The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - WHO WANTS TO KISS ME？ Ft. Maya Hawke ｜ Episode 221

00:00:00.000 The first porn I ever experienced was a book that I found on a bookshelf.

00:00:05.200 It was like a translation of an old French literatica.

00:00:09.600 Okay.

00:00:10.200 And I was like, this is amazing.

00:00:12.200 And I like, yeah, I do that, but like, but I do it in like an elegant way.

00:00:16.700 You know, I, I do it in like a French literatica way.

00:00:19.400 Like I'm not like, I'm not cheesing.

00:00:20.800 I don't watch porn.

00:00:22.200 I read 16th century French literatica.

00:00:25.400 That's grown up.

00:00:26.400 Right. 1.00

00:00:26.800 That's lady life. 1.00

00:00:27.600 Right.

00:00:30.000 hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me your fave

00:00:39.780 everybody knows me who cares about me on to the guest today we have the living icon living legend

00:00:44.880 the one the only maya hawk that might be the best introduction i've ever gotten oh my god i'm so glad

00:00:53.200 to hear it that's one of my favorite compliments i get from gas i feel the i mean it's feels i feel

00:00:57.720 Well, you've taken my words away.

00:00:59.960 I love that. 1.00

00:01:00.600 I'm going to suck the fart right out of that ass. 1.00

00:01:02.340 It's going to be beautiful. 1.00

00:01:03.260 We're going to enjoy it together.

00:01:04.560 That's, you know, my dad always says, you smelling what I'm farting?

00:01:08.880 Your dad and I have that in common.

00:01:10.340 Yeah.

00:01:10.720 I'm a big fan.

00:01:11.360 But thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:01:13.140 Thank you.

00:01:13.540 I'm so happy to be here.

00:01:14.660 What an honor.

00:01:15.440 It's an honor to have you.

00:01:16.000 Honor's all mine.

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00:01:52.120 What's new with you?

00:01:53.100 Uh, uh, uh, I'm on tour.

00:01:55.660 Yes.

00:01:56.080 um that's pretty fun and new just came from san francisco now in la going to denver tonight so

00:02:03.220 that's feels new and good yeah what else is new with me music obviously is music is new but awesome

00:02:10.020 music is new thank you i appreciate it yes maya gave me the honor of listening to it early

00:02:14.900 oh very exciting yes you did that's pretty cool and it was amazing and i loved heavy rain i already

00:02:20.380 told her off camera but i need to say it on camera well i really that means so much to me it's my

00:02:24.480 favorite song on the record I'm so glad I had a lot of fun writing it and a lot of fun recording

00:02:29.840 it and just like you know some things are like very labor intensive and sometimes it just like

00:02:33.680 works yeah I'm sure with your episodes like sometimes you have to like spend a lot of time

00:02:37.840 editing yeah and sometimes you're like we could just print what ready to go yeah ready to go so

00:02:43.080 I love that so talking about music yeah I would love to know like your history with music like

00:02:49.820 if you've always wanted to be an artist like if you've ever wanted to be a specific kind of artist

00:02:53.860 like why is now the time really to like really bury yourself in music do you think well I've

00:02:59.720 always I mean this is my fourth album I've been doing it you know every record I've had a slightly

00:03:05.840 different like agenda and style with the way that I put it out and and the way I was thinking about

00:03:12.540 putting it out in the way and what I wanted it to do in the world like how I wanted it to move

00:03:17.320 through the world um I think it's been different every time because I am also an actor and I I'm

00:03:24.740 sort of figuring out how I want these two careers to work and because the two crafts work together

00:03:31.120 very beautifully yeah um but then in the the two careers you know the two industries it's it's

00:03:37.040 different and so I'm always kind of renegotiating different ways to try and think about it um but

00:03:42.180 I've been making music my whole life I never really wanted well that's not true at some points

00:03:47.480 I thought about wanting to be a musician like when my early early teens like 11 to 14 and then I was

00:03:54.200 kind of like no I'm not good enough at that I've been I'm very uh strength led as a person okay I'm

00:04:00.600 very like if it's working keep doing it do more of it if it doesn't work never mind I'm with you

00:04:05.200 I get that I get that kind of mentality which is like maybe like laziness but I um I don't know if

00:04:11.820 That's lazy, because you have lots of talents to work at.

00:04:15.100 Thank you.

00:04:16.540 But, so then I stopped doing music for a while,

00:04:18.560 and then I started again when I left school

00:04:21.200 and started working as an actor,

00:04:22.320 because I realized that the beautiful thing

00:04:24.260 about acting school is you get to act every day.

00:04:27.620 Yeah.

00:04:28.460 And the weird thing about acting as a job

00:04:29.800 is you're pretty lucky if you get two full days

00:04:32.060 of acting in your year.

00:04:33.100 Right, yeah.

00:04:34.020 Like real acting, you know?

00:04:35.340 And so, finding other ways to creatively fill up

00:04:40.060 your cup is very important and like I you know I make music and I watercolor and I write and I

00:04:47.220 do all these different things and some of them feel like there are times where it feels like

00:04:52.160 it's important to keep that sheltered and protected from it becoming your job because you know when

00:04:56.720 you like you have a dream you want to do something you work really hard to be able to do it and then

00:05:01.600 you are able to do it as your career if you're lucky and then all of a sudden the joy of it

00:05:06.560 of the dream gets sucked away and you have to figure out how to keep protecting it and

00:05:12.160 and reigniting it and so I always have to have like if I'm doing something is my job I have to

00:05:16.820 be doing something different creatively just as pleasure yeah always in a balance yeah absolutely

00:05:21.700 and so like you know like right now I'm on tour with music which is often my like pleasure

00:05:26.540 world so I'm like writing you know uh Sarah J Moss fan fiction you know what I mean like just

00:05:32.980 to like keep myself balanced to make sure I just always have some kind of creative expression that

00:05:38.420 isn't being commercialized yes um and so I don't know I especially as an artist yeah you need to

00:05:43.960 be re-inspired you need to be reset a little bit and like re-dorkified right like re re-innocentized

00:05:50.940 and inspire eyes yeah totally I also invent new words in case anyone was wondering a renaissance

00:05:56.920 woman yeah that's what you are thank you you can do it all triple threat yeah I was gonna ask if

00:06:01.200 I can't sing or dance, but I do invent words.

00:06:05.640 Yeah, there you go.

00:06:06.800 Can't sing, please, your trip, and I can't sing.

00:06:10.560 And if I could, God help everybody.

00:06:13.160 I mean, I think everyone can sing,

00:06:14.880 and I'm sure you can sing.

00:06:16.460 That's what everybody says, and I appreciate the sentiment.

00:06:19.260 I don't know, I guess I just like,

00:06:20.700 I feel like if it's not immediate,

00:06:22.660 I'm like, I don't have it.

00:06:23.840 So we're back to what I just said.

00:06:25.000 There you go.

00:06:25.840 I'm with you on that.

00:06:26.680 If it didn't come easy, then nevermind.

00:06:29.240 Well, and I'm also like, God, honestly, God help the world.

00:06:31.260 If I find out I can sing, I'm dropping an EP tomorrow.

00:06:35.000 I mean, I'm going on tour.

00:06:36.720 It would be explosive.

00:06:37.620 Yeah, I would have to get in the lab.

00:06:39.720 I think you would be headlighting Coachella in like six months.

00:06:41.600 I'd have to.

00:06:42.300 Honestly, I took up DJing as a side hobby because I was like, that music industry is going to let me in one way or another.

00:06:48.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:48.840 This is the way I'm going to get in. 0.89

00:06:49.760 A bunch of white guys can do it. 0.80

00:06:50.700 I could easily do it. 0.83

00:06:51.400 Oh, totally.

00:06:51.920 That was my thought.

00:06:52.580 And then I was like, just give me about eight months.

00:06:55.040 I'll be at the Doe Lab in Coachella.

00:06:56.580 Yeah, you absolutely will.

00:06:57.580 I have no doubt about it.

00:07:00.120 So back to acting and singing.

00:07:02.420 I would love to know, how does the preparation feel?

00:07:04.980 Does it feel the same?

00:07:05.920 Does it feel as intensive?

00:07:07.300 Does it just kind of depend on how you're feeling at the time?

00:07:10.220 I've been comparing a lot because I did my first professional play this past year.

00:07:14.140 Oh, very cool.

00:07:15.220 And now I'm on tour again for the first time in three years.

00:07:17.500 And I've been really thinking about the pre-show vibe as an actor versus a musician.

00:07:24.080 They're so different.

00:07:25.340 It's like backstage at the venue.

00:07:26.900 It's like everyone's cool and they're hanging out maybe having a beer and like chilling and chatting, you know

00:07:31.820 And backstage at the theater. Everyone's like

00:07:36.060 Yeah, he thrusts his fists against the post and still admits he sees the ghost

00:07:40.780 There's like such a everyone's locking in and there's like there's like a locked in like actors and musicians have such different vibes

00:07:47.420 Like actors are the most on-time people you've ever met in your life

00:07:50.900 Like maybe not movie stars, but actors. Yeah, or the most on-time people you've ever met your life

00:07:55.180 like like and even movie stars like when it comes to the work day right like most of them are like

00:08:00.060 dot you know your call time 605 you're there at 605 yeah for real because that's sort of the

00:08:05.140 attitude every minute wasted time on set is like two hundred thousand dollars right um so we're

00:08:11.220 not in the business of being minute wasters yeah for real and uh and versus musicians are like oh

00:08:16.360 yeah rehearsal started at noon I got there at 1 30 I was on time you know so there's a real

00:08:20.980 There's some cultural differences, but it's also very similar because it's really about like opening up your instrument, trying to give, make as much space as possible for inspiration to come in, try to like get as much stress and tension out of your body as possible so that you're loose and free and can be kind of like a vessel.

00:08:44.840 And so there's, I don't know, there's commonalities and there's differences.

00:08:48.560 Differences.

00:08:48.980 Which art form do you feel like mostly like yourself?

00:08:53.520 Is there any one?

00:08:54.660 I feel that art form wise,

00:08:58.140 they're like the same outlets

00:09:01.120 just with different lamps plugged into them.

00:09:03.100 And they illuminate the room differently

00:09:04.700 but they come from the same place.

00:09:06.420 I'm more comfortable in the film industry.

00:09:09.740 Right.

00:09:10.640 As like an industry, I think because I grew up in it.

00:09:13.120 Right.

00:09:13.960 It's intricacies and the different ways 0.98

00:09:16.520 in which it's fucked up and complicated. 0.90

00:09:18.360 You're more familiar with. 0.98

00:09:19.300 I'm like, I get it.

00:09:20.960 Yeah.

00:09:21.160 And the music industry I find very intimidating and confusing.

00:09:26.880 Would you say that's in an inspiring way or in an off-putting way?

00:09:30.660 I would not say in an inspiring way.

00:09:32.760 It's the off-putting way.

00:09:33.800 Well, I wouldn't say off-putting.

00:09:35.440 I would say intimidating.

00:09:36.500 Oh, I see.

00:09:37.060 I would say it's intimidating, and I think that there's a lot of...

00:09:40.560 When you're promoting a film, you're on a team.

00:09:44.440 Yeah.

00:09:44.660 And that team is the writer and the director and your co-star.

00:09:47.000 and you know everyone involved and you're all pointing at something you made together going

00:09:52.340 look at this yeah and when you're promoting a record it often feels like you are alone

00:09:57.480 pointing at yourself going look at this right and that's where I get uncomfortable yeah like

00:10:04.740 burying your soul kind of thing burying your soul and then telling people to look at it yeah it's

00:10:10.860 like drawing my soul I'm comfortable and I want people to look at me but bear my soul right right

00:10:16.260 Like I'm obviously an exhibitionist and I like,

00:10:19.320 but I like wanna be like,

00:10:21.000 I'm gonna have a surprise show

00:10:23.100 where I show up on a street corner

00:10:24.580 and I just start singing and then,

00:10:25.800 and everyone's gonna, and I want people to be there.

00:10:28.480 And I'd be sad if they didn't come,

00:10:31.480 but I wouldn't want to make an announcement

00:10:33.660 saying that I was going to be there and I hope they came.

00:10:36.240 You know what I mean?

00:10:37.080 Like it's like, that is like my cognitive dissonance

00:10:40.560 of like, I can't figure out how to crack this puzzle.

00:10:43.440 No, totally.

00:10:44.800 Where do you, like, feel your creative process typically lies?

00:10:49.600 Does it kind of change when you're, like, songwriting,

00:10:51.520 when you're creating melodies, anything like that?

00:10:53.580 Like, does it feel very specific, your process?

00:10:56.320 Does it kind of free flow?

00:10:57.880 It's mostly free flowing, but, like, there are some consistent themes.

00:11:01.420 Like, usually I often do a lot of my most musical writing

00:11:06.520 when I'm doing something else.

00:11:08.220 Interesting.

00:11:08.580 Like, I get really inspired.

00:11:10.100 That's cool.

00:11:10.900 Like, I'm on a film set or on, like, that's kind of where I feel

00:11:13.480 and my brain starts like turning on you know like we have like kind of on brain and off brain mode

00:11:19.060 and like sometimes I'm in off brain and I'm just like all I can think about is the book that I am

00:11:23.280 reading and what I had for breakfast and that I love you and and then my pillow is soft and I

00:11:29.420 should wash it you know like that's like I have that mode and then when I'm like okay it's work

00:11:33.320 time and I've got my god like that's when my brain's kind of like oh idea idea idea yeah um

00:11:37.380 and do you jot down your ideas like as soon as you have them yeah and like sometimes it's like

00:11:41.700 voicemails and sometimes it's in my notes and yeah it used to be really in my notebook but to my

00:11:46.080 great disappointment in myself my notebook has kind of gotten switched into my notes app

00:11:50.920 yeah I feel that lately my notebooks I still carry them with me but I mostly sketch in them

00:11:55.540 yeah that's cool though yeah okay you can do me okay miss I can do everything I can't do everything

00:12:00.720 you can even sketch no I mean I can't really sketch I like I mean I painted the album cover

00:12:04.880 for this record which is incredible and amazing so I like I but I don't like I'm not like a

00:12:08.940 painter but i like painting you can just do everything like i said renaissance woman well

00:12:13.780 saying you can do everything is different than saying you do everything i very well made do

00:12:18.020 everything that doesn't mean i can do everything well you know what god only hit me with a funny

00:12:21.760 stick that's all he gave me well no he smacked me over that i give you beautiful he gave you kind

00:12:27.440 oh my gosh thank you and i like i'm sure if i got to know you better i would list more things

00:12:32.580 oh my gosh well we gotta spend more time together okay and now it's on camera so you can't cancel

00:12:36.440 on me that would be embarrassing for you plans confirmed okay there you go perfect notice there

00:12:40.800 was no specific date set no specific dates but it is on camera yeah but it is on camera yeah the

00:12:44.820 record yeah okay so I want to pivot really quick to reading because you you've mentioned reading

00:12:50.560 a few times yeah do you like what kind of books do you like to read I've been in a bit I okay well

00:12:55.480 reading has been a very complicated thing in my life my whole life because I was really dyslexic

00:12:59.540 I like went to different schools to try to figure out how to learn to read and then instead of it

00:13:05.120 becoming like a, you know, okay, I'm not good at this,

00:13:08.420 so I won't do it.

00:13:09.940 Words and language became so important to me

00:13:12.600 because it was difficult.

00:13:14.380 And I think, you know, someone smart at a school

00:13:17.480 I went to for kids with learning disabilities

00:13:19.500 described my learning disability as like,

00:13:23.160 most people have highways that go directly

00:13:26.780 from their seeing to their comprehension.

00:13:29.460 And like, I have like country roads

00:13:32.060 that stop off in lots of different areas.

00:13:35.180 That's a beautiful way to describe it.

00:13:36.440 Yeah, it has to go through your smell center

00:13:38.820 and your memory center

00:13:39.820 and before it gets to your comprehension center.

00:13:42.060 And I think that that makes me really love reading.

00:13:47.500 And it's hard and it takes a long time,

00:13:50.200 but I retain it really well and it becomes,

00:13:51.880 it's like watching a movie.

00:13:53.420 I mean, I think that everyone feels this way about reading,

00:13:55.440 but it's like watching a movie in your head.

00:13:58.180 I just pitched reading.

00:14:00.340 It's awesome.

00:14:01.740 But this year, I was kind of straight up audiobooks

00:14:06.060 and hadn't really read a book cover to cover in a while.

00:14:09.760 But then this year, my mom got me into

00:14:13.300 the sort of like romanticy genre,

00:14:15.120 which I don't like to call it

00:14:16.040 because I think it's misogynistic, 0.67

00:14:19.180 that only the women fantasy writers get called romanticy.

00:14:21.780 And period, period, love that.

00:14:24.180 But you know what I mean when I say that.

00:14:25.920 And so I've been like,

00:14:28.280 I've probably read 6,000 pages of Romanticity.

00:14:32.780 I've just been devouring book after book after book after book.

00:14:36.140 You and me both.

00:14:36.740 What are some of your faves?

00:14:38.300 I think the definitive one, like the My Harry Potter, is Throne of Glass.

00:14:44.980 Oh, nice.

00:14:46.020 I haven't finished that one.

00:14:47.560 I read ACOTAR.

00:14:48.060 What book are you on?

00:14:49.360 Two, honestly.

00:14:50.380 Okay.

00:14:50.760 I know I have quite the journey ahead of me.

00:14:52.580 No, you've got to get past book three.

00:14:54.240 Okay.

00:14:54.580 like book two and three yeah do a lot of work at like you're kind of like what's happening

00:14:59.780 and then when you get to book four yeah and then when you get to book four you're like oh my god

00:15:05.400 i want to go back and reread these books because now i understand what's happening and like i want

00:15:10.360 to read it with informed with that information gotcha gotcha and it's like it's it what by the

00:15:16.060 time i go to the end i was like this is my mount ever like this like this series is my one of my

00:15:20.980 things i've ever read in my entire life that is so cool i love romanticity i'm actually writing two

00:15:25.380 fiction books actually really that's so cool i know i sold them last year so i'm working on them

00:15:30.380 now but i've read i've read a ton of them thank you what are they about uh mine are about i'm

00:15:36.120 actually pulling from because i'm polynesian i'm samuan yeah so i'm pulling from a lot of

00:15:40.460 polynesian like mythological like lore oh brilliant yeah and like fables and they you

00:15:45.640 know because polynesian people had so many before prior to being colonized they had so many uh they

00:15:50.100 were first of all like worshiped many gods but polytheistic but they had so many different

00:15:54.720 beautiful stories for describing things like the wind and the sun and the trees of course so i

00:16:00.300 thought there is no better setting for a romanticy kind of book no i think that's brilliant and i

00:16:06.160 haven't seen it yet so i haven't seen it either i think that's really really smart yeah look at me

00:16:09.900 awesome i i love that you love those books though you big smut reading fan you like to read yeah

00:16:14.240 I mean, I think the first, yeah, I mean, the first, I mean, this is weird, you can cut this out if you want to, but the first porn I ever experienced was a book that I found on a bookshelf, and it just looked mysterious and had no cover, and then I found it and took it off, it was like a translation of an old French literatica, and I was like, this is amazing, and then for a while I was kind of committed to literatica, because I thought it was sort of like a feminine,

00:16:42.960 I was like I was like oh this is cool like this like yeah I do that but like but I do it in like

00:16:48.560 an elegant way you know I do it in like a French literatica way like I'm not like I'm not cheesing

00:16:53.600 I don't watch porn okay I read 16th century French literatica that's grown up right that's ladylike

00:17:00.420 right right um that's that's that's fashion that's dignified yes yes that's yeah that's

00:17:06.600 legitimate so yeah so no I'm into it yeah I love that you're into it I love that you're you're

00:17:11.620 We're looking up fan fiction and smut.

00:17:13.060 I'm into it.

00:17:13.600 It's awesome.

00:17:14.340 I love AO3.

00:17:15.340 Me and AO3 go together real bad.

00:17:16.980 That's awesome.

00:17:17.680 Yeah, me, AO3, and my Kindle.

00:17:19.300 Yeah, let's go.

00:17:20.520 I think some of my favorite romanticity books I've ever read was, there's this Viking one

00:17:24.840 I read called A Curse Carved in Bone.

00:17:26.700 You ever heard about that one?

00:17:27.120 Ooh, sounds fantastic, no?

00:17:28.440 Oh my gosh, it's a duology. 0.98

00:17:29.880 It's so fucking T. 0.96

00:17:31.000 Why do all the titles, like I love these books so much, why do all the titles have to be 0.97

00:17:35.020 all the same thing?

00:17:36.260 Yeah, they're like buried in ash, buried in embers, like it's one of those.

00:17:39.860 Yeah, they're like crossbowings.

00:17:41.620 of midnight like a blood on the tower you know they're so they're so dramatic they like and they

00:17:47.220 all have to have the same like nouns and adjectives that are just like reorganized and i'm like these

00:17:50.760 books are incredible please title them appropriately title them a little bit can we can we work on

00:17:56.780 getting some romantic-y new book covers right let's like i want some like defined like new

00:18:01.840 yorker style like like like marketing of like like yeah like to just like meet the quality of the

00:18:07.500 writing because the writing's amazing I agree and I want like I want to like like a dignified little

00:18:12.160 New Yorker style cover and title please I need a little bit more variation in that yeah as well

00:18:19.220 I agree and in my book that I'm writing I made her 30 okay that's awesome which is period because

00:18:24.760 most of them she's freshly 18 yeah gotta be I'm not loving yeah I was like I'm as a 30 year old

00:18:30.680 woman I was like no I've even had like when I had meetings with a publisher uh one publisher that I

00:18:35.620 had a meeting with they asked me would you be interested in making her 23 and you were like no

00:18:40.140 i was like yeah no i went no i'm not and also she's technically speaking she's 700 so i think

00:18:45.700 it's fine it's i think it's totally fine i think it's okay i'm glad i'm glad that you're letting 0.99

00:18:50.000 some women be immortals here i think that's very cool yeah my bitch starts out strong yeah yeah 1.00

00:18:54.760 that's all it's out like on top like top of her game strong i want them to make them older too 1.00

00:18:59.920 because i'm like i'm falling in love with these books right as i age out of being able to play

00:19:04.120 any of these characters and I'm like I'm like will you please write one where the main character is

00:19:09.080 like 32 that would be I have the time just so that we can develop the project together and then by

00:19:13.880 the time it gets made I'll be the appropriate age there you go I'm telling you do you have any other

00:19:19.140 favorites of like fantasy books or even just fiction in general I love this this one actually

00:19:25.020 weirdly this is like a big influence on my record there's a song kind of inspired by it it's from

00:19:29.520 in the 80s, it's called the Lioness Rampant series.

00:19:34.440 It's about a character named Alana Trabond,

00:19:36.600 it's by Tamora Pierce.

00:19:38.580 And she's amazing, and it's like 80s romantic-y.

00:19:43.800 It's not that smutty, but it's like,

00:19:45.840 it's wink-wink almost.

00:19:47.140 It's like chapter break right there, you know?

00:19:49.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, pan to the fireplace.

00:19:50.920 Yeah, pan to the fireplace style.

00:19:53.100 But I love, it's about a young girl

00:19:55.000 who wants to become a knight in a kingdom

00:19:57.440 where women aren't allowed to be knights, 0.99

00:19:59.280 And so she dresses up like a boy and becomes like an amazing magical night.

00:20:03.380 Okay.

00:20:04.140 And it's great.

00:20:04.800 I love it.

00:20:05.680 Ooh.

00:20:06.320 That's funny.

00:20:06.920 I recently rewatched Mulan, which is like, that's kind of a Mulan tip. 0.98

00:20:10.800 And I was like, damn, this movie is so good. 0.89

00:20:13.120 I rewatched it recently. 0.99

00:20:14.380 Mulan's amazing.

00:20:15.000 It's so incredible. 0.95

00:20:15.780 And I was like, I need all the women in my books to be like this. 1.00

00:20:18.620 We must be swift as the force. 1.00

00:20:20.340 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:20.800 To literally be like, fuck my dad. 1.00

00:20:22.640 I'm going to go to war. 1.00

00:20:23.380 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:23.780 Like that's the type of shit I need. 1.00

00:20:25.420 I need from a girl in my book. 1.00

00:20:26.640 Yeah.

00:20:26.980 I'm with you.

00:20:27.920 And I'm writing mine.

00:20:29.280 my girl to be like well first of all I made all the men huge too and like all of the men have 0.94

00:20:34.640 long hair which I'm fucking with that's awesome so I'm like I'm kind of going left of center for 0.99

00:20:39.300 most of the books I've read because I feel like the descriptions are very like every woman is 0.97

00:20:44.000 very small tiny dainty that kind of thing every man is huge and enormous and whatever I'm kind

00:20:50.180 of leveling that field that's cool I like that like I wrote a line that was like the women are 0.99

00:20:54.080 big but the men are bigger yeah that's good like that's the kind of shit I'm looking for in my 0.99

00:20:57.940 Yeah, that's awesome. 0.99

00:20:58.860 Yeah, I need some, I get what you mean, though.

00:21:00.440 You need to switch it up a little bit.

00:21:01.860 Yeah.

00:21:02.280 Yeah, why not?

00:21:03.020 What about TV shows?

00:21:04.220 What are some TV shows you like?

00:21:05.080 I watch a lot of TV shows.

00:21:06.460 I just watched DTF St. Louis and finished it.

00:21:10.300 Ooh, cool.

00:21:10.460 And I was just so moved by my old co-star, David Harbour, that his performance was one

00:21:17.360 of my favorite pieces of acting I've seen in a long time.

00:21:19.380 Oh, nice.

00:21:20.400 I can't stop thinking about how good it was.

00:21:22.780 And I left him a crazy voice message being like, please tell me how you do so good at

00:21:27.740 being actor like I really what did you do because I want to do be good like you

00:21:32.340 um and uh so I was blown away by that um what else am I watching that you're loving that I'm

00:21:40.240 loving I'm like watching rooster I'm loving rooster oh I just saw something about rooster

00:21:46.860 the other day um what else you ever watch the show paradise on hulu no no listen this show's

00:21:54.900 becoming a paradise show because every one of my guests i'm like have you seen the show paradise

00:21:58.840 okay i'm talking like i work for them i don't or like i'm in the show i'm not but it has sterling

00:22:03.780 k brown james marsden there's a whole bunch of people i think shailene woodley was in season

00:22:08.980 two like there's a whole bunch of heavy hitters shows fantastic okay incredible but it's like

00:22:13.240 sci-fi so it's like about end of the world kind of deal okay but it's basically without any

00:22:17.760 spoilers the premise is essentially the head of security is sterling k brown for the president

00:22:22.420 oh and james marston is the president when the world ends oh cool and so it's like what do you

00:22:27.180 do when the world's elite has been essentially prepping for the end of the world and not telling

00:22:32.000 anyone else it's like the next part of the um that movie that came out this year about like

00:22:38.200 the about d-day where the nuclear bombs drop yes yes it's like it's like what happens next

00:22:42.880 yeah essentially cool it's so interesting and honestly they're acting their asses off in that

00:22:48.400 Oh, I can't wait.

00:22:49.240 I'll check it out.

00:22:50.060 But the writing is like unbelievable.

00:22:51.260 I was like, I find it really inspiring

00:22:53.360 for the books that I'm writing now.

00:22:54.780 I've been trying to watch

00:22:55.640 a lot of different depictions of love,

00:22:58.200 like both in like platonically, romantically,

00:23:01.180 like child to parent, like grandparents,

00:23:04.120 that kind of thing.

00:23:04.960 Well, that's really, I'm really into that too.

00:23:07.600 Are you?

00:23:08.440 Yeah, even like on my record,

00:23:09.360 I tried to have there be like a song about friendship love,

00:23:13.300 a song about sibling love,

00:23:14.620 a song about parental love,

00:23:16.740 a song about romantic love,

00:23:18.260 a song about like the love between two people who broke up and are still friends like just kind of

00:23:22.060 all the different ways and forms that really deep relationships can exist yeah totally it's like i

00:23:28.560 think that's what i loved about it because they they depict like human connection in a way that

00:23:34.060 is so beautiful to me like yeah it's the way you can connect to people community like how

00:23:39.340 much of a difference it makes like what makes me think that you would like station 11 okay

00:23:44.380 it came out during the pandemic it's one season it will it'll blow your mind it's on hbo it's

00:23:49.340 so good people i think didn't find it at the time because we were in a pandemic and it's about a

00:23:53.780 pandemic oh i see but like now post it's very different kind of pandemic um but uh it's amazing

00:23:59.360 and it's also about kind of community it like in the aftermath of a disaster and how the humans

00:24:06.040 the kind of rejuvenating power of the human spirit yeah that's why i think that's why i

00:24:11.660 also started watching a lot of studio ghibli movies because i love the way that he writes

00:24:16.320 love like both between like siblings between romantic partners and like the depiction of love

00:24:22.260 and i also like to watch things in different cultural contexts because i feel like they depict

00:24:26.660 love in very different ways from like the way american people write yeah so i feel like it's

00:24:31.100 giving me a lot of different kinds of inspiration and like variation like what kind of things do

00:24:36.120 you like to look at or watch or like pull inspiration from or is it mostly just like

00:24:40.220 personal experience no I pull inspiration from all kinds of things like I often get caught off guard

00:24:47.920 by some moment and like why it just like you know something just strikes a chord I feel like

00:24:54.840 occasionally something strikes a chord and it either personal or or something I'm reading or

00:24:59.900 watching or someone else's art or song or yeah and then you kind of follow that down right like you

00:25:07.440 kind of figure out you follow where it hurts or where it makes you smile or like where you're like

00:25:12.760 oh yes oh that's true yeah and I think usually truth is like my biggest guiding principle in

00:25:21.320 life yeah but I'm really interested in honesty and in how much I think that your life gets better

00:25:29.360 if you stick to it yeah like and when you figure but that doesn't mean it's always easy to be

00:25:36.080 honest and not just because it's hard to scary to tell the truth sometimes but also because it's

00:25:42.680 hard to figure out what the truth is right so when I hear something and I'm like oh that rings true

00:25:47.500 that's usually what I chase oh I love that I felt like that was indicative when I was listening to

00:25:53.580 your music but also I feel like that's what helps people connect to music a lot easier when you're

00:25:58.600 like way more honest I feel like sometimes if it doesn't hit a lot of times it can be it can feel

00:26:03.360 inauthentic or a little like people artists are holding you at arm's length a little bit

00:26:07.260 but when you let them get a little close it can be real beautiful yeah just like your song heavy

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00:26:53.980 I had this beautiful day, I was, I went down to Lincoln Center, and I was making a wish

00:27:01.460 in the fountain, which is usually the wishes I wish to someday perform at Lincoln Center.

00:27:05.680 Oh, true.

00:27:06.260 So it seems like a good place to make that wish.

00:27:07.800 Hell yeah.

00:27:09.040 And I was like, I was like, I was there, have you ever been to that square?

00:27:13.040 Yes, I have, yeah.

00:27:14.020 It's like very, very beautiful.

00:27:15.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:15.620 There's like multiple fountains, and people are moving around, and then all of a sudden

00:27:18.940 I was having this like very interesting conversation with my brother, and then just the, like

00:27:23.960 Like rain just out of nowhere just exploded down and I just watched all these New Yorkers

00:27:31.220 like magically materialize umbrellas out of nowhere and everyone was just kind of like

00:27:36.200 all of a sudden rushing and moving away into doors and disappearing everywhere and I had

00:27:41.320 the day, a day where I didn't have anything to do.

00:27:44.200 There was no reason that I couldn't just sit there at my fountain where I make my wishes

00:27:48.400 and just be in the rain.

00:27:50.860 And I did.

00:27:51.820 and I felt very free and very um very myself and in you know like out there's so much stress

00:28:05.700 in the world in you know both one's own life and then also in all the information that we all

00:28:11.700 have access to every day yeah and I just we have these moments or at least I have moments

00:28:17.240 where I can't differentiate

00:28:19.580 between what is a real problem

00:28:21.840 and what's not a real problem.

00:28:23.000 Right, yeah.

00:28:23.620 Like, you know, where you're like,

00:28:25.680 sometimes I talk about like when I'm anxious,

00:28:28.160 if I solve the thing, the problem

00:28:30.820 that I feel anxious about

00:28:31.720 and it just immediately gets replaced

00:28:33.200 by another problem,

00:28:34.480 then the problem is the anxiety.

00:28:36.340 Right.

00:28:37.100 And if I solve the problem

00:28:38.880 that I'm worried about

00:28:39.500 and the problem goes away,

00:28:40.720 then it was the problem and not the anxiety.

00:28:43.160 Yeah.

00:28:43.700 And so I was having a day

00:28:45.720 where I just felt like,

00:28:47.240 oh, this is my life, I know who I am,

00:28:48.980 I know what I believe in, I know what matters to me.

00:28:51.880 After a time of feeling extremely insecure

00:28:54.940 and very afraid, I think when Stranger Things ended,

00:28:58.360 I felt very lost and I didn't have a lot of faith

00:29:02.340 in myself or in the future of what was gonna happen

00:29:06.820 and I was really scared and it took me about a year

00:29:09.720 to really move through that feeling

00:29:12.360 and that day was kind of like the day of being like,

00:29:14.780 okay no I get it I see it I know what matters to me I know where I want to point my arrow that's

00:29:20.120 so beautiful those words just kind of came to me while I was like soaking wet in the cab home and

00:29:24.520 yeah yeah that's so beautiful I think that's amazing I think it's also like a very human

00:29:30.440 feeling too I think I think sometimes I think people will find that very relatable that you

00:29:35.320 as someone who's been performing at such a high level for such a long time can also have those

00:29:41.020 feelings of humanness where you're like well what's next like I think that can be very relatable to a

00:29:46.000 lot of people well I'm lucky because I've known about that since I was a kid because I I you know

00:29:49.920 I got to watch my parents who are at the top of their fields yeah be really nervous about what

00:29:55.180 next year was going to look like or about this or about that and like not not have a sense of

00:29:59.360 security right um in any sort of like regularity of of having a job right and I think you know my

00:30:06.580 identity got so fused with stranger things and in a way that I never imagined until it ended I

00:30:15.020 didn't couldn't see it until it was gone and then I was like whoa I don't know what I don't know

00:30:19.680 what comes after this right and I don't have faith that anything will and I've like law I

00:30:25.120 you know before I was 19 when I got that job and when I was 19 I had so much faith in myself I was

00:30:32.160 like I'm gonna be a movie star and it's gonna be awesome and it's gonna be great and I think that

00:30:35.940 Like, of course, I'm going to get the part in this because I'm going in and I have a good attitude and I'm cool.

00:30:40.720 So why wouldn't I? And like, here we go.

00:30:42.500 And and then cut to eight years later, I have all of that confidence is gone.

00:30:47.720 And you would think it would be increased due to experience and credits, but it was obliterated due to knowledge and information.

00:30:54.540 And, you know, it's that classic experiment where they have people take a math test.

00:30:58.640 But first they have to demarcate how well they think they're going to do.

00:31:01.120 right and the people who think they're gonna do the best do worse than the people who think they

00:31:05.860 aren't right and which is usually because the more you know about something the less the more you know

00:31:11.100 you don't know yeah right like the better you are at math the more like i don't really know that much

00:31:15.140 about math right versus if you're like no i remember i passed eighth grade geometry let's go

00:31:20.880 you know yeah well i think that's i think it's also very honestly empowering to hear someone

00:31:28.820 like yourself talk about that kind of vulnerability especially as an artist because it can feel i think

00:31:34.520 from optics wise it can feel like you're in something as huge as stranger things and they're 0.98

00:31:39.000 like well you're fucking you're totally fine you're feeling fine you're feeling great you're 0.90

00:31:43.400 feeling awesome 24 7 there's no way you're not but that is the the hard part about you know ascending 0.99

00:31:49.500 to new heights there are there is that level of like there's a greater height to fall from i guess

00:31:55.540 so like the higher up you go, which can be nerve wracking.

00:31:58.020 But I also think it's really beautiful and vulnerable

00:32:01.260 for you to share that feeling so openly,

00:32:02.780 especially through music,

00:32:04.180 about feeling very like just nervous

00:32:06.040 about what could happen next after getting a gig that big.

00:32:10.300 You know, our industries present a facade

00:32:14.660 of kind of like impenetrable glamour.

00:32:18.400 And there's a lot of glamour

00:32:22.480 and like a lot of very young people do very well.

00:32:25.520 And, but it is also a profession of constant reinvention

00:32:32.460 and very little job security.

00:32:34.540 Especially for women. 0.76

00:32:35.540 Yeah, especially for women.

00:32:37.020 And I think that it's, and also we live in like,

00:32:42.580 we are the anxious generation, right?

00:32:44.820 And so there's both real and imagined structural insecurity.

00:32:51.360 Yeah, totally.

00:32:52.680 And, you know, we hold these comparison machines

00:32:55.920 in our pocket that are programmed.

00:32:58.560 And this is like, a big part of my not feeling

00:33:02.280 so bad anymore, my heavy rain moment,

00:33:04.440 was really getting off the internet.

00:33:06.360 Was, yeah, because I was realizing that like,

00:33:08.980 not only, you know, my husband, like, 0.96

00:33:12.040 his internet told him that he was a loser 0.93

00:33:14.860 and that I was amazing. 0.70

00:33:16.460 And like, doing great and everyone loved me. 0.94

00:33:18.120 And like, and my internet told me that I was a loser.

00:33:21.440 and that he was doing great,

00:33:23.340 and that my other friends were doing great,

00:33:24.640 but that everyone hated me.

00:33:26.380 And I realized, oh, it's not just that the internet is bad,

00:33:30.500 it's that each of us have our own curated,

00:33:34.000 crafted internet made by the companies

00:33:36.560 that run the internet that are designed

00:33:38.940 to get us to look at it more,

00:33:41.500 which inherently means that they target our insecurities,

00:33:44.680 our self-doubt, our fear, our self-hatred,

00:33:48.140 and that's what I am looking at.

00:33:49.920 It is not an accurate representation of how I'm doing professionally.

00:33:52.900 No, exactly, yeah.

00:33:53.840 It's like a funhouse mirror.

00:33:55.780 Yeah, it's a funhouse mirror.

00:33:57.480 And I realized I had to stop looking at that.

00:34:00.780 And then I did.

00:34:01.380 That's good, though.

00:34:02.120 I think that's a beautiful thing.

00:34:03.200 It's important, I think, to cut off parts of this business that are not necessary to you thriving as an artist.

00:34:10.160 Like, the Internet's one of them. 0.96

00:34:11.280 And I'm someone who came up on the Internet, so I fucking get it. 0.75

00:34:14.020 Well, but we all came up on the Internet, you know what I mean? 0.90

00:34:16.400 Like, in different ways, right?

00:34:17.560 It's true.

00:34:18.060 It's all become the Internet now.

00:34:19.520 true yeah they're so one in the same instagram and your netflix are like you know right next to

00:34:24.560 each other on the same thing you hold in your pocket and like and you're doing similar stuff

00:34:28.800 on them yeah and they're like you're scrolling through trailers or you're scrolling through

00:34:32.440 trailers right exactly like you know it's so true and i had someone on the show um anna cathcart

00:34:37.720 she's an exo kitty yeah so and she when she was on the show she was telling me that what she

00:34:42.900 realized was that acting is like like it's so much more of everything else than it is the

00:34:49.400 actual acting like she says I love acting but like 80% of it now is the marketing and the

00:34:56.400 I talk about that all the time yeah it's like I remember when I when I was at drama school I was

00:34:59.900 like yeah you know the thing that sucks about drama school is that like my day is 80% magical

00:35:05.000 and 20% bullshit and then I left and started working and I was like whoa 80% magical is crazy 0.66

00:35:13.020 stats like that's bringing in in that's such high numbers of magical per day like now i was actually

00:35:20.000 really lucky with how much magic i was that was so much magic like i now i'm like lucky if i get

00:35:25.160 like two percent magic yeah like of that like sparkly feeling of like whoa you and i were

00:35:30.380 building a dream together and and we're catching flight and we're floating away and here it goes

00:35:35.080 oh my god i don't know the difference between me and this other person and here we go and i'm high

00:35:37.980 on it and whoa i'm crying about something that didn't happen to me and a spell is coming over

00:35:42.380 and now I'm laughing and now I'm in love with you.

00:35:44.480 And that kind of float is just not in the schedule

00:35:51.420 very often and it's complicated.

00:35:53.740 It's very minimal.

00:35:54.580 I've actually recently started venturing into acting.

00:35:57.560 I've always wanted to be an actress, 0.99

00:35:59.000 but obviously I did the internet dickhead shit first 0.99

00:36:01.320 and now I'm trying to pivot and I'm in my self-tape era. 0.97

00:36:05.140 Any way that anyone comes up

00:36:06.540 and finds a way to make their art is awesome.

00:36:08.820 Thank you.

00:36:09.660 There's nothing wrong with any way of doing it.

00:36:10.580 I appreciate that.

00:36:11.460 I appreciate that. 0.95

00:36:12.420 I mean, the way I came into the business, too, I feel like is pretty unique in the sense that, like, I grew a platform by simply being really fucking mean to men. 0.97

00:36:20.160 Like, misogynistic men, essentially. 0.94

00:36:21.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:22.280 So, like, me just ethering them kind of gave me a platform.

00:36:25.180 So now I'm like, well, now what am I going to do with it?

00:36:27.240 Yeah.

00:36:27.460 I want to do a talk show, talk to Maya Hawke, and also maybe act.

00:36:30.840 Yeah.

00:36:31.320 And also maybe write books.

00:36:33.020 Yes, and write books as well.

00:36:34.540 And also wear really cool T-shirts.

00:36:36.320 Thank you.

00:36:36.680 This is my dog, Tuna.

00:36:37.860 I had a feeling.

00:36:38.480 Yeah, this is my dog.

00:36:39.540 the last episode i wore a squid shirt so this time i'm using squids my other dog oh nice but um

00:36:44.840 he's deaf by the way oh you can't tell from the photos but he is i i have i had a friend who had

00:36:49.800 a deaf dog deaf dogs are really cool they don't bark at every single thing no they don't he's

00:36:54.880 honestly the chillest dog in the history of time like he's everyone's like he's a crowd favorite

00:36:58.840 yeah i'm sure he has no stress and it's probably because he can't because he can't hear anything

00:37:02.460 yeah and so many dogs are so terrorized by their sonic anxiety right like he literally has the

00:37:06.940 biggest ears ever useless sometimes i wish my dog was deaf every single person that walks by our

00:37:13.680 yeah you have uh just one dog just one dog oh my gosh maybe i'll get a second one someday but i

00:37:18.200 don't know what's their name lucky oh that's so cute she's the best i miss her so much what kind

00:37:22.680 of dog is she a miniature labradoodle oh that's so cute she's very cute and she's a barker she's

00:37:29.580 a barker that's okay she also has the highest pitch bark it's like it's a i love her to the

00:37:35.360 moving back in, sometimes I look at her and I'm like,

00:37:37.600 I can't believe you.

00:37:40.020 Like it's a pitch that like, it's like,

00:37:43.720 you know when you're like talking to a microphone

00:37:45.120 and it feeds back?

00:37:45.960 It's like that.

00:37:47.240 It's like so high.

00:37:49.180 The frequency is so high.

00:37:50.540 It's so, it's ear splitting.

00:37:54.160 She's protecting the house.

00:37:55.280 Yeah, she's protecting the house,

00:37:56.120 but I've been teaching her, shh, whisper, whisper. 1.00

00:37:58.180 And then she goes, woof, woof. 0.98

00:38:01.080 But then she'll get annoyed and then she'll go, ah.

00:38:04.540 So we've got to work on that.

00:38:05.960 We're working on it.

00:38:06.500 Working on it.

00:38:07.120 Shh.

00:38:07.740 Woof.

00:38:09.420 Well, I know you mentioned your husband, and you recently got married.

00:38:12.260 Yeah.

00:38:12.620 Oh, my gosh.

00:38:13.020 How was that?

00:38:13.640 It was awesome.

00:38:14.320 It was amazing.

00:38:14.840 It was amazing.

00:38:15.500 I'm getting married in August.

00:38:16.240 Congratulations.

00:38:17.180 Thank you so much.

00:38:17.940 Do you have any tips for me as a new bride?

00:38:20.380 Yeah.

00:38:20.400 Yeah, I do.

00:38:21.460 I'm trying to think of which ones are on air appropriate.

00:38:25.520 No, no, no.

00:38:25.960 They wouldn't be sexual.

00:38:26.940 they would just be um my biggest tip is that really you're gonna have a great time at your

00:38:36.100 wedding I know you are like there's what what stage of planning are you at um right now we're

00:38:43.120 we're getting there we're getting into the nitty-gritty I just like you have a date set

00:38:46.520 yes you have a date set how far away is it it's another state so no no sorry how many months in

00:38:53.200 the future how many months from now it's about four four and four months okay cool yeah awesome

00:38:59.180 it's gonna go great like you're gonna have the best time just be selfish okay like it will be

00:39:04.640 hard yeah like to feel good about being selfish in the inner but if you're gonna spend so much

00:39:09.600 energy you're trying to please everyone yeah you're never going to please them and then they

00:39:14.600 just will be pleased like they'll be so happy i'll be stressing about if the day goes off well

00:39:20.000 everyone will be so happy

00:39:21.980 and like and you'll you'll waste

00:39:24.060 so much energy being like does my mom like the

00:39:26.100 flowers like no

00:39:28.180 I'm worried she's gonna hate the flowers 1.00

00:39:30.020 and then she's gonna have a bad time

00:39:31.740 it doesn't matter not be able to stop 0.97

00:39:34.060 looking at she just wants you to be happy

00:39:35.960 even if the and like it's like she's

00:39:38.100 nervous that you're not gonna be happy if you make sure

00:39:40.060 you're happy like she'll be happy

00:39:42.000 and like so great I think that's my

00:39:43.660 that's try not to waste too much energy

00:39:46.100 trying to make everyone else happy yeah it's 0.97

00:39:48.000 one day of their freaking lives 0.78

00:39:49.520 they can do it they can do it they can sit next to someone they don't like everyone can do it 0.83

00:39:55.260 everyone will be okay biggest tip don't show anyone your seating chart okay make it with

00:40:00.320 your husband don't lock and key no one no one gets notes you know everyone invited to your wedding

00:40:05.540 you know who they like and who they hate yeah you manage their feuds do not let them manage their

00:40:09.640 own feuds okay that's great that's my biggest tip that's a great tip my lesbian sister um that i do

00:40:15.960 have some some blood relatives that are homophobic so my rule for my wedding has been like if they

00:40:21.780 wouldn't come to her wedding they're not invited to mine awesome so thankfully that's cut my guest 0.98

00:40:27.120 list in fucking half because i have a huge also probably cuts down the fuse yes exactly yeah you 0.91

00:40:32.640 don't need my advice is what i've decided you don't need my advice at all honestly though that 0.98

00:40:38.520 was tea about the the seating chart because i i told my mom i was like i really don't want to do

00:40:42.460 a seating chart for that reason especially i was like i kind of want to do a first come first serve

00:40:47.020 if you come you get your own table and so that was my initial idea really i tried to do that

00:40:52.200 it's it's surprising the thing it's like in many ways this year both like with this record a lot

00:40:57.800 of things has been like laughing at your own plans like it's just kind of like oh right okay

00:41:03.340 like a lot of no's like a lot of like a lot of like me having ideas and people being like

00:41:07.100 that's a great idea let me explain to you why it's not possible like i would say is like my

00:41:11.940 year in two sentences is that's a great idea let me explain why it's not possible well there you

00:41:16.300 go you know what you're constantly reinventing you're learning you're evolving yeah how's how's

00:41:21.480 married life been for you awesome it's been amazing yeah i think that's wonderful i think

00:41:25.820 it's great when it feels no different it doesn't feel different which is a beautiful thing but it

00:41:29.360 feels like it feels like we did a magic spell yeah it feels like the same thing but like me and my

00:41:34.120 fellow warlock witch wizard man did a magic spell and and we like surrounded ourselves in a magical

00:41:41.580 bubble of light and that's so nice it feels like so it's like the same except maybe the bubble got

00:41:46.720 a little tougher that's kind of how i felt when i went like got engaged yeah felt like it leveled

00:41:51.640 up like nothing really changed but it did feel different in a beautiful way yeah i think that's

00:41:56.640 amazing almost the engagement felt like a bigger shift to me that's a good point yeah mostly because

00:42:01.900 of the way like the way that like family reacts to that yeah like they're kind of like oh okay

00:42:06.560 well hey nice to meet you everyone gets real serious everyone's like whoa sorry i didn't

00:42:12.300 realize got it i didn't realize you guys were for real about that yeah okay okay so what's your

00:42:16.680 favorite color i guess i should get to know you a little bit better i guess you're gonna be around

00:42:20.900 for a while yeah i think that's beautiful yeah well look at you you had a big year you're a new

00:42:24.680 album got married finished a big show i've been doing for eight years i was gonna say how's that

00:42:30.120 how was that like the culmination of it all i guess beautiful really emotional i mean like we

00:42:36.020 talked about a little bit like I feel um so lucky to have had that experience I feel like the people

00:42:44.660 and the friendships and like where it all ended up and the kind of like groundedness it offered

00:42:51.640 me like it's like a combination of a college experience and like of an incredible like you

00:42:59.640 know digging of the foundation of the house of my life you know as metaphorically yeah like it was

00:43:04.840 just foundational community building and really taught taught me about being a part of a team

00:43:10.740 taught me about confidence and endurance and uh belief in myself and in others in taught me about

00:43:19.620 change yeah like the way things can change like what I thought that experience was going to be

00:43:25.020 when I started it was so different than what it ended up being like and then was so and then that

00:43:31.280 was so different than what it ended up becoming yeah and I like I am really what it what I'm

00:43:36.080 left with is profound gratitude oh that's so wonderful I think that's a beautiful thing and

00:43:40.560 I think y'all did a kick-ass job thank you on the ending of it all I watched the finale in Ireland

00:43:44.920 oh awesome because I went to Ireland over Christmas break and I was like and it was the

00:43:49.220 people in my group were like we have to watch the finale wait you were with a group did you do like

00:43:54.480 a group travel yeah we went to Dublin yeah for New Year's Eve like like with a group of friends

00:44:00.200 or like on like a tourist traveling no no no no for friends with friends okay in my mind did you

00:44:05.140 imagine i watch with strangers i was just like imagining you like on like like you know when

00:44:09.160 you can like join like a travel group like i was imagining you on some sort of like tour of ireland

00:44:14.080 travel yeah then i was like guys want to watch the stranger things finale yeah no it was all my

00:44:19.300 friends like what was that movie called it was amazing jesse eisenberg directed it oh yeah where

00:44:22.860 they go on the the last trip together yeah yeah um i forget the name of it they go on a tour of um

00:44:29.080 of days remembers you saw it well kieran culkin's in it yeah i can't remember the name of it a real

00:44:34.860 pain yeah i was imagining you on like a real pain style that's what i thought and i was like that

00:44:40.720 makes sense that like the the group would get together and watch stranger it's pretty like

00:44:44.020 it's like a good common ground yeah oh yeah are you kidding one of the most popular shows in the

00:44:48.360 history of time yeah yeah probably i'd probably get a few yeah in the group to like it yeah common

00:44:52.900 ground okay pivoting back to music really quickly what do you hope people take away from your new

00:44:58.260 album I mean okay so I sort of see this album as like a journey from figuring out what you want

00:45:03.680 but knowing that you're not ready to receive it like I think I saw a certain kind of love out

00:45:10.000 there in the world and I was like oh that's the kind of love I want yeah but when that kind of

00:45:14.900 love comes at me I freak out yeah I think I don't deserve it I think that the person who is like

00:45:21.480 being emotional and sweet is untrustworthy I think that like I if I'm not like chasing

00:45:26.840 something that doesn't want me I feel uncomfortable right feeling that scene and that wanted I don't

00:45:34.200 feel deserving of it and so I was like okay but I figured out that I want to feel deserving of that

00:45:38.980 I'm no longer being like no that's just lame my thing is cool I'm like no my thing's not cool my

00:45:44.240 thing is messed up and I want to be able to have the kind of love that I'm seeing yeah and I need

00:45:51.380 to get emotionally ready for it and I gave myself kind of like an assignment of figuring that out I

00:45:55.780 like articulated that, I was like, I want to be able

00:45:59.040 to accept the love I think I deserve.

00:46:01.420 And I then sort of see the record kind of beginning there

00:46:08.880 and then the songs, you know, getting you to the end

00:46:13.100 are like the lessons that I had to learn,

00:46:14.980 the parts of myself I had to give up

00:46:17.640 or like open doors up to to grow enough

00:46:23.380 to be ready to receive that kind of love.

00:46:25.700 And then the end of the record is, like, kind of about how that kind of love changes you.

00:46:31.360 It makes you stronger.

00:46:33.300 And you're better for it.

00:46:35.500 And you're better for it.

00:46:36.340 Yeah.

00:46:36.880 And it's, like, it's not weakness.

00:46:38.980 It's strength and it's beauty.

00:46:40.780 And it makes you see another person so full.

00:46:43.560 You can really see someone else so fully.

00:46:45.300 Yeah.

00:46:45.680 Not just in the way that they either are or not into you.

00:46:49.900 Or are you safe?

00:46:50.740 Are you unsafe?

00:46:51.720 Are they?

00:46:52.320 You can, like, be like, oh, no, you are both independent from me.

00:46:55.700 Totally yourself, you see me as independent from you,

00:46:58.540 but we're deeply on the same team,

00:47:00.580 supporting each other and...

00:47:02.020 And choosing each other.

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:03.840 And I tried, like in that song, Bring Home My Man,

00:47:05.940 I tried to kind of lay out what I thought

00:47:09.360 was a realistic promises that you could make someone.

00:47:14.360 It's like in some ways they're like my vows.

00:47:16.680 And then it's like a,

00:47:19.580 you know, well, I know that we're not gonna be daisies

00:47:23.180 and sunshine every day for the rest of our life.

00:47:25.220 totally i know it's gonna get hard i know it's gonna get bad yeah this is what i want from you

00:47:29.860 i don't need you to wake up every morning obsessed with me right i need you to have the patience to

00:47:34.440 tell me when you're when you're not feeling obsessed with me and to work with me to try

00:47:38.520 to find our way back there yeah and i think that that's sort of what the record ended up being

00:47:42.720 about was like figuring out how i wanted to change the lessons that i learned in order to make that

00:47:49.000 change and then what it felt like to move through to walk in it to be it to walk in those shoes

00:47:55.020 I think that's so beautiful and I'm so excited for everybody to hear it and I heard it first

00:47:59.440 just so everyone knows I heard it well I mean obviously Maya's heard it before me but I heard

00:48:04.120 it before all of you yeah okay so we're gonna pivot really quick to some fun facts I love fun

00:48:09.960 facts I do have some fun facts about you but you can let me know if they're fun or not okay cool

00:48:13.400 they may not be that fun I'm ready okay so it says one summer you worked at the famous

00:48:18.180 Shakespeare and Company bookstore in Paris I did do that I have been there you have yes I have I

00:48:23.540 got a tote bag from there and I bought I think I bought Pride and Prejudice from there too that's

00:48:28.100 awesome you know that thing when you like you remember that you didn't do something yeah and

00:48:32.560 you like it's just like a pang of guilt and shame you bring it like there's one rule about living

00:48:37.580 and working at that bookstore is you have to write a bio about yourself and your experience there and

00:48:42.540 I didn't do it and they were like it's okay you can submit it a couple months later if you want

00:48:46.520 to still haven't done it it's just like I need Scott I gotta get that Shakespeare and Company

00:48:50.400 bio in I worked there when I was 15 oh god that reminds me I have to get my bio in it's been over

00:48:56.220 a decade I'm like oh god my bio oh watch them they're gonna watch this and then they're gonna

00:49:01.880 be like that reminds me I'm sorry Sylvia I'm sorry I'm sorry how was it working there it's 1.00

00:49:06.440 extraordinarily incredible the French take so many breaks I couldn't believe it it's a crazy 1.00

00:49:12.180 it's crazy coming from America you're like there and you like work for half an hour and they're 0.99

00:49:15.980 like have you taken your break yet and you're like no i just started half an hour ago and they're

00:49:21.160 like oh yeah so breakfast break yeah they're all you don't smoke okay and then i'll go take my

00:49:25.640 break come back like stack a couple books they'd be like lunch break now like what when am i gonna

00:49:30.140 get anything done how am i gonna get these books stacked i know yeah i'm an american their work

00:49:33.640 day is so nice it's really i bet they're like they go smoke and then they drink and then they

00:49:37.920 do all that while working at a bookstore yeah i feel like the few the the hour i've spent with

00:49:42.600 you thus far i honestly feel like that is the most you job to work at that bookstore specifically

00:49:48.380 it's pretty it's pretty yeah up your alley yeah harry potter land it's really that place is so

00:49:54.200 nice though it's so beautiful it really is and all i wanted was to buy one book from there i did and

00:49:58.460 we did have to wait in line for a little bit to get inside but it was awesome yeah you shouldn't

00:50:01.820 go on a sunday no yeah no no way okay uh this one says you had to watch gattaca the movie that her

00:50:10.840 parents met on while filming for the first time during your ninth grade science class yes true

00:50:15.480 just like just by happenstance they just happened to play it they played in a lot of if you ask

00:50:19.880 around a lot of people watch that movie in science class really and they just were like we're not

00:50:23.520 gonna accommodate we're not gonna change the syllabus for you because it might be weird

00:50:28.440 hey sorry we're not moving this around we're not we're not we're not shaping okay okay nepo baby

00:50:34.760 you think we're gonna shape the syllabus around you and not have everyone yeah no let's rework 0.81

00:50:38.880 your divorced parents make out yeah no we're not gonna rework class every year see the world's not 0.58

00:50:47.020 doesn't revolve around you kid nice try nice try that's so interesting like especially during

00:50:54.500 science class well i never had to watch i never had to watch it during science class oh yeah i've

00:50:59.200 never watched i think a lot of people did i oh i'm sure yeah i'm just i'm letting you know i didn't

00:51:03.840 have to watch it so if you were in my school you wouldn't i wouldn't have had to watch it well i

00:51:07.280 what's wrong to your school then no and maybe that's why maybe i love my school i was like

00:51:11.500 maybe if you went to to my school they probably would have been like actually put on gattaca

00:51:14.960 because maya's in because we like because actually people just like get a kick out of watching we

00:51:18.580 watch they're like so does she think it's hot does she think it's sad what's she feeling

00:51:26.600 okay next fun fact it says in high school you told your dad that you were quote going to a

00:51:32.700 therapy session but you actually went to lose your virginia yeah that's true i shouldn't have said

00:51:36.240 that i was i was watching i was like my sister like you know because like all my sisters get

00:51:42.560 fed these tiktok reels of me and interviews and like my sister pulled that up on my phone

00:51:47.580 and was like maya is this true is this happened younger sister my mom was like 1.00

00:51:51.960 ew you said that in public gross

00:51:54.880 he said no this ai stuff is getting out of it's getting out of hand mom it's getting out of

00:52:02.280 control i don't remember saying that at all but you know what i feel that because sometimes i say

00:52:07.440 things on like recorded broadcasts of any kind and i'm kind of like i'm annoying that's weird i

00:52:14.020 shouldn't say stuff like that yeah i should chill i have that thought all the time yeah i should

00:52:18.380 chill yeah i should chill i wish i wish i could be dignified and graceful and like only like be

00:52:22.880 a like a woman of few words and be so coy be so cool yeah unfortunately so cool unfortunately i 0.80

00:52:28.640 am a fucking yapper I do love to talk I love to talk and I think things are funny and like and 0.96

00:52:34.260 then they're not funny and then sometimes my mom doesn't find them very funny yeah okay uh this one 0.98

00:52:41.320 says you went on a long walk and swam in a stream on your 21st birthday and that you said that it's

00:52:47.740 been part of your b-day tradition since you were four years old do you still find a stream to swim

00:52:52.420 in on your birthday i would say there's some like narrative um either by me or whoever wrote that

00:52:59.960 internet there's some like there's some rounding out of some facts there i would say i love stream

00:53:06.520 plunging okay i love i love to jump in the stream i i am not a person who's very good at doing the

00:53:12.340 same thing every year partly because like i my life i travel a lot i'm always in a different

00:53:16.760 place on my birthday should be like i do the same thing on my birthday every year and i always like

00:53:20.540 no yeah i don't i i never do the same thing on any day ever um i'm the least habitualized routine

00:53:27.820 person you've ever met um i have no idea what i'm doing with my day every day um i wake up and smell

00:53:34.780 the panic um but uh you start your day that's how i start my day yeah um but whenever possible i do

00:53:40.720 like to submerge myself in this in a stream that's nice did you go swimming on your 21st birthday

00:53:46.160 is that the first time i remember where i spent my 21st birthday i feel like 21 i was in upstate

00:53:53.840 new york and i did go swimming in a stream i remember i was i was thinking about my 22nd

00:53:58.100 birthday okay but it was what i was mixing it up with but because that was during the pandemic was

00:54:02.440 22 21 was the year before the pandemic and i i see yes i did go swimming in a stream i my 21st

00:54:08.240 birthday was in vegas and it was a nightmare so yours sounds better than mine i mean i'm a wholesome

00:54:14.940 lunatic yeah that was my that was my first and last time going to a strip club on my 21st birthday

00:54:19.800 whoa um and i mean male strippers because like the female strippers were great but the the men i i was

00:54:26.240 accosted by them it felt like a haunted house when i was in there so i was like well that's the last

00:54:30.300 time i'll be doing that i got really into i can't remember his name but there's this australian male

00:54:34.020 stripper that i was like obsessed with on instagram when i was on instagram he was amazing

00:54:38.940 and i really wanted to go and get amazing like in his dance his dancing was amazing and it was

00:54:44.480 like very intense and i would like like you could like i almost wanted to like have him at my

00:54:49.720 bachelorette party but then i got distracted um you're gone i got distracted and i got off the

00:54:54.080 internet got distracted and i didn't book it but i still want to go but i've never been to any kind

00:54:57.500 of strip club ever we should go together that seems like there's our plan there you go we'll

00:55:01.700 shake hands on it great there you go it's on camera done um we'll do it we'll repurpose that

00:55:05.940 memory for me personally yeah because it was awful and i did get a lap dance to the song work from

00:55:10.980 home by fifth harmony incredible um on stage and he did um at one point flip me upside down and

00:55:16.860 shook me like this oh cool granted i didn't have the best of memories from that i will say my

00:55:22.380 favorite memory from that night though is like while i was upside down and being shaken like

00:55:26.780 for my change out of my pockets at that point he's like shaking me he turned around and then i could

00:55:32.200 see my sister's face through his legs and she was laughing so hard that it almost made it worth it

00:55:38.140 to me because like a bit i'll it's always worth it to me yeah so like the bit in the memory of

00:55:44.100 the bit made it kind of worth it but at the time i did want to die like it was awful yeah it wasn't

00:55:49.680 something i planned on doing my mom was there too but that's a whole nother thing that's cool

00:55:53.500 that's a whole nother layer to it yeah that i had to kind of process it makes sense to me

00:55:57.360 we might have more in common than we think than we may think what's your sign by the way cancer

00:56:03.580 a scorpio rising capricorn moon okay interesting i'm a virgo sun cancer moon sagittarius rising

00:56:12.800 cool i feel like i could sense you were a cancer very emotional very in depth emotional yeah home

00:56:19.100 body water sign like cozy cuddly yeah totally but then i've got that capricorn who's like i know we

00:56:27.640 got to get stuff done yeah those two are not always getting along my capricorn and my cancer

00:56:32.040 they're like my cancer's like why did you agree to do this stop i don't want to do anything

00:56:36.340 what do you mean i just want to call my brother and cry

00:56:39.960 and then my capricorns like no get up get up get up get up yeah i think capricorns are i i very

00:56:48.040 admirable to me i feel like capricorns capricorns have a really batman villain-esque layer to them

00:56:54.740 where they feel very like as soon as first of all everyone loves capricorns like if you have

00:56:59.740 capricorn your big three yeah people magnetize towards them but capricorns are very like when

00:57:04.760 they're done they're done when they're done they're done they've got they mean business yeah

00:57:08.960 they're very cutthroat they're cutthroat and they mean this and then i've got my scorpio which is

00:57:13.180 like makes me wake up and go who wants to kiss me i think i need to kiss someone i think anyone 1.00

00:57:19.060 want to kiss wouldn't that be cool wouldn't that be cool i love scorpio women scorpio women are the 1.00

00:57:25.820 best they're a blast they're a blast they're they're so fun i love it when she gets to come

00:57:29.780 out and party it's very fun would you say you identify more with the scorpio capricorn or the

00:57:35.540 cancer i really like my cocktail i feel like i feel extremely seen by my triumvirate yeah okay

00:57:43.240 period okay big words thank you love that i don't even think i use that word right i'm giving it

00:57:49.380 sometimes i like just like using a big word for no reason wrong like a triangle triangle

00:57:56.360 triumvirate that would be cool that seems cooler than saying triangle well i i agree i think even

00:58:04.440 in the limited time i've known you just now i feel like that is a perfect your big three is

00:58:08.500 real accurate thank you i feel like for mine because of my absolutely just disemboweling

00:58:15.920 met on the internet i feel like they assume i'm a fire sign but obviously my rising is a fire sign

00:58:20.300 so that's probably what it is well also cancers and water signs it's like actually the strongest

00:58:26.020 disembowel is like if you come for my friends right i will i will become the scariest person

00:58:32.040 that you have ever met you're telling me like i if you if you come for the people that i love

00:58:36.480 right me eh whatever yeah but if you start to come after the absolutely not i feel you yeah i'm like

00:58:43.200 that exactly i feel like also i feel like the virgo um makes me like extra good at being mean

00:58:48.900 yeah because i'm a real detail-oriented person yeah so i will remember yeah like recently i i

00:58:55.200 did a big move i i moved houses and um the moving company i worked with was awful but they uh lost

00:59:01.600 some of my paintings and like smaller things and i really do think that they broke them and then

00:59:07.740 threw them away even when i was messaging them about it and i was telling them you guys lost

00:59:11.680 my things they're like we don't have them like which is funny because i have ocd and also i'm

00:59:17.180 a virgo so like if you think i haven't memorized every single thing in my house where it was where

00:59:22.640 the box was yeah yeah i was like you're crazy i could i could count every single item in my house

00:59:27.660 right now we found a difference between us because i'm often like in order for me to exist in the

00:59:32.740 world i have to accept that things that belong to me will be lost and broken that is how i and if i

00:59:40.220 and it only is a huge problem if i am worked up about it right but i'm gonna try to just have

00:59:45.520 like a sort of like meditative mind state about being like well that t-shirt was meant to leave

00:59:51.380 my life a buddhist kind of like these earthly possessions mean nothing to me well it's like

00:59:55.300 that that was the time i got with that pair of earrings and now that's they're gonna find a new

01:00:00.880 life somewhere else and that's all i got you're right i know i need more care about the fact that

01:00:06.540 you lost the care about your stuff well we do better of each other that's where we'll balance

01:00:11.180 each other a little bit more we'll work out the trade at the strip club yeah we will exactly when

01:00:14.900 we're at the strip club we'll we'll we'll exchange powers yeah well yeah we'll do a blood oath and

01:00:19.760 like well yeah there you go we'll plug into each other like the avatar perfect yeah exactly we'll

01:00:24.380 just right into awa oh now i'm super well thank you so much for coming on the show i think you're 0.52

01:00:32.920 a fucking hoot thank you for having me i think you're a hoot you're awesome to talk to you ask 0.74

01:00:36.580 great questions you're extremely thoughtful and brilliant and wonderful well now i'm hard 0.99

01:00:40.600 so now what now i got a big ass boner now what are we gonna do i told you i got that scorpio 0.97

01:00:44.420 who wants to kiss me how many boners could i start yeah by the wave of a hand yeah you're 0.99

01:00:52.200 just gonna blue balls everybody in this room i think you're a delight and for just a second 0.69

01:00:59.800 of seriousness yeah I really do think you are a renaissance woman and I really do believe you to

01:01:04.660 be so incredibly talented and I think it's a beautiful thing that you are so honest and

01:01:09.740 vulnerable about artistic expression but also just like how it can feel being an artist full time I

01:01:16.000 think that's a really touchy subject sometimes to broach with artists because I think sometimes

01:01:21.140 they worry about showcasing that side of vulnerability especially when numbers count

01:01:26.020 streams count like things like that and i think it's a really amazing thing to hear someone at

01:01:31.400 the level you are in your career still talking about feeling lost or having to kind of recenter

01:01:37.240 yourself in your art form and refill your cup i think it's a beautiful thing and i think it's

01:01:41.600 really important for other aspiring artists to hear so that they don't get discouraged because

01:01:45.720 this obviously is an industry both music and acting of rejection right and it's like experiencing it

01:01:51.040 over and over again i'm pretty much at every level yeah right like it's like it's different

01:01:55.080 rejection yeah you know like you're being rejected from different things and in different ways but

01:01:59.340 but it it is a never-ending yeah you have to figure out how to get okay with that yeah absolutely

01:02:05.500 and um yeah but i i thank you thank you for letting me talk about it and thanks for saying

01:02:09.800 that i really appreciate it and i think you're so talented and i can't wait for everyone to hear

01:02:14.560 all of your new music and see you on tour i can't wait to figure out what i'm gonna regret having

01:02:19.320 said i guess we'll see like yeah we'll see in the end no it'll be like a year i usually like stand

01:02:25.140 by my bits for like a year and then i'm like ah you're i've never said that in my life like yeah

01:02:30.680 you're leveling up every year but i love this idea about no no that's ai there you go i might

01:02:35.480 start trying that there you go so use it on your parents especially because they're older so they

01:02:38.900 don't know yeah that's true they're losing track so you don't know you have to tell them yeah you

01:02:42.760 say mom ai is getting out of control out of control it's out of control it wasn't even me

01:02:46.660 wasn't even me girl you could tell it wasn't me honey game and she got me red handed

01:02:50.440 there you go there's a little sample of what you could hear on tour

01:02:53.680 yeah we're covering it wasn't me every night yeah well thank you so much for coming on the

01:03:02.820 show thank you you're amazing love you i think you're amazing and thank you all so much for

01:03:06.760 tuning into this episode of the comment section with the iconic my hawk obviously for maybe the

01:03:11.840 one person that was born yesterday and watches this and doesn't know where to find you where

01:03:15.900 can everybody find you you can find me even though i said that i don't have instagram there is a

01:03:21.360 profile that does exist that is being run by someone else but i supervise all of it i'm just

01:03:25.800 not there i'm just not all looking at i'm not looking at it i'm deciding what goes out but

01:03:29.960 i'm not looking at the things that come in right right right um and you can find me on netflix and

01:03:36.060 you can find me on spotify and you can find me on apple music and you can find me on band camp

01:03:40.220 and uh you can find me on uh disney plus and in the near stream you can find me on yeah cold

01:03:47.240 plunging in a stream somewhere and in a stream somewhere i'm around oh and you can find me on

01:03:52.560 my website myahawkmusic.com yes exactly well thank you so much for tuning in thank you for coming on 0.66

01:03:58.620 the show you're fucking ledge you are and this is so fun and amazing thank you all so much for 0.63

01:04:03.180 tuning in don't forget new episodes of the comment section drop every wednesday you can stream the 0.98

01:04:07.120 on all streaming platforms for the video right now

01:04:09.260 is on Spotify and it will soon be on YouTube.

01:04:11.680 Make sure while you're on Spotify though,

01:04:13.240 you stream all of Maya Hawke's music, obviously.

01:04:16.280 And we'll see you next week.

01:04:17.320 Love you, bye.

The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - May 13, 2026

WHO WANTS TO KISS ME？ Ft. Maya Hawke ｜ Episode 221

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