The Comment Section with Drew Afualo

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00:00:16.100 hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me your fave

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00:00:31.580 the unbelievably hilarious fortune fiefster welcome to the show i wanted to get in on those

00:00:39.320 woos yeah you have to it's it's real group think i love it the energy everyone's a sheep in here

00:00:44.800 it's great yeah don't matter woo come on it's a real like monkey sea monkey kind of vibe i have

00:00:51.020 over here but i'm honored to have you i am so honored to be here thank you for having me

00:00:55.500 please you're an icon and a legend i think you're so hilarious oh thank you and i've been watching

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00:01:41.480 life's all right yeah you're a busy bee i am yeah you got a lot going on i just got back from iceland

00:01:46.720 oh my god how was that it was so fun i did a show over there oh okay and what's the crowd like in

00:01:51.820 iceland very great i mean icelandic people are kind of quirky anyway yeah so they i think got the

00:01:59.020 silliness that i'm bringing to the table they were picking up what you were yeah we kind of and and i'm

00:02:04.120 a sturdy woman and they have sturdy women it's the one country where i don't get called sir i loved it

00:02:11.200 that is a win yeah yeah depending on who you ask that is a win they're like you're one of us i said

00:02:17.480 sure i get it though i'm also a sturdy woman listen we but we hold it down i think so people come to

00:02:26.500 us they want us to be the base of their pyramids when they you know one of those cute pictures where

00:02:33.980 everyone's on each other or the base we're holding it down at the bottom yeah okay i got you it's either

00:02:39.740 that or i'm taking the picture so either one she'll take the picture right i know being a big

00:02:46.920 everyone in hollywood is itty bitty small they're itty bitty but we're doing our own thing i know

00:02:52.380 i just i was shocked when i got here a lot of short people yeah everybody's so unbelievably tiny like i

00:02:59.780 had maryn morris here yeah and she sat in that chair like an american girl doll she's like this part

00:03:05.560 of the chair yeah like her feet were completely straight i was like you're too small her legs

00:03:10.080 yeah i was like you need to you need to grow more i'm like god dang can i fit in this i know you and

00:03:17.500 me both but i come from a big family do you come from a big family i sure do yeah big i you know

00:03:21.860 what's funny is like when i tell people like my perception of like larger bodied people or just

00:03:27.060 tall people big people yeah is vastly different from other people's because sometimes when they see

00:03:32.560 because my dad is 6'6 oh yeah so my dad's a big dude so like when they see me they're like whoa

00:03:38.100 if they saw my dad i don't know what would happen you're like i ain't nothing well how tall are you

00:03:44.360 i'm six feet yeah i'm 5'10 okay nice i think i'm gonna start lying and saying i'm 5'10 yeah yeah

00:03:50.780 because i'm getting into acting oh not yeah when i'm six in front of it i'd love to get some advice

00:03:55.740 from you on that okay but like i just started dipping my toe into acting i would love to move

00:04:01.120 into it and i obviously like i do self-tapes and you know for the slate they have you say like

00:04:05.440 where you're where you're located and your height yeah and i just recently hired an acting coach and

00:04:10.900 i asked him i said can i ask you a question yeah does height matter like when i say because i tell

00:04:15.420 i say i'm six feet in the slate but i think it's working against me me not even factoring talent

00:04:20.640 i'm like it has to be cares about my acting it has to be my what do they think about my height

00:04:27.080 that's what's preventing me from getting the role can you say five five eleven that's why i he told

00:04:32.840 me five ten five ten five eleven yeah i mean i guess if you say five ten no one's they don't really

00:04:38.440 know measure me yeah and if you do then i say misogynistic and you already have the job at that

00:04:42.740 point well and i and i when i asked him he was like that's a great question in short yes it does

00:04:49.660 he's like so i have some clients that are men and i'm like well that doesn't make me feel good

00:04:53.560 opening the conversation like that like all right and he's like and they're like six three six four

00:04:59.420 i have a couple and he goes when the role comes in and superhero i'm like he's six four right when

00:05:04.380 it's love interest i'm like he's five ten oh and i was like that's a huge jump i'm gonna start

00:05:09.060 telling people on five two i think that you i think five tens where to land i think so that's

00:05:13.420 where we're gonna go i even told my fiancee i was like what about five nine he goes no yeah no five

00:05:18.580 ten he's like they're gonna know you're lying just like i was like all right relax not too much

00:05:23.120 on me calm down calm down yeah but i i was really thinking i was like i really think guys i was me

00:05:29.180 telling my team i know nothing i'm like i think it's my height yep i think that's why because some

00:05:33.420 of the reads they're not huge parts but like some of the they're like love interest uh-huh so if i say

00:05:37.360 six feet they're gonna be like damn well because all the guys in hollywood are like five six i know

00:05:42.600 and then i'm like well what's a girl to do i'm not reading for the love interest part so i don't

00:05:47.740 i don't worry about it i'm the quirky crazy person that flies into a scene and acts insane

00:05:54.460 well maybe i gotta switch up my my mo i mean listen i think you should go for whatever you want to do

00:06:01.240 but that i've learned where my sweet spot is and mine is being the insane person and you're and you're

00:06:06.660 booking the roles left and right i mean yeah i gotta learn from you yeah i i i'm so curious because i

00:06:11.300 have this this is just a random fear me just creating problems on nowhere but i was like

00:06:15.280 i was thinking about love scenes in movies okay have you done a lot of love scenes no no one's

00:06:21.080 weirdly enough hollywood's not asking for that i i had my first on-screen smooch okay how was that

00:06:29.120 and uh it truly was just a smooch it's like like that they're like don't don't do too much not too much

00:06:35.920 okay on the mini project i was actually my character gets engaged on the show and we don't

00:06:41.960 kiss in hindsight that's wild that is crazy i'm just proposing this person and we're like

00:06:48.620 you sound like brothers every time so yeah somehow my first on-screen kiss was uh in foobar this last

00:06:58.480 season and uh we like uh had some big victory and she just gives me a little smooch but but it wasn't

00:07:06.580 like the yeah it wasn't just how was it how that would be awkward doing the like that's what i'm

00:07:12.080 saying because i was thinking me and it was so funny when i had this irrational fear i was telling

00:07:16.780 uh my cousin who's my hair makeup artist it's like four in the morning we're glamming he's like

00:07:21.180 he's like glaring and i'm like and then i'm thinking what if i have a love scene like how am i

00:07:25.560 gonna do that like just the thought of doing it aches me out so bad that i like it makes me not

00:07:30.100 want to act like i'm being so serious i will do it if i will do it i will do it yeah hollywood if

00:07:35.820 you're listening um that being said though i was telling i was like and then what am i gonna do

00:07:39.520 am i just not gonna take the role like i'm i'm creating these fake scenarios that have not happened

00:07:44.520 i didn't even yeah i guess cross that bridge when they when it gets here yeah how am i possibly gonna

00:07:51.380 do a love scene oh how am i gonna break it to james cameron how am i gonna tell him

00:07:55.000 how am i gonna tell christopher nolan i can't go through with the scene just be ready to talk to

00:07:58.840 an intimacy coordinator me prepping yeah they coordinate all that stuff right and i'm telling

00:08:04.540 him and he goes okay first of all you haven't booked anything so calm down and i was like right

00:08:09.240 you're right you're right yeah i needed that let's wait for that part he's like second of all why

00:08:14.080 don't you just wait till you book something yeah i was like all right yeah but also can't gab do all

00:08:18.980 the things try out for the love interest part and also the crazy i think i would make an awesome

00:08:24.180 like crazy best friend or like a for sure bitchy mean girl i think i would kill yeah absolutely

00:08:28.560 either one a fun friend or crazy friend you got both how is the auditioning process like do you

00:08:34.420 have any tips for me i hate it the auditioning part is the worst yeah i i book everything that's

00:08:41.280 handed to me but when they go you got the part yes yes uh but not when i audition it's a longer road

00:08:50.240 um but at this point in my career i'm kind of like it's not like i'm i would understand if it

00:08:56.760 was like a part that's like way out of my wheelhouse but most of the stuff was in the

00:09:02.860 vein of what i do like you so i'm kind of like at this point like you know you've seen me do this

00:09:07.480 you know i can do it a thousand times my range is that big yeah like i disagree you either want this

00:09:14.200 or you don't i think i could see you in house of the dragon or something maybe i think you could

00:09:19.040 be some scary ass person and like a scary movie that's you know oh yeah one of those i could do

00:09:25.140 something like that they'd make me crossdress for sure yeah they put me in one of those they'd make

00:09:29.020 me that giant gnome that was fighting with the wildlings like that's who they'd cast me as i'd be

00:09:33.960 like the woman in a trailer that's a band you know been abandoned by everyone and just like

00:09:39.860 you know hadn't just a couple of bathed in a long time i'd be one of those people

00:09:45.500 but yeah auditioning heck it's not the best because it's you know some people are amazing

00:09:52.320 auditioners and then on the day they don't really bring it yeah that's true which i don't think is

00:09:57.120 helpful yeah uh i i like to think i bring it on the day um you said just wait well because it's

00:10:03.000 that's like with stand-up too and if i've had to like host something they kind of want you to go

00:10:07.180 through your material earlier in the day you're just gonna like i'm like it'll be fine later

00:10:12.280 trust me it's gonna kill yeah when it's time you kind of come alive that's that's t sort of how i

00:10:17.880 do it i love that though i think the acting coach i worked with too he told me like a lot of times

00:10:22.220 it's confidence more than anything yeah like moving with confidence is like a big huge part of it sure

00:10:27.880 and he's like and then sometimes i'll when people like they start booking off confidence like they

00:10:31.860 don't really need me as much and then if they get something that's harder yeah they'll come back to me

00:10:35.740 and then work on that yeah okay that makes you feel a little bit better it's good that you're

00:10:39.460 going to somebody that helps i mean i've been to people throughout you know my career especially

00:10:44.060 if it's a harder um uh role or like i've tried out for things that it that are out of my wheelhouse

00:10:51.040 and i've been proud of putting that work that you know pushed myself to do something different but

00:10:56.420 yeah i think it you know getting off book very important i used to like complain about that all the

00:11:02.080 time really like i don't want to memorize this but it really makes a difference like no that's

00:11:06.660 so true present yeah that's so true look people in the eye when you're you know doing the audition

00:11:11.920 and um and yeah the confidence definitely helps if you're like timid or yeah totally they don't want

00:11:18.240 that i'm sure yeah when you're doing it no that makes me feel a lot better about it especially i want

00:11:22.680 to move to stand up like all right i would love to know like what drew you to stand up in the first

00:11:27.380 place like what made you want to go into it well i started the groundlings first love um iconic yeah

00:11:33.080 they're so great uh improv first and then sketch comedy uh how do you like improv i love it so silly

00:11:40.820 you know i love it but it's like it's ridiculous but that's the best part about the groundlings is

00:11:46.140 that you you're an adult kind of not caring what people think which i love yeah you're allowing

00:11:50.960 yourself to be silly and creative and their their goal is to push you to the point where you're not

00:11:56.920 judging yourself oh i love no ego involved yeah so i think that's bled into my stand up of

00:12:02.800 not being afraid to be silly look silly or be silly totally i'm not trying to be some you know sex pot up

00:12:08.940 there i don't look like one i'm not trying to be one i'm just being ridiculous yeah and uh i think

00:12:15.660 that started with improv totally um and then sketch helped me learn how to write and essentially most of

00:12:23.640 my acting uh skills came from improv improv and doing the the sketch shows uh so i was there about

00:12:31.020 six years and while i was there uh i started my own sketch comedy group oh cool what was the name

00:12:36.980 gas money because we were just trying to make gas money i always ask the name i love the name yeah we

00:12:43.460 were broke i just needed some gas money uh but it was uh i found it was hard to get stage time back

00:12:49.620 then now they have a lot more opportunities yeah uh but back then you only got stage time if you were

00:12:55.020 in the company i was like how do we get in the company if we don't have stage time so i started

00:12:59.720 my own group while i went through the school and a friend came to a show and she was like why aren't

00:13:05.520 you doing stand-up and yeah i was like because it looks really hard and she's like just do it so

00:13:11.200 she helped uh get me in touch with a friend of hers who had a class i took a class like a nerd

00:13:17.380 and i'm so that's cool though but i think it's kind of fun to do that because it's a structure

00:13:22.860 totally uh where you're like oh once a week i'll go do this class and that will make me on stage and

00:13:28.320 make me get in uh talking to a microphone and you don't necessarily no one can really teach you how

00:13:34.280 to be a stand-up but they can teach you like here's some general structure structure and just do it

00:13:39.240 and uh it got me to just do it and at the end of the six weeks there was like a show

00:13:43.860 and and once i got out on stage and did did the set i was like oh i'm hooked did you love it i loved

00:13:50.440 it immediately immediately i love that though yeah so great and i think having done improv and sketch

00:13:56.720 it made me way more comfortable on yeah stage because half of stand-up is just learning to be

00:14:01.360 comfortable that's true and uh if the audience can sense that you're not comfortable yeah they are

00:14:08.920 not on board with you that's true uh they sniff it out right away almost immediately yeah like

00:14:13.760 blood in the water but again that confidence if you yeah if you're having a good time you're like

00:14:18.420 your your energy's telling them they're in good hands yeah totally they'll be at ease that's such

00:14:23.760 a good point i like did i i tried stand-up i was avoiding it forever because i was like i love

00:14:29.640 stand-up so much that i was like i really don't want to find out the hard way i'm bad at it like

00:14:34.480 because it's literally like going up there and perform and then they're just they don't have to

00:14:38.000 laugh yeah you're not funny they're not going to that's true so that was like and i have my ego is

00:14:43.460 not too big to admit i know i'm funny online yeah doesn't always translate but you're confident

00:14:48.480 yeah that is true i am very confident but i was like i was worried and maybe that's proof that i

00:14:54.580 wasn't like an asshole being trying to do stand-up because you know men will tell like a couple jokes

00:14:59.620 on tiktok and they're like i should quit my job i should be a professional stand-up i should start

00:15:04.300 picking up shifts at the laugh factory yeah but just you doing your your podcast and i know you've

00:15:09.500 toured and i mean that's great like practice for that just being on stage being in a mic yeah it's

00:15:15.700 already half the battle and our mutual friend caleb he bullied me into trying stand-up that's what

00:15:20.840 caleb's for to bully people he's so funny and he came and watched me live um here in la and then

00:15:29.200 afterwards he was like you need to do stand-up yeah and he because and he was telling me and i

00:15:33.360 was like i mean maybe but i was i know you know caleb i do you wouldn't lie to me he would have a

00:15:41.280 great time no just uh tell you the truth if he thought otherwise uh be like girl you should not

00:15:46.700 be doing this you wouldn't have a ball yeah going down that road he's like it was fun you shouldn't

00:15:51.120 do it anymore but it was fun have you um well in stand-up have you noticed any like are there any

00:15:56.460 cities that are your faves to tour oh my gosh there's so many good cities i mean i've been

00:16:02.360 touring now 15 years uh period non-stop uh i got to stand up 2007 and then started touring 2010

00:16:11.120 um a lot of crappy shows and uh cafeterias of right colleges and stuff like that but uh i just

00:16:20.800 you know i if every year and a half i would go back to a new city uh and build you know call it

00:16:27.120 building the markets and so i'm very lucky that a lot of these markets i have been building every

00:16:32.700 once a year every year and a half so i go back to these places and have such a nice rapport like

00:16:38.480 um chicago's one of the best that was fun chicago's fun yeah yeah uh dallas very cool yeah i mean i

00:16:47.080 i i'm shocked sometimes that where i sell i i sell more tickets in dallas than i do like in san

00:16:53.180 francisco it's bizarre to me i i don't quite understand southern's winning over gay yeah i don't

00:16:58.660 know so um that's a trip nashville's great i mean uh but then you go to these some of these like

00:17:05.320 random markets like a mobile alabama i i was like having dinner in a restaurant on the main strip that

00:17:13.700 leads to the theater and after dinner my opener and i are walking i'm like let's just walk to the

00:17:19.360 theater and it's like a parade start everyone's like jumping out of their cars and like hey hey

00:17:24.220 and he's like what's happening i go i don't know they're just so pumped to like have you know people

00:17:30.480 come to their city that's true because they're smaller they're smaller and so some of these bigger

00:17:34.460 cities you know or have a plethora of entertainment and and they're used to it my manager says they're

00:17:39.740 spoiled they are like la san francisco new york yeah so i like to go to these smaller markets

00:17:45.080 and uh it's it feels like such a treat you know that yeah uh they treat me well and and i have

00:17:52.680 such a good time so that's good at this point there's not there's very few places where i'm like

00:17:58.160 i'm not going back there uh most places i'm pretty pumped to return yeah joel kim booster told me it

00:18:03.520 was arizona like he was like phoenix specifically he's like i love me yeah he goes i've gone twice

00:18:08.620 bombed both times not for him we laughed about it he was like and the second time i was like well

00:18:13.600 you know the first time was different you go second time even worse so i said never mind don't book me

00:18:17.080 there anymore we laughed about it but i i get what you mean because when i was on tour last year i was

00:18:22.520 shocked that one of our first cities that sold out was columbus ohio oh columbus is an amazing yeah

00:18:27.360 i was like y'all are freaks out here like i was shocked at how many people showed up and for me that

00:18:33.020 they have a huge gay community there yeah so i get a lot of love in columbus but it is a very good

00:18:38.500 city for comedy it was so fun yeah i had a blast there dallas too dallas was really fun for me when

00:18:43.380 i went there uh i'd love to ask this uh question to comics but like do you have any jokes that you

00:18:49.100 know hit in certain cities versus others yeah i mean like when i'm in the south i know that i i'm

00:18:54.640 talking more about biscuits and my hooters jokes and stuff it's a bit more irreverent there or i or

00:19:02.140 i have jokes about church and stuff like there are churches on every corner there um and then

00:19:07.960 maybe like west coast maybe talk more gay stuff but for the most part because i'm always working

00:19:15.360 towards shooting a special yes so every tour of mine now is very structured it's a year and a half to two

00:19:21.220 years yeah it's a hundred uh cities at least uh 150 shows and and the whole uh year and a half to two

00:19:31.160 years i'm just building the act towards filming it okay so most of the time yeah it's a similar

00:19:36.480 set but it's constantly evolving yeah and i'll change the order a lot i'll punch stuff up so

00:19:42.000 it's fun for people to see it like some people will see in the very beginning yeah and how it

00:19:46.520 evolves near the end yeah and then some stories once you know because two years have passed you're

00:19:52.960 like that story's not as fun anymore yeah pull it and and something new will have years yeah

00:19:59.400 that's by the time the special comes out two years yeah but still you're working all the time yeah

00:20:04.240 and it's it's wild like i've uh done three hours and two half hours i never thought i'd have this

00:20:10.060 much material that's crazy i didn't think i'd have one hour so i can't believe i'm you know to that

00:20:15.560 point but it's just a different time it used to be comics put out a special one every four years

00:20:20.840 yeah totally and now when you're as unbelievably funny as you they're like more more more more i don't

00:20:26.440 know i just think people are like consuming content so much faster yeah the landscape has

00:20:31.580 shifted so now if you don't put out one every two years they're like what are you doing and you're

00:20:35.600 like isn't this enough and i'm like filming in between like i'm acting for like five months in

00:20:42.160 between so maybe so yeah but no this will be about a year and a half to two years but okay but yeah

00:20:48.100 for yeah i think at this point the people coming to my shows most of those people know yeah they love me

00:20:54.660 or who i am um so i'm not having to win them over as much which is nice it's helpful yeah oh yeah

00:21:02.180 well i mean you worked your ass off to get the audience so that makes sense that's part of the

00:21:06.040 building those markets totally occasionally there will be some people that wander in and you can see

00:21:11.360 the shell shock like where am i who are what are all these gays doing

00:21:17.320 there's this many of you here but i actually my audience about it's about half and half okay

00:21:23.440 half straighties half gays right i get real shocked when i have straight men in any room i'm in i'm like

00:21:31.060 really they're yeah they're usually with a the girlfriend who's exactly and the girlfriend's

00:21:36.720 always like i dragged him here and you're like okay yeah he's like yeah she did all right relax

00:21:42.940 but there is such a victory in seeing the guys like their arms kind of cross in the beginning

00:21:50.320 where they're like you can tell they were dragged did not want to be here and were dragged uh and

00:21:56.200 then they're the ones that you know at the end of the show high-fiving me like that was a funny

00:22:00.720 that's always feels good i agree to see them like come on to uh the side of really loving it yeah get

00:22:08.100 on board yeah yeah you're like i'm gonna get you don't you worry get you mister and i know you're

00:22:14.000 from the south you're from north carolina yeah we're in north carolina uh it's a tiny town called

00:22:18.240 belmont right outside of charlotte okay t because my assistant we were talking yeah she's from

00:22:23.580 wilmington yeah she was telling me all about it i was like don't know anything this that's my thing

00:22:28.280 to do to white people is like when they're from the same geographical location i'm like i know

00:22:32.300 someone who's from yeah like you guys know each other yeah my agent's canadian so any any time i meet a

00:22:37.600 canadian person yeah she's in the room i go she's canadian you're so pumped about it you guys have

00:22:41.900 so much in common you should talk have you ever been in north carolina no i haven't i don't think

00:22:47.420 wait on tour no i don't think so me forgetting like i don't believe so no but we are planning to go

00:22:54.280 to her hometown oh really yeah like because she wants to show us around well it's pretty great

00:22:59.880 you'll like it yeah yeah she was telling us all about it she talks about it all the time sometimes

00:23:03.680 she tells us things and i'm like that sounds like a made-up place yeah you're like well you know

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00:24:14.920 are like what it was all the rage back yeah katie holmes right yeah i know about it like who was it

00:24:22.260 james vanderby i know so the south is in your set a lot i bet well it's just part of you part of me

00:24:30.480 yeah i've been here 22 years in la but my accent is very thick i don't know how to shake it it's not

00:24:37.740 going anywhere i'm glad you still have it i mean it i think it's different yeah it's it's uh it helps

00:24:43.600 me with comedy in that i can like ham up some things yeah as a result and use it to my advantage

00:24:50.460 um but yeah i think having just grown up in the south and being around a lot of characters uh

00:24:56.960 people that are real who you when you describe them to people are like there's no way that's a

00:25:02.000 real person like that is the people that i grew up around so it's such a part of me and my storytelling

00:25:08.900 totally that uh that yeah that part of me just kind of comes out but i've been west coast for so long

00:25:14.600 that it's this mix of like that southern thing and the manners with the west coast chill yeah uh

00:25:22.960 kind of selfishness into one yeah a lot of selfishness i'll do what i want and uh jeans

00:25:28.820 a lot of jeans i'm a 45 year old woman in nikes what that's crazy but that's west coast baby

00:25:40.840 that's you blending in yeah i'm like go home and my everyone that else my age is not wearing

00:25:48.320 this i promise you when you said in between touring stand-up uh you also film and obviously

00:25:55.020 you're a very successful actor as well um how'd you get into acting like how'd you was that kind

00:25:59.420 of a natural progression from stand-up yeah i was on chelsea lately for four years three years as a

00:26:06.060 writer and then on the panel and so i would do a lot of sketches for them and coming from the

00:26:11.740 groundlings uh doing a lot of characters and um so i was dabbling in that world but not real like

00:26:18.360 acting um and i it just was always a goal of mine to do it love and uh so i took acting classes and

00:26:25.440 uh on my in my free time and then when chelsea uh chelsea's show ended i got i tried out for a

00:26:34.060 pilot for fox uh and got it and so that was like my first big uh booking of of something and i was

00:26:42.060 so excited it was a tina fay produced pilot and really funny uh and it just it was gonna get picked

00:26:49.860 up it was one of those uh hollywood things where it was set to go and then the they fired the

00:26:55.380 president of the network and the new people came in there's all that politics behind the scenes and

00:27:01.240 it's out of your control yeah so it went away but uh i had tina's ear for a second and i i was like

00:27:08.120 let me just picture i'm gonna just picture a show and i i just picture you know they say write what

00:27:13.500 you know yeah and so i just pitched an idea based on my life and uh she she really liked it so the guy

00:27:19.780 that wrote the pilot i had just done he wrote it with me and we sold it to abc uh and shot and we got

00:27:26.780 to shoot the pilot it was called family fortune uh really cool like a little bit before it's time

00:27:32.140 because i played a gay person in the south okay because this is like 10 years ago yeah and uh

00:27:37.660 that would kill now oh i know it back then they're like we can only put on one gay show at a time

00:27:43.400 kissing yeah and ellen's still here so you can't that's right that spot's been taken yeah and uh and it

00:27:50.720 didn't get picked up um but uh one of the writers on the mindy project lang fisher who also uh co-created

00:27:59.160 um never have ever with mindy kayling yeah uh she told mindy about me she's like i just did punch-ups

00:28:06.280 on this pilot and they had this part of um that was of a southern uh brother sister duo and uh it was

00:28:14.480 supposed to be three episodes and uh they hired me for the three episodes that led to like nine

00:28:20.160 episodes which led to three seasons so shout out to mindy uh she is who basically started my acting

00:28:27.620 career that's so um i everything i learned about being on set and being a professional actor was

00:28:32.760 on that show and i was in such good hands i mean mindy's an incredible writer and showrunner and

00:28:39.720 creator and i never had to worry about anything the the jokes the the material was incredible

00:28:45.020 yeah so to like get to like have three years of acting classes basically yeah on a mindy kayling

00:28:51.880 show on a huge pretty incredible yeah absolutely and i just have been acting ever since that just

00:28:57.380 opened the door fucking cool did you get to do like um a lot of improv and stuff once you were like

00:29:01.880 on that show no because just because they're her having come from the office like their writing was so

00:29:09.200 good that it needed nothing from me like occasionally i'd add a little something here and there yeah

00:29:15.420 that's one of the few projects i've been on where i did not add a thing that's um but once i left there

00:29:22.320 a lot of things i've done they'll they'll be like because i kept writing and i was kept selling projects

00:29:29.140 and um so my writing got better over the years and so they'll usually be like film it how it's written

00:29:35.420 and then do your thing so like in office i did this small part in my office christmas party

00:29:41.180 uh where i played the uber driver to jennifer anison and they said to me like this scene is kind of a

00:29:46.820 throwaway scene but it has an important piece of information you have to tell her there's a christmas

00:29:51.260 party at the office uh but you can basically rewrite the scene and i'm like oh cool so i

00:29:56.020 completely rewrote the whole scene yeah and then improvise this whole thing about her name being an

00:30:01.540 old name and god bless jen ranison she just went along with it you know she just had no idea what

00:30:09.420 i was gonna say i had no idea what i was gonna say and it just led to this whole crazy scene

00:30:14.180 that ended up testing super high when they were um testing the movie and they brought me back to end

00:30:21.580 the movie so it's it's cool when you get to like put your little stamp on things hell yeah and you're

00:30:26.840 just that fucking funny well i just think as my stand-up has grown hell yeah people now trust like

00:30:33.360 they go oh well we know she writes for herself totally so let's uh there's a little more trust

00:30:39.320 there i guess yeah yeah do you have like i wouldn't say a favorite but would you say there's some

00:30:43.760 aspect of the business that you like more or lean more towards like writing acting stand-up

00:30:48.120 definitely not writing no it's so hard even though you're really good in it i mean it's just i just

00:30:53.200 do it because i have to yeah you know it feels like homework if it i i would have never guessed

00:30:59.000 in a million years like when i was in college that i would be writing all the time it feels like

00:31:04.460 college has never ended i just always torture like i open my computer i'm like oh god it really is

00:31:11.960 like that because you know you're writing like books almost right literally it's like writing a

00:31:16.960 book and um so and i'm always creating pilots and projects and so it's just so i've been working on

00:31:25.980 one movie idea for seven years damn it's constantly being rewritten constant notes so it's my least

00:31:33.400 favorite but it is the most um efficient to like if i had not written that pilot for myself i would

00:31:43.080 not have gotten the menu project you know what i mean totally because if i had auditioned for the

00:31:46.620 mini project probably wouldn't i gotten it based on my audition skills but so i learned early on in

00:31:54.160 my career that to create for yourself uh is your best avenue you see that with your podcast it's

00:32:01.240 opened so many doors right yeah you're so fucking me you've got to create your own path yeah you have

00:32:07.200 to show the business the industry what you can do they're not waiting to to give you that opportunity

00:32:14.040 that's so true um so yeah so that's what i learned early on was just like i gotta forge my own path

00:32:20.040 because when i started being different was not celebrated yeah uh and it was not um represented in

00:32:28.320 no and and they were they just did not know what to do with me so i had to show them yeah

00:32:34.460 and you could do yeah so now i'm just continuing to do that so at this point the writing is just a

00:32:39.800 means to an end uh i think i stand up is probably the most rewarding because um i'm actually getting

00:32:48.440 to stand in front of people and uh get an immediate reaction yeah hear the laughter yeah and i'm sharing

00:32:54.460 who i am i'm telling a lot of personal stories so i think people feel like they know me as a result

00:32:59.640 yeah so it's created this very like relatable interaction between me and whoever watches my

00:33:05.760 stuff and then acting is just fun it's fun after being on the road for so long you know you've been

00:33:10.880 on the i don't do tour buses but you've been on tour it's yeah you get so tired you don't do the

00:33:15.720 bus i don't do the bus i can't do the bus i did the bus and i flew some yeah i only did 22 dates

00:33:21.700 like in like four and a half weeks so it was like almost like six days on one day off okay

00:33:27.040 like four or five days on two days off like that's kind of how we did it um and i really thought i

00:33:32.320 was like i'm gonna hate that fucking bus like i just felt like that was gonna be the case

00:33:35.520 then when we started doing it and we were like driving every night i was like every time the bus

00:33:40.600 left me i was like oh really every time you were like in your little nook yeah and like you have

00:33:45.520 all your things yeah it's just like going in the hotels like going in day rooms and shit like

00:33:48.940 that it felt like i was on the run i felt like jason born i just felt like going there change my

00:33:53.660 underwear shower wipe everything down leave yeah so it felt like every time i was like i can't even

00:33:58.400 lay down i know i can't even pull up this blanket yeah i literally just have to wipe i have to change

00:34:03.560 my chonies and head out yeah i mean if i was gonna do like i could like oh you gotta do like a

00:34:08.740 bunch of dates in this amount of time i could i would do a bus yeah but because i i draw

00:34:14.340 spread it out yeah i i think because i'm a a cancer so i like to be at home i'm a home buddy

00:34:20.820 me too so if i'm like gone for if i was gone for months at a time on a bus i think i would have a

00:34:25.480 hard time with that yeah that is yeah taylor thompson told me she tours like that yeah like

00:34:30.520 she kind of does it in long spurts yeah she's kind of a little more relaxed yeah because i i want

00:34:36.740 to have balance you know like i work really hard because and and have my hands in a lot of

00:34:44.420 different things but i think also like having a life seeing friends seeing family going to lunch

00:34:50.320 with someone totally it's important yeah and so i don't want to just disappear for like six months

00:34:55.580 on a bus i agree i think i call that normal human people time like now because i'm like i need to go

00:35:00.820 hang out with people who don't give a fuck about me yeah yeah i need to hang out with people who don't

00:35:04.220 think i'm the most hilarious bitch they've ever met you need the balance you gotta stay grounded

00:35:08.100 that's for sure do you have friends and family that are pretty humbling for you oh everybody in

00:35:11.860 my life is very humbling yeah caleb's one of them he's in both my lives i have not been allowed to

00:35:17.720 be too full of myself ever i'll be like i'm important and then i'm like cleaning out some

00:35:24.340 junk drawer of my mom's and i'm like all right whatever i know sometimes i i forget who it was but

00:35:32.240 oh no i was like my sister at once she told me i had posted a video or something that was me

00:35:38.280 making fun of someone and then she was like how's the funniest one you've posted in a while

00:35:41.980 oh so and i said i post every day but thanks yeah thank you every day thank you that's gonna be

00:35:48.120 great thank you yeah i'd actually love those notes thank you they mean a lot to me please continue

00:35:54.240 giving me this constructive criticism have you ever gotten any uh any notes on your on your sentence

00:36:00.160 stuff from like unsolicited notes oh god all the time from fans yeah fans men anyone yeah of course

00:36:06.800 people like to put their two cents in right listen i don't mind if someone's like hey i have a funny

00:36:12.300 tag for you because uh i mean usually it's garbage but um once in a blue moon someone's got like

00:36:20.280 oh you're like all right that was kind of funny i didn't think of that and i'm like very appreciative

00:36:24.340 because as you heard with the writing i'll take any help i can get yeah uh but yeah sometimes people

00:36:29.840 will you know throw in a few notes you're like okay let's calm down now my mom's very good about

00:36:37.540 uh she'll keep it real with like oh that's not my favorite story but but when she loves something

00:36:45.440 she really loves it so then i know i'm on to something nice nice balance yeah that's take

00:36:50.840 what do you know grace cool and schmidt no but what a fun last night i know how cool and schmidt

00:36:56.100 cool and schmidt isn't that funny yeah she's a she's a stand-up too and she um she's really funny

00:37:01.040 i might know her face some but how could i forget that name though yeah yeah she uh she told me that

00:37:07.180 her grandma watched her stuff once and was like i just don't get it like you're not really marketing

00:37:13.420 towards like 50 and up oh god and she was like yeah believe it or not that's not my target

00:37:18.140 she's like i don't want them to come to my show they probably won't like what i'm talking about

00:37:23.780 yeah and she's and she's gay too so she's like yeah believe it or not um over a certain age like

00:37:28.120 they're not really looking at me that's funny yeah so i get i get it though yeah i would be like

00:37:33.320 but you know it's like i'm not i'm not marketing to like 20 year olds you know like what

00:37:39.040 how are they gonna relate to me you kind of know where your lane is that's too that is very true

00:37:45.060 that's why i love to ask especially female comics i love to ask if they've ever gotten

00:37:48.620 yeah from people in the crowd oh you're always gonna get notes i mean that's just that's just

00:37:54.120 part of it you're also gonna just get comments in general yeah whether you want them or not

00:37:59.140 they're coming yeah i try not to pay too much attention to it i'm just sort of always doing my thing

00:38:05.140 um and you know what that's why you're doing so fucking well because you're not listening to

00:38:08.520 some bullshit ass notes yes i'll listen i'll listen to the comics in my life that i you know

00:38:13.740 same back and yeah i welcome their notes and want and want the feedback yeah but from a random i'm good

00:38:20.940 it's okay one of us is getting paid to do it so it's i think i have a pretty good idea you tell

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00:39:01.180 i did a set recently um like semi recently and i again like when i did this set like i was put on

00:39:09.660 the car like on the lineup like so like nothing about that is me asking for notes right but this

00:39:15.600 like i did get notes like my team met with like the people that booked me yeah and they were like

00:39:21.120 oh like we did have some notes like on the set which i thought was shocking wait the people that

00:39:26.360 booked you had notes oh that's odd and it's because that's not the norm right and it's because

00:39:31.360 it was uh brand sponsored so these at first my team was confused because they were like

00:39:36.980 you guys have notes or they had notes like we don't want you to talk about say this kind of thing

00:39:42.580 yes it might look bad for the brand but not even it wasn't even for that because i didn't say anything

00:39:46.520 bad about the brand in fact i amplified the brand very much so because it was like uh it was something

00:39:51.940 that i knew was important so i didn't say anything bad about the brand didn't talk bad on it nothing

00:39:55.560 yeah um their note for me was that i was too mean to men and that could be isolating so interesting

00:40:02.580 and i was supposed to be on another show and i was like yeah i'm not going to that shit like you guys

00:40:06.700 are hold on you're you're telling me you're not allowed to talk about that but that is interesting

00:40:11.500 and i remember i text caleb and he said giving a comic notes on to just be nicer in the set is

00:40:17.840 probably one of the funniest things i've ever fucking heard well just that you were being too

00:40:21.720 mean about men it's hilarious and i barely touched them if i'm being honest i was fighting with one

00:40:27.980 hand tied behind my back because i knew so some man gave you that yes and they like he was like i

00:40:33.780 don't know i just felt like she was alienating me mind you he's like a 50 year old man i'm like

00:40:37.780 yeah believe it or not bitch you're not my target audience that's not not the target yeah the jokes i

00:40:42.260 was telling in the laughter you were hearing was for everybody else in the room and i killed too

00:40:46.980 yeah if i may say so myself say it say it girl you have two eyes and two ears you heard what you

00:40:52.160 heard i will say in the beginning like a joke sometimes i use is like is there anyone here

00:40:58.940 that was like a plus one and has no idea who the fuck i am like that's sometimes something i i'd start

00:41:04.860 out with yeah and then there's always and especially if there's men in the room i know they're gonna raise

00:41:10.020 their hand because they want attention right and they like to claim this spot of like i don't know who

00:41:14.940 you are yeah and then i go okay well i hope you enjoy the show i did this all tour too i was like

00:41:19.100 i hope you enjoy the show hope you have fun and if you don't i have your money already so it really

00:41:24.720 doesn't matter either way i don't care if you have a good time and i just kind of get into it yeah

00:41:29.200 um and that's what feminism means to me exactly that's called making the patriarchy work for you

00:41:35.920 okay i do have some fun facts about you oh okay if you'd like to get into it yeah okay right here we

00:41:41.640 have in high school it says you were a debutante and you went to etiquette training to prepare oh

00:41:47.340 my god when i see you i think you think a pretty little lady a southern delicate flower yeah that's

00:41:55.660 not my most proud time of my life uh my mom made me i wasn't even gonna ever talk about it but when i

00:42:01.440 was doing my uh first special sweet and salty my producer was a friend is a friend of mine she's

00:42:08.080 like you gotta talk about this like is it so crazy and it's so not you that like it's a funny like

00:42:14.080 tidbit about you and it was something that my mom made me do really um because she had been one

00:42:21.220 she had been a debutante but by the time i was coming around we were broke like no money and it costs

00:42:29.200 money to do these parties and have all this stuff so like you know i'd come home and the couch would

00:42:33.880 be missing you know i'd much rather have a couch than go to this dumbass party but she was so i

00:42:42.400 think trying to kind of reclaim those days totally you know and i'm like we're not that's not us like

00:42:48.280 my dad grew up in a trailer like those days are long gone you you did not marry well i don't know

00:42:55.120 to tell you you did not marry a guy that was gonna keep your status in uh the debutante world

00:43:03.240 right but she yeah so i did this i did this thing and i had to learn like manners and stuff and how

00:43:09.240 how was it wipe my mouth and oh like which fork to you yeah all that stuff i mean it was fine but i

00:43:15.880 you know so not me and uh so it was the summer between high school and college that i had to do

00:43:23.720 it oh nice the most humiliating age i know and going to these tea parties but a good friend of mine

00:43:31.360 was in it too and that kind of made it a little less terrible i feel it speaking of brother uh brother

00:43:39.340 wives yeah um i they you have a there's a ball like yeah you're coming out to society so i came

00:43:46.300 out twice and um they have usually are presented by like your dad but my my mom's like your father's

00:43:53.600 not doing this and uh some of my brothers did it so there's a picture of me in a white wedding gown

00:43:59.800 with my brother in a tux and it looks like i'm marrying my brother i knew it i knew you guys

00:44:05.160 i knew it i was onto it i knew it they were mad because i was right and now it's time for a new

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00:45:13.780 save the every day uh it says that you played college soccer college tennis and you graduated summa

00:45:19.480 cum laude so did i get it look at us look at that girls uh how did you find comfort in the chaos of

00:45:27.200 college life i love college me too i loved college i had a blast i went to a women's college not i didn't

00:45:33.880 know i was gay um which was a no you just really wanted to be around only women i know it was a real

00:45:38.920 missed opportunity um but i'd always been like an overachiever totally i loved it in high school too

00:45:44.720 like same college all the things i like went to class all the time i never skipped i was like

00:45:50.040 student body president i just loved it so i found great comfort in the chaos i loved being busy

00:45:55.900 loved being social loved the dorms chatted with everybody they thought i didn't study because i

00:46:02.900 was constantly chatting but i would go in my room at like 11 and study for a couple hours and then sleep

00:46:09.060 you and caleb have a lot in common yeah that too i made fun of him when he was on my show last time

00:46:14.180 i made fun of him because i said i knew he was in a frat like he joined a frat that's so funny and i

00:46:18.440 i made i was like what are you doing that's philanthropic and then i was like i'm kidding

00:46:21.720 i know you did a lot of philanthropy in college because you student body president too yeah and

00:46:25.320 he was like yeah i was gonna say you're about to feel real bad when i tell you all the stuff

00:46:28.040 yeah that's because you're a big chatter right i think that's a southern thing you love a good chat

00:46:32.740 too i love a chat yeah but i can also be very quiet as well i have both sides i'm a little bit

00:46:38.360 more introverted than one might assume but that's just where i regroup yeah and then i go out

00:46:44.080 and chat i get that when i'm talking a lot or performing a ton afterwards sometimes i go sit

00:46:50.320 somewhere by myself yeah i just stare you just gotta be alone for a little bit yeah and i just

00:46:53.640 i'm like i need to shut the fuck up for a second yeah because i talk a lot you talk a lot sometimes

00:46:59.380 i'm like i don't want to hear one more story out of my mouth and i'm going to go sit in a corner

00:47:04.560 and yeah stare sit on a bench yeah i'm just gonna sit and be like i'm gonna say a word

00:47:09.580 i'm gonna stare right into the camera that's what i would do no wonder we're looking into

00:47:13.120 the camera so that's right that's disassociating uh this next one says that you realized you were

00:47:18.940 gay when you were 25 while watching a lifetime movie yeah that's right which lifetime movie was

00:47:23.880 it the truth about jane i don't know if you've ever heard of it it's uh it's stalker channing who

00:47:30.640 plays rizzo in greece okay uh was the mom and her like 16 year old daughter realizes she's gay

00:47:37.320 and has a mentor at school a teacher who's gay um and as i described it uh the the 16 year old

00:47:45.560 comes out to her mom and her mom's like boo and then by the end of the movie she's like yay

00:47:50.360 and i was like and that's the movie um but i had had you know it was weird it was i i talk about how

00:47:58.500 it was just different times when i was 25 it was like youtube was just starting and yeah there was

00:48:04.060 no will and grace or maybe it just come out um the l word had just come out like but when i was

00:48:12.240 growing up there was none of that stuff you know none of that uh representation so i never like saw

00:48:18.780 myself in anything and and i just grew up in a very small town that i did not know one gay person

00:48:24.980 i did not see a gay person hold hands till i was in college yeah um so i was just very naive

00:48:32.060 to that world and knowing what that was in myself uh and so when i moved to la it was starting to

00:48:39.160 bubble up i was starting to feel the thing and that you're kind of like fighting like this cannot

00:48:43.520 be i have to i haven't found the right man which is insane and every time you say you gag a little

00:48:49.420 yeah like now it seems like crazy that that was even a possibility right um and then i was

00:48:56.400 watching that movie and just something about seeing this person who's young being brave enough to like

00:49:03.220 come out made me go at the end of the movie i was like oh my god i'm i'm gay and i said it out loud

00:49:09.280 for the first time and it was what kind of cemented it for me of like oh this is real yeah and so my

00:49:16.540 joke was you know they say that uh having gay people in movies will make people gay and they're

00:49:23.120 right and in my case you are correct you're right okay one out of a million this in this particular

00:49:31.680 case you are right yep i think that's a beautiful thing though like representation like that i think

00:49:36.900 is so yeah you need it because you know if especially if you grew up in a small town my my town was

00:49:42.080 12 000 people yeah um if you don't know people like you or see people like you like you know

00:49:49.100 something's different yeah you know in that uh you don't know what it is just feels like something's

00:49:57.120 off yeah and when you're young and you're gay and you don't know it you just know that boys don't look

00:50:02.880 at you a certain way you don't have the rapport with them in a certain way so you just feel like you

00:50:09.700 don't quite fit in like why and it and it can't help but chip away at your self-esteem to an extent

00:50:16.380 like why am i not the object of this person's affection right and you don't know that well

00:50:21.840 the reason is because you know you're meant to you're not you just have no idea yeah you just don't

00:50:26.760 know so you just think something's wrong with you um so that when you see that in front of your face

00:50:33.640 and it that light bulb goes off you go oh my god yeah that was the missing puzzle piece all along

00:50:40.320 i wasn't it wasn't that i was undesirable or i was this or that or it wasn't it just i didn't know

00:50:45.980 yeah absolutely and now it seems you know thankfully there's a lot more representation

00:50:50.680 it's talked about a lot more yeah you see it a lot more yeah it's not quite as hidden um but but

00:50:58.220 still matters for sure absolutely and that's why i think you're even though writing is the bane of

00:51:03.200 your existence in a lot of ways i also think it's a beautiful thing that you write so much because

00:51:07.640 it like that kind of writing is so important like writing characters like that based in real life

00:51:12.580 and not always centered in trauma and of some kind i think it's a beautiful thing well thank you i think

00:51:17.160 that's why you just keep selling them over and over again you're trying to the computer i'm just

00:51:21.820 telling my story you know i love it i'm just trying to yeah that's kind of i know what to do is tell

00:51:27.320 my story and my how i see the world and if it helps people in any way yeah i'm that's like the

00:51:33.500 cherry on top i think that's why it's working so well for you the universe is working with you and

00:51:38.380 for you thank you universe that important thank you of course okay we have more fun facts uh this one

00:51:45.420 says you got your comedy start taking improv classes at ground lanes in la after moving here from your

00:51:50.700 hometown oh it says when you were 23 you got a job as an entertainment journalist interviewing people

00:51:55.680 on red carpets and it turned into a full-time job for seven years yeah was that with chelsea too or

00:51:59.760 no that was right before chelsea okay so that was during there was like an eight-year period where i

00:52:04.600 was trying to make it in comedy and so my day job was being a journalist okay which was really cool

00:52:11.780 like to you know that to that have sorry we can't talk to have that be my day job yeah it was like

00:52:20.140 awesome because it was like adjacent to the business i got to learning a different side of it too yeah i got to go on

00:52:25.400 all these red carpets and i interviewed all these people i really admired all like all these you

00:52:30.580 know huge movie stars and tv stars and yeah i went to like the grammys and the oscars and the emmys i

00:52:36.900 went to movie premieres and i was you know started when i was 23 and did that until i was 30 um and that's

00:52:43.440 what kept my bills paid and then at night i did comedy um so i love it you have been working your ass off

00:52:50.380 oh yeah so yeah if i had wanted to be a journalist as a career i would have i've made it yeah like

00:52:56.100 totally it did not get better than that in that world uh and i i worked for some amazing people

00:53:01.820 that knew i wanted to be a comic because sometimes you're working at one job and they don't like that

00:53:06.620 you have another goal yeah totally uh but they were so like supportive and like i bet it only enhanced

00:53:13.140 your skill as an interviewer yeah i mean because i do carpets now too all the time i'd love to know

00:53:17.640 your experience like how is that how did you like interviewing people well we were in the we were

00:53:21.500 in the beginning stages of the internet having all the entertainment news on it right and so

00:53:26.820 you would see all these people ham it up for the cameras yeah and then come to me and be like what's

00:53:32.480 up what's going on because it was like print journalism right so it's different but i we were like we

00:53:37.440 actually reach a lot more people than this hell yeah whatever you know random cable on cable yeah

00:53:43.340 and uh but like once people started talking to me and he heard my accent they kind of like dropped

00:53:50.400 the pretenses and just had like a real conversation with me totally so that's some really lovely

00:53:55.080 conversations with actors and stuff and and i talked to a lot of people on the phone for like 30

00:54:00.600 minutes and what happens i'm like just really interesting talks right um people that i've it's

00:54:06.800 funny i've since run into publicists or people photographers from the red carpet they'll see me

00:54:13.200 now on the other side and it's such a trip right bet it's also they are this it's the same people like

00:54:18.760 working especially during the award season circuit like you see the same people every time and they

00:54:25.000 are so drama rama oh really like in press boxes you know like in those press uh like areas and stuff

00:54:33.180 like because everybody knows each other so it's almost like it feels to me like uh like if we

00:54:39.040 were all at camp together and this is like our mess hall and then we all come here and everyone's

00:54:43.040 talking about each other yeah i just like sometimes i just be listening sometimes the girls fight

00:54:47.240 at those things oh that's funny yeah when i was doing the red carpets the it was entering into

00:54:52.960 that phase of the paparazzi was becoming a big thing yeah uh star magazine was a big thing and

00:55:00.320 like when they were like stalking celebrities like tabloids weird that was a weird thing and i

00:55:04.800 would overhear them talking about all the lengths they were going to to like spy on them i was like

00:55:09.820 y'all are crazy weird that was like those were like the lindsey lohan britney spears that era

00:55:16.400 paris hilton era where they were you'd see them all over town following them everywhere like it was

00:55:22.220 like like a caravan almost yeah it was wild i you would just see this train of people just like

00:55:27.860 you're like what is going on it'd be like lindsey lohan going to the ivy or something

00:55:31.700 it's a weird time it was weird la back then was there yeah it was different there was just like

00:55:37.860 celebrities everywhere and cameras everywhere very weird i think that's so cool that you were um

00:55:44.580 on the carpets for so long too because i've been doing carpet stuff for a minute now like i'm i'm

00:55:49.820 really kicking it into overdrive lately and i love doing carpet stuff yeah they could care less if

00:55:55.220 i'm there though like i sometimes people are like oh my god you got to go to the oscars i'm like

00:55:59.380 yeah they also told me they'll shoot me dead if i step outside the shrub so like there's you know

00:56:03.220 there's when i get there i'm the help like when i get there they're like valley some cars while you're

00:56:07.060 here yeah it's so useful it's a weird thing it's like cool you're like adjacent to it but right and

00:56:11.860 it's like you're also there and that's cool but yeah it's it was a trip i interviewed like anna nicole

00:56:18.660 smith and like oh that's crazy julie andrews yeah i mean all the way from you know tom hayes

00:56:25.140 is like yeah all the all these neat people um that i just i'm actually i because in my in that

00:56:32.020 special sweet and salty i mentioned i talked about how uh when i first started the red carpets

00:56:37.140 i wanted to look more la so i went to forever 21 and uh bought a velour uh tracksuit with a pink

00:56:44.980 cupcake on the back and everyone thought i was kidding i was like no no i bought a velour tracksuit

00:56:50.260 you know and that said red carpet yeah to me i thought this is very la red carpet and you know

00:56:55.460 the these clothes dissolved in the sun after like five days they're like twenty dollars and dissolved in

00:57:01.380 the sun and everyone was like ha ha hilarious and um there's a documentary about serene mckellen and i'm

00:57:09.380 in i was at the lord of the rings premiere and you can see me with my pink your knock off track suit

00:57:15.860 yeah i have a pink cupcake interviewing serene mckellen i took a screen grab i'm like i told you

00:57:25.140 at the lord of the rings for me yes so that you're just like i need to make a statement

00:57:30.580 i'm interviewing serene mckellen in a blue velour tracksuit with a pink cupcake on the back

00:57:35.700 like not okay i would love that though i mean god i i just was really trying to be the my best la

00:57:44.580 and pull focus at any point and i did because i'm sure they were like what is that i i sometimes i'm

00:57:53.060 sure you got this question a lot too like i'll get questions about celebrities like how are they like

00:57:57.540 yeah are they cool and i'm like most of them are kind of weird but like they're normal they're very nice

00:58:01.700 yeah for the most part i i honestly have had way more positive ones than negative ones and negative

00:58:07.220 ones i've had they weren't talking to me like it was just i saw something so i was like oh that's

00:58:11.300 kind of weird yeah but thankfully i haven't really had any terribly negative ones like it was like

00:58:16.580 generally nice but i think too and you're i feel like this is the same kind of energy you have too

00:58:21.620 where it's like i've told people if you just talk to them like they're normal most oftentimes

00:58:26.100 they'll be awesome because especially when they're that famous like they've been they've

00:58:30.740 been so not normal for so long like nobody treats them normal that's not their like immediate family

00:58:36.340 like it's true they live in this weird bubble where like everybody like is so careful and weird around

00:58:42.900 them and awkward so i feel like when you're just kind of like normal to them they open up a little bit

00:58:47.780 more yeah i mean that's kind of how i've always been like when i was a journalist i just was like hey

00:58:52.260 what's up let's chat and that's what i'm like now on set when i yeah i've gotten to film with some

00:58:58.100 really cool people and but i don't go in too hot you know yeah i'm like i'm gonna let them come to

00:59:03.300 me or or i'll just like give people their space and i'll just be like hey how's it going this is

00:59:09.140 so cool yeah absolutely i feel like it's it's a very you're a big energy reader too like a vibe reader

00:59:15.780 that's the cancer in me and i'm a cancer moon there you go so there you go yeah i just feel i feel

00:59:21.700 people's thing you know and so if i can pick up pretty quick if if i'm like oh this person does

00:59:28.740 not want to be bothered i don't bother them you know or if they're in a weird mood or whatever

00:59:33.940 right and eventually the you know if you're especially if you're working on set with this

00:59:38.180 person at some point they'll come around and be like what's your deal you know so you gotta you do

00:59:43.540 just like let them come to you uh but then you can tell if someone's energy is open totally and

00:59:49.780 yeah i just kind of read the i think i read the room well same and i and it's funny because i've

00:59:54.100 told people like when they whenever they're like oh they should all everyone should be journalists

00:59:57.780 mind you i uh like on carpets mind you i went to college for journalism so i do actually have a

01:00:03.300 journalism and i was a journalist for a long time so yeah i learned how to shoot edit right all that

01:00:07.860 stuff so like i actually do have the credentials i did not so my point being now that i do this as

01:00:14.180 like an influencer right there is that debate that's like it shouldn't be influencers it should

01:00:18.740 be journalists to which i say like i don't think the badge matters nearly as much i think it's the

01:00:24.660 ability to read a room yeah it's far more useful like the ability to talk to someone and have a

01:00:29.540 conversation and i feel like and i and sometimes i've joked i've been like i've seen how women on the

01:00:35.060 internet treat me in real life and i'm a again i'm a clown for hire there's no way you'd be able to

01:00:41.300 talk to timothy chalamet normal right i've seen how you treat me you guys treat me weird and he's

01:00:45.860 way more famous than me like that's where i'm like i think like the ability to relate and be normal

01:00:51.540 and cool and read a room it's very important right because i think sometimes too when you try to force

01:00:56.580 silliness on people that do not want to be oh yeah you can tell when they don't want that

01:01:02.180 immediately i pick it i'm like perfect no fun got it in the back we're gonna keep it straight

01:01:07.220 now yeah and i i did the white lotus premiere this year and uh parker posey is obviously a huge

01:01:13.860 person in in the white lotus this season and she was killer and uh they told me a ton they were like

01:01:19.780 you know she doesn't um love interviews anymore like oh really yeah because i she's just been doing

01:01:25.620 it forever i'm sure she's just sick of it and like the premiere was the last stop on their press

01:01:29.540 store so they were like basically telling me like don't hold your breath like if she doesn't

01:01:33.140 want to talk i'm like yeah all right i'm not gonna force it and i told them i was like i'll save

01:01:37.620 everybody the headache i really don't force it if they're not feeling it for sure i promise i won't

01:01:42.340 and they were like okay so she came and uh she she agreed to talk to me for a little uh and so i was

01:01:48.020 talking around and i asked her like a real standard question how do you feel being here whatever kind

01:01:52.020 of warm her up yeah and then she was being so like she's so witchy i just sensed it about her i was

01:01:57.620 like she i feel like she loves astrology i feel like she looks like yeah that was kind of her energy

01:02:02.580 and then i said what's your sign when she said something she goes there you go you got her

01:02:07.780 i'm a scorpio could you tell and oh she's a scorpio yeah that makes things a little bit

01:02:13.300 right like it makes more sense right and so when she was she's kind of protective yeah yeah and then

01:02:18.420 so when i said that she was what are you and then we just kept talking she talks so like pageantry like

01:02:23.460 the way she talks yeah it's very like old hollywood right and so then uh she talked to me for a minute

01:02:28.020 and i was like it was so lovely to meet you she goes oh are we done we're done now more and they

01:02:32.260 were so like i can't believe she was so fun with you and i was like i read her vibe and i didn't

01:02:38.100 ask her too many silly things right whenever like i was like older people don't like to be

01:02:42.100 asked to dig into that meaningful uh the stars the stars yeah yeah we wanted to align on the stars

01:02:49.220 okay i have another fun fact for you uh it says one of your first credited roles was janitor in the

01:02:55.220 movie the secret lives of dorks oh my god yeah that was like i that was the very first acting

01:03:01.220 role i ever did and it was like i was when i was on chelsea lately nice someone saw me on chelsea

01:03:06.900 and just was doing like an indie comedy and they were like does she want to play a janitor and at

01:03:12.660 that point i just wanted the experience so i was like sure yeah but yeah it was that was my first taste

01:03:18.980 of anything i mean when i first auditioned i want to say i auditioned for something like uh

01:03:24.980 i don't remember what it was early on and i did my audition looking right into the camera

01:03:30.820 and the lady had to stop me she goes um don't look in the camera look at me and i was like uh-huh

01:03:35.940 okay and then and then at the end she goes all right um now let's slate and i go

01:03:40.180 what what is that she's like you just say her name and yeah i know what it is but do you know

01:03:48.020 so i had no clue so i mean you know i always say they they have these acting classes people there

01:03:54.180 should be a class of practical things like here's how to audition don't look here's what this means

01:04:00.020 and like when you're on because i had a friend who's a big stand-up who had a for an acting role

01:04:04.260 for the first time and i knew she wasn't going to know a lot of the lingo so i called her and i was

01:04:09.940 like this is what you know this is like hitting your mark this is finding your light this is you

01:04:14.580 know this is what this means and when the ad you know that you just need a class of like hear all

01:04:20.020 the things right i think that would be more as much as a help as yeah the verbiage exactly yeah

01:04:27.060 and they do talk in shorthand yeah yeah you know what's funny is um when i did last year i i was in

01:04:33.300 an nba commercial uh-huh for reasons i still don't understand they asked me to come i said i love it

01:04:38.900 yeah i'd love to be there you're like i'm six feet that's when you owned it that's where my

01:04:44.020 that's where it was working in my favor exactly and um in one of my scenes or the only scene actually i

01:04:50.500 had was uh with kelly roland uh-huh which is nuts hell yeah and uh so yeah so she she was so nice and

01:04:58.500 so professional but i remember like they told me what i was gonna do like my line was follow me kelly

01:05:04.260 that was my my one line i think i killed it but they wanted me to like close a laptop and like

01:05:10.180 in earnest and be like let's go kind of vibe so i was like okay uh-huh so when i was practicing it

01:05:16.260 was one of those things where it's so simple and it's one line that i felt like i was overthinking

01:05:20.740 it a little bit and then for some reason like for like two takes in a row i looked at the camera twice

01:05:26.340 like ah and but i do that now yeah but in a way where i was like and then the director would be

01:05:32.420 like cut don't look at the camera and i'm like oh my god i'm so sorry sorry about that like sorry

01:05:36.340 and then every time it came around i'd be like well it's so hard because it just naturally you're just

01:05:41.460 like sort of drawn to it i mean even in this latest food bar i i i'll be at you know talking to someone

01:05:48.500 and i'll be like oh my god i just stared down the barrel of the camera i'm so sorry then they're

01:05:54.820 like well don't end the scene but keep going right i know you're like sorry about that guys looking

01:06:00.260 right at the camera like just keep going i agree with you though on verbiage yeah they should you

01:06:05.620 should make like a glossary yeah because like when you're starting out and you want to know how to

01:06:10.580 audition what to do yeah right very intimidating and i feel like even with uh especially when you're on

01:06:17.380 the set like in the the heat of it and everyone's watching and then when everyone gets quiet yeah

01:06:22.500 because i remember too when i first started doing this um i was almost exclusively just like online

01:06:27.380 people influencers right and um sometimes like at the beginning we would be everyone would have to

01:06:33.700 be super super quiet because we were trying to do obviously it's a podcast yeah but then after a

01:06:37.860 while i was like i don't mind if you can hear laughter i think that makes it more fun yeah and caleb

01:06:41.620 shows like that too which i was like i think it adds to the ambiance of it i think that's fun but before

01:06:46.020 uh there would be no laughing at all like no noise and i would have to tell like comedy creators or

01:06:51.380 comics or whatever like i would say like it's gonna feel like none of your jokes are hitting because

01:06:56.020 no one's gonna laugh right but just keep your eyes on me i'll laugh the whole time like no matter what

01:07:00.420 i'll laugh honestly and earnestly and they're like okay because and then it would kind of make them

01:07:04.900 nervous because oh really because it's so quiet and they're not used to like you know sets like that

01:07:09.620 where everyone has to be quiet and do it but i'm like you like i had a meeting uh with like tv movie people

01:07:15.620 whatever last week and they were like oh do you have any like preferences in terms of like where

01:07:21.140 you're leaning towards comedy drama whatever romance and i go my energy right now is who want me

01:07:27.220 who want me that's kind of my energy which one do you want me yeah what do you need there you go

01:07:32.180 i don't care you have to be open to different opportunities oh absolutely i've done a lot of

01:07:36.580 stuff over the years for free and a lot of you know like yeah you just you do you do the thing and

01:07:42.820 i and a lot of people get very short-sighted about that right i mean like now i don't have to

01:07:48.420 do that as much thankfully yes but i spent many years doing it i get that and my friends who wouldn't

01:07:54.660 i i would just say you know you don't know opportunity will come from that and like who will

01:07:59.540 you know who you'll meet or you have to be open to to just doing to working doing things it's not

01:08:06.020 about the money at first i agree and it's like the it defeats the purpose of art too yeah like the goal is

01:08:11.300 to be famous and make money yeah so it's like for years i just said yes and you're so me until i

01:08:16.980 could finally say no that's nice now i say no a lot but but i said yes for many many years yeah and i

01:08:25.620 and i'm so with you because i i really do believe like i i have a very long-term vision for like so

01:08:32.500 i do a lot of things i've done a lot of carpet stuff for free like yeah because i knew it would be

01:08:36.820 a really good look for me but just to kind of wrap us right i would love to know if you have any

01:08:42.660 like advice for like upcoming artists i can't even just call you a stand-up or an actor because you're

01:08:47.540 a jack of all trades but if you have any advice for any upcoming artists maybe want to get into the

01:08:52.420 industry um i mean i guess it it would depend on what field yeah if it's a stand-up uh i well i would

01:09:00.420 recommend improv classes to anyone actually it doesn't matter i love that though it doesn't

01:09:04.340 matter if you're whatever even i when i started it was i had like a lawyer in there a secretary like

01:09:12.260 that's fun though tax uh one of those cpa yeah i was like one of those things called um because

01:09:17.460 people just want to be more comfortable talking totally uh so in if you're an actor or stand-up i i

01:09:24.820 would do some improv to just get out of your own way to get the ego out of it and be silly you know

01:09:32.100 uh so i always recommend that groundlings is a great place because it's very silly but also ucb

01:09:37.700 um if you're a stand-up you there's no path other than you just have to do it like you can't wait you

01:09:44.740 just have to get on stage you have to write and you won't know if you're good until you try it and

01:09:50.580 then once you start it if you like it yeah uh it just requires you doing it a lot yeah um tons of

01:09:57.700 reps yeah i'm only uh as comfortable as i am because i've done it a bazillion times yeah um so and and

01:10:06.340 stand-up is one of those um mediums where there's it's a great equalizer like the biggest comics still

01:10:13.380 have to go back to the club that's you know jerry seinfeld's a billionaire and he's

01:10:17.380 probably at a comedy club tonight in new york um kevin hart has to go to the comedy club like you

01:10:24.100 have to work material out and they workshop new sets and stuff all the time yeah that's such a

01:10:28.980 good point yes so if they can go to the comedy club so can you can uh so you just have to remember

01:10:35.780 that it just stand-ups just gonna require more of an every day or every week effort than like acting

01:10:41.940 acting your fate is in more of the hands of other people that's that's why i do like stand-up is

01:10:48.660 because when things were happening for me stand-up is what got my career going totally i was so tired

01:10:54.980 of waiting around for someone to be like you can do this yeah you can be in my project where a stand-up

01:11:01.540 go get a spot tonight you know yeah absolutely um so keep that in mind uh if you're wanting to be a

01:11:07.620 performer um and if you're wanted to be in acting yeah classes and yeah like you said the networking

01:11:16.420 is so important meeting because in classes you'll meet people who are like oh i'm i'm gonna do this

01:11:21.140 short film do you want to be in it yeah and that stuff gets practice and all that practice and meeting

01:11:25.860 more people yeah it's basically you just have to do something yeah you know what i mean that's the

01:11:31.620 advice that is like you have to do something if you're paralyzed with fear waiting for someone to

01:11:38.260 pick you it will not happen that's so true uh i especially if you're not a straight cis yeah it's

01:11:46.180 just not gonna land in your lap no not at all so my all i can offer is that whatever that field is

01:11:53.460 you're wanting to do just do it yeah uh and obviously we live in a time where social media

01:11:59.060 is very popular it's a huge tool and that's a giant tool that you can start cultivating your

01:12:04.820 own fan base before you even step on stage you know there's a lot of people now who have a fan

01:12:11.460 base and who've never done stand-up they could go sell out a theater tomorrow that's just though

01:12:16.180 and that's good for them and i've seen a lot of them yeah and they love to post crowd work and also

01:12:20.820 and no other material but you know how does that work i don't know but people are people are buying the

01:12:25.540 tickets so uh so yeah there are different there there are lots of opportunities now to um do it

01:12:34.500 not necessarily get famous yeah but if you want to do it you can do it you can get a podcast mike

01:12:41.540 you can video yourself and put it on social media right whether or not people watch it or listen

01:12:47.140 no one can't control that right i i said once to someone because sometimes they'll ask me like oh how

01:12:52.100 do i start a podcast how do i start this how do i do that um i've told them like with podcasting

01:12:56.900 especially or any sort of long form and you want to be like funny or personality or whatever i've

01:13:03.140 told them don't even worry about equipment don't worry about lighting don't worry about cameras don't

01:13:06.100 worry about anything put your phone up yeah start it and talk for 45 minutes see if you can do it

01:13:12.100 yeah i know it's hard not many people can that's why it's very hard you'd find it like i because i think

01:13:17.460 sometimes when people think like oh i want to do pockets where i want to be at stand up or whatever

01:13:21.780 yeah i think a lot of times they think especially if you're talking podcasting they think like i want

01:13:26.100 to be the person who gets to sit and be asked questions yeah as opposed to someone who's driving

01:13:30.980 the right you know what i'm saying like someone has to drive the ship someone does yeah so i was like

01:13:34.980 just see if you can talk see if you can ramble i can talk for so long i could talk for 90 minutes

01:13:40.260 about sandwich that's what makes you be able to do this so well successfully

01:13:44.260 because you do you have to be able to talk you have to have you have to know your own skill set

01:13:48.660 right and also do people you just have to also be yourself i agree figuring out who you are i mean

01:13:55.380 that's a bigger life thing yeah but if you were essential to it if you know who you are that is a

01:14:00.420 big help too that's true because i tell comics all the time i'm like who you are on stage is not who

01:14:05.940 i'm talking to in life and then it's a big disconnect there and that means the audience knows something's

01:14:12.260 a miss yeah that's so true they're a lot smarter than sometimes i think people give them credit

01:14:16.740 for and so i'll see some of these comics that are so funny just like pretend to be something else

01:14:22.100 yeah i'm like no we're on to you we're on to you i know it because i know you but they're on to you

01:14:27.780 and and you can feel it too like that disconnect that you're talking about when you see someone get

01:14:31.540 up on stage and you're like oh that is like a caleb that is who he is chris fleming yeah you're like

01:14:37.220 that is who you are i can't be anybody and that resonates with people totally so i anytime you're

01:14:43.300 trying to be somebody else it's not it's just not going you might get to a certain place because you

01:14:49.220 learned a plus b equals c sure you learned the the formula but what's really going to resonate with

01:14:57.060 people is if you're sharing who you are and they and they grab on to it totally especially uh ripping

01:15:05.140 off other people's bits too like yeah what works for some people may not doesn't need to work for

01:15:10.740 you and probably shouldn't because everybody is so uniquely themselves i know some of my comic friends

01:15:15.140 too have told me that's been their one beef with social media and stand-up the world's kind of

01:15:19.700 colliding is feeling like uh it's easier to steal jokes right because people can record and stuff

01:15:24.580 and uh rip off material and like yeah the internet doesn't have the capacity to like source right so like

01:15:32.580 right so one person could tell a joke it doesn't do that well but then someone else could see it do

01:15:36.820 it on theirs and it takes off and then that person gets credit for the joke as opposed to the other

01:15:41.060 well and it's just there there's so many parallel thoughts too you you can tell a joke and you're

01:15:47.380 like oh so-and-so told that 40 years ago you're like what you know like like or or or the i the

01:15:53.540 similar idea a theme you're like well yeah many people are gonna have a sim you know i know what you

01:15:59.540 mean you know like oh playing around equipment is dangerous you know like that it's a theme

01:16:05.460 everyone's gonna yeah think but you're gonna have your own take on it i agree but it's like you can't

01:16:10.100 claim a theme um and so that's i agree something that people have to keep in mind as well but if

01:16:16.260 it's like a verbatim thing then yeah or it's like so specific to your life that you're like you took

01:16:21.460 that shit from me yeah like that's mine yeah like if someone said they came out watching a lifetime

01:16:25.300 movie and you're like wait don't watch my next stand-up special then i may have squirreled that

01:16:30.340 one away for me and they're like and it was the truth about jane you're like come on that couldn't

01:16:35.300 have happened to you you didn't even know that movie well thank you so much for coming on the

01:16:40.500 show i think you're so awesome oh you too this was a treat it was truly so awesome to get to know

01:16:46.180 you a little bit better i loved it and i really do think you are so talented and i can't wait to see

01:16:50.660 what you keep making oh like you're a jack of all trades for real that's what friends are for

01:17:00.100 thank you so much for coming on the show do you have anything that you'd like to promote at all

01:17:03.700 just that i'm on tour i'm uh going to i'm in the beginning of this tour so many many cities are

01:17:09.460 coming very cool my website has all that fortunefiends.com and love i have three specials

01:17:15.140 on netflix and food bar and all that stuff you can find me literally anywhere you find fortune

01:17:20.740 literally i'm on like 20 things on netflix that's true you're not even joking i'm not

01:17:25.940 joking i'm not joking one time this is so funny i'm so glad you said that because one time i was

01:17:30.900 scrolling through the little like uh recommended for you yeah i saw you in like four things yeah

01:17:35.140 i get around yeah you're real easy on netflix yeah well thank you so much for coming thank you

01:17:45.300 you're amazing and i'll cheer in for you all the time same here thank you're amazing and thank you

01:17:49.700 all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section don't forget new episodes drop

01:17:53.700 every wednesday you can stream them on all streaming platforms the audio but the video lists for free and

01:17:58.580 exclusively on our favorite platform spotify thank you so much to my amazing guest fortune

01:18:02.900 beamster please go check them out on literally everything and she's going on tour or you're

01:18:06.580 currently on tour so please go check her out she's hilarious and awesome and i'll see you all next week

01:18:11.140 bye

WHO WANT ME？ Ft. Fortune Feimster ｜ Episode 183

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