was that when everyone was in white?

00:14:09.080 Yes.

00:14:09.580 Yes, I think I remember that picture.

00:14:11.000 Yeah, so we went, I went to the Sacred hair launch.

00:14:14.200 And, like, I went with Brittany Broski, like,

00:14:16.320 because they said no plus ones.

00:14:17.480 And when they said no plus ones and stuff like that,

00:14:19.080 I was like, okay, she's probably going to be there.

00:14:20.800 So I was thinking at most I would see her from a distance,

00:14:24.180 which is good enough for me.

00:14:25.480 Oh, yeah.

00:14:25.740 Because I'm afraid, because I have idolized her for years.

00:14:29.560 Like, she's, like, my girl.

00:14:30.860 She's my queen.

00:14:32.020 And so when we went together, I was like,

00:14:34.520 she's, you don't think, like, I was like, no, I don't think so.

00:14:37.360 I think, like, she'll be there and, like, announce or whatever.

00:14:40.300 And we're like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

00:14:41.960 And then we did see her from a distance,

00:14:43.500 and she was with Blue and Miss Tina.

00:14:46.620 And they were all together.

00:14:47.440 Tina was there!

00:14:49.080 Yes!

00:14:49.420 Oh, my God, it was crazy.

00:14:50.720 And so we watched it, and that was, like, more than enough for me.

00:14:52.780 I was like, perfect, done.

00:14:53.940 I can die happy.

00:14:54.840 It's totally fine.

00:14:55.740 And then after the party, we were, like, kind of shuffling out.

00:14:59.180 And then my girl, who I worked with from Sacred, she was like,

00:15:02.980 you two come with me.

00:15:04.300 And so we went with her.

00:15:05.280 You and Brittany?

00:15:05.640 Yeah.

00:15:06.060 Oh, my God.

00:15:06.380 And so Brittany was like, what's going on?

00:15:07.960 I was like, yeah.

00:15:08.100 I so wish I could have been a fly on the wall to, like, watch the two of you guys

00:15:10.460 get to meet Beyonce.

00:15:11.360 Like, that was like, I need to see, like, that footage.

00:15:13.120 It would have been so cute. 0.94

00:15:13.920 It was ridiculous. 0.91

00:15:14.760 Because I bet you two were trying to, like, keep it together. 0.72

00:15:16.720 I love Brittany so much.

00:15:17.460 We were.

00:15:17.540 We were trying.

00:15:18.280 And you know us, girl. 0.99

00:15:19.380 Like, we're big fucking yappers. 0.99

00:15:20.480 So, like, we were so mute backstage. 0.99

00:15:22.880 Like, we went behind this little curtain.

00:15:24.140 We were standing for probably only, like, 20, 30 minutes.

00:15:26.460 But it felt like hours.

00:15:28.420 And we were standing there.

00:15:29.400 We were kind of looking at each other.

00:15:30.420 And we were like, yeah, you know.

00:15:31.480 And she was trying to make conversation.

00:15:33.280 And I was going, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.94

00:15:34.640 And then I don't even fucking remember what we were saying.

00:15:36.640 And then I go, honestly, dude, I can't talk. 0.91

00:15:38.180 I'm so nervous.

00:15:39.160 And she goes, me either.

00:15:40.120 Let's just stand here and quiet.

00:15:41.400 And I was like, OK.

00:15:42.680 So we just sat in silence.

00:15:43.960 It's probably good to, like, ground yourself.

00:15:45.160 Yeah, I had to.

00:15:46.240 And then as soon as we walked out, they were like, everyone needs to put all phones, like, in a bag.

00:15:52.240 Zip up the bag. 0.99

00:15:52.920 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:15:53.280 Like, no phones. 1.00

00:15:53.800 I don't want to see any phone.

00:15:54.620 No phones.

00:15:55.200 And we were like, OK, no worries.

00:15:56.360 No worries.

00:15:56.840 No worries.

00:15:57.380 And they were taking us in groups of, like, five or six.

00:16:01.080 Was there a photographer?

00:16:01.860 So you always get a picture?

00:16:03.100 Well, there was one in there.

00:16:04.140 I assumed there would be one.

00:16:05.220 I was like, oh, I hope there's a picture.

00:16:06.920 Otherwise, no one's going to believe me.

00:16:08.340 Yeah, I need to document.

00:16:08.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:09.200 Yeah.

00:16:09.760 And so when we went inside.

00:16:11.020 Oh, because that's probably the picture I saw.

00:16:12.500 Yes.

00:16:12.820 So when we went inside, like, she was sitting in there with Blue and Miss Tina and, like, her whole team.

00:16:18.600 And then she was just standing there waiting for us.

00:16:20.460 And then she was like, hi.

00:16:22.020 Like, and it was just so overwhelming.

00:16:24.480 Like, I really felt like this the whole time.

00:16:25.840 What did you say?

00:16:26.660 I genuinely felt like this the whole time.

00:16:29.920 I was just eyes wide.

00:16:30.660 Did you say anything?

00:16:31.860 I did.

00:16:32.520 Like, she went around the circle and introduced herself to everyone.

00:16:35.820 And she was like, oh. 0.58

00:16:36.900 But was she like, this is Blue and this is, like.

00:16:39.180 What's funny is our friend Alicia Marie, who's been a YouTuber forever,

00:16:43.380 she was with us in our group.

00:16:45.620 And Blue Ivy is actually a huge fan of Alicia's YouTube channel. 1.00

00:16:49.200 What a fucking black. 1.00

00:16:50.260 Yeah, I know. 1.00

00:16:51.820 And so she went up to her.

00:16:53.540 She was like, I'm such a big fan.

00:16:55.280 Like, Blue was talking to Alicia. 1.00

00:16:56.820 And we were so happy for her because we were like, what the fuck, dude? 1.00

00:17:00.080 This is crazy. 0.99

00:17:01.080 It's just crazy to think of someone like Beyonce being on TikTok.

00:17:04.020 Yeah, being on TikTok.

00:17:05.140 It's just crazy to think about.

00:17:06.900 And so me and Brittany, like, she said hi.

00:17:09.480 And she's like, you look amazing.

00:17:11.660 And I said, ah!

00:17:14.580 Thank you so much.

00:17:16.060 Thank you.

00:17:17.440 Love you, huge fan.

00:17:19.380 Thank you so much.

00:17:20.500 I was so like, I literally was like, I'm going to freak out.

00:17:26.500 I'm getting nervous thinking about it again.

00:17:28.420 I'm going to freak out.

00:17:30.220 I have loved, I literally, I didn't even get to tell her this because I have, I've had this

00:17:34.540 story in my head for years.

00:17:35.580 I'm like, if I ever met her.

00:17:36.580 And when I, when, when Lemonade came out, you know, she only released it on Tidal because

00:17:40.820 Yes, I remember I was there.

00:17:41.880 I literally just canceled my title like three weeks ago.

00:17:43.800 Yeah.

00:17:44.720 I still have mine too. 0.99

00:17:46.440 I literally overdrafted my bank account because I had no fucking money. 0.98

00:17:49.700 Resonates. 0.99

00:17:49.900 Because that's how fucking bad I needed it. 0.97

00:17:51.940 I was like, I need this album so bad. 0.94

00:17:53.780 I knew when that came out that I had to break up with my boyfriend at the time because

00:17:56.840 when XO came on and all night, he, like, I was sobbing, fighting for my life, watching

00:18:03.460 it live.

00:18:03.820 Like, cause remember, like it came out like on the telly, like all the music videos and

00:18:06.560 I was like fighting for my life, like love, like love and lights out.

00:18:10.320 I was like, Oh God.

00:18:12.340 And then the, and like my, the boyfriend at the time was looking at me all crazy.

00:18:14.980 I was like, this is never going to work.

00:18:16.020 Our worldviews are like too different.

00:18:17.260 You're relating to this?

00:18:17.800 Yeah.

00:18:17.960 Like our worldviews are like too different. 0.98

00:18:19.500 This is like never going to fucking work out.

00:18:21.940 She, and then in real life, just like even more stunning than like anything we've ever 0.96

00:18:25.760 seen.

00:18:25.920 She looks airbrushed.

00:18:27.160 She looks like if you airbrushed a beautiful, perfect picture of someone and it came to life.

00:18:31.780 Just like beyond reproach.

00:18:33.060 Just beyond reproach.

00:18:34.440 And then when they were like, she chatted with all of us and like.

00:18:37.220 How long?

00:18:38.320 I would say probably a good, like 20 minutes, like all of us.

00:18:41.480 Wow.

00:18:41.800 Like, and so that I know, which is like so much time and she doesn't do meet and greets

00:18:44.740 anymore, like ever anymore.

00:18:46.600 And even Brittany was so like scared and nervous too.

00:18:50.460 Cause like she's, we both see her the same way.

00:18:52.440 And I was like telling Brittany, tell her, she's from Houston.

00:18:54.660 Like, I was like, tell her you're from Houston.

00:18:56.520 I was like nudging Brittany.

00:18:57.940 I was like, you're from Houston.

00:18:58.760 Tell her, tell her.

00:18:59.740 And so they were like chatting about Houston and everything.

00:19:02.680 And it was so, it was so fucking awesome.

00:19:04.260 And then they were like, let's take a picture.

00:19:06.460 And then they just literally like, like popped up like these bright lights and everything

00:19:11.460 that like are her lighting.

00:19:12.360 Steve is always ready.

00:19:13.520 Right.

00:19:13.680 Her lighting specifically.

00:19:15.260 And then they took all the pictures.

00:19:16.920 That's how they did it.

00:19:17.440 I love that.

00:19:17.740 She has like a setting, like ready, like at all times, you know, like when people come

00:19:21.920 up to you, like, like people, when people come up to me, like there's like a certain

00:19:25.220 like kind of like things that I can probably predict that someone's going to say to me.

00:19:29.540 Totally. 0.99

00:19:30.040 And I would think that for you, there's like a top three things that, what the fuck do 0.97

00:19:35.420 you think the top three things were that people said to Beyonce before she had like such 0.96

00:19:39.500 a big circle?

00:19:40.380 Like, I wonder what people, but they're probably like, I love it.

00:19:42.360 I love Jumpin' Jumpin'.

00:19:43.140 It's probably been like so long that like, it's probably been since like, you know, 2001. 0.83

00:19:46.980 She's been like, these hoes are not coming within fucking 50 feet and be like, they're 1.00

00:19:49.760 just too thirsty and desperate. 0.98

00:19:51.060 And that's enough.

00:19:51.880 True story.

00:19:52.740 When the four original Destiny, oh my God, am I having a stroke?

00:19:56.800 When the four original Destiny's Child, like when it was like Latavia and like that other 1.00

00:20:00.680 one, they came to my fucking junior high and did a concert like with Beyonce and Kelly 0.92

00:20:05.900 and then like the other two. 0.99

00:20:07.240 And actually, I think, I think Michelle Williams wasn't even in it yet.

00:20:11.600 I think it was like the other two.

00:20:12.980 Oh yeah.

00:20:13.320 So the OG OG.

00:20:14.120 Jumpin' was like just becoming a thing and, and, um.

00:20:17.640 Love that song.

00:20:18.280 And Bills, Bills, Bills was out, I believe.

00:20:20.780 And I love that song.

00:20:21.380 And it was like a $10 ticket to like our junior high gym.

00:20:24.580 And it was the big, and it was like a house of Darion.

00:20:26.500 They were wearing like mirrors.

00:20:27.720 Like it's still like, it was like so iconic.

00:20:29.620 I can't believe I got to see.

00:20:30.580 Yeah.

00:20:30.980 Yeah.

00:20:31.220 That's so awesome.

00:20:32.560 I've also worked with Kelly.

00:20:33.820 I worked with Kelly when her and I were in an NBA commercial together, which is so funny.

00:20:38.000 I love her.

00:20:38.840 Such a hilarious thing to say.

00:20:40.420 She is so nice too.

00:20:42.480 Like so sweet.

00:20:43.200 Her song Defender.

00:20:44.360 I love Kelly.

00:20:45.780 And her Red Lights from like back with Nelly and, um, and, uh, what was that song?

00:20:51.180 Love you.

00:20:52.500 Oh yes, yeah.

00:20:53.300 The Red Lights.

00:20:54.180 I've always loved her.

00:20:55.100 I've always loved me some Kelly.

00:20:56.320 And I love Michelle.

00:20:57.600 I love Destiny's Child.

00:20:58.500 I'll do anything for Destiny's Child.

00:20:59.480 I think the same thing.

00:21:00.340 I'm like two out of three.

00:21:01.880 Now I got to meet Michelle.

00:21:03.360 I've met two out of the three.

00:21:04.720 I got to, um, I, I almost lied to you and I'm so glad that I caught myself.

00:21:08.460 I saw Death Becomes Her and I thought she was going to be in there, but it was, but it

00:21:13.420 was her, it was like the understudy and cause Michelle was in that, but at first I was sad.

00:21:17.400 Yeah.

00:21:17.700 But it was the understudy's like Broadway debut in that performance and she did really good.

00:21:20.860 So then I was like, okay, like full slate, but I've also not seen her IRL.

00:21:24.580 Michelle Williams.

00:21:25.380 And I wish that I had.

00:21:26.360 I've never seen her in real life either.

00:21:28.320 I, I have to get her the same way I do like the black pink girls. 1.00

00:21:32.500 I've met two of the four black pink members and that apparently my average is very high. 0.90

00:21:38.540 So, cause I've met Jenny and Lisa, la la Lisa, if you will.

00:21:42.620 Lisa was in White Lotus, right?

00:21:44.140 Yeah.

00:21:44.380 She's so pretty.

00:21:45.380 That's where I met her.

00:21:45.820 They're also stunning.

00:21:46.760 Yeah.

00:21:47.000 They're also stunning and so nice.

00:21:48.520 I talked to, I interviewed Jenny at the Billboard Women in Music Awards and she was so nice. 1.00

00:21:54.660 They get the bitches in a tits. 1.00

00:21:57.480 They really do. 1.00

00:21:58.700 They have those girls geeking. 1.00

00:22:01.480 I, I could not believe how many people were down there when she was talking to me.

00:22:07.060 Yes.

00:22:07.620 And the way that they like, everyone was like, Oh my God.

00:22:12.240 Oh my God.

00:22:12.980 Like all around, uh, like where I was at Billboard because I was almost like underneath the stage

00:22:19.080 kind of like, and I was next to photos and all that stuff where I was doing the interviews

00:22:23.160 with them.

00:22:23.620 So they would sometimes come with all their team, like, you know what I mean?

00:22:26.380 Like their glam people, their managers, whatever.

00:22:28.760 She came with her big team, but then they, there were just hort, like a bunch of people 1.00

00:22:33.720 came out of nowhere and they were like, Oh my God. 0.99

00:22:35.860 Oh my fucking God. 0.99

00:22:36.780 Oh my God. 1.00

00:22:37.240 It was crazy to see.

00:22:38.540 I bet it's like scary.

00:22:39.700 Yeah.

00:22:39.940 They love them.

00:22:41.660 Oh my gosh.

00:22:42.160 On my TikTok algorithm.

00:22:43.360 I will get those videos.

00:22:44.260 Who's the one of Blackpink who like sometimes like seems like she doesn't know the dance 1.00

00:22:48.240 and then people like rag on her for like not knowing the dance is good, but she's really 0.99

00:22:51.100 just like adjusting her mic pack.

00:22:52.660 I honestly don't know.

00:22:53.960 Was that not on your algorithm?

00:22:55.180 Maybe not.

00:22:56.200 Oh my God.

00:22:56.720 Yeah.

00:22:56.940 There's like, there's this like one girl.

00:22:58.340 I'm new to the K-pop world.

00:22:59.280 There's this one girl who like people rag on her on Blackpink. 1.00

00:23:01.720 I don't know which one it is who like, and they say that like she doesn't like, she's

00:23:04.180 like missing her dance steps.

00:23:05.260 Oh my God.

00:23:05.820 Am I like dying?

00:23:07.240 But yeah, whatever.

00:23:08.960 I love Misa Blackpink.

00:23:09.840 I do.

00:23:10.380 I'm new to the K-pop world.

00:23:12.640 I'm working my way in there.

00:23:13.900 Like Cat's Eye, I've met them.

00:23:15.800 Love them.

00:23:17.040 They're so beautiful and stunning and talented.

00:23:20.020 And they're also all the exact same height, if you can believe it.

00:23:23.060 I've been knowing about this K-pop for so long.

00:23:24.760 In 2008 at Miss Universe, there was this girl named Boa or like B-O-A and she was like 1.00

00:23:29.520 this K-pop diva and she sang at Miss Universe in like 2008. 0.61

00:23:33.000 And I have been like on the K-pop team since then.

00:23:35.100 Oh, love.

00:23:35.820 I feel like millennials who like beauty pageants may know what I'm talking about.

00:23:39.580 Yeah.

00:23:40.700 Honestly, I'm a little, I was like, I was like a born and bred fangirl.

00:23:44.400 Like when I was younger, I loved like the Jonas Brothers were like my thing.

00:23:48.380 Like I was like a die hard Jonas Brothers fan.

00:23:51.580 And I have met them and that was fun and full circle.

00:23:54.420 I like wrote fan fiction about them and everything. 0.69

00:23:56.460 Like I was like balls.

00:23:57.400 What was your fan fiction? 0.98

00:23:58.960 Oh my God.

00:23:59.460 You know what's funny is my, typically fan fictions are meant to be written in a way

00:24:02.980 where like you're in the story.

00:24:05.060 Yeah.

00:24:05.420 No, mine was not.

00:24:06.580 Just about them.

00:24:07.180 Yeah, it was just about them.

00:24:08.340 Like it was like a third person POV of their life.

00:24:11.660 What was it like?

00:24:12.620 Could you like recap a chapter?

00:24:14.060 Oh yeah.

00:24:14.360 Like Miley, they were on the Best of Both Worlds tour, which was like Hannah Montana.

00:24:18.440 That was when.

00:24:18.860 And that was like just your imagination.

00:24:20.400 Like you created that.

00:24:21.260 Well, that, that tour was real.

00:24:22.640 But the story was fake, obviously.

00:24:24.420 That was my imagination.

00:24:25.560 So those ones really were on tour together.

00:24:28.480 Yes.

00:24:28.540 That was when Miley Cyrus and Nick Jonas were like dating.

00:24:31.100 Oh.

00:24:31.540 And so it was like such hot tea, hot gossip.

00:24:34.440 And so like basically Miley was the hero in my story.

00:24:38.240 Selena Gomez was the enemy in my story. 0.69

00:24:39.900 Oh.

00:24:40.500 I have, I have apologized to Selena Gomez already on this podcast live.

00:24:43.880 For that.

00:24:44.520 Yeah, for that specifically.

00:24:45.260 You didn't know.

00:24:46.380 You were not stoned, but you were little.

00:24:49.020 I was stoned.

00:24:50.420 I don't know.

00:24:50.600 You were stoned.

00:24:51.600 I don't know.

00:24:52.200 No, I literally was like 11 and my sister was really good at coding like on MySpace.

00:24:58.320 So we were literally working together to like build a fan fiction website.

00:25:01.900 And we were like, oh my God, we're going to put it up.

00:25:04.280 And then for some reason, like something just stopped us as if like we were like, this is

00:25:09.120 too much.

00:25:09.980 Oh.

00:25:10.180 Like we were like, this is too far.

00:25:11.140 You guys gave yourselves the ick before you could post it.

00:25:13.780 Like low key.

00:25:14.120 Like we did.

00:25:15.220 Oh my God. 0.99

00:25:16.040 Which is funny because I wrote the entire fucking story. 0.99

00:25:18.720 It was like 20 something chapters. 0.99

00:25:20.180 I wrote the entire thing, hand wrote the entire thing in notebooks.

00:25:24.180 And then Dason made the whole website.

00:25:26.000 It looked beautiful.

00:25:26.960 And we were like, okay, chapter one.

00:25:29.640 And then we were looking up how to upload it.

00:25:31.360 And then for some reason we were like, God, I just can't.

00:25:34.040 Maybe it's good that you self-censored.

00:25:35.220 Maybe that would have ended up going viral and like ruined your career.

00:25:38.160 I know.

00:25:38.400 It would have been like my Friday, Rebecca Black.

00:25:40.720 Yeah.

00:25:41.320 I do love her too.

00:25:42.380 She's amazing.

00:25:43.020 You had your like future use best intentions ready.

00:25:46.680 I know.

00:25:47.040 It was like I came back from the future and I was like, don't.

00:25:49.520 Don't do it, girl. 1.00

00:25:50.280 Don't do it.

00:25:51.040 This could mess you up.

00:25:51.840 Yeah.

00:25:52.780 You're going to make grave consequences.

00:25:54.560 Just saying, I love that you did fan fiction.

00:25:56.460 Yeah.

00:25:57.080 Every time I want to do fan fiction, it's about some like really niche ass movie that no one

00:26:00.320 else has ever heard of.

00:26:01.320 So it like wouldn't make sense.

00:26:02.440 And like no one else would ever read it.

00:26:03.720 No audience for it.

00:26:04.620 No.

00:26:04.960 Like none.

00:26:05.600 It's like I want to do fan fiction on like the cutting edge.

00:26:07.520 And like no one knows what this is.

00:26:08.880 It's like a figure skating movie from 1993.

00:26:10.680 And no one knows what I'm talking about.

00:26:12.140 No one knows what I'm talking about.

00:26:13.200 Some millennials do.

00:26:14.380 I'm so curious.

00:26:15.180 Was Michelle Kwan your introduction to ice skating?

00:26:17.640 She was kind of my like second wave. 0.99

00:26:20.720 Christy Yamaguchi was my era.

00:26:22.780 Like as like a six year old in 1992, it was like Christy Yamaguchi, Nancy Kerrigan, Tanya

00:26:27.120 Harding.

00:26:27.880 They and Midori Ito.

00:26:29.740 They and like kind of Sturya Bonalee. 1.00

00:26:31.240 They whipped me into a fucking frenzy. 0.99

00:26:32.700 Then Michelle came on the scene and she took me out. 1.00

00:26:38.320 Like she did.

00:26:40.160 She Tanya Harding'd me.

00:26:41.980 Like, like I fell so in love with her and never fell out of love.

00:26:45.820 And she, but she, I mean, I, I already loved skating, but she made me fall. 0.82

00:26:49.440 But she was like my number one, like fervent, like person.

00:26:53.720 I love that.

00:26:54.800 I was so curious.

00:26:55.780 And back then too, like figure skaters careers like lasted longer.

00:26:58.600 Yeah.

00:26:59.000 So like I really, I mean, she did like three, really four Olympic cycles.

00:27:02.440 Cause she was the alternate in 94. 0.99

00:27:04.640 Then 96 night.

00:27:06.900 She was, or excuse me, who's talking?

00:27:08.680 She was an alternate 94.

00:27:10.000 Then in 1988, she went, she went in 2002 and then she went in 2006 and got injured.

00:27:14.900 And there and that, and I was literally just talking about Adam with Adam Rippon about

00:27:18.860 this today.

00:27:19.660 Cause I had him on my podcast, so like not to name drop, but she, that injury was like

00:27:24.160 how Emily Hughes got to skate in the Olympics, which I thought was so interesting.

00:27:28.220 I forgot about that.

00:27:28.960 Very cool.

00:27:29.620 Yeah.

00:27:29.940 I just love that you love ice skating.

00:27:31.680 I love it so much.

00:27:32.440 And gymnastics, like encyclopedic girl, encyclopedic like obsession.

00:27:37.660 Yeah.

00:27:37.800 You're like a Rolodex.

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:39.280 It's too much.

00:27:40.220 I love that though.

00:27:41.080 If you ever want to watch together, let me know.

00:27:42.280 What was it about ice skating and gymnastics that really hooked you?

00:27:46.460 I'm so curious.

00:27:47.280 I think it was as a small, as a, as a gay kid in a very small town, there was this like 0.94

00:27:53.400 something about these women, these young women having like being so strong and having all

00:27:59.880 of this like attention on them for something that they had worked so hard on.

00:28:03.340 Yeah.

00:28:03.780 I just thought that was so amazing.

00:28:05.560 Yeah.

00:28:05.900 And I wanted to witness it.

00:28:07.260 That's so cute.

00:28:08.200 I love that.

00:28:08.920 I feel the same way about women in a lot of ways.

00:28:11.780 Like I was talking about this with my friend recently where I was talking about watching

00:28:16.460 women. 0.81

00:28:17.580 Oh, who was I talking about?

00:28:18.280 I was talking about Rosalia.

00:28:19.340 Her new album.

00:28:20.520 I heard it's incredible.

00:28:21.860 No, it's perfect.

00:28:22.660 I was like talking to my girlfriend about it, but I was saying like, there are some people,

00:28:27.460 women, namely, that I can think of in my head that I feel like almost like regardless of 0.99

00:28:33.740 what your opinions are on religion or like a belief in anything else, right?

00:28:38.000 The universe, whatever it is you believe in, that's spiritual.

00:28:40.820 There's something about women I can think of whose art form is so intense and pure that

00:28:46.880 I think to myself, there has to be a higher power.

00:28:49.440 Yeah.

00:28:50.000 Because there's, that's the only reason they've been put on this earth.

00:28:52.700 That like makes me believe in a higher power.

00:28:55.000 And I was like geeking out about it with my friend because I was telling her, Rosalie

00:28:58.720 is a perfect example of that to me.

00:28:59.880 Beyonce is another perfect example.

00:29:00.980 Florence Welsh, I think is one.

00:29:02.380 Yes.

00:29:02.860 Absolutely.

00:29:02.940 But you know what, man, I think is a good example.

00:29:04.920 Ooh, I'd love to hear.

00:29:05.720 Bad Bunny.

00:29:06.560 Oh, that's a great example.

00:29:07.740 Yeah.

00:29:08.100 Absolutely.

00:29:08.640 Like he's the, well, because I think he said he's like, he's just like straight and he's

00:29:11.920 like an ally, but he like kissed those guys.

00:29:13.260 But he is like, I'm really not one of those gays who's like, has like a straight guy fetish.

00:29:17.620 Right. 0.93

00:29:17.980 But like the way that Bad Bunny could just run me over with his car. 0.77

00:29:22.920 And I don't even mean like sexually, like he could just run me over and I would take 0.75

00:29:26.420 it.

00:29:26.440 I mean very literally.

00:29:27.220 Like literally Bad Bunny, if like the closest I'm going to get to you is like you running 1.00

00:29:30.480 me over in a fucking car, run me the, ruin me girl. 1.00

00:29:34.980 Yeah, do it. 1.00

00:29:35.680 Do what you got to do.

00:29:36.320 Like, oh my God.

00:29:38.060 Wow, wow, wow.

00:29:39.440 And it's not even only physical, like which normally it is for me.

00:29:42.820 Like it's emotional.

00:29:44.200 Like his, his, everything is just.

00:29:47.980 It's like, wow. 0.98

00:29:49.120 Like his POV is just like fucking shiver me timbers. 0.99

00:29:52.960 I agree. 0.97

00:29:54.140 And I was telling her, I feel like that's why, another reason why I love women so much.

00:29:58.420 Yeah.

00:29:58.680 Because I feel like women.

00:30:00.460 I love women. 1.00

00:30:01.000 The way that they like, and I feel like you see women this way too.

00:30:04.060 Like, especially how you were describing how you saw figure skaters.

00:30:07.120 Like the, the way that women see the world and move through the world is like so beautiful 0.98

00:30:12.760 to me that I was like, every time I see a woman thriving, like Rosalia, for example,

00:30:17.720 I'm always like, no man deserves this.

00:30:20.600 No man alive deserves this.

00:30:22.240 Someone's going to be lucky enough to, to have you, but no man deserves it. 0.99

00:30:26.160 Doesn't mean they fucking deserve it. 0.88

00:30:27.580 No, it doesn't. 0.99

00:30:28.580 No.

00:30:28.920 And I only feel that way about women, namely. 1.00

00:30:31.280 So like, I feel like you idolize a lot of women too.

00:30:33.700 I do, yeah.

00:30:34.040 And I think that's why I have such a profound and pure love for women, which is why like, 1.00

00:30:38.620 I was joking about this the other day with my mom too, that like, I've had some pretty

00:30:41.720 negative experiences with women in the workplace and like in ways of like positions of power,

00:30:47.020 right?

00:30:47.760 I guess like I've had a lot of negative experiences in a way that could make me hate women very 0.99

00:30:53.020 easily or root against them.

00:30:54.480 Um, but even then I was like, when I'm being treated poorly by a woman for misogynistic

00:31:01.320 ideals, obviously, I think to myself, there has to be a reason why you're that way.

00:31:06.180 And that makes me feel bad for you.

00:31:08.340 Like I have empathy for you.

00:31:09.520 Yeah.

00:31:10.160 I don't want to be friends with you, but I do have empathy for you.

00:31:12.800 Yeah.

00:31:13.100 And like, it doesn't, I always like tell myself, this isn't going to make me hate women because 0.89

00:31:17.660 I know what, what pure love from a woman feels like.

00:31:20.960 And that's not it.

00:31:22.140 I've literally just been saying in my standup comedy tour, I have this bit where I'm like,

00:31:25.460 I do think that part of the key for our healing is going to be that we learn to love people

00:31:30.400 on the right and the left.

00:31:33.180 I just wish that we didn't live in a world we had where we had to learn to love with Sarah

00:31:37.320 Huckabee Sanders. 0.99

00:31:38.220 And, and I think if we can like be celebrating women in a world that's got fucking Sarah Huckabee 1.00

00:31:43.600 Sanders and Caroline Levitt and Pam Bondi, if they can't make us hate fucking women, ain't 1.00

00:31:47.880 nobody going to make us hate women. 1.00

00:31:48.980 Okay.

00:31:49.320 And I just could never, um, you know?

00:31:52.140 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:53.160 These fucking, they've lost, well, I don't think they ever really, and Megan fucking 1.00

00:31:57.220 Kelly. 1.00

00:31:58.260 Girl.

00:31:58.920 Jesus Christ.

00:32:01.420 Like, what, what is going on?

00:32:04.220 Girl, I don't know. 0.98

00:32:05.320 The white women's water. 0.99

00:32:06.700 They have put something in the white women's water. 0.97

00:32:08.540 It's always been bad, but it's really bad right now. 0.73

00:32:11.160 It's really bad.

00:32:12.080 We are, I am just kidding.

00:32:13.500 I agree.

00:32:13.660 They're giving us the chug.

00:32:15.220 Right, girl.

00:32:16.640 It's got to put a stop to it.

00:32:18.060 We need more Christy Yamaguchi's in the world. 1.00

00:32:19.760 We need more Christy Yamaguchi's.

00:32:20.920 We do.

00:32:21.740 We need way more.

00:32:22.340 More Jo Kwan's. 0.96

00:32:22.840 Yes.

00:32:23.560 More Florence Welch's.

00:32:24.720 Yes, I agree.

00:32:25.800 Yes.

00:32:26.160 More Rosalia's, more Beyonce's.

00:32:27.200 More Jennifer Welch's.

00:32:28.940 Yes.

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00:33:05.060 I do have some fun facts about you.

00:33:06.440 Please tell me.

00:33:07.000 Would you like to hear some?

00:33:07.800 Yes.

00:33:08.500 Amanda always tries her hardest to look for very rare ones, so I guess we'll see.

00:33:11.980 Okay, we'll see.

00:33:12.460 Okay, it says, in 2013, you co-starred in your sister's short comedy film, Love That Girl,

00:33:18.520 on YouTube.

00:33:19.360 It's true.

00:33:19.920 How was that?

00:33:21.180 It was just like a three-minute episode, and it's really my stepsister's half-sister, Kim,

00:33:27.780 who we love.

00:33:29.000 But she wrote this short, or did my friend Emily write it?

00:33:32.280 I can't remember if Kim or Emily wrote it, but yeah.

00:33:34.220 The whole gag of that was is that I was supposed to be one of their boyfriends, and so the other

00:33:39.620 girls were like, that's your boyfriend? 0.94

00:33:41.600 And I was like, oh, hey, sweetie.

00:33:43.060 It's really funny.

00:33:45.320 I love that.

00:33:46.440 You're like, you're not giving trade?

00:33:48.240 Yeah, it wasn't even, no, no, I wasn't.

00:33:50.720 Okay.

00:33:51.920 It says you were a cheerleader at University of Arizona.

00:33:54.720 I was.

00:33:55.260 I do love that.

00:33:56.380 I feel like I did know that about you.

00:33:57.420 But I only got like a 1.7 GPA my freshman year.

00:34:00.440 I got like all Fs and one B, so I got kicked off the squad.

00:34:04.320 What was the B in?

00:34:05.160 It was in English.

00:34:06.280 Okay.

00:34:07.400 What happened?

00:34:08.480 I just did too much cocaine.

00:34:10.680 Oh.

00:34:11.340 And I think any is probably too much, but I was 17 and 18, and I just, I am from a really

00:34:17.620 little town in Illinois, and then I moved to the university, I moved to Tucson, which

00:34:21.380 is like University of Arizona, and I just, I just found drugs, I found gay stuff, and 1.00

00:34:27.060 I just didn't have time to go to class also, and this is so true, at the time, Lifetime,

00:34:32.700 like the TV channel, used to play like four hours of the Golden Girls from like 5 a.m.

00:34:37.240 to like 9 a.m., and I would go to the early morning cheer practice because like I had to,

00:34:41.920 it was like from 5.30 to 6.30, but then I would always be like, instead of going to my

00:34:46.600 first class, I'd be like, oh, I should just go home and watch the Golden Girls, and then

00:34:49.180 I'll go to class, like later, but then I never left the house because it was like Golden 1.00

00:34:52.600 Girls, and then I just started doing drugs like at 9 or 10, and then I just kind of lost,

00:34:57.720 yeah, I just kind of lost it.

00:34:59.760 I just kind of fell off, guys, and the other problem was is that I knew I wanted to do hair.

00:35:04.360 Yeah.

00:35:04.760 I knew I wanted to be a hairdresser.

00:35:05.920 I was like, what am I doing here?

00:35:07.060 Like, this is silly, but yeah, college was not good for me.

00:35:10.900 I ended up turning tricks. 0.66

00:35:13.320 I met this pimp online.

00:35:14.360 It was bad, girl.

00:35:16.660 Oh, my God.

00:35:17.180 No, my Tucson experience was a little bleak.

00:35:20.760 I wrote about it.

00:35:21.660 Yes, I do know that.

00:35:22.820 Yeah, it was a little rough, but it really gave me some good experiences and some good

00:35:28.700 street smarts.

00:35:29.200 Yeah, some perspective.

00:35:30.640 Yeah.

00:35:31.000 I think so.

00:35:31.900 I mean, if you think about it in the way that you wouldn't be here now, the way you are

00:35:35.860 today, if you didn't have those experiences, I think it's a better perspective for you.

00:35:41.500 I totally believe in that.

00:35:42.800 Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:44.160 Yeah.

00:35:44.300 But I know you can cheer down.

00:35:46.100 I can't.

00:35:46.620 Yeah.

00:35:47.100 Cheer down, tumble down, all of it.

00:35:49.120 All of it.

00:35:49.760 Yeah.

00:35:50.020 I know that about you.

00:35:51.060 Yeah.

00:35:51.880 I mean, I'll do the motions to a chant right now.

00:35:53.700 I also do love that you knew about hair very early on.

00:35:56.860 Oh, yeah.

00:35:57.280 That's so tea.

00:35:58.040 Always loved hair.

00:35:58.680 Not many people can say that they knew their calling from that young of an age.

00:36:02.620 Mine was even way before that, but the world was like, no, it needs to be this.

00:36:06.040 It needs to be that.

00:36:06.740 But I knew.

00:36:07.680 Yeah, you knew.

00:36:08.340 And I love that about you.

00:36:09.540 Yeah, because I wasn't going to be a professional figure skating coach.

00:36:11.640 So what other, you know, I didn't have any ice rinks.

00:36:14.720 That, obviously, it's got to be hair.

00:36:16.200 Yeah.

00:36:16.600 Yeah, it has to be.

00:36:17.500 But I think that's a beautiful thing.

00:36:18.840 Yeah.

00:36:19.040 It's rare.

00:36:19.220 I've noticed that, too, because I feel like I've always had a pretty devout sense of purpose

00:36:24.200 from a young age.

00:36:25.460 I feel like I knew what I wanted to do, and I was like, I think I have a general idea

00:36:29.860 of how to get there.

00:36:31.140 That was kind of how I was moving, too.

00:36:32.400 I love that you had that clarity.

00:36:33.820 Yeah.

00:36:34.200 But I think I just wasn't sure how I was going to get there, because I think at the time,

00:36:39.380 I always thought, like, I know I like to entertain, and I like to be on camera, but

00:36:44.900 for some reason, I didn't think acting was an option.

00:36:47.540 I don't know why.

00:36:48.480 Like, for some reason, I never thought that was an option for me.

00:36:50.520 I was like, and maybe that was me being, like, a Virgo to, like, even as a child, because

00:36:55.260 I was like, well, I mean, what if I don't get an acting job?

00:36:57.760 Then I'll, I need to get a real job.

00:36:59.260 Like, that's how I was thinking when I was very young.

00:37:01.220 Baby.

00:37:01.860 Yeah.

00:37:02.140 I was like, well, I have to get something steady so I can have income.

00:37:04.780 You do have to be so brave, though, to put yourself out there, like, the way that we

00:37:08.020 do, like, in this industry.

00:37:09.720 So I'm really proud of us.

00:37:11.000 I think so, too.

00:37:12.080 No, you do.

00:37:12.500 It's, like, so much feedback.

00:37:13.680 It's so much.

00:37:14.220 Right.

00:37:14.840 It's just, yeah, it's a lot.

00:37:15.720 I'm proud of us.

00:37:16.400 And I think people underestimate how, like, hard it can be, unless it's something, like,

00:37:22.820 that you're called to.

00:37:23.780 Like, I really do feel like entertaining is my calling.

00:37:26.420 Yes.

00:37:26.680 So I feel like people underestimate how hard it can be to get in front of a camera and just,

00:37:30.640 like, be entertaining and be funny.

00:37:32.960 But, you know, it's a lot of work.

00:37:34.600 Especially when you're going through it.

00:37:36.220 Yes, exactly.

00:37:36.820 That's when it's really hard.

00:37:37.980 Right.

00:37:38.400 That's where I'm giving Glinda, like, I don't know where I'm pulling from to entertain the

00:37:42.600 masses.

00:37:43.200 Sometimes I don't know either.

00:37:44.320 Yeah.

00:37:44.840 And that's why I'm proud of us.

00:37:46.080 I agree.

00:37:46.960 Yeah.

00:37:47.200 And that's why I think that's another reason why, too, I've, whenever I talk to creator

00:37:50.780 friends, I always tell them to, like, make friends, like, get in therapy and make friends.

00:37:55.940 Like, if you're going to do this, and I mean friends who do this for a living, because no one

00:38:01.740 can relate to your problems anymore.

00:38:03.860 And no one really, I mean, like, genuinely speaking, I really don't think people want

00:38:08.240 to hear about your problems.

00:38:09.420 Like, that have real jobs that are hard, like, physically taxing, like, and awful.

00:38:15.180 Like, I would never complain about my issues to, like, a teacher or, like, in a way that's,

00:38:21.300 like, can you believe this?

00:38:22.800 You know what I'm saying?

00:38:23.280 Yeah.

00:38:23.480 It's also, like, hard to explain.

00:38:25.300 There's, like, I feel like there's just, like, so much more that goes on that I, like,

00:38:28.200 never would have known.

00:38:29.740 Same.

00:38:30.340 I said the same thing.

00:38:31.420 I was, like, I've talked about it before, where it's, like, no matter, it's not necessarily,

00:38:36.220 it's not that this job is the hardest job in the world.

00:38:39.040 It's that this job is the only job, I think, that has no prior training experience, and

00:38:44.800 there's no one you can really talk to.

00:38:46.920 Because until you become someone, like, a celebrity and influencer or whatever, you're

00:38:51.220 never going to be able to interact with those people to ask them, hey, how did you deal with

00:38:54.840 this, right?

00:38:55.860 So I feel like it's a job that no matter how many jobs you've had before, none of them

00:39:00.620 could prepare you for this one.

00:39:02.160 Like, no amount of training or, like, if I had, like, a million restaurant jobs, none of

00:39:08.120 that could have prepared me for the problems I have in this job.

00:39:11.040 Yeah.

00:39:11.500 They're so specific to this job, which is why I think community is so important, because

00:39:16.140 it's, like, I need to bounce these ideas or, like, my frustrations or grief is off someone

00:39:21.360 who understands and can help guide me.

00:39:23.680 Yes.

00:39:24.140 Or, like, I can ask for advice from, which is why I love being friends with people like

00:39:27.640 you or other people who have been in the industry longer than me.

00:39:30.340 So I can ask, like, how did you deal with this?

00:39:32.780 Like, this is crazy.

00:39:33.840 I don't know how to deal with this.

00:39:35.400 It makes you feel less alone.

00:39:36.760 Yes.

00:39:37.080 Less isolating.

00:39:38.120 I don't mean to aggressively change a subject like this.

00:39:41.400 No, please do.

00:39:41.800 But I really want you to notice my sweater.

00:39:44.920 Okay.

00:39:45.920 I'd love to take a look.

00:39:47.500 It's like, I just got it from a vintage shop, you guys.

00:39:50.160 It's vintage Christian Dior.

00:39:51.780 And I just don't know why I wasn't vintage shopping sooner.

00:39:54.320 It's so much cheaper and, like, cuter.

00:39:55.860 That's actually tea.

00:39:57.160 I've been, not vintage shopping, I guess.

00:39:59.160 I don't know if it counts, but I've been buying stuff off the RealReal that is older.

00:40:01.480 That's, like, secondhand, I feel.

00:40:02.660 Secondhand, yeah.

00:40:03.240 Yeah.

00:40:03.620 I've been doing that lately.

00:40:04.440 It just is great.

00:40:05.080 It's giving sustainable.

00:40:05.740 I also love the RealReal.

00:40:06.920 But this was from, like, 1989.

00:40:09.340 Tea.

00:40:09.900 For where?

00:40:10.160 What's the label?

00:40:10.940 It's, like, it's from Christian Dior.

00:40:12.540 Oh, tea.

00:40:13.080 Okay.

00:40:13.320 I didn't hear that.

00:40:13.400 But there's this place called, like, the Village Vintage.

00:40:15.620 And they do, like, these, like, pop-ups in New York and Austin.

00:40:18.160 I don't know if they do them in LA.

00:40:19.480 But it's, like, amazing.

00:40:21.420 If you're, like, a shopping girly.

00:40:22.960 I do.

00:40:23.680 Love to shop.

00:40:23.860 My business team is going to be so excited.

00:40:26.360 Because it is so much more affordable than, like, new stuff.

00:40:29.320 Yeah, I agree.

00:40:29.380 And it's just, like, kind of really interesting and amazing.

00:40:31.340 It's funny you say that because recently I downloaded the RealReal and started shopping

00:40:34.560 secondhand on there.

00:40:35.740 Because I, like, don't, I don't really buy, like, a lot of designer things.

00:40:40.500 I have bought them in the past.

00:40:42.580 But, like, it's not something I'm, like, fiending for, like, every time new things come out.

00:40:46.900 So, like, when I'm, like, I think I want a new bag, I always think, like, going in the

00:40:51.420 store is, like, a lot of work.

00:40:53.680 It takes so long.

00:40:54.700 Yeah.

00:40:55.060 But also, too, like, because it's kind of like shopping for a car.

00:40:58.020 You know, they, like, make you wait in there for a while.

00:41:00.340 Yes.

00:41:00.400 So if you get so frustrated, you just buy something.

00:41:02.380 Like, that's how it feels, too.

00:41:03.540 And then sometimes I don't like all the stuff they have, like, depending on the season.

00:41:06.760 Yeah.

00:41:07.020 So then I was, like, I'm so picky and, like, I don't need them brand, brand new.

00:41:12.080 I love a pre-loved bag, too.

00:41:13.580 Yeah, I was, like, I think shopping secondhand would be better for me.

00:41:15.840 And then I can find cooler things that aren't in the store.

00:41:18.880 And so that's been, like, my new thing lately. 0.97

00:41:20.620 I've been, like, getting some really cute shit for, like, way cheaper. 0.96

00:41:24.180 Yes. 0.98

00:41:24.520 And it gets sent to my house.

00:41:25.800 Yes.

00:41:26.060 So I don't have to go anywhere.

00:41:27.340 I've been selling stuff on there.

00:41:28.780 I've been buying stuff on there.

00:41:29.840 Oh, I've been selling stuff on there, too.

00:41:30.800 Yes, like, bags that I, like, Impulse bought in, like, 2018 or 19.

00:41:33.780 But then I've, like, sat on a shelf for, like, five years.

00:41:35.980 Right.

00:41:36.220 I'm doing that.

00:41:37.620 I've been trying to sell gowns and stuff that I've purchased and worn.

00:41:41.240 But I know I'm not going to wear it again.

00:41:42.640 Yeah.

00:41:43.060 I've tried to sell them to the real world.

00:41:44.900 One got rejected because it had a little bit of my spray tan on the inside.

00:41:49.360 I've had a couple rejections.

00:41:51.020 But I find, like, the clothes, I will resell it.

00:41:54.780 But it's, like, when you know how much you paid for something and then it's, like, still in really good shape. 0.84

00:41:57.960 It's, like, the resale value of clothes just sucks.

00:42:00.020 But bags are good.

00:42:01.820 They did kind of, you're right, though.

00:42:03.280 They did kind of dick me a little bit on some of my gowns that I've sold.

00:42:06.700 Bags and jewelry is really good.

00:42:08.720 Tea.

00:42:09.020 But not clothes.

00:42:11.220 Yeah.

00:42:11.600 And not coats as much.

00:42:13.460 Yeah.

00:42:13.980 But bags of tea, good to know.

00:42:15.100 Yeah.

00:42:15.440 Bags and jewelry.

00:42:16.260 Yes.

00:42:16.660 I've been buying, like, pre-loved stuff on there and some clothes and stuff, too, which has been really nice.

00:42:22.640 Yes.

00:42:23.000 Loving.

00:42:23.820 I got this, like, Hermes bag that I had been asking my, like, see, because I got, like, I got a guy at Hermes.

00:42:28.800 But they just never have this, like, one bag that I've really been wanting.

00:42:31.940 Yeah.

00:42:32.140 And then I found it on Rebag.

00:42:34.200 Ooh.

00:42:34.480 And it was, like, the only thing it didn't have was the box.

00:42:37.040 But it had everything else.

00:42:38.060 And it was, like, so much more affordable.

00:42:40.900 Yeah.

00:42:41.100 Whereas, like, a Birkin or a Kelly is, like, more expensive on resale.

00:42:45.420 Yeah.

00:42:45.700 But all the other, like, not as well-known bags are cheaper on resale.

00:42:50.020 Tea.

00:42:50.400 So if you're a sales associate ever, you just, like, can't get it, it's, like, look on Rebag.

00:42:56.040 Tea.

00:42:56.400 For, like, a Rulie or, like, a Lindy or, like, a Picatin.

00:42:58.800 Yeah.

00:42:59.340 I'm very, like, I don't know, like, whatever's about designer stuff.

00:43:05.140 But when I really like it and I really want to buy it, I'll, like, look into it.

00:43:09.160 I wish that I wasn't like this for Hermes.

00:43:11.140 And I never used to be.

00:43:12.440 But then I stumbled upon Hermes Talk.

00:43:14.320 And I got, like, all these people on my TikTok that started teaching me about, like, the lore of the leathers and, like, why this is like this and why that's like that.

00:43:21.360 And one got me.

00:43:22.340 And then after that.

00:43:24.080 And I will say this for Hermes.

00:43:25.620 It's the quality of their stuff.

00:43:29.140 Like, I have, like, a bag with me today.

00:43:30.900 Yeah. 0.99

00:43:31.200 I have taken that bag to, like, five continents, worn it every fucking day, beat it up, torn it down, shoved shit in it. 0.99

00:43:37.020 And it just gets, like, better and better. 0.99

00:43:39.720 I've heard that about them.

00:43:40.660 It really is true.

00:43:41.480 At least it's more of an investment piece than the other brands.

00:43:44.600 Well, even the ones that don't hold their value as well.

00:43:46.440 Like, you're Ruli, you're Lindy, you're Picatin, like, a Constance, like, wallet.

00:43:50.900 Like, they're all just the quality of how well it's made really is you can beat it the fuck up.

00:43:56.100 Yeah.

00:43:56.400 Whereas, like, when I wear my, like, Rick Owens or Gucci or anything else that's, like, in a similar expense meter for, like, a jacket or, like, a sweater or a jean, wears out, fucks up.

00:44:07.860 But, like, Hermes really doesn't wear out or fuck up.

00:44:10.480 It's just, like, it's made on, like, a different level. 0.60

00:44:13.300 Okay, T.

00:44:13.900 It really is.

00:44:14.700 Good to know.

00:44:15.600 I feel like a big dum-dum about stuff like that.

00:44:18.760 But I'm learning.

00:44:19.840 The older I get, the more, like, I am kind of, like, naturally interested in it.

00:44:23.680 But I understand how in this, like, time and space it's, like, really, like, tonally, like, maybe not the best.

00:44:29.960 And I understand that. 0.94

00:44:30.800 And that sucks. 0.57

00:44:31.320 And I remember, like, before I made money, like, reading a magazine, it would be, like, sweater 1100, jeans 700. 0.99

00:44:37.180 And I'd be, like, that's, like, my fucking double my rent. 1.00

00:44:39.100 Like, get fucked. 1.00

00:44:39.800 Right. 1.00

00:44:40.140 Same.

00:44:40.880 And I will say that, like, that's why, like, I'm down with Hermes, though.

00:44:45.580 Because, like, I do think if you have the money, it is worth it.

00:44:48.480 It's an investment, too.

00:44:50.080 Like, they grow over time.

00:44:50.840 Whereas designers, it's, like, something from H&M holds up the same as something from.

00:44:56.460 You're actually so right about that.

00:44:57.620 It is so true. 0.88

00:44:58.620 So there's really no shame, I think, in buying fast fashion.

00:45:01.340 And it can be just as durable and just as amazing.

00:45:03.500 Right.

00:45:03.880 So I'm not, like, a designer queen.

00:45:05.760 Like, I love high-low.

00:45:07.200 Yeah, me, too.

00:45:07.920 Yeah, I just want it to hold up if I'm going to spend that money on it.

00:45:10.180 No, that's actually so true.

00:45:11.420 And I think that's why I waited a really long time before I bought anything to, like, design it for the first time.

00:45:17.180 I didn't go crazy out the gate.

00:45:19.540 But I was very, like, I grew up with no money at all and, like, and had no money for a very long time until I started making money.

00:45:26.060 Yeah.

00:45:26.280 But I think that's a good thing.

00:45:27.440 I think that, honestly, that helps us, like, appreciate it more and spend it more wise.

00:45:32.340 I even had a meeting with my business manager, like, a couple weeks ago.

00:45:35.980 We're talking about some other business stuff I'm looking into.

00:45:38.700 And she was, like, and she likes to do, like, health checks with me.

00:45:42.360 Like, just, like, hey, like, we're looking good on taxes and whatever.

00:45:44.940 And I'm, like, okay, cool.

00:45:46.460 And she was, like, honestly, like, you're, like, one of my least spendy clients.

00:45:51.860 She's, like, you don't really buy anything.

00:45:54.540 Like, I'm not buying, like, a bunch of designer stuff.

00:45:56.660 I'm not buying a bunch of cars.

00:45:57.640 I'm not buying, like, anything super, super expensive, which is, like, I think typical for influencers especially.

00:46:03.660 It's good emotional regulation on your end.

00:46:05.560 You don't need to do it with impulsivity.

00:46:07.500 Right.

00:46:07.700 But I'm not an impulsive person literally at all.

00:46:10.600 I'll sit.

00:46:11.200 I'll put something in a cart for weeks and think about it.

00:46:14.480 I'm, like, I need to think about that.

00:46:16.640 And then I just think about it.

00:46:17.660 And I'm, like, and then I forget.

00:46:18.880 And then I'm, like, oh, wait, I think I wanted to buy something.

00:46:21.040 And then when I put it back in there again, I go, I need to think about that.

00:46:24.020 Like, I just restart the clock every time.

00:46:26.200 I have a really good, like, safety system for this because, like, I don't know how to online shop.

00:46:30.220 Like, so my stylist or, like, someone in my office, like, has to do it.

00:46:34.380 Like, I tried to order a bag.

00:46:37.440 And I put in the wrong address.

00:46:39.720 No last name.

00:46:41.000 Like, I didn't know the login for the place where I got it from.

00:46:43.820 And then I had to, like, call my head of operations.

00:46:45.380 And I was, like, I know that I ordered it because I got a confirmation email.

00:46:48.960 But I don't know how to track it.

00:46:49.880 I didn't put a last name.

00:46:50.620 And I think I put the wrong address.

00:46:52.200 Like, what are we going to do?

00:46:53.200 And he did. 0.99

00:46:53.660 He found it because he's fucking amazing. 0.97

00:46:55.880 I will say one thing that this job has, I've, like, introduced into my world that I never thought I would ever need was a travel agent. 0.97

00:47:03.780 Oh, yeah.

00:47:04.860 Girl, the way that that saves me so much time, stress, and energy.

00:47:08.740 Oh, my God.

00:47:09.220 I never in a million years thought I would need a travel agent.

00:47:12.260 I didn't either.

00:47:13.000 But once I started doing comedy, like, I've been in with a travel agent since, like, 2018.

00:47:18.240 I could not do, I really could not.

00:47:20.120 Like, they have got me out of so many pinches.

00:47:21.760 No, me too.

00:47:22.520 But you end up in weird situations.

00:47:23.820 You're like, I'm stranded in Milwaukee, and I need to get to Vegas.

00:47:27.460 Or, like, I need to get to, like, fucking Saskatchewan or something. 0.98

00:47:30.840 Yeah. 0.97

00:47:31.020 I went to Penn State earlier this year to do, like, a college talk. 0.97

00:47:34.700 And it was planes, trains, and automobiles, first of all, to fucking get there. 0.98

00:47:38.200 It was miserable. 0.97

00:47:39.300 But, like, we missed our first flight.

00:47:41.440 Had to get rerouted.

00:47:42.360 Then I had to fly into D.C. 0.98

00:47:44.380 And then drive, like, had to drive for four hours up to Pennsylvania or wherever the fuck we were. 0.97

00:47:51.080 I mean, not even remembering. 0.52

00:47:52.520 And we had to drive four hours there because I missed my flight, which was, like, to a small airport.

00:47:56.660 It was a whole thing.

00:47:57.560 The day.

00:47:58.240 But thankfully, I had someone to, like, also Carrie.

00:48:01.420 Carrie's my assistant, so she's also wonderful and helps with stuff like that.

00:48:04.580 Big up, Carrie.

00:48:05.300 I just never in a million years thought I would ever need something like that.

00:48:08.920 But I was like, ugh, perfect.

00:48:10.480 We did it.

00:48:11.100 We did it.

00:48:11.740 Yes.

00:48:12.060 We made it.

00:48:12.600 Yes.

00:48:12.880 I do have more fun facts about you.

00:48:14.860 Okay.

00:48:15.560 This one says, they used to have a funny or die series called Gay of Thrones, where they would recap Game of Thrones episodes.

00:48:22.320 It's true.

00:48:22.700 I didn't know that.

00:48:23.240 It's true.

00:48:23.680 We loved that.

00:48:25.180 Actually, the funniest thing I think about that story is, is that when the Emmys first started awarding, like, essentially a web series.

00:48:32.100 Yes.

00:48:32.380 It was, like, short form, or it was, like, variety, or, like, short form variety series or something.

00:48:38.060 The first time that that got, like, announced, or, like, the first time the Television Academy made that a category, Gay of Thrones was one of the first nominees.

00:48:45.920 It was, like, us.

00:48:46.180 Look how exciting.

00:48:46.960 Like, Randy Rainbow, like, Carpool Karaoke, which would go on to win.

00:48:50.160 Yeah.

00:48:50.520 Beat us every time we were nominated together.

00:48:52.620 James.

00:48:53.940 Which I just want to say.

00:48:54.980 It's a lot.

00:48:55.660 And now that I ever said it, and I am so grateful for the Academy and our nominations, but I do just think there is something to be said for, like, a funny or die.

00:49:02.500 We had a budget of $16, and we were up against NBC, who was getting budgets to, like, book fucking Celine Dion and stuff, and I used to, like, we were able to make something with literally, like, two cents and, like, willpower.

00:49:17.100 And I'm just, when I do look back on that show, though, it really is incredible, like, what we were able to make, and it was so cool, and it was such a moment.

00:49:23.300 I think without Gay of Thrones, I would have never booked Queer Eye, and it's so true, because the producers of Queer Eye, like, knew me from Gay of Thrones, and so they already kind of, like, liked me, because they had saw that. 0.69

00:49:32.040 Yeah, how exciting.

00:49:34.340 Were you a House of Dragons fan, too?

00:49:36.420 House of Dragons?

00:49:36.940 Yeah, we watched it.

00:49:38.080 I think it's not as strong, obviously, as Game of Thrones.

00:49:42.060 Yeah, because there's less storylines. 0.99

00:49:43.720 Yeah, and, like, the uncle fucking. 1.00

00:49:45.340 I'm just, like, can I just, can we just, like, back off so much fucking our uncles? 1.00

00:49:51.380 Like, God. 0.99

00:49:52.240 You know what's so funny is, like, I agree with you.

00:49:54.940 In a very logical brain of mine, I do agree with you.

00:49:57.620 But that was hot.

00:49:58.240 In the world of the show, I was, like, get them together immediately.

00:50:01.280 Yeah, he was.

00:50:02.200 Need them to exact revenge.

00:50:02.760 Well, he was hot.

00:50:03.940 I feel like that character was hot.

00:50:04.980 Like, that uncle-like character was, like, I get why she was triggered.

00:50:07.500 The only show that makes me make those.

00:50:08.960 He was so sinewy.

00:50:09.960 Yeah, those, that might be the only show.

00:50:11.480 Yeah, that Norwegian muscle.

00:50:13.100 Like, that, that.

00:50:14.520 He's got a strong forehead, too.

00:50:15.840 Yes, that laplandish forehead.

00:50:17.080 Matt Smith has that strong, like, pro-magnon forehead.

00:50:19.900 Yes.

00:50:20.220 I love that.

00:50:21.200 Strong brow.

00:50:22.000 Yes.

00:50:22.620 Love that.

00:50:23.000 My man has one.

00:50:23.840 Oh, yes.

00:50:24.400 Yeah, he's got a big Neanderthal forehead.

00:50:25.740 I love a nice, strong brow.

00:50:28.420 And nose. 0.52

00:50:29.580 Oh, me, too.

00:50:30.300 My husband has, like, a really good, strong, like, Greek nose, I feel.

00:50:32.860 He's not Greek, but it just reminds me of, like, a Greek statue.

00:50:34.960 I love that.

00:50:35.700 It's, like, really pretty.

00:50:36.480 I know.

00:50:36.820 My, my fiance has, like, a very strong forehead and hooded eyes.

00:50:41.000 Oh, I love good hooded eyes.

00:50:42.400 Me, too.

00:50:43.020 Yes.

00:50:43.360 I love that.

00:50:44.420 I think, look at us.

00:50:45.440 Yes.

00:50:45.660 We have so much in common.

00:50:47.140 We both have, we have really hot partners.

00:50:48.880 That, too.

00:50:49.360 Which is exciting for us.

00:50:50.640 I agree.

00:50:51.540 I'm correct.

00:50:51.760 And we're really hot, so we really, yeah, we do have so much in common.

00:50:54.700 That makes a lot of sense, then.

00:50:55.520 Yeah.

00:50:55.840 Well, they found us.

00:50:56.220 Good hair, we're both tall.

00:50:57.300 Yeah, look at that.

00:50:57.760 Pretty faces.

00:50:58.560 Yeah.

00:50:59.380 And unbelievably charming.

00:51:00.860 Yeah, and witty.

00:51:01.540 Yeah, can you believe it?

00:51:02.380 Yeah, smarter than, smarter than most people give us credit for, I'd say.

00:51:06.320 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:51:07.860 Recently, I had someone ask me, I did, like, a college talk, too, and someone asked me,

00:51:11.980 like, what's something you wish people recognized about you more than what they do recognize for you,

00:51:18.400 recognize you for now?

00:51:19.960 And I was like, um, how smart I am.

00:51:22.940 Like, easily, I would say how smart I am, and then, um, how kind I am, that, too.

00:51:27.660 I was like, those really aren't the two main ones that they think of when they think of me.

00:51:31.760 Um, but I would say, yeah, smartness more than anything.

00:51:34.540 Intellect.

00:51:35.380 Need that. 1.00

00:51:36.240 Mine is my ass. 1.00

00:51:39.200 Because it is way tighter and, like, more shapely than it's ever been. 1.00

00:51:43.320 T.

00:51:43.500 And I just think because people aren't prepared or expecting that it's going to be, like,

00:51:47.620 sitting where it is or filling out these jeans the way that it has been, I just feel like

00:51:51.480 people, other than my husband, who does, but I have to prompt him kind of how I had to do

00:51:55.880 with you with the sweater. 0.97

00:51:58.120 I want these fucking hoes to start saying, like, that JVN does have, it's like, it's like 1.00

00:52:01.860 little, but it's there. 0.99

00:52:04.300 That's true.

00:52:04.820 And I'm sick of these hoes not saying that. 1.00

00:52:06.980 Yeah, they need to recognize. 1.00

00:52:08.440 Because I had a Tina Belcher ass my whole fucking life. 1.00

00:52:11.340 It was just like a convex board. 0.99

00:52:13.480 And it is not as convex.

00:52:15.960 No, it is not.

00:52:16.980 And I want people to know.

00:52:18.220 You need them to know.

00:52:19.460 Nice, right, and tight.

00:52:21.160 Yeah, there you go.

00:52:22.560 Pop it a little.

00:52:26.380 Perfect.

00:52:27.780 Perfect.

00:52:28.300 It's pretty, right?

00:52:29.060 You really see it.

00:52:30.040 Yeah.

00:52:30.640 I know the material in your skirt is really, like, emphasizing, I would say.

00:52:34.840 Oh, my God.

00:52:35.260 A little tooch. 0.95

00:52:36.160 Yes.

00:52:36.860 Yes.

00:52:37.260 What other, is there anything in there about me that I don't know?

00:52:39.880 Let me see.

00:52:40.540 That you don't know?

00:52:42.000 Something she knows.

00:52:43.520 It says, for Halloween in second grade, you dressed up as the judge on the OJ Simpson trial.

00:52:48.860 Yeah, which is kind of controversial.

00:52:51.220 This is, like, pre-Rachel Dolezal, pre-transracial. 0.93

00:52:54.460 I did just see that she did detransition back to being fully white woman on Twitter, which 1.00

00:52:59.380 was, I was like, wow, queen.

00:53:01.620 But, yeah, I did dress up as Judge Ito in second grade, who was an Asian American man.

00:53:07.000 Right.

00:53:07.460 I do think he passed away.

00:53:08.500 But I didn't know.

00:53:09.240 And I didn't do anything, like, controversial with my face shape.

00:53:11.240 No, you just have a beard.

00:53:12.240 I just drew on a beard.

00:53:13.140 Yeah, you just have a beard and glasses.

00:53:14.760 And I also was wearing my Sunday school, like, acolyte outfit for my judge robe.

00:53:18.960 That is a very interesting choice.

00:53:21.200 Why that?

00:53:21.800 Because I was fascinated with that trial.

00:53:23.960 I was, I was sat for that trial.

00:53:27.140 I was seven.

00:53:27.980 And I just, I was very, I didn't understand racism or anything like that when I was six

00:53:33.240 or seven.

00:53:33.760 Right.

00:53:33.880 But I, I was very not Team OJ.

00:53:37.280 I was very, like, feeling like he probably did it.

00:53:40.480 And I was.

00:53:40.780 Well, I mean, because he did.

00:53:42.060 Yeah.

00:53:42.400 So, I guess even as a child, you know.

00:53:44.140 Yeah, I felt like I was, like, clocking it.

00:53:45.300 And I was just like, ah, now here's a, this is actually a really interesting six stories of

00:53:48.960 separation.

00:53:49.640 Okay.

00:53:50.540 Well, not that interesting.

00:53:51.580 But Nicole's sister went on this, like, speaking tour after the trial.

00:53:55.800 And it was, like, a domestic, like, abuse, like, awareness speaking tour.

00:53:59.100 I think she'd written a book.

00:53:59.980 And she came to my hometown.

00:54:01.140 Okay.

00:54:01.460 And she did this speech.

00:54:02.080 And, like, the Holiday Inn, like, downtown.

00:54:03.640 And I went.

00:54:04.200 And I was, like, eight.

00:54:04.900 And I went with my mom.

00:54:06.260 Well, I got up to go to the bathroom.

00:54:07.960 And I couldn't, I didn't know what emergency exit meant.

00:54:11.800 So, I went out this emergency exit in this ballroom.

00:54:15.120 And I set off this, like, emergency exit in the middle of her talk. 0.99

00:54:18.200 And got this, like, whole fucking hotel room. 0.97

00:54:20.480 Or, like, hotel, like, ball space evacuated. 0.99

00:54:22.720 Man.

00:54:23.300 And Nicole Brown Simpson's sister's talking event in, like, 1995 in my hometown. 0.91

00:54:29.340 And I always felt really fucking bad about that.

00:54:31.840 I love when parents support their children's very niche special interests. 0.81

00:54:36.480 Well, everyone in our hometown went.

00:54:38.120 Well, I mean, I bet.

00:54:38.300 This was, like, a huge deal.

00:54:39.840 No, I know.

00:54:40.360 My parents have told me that before.

00:54:42.340 I was born in 95.

00:54:43.720 So.

00:54:44.040 What a year.

00:54:45.080 Yeah.

00:54:46.080 So, big year.

00:54:47.240 You know, big year.

00:54:48.200 But I think, for me, like, I also had very special interests as a child like that, that

00:54:53.780 were fostered by my parents.

00:54:55.560 Like, my parents were fostering my whimsy, even though it could have been.

00:54:59.500 Fostering your whimsy.

00:55:00.200 Yeah.

00:55:00.580 It could have been concerning, but I don't think it was.

00:55:03.100 Like, I think my parents were like, well, it's not murdering anyone.

00:55:05.100 So, I guess it's fine.

00:55:05.640 What was your whimsy?

00:55:06.880 Well, I went through really big phases.

00:55:09.000 So, like, one of them that I went through was the Titanic.

00:55:11.360 Oh.

00:55:11.720 I was, like, obsessed with it in a way that, like, I was almost studying it as if one day

00:55:17.480 someone was going to ask me to sail a cruise ship like that.

00:55:20.520 Like, someone was one day going to ask me to pioneer it.

00:55:23.020 So, like, I was studying it, like, like, tape.

00:55:26.780 Like footage.

00:55:26.820 You've got to avoid the iceberg.

00:55:28.280 Yeah.

00:55:28.540 And I, like, I was going to the library and checking out books on the Titanic.

00:55:31.580 And, like, my mom was, I think I was in, like, fourth grade, fourth or fifth grade,

00:55:36.380 and my mom was buying me books on the Titanic, like, for kids.

00:55:39.860 The movie Anastasia did that to me for the Russian royalty.

00:55:43.180 I loved the Romanov family.

00:55:44.640 Yes.

00:55:45.080 Same.

00:55:45.220 I went deep on that.

00:55:46.480 Same.

00:55:46.720 Like, library.

00:55:47.820 I, like, I mean.

00:55:48.700 Oh, my God, same.

00:55:49.220 And I was like, well, actually, if any of them would have survived, it would have been

00:55:51.160 Tatiana, not Anastasia, because all the skeletons that they found actually matched up

00:55:55.740 with Anastasia's.

00:55:57.120 But Tatiana's the one that could have survived. 0.95

00:55:58.820 I also had an obsession with the Romanov family.

00:56:00.640 I had obsessions with quite a few people throughout, like, I would say European monarchy,

00:56:06.220 because, like, I was King George III once for, like, a wax museum, which, like, was so

00:56:12.480 concerning to my teacher at the time, because you were supposed to pick someone you admire.

00:56:15.920 And I did not admire him, but I did explain to her that I thought he was fascinating, because

00:56:20.920 he's one of the worst British monarchs in history.

00:56:24.120 And, like, just to be the one, like, one of them after the hundreds they've had is just

00:56:28.120 crazy to me. 0.97

00:56:28.880 Like, girl, you with your, like, anti, like, colonization, like, ass being, like, in third 0.99

00:56:37.420 grade, like, you know, I'm going to pick George. 0.98

00:56:39.320 Well, you know why, though?

00:56:40.720 King George III.

00:56:41.400 I've, like, tried to unpack it, and I really do think it's because the hubris of white 1.00

00:56:46.080 people was fascinating to me.

00:56:47.780 You were clocking it early.

00:56:48.680 Yes.

00:56:49.140 I think that's amazing.

00:56:50.220 And I literally, when I wrote the speech, I started it with, I'm one of the worst English

00:56:56.080 monarchs in British monarchy history.

00:56:58.220 And I, like, said that in my speech.

00:57:00.140 And, like, I talked about how terrible of a leader I was, why I was so awful.

00:57:04.860 I, like, explained all of that.

00:57:06.580 And I think that's why my teacher let me do it, because it wasn't in a way that was, like,

00:57:09.500 he was the best.

00:57:10.400 Like, I just, like, really was obsessed with white men specifically feeling so close to

00:57:16.540 God that they could do awful things, and, like, with no repercussion. 1.00

00:57:19.920 Talk that fucking TV. 0.99

00:57:20.920 I really did think that I was, like, I find this fascinating. 1.00

00:57:23.520 Like, my Titanic thing, I was, like, telling my cousin this the other day, because I was

00:57:27.980 telling him, when I watched the movie Titanic, I, as a child, I was, like, genuinely disappointed,

00:57:34.560 because I was, like, they didn't even talk about the boat.

00:57:37.560 Like, no one's talking about the captain or the crew or the classism that's being on board.

00:57:42.840 Like, I remember genuinely being surprised.

00:57:44.400 That's so true, though.

00:57:44.940 I was, like, they didn't even talk about that stuff.

00:57:48.240 Like, they didn't even cover it.

00:57:49.560 Well, they did without doing it.

00:57:51.040 They, like, did it, like, inexplicitly.

00:57:52.640 And I asked my mom, I was, like, is that story true?

00:57:56.080 Like, the story of Jack and Rose?

00:57:58.020 And my mom was, like, no.

00:57:59.900 And then I go, what's the point of this movie?

00:58:03.400 You're, like, I need a documentary.

00:58:04.920 Yeah, I'm thinking documentary.

00:58:06.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:07.560 I'm thinking that, but, you know, whatever.

00:58:09.540 What do I know?

00:58:10.240 I'm 11. 0.99

00:58:10.620 What the fuck do I know? 0.99

00:58:11.460 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:11.960 I was, like, so, like, this movie's all right.

00:58:14.900 I remember thinking that younger.

00:58:16.120 But that's just because I was, like, such a know-it-all, too.

00:58:18.840 I think that was another reason I loved knowing more things than the average person.

00:58:22.760 I love that we're both just, like, curious queens.

00:58:25.140 Yes.

00:58:25.440 Yes.

00:58:25.640 Like, I was so endlessly curious about stuff like that.

00:58:29.100 I did have another stint about that, but this was when I was, like, my now age.

00:58:33.300 This was, like, last year.

00:58:34.240 This was, like, yeah, a couple years ago when the Elvis movie came out with Austin Butler.

00:58:38.100 Oh.

00:58:38.300 Like, I got really obsessed with Elvis's eating habits. 1.00

00:58:41.160 Like, I was doing a lot of research about that because he ate, like, an asshole. 1.00

00:58:45.560 Like, he ate bad. 1.00

00:58:46.600 Yeah, I think I've read about some of these.

00:58:48.120 But, like, I was looking up, like, cookbooks that people made based off his, like, food.

00:58:53.600 And I was looking up the research and I was looking up the doctor's, like, findings after 0.97

00:58:57.320 they, like, exhumed his body and shit. 0.99

00:58:59.200 Because he had, like, six months worth of shit still, like, blocked up inside him because 1.00

00:59:03.420 he never drank water and, like, never ate vegetables. 1.00

00:59:06.760 So he was just eating, like, like an asshole for years, for so long. 1.00

00:59:10.620 And I was just so hyper-fixated on it. 0.99

00:59:12.580 Like, I could not stop reading stuff about it to the point where my uncle actually got

00:59:16.740 me a book on Elvis's life.

00:59:18.220 And there's, like, a pretty large chapter about the eating.

00:59:20.640 And I read it because I was so interested.

00:59:23.500 My neurodivergence is making me do this thing where when you talk about something, I have

00:59:26.800 to talk about something similar.

00:59:28.160 Please do.

00:59:28.700 So when you were about nine.

00:59:31.380 Okay.

00:59:32.400 I, it was 2004.

00:59:34.000 Okay.

00:59:34.340 And I think one thing that your generation needs to know more that you don't know is

00:59:38.160 that Elvis had this daughter named Lisa Marie Presley and she, she just passed away, like,

00:59:43.140 not that long ago.

00:59:43.800 But in the early 2000s, she had this singing career and she was, like, 35 when she did it.

00:59:49.280 So she was, like, a little older than, like, these other pop divas.

00:59:51.420 And she had this song called Lights Down.

00:59:54.100 And it was, like, someone turn the lights off down in Memphis.

00:59:59.520 It's such a good song.

01:00:01.040 The next line of it is That's Where My Family's Dead.

01:00:03.020 Or she's, like, that's where my family's dead and gone.

01:00:06.180 It's, like, this really, like, amazing, like, kind of intergenerational, like, haunting

01:00:10.920 anthem about, like, empowerment and, like, how hard it is for her to go back home.

01:00:16.200 And it was this massive, like, single.

01:00:18.860 And then her recording career, like, didn't really catch off after that.

01:00:23.480 But it was, like, a huge one-hit wonder.

01:00:25.280 Like, it was very much, like, number one, like, VH1 Top 10 Countdown.

01:00:27.960 Okay.

01:00:28.520 So in 2004, I told my mom that I was going to my friend's house.

01:00:32.940 I just got my driver's license.

01:00:33.960 Actually, I didn't have my driver's license.

01:00:35.320 I had my driver's permit.

01:00:36.320 And you could drive with someone who's over 21.

01:00:38.020 And there was this girl who was in my older brother's grade.

01:00:40.340 And we wanted to go see Lisa Marie Presley at the Illinois State Fair.

01:00:43.700 But that was in Springfield, which was, like, two hours away.

01:00:46.240 So I was, like, Mom, like, me and Nikki, like, Nikki's just going to, like, I'm going to spend the night at Nikki's house.

01:00:51.100 And I'm just going to drive the car over there.

01:00:52.700 But she's going to be with me.

01:00:53.580 And she's, like, 22, so that's fine. 0.99

01:00:55.600 Bitch, we stole my mom's car. 1.00

01:00:57.060 Went to Springfield. 1.00

01:00:58.540 Watched Lisa Marie Presley at the Illinois State Fair.

01:01:01.680 Then lost the car at a parking lot.

01:01:04.640 Like, three, because it was, like, these big parking lot places. 1.00

01:01:07.020 Lost the fucking car. 0.99

01:01:08.200 And then my mom called me that night. 1.00

01:01:09.440 And she was, like, okay, well, I need to use a car.

01:01:11.740 So why don't you, like, drive home?

01:01:12.720 And then I can, like, drive you and Nikki back.

01:01:14.100 And I was, like, oh, no, we can't.

01:01:16.920 Yeah.

01:01:17.160 Because we're, and we just, like, had to make up all these lies.

01:01:20.180 And I think this might be how my mom finds out that we did steal the car and go to Springfield if she's listening to this podcast.

01:01:25.640 Yeah.

01:01:26.200 Well, I know your mom's a huge fan of the pod, so.

01:01:27.780 But she was really good.

01:01:28.820 Like, Lisa Marie Presley in that concert was amazing at the Illinois State Fair.

01:01:31.420 Okay, T.

01:01:32.140 Yeah.

01:01:32.520 You have had such niche interests from such a young age.

01:01:35.440 And I love that they're kind of, like, aligned.

01:01:37.280 Yeah, they are.

01:01:38.380 Yeah.

01:01:38.620 They're very on brand, honestly. 0.96

01:01:39.700 Speaking of white people being insane, though, I saw this, like, white TikTok preacher, like, televangelist, like, on my feed the other day. 0.96

01:01:45.800 And when he was saying, I grew up in, like, a really, like, churchy, like, very conservative, like, culture and area. 0.98

01:01:52.340 Yeah.

01:01:52.640 And I remember my family went to this church just one time and saw this pastor that was talking much like this guy.

01:01:57.240 And he was, like, it's spiritual warfare everywhere.

01:02:00.080 And there are demons that are flying into your mouth from music videos and social media. 0.92

01:02:04.220 And the enemy is pushing you at all times with tits and temptation. 0.98

01:02:08.720 And it's demons. 1.00

01:02:10.040 And I was, like, goddamn. 1.00

01:02:11.660 So these people literally imagine demons and angels. 0.99

01:02:14.960 Oh, he was also saying that, like, there's angels and demons, like, amongst us. 1.00

01:02:19.340 And angels won't try to fuck you, but demons will try to fuck you. 1.00

01:02:22.140 He said that, like, demons will use spiritual warfare to, like, try to fuck you. 1.00

01:02:24.640 But angels are amongst us, but they don't try to fuck you. 1.00

01:02:27.280 And he was dead serious, like, talking about this from, like, a Christian, like, evangelical, like, spiritual warfare, like, Trumpy place. 1.00

01:02:33.260 And I was, like, wait. 1.00

01:02:34.220 So these people literally believe that angels and demons are flying through music videos and flying through our fucking phones and shit and, like, going into people's bodies and trying to fuck them. 1.00

01:02:42.600 But don't believe that, like, trans people can exist. 1.00

01:02:45.700 And don't believe that some cultures had a third gender that was, like, legit and normal and, like, not this, like, weird. 0.99

01:02:52.720 It's, like, the shit that people can believe in evangelicalism but then can't believe science or can't believe history or can't believe these. 1.00

01:02:59.700 It just blows my fucking mind. 1.00

01:03:01.120 Like, white people, like, evangelical white people, especially in the American South. 1.00

01:03:05.780 Wow.

01:03:06.240 I'm not even kidding.

01:03:08.080 Like, that's what I think truly, like, fascinated me about things like that.

01:03:12.580 Because a lot of the things I would hyper-fixate on, too, like, would lead to tragedy in some grand regard.

01:03:18.600 Look at the Romanovs. 1.00

01:03:20.040 Right.

01:03:20.400 Like, exactly.

01:03:21.540 And they have these, like...

01:03:22.780 Anti-Titanic.

01:03:23.620 Well, and even, like, the oligarchy, like, as a whole in the UK, like, parliament, all this stuff.

01:03:28.900 The way that their system works and how they just kind of, like, they're like, this is the guy.

01:03:34.340 He's the guy now.

01:03:35.100 So, he's going to tell you what you need to be doing.

01:03:37.640 This is the guy.

01:03:38.740 I find that insane.

01:03:40.420 Like, I just find that general concept in a very, like, black and white, like, bare bones thing insane. 1.00

01:03:45.900 Like, why am I listening to this one fucking family, like, for generations and all of them are awful? 0.99

01:03:51.880 Like, they just so all... 1.00

01:03:52.940 Oh, just so happen to all be fucking awful. 0.99

01:03:54.960 Like, the British monarchy is responsible for almost all of the world's problems. 0.99

01:03:58.960 That's funny, yeah.

01:03:59.720 Like, currently.

01:04:00.640 Yeah.

01:04:00.880 So, I think that's what would fascinate me about that was infatuation. 0.97

01:04:04.820 Like, it was, like, people's just willingness to believe, like, what someone just fucking tells them. 0.95

01:04:10.200 Like, and I think I've even talked about that with my sister in regards to, like, the Pope and, like, Catholicism. 0.95

01:04:15.340 Because I find Catholicism so interesting because it's, like, this is the guy.

01:04:21.080 He's the guy.

01:04:21.860 He talks to the big guy.

01:04:23.400 And you listen to him.

01:04:24.580 And then people cry when they pick the guy.

01:04:26.660 Like, I find that fascinating.

01:04:28.240 I really do.

01:04:29.000 Did you see that movie?

01:04:30.160 What was that movie last year that got, like, got nominated for...

01:04:32.360 Conclave?

01:04:32.620 Yes.

01:04:33.180 I have not seen Conclave, no.

01:04:34.640 Girl.

01:04:35.480 I heard it was fire, though.

01:04:36.580 You have to watch it.

01:04:38.140 I find it fascinating.

01:04:39.140 When are you flying back from New York?

01:04:40.760 Wednesday.

01:04:41.200 Should you watch it on the plane?

01:04:42.380 Okay, T.

01:04:43.060 I'm going to text you to remind you.

01:04:44.280 Okay, who's doing it?

01:04:45.060 Or, like, are you going out tonight?

01:04:46.820 I don't know.

01:04:47.300 I don't think so. 1.00

01:04:47.760 Honestly, I think you and your fiancé should fucking watch it. 0.99

01:04:49.840 Okay, T. 0.99

01:04:50.300 Like, have your fiancé take his shirt off, and you take your shirt off, and just cuddle 0.99

01:04:54.220 and fucking watch Conclave. 0.99

01:04:55.200 Yeah, sit topless in the bed. 1.00

01:04:55.760 And watch Conclave. 1.00

01:04:56.760 If I was you, that's what the fuck I would be doing. 0.99

01:04:59.600 Because it is so... 0.99

01:05:00.580 It is...

01:05:01.080 Sounds like a night well spent. 0.98

01:05:02.480 It is so fucking good. 0.98

01:05:04.120 I heard it was really good. 0.99

01:05:04.860 And if you are triggered by, like, people shit... 1.00

01:05:06.740 Yes. 1.00

01:05:07.560 Girl, the way... 1.00

01:05:08.220 That's why I said the hubris of man is fascinating to me. 1.00

01:05:11.120 Drew, not to go to you, bitch. 1.00

01:05:12.560 I... 1.00

01:05:13.120 Please.

01:05:14.440 Okay, I will.

01:05:15.360 Watch it.

01:05:15.940 I will.

01:05:16.480 And then DM me or text me and be like, you are so right. 0.89

01:05:19.160 You know me so fucking good. 0.65

01:05:20.300 This is, like, so amazing. 0.99

01:05:21.540 The way that you are going to be, like, so fucking taken with it. 0.97

01:05:26.100 Yeah. 0.87

01:05:26.280 I don't want to overpromise, but just based off of, like, the Venn diagram of our, like,

01:05:29.500 niche interests.

01:05:30.900 T.

01:05:31.420 And if your fiancé goes down on you during it, forget it.

01:05:35.260 Y'all ever get eaten out during Conclave?

01:05:36.300 Yeah, y'all ever get eaten out during Conclave?

01:05:36.320 Yeah, y'all ever get eaten out.

01:05:37.240 Let me know.

01:05:37.920 Sometimes you can be, like, taken to this whole other place.

01:05:42.260 Sounds like a date.

01:05:43.120 It's not a very sexy movie, to be honest.

01:05:45.080 I don't know, like, what part he's going to do it on.

01:05:47.380 Right.

01:05:47.520 Because you might be like, babe, this isn't the time.

01:05:49.160 I'm like, nah, not right now.

01:05:50.600 Maybe he could eat you out, and then you could watch Conclave.

01:05:53.740 And then we watch Conclave.

01:05:54.820 Or, yeah, because after, it's my, yeah.

01:05:57.640 Yeah.

01:05:58.780 Although, yeah, just watch it.

01:06:01.120 I don't know, I'll be in Porcino Lostos.

01:06:02.700 Yeah, so why not have both?

01:06:03.900 Yeah, start during, then restart it after.

01:06:07.360 Ooh, save it. 0.88

01:06:08.300 Because I missed it all.

01:06:09.480 Yeah, save it for later.

01:06:11.000 That reminds me, but not really.

01:06:12.120 Have you watched The New Frankenstein?

01:06:13.880 No.

01:06:14.480 You should watch it.

01:06:15.320 Do you loved it?

01:06:16.020 I loved it.

01:06:16.820 It was a fun watch for me.

01:06:17.960 And it's just a movie, right?

01:06:18.940 Yeah.

01:06:19.360 I should do it.

01:06:20.020 It's long, though.

01:06:20.680 I like Jacob Elordi.

01:06:21.720 Yeah, I would, like, park.

01:06:23.680 Like, if you're, like, gonna watch it, I'd be, like, planned to be here for a while.

01:06:26.880 Because it's a long movie.

01:06:27.740 But you get to watch it at home, so that's nice.

01:06:29.520 I got invited to this birthday party tonight, but only, like, two days ago.

01:06:32.620 Which makes me feel like they didn't think about me in the first place.

01:06:34.860 And then after not getting invited to Wicked, I was, like, maybe I should just go and, like,

01:06:39.120 not be, like, choosy about it.

01:06:41.560 But I already had dinner plans.

01:06:43.180 Right.

01:06:43.300 And so then there's, like, this dancing thing after the birthday dinner party.

01:06:46.120 And they were, like, and I'm just, like, it's, I just don't know if I have it in me 0.96

01:06:50.660 to fucking do it. 0.96

01:06:51.820 Right. 0.99

01:06:52.220 And so I think, I think I might just go to dinner and then watch Frankenstein afterwards.

01:06:55.040 Yeah.

01:06:56.280 I love that.

01:06:57.120 I'm just, I'm just, I can't.

01:06:58.580 You have a date with Frankenstein.

01:06:59.660 I have a date with Conclave.

01:07:00.760 Yeah, I want to.

01:07:02.240 Yeah.

01:07:03.300 Go to the party?

01:07:03.920 Yeah, like, the theory of it sounds great, but the truth is, is that I'm 38 and it's

01:07:08.840 Tuesday and I got to go on tour this weekend and I got to do my best in Richmond and Boston 0.79

01:07:13.060 and I got to, like, I got to fucking prioritize. 0.94

01:07:15.060 Yeah. 0.94

01:07:15.160 And I don't think I can go out tonight.

01:07:16.220 You got to go in the crate.

01:07:17.500 That's what I call it.

01:07:18.400 Oh, yeah.

01:07:18.700 I got to go in the crate.

01:07:19.240 I got to go in the crate and I got to put the blanket over it and no one, and it's night

01:07:22.900 time for me.

01:07:23.580 I got to go to bed.

01:07:24.540 That's what I have to do.

01:07:25.340 Yeah, you have to.

01:07:25.980 And that's okay.

01:07:26.800 That's okay.

01:07:27.740 And I would feel the same way about a last minute invite.

01:07:30.020 But it is why I don't have that many friends.

01:07:31.820 And I do think it's, like, why celebrities, like, ghost me as friends a lot.

01:07:35.700 Because, like, every time they invite me to places, I'm like...

01:07:39.900 In theory, I would love.

01:07:41.460 Yes.

01:07:42.100 And I'm so grateful for the invite.

01:07:44.320 I feel that, though.

01:07:45.320 And I want to be invited.

01:07:46.600 I feel that.

01:07:47.160 I feel that so hard, honestly.

01:07:48.640 It's making me wonder if I need to switch to sativas.

01:07:50.760 I'm like, is my indica making me too tired?

01:07:52.780 Is this why I don't want to go out?

01:07:53.960 Is this why I have social anxiety?

01:07:55.080 Honestly, sativa makes me feel so, like, different.

01:07:59.200 Like, in a not as enjoyable way.

01:08:01.420 I like being...

01:08:02.120 But I know what you mean.

01:08:02.920 Like, because the indica makes you feel like a dart.

01:08:05.260 Like, elephant darts in the neck.

01:08:07.020 Like, you're like...

01:08:08.040 Like, but sativa is more of a workable high or whatever they say.

01:08:12.360 My girlfriend is a hardcore sativa girl. 1.00

01:08:14.820 But I'm a hardcore indica girl.

01:08:16.140 And I went to her house the other day.

01:08:17.780 And we smoked, like, nine in the morning.

01:08:19.420 And then I was like, I...

01:08:21.600 The way that I ravenously cleaned her house for two and a half hours.

01:08:25.180 Like, I became obsessed with, like, cleaning the dust boards.

01:08:27.880 Like, everything. 0.88

01:08:28.420 And then I was like, damn, maybe I should... 0.86

01:08:30.440 Because the reason I got off sativas is because I feel like they made me really anxious. 0.92

01:08:33.980 I agree with that.

01:08:35.120 And indicas don't.

01:08:35.940 It made me feel like my brain was going a little bit...

01:08:37.680 Paranoid.

01:08:38.340 Everyone hates me.

01:08:39.020 I don't know when to stop talking.

01:08:40.160 Yes.

01:08:40.600 And so then I switched to indica.

01:08:42.300 And I feel like that went away.

01:08:43.400 Right.

01:08:43.760 But then this one little dipping my toe into the sativa blunt a few weeks ago.

01:08:46.880 Look, I've never cleaned that hard in my life.

01:08:48.820 Honestly, you're honestly onto something.

01:08:51.100 Because one time, I think it was, like, a drink.

01:08:55.220 And it was, like, a sativa drink.

01:08:56.780 And the girl that we got it from, like, at the dispensary, she was like, this is great

01:09:01.320 if you need to get something done.

01:09:02.900 And I was like, oh, really?

01:09:03.940 She's like, yeah, like, when I need to, like, really lock in and do something, I drink this

01:09:07.460 thing.

01:09:07.940 And I was like, okay.

01:09:08.740 And she goes, and if you mix it with, like, an energy drink, it's even better.

01:09:11.660 Oh, I love that.

01:09:12.340 It's like a Storna Speedball.

01:09:13.600 Yes.

01:09:13.940 And I was like, okay, tea.

01:09:15.280 So then I went home, and I did that, and I cleaned my entire closet.

01:09:19.640 I, like, because I put headphones on, too.

01:09:21.860 Oh, my gosh.

01:09:22.700 I felt like I reached a real flow state.

01:09:24.680 The world.

01:09:25.780 Yeah.

01:09:26.080 Just, like, so in there.

01:09:27.340 I felt like I was moving a million miles an hour.

01:09:30.060 I was, like, going out.

01:09:31.460 I was going to town in that closet.

01:09:33.220 My favorite auntie got into my refrigerator and drank one of those weed drinks. 1.00

01:09:38.180 And then I found her in the guest bedroom in, like, the shape of, like, when someone gets

01:09:43.220 murdered and they draw, like, the outline of someone.

01:09:45.480 She was, like, face down, and her shoes were still on.

01:09:49.120 And I was, like, auntie, auntie.

01:09:51.140 Like, and she literally slept for two days.

01:09:53.040 Oh, my God.

01:09:54.120 Like, I was so excited to see her.

01:09:55.340 And, like, I didn't tell her to drink it, but it incapacitated her.

01:09:58.320 And she did not.

01:09:58.980 She, like, I had to check her to make sure she wasn't dead.

01:10:01.040 Yeah.

01:10:01.560 You had to make sure.

01:10:02.580 I, like, moved her head to the side so she could breathe.

01:10:04.400 And that was, yeah, she was out.

01:10:05.500 I do want to say, before we wrap, I do want to tell this story, because when I was on

01:10:09.320 your show last, when I was last time I was in New York, or, like, actually, it was a

01:10:12.820 few times before that, you were, like, let's go smoke after.

01:10:16.160 So we went downstairs to go smoke after.

01:10:18.220 And, like, we were smoking king, right?

01:10:20.360 King down.

01:10:21.160 You and I just gabbing.

01:10:22.700 And as we were smoking, I hit your J at one point, and I had to cough so bad.

01:10:29.520 And I was literally telling those after we left, we parted ways.

01:10:32.480 Because I was, like, while you were, like, while you were talking to me, and I remember

01:10:36.900 at one point, I was, like, I'm going to freak out, because I have to cough so loud, but I

01:10:40.080 don't want to be rude.

01:10:40.920 And then you were, like, I remember you looking at me, you go, are you okay?

01:10:43.980 And then I go, mm.

01:10:45.760 And I was, like, I have to cough.

01:10:47.580 Drew, have you ever need to dislodge a loogie or, like, cough it out in front of me?

01:10:50.800 Like, I am so pro that.

01:10:52.040 Honestly, I-

01:10:52.380 You can never gross me out.

01:10:53.200 I love-

01:10:53.820 I knew you would, but it was more so that I was going to cough for 20 minutes, and I didn't-

01:10:58.020 You're just, like, trying to let me, like, stop talking?

01:10:59.260 Well, no, you know how it's one of those where it's, like, oh, my God, I'm so annoying,

01:11:02.300 I can't stop coughing.

01:11:03.280 That's how I felt.

01:11:03.840 That happened to me.

01:11:04.160 I get, like, my bi-

01:11:04.900 I call it my bonkitis.

01:11:06.520 It's my bi-annual bonkitis.

01:11:08.620 And I've told that story, but I didn't say who it was.

01:11:11.240 I was, like, I was smoking with my friend, and I was, like- 0.99

01:11:14.660 And you know what's funny is you were sharing tea with me, bitch. 1.00

01:11:18.340 So I was, like, we were gabbing about it. 0.99

01:11:20.360 I remember.

01:11:20.640 Yeah, but then I was, like, like, looking at you, because I was, like, this is the craziest

01:11:27.320 story I've ever heard, and I can't even emote to it, because I'm going to pass out.

01:11:30.360 I'm sorry, queen.

01:11:32.000 No, I literally was, like, when I walked back over to my family, we were, like, bye, bye,

01:11:36.080 bye.

01:11:36.860 And we walked away.

01:11:38.140 My fiance was, like, how was it? 0.99

01:11:39.520 I was, like, bro, it was fucking tar. 0.99

01:11:42.200 I literally was, like, ah. 0.98

01:11:44.300 Sorry.

01:11:45.180 No, it was so good.

01:11:46.520 I was high for a couple hours.

01:11:48.360 After that, I was, like-

01:11:48.840 I think I need to start smoking different weed.

01:11:50.400 I got high with this girl that I met at a party the other day, and she literally just,

01:11:53.500 like, passed out in the middle.

01:11:54.680 Like, she was, like, nice to me, and she's passed out in my arms, like, on the side of

01:11:57.680 the street.

01:11:58.100 And I had to, like, get her a Pepsi and, like, sit with her. 0.73

01:12:00.440 And she was, like, sorry, I did the hair for, like, three fashion shows today, and I

01:12:03.260 didn't eat.

01:12:03.800 And then I drank a bunch of alcohol, and then I got high with you.

01:12:05.980 And I was, like, oh, that'll do it.

01:12:06.620 Oh, she got the spins. 0.99

01:12:07.380 Cross-faded.

01:12:08.160 Yeah.

01:12:08.700 But I was, like, my husband was, like, I think we need to get, like, less strong joints for when

01:12:12.280 you smoke with strangers. 0.99

01:12:13.480 I was, like, god damn. 1.00

01:12:15.260 When I went down my side, I felt like... 0.99

01:12:17.600 She's got the high tolerance.

01:12:18.620 I honestly, so do I, though.

01:12:20.180 That's why I felt like, I just felt like I hated, like, a newbie. 1.00

01:12:22.940 Just hit it.

01:12:23.300 No, wrong pipe.

01:12:24.840 Wait, thank you for having me on.

01:12:25.520 I love you so much.

01:12:26.220 Oh, thank you so much for coming back.

01:12:27.760 I love you.

01:12:28.140 I'm obsessed with you.

01:12:29.060 You're the best.

01:12:29.740 And honestly, I don't think this is necessary, but if anyone, if, like, two people haven't

01:12:34.620 ever seen you and don't know where to find you, where can they find you?

01:12:36.780 I'm on Instagram, TikTok.

01:12:38.600 I'm JVN.

01:12:39.500 And also, my podcast is really fun.

01:12:41.400 Yes!

01:12:41.540 Getting Better.

01:12:42.100 It's every Wednesday.

01:12:42.620 And our Monday edit is more of, like, it's, like, the news, TikTok, pop culture.

01:12:47.580 It's, like, me and my producer from the podcast, Chris, who I was talking about.

01:12:50.260 We have so much fun.

01:12:51.000 So, it's on Mondays, and then we have Getting Better on Wednesdays.

01:12:53.080 And JVN Hair.

01:12:54.280 And JVN Hair.

01:12:55.000 Yay! 0.99

01:12:55.360 And I'm on tour if you need a new comedian to come see.

01:12:57.400 Oh, my gosh.

01:12:58.440 And they're so funny live.

01:12:59.580 You're so funny live.

01:13:00.880 I'm obsessed with you.

01:13:01.620 I love you.

01:13:01.740 Thanks for having me.

01:13:02.220 I love you so much.

01:13:02.580 You're the best.

01:13:03.420 Thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comments section.

01:13:06.060 Don't forget, new episodes drop every Wednesday.

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01:13:13.560 Thank you so much to my amazing guest, JVN.

01:13:15.440 Thank you so much to all of you, and I'll see you next week.

01:13:17.020 Bye!

The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - December 03, 2025

WHAT WAS YOUR WHIMSY？ Ft. JVN ｜ Episode 198

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