The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - YEAR OF GAY Ft. Rebecca Black ｜ Episode 147

00:00:00.000 If you want to feel like big and mighty on yourself as a boob, boob, man, I meant to say man, hello, as a boob. 0.95

00:00:14.640 Hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me, on to the guest. 0.84

00:00:22.640 Today we have the iconic, the legendary, the multifaceted and talented, Rebecca Black.

00:00:30.000 Woo! Hi. Hello. Welcome to the show, Queen. Thanks for having me. Oh my gosh, I'm so happy. I'm honored to have you.

00:00:36.760 Oh my god. I'm excited to be here. Right. This is our first time meeting in person, but I feel like we've known each other for a long time. It feels like we have.

00:00:43.860 I've admired you from afar in the same room, for sure. Likewise. For sure. Likewise. And not in a weird way.

00:00:51.540 For me, borderline. I'll be honest, mine was. I don't know.

00:00:57.100 Well, how have you been, Queen? How's life? I've been good. I've been just, like, head down, so it's actually nice to, like, sit and chat and talk.

00:01:07.780 And key. Yeah, and key. You have to. I have a lot of key. But I've been good. I've been good, you know?

00:01:13.120 I know, you've been busy. You've been working, you've been in that stew cooking.

00:01:16.660 We've been, I've actually been out of the stew cooking. It's been sitting.

00:01:20.480 Well, now we're seeing the fruits of your stew. Yes.

00:01:22.380 The fruits of your cooking. It's been in the fridge, and we're finally bringing it out.

00:01:26.440 Exactly, exactly. It's time. Yeah, it's been, it's been fun. It's been fun.

00:01:29.900 And your new single, Trust, may I, dare I say, a bop. Thank you.

00:01:34.780 I love it. And I told you this before we started rolling, but I love a cunty gay pop song. 1.00

00:01:39.080 There, you can never have too many. Right. 0.90

00:01:40.900 I think that's been, like, the year, it's been the year of cunty gay pop, and I'm determined to bring it into the following year. 1.00

00:01:46.480 I love it. And also, can I also say, I love your boiler room sets.

00:01:51.680 Thank you. Can I say? I'm a huge fan of them.

00:01:54.080 Thank you. Yeah, that's crazy.

00:01:55.120 I think it's iconic. Thank you.

00:01:56.980 So I have lots of questions, but first we'll start with the music.

00:01:59.900 So how has your most recent music journey been? Like, how does this differ from your earlier work, would you say?

00:02:06.300 Um, I mean, I've been doing this for a long time. So there's been so many different iterations of, like, me thinking I know what I'm doing and, you know, either falling on my face or just getting my, getting, getting information and figuring this whole thing out.

00:02:25.600 And, um, the last, like, four years have been, like, a really steady, um, I feel like, journey of figuring out how to, like, put what's in my head on a paper, um, with everything that I do.

00:02:39.860 And I definitely think, like, this last, um, this current album that I'm putting out and, um, in the process of releasing, like, feels like it couldn't have existed without literally everything that came before.

00:02:52.880 Totally.

00:02:53.280 Um, and it's just exciting to see people really, like, get it.

00:02:57.660 Yeah.

00:02:58.080 And respond to it.

00:02:59.180 Absolutely.

00:02:59.900 Because I know a lot of people see my name and they think one thing or they have expectations and I love to betray them.

00:03:06.920 Right. Exactly.

00:03:08.240 Um, so it's been really, really exciting to see people, like, see what I've seen for a long time.

00:03:13.560 Absolutely. And you're, I would say, a gay icon.

00:03:16.400 And I think, I would love to know how your experience has been as far as being in the queer community yourself.

00:03:22.960 And then also, like, having such a strong queer fan base.

00:03:26.500 Like, how has that been for you?

00:03:27.500 How has that shown up in your art, in your music?

00:03:30.600 Yeah.

00:03:31.020 I mean, like, same thing.

00:03:32.340 It's been such a long kind of journey of navigating it.

00:03:35.860 And also, the landscape of music has changed so much over the past, like, 13 years.

00:03:41.680 Yeah.

00:03:42.020 Um, whereas I think even, like, five years ago, I remember, well, maybe it was a little bit long.

00:03:47.780 I don't know.

00:03:48.220 Whenever it was that I was, like, figuring out my sexuality, which was a little bit longer than five years ago.

00:03:52.400 But, at the point where I was, like, starting to make gay stuff, I had a lot of people tell me, like, I don't know if you want to make this a part of your brand or, like, pigeonhole yourself or anything.

00:04:04.960 And now it feels like every artist is dying to be gay.

00:04:08.660 Right. 0.99

00:04:08.800 Like, they wish and pray that they are gay because it's the year of being gay. 0.99

00:04:17.820 So, I don't know.

00:04:18.860 I mean, for me, like, I've always just lived my life, like, as a huge fan of the pop space, as a queer person.

00:04:27.060 And I owe my life to gay people.

00:04:29.240 Like, even before I knew my world and my piece of being queer, like, gay people were always the people who rooted for me when everyone was, like, I don't know about her.

00:04:44.900 Yeah.

00:04:45.160 They were, like, she's fierce.

00:04:46.660 Trust me.

00:04:47.220 Trust me.

00:04:47.900 You guys are sleeping on her.

00:04:48.960 Trust me.

00:04:49.780 And it's because of them that I was, like, maybe you're right, I guess.

00:04:53.420 I don't know.

00:04:54.680 That's so T.

00:04:55.560 I love that.

00:04:56.460 It's, I mean.

00:04:57.220 It's true.

00:04:57.640 They're never wrong.

00:04:58.280 They're never wrong.

00:04:59.140 They champion a horse.

00:05:00.260 It's going to win. 1.00

00:05:01.120 So, whatever the world is, like, shitting on and the gays are loving it. 1.00

00:05:04.580 I mean, look at Addison. 1.00

00:05:06.360 Exactly.

00:05:07.220 That's a perfect example.

00:05:08.720 Like, we have been on Addison.

00:05:10.180 When Obsessed came out, I was possessed.

00:05:13.160 Like, I was loving it and was like, what do you mean?

00:05:17.160 And you said people don't see it.

00:05:18.340 People don't see the art.

00:05:19.300 No.

00:05:19.580 And here she is.

00:05:21.340 That's true. 1.00

00:05:21.840 They're like, the gays are like, when they pick shit they like, especially music, artists, culture, they're kind of like that octopus. 1.00

00:05:28.740 They used to pick the World Cup winner. 1.00

00:05:30.580 You know what I mean?

00:05:31.280 They'd be like, is it real?

00:05:32.580 And I mean, he has no losses on the board.

00:05:35.220 I'm going to listen to him.

00:05:36.400 Like, you know what I mean?

00:05:37.120 Yes.

00:05:37.700 What they like, I'm going to listen to.

00:05:39.780 Exactly.

00:05:40.200 And they picked you.

00:05:40.880 Exactly.

00:05:41.620 And I remember seeing, like, a tweet once that was like, every gay is, like, born with essentially, like, not like a godmother, but like a woman that he will have to, or they will have to defend for the rest of their life, whether or not, like, life or death matters on it.

00:05:59.300 So it's, you know, I just, I really appreciate the way that, honestly, it's given me so much confidence over the years to, like, know I have a world there.

00:06:09.420 And gay people are, like, such a big part of my audience.

00:06:12.900 That's so true.

00:06:14.180 And they're geniuses.

00:06:15.280 Yeah, they really are. 1.00

00:06:16.220 And they know their shit. 1.00

00:06:17.180 They know who's fierce and who's not, like you were saying. 1.00

00:06:19.560 They do.

00:06:20.260 They do.

00:06:20.820 So, like, you guys are going to wish that you were on the ground floor.

00:06:24.000 Exactly.

00:06:25.300 Exactly.

00:06:25.920 And so how has it been now?

00:06:27.860 Like, how do you feel towards the music industry now?

00:06:31.340 Like, as far as, like, your evolution in your career and how you've kind of matured within the industry, honestly.

00:06:36.880 Like, kind of grew up in there.

00:06:37.920 So, like, how do you feel towards it now versus how you used to?

00:06:42.820 Ooh, that's an interesting question.

00:06:44.660 I mean, it's a weird place and it's changed so much and it's still, I was just having a conversation about, like, the way it is literally changing in its structure all the time.

00:06:59.560 And I think it's really exciting to watch pop have, like, the renaissance that it's having and see the way that, like, I remember six years ago in 2018, like, we were all vibing to rap music.

00:07:14.660 Which I love rap music.

00:07:17.340 But there were no girls.

00:07:19.000 Like, it felt like there were no, it felt like pop was in a place where it could really be pushed forward, which is funny because that's where you have, like, the Charlies and, like, Sophie and all of these, like, inventors of where pop is now kind of, like, kind of first having their seeds be sprouted.

00:07:38.600 So, it's just exciting to me to see pop be in a place where people are, like, really appreciating world building.

00:07:46.380 And I think, like, the Chapels and the Sabrinas and the Charlies and all of the girls that are out there right now are, like, really opening up a landscape to show that, like, people want to see you take a risk.

00:07:59.380 Like, people want to see you push them.

00:08:01.560 And that's something I've always known about my audience from, like, the jump when I started making my, the music I really wanted to.

00:08:09.660 And it's, it just makes me excited to keep going.

00:08:12.860 And I hope everyone sees this as an opportunity to, like, do more.

00:08:16.420 Yeah.

00:08:16.920 Do more.

00:08:17.660 Because people want it.

00:08:19.680 And that's such a good point.

00:08:21.180 And also, like, leaning into what makes you different as opposed to conforming, which is typically what goes the pop route or, like, women who are fitting a very specific mold. 1.00

00:08:30.900 Yeah.

00:08:31.040 But now it's, like, a renaissance, like you said, of pop where it's, like, they're almost craving something completely different than people haven't seen before.

00:08:38.540 Yeah.

00:08:38.880 Which is also, like, nice because I think there was a period where, like, TikTok started popping off.

00:08:43.980 And TikTok is huge for music still.

00:08:46.480 And I don't get it.

00:08:48.820 Yeah.

00:08:49.220 I don't, I drive, but I, like, just watch and learn.

00:08:53.620 But it's nice to see people, I feel like, time and time again, no matter who tells me it's not true, like, people appreciate an album.

00:09:02.080 Even people will say time and time again, music videos don't have a return on investment.

00:09:06.380 Like, yes, they do.

00:09:07.220 Yeah.

00:09:07.980 Like, they.

00:09:09.180 Especially on social media.

00:09:10.240 Yes.

00:09:10.600 All what people pass around time and time again.

00:09:14.240 And I see it with, like, Gaga music videos from 10 years ago.

00:09:17.760 Right.

00:09:17.880 Like, Lana music videos from 10 years ago.

00:09:19.740 Like, people pass around something that shows you who they are.

00:09:24.300 Yeah, totally.

00:09:25.040 And identify with that.

00:09:26.060 And, like, that's, that's what raised me are those girls. 0.99

00:09:28.920 So it's really exciting to, I don't know, be in a place where I can be, like, see, I told you we needed to do that.

00:09:34.820 Yeah.

00:09:35.720 And be right.

00:09:36.500 You know.

00:09:36.880 Yeah.

00:09:37.260 I mean, the trust, like, music videos, as an independent artist, like, it's not easy to put something like that out.

00:09:43.220 Yeah.

00:09:43.620 Because.

00:09:44.240 I bet.

00:09:44.920 It's expensive.

00:09:46.100 For sure.

00:09:46.520 And I look at my bank account.

00:09:49.200 And that dictates what I can do.

00:09:51.440 Yeah.

00:09:51.660 And it's just really, like, exciting to see people embrace that because it lets me do more.

00:10:01.100 I was going to ask, too, like, what were some of your pop influences?

00:10:03.640 But you mentioned Lady Gaga.

00:10:05.340 That's my mommy. 0.99

00:10:06.600 Yeah.

00:10:06.900 Lady Gaga.

00:10:07.360 That's my other mommy. 1.00

00:10:08.060 I was obsessed with her.

00:10:10.620 Really? 0.88

00:10:10.860 Every time I look back, because my sister's a lesbian. 1.00

00:10:13.080 But every time I look back, and I'm obviously not, I just fucking hate men. 0.99

00:10:17.680 But at least once an episode, I have to mention that my sister's a lesbian. 1.00

00:10:20.560 Anyways.

00:10:21.420 That's just part of my thing.

00:10:23.140 That's my hidden Mickey.

00:10:25.260 My hidden Mickey in every episode. 0.92

00:10:26.600 It's mentioning Dacen's lesbian.

00:10:29.820 Anyways.

00:10:30.740 So my gay sister and I were, like, every time I look back, because when my sister first came out to me, I was like, what?

00:10:38.220 I would have known.

00:10:40.020 When I look back, I'm like, well, yeah.

00:10:42.400 Yeah.

00:10:42.880 Because we learned the entire bad romance choreography in 2009.

00:10:47.040 And we would do it all the time.

00:10:48.700 Like, we would play the music.

00:10:49.680 We'd be like, hey, play it, play it, play it.

00:10:50.800 And then we would do it.

00:10:51.540 And we would record ourselves doing it.

00:10:52.980 So, you know.

00:10:53.980 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:54.360 A lot of the shit I love. 1.00

00:10:55.460 I've always loved, like, especially culturally, has been what women and gay people love always. 1.00

00:11:00.900 Yes.

00:11:01.360 And like you said, they're always right.

00:11:03.060 They're always right.

00:11:04.300 Lesbians love Gaga. 1.00

00:11:05.720 They do.

00:11:06.340 Every single one of them that I know.

00:11:07.960 We all, like, there's, yeah, there's, there's, like, societal counterpoints that you can be like, okay, yes, that makes sense.

00:11:16.440 Another diva that they picked and everyone shat on when she was first out. 1.00

00:11:20.060 And when you look back at, like, old, like, early day Gaga videos. 0.99

00:11:25.880 Even just, like, the random shit she was doing. 0.96

00:11:28.900 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:29.320 Because she was doing a lot of crazy random shit. 1.00

00:11:31.900 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:32.600 Like, the references and the things she was putting in front of, like, such a large mass scale of people are shocking.

00:11:40.680 Yeah.

00:11:40.900 It's literally, like, so far ahead of her time.

00:11:43.040 It's scary.

00:11:43.720 Yes.

00:11:44.100 And it's so sick. 1.00

00:11:44.340 It's like, this bitch was living 25 years in the future. 1.00

00:11:47.060 Yes. 1.00

00:11:47.720 It's sick.

00:11:48.660 It is.

00:11:49.000 It's sick to know that, like, a 22-year-old or 24-year-old, however she was when she did, like, paparazzi and bad romance and all those, like, it's so cool to know that, like, guys, people have been ready for this for years.

00:12:04.300 I mean, Madonna, like, it goes, Bowie, it goes so far back for what people are down for.

00:12:08.600 But, yeah, Gaga is a huge influence for me, Madonna, Gwen, honestly, like, early, like, Gwen Stefani, Orange County Girl, and Lana.

00:12:18.600 Those are, like, my love, my four mothers.

00:12:22.360 Yeah.

00:12:23.180 And not to pivot, but kind of to pivot, I'd love to talk about your boiler room sets.

00:12:26.920 Sure.

00:12:27.140 I'd love to know how you got into DJing.

00:12:28.980 How do you like it?

00:12:30.500 Like, what drew you to it?

00:12:32.140 Obviously, other than the gay underworld, because I know, and by that I mean underground. 1.00

00:12:36.180 The underworld. 0.96

00:12:36.740 They do love it. 1.00

00:12:38.160 The gay satanic underworld. 1.00

00:12:40.280 And I'm all in there. 0.99

00:12:41.480 Trust me.

00:12:42.000 Me too.

00:12:42.720 I know that it's huge for them, but I feel like boiler room is kind of moving to, like, people are starting to see it a lot more now because it's traveling around on social media.

00:12:51.160 So I'd love to know how you got into DJing.

00:12:53.380 I started DJing, like, I think it was at the end of, like, probably this time, 2017, which was seven years ago, six years ago. 0.99

00:13:03.240 Oh, damn. 0.97

00:13:03.800 And I started at my ex's house. 1.00

00:13:07.080 Naturally.

00:13:07.660 As you do. 0.99

00:13:09.160 Surrounded by a bunch of lesbians. 1.00

00:13:11.480 And basically someone just had a controller and would, like, kind of play at house parties and just, like, nights where we would all hang out.

00:13:18.320 Yeah.

00:13:18.520 And I just wanted to try it and thought it was cool and thought it was, like, could be something really fun.

00:13:26.360 And I started just doing that.

00:13:29.160 And then I started playing, like, little L.A. raves and, like, parties around town.

00:13:36.740 Like, there used to be this night called Candy Pop at this place called The Satellite that's no longer existing.

00:13:42.420 But I would just, like, I mean, that's kind of how you start DJing is literally, like, I'm a DJ now.

00:13:47.840 And I would like to play.

00:13:49.840 Right.

00:13:50.340 And see who believes you.

00:13:51.660 Yeah, girl, please let me come and play. 0.54

00:13:53.280 And I remember, like, my first few gigs, like, I was clueless because you get up there and now you're not on a tiny controller.

00:13:59.540 You're on, like, CDJs, which are, like, big and a lot more buttons.

00:14:03.780 And so I really just learned through, like, playing gigs over the last six years and practicing some more.

00:14:10.780 And it's been, like, a thing that I think not a lot of people have known about.

00:14:16.380 Yeah.

00:14:16.660 But that's been a big part of my life and love.

00:14:19.400 I love it.

00:14:20.260 I love your sets.

00:14:21.300 I mean, I love to play.

00:14:23.380 Boiler Room was something I was really surprised to get an offer for at that point because that's, like, I've been such a huge fan of electronic music for so long.

00:14:32.140 Like, I remember being 12 and hearing, like, Skrillex's Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites that my little brother put me on to and being, like, this is crazy.

00:14:42.300 Like, music can sound like this?

00:14:45.360 What?

00:14:46.080 And so it's been something that I've loved for so long.

00:14:50.340 And it was just so cool to get the offer to do it.

00:14:53.100 I was so scared to do it.

00:14:54.700 I bet.

00:14:55.400 But it went off.

00:14:57.580 And how was the energy in there while you're doing it live?

00:15:00.140 It was crazy.

00:15:00.300 It was literally, like, 6 p.m.

00:15:03.460 Was it really?

00:15:04.480 Yes. 1.00

00:15:05.120 Damn. 0.99

00:15:05.680 So I was nervous because I was like, hmm, I'm in Washington, D.C. 0.99

00:15:08.680 It's 6 p.m.

00:15:10.320 Gay people don't leave their house before 6 p.m. 1.00

00:15:12.780 Who's going to be in this crowd? 0.98

00:15:15.040 I'm scared.

00:15:16.320 I was scared.

00:15:17.300 I was scared, for sure.

00:15:18.500 And I went up there and, like, 15 minutes in my set, someone offered me poppers next to me.

00:15:24.420 And I was like, girl, it's literally 6 p.m.

00:15:28.640 You saw it and you said, I'm home.

00:15:31.840 I was so excited that someone asked me.

00:15:34.620 But I was like, no.

00:15:35.980 You said honored, but no, thank you.

00:15:37.180 No, thank you.

00:15:37.540 I don't like poppers, personally.

00:15:39.420 They give me a headache.

00:15:40.420 Right.

00:15:41.500 I don't know if you've ever done poppers.

00:15:42.760 I've actually never done poppers, no.

00:15:44.200 Okay, well, I've brought some.

00:15:45.560 Well, that brings us to our sponsor for today. 0.99

00:15:49.660 The gay person who offers you poppers. 1.00

00:15:51.880 But it was crazy. 0.98

00:15:53.920 I mean, the barricades, like, broke in the middle of the set.

00:15:56.940 So you see, like, security behind me trying to, like, get everyone off the stage.

00:16:00.600 The CDJs also were literally, like, moving like this throughout the whole set because it was just so lit in there.

00:16:08.540 It was crazy. 0.99

00:16:09.280 Damn. 0.99

00:16:09.560 People were just, like, ready to go. 1.00

00:16:11.360 I said, I got this bitch jumping. 1.00

00:16:12.860 Damn. 1.00

00:16:13.660 But they were, like, they were ready from the beginning. 1.00

00:16:15.640 I love it.

00:16:16.020 And I just get excited because I, like, I spend usually the week before I do a set literally just, like, deep on SoundCloud looking for the, like, most unhinged remixes I can find.

00:16:26.720 Like, I opened the set with this Hannah Montana Nobody's Perfect, like, 150 hard techno remix.

00:16:35.400 Naturally.

00:16:36.360 Exactly.

00:16:36.720 And I heard it and immediately was, like, this is what I will play first.

00:16:41.400 And it's just cool to see.

00:16:43.640 I opened with that knowing, like, y'all are either going to get this or you're not.

00:16:47.340 Yeah.

00:16:47.760 And immediately people were in and I was, like, okay.

00:16:50.040 Love.

00:16:50.420 Good vibes then.

00:16:51.520 Yeah.

00:16:51.740 How would you compare performing, like, sets as a DJ versus, like, singing like a performer?

00:16:57.460 It's so different.

00:16:58.580 It's so different.

00:16:59.380 I mean, I have a live show that has dancers and choreography and props and boobs. 0.99

00:17:06.280 And can I say, when Rebecca Black does choreography, bitch, she does choreography. 1.00

00:17:10.940 Thank you. 1.00

00:17:11.440 With a capital C, bitch. 1.00

00:17:12.980 Thank you. 1.00

00:17:13.720 Thank you. 1.00

00:17:13.800 You're up there moving, bitch. 1.00

00:17:15.500 Period. 1.00

00:17:16.020 I try.

00:17:16.600 I try.

00:17:16.900 Yeah.

00:17:17.000 I love it.

00:17:17.820 I mean, I've been working with this choreographer, Richie Jackson, who did, like, Bad Romance and,

00:17:22.700 like, all the early Gaga stuff that he just, like, gets what I want to do.

00:17:28.020 And we work so well together and I live for that.

00:17:31.500 But DJ sets are so I am in.

00:17:35.660 Like, I'm not looking around.

00:17:37.420 I watched that Boiler Room set and I was like, girl, have some fun.

00:17:41.080 You're like, you look sad, Queen.

00:17:42.480 You look so serious.

00:17:45.240 I'm not trying to be cool.

00:17:46.640 Like, I am literally just, like, where is everything?

00:17:49.940 You're locked in.

00:17:50.960 I'm locked in.

00:17:52.400 And so it can, it just is so, it's so different.

00:17:56.280 It's literally just me.

00:17:57.420 I walk up there.

00:17:58.320 I do my thing.

00:17:59.140 I go.

00:18:00.780 And with, like, a live set, like, and also that's the difference with DJing is I don't

00:18:05.140 really plan my sets out.

00:18:06.700 Like, I plan my first song and I might plan my last song and everything else I just kind 0.55

00:18:12.220 of, like, throw a bunch of shit in there and I'm like, let's see what I feel. 0.96

00:18:14.980 Because I like to see what the room wants. 1.00

00:18:16.780 What the vibe is.

00:18:17.880 Yeah.

00:18:18.260 Okay, period.

00:18:20.060 And with a live show, like, it's, you know, we know what we're doing to the minute and

00:18:24.360 the second.

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:25.180 So it's just, like, a different kind of adrenaline.

00:18:29.680 DJing I get way more adrenaline, I think, beforehand because I'm like, what is going to happen

00:18:34.980 out there?

00:18:35.480 Probably, too, because it's, like, you're a vibe curator at that point.

00:18:39.240 Yes.

00:18:39.520 The energy is consistent on you.

00:18:41.260 Yes.

00:18:41.460 Right?

00:18:42.100 Exactly.

00:18:42.600 Whereas, like, my live show, I'm like, you come and you get it or you don't.

00:18:46.040 And that's not my problem.

00:18:48.100 Take it or leave it.

00:18:49.100 Yeah.

00:18:49.520 And DJ, it's like, please like me.

00:18:51.300 Is anyone unhappy?

00:18:52.400 It's like throwing a party.

00:18:53.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:54.220 You're hosting the party.

00:18:55.060 So you're like, I hope you're having a good time.

00:18:58.960 Can someone let me know if you're not?

00:19:00.500 Yeah.

00:19:01.380 Honestly.

00:19:02.000 Honestly.

00:19:03.040 But yeah, it's different.

00:19:04.540 But I like having both.

00:19:06.240 And I was honestly, like, scared to DJ, I think, for a long time on bigger stages because

00:19:12.520 I was like, I am relinquishing a piece of control into, like, technology.

00:19:17.960 Which, again, with my show, I'm like, even if the whole system fails, I'll just be like,

00:19:22.100 hello.

00:19:22.740 Yeah.

00:19:23.600 And I can, like, make it up from there. 0.86

00:19:25.380 Whereas I think with tech, like, CDJs, there's always something fucked up in there. 0.91

00:19:30.760 Yeah, I bet.

00:19:30.960 Like, something always weird happens.

00:19:33.020 So it's, you know, it's fun.

00:19:34.560 I will ask, too, when it comes to DJing, it's a very male-dominated field.

00:19:38.600 Like, how has it been navigating that as a woman?

00:19:41.880 It's...

00:19:42.240 And a queer woman on top of that. 1.00

00:19:43.520 It's weird.

00:19:44.340 Yeah.

00:19:45.020 It's weird.

00:19:45.560 And then throw the fact that you're Rebecca Black on top of that and it's a little bit

00:19:47.900 weirder.

00:19:48.100 Yeah, I mean, that's what was so interesting about Boiler Room is, like, I did that knowing

00:19:55.280 that, okay, either people are really going to have opinions on this or they're not going

00:20:00.300 to care and that's totally fine, too.

00:20:03.480 And I think it was fascinating to see a couple clips, like, get posted from Boiler Room before

00:20:09.300 the set even went live.

00:20:10.640 And everyone was like, oh, not another celebrity DJ who, like, doesn't know what she's doing

00:20:15.460 and, like, is not pressing any buttons or whatever.

00:20:18.100 And it was just, like, a very fast kind of, this is not going to be good.

00:20:24.260 Yep.

00:20:24.660 Even though they'd seen maybe, like, 15 seconds of an hour-long set.

00:20:28.420 Yeah.

00:20:29.160 And it's fascinating to watch the, like, electronic world and dance world, I think, is still, like,

00:20:37.680 very largely gatekept.

00:20:39.220 And I get it.

00:20:40.240 It's in this place where, like, people are really embracing dance music and queer people

00:20:44.620 are really, like, being, I think, pushed to the forefront thanks to a lot of, like, amazing

00:20:49.940 trans DJs and drag DJs and even, like, someone like Charlie, like, bringing Boiler Room and,

00:20:55.980 like, that kind of music to the forefront.

00:20:59.180 But a lot of, like, white boys had a lot of thoughts and opinions.

00:21:03.100 Oh, I bet.

00:21:03.980 Don't they always?

00:21:04.100 I just wanted them to listen to the set.

00:21:05.960 For me, I'm just like, the set's not out.

00:21:08.840 So I don't know what you've watched.

00:21:10.920 And also, do you know how to do it?

00:21:12.940 Like, I always think, like, I'm here and you're there.

00:21:15.560 So, like, one of us is clearly more skilled than the other at the craft.

00:21:19.960 That's why I'm like, you're never truly alone because there's always a man waiting to tell you something you could have done better.

00:21:24.760 Always.

00:21:25.620 There's critique waiting for you.

00:21:27.320 Always.

00:21:27.900 Always.

00:21:28.540 And at this point, like, I think being on the internet for so long, I love to watch the conversation happen.

00:21:37.120 Like, I will sit back and just let, I feel like Regina George and Mean Girls where, like, I'm like, I just give you, I gave you the info.

00:21:44.520 Yeah, standing there on an off the shoulder top.

00:21:45.980 This isn't about me, really.

00:21:47.980 Like, if you want to feel, like, big and mighty on yourself as a boob, boop? 0.78

00:21:52.360 Man?

00:21:52.940 I meant to say man.

00:21:54.520 Hello? 0.94

00:21:55.200 As a boob.

00:21:58.100 Or a munch, if you will.

00:21:59.960 A munch. 0.99

00:22:00.160 As a munch.

00:22:00.780 As a munch.

00:22:02.400 Live your truth.

00:22:03.500 Right.

00:22:03.780 But, like, I think, if anything, these conversations are only, like, lighting the fire under all of the women in music and gay people and, like, marginalized people in music to, like, fight for their voices harder.

00:22:20.260 Right.

00:22:20.420 So, good luck.

00:22:22.440 Yeah.

00:22:22.820 I was like, well, you guys have the chain smuggers, so go look at them.

00:22:25.900 Like, you don't have to look over here.

00:22:27.260 Love.

00:22:27.780 Nobody's looking over.

00:22:28.760 Go over there.

00:22:29.560 That's okay.

00:22:30.160 Exactly.

00:22:30.480 I'm not saying you can't go watch him.

00:22:32.840 Totally.

00:22:33.340 Them.

00:22:33.520 Totally.

00:22:34.100 There's two of them, right?

00:22:34.940 Yeah.

00:22:35.240 Obviously.

00:22:35.860 It's plural.

00:22:36.900 I don't know.

00:22:37.260 You could point to any two white guys and I'd be like, that could be the chain smuggers.

00:22:39.840 It could be Glenn Powell.

00:22:40.940 For all we know, it could be both.

00:22:42.440 You know?

00:22:43.540 Exactly.

00:22:43.860 But that's actually a good transition into, I want to talk to you about dealing with hate

00:22:47.320 online because you're a seasoned vet, I feel like, as am I.

00:22:50.620 No.

00:22:52.340 No.

00:22:52.880 Why did something happen on social media that I should be familiar with?

00:22:56.420 I must have been napping.

00:22:58.540 Yeah.

00:22:58.900 I don't know who that was, but I would love to, first off, before we talk about that,

00:23:03.220 I do want to commend you and I find, I admire you greatly just for your, obviously you're

00:23:07.900 very real and valid talent, but also for how you've like grown throughout the industry

00:23:13.960 and how you've like really like in a, in a very awful time on the internet, you're, 0.98

00:23:19.660 you're still fucking doing it, man. 0.96

00:23:21.140 Like you're still here. 1.00

00:23:22.080 You're still fucking succeeding. 1.00

00:23:23.600 Like that shit did not slow you down. 1.00

00:23:25.220 Not even one bit. 1.00

00:23:26.180 So I want to give you your flowers for that. 0.98

00:23:27.760 Cause it's fucking hard. 0.92

00:23:28.620 Like, especially online, especially at the time. 0.98

00:23:31.280 Right.

00:23:31.680 Like the way it was like unparalleled hate, like, like on another level.

00:23:36.440 Right.

00:23:36.800 So you've experienced what very few do.

00:23:38.860 I feel like, and you're still here and you're succeeding.

00:23:41.600 Thank you. 0.99

00:23:42.600 Because, and where the fuck are those people at? 0.98

00:23:44.720 Exactly. 0.99

00:23:45.620 Well, they are at the chain smoker sets naturally, you know, and no hate to the chain

00:23:50.500 smokers.

00:23:51.360 I'll give you hate. 0.99

00:23:51.980 I don't know.

00:23:53.520 I'm just kidding.

00:23:55.040 I don't know.

00:23:55.660 Are you a bad guy?

00:23:56.420 Let me know.

00:23:57.640 Let me know.

00:23:58.880 The jury will check back in with me, but I do want to give you your flowers for that.

00:24:02.800 I just think, I think you're incredibly strong and talented and courageous.

00:24:06.800 And I'm so, I commend you for not letting that stop you from putting your art onto the

00:24:12.180 world.

00:24:12.480 It would have been a disservice to the world.

00:24:14.080 Thank you.

00:24:14.600 As you not kept going.

00:24:15.540 So I think you're amazing.

00:24:17.080 But I do want to talk, ask you about hate, like how, how have you been able to kind of

00:24:22.180 process and keep going throughout your career?

00:24:25.340 Yeah.

00:24:25.600 I mean, it honestly has been, well, it's been something I've done a lot of therapy on and

00:24:33.060 I have, God, I've talked about this so much and sometimes I really don't even know what

00:24:38.500 to say.

00:24:38.780 But I think I am lucky to have an urge to dissociate at times and that has been one of the protective

00:24:50.040 mechanisms that has really helped me and also probably hindered me at moments of growth.

00:24:55.400 Um, I think it's, it's really the big, like challenge that I had to face within myself

00:25:03.700 was just being as young as I was.

00:25:06.260 Like I was 13 years old when Friday happened.

00:25:09.900 I never know how to say that.

00:25:11.500 Like when Friday hit the, hit the second tower, I don't know. 1.00

00:25:15.600 And that's mine too, bitch. 1.00

00:25:20.740 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:25:21.880 Oh no, I'm sorry.

00:25:26.060 I'm sorry.

00:25:26.720 I'm sorry.

00:25:27.280 It's the only way to get through it.

00:25:28.840 I promise you that.

00:25:29.780 But anyway, I like, I being that young and having so many people, um, be so quick to be

00:25:37.100 like, you did a really bad thing. 0.99

00:25:40.340 Like you really fucked up. 0.99

00:25:42.320 Which is like what? 0.99

00:25:44.620 Exactly.

00:25:45.440 Was it bad or did you just like not care for it?

00:25:47.720 Like those are two very different trains of thought.

00:25:49.860 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:50.440 People on the internet really use the internet as a tool to like unleash their frustrations.

00:25:57.940 And I think at the time.

00:25:59.080 And project.

00:25:59.740 Yes.

00:26:00.240 At the time I didn't know this being that I was a kid, but, um, yeah, I just, I took,

00:26:07.820 I think I was in a place where I had no sense of self and I was just like trying to figure

00:26:11.960 it out.

00:26:12.640 Like I was.

00:26:13.320 Well, cause you're a child.

00:26:14.540 I was, you know, in the eighth grade.

00:26:16.700 Um, and being that young, it just was really hard to, I think, develop like a, uh, identity

00:26:26.080 that wasn't based around what other people thought of me and being accepted.

00:26:30.400 And so that's been a challenge and doing that in an industry where like people hate women

00:26:36.560 a lot of the time and, um, have such unreasonable expectations of, of women, um, just made that 0.95

00:26:44.420 even harder.

00:26:45.520 Yeah.

00:26:45.960 I've had, I have crazy, crazy stories about crazy people I could tell for many days, but,

00:26:50.500 um, I just feel really lucky again to like have always had, even when at times it was

00:26:56.880 maybe two people online rooting for me and being like, you got this.

00:27:02.240 Um, I feel really lucky to have them.

00:27:03.740 And, and also to be in a place where like, I would not be where I am now if it weren't

00:27:09.240 for the people who I've met in the industry over the past few years who have been like,

00:27:14.640 no go, like you got it, I'll step back, I'll help you out, but like do what you gotta do.

00:27:21.300 Um, and it's so, it like paid and opinions and, and all of that, like just feel so outside

00:27:31.300 of my orbit.

00:27:32.780 And like, I, I think that's great.

00:27:35.080 I think I, I've watched so many people on the internet, like really struggle with, with,

00:27:39.380 um, criticism and it's not even criticism, like criticism is one thing.

00:27:44.240 And hate, hate and, and like the cancellation and everything.

00:27:48.540 And like, it feels like a war that you have to win by like saying the last word.

00:27:53.000 Right.

00:27:53.120 Exactly.

00:27:53.640 Yeah.

00:27:54.000 What I've learned is like the last word is being so unbothered by it.

00:27:59.440 Yeah.

00:27:59.900 And I feel grateful to like be at a place where like, I'm pretty unbothered.

00:28:06.800 Yeah.

00:28:07.400 To a degree.

00:28:08.040 Period.

00:28:08.740 Um, and, and yeah, and that's a good thing. 0.98

00:28:11.840 And that's fucking awesome. 0.96

00:28:13.100 That's it. 0.98

00:28:13.200 And it's like, and damn near impossible.

00:28:14.840 Like sometimes when, you know, uh, there's criticism about like influencers, for example,

00:28:20.120 cause I'm a dickhead influencer, but when like, there's criticism about it and they're 0.98

00:28:24.140 like, Oh, you know, when influencers complained about shit, um, it's annoying. 0.98

00:28:28.340 Like I would get, I would die to do something like that, which I'm always like, I get it. 0.99

00:28:32.220 Trust me. 0.99

00:28:32.500 I worked a lot of fucking regular ass jobs before I did this. 0.99

00:28:35.080 So I get it. 0.99

00:28:35.700 This is not by any means the hardest job in the world. 0.99

00:28:37.740 Um, but sometimes when people say that shit, I'm like, you think that you think anybody 0.99

00:28:43.580 could do this? 0.99

00:28:44.260 Yeah.

00:28:44.400 You think that.

00:28:45.120 Cause all you see is the good stuff, the fun stuff.

00:28:47.580 Right.

00:28:47.980 I was like, but what you don't see is when everybody turns on you.

00:28:51.420 And I said, that's a feeling I wouldn't wish on anybody to be quite honest with you.

00:28:55.860 It's, it's truly awful.

00:28:56.780 And like, Oh, having only done this for like the last three, four years, like obviously 0.60

00:29:01.120 given my niche, it's to be expected that I will get hate when I run and punch someone

00:29:07.200 in the back of the head, I have to expect they're going to turn around and want to swing

00:29:09.580 too. 0.92

00:29:10.440 That's just typically what happens when I attack awful men.

00:29:13.100 But like, so if I thought like getting hate was like, like that kind of hate was, you 0.94

00:29:18.200 know, unfair to me or whatever, that would make me a hypocrite.

00:29:21.420 But I always tell people, I'm like, every time y'all think of hate, you only think of 0.65

00:29:24.500 like trolls, right?

00:29:25.660 Like just trolls, which are a facet of hate, obviously.

00:29:29.260 But the other side of hate you don't see is like hate that's disguised as like valid

00:29:34.140 or it's disguised as like, Oh, this is a reasonable, like way for me to talk about 0.95

00:29:39.580 how much I fucking hate someone I don't know. 0.98

00:29:41.400 Right. 0.99

00:29:41.700 Which is, I think insane. 0.99

00:29:44.060 Like, I think you're insane. 0.90

00:29:45.400 Like, how old are you? 0.99

00:29:46.660 I'm 27.

00:29:48.180 27.

00:29:48.800 You're not even knowing.

00:29:49.700 Okay.

00:29:50.100 So I'm 29.

00:29:50.620 So we grew up on the internet around the same time.

00:29:53.480 So like, I've never in all my years of being a voyeur on the internet before I became this 0.98

00:29:59.140 person, like, I've never been like, I'm gonna leave a fucking hate comment. 0.85

00:30:03.900 I've never been that person. 0.96

00:30:05.120 So I can't even relate.

00:30:06.580 Yeah.

00:30:06.940 To that kind of like energy.

00:30:08.460 Yeah.

00:30:08.840 No, same.

00:30:09.340 Like at all.

00:30:09.980 Any sort of unsolicited, I literally cannot relate to it.

00:30:12.760 So I, it's, it, it's like what you said, like, there's really no rhyme or reason to it.

00:30:18.380 And there's, and trying to figure out why or trying to fix why is like, you're going to

00:30:23.300 be chasing ghosts forever.

00:30:24.560 There's just no way.

00:30:25.460 Because everyone, someone's going to hate you regardless.

00:30:27.660 Yeah.

00:30:28.260 I mean, they'll, like, we're all figures to people and we're all not real.

00:30:33.040 Like, I, there was actually this one thing I did years ago.

00:30:36.860 There was a show that aired for like three episodes and I think it was called Hater.

00:30:42.240 And it was like some random CW, like kind of coming out of the early 2000s, trash reality

00:30:48.780 TV situations where there were like all those really bizarre shows.

00:30:52.780 And basically, um, kind of like, like punked or like one of those type.

00:30:57.640 And, uh, they had me shoot an episode for it.

00:31:01.160 And I was probably 15 or 14 at the time where basically you would have, they would find,

00:31:06.760 they would cast like a real, like hater.

00:31:10.380 That's crazy.

00:31:11.760 And like.

00:31:12.300 I've already checked out.

00:31:13.700 Oh, I'm not doing that.

00:31:14.900 And every episode, like I think Kim Kardashian did an episode, a few other people.

00:31:19.500 And you would spend the day with a hater.

00:31:23.560 And doing what?

00:31:24.600 Running errands.

00:31:26.100 Basically.

00:31:27.000 Painting the towel.

00:31:27.900 Basically.

00:31:28.980 And the whole point was to like, in some very unsettling way, like get this hater to humanize

00:31:36.520 with you and for the person to humanize with the hater or whatever.

00:31:40.000 And so I did this.

00:31:41.480 Like I spent the day with this.

00:31:43.860 I think it was a woman in her like late 20s, early 30s. 0.87

00:31:47.100 Huh?

00:31:47.900 When you're 14.

00:31:48.580 Yeah.

00:31:48.800 Huh?

00:31:49.540 Yeah.

00:31:50.360 And we had a conversation at the end of the interview where like I basically was like

00:31:56.080 fully in tears.

00:31:57.560 Like not understanding why this girl was just like going off.

00:32:02.660 At you?

00:32:03.460 At me.

00:32:04.180 Yeah.

00:32:04.340 The whole day.

00:32:04.800 Why?

00:32:05.040 It was just like I hate.

00:32:07.500 I mean back in hindsight.

00:32:08.760 Like just in general conversation?

00:32:10.520 Oh yeah. 1.00

00:32:10.820 Like she's just like, oh I fucking hate you. 1.00

00:32:12.400 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:13.060 What?

00:32:14.540 No.

00:32:15.080 Hey what?

00:32:15.620 I would love to rewatch this footage.

00:32:17.480 But basically at the end of the point I'm getting to is at the end of the day we got

00:32:23.760 to this conversation where she, something literally like clicked in her brain and she was like,

00:32:30.980 I didn't think you were real.

00:32:32.600 Like I didn't think you were a real person.

00:32:34.500 And it took 12 hours of literally being next to this girl like in every Uber we were together,

00:32:42.660 like in every, or whatever it was. 0.90

00:32:44.600 Like we were, she just couldn't get this like out of her mouth of like, I hate you.

00:32:51.380 It's so unfair.

00:32:52.160 And then we probably got into this whole conversation, blah, blah, blah.

00:32:55.000 But it's really real that people don't, they really see you as like, you're there for their

00:33:03.420 entertainment, you know, which I get it.

00:33:05.340 Like I'm a pop star.

00:33:07.060 Like I'm there to entertain and do, you know, choreo for you and make you feel good about

00:33:13.520 yourself and escape and all of that.

00:33:15.120 Um, but the depths that people take it to is, I'm just like, I, and I promise I'm not

00:33:22.840 laughing at you.

00:33:23.720 I just find it absurd that like a woman in her aunt, like thirties is going like, God, 1.00

00:33:29.860 I fucking hate this kid. 1.00

00:33:31.220 Get a load of this guy. 1.00

00:33:32.240 Like just the thought of her sitting there with a camera.

00:33:34.220 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:34.620 I fucking, yeah. 1.00

00:33:35.360 I hate you. 1.00

00:33:36.320 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:37.080 Something about you just really makes me mad.

00:33:39.360 Like, I don't know.

00:33:41.280 It never aired, but I would love, I just would love if anyone knows.

00:33:44.940 I, and you know what?

00:33:45.840 I'm glad they didn't.

00:33:46.940 Cause it's a really horrible look.

00:33:49.380 Totally. 1.00

00:33:50.020 Like, honestly, I wish, I wish they did just to show how fucking stupid people like that 1.00

00:33:57.140 look when they're like, they're airing out what they feel is something very valid. 1.00

00:34:02.460 And then to say it out loud, it's like reading your hate comment out loud to the person you

00:34:06.640 wrote it on. 1.00

00:34:07.140 Like, yeah, do you hear how fucking dumb you sound? 1.00

00:34:10.060 Like, do you hear how mentally unwell you sound in this comment? 1.00

00:34:13.140 It's misplaced.

00:34:14.020 It's definitely misplaced.

00:34:15.540 And like, I, I get, I get why the internet is like a place for people to use their anonymity

00:34:21.340 to kind of like, you know, again, like unleash whatever it is on people.

00:34:25.740 But there's so, there's so many other ways we can work that out, girl.

00:34:30.480 Like, I, I think it's exciting that we're in a place where clear, like times are weird.

00:34:37.000 The energy in the air, not great right now in the world.

00:34:41.400 And I think people are looking for a way to cope and seeing the way that like dance music

00:34:45.540 and pop music and like everything can be a real, a real escape, like a real unleashing

00:34:51.720 of energy, a real, like, like voodoo doll that you can use on yourself to, to experience joy,

00:34:59.840 experience joy and like find community.

00:35:02.600 Absolutely.

00:35:03.180 That I'm, I'm hoping in time we're in a place where things will work itself out.

00:35:08.720 But I'm, I'm not always, you know, confident, confident.

00:35:13.180 Yeah.

00:35:13.580 Yeah.

00:35:13.780 And the internet doesn't help with that either.

00:35:15.840 No.

00:35:16.060 And I, and it's funny too, because I like in a few interviews I've done, I've like talked

00:35:19.720 about like the highs and lows of the internet.

00:35:22.200 Cause obviously like given what I do, I see very awful parts of it.

00:35:26.460 And I've like said before, I'm like, I think the internet, like, like most things in the

00:35:31.160 world, like as much good as it comes with, it comes with a lot of bad too.

00:35:34.260 But I feel like the good definitely outweighs the bad in a lot of ways.

00:35:37.660 Yeah.

00:35:37.780 So that's why I'm always like, as much as the internet pisses me the fuck off sometimes,

00:35:41.600 like for the most part, generally speaking, it can be a really beautiful place to find

00:35:47.320 community or to build audiences.

00:35:49.060 And like, I even had Mary Beth Brown on my show not too long ago and she is a comic and 0.96

00:35:55.980 she's been a comic for a long time.

00:35:57.220 And so she was saying like, she loves the internet because it allows people to build audiences

00:36:02.260 like on their own.

00:36:03.540 Whereas like before you'd have to go these very traditional routes that are very exclusionary.

00:36:07.780 And they don't include a lot of people.

00:36:08.980 So like, I've said that before too, like if I didn't have the internet, like chances

00:36:12.820 are someone who looks like me and talks like me and thinks like me wouldn't be given a

00:36:16.640 platform to be able to like reach an audience.

00:36:19.200 So it's kind of like, you have to build it yourself.

00:36:20.340 And I think that's what you've done.

00:36:21.400 And like, because of your consistency and your talent, like you've been able to establish

00:36:25.480 a very long time fan base.

00:36:27.320 It's just growing and growing and growing with time.

00:36:29.220 Yeah.

00:36:29.420 And now you just have people being like, I've been known about her.

00:36:32.100 I knew back in 2010.

00:36:33.920 And girl, I knew you were there because again, there weren't many.

00:36:37.100 So I know your names.

00:36:38.600 I know everything about you.

00:36:41.760 You ever had any weird fan interactions?

00:36:44.260 Oh yeah.

00:36:44.940 Or rude.

00:36:46.080 Oh yeah.

00:36:46.600 Yeah.

00:36:46.780 They're extremely rude sometimes.

00:36:48.300 Well, actually my, my fans, I think are truly like some of the coolest people I've ever met.

00:36:55.740 You're right.

00:36:56.240 We should distinguish.

00:36:57.620 People who recognize you and then there's fans.

00:36:59.800 Yes.

00:37:00.160 Yeah.

00:37:00.500 Yes.

00:37:00.900 I've never had like a, I'm trying to think if I've had for like a rude fan moment, even

00:37:05.340 though that would be fierce, honestly, if someone was just like brashing through.

00:37:10.440 Yeah.

00:37:11.180 But no, I've, what I've heard from, from people who come to my shows and, and who I've met

00:37:15.400 is like that the, it's such a welcoming energy, which is, which I think is like on, that comes

00:37:22.440 from what we set forth and like the, you know, kind of rhetoric that we give our people

00:37:29.320 because that, that is the thing is like, you are building an audience and cultivating like

00:37:33.040 an environment.

00:37:34.060 And even though I don't think we're entirely responsible for every, you know, every little

00:37:39.100 action that everyone can make, cause that would be impossible.

00:37:42.180 And I think there is something to be said about how safe your fans feel in your audience,

00:37:46.940 like when they come to your shows and I feel like that's a hallmark of who you are as a

00:37:50.800 person, but also as a performer, it's like, you're able to create a space where people

00:37:54.500 can feel totally and 100% safe and like have a good time, which is rare, especially for

00:38:01.680 public outings and for marginalized people in general.

00:38:05.320 Yes, totally, totally, totally.

00:38:07.660 And like, it's, um, I forgot what I was actually going to say right there.

00:38:12.620 That's all right.

00:38:13.060 I got you queen.

00:38:14.520 As far as like, as far as rude people who recognize you, have you ever had any of those 0.58

00:38:20.660 any sillies like that? 0.77

00:38:22.120 So many.

00:38:22.580 I mean, back in the day, yes, like I remember being in like a mall and like people never

00:38:34.080 want to like really come up to you and do something in your face.

00:38:37.800 Yeah.

00:38:38.120 Again, that would be like pulling up a hate comment and reading it to them.

00:38:42.340 Yeah.

00:38:42.880 But I've just had so many like weird, sly interactions and all of that.

00:38:48.260 And, um, I like, I think as a kid and especially being like maybe when I was in my hometown,

00:38:53.820 that felt scary, but it's been a really long time since I've had a weird moment like that.

00:39:00.240 And now I'm just like, if that were ever to, I'd be like, you're weird.

00:39:03.920 Yeah.

00:39:04.320 You're okay.

00:39:05.340 Thanks.

00:39:06.180 I had, I had an interaction recently in the airport that I'll probably think about for

00:39:11.400 a while, like, and not in a good way.

00:39:13.260 Um, and it was like, it's because like being perceived in public, like, I don't know if

00:39:19.040 you feel this way.

00:39:19.660 Are you an extrovert or an introvert?

00:39:20.780 Would you say?

00:39:21.440 Apparently I'm both.

00:39:23.000 T.

00:39:23.480 Yeah.

00:39:23.820 But I think I'm, I'm probably a little bit more extroverted.

00:39:26.880 T.

00:39:27.180 Me too.

00:39:27.920 Yeah.

00:39:28.140 And I feel like I've always loved being in public until I started being perceived.

00:39:32.060 And now it's kind of a nightmare for me to go anywhere in public just because I hate

00:39:36.540 the feeling of being looked at.

00:39:37.960 It feels like you're a zoo animal.

00:39:39.580 And so recently I was in an airport with my whole family and like, I was talking to,

00:39:45.240 I was talking to my family, like my back was turned and this girl stopped and she was like,

00:39:49.840 oh my God.

00:39:50.900 Right.

00:39:51.280 Which is normal.

00:39:52.120 I hear that a lot. 0.99

00:39:52.920 I heard it the entire fucking day I was in the airport. 0.98

00:39:55.280 Um, so I just don't respond. 0.99

00:39:57.780 And so she says it again.

00:39:59.600 So then I start turning around and she looks me in the eyes and she goes, oh my God, Teffy. 0.99

00:40:03.880 She's looking me in the eyes by the, like, she's looking me in the eyes and going Teffy.

00:40:07.440 And then I go, what did you call me?

00:40:10.500 And she goes, oh, wait.

00:40:13.140 And then I could feel like in her head, I felt like she was going different brown girl, 0.84

00:40:15.920 different brown girl, different brown girl. 1.00

00:40:17.400 Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. 1.00

00:40:18.940 Now I'm sure everyone here knows Teffy. 1.00

00:40:20.740 You know Teffy.

00:40:21.480 Yes, I do. 0.96

00:40:22.160 We don't look anything alike, like not even fucking close.

00:40:24.380 Like, and if you look at build, it's even more confusing because like Teffy's this big 0.77

00:40:28.460 and this tiny, like, and she's 5'2". 0.95

00:40:30.520 Like, she's so small.

00:40:31.340 And so I said, what did you call me?

00:40:34.340 And she goes, oh, no, no, no.

00:40:36.180 Sorry.

00:40:36.680 Um, sorry.

00:40:37.740 I like, I know your name.

00:40:38.820 No, wait, don't.

00:40:39.520 Like, I know it.

00:40:40.180 Trust me.

00:40:40.500 I know it.

00:40:41.320 Makes me stand there while she's trying to go.

00:40:43.280 Wait, hold on.

00:40:43.940 Hold on.

00:40:44.320 Wait, I know it.

00:40:45.040 I know it.

00:40:45.440 I know it.

00:40:46.320 Girl.

00:40:47.220 I said, my name's Drew.

00:40:49.440 I'm not Teffy.

00:40:50.600 And she goes, oh, I know that.

00:40:51.660 I know that.

00:40:51.900 But you have like, you have like podcasts, right?

00:40:56.760 Girl.

00:40:57.080 That's why I was like, yep.

00:41:00.540 And then she's like, your last name starts with an A. 1.00

00:41:05.900 Bitch. 1.00

00:41:08.360 That's painful. 1.00

00:41:09.440 Right.

00:41:09.740 It's horrible.

00:41:10.340 It's horrible.

00:41:10.920 So like, sometimes when I have it, fan, it's not a fan, but like encounters like that in

00:41:16.060 public.

00:41:16.760 Yeah.

00:41:17.440 Those are uncomfortable.

00:41:19.020 Always.

00:41:19.460 And they're, and you know, you've been in the industry for a long time.

00:41:22.540 It's like, it's not something you ever like really get used to.

00:41:27.080 It's just something you kind of learn to deal with, like as time goes on.

00:41:30.280 Totally.

00:41:30.440 And people like that, like I've definitely had similar experiences like that where people

00:41:34.760 will confuse me for the wrong person or think we went to high school together or something.

00:41:39.140 And like people have these knee jerk reactions where they don't think they just, again, they

00:41:44.180 see and they're like, oh, I've seen that.

00:41:46.720 Yeah.

00:41:46.980 I have to say something.

00:41:47.820 And it's like, oh, the amount of years I would have left on my life if people just

00:41:54.980 thought once.

00:41:56.460 The one that really sticks out for me is I was like 15 and I was at Disneyland and I

00:42:01.620 don't go to Disneyland much because like, even though I grew up in Orange County, that's

00:42:06.640 so expensive.

00:42:07.520 Yeah.

00:42:07.680 Um, so I was at Disneyland and I remember I was in the like pizza parlor, the like space

00:42:12.740 pizza situation and I was mid spaghetti bite and someone just like ran over, posed for

00:42:20.040 a photo next to me as I'm literally like, uh, and then just ran away.

00:42:25.100 And I was like, that's so, oh God.

00:42:29.600 Yeah.

00:42:29.760 It makes you feel so.

00:42:30.600 I would never want to be perceived like that.

00:42:31.800 Right. 0.99

00:42:32.120 It feels like I post like that type of shit makes me feel like I posted a whole pic on 0.99

00:42:36.520 Maine. 0.98

00:42:36.920 Like I just feel like I'm, I'm just showing, bearing my soul to the world and like people

00:42:40.560 aren't supposed to see that.

00:42:41.400 Like it feels so weird.

00:42:43.240 Like, and I talked to chapel about it a lot when she was here, but it's like, and Ravina

00:42:47.660 when she was here, she said that it's almost like a trauma that you learn to just deal

00:42:51.860 with, like, as you, you kind of grow around the trauma and just kind of figure it out.

00:42:55.960 So that's why when people are like, I would love to do that.

00:42:58.480 All right.

00:42:59.720 Good luck.

00:43:00.520 It's tough.

00:43:01.220 It's definitely one of the, one of the stranger parts.

00:43:03.580 And like, I really respect everything that chapel has done this year and inserting a boundary

00:43:09.580 for itself because there's so much about, uh, so much conversation about, you know, well,

00:43:16.060 of course you knew what you were walking into or you asked for this as part of the job,

00:43:20.460 but like not many jobs have like unclockable hours and it is, it's just a, it's not super

00:43:29.560 hard to, to be respectful.

00:43:31.260 And so many people are, um, but the few that aren't, you are remembered.

00:43:38.200 You live up here.

00:43:39.420 And every, every city we go to venues will ask for a list of faces that you don't want

00:43:45.500 to let in the door and like, sometimes people do things that are really scary or like uncomfortable

00:43:51.000 and, um, you might have your face on there.

00:43:55.180 Yeah.

00:43:55.460 That's like, and that's real. 0.99

00:43:56.620 And that's important that you like pay attention to that shit, which you don't, you, you don't 0.99

00:44:02.180 sign something. 0.99

00:44:03.000 That's like, I'm signing away my right to, to not have people grab me in public. 0.94

00:44:06.780 Like nobody ever fucking agrees to that.

00:44:09.100 Like, even when she set that boundary too, I like made a video about it too. 0.87

00:44:12.620 Cause a lot of people were involving me. 0.99

00:44:14.260 Anytime anybody says anything, if they were in this chair, they're like, what the fuck 0.99

00:44:18.780 is drew doing? 0.90

00:44:19.500 Like every time they're like, and where's drew at? 0.90

00:44:22.240 Like, I don't know why the fuck I'm just, everything's my fault.

00:44:24.880 I know I'm like, and if anything happens, consider that a warning, Rebecca. 0.95

00:44:28.440 But even then, when I talked about it, I said like, you guys aren't, you know, it's disingenuous

00:44:34.020 and it's not a good faith conversation to just automatically chalk that up to like, oh,

00:44:39.160 you signed up for this or like your fans love you.

00:44:41.920 You owe them that.

00:44:42.840 I actually don't like, I actually don't owe you the right to grab me in public.

00:44:47.240 Like I actually don't owe you the right to not remember my name, but take pictures of

00:44:50.500 my face. 0.99

00:44:50.980 Like I don't owe you any of that shit. 0.99

00:44:52.440 I don't owe you anything really other than the art that I put out or the, the thing that 0.98

00:44:56.460 I do like to entertain you.

00:44:58.060 That's really it.

00:44:58.860 Like that's all I owe you.

00:45:00.000 And that's it.

00:45:00.760 Anything past that is extra credit in my opinion.

00:45:03.500 Totally.

00:45:04.240 Totally.

00:45:04.840 I, I think like, I, I see people trying to have a conversation in a way that's constructive

00:45:11.020 and what I, what I think would be more constructive for everyone globally is like, let's question

00:45:18.580 the way that we idolize people and the relationships we have with the way that we, I think this goes

00:45:24.900 even back to like the, um, ways that the expectations people set for people on the internet and all

00:45:31.340 that.

00:45:31.560 Like, I think every figure on the internet and I've seen this with people like Trisha or,

00:45:36.640 um, or like chapels or doja or who you could put every Brittany, like you could put every

00:45:43.240 person in there.

00:45:43.860 Me.

00:45:44.500 Um, I've experienced this firsthand.

00:45:46.120 I think I've seen the way that like the internet and, and not just the internet culture

00:45:51.260 historically uses people like us and, and women particularly to build up when they're

00:46:01.440 born and ready for it.

00:46:03.180 And then once they are comfortable, take them down for the story and the conversation and

00:46:10.260 as like a catharsis piece and then they'll build them back up and then they'll take them

00:46:15.140 back down and then they'll do it as much as they can until someone just like really becomes

00:46:21.020 unbothered by it.

00:46:21.960 And I truly, I am always curious to see like where culture will go in the ways that like,

00:46:28.900 again, people really are building these like deep, deep parasocial relationships with, with

00:46:34.720 everyone that they see online.

00:46:36.300 And I get it.

00:46:37.360 I get it.

00:46:37.980 Like we're all, cause at the end of the day, like we're all human people just using our

00:46:42.780 socials at the end of the day.

00:46:44.420 So of course we come across as like friends and people you really know.

00:46:49.160 Um, so I don't know, I don't know what the answers are to fix it.

00:46:51.820 I'm just watching it.

00:46:53.260 Right.

00:46:53.680 As a girl.

00:46:54.460 Observing it and keeping an eye on it.

00:46:55.560 Cause you have to.

00:46:56.400 Yeah.

00:46:56.840 Cause you're also in the spotlight.

00:46:58.200 So yeah.

00:46:58.760 Yeah.

00:46:58.960 Something you have to keep your finger on the pulse.

00:47:01.600 It's true.

00:47:02.880 Try.

00:47:03.280 I just think like, I, I check in with myself as this is like people who I really idolize.

00:47:07.840 Like, why am I so let down by this thing that they did?

00:47:10.840 I don't know them.

00:47:11.440 Never met them before in my life.

00:47:12.780 I, you know?

00:47:13.520 Yeah.

00:47:13.800 And I think the, I I've said this before too, when I've defended women, like I defended 0.98

00:47:18.360 Dylan Mulvaney when she put out her fun song and like people like turfs were fucking losing 1.00

00:47:22.700 their minds, piss me the fuck off. 0.99

00:47:24.700 Uh, don't piss me off for real. 0.99

00:47:26.620 But I remember when I made a video, like I made a couple of videos defending her, but

00:47:30.340 when I made another one, I said like your, your internet going experience will be improved

00:47:36.840 a thousand percent when you like digest and internalize the idea that not everything that

00:47:43.540 is made and created is for you specifically.

00:47:46.760 When you realize the world doesn't fucking revolve around you, you're going to have a lot 0.91

00:47:50.500 more fun on the internet. 0.96

00:47:51.400 Yeah.

00:47:51.800 I just cannot imagine like going through and being like, this isn't catered to me. 0.98

00:47:56.460 So I'm going to tell everyone how much I fucking hate it. 0.98

00:47:58.980 Like, yeah. 0.99

00:47:59.960 Okay.

00:48:00.340 Move on. 0.99

00:48:00.960 Like when I see shit, I don't like swipe, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:48:03.940 Like I move on. 0.99

00:48:04.820 So, and I think it's like what you said too, as far as hate goes, like, and, and, you know,

00:48:09.740 entitlement to people's bodies and time and whatever people who are on the internet, famous

00:48:13.760 people, it's like you said, they don't see you as a human.

00:48:16.760 Like they see you as a figment of their imagination, uh, an imaginary friend, if you will.

00:48:22.580 Like, it's all very like parasocial, like you said.

00:48:25.780 Yeah.

00:48:26.000 And add on, on top of that, like in the ways that Twitter and TikTok and Instagram and everything

00:48:32.160 restructured, one other piece of this that I, again, don't know what to do about this.

00:48:39.140 I'm just witnessing it is like everyone's opinion now has a way to be uplifted and be

00:48:45.140 like part of the conversation.

00:48:46.060 Like, I think that like when something happens or someone does something and it creates

00:48:51.100 conversation, now any person's opinion has the ability to get a hundred thousand likes

00:48:56.260 on Twitter.

00:48:56.620 And now you see them in the comments and they're promoting some like sunset lamp and like they're

00:49:00.760 making money off it.

00:49:01.480 So everyone's benefiting or like trying to benefit off of these conversations.

00:49:05.900 From like a dog pile.

00:49:06.920 Yeah.

00:49:07.100 Yeah.

00:49:07.540 So it's just a, it's a weird one that whoever did this, whoever got us here.

00:49:14.120 Fix it.

00:49:14.920 Fix it.

00:49:16.760 Because I look at, I have a nine year old sister and she doesn't know yet.

00:49:23.420 I don't think like she's, she doesn't have socials or anything like that.

00:49:27.120 But thank God.

00:49:28.620 And I hope she never does ever.

00:49:30.320 But I, I watch as a big sister and, and try to learn from her because there, I'm so curious

00:49:37.180 how she's digesting in it.

00:49:38.500 And it scares me, you know, to, to know what it was for me, I get scared for what it'll

00:49:43.840 be like for her.

00:49:44.720 Right.

00:49:45.120 And the, and the, like you said, the gift of virality has really poisoned like the ability

00:49:52.000 to have like genuine discourse and conversation with respect.

00:49:56.160 And we're talking about valid, like, you know what I'm saying?

00:49:59.300 Not, not awful people.

00:50:00.380 You can dog pile them all you want. 0.99

00:50:02.020 In fact, I don't think you dog pile them enough in my fucking opinion. 1.00

00:50:05.020 We're dogpiling the wrong people, bitch. 1.00

00:50:06.520 We need to refocus. 0.99

00:50:07.500 Exactly.

00:50:07.960 We need to refocus.

00:50:08.580 That's why I'm like, I think too, that's another reason why, um, you know, a lot of iconic

00:50:14.640 women like yourself have found me on the internet because, uh, I think the way I deal with hate, 1.00

00:50:20.700 it's a lot different.

00:50:22.240 It's awesome.

00:50:22.920 You know what I'm saying?

00:50:23.740 Like, I'm big, I, I personally am having a ball.

00:50:26.940 I think a lot of other people are enjoying it as well.

00:50:29.260 We are. 0.99

00:50:29.600 Um, and that's why I think when I get like, when men say shit about me, kind of like how 0.98

00:50:34.740 they were talking about, you're giving you some very unsolicited advice on how to be 0.95

00:50:38.260 a DJ.

00:50:39.260 Um, and you know, honestly, that's them being jealous.

00:50:41.160 Cause that's their favorite thing to do.

00:50:42.980 That's their dream job. 0.99

00:50:43.960 Um, especially awful white men, like, Oh, if they could, they'd be a DJ and a standup 0.99

00:50:48.460 comic at the same time. 1.00

00:50:50.000 That's like their wet dream.

00:50:51.220 That's their perfect.

00:50:52.040 Like that's their kismet.

00:50:53.600 You know what I'm saying?

00:50:54.260 Yeah.

00:50:54.940 They really love that.

00:50:56.220 They really do.

00:50:57.360 Do you get a lot of unsolicited advice on your DJ sets?

00:50:59.700 On my DJ sets?

00:51:00.620 Yeah.

00:51:01.080 Um, Oh yeah.

00:51:02.200 Oh yeah, totally.

00:51:03.200 Or just like, why'd you do it like that?

00:51:05.620 It's like, because I, I did.

00:51:09.400 And they're like, well, I don't like it.

00:51:10.740 Okay.

00:51:11.240 All right.

00:51:11.560 Oh, click away.

00:51:14.680 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:15.600 Exactly.

00:51:16.120 So to circle back to music, I would love to know who's a dream collaborator of yours.

00:51:21.980 Oh my God.

00:51:23.440 Um, I have so many, honestly, I'm obsessed with FK twigs have been for so long.

00:51:30.600 That would be cool.

00:51:31.240 That would be, oh, I love that.

00:51:34.880 Um, there's so, there's so many artists though that I would love to work with.

00:51:38.660 So many producers.

00:51:40.980 Um, I, gosh, I mean, I've like always, the people who know are the people who know I've

00:51:47.900 been like a Charlie truther literally since 2013 in my room in high school.

00:51:53.960 Um, and I love, I love what chapel's doing.

00:51:56.820 I love like, I think there's so many amazing people out there.

00:52:01.100 Period.

00:52:02.020 You said all of them.

00:52:03.660 Well, yeah.

00:52:04.380 Yeah.

00:52:04.600 I did say there's so many people that are good.

00:52:07.760 So anyone who is good.

00:52:09.120 What if you could collaborate with someone who's not alive anymore?

00:52:12.540 Oh, uh, I'm like, who's not alive?

00:52:15.700 Let me think of all the dead people I know.

00:52:17.780 Probably someone like a Bowie.

00:52:20.920 Ooh, that'd be cool.

00:52:22.000 Um, I don't know what we would do, but it'd be something.

00:52:25.460 Um, honestly a weird one for me because I really grew up listening to so much of his music and

00:52:30.960 I, you know, I don't know if I would make the choice today, but I was a huge Michael

00:52:37.540 Jackson fan growing up.

00:52:39.100 Oh, huge.

00:52:40.520 Okay.

00:52:40.760 My mom was like big. 1.00

00:52:42.320 And again, did you have the Michael Jackson Wii game?

00:52:45.140 The dance one?

00:52:45.900 Wait, no.

00:52:46.640 Oh, some fan.

00:52:47.620 Okay.

00:52:48.040 Actually.

00:52:48.640 So I rescinded my fandom.

00:52:51.780 I'm kidding.

00:52:52.340 I'm kidding.

00:52:52.900 Um, did you have the glove?

00:52:54.920 A bedazzled glove?

00:52:55.980 Again, some fan.

00:52:56.820 Oh, no fedora, no glove.

00:52:58.780 Okay.

00:52:58.920 So I was normal. 0.99

00:53:01.100 Um, I liked the fan, not a fucking weirdo. 0.97

00:53:03.640 So, you know, like the music. 0.94

00:53:06.460 Um, I don't know why he came to my head as like the only dead person I can think of other

00:53:09.740 than David Bowie.

00:53:13.020 Um, I'm like Audrey Hepburn.

00:53:14.780 I don't know what we would do.

00:53:15.740 I'm really being basic white girl right now.

00:53:18.080 So sorry. 0.97

00:53:19.540 Um, but I'm brain dead.

00:53:21.440 So were you a big fan girl when you were young?

00:53:23.540 Oh, huge.

00:53:25.440 What were you super into?

00:53:27.220 Lana.

00:53:28.020 Okay.

00:53:28.280 I was like, apparently I was like leaking Lana songs.

00:53:31.520 I don't know.

00:53:32.080 People love to like bring that up and I don't remember that at all, but I guess so.

00:53:36.440 Yeah.

00:53:36.960 Um, I was a, I was a believer.

00:53:39.500 Oh, gee.

00:53:40.340 Okay.

00:53:40.700 Huge believer.

00:53:41.460 Huge directioner.

00:53:42.820 Oh, love.

00:53:43.700 Um, who's your fave?

00:53:45.720 This is, this is a sort of type of, so I, yeah.

00:53:48.600 I already, I get it though.

00:53:57.020 I get it though.

00:53:57.760 Um, but yeah, things have, things have grown, but I, I mean, I feel like 2014 was like prime,

00:54:04.280 prime, like fandom cultivating.

00:54:08.880 Um, I loved one direction too.

00:54:10.740 Yeah.

00:54:11.260 Who are you a fan of?

00:54:12.220 I was, I was, uh, Oh, like just in general fangirl.

00:54:15.280 Well, actually the first thing, the first group I truly remember being like a diehard

00:54:20.400 fangirl when I was like nine or 10 was my chemical romance.

00:54:25.260 And like, that was my very first concert when I was 10.

00:54:27.820 I saw them in Anaheim across the street from Disneyland.

00:54:30.540 Oh my God.

00:54:30.980 Where they now hold Bitcoin.

00:54:31.900 Honda center?

00:54:32.580 No.

00:54:33.080 No.

00:54:33.680 Convention center?

00:54:34.380 Yeah.

00:54:34.560 The Anaheim convention center.

00:54:35.540 Yeah.

00:54:36.060 They played there. 0.65

00:54:36.900 The black, welcome to the black parade tour. 0.87

00:54:38.780 What? 0.97

00:54:39.360 Yeah, girl. 0.99

00:54:39.980 I was there in the rafters.

00:54:41.840 My mom was too scared to go in the pit. 1.00

00:54:43.220 So we sat very high.

00:54:44.240 And that's why I was, I laugh when I think about it.

00:54:47.040 Cause my mom was so supportive. 0.97

00:54:48.320 Like my whole family was because it was fucking weird. 0.95

00:54:51.320 I'll be honest. 0.97

00:54:51.860 And not because of their music is weird. 0.99

00:54:53.200 It's just like the shit they talk about is so like, they have very dark themes and like 0.99

00:54:58.080 skylines and turnstiles, like three cheers for sweet revenge, like an on black parade. 1.00

00:55:02.460 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:02.800 My sister and I die hard fucking fans. 0.99

00:55:04.760 Like we would literally put on, like we would get their deluxe, deluxe CDs with all the extra 0.99

00:55:08.660 shit, like the tour DVDs. 0.93

00:55:10.700 And we would fall asleep to them. 1.00

00:55:11.980 Like we'd put them on.

00:55:12.820 We'd be like, Oh, put the tour DVD on.

00:55:14.060 And then we'd fall asleep. 1.00

00:55:14.700 And they're like yelling, fuck shit, bitch, like over and over talking about doing drugs. 1.00

00:55:19.240 They're all drunk. 1.00

00:55:20.080 Yeah.

00:55:20.740 That's my white noise.

00:55:22.120 Yeah.

00:55:22.520 That is kind of giving white, white noise in some way.

00:55:26.080 Right.

00:55:26.540 Right.

00:55:27.320 So we would watch those.

00:55:28.720 And like, I was, I was convinced at like 10 years old that I was going to marry the guitarist,

00:55:34.220 Ray Toro.

00:55:35.240 Anyone familiar?

00:55:36.520 Yeah.

00:55:36.840 I was convinced.

00:55:37.580 I was like, I was like, well, obviously we're going to get married.

00:55:39.580 He's 35.

00:55:40.580 Obviously we're going to get married.

00:55:41.740 And I'm 10.

00:55:42.800 Obviously it's going to be fine.

00:55:44.040 Eight.

00:55:44.580 Well.

00:55:44.760 Yeah.

00:55:45.220 And then as I got older, went into like middle school, did a hard left to the Jonas Brothers.

00:55:51.680 Whoa.

00:55:52.140 Yeah.

00:55:52.440 And I had a real whiplash.

00:55:54.400 I was like, oh, okay.

00:55:55.520 Whoa.

00:55:56.280 Yeah.

00:55:56.720 That's huge.

00:55:57.560 Which one?

00:55:58.320 I was a Nick girl.

00:55:59.580 Wow.

00:56:00.040 See, I was more Joe.

00:56:01.080 I was more Joe focused. 1.00

00:56:02.260 And now you're gay. 1.00

00:56:02.720 Just like my sister. 0.99

00:56:03.500 She was also a Joe. 0.98

00:56:04.460 See, the lesbians, it's all there. 1.00

00:56:07.920 It's all, you just have to like get a little like. 0.96

00:56:10.940 The breadcrumbs are so prominent.

00:56:12.180 Yeah.

00:56:12.620 Move a little like Joe.

00:56:13.920 And I hope these men know that it's a compliment and they should feel very lucky.

00:56:18.000 Absolutely. 0.78

00:56:18.500 That lesbians like them. 1.00

00:56:19.160 Lesbians don't like very many people. 1.00

00:56:20.720 They don't. 0.99

00:56:21.460 Especially men.

00:56:21.700 They don't.

00:56:22.220 But they like Justin Bieber.

00:56:23.900 They like Joe Jonas.

00:56:26.600 Who else?

00:56:28.680 That's it.

00:56:29.220 Yeah.

00:56:29.620 That's pretty much it.

00:56:30.400 I'm trying to think of who else I was.

00:56:31.660 I was really standing.

00:56:32.600 Oh, you know what I did when I was in.

00:56:35.720 When I was like 10.

00:56:36.700 I remember I would like collect all the J-14 like mags and put them all over my walls and 0.98

00:56:42.080 all that.

00:56:42.520 Same.

00:56:42.820 And I thought that like the P.O. box addresses on the back were just their home addresses.

00:56:48.020 I was like, this is great.

00:56:49.860 Like, this is really cool.

00:56:51.300 Like, I should go here.

00:56:52.480 It's a phone book.

00:56:53.360 Yeah.

00:56:53.800 And so basically, and so one year, I remember I cut my yearbook photo out of my yearbook

00:57:02.620 and I saw Zac Efron had a P.O. box situation there.

00:57:07.660 And I was like, well, I'm just going to mail him a letter.

00:57:09.680 And so I put my little yearbook photo, which I had my full retainer.

00:57:14.580 It was fourth grade.

00:57:15.680 Love.

00:57:16.120 Full retainer, everything.

00:57:17.420 Wrote him a letter.

00:57:18.060 And I sent it thinking like, I'm, this is my new pen pal.

00:57:21.360 Like, I'm going to get a response.

00:57:23.580 And I waited.

00:57:24.500 God, I wonder what he's going to say.

00:57:26.000 He's going to be so caught off guard.

00:57:27.340 He's going to be, he's going to think I'm gorgeous, first of all.

00:57:30.880 So.

00:57:31.140 This is me, by the way.

00:57:32.360 Yeah.

00:57:33.240 Me, like chubby little retainer girl.

00:57:36.200 10.

00:57:36.840 I love that.

00:57:37.440 And he was probably 21 or something.

00:57:40.820 Uh, and yeah, I, I'm still waiting, I guess, for a response.

00:57:44.080 I'd love to know if it got opened.

00:57:45.340 Right.

00:57:45.940 Because maybe I want the photo back.

00:57:46.860 I know you're a huge fan of the show.

00:57:48.380 Zac Efron, if you're here, he's also like five, six.

00:57:51.740 Isn't that crazy?

00:57:54.840 Is he really?

00:57:55.820 Yeah, girl. 0.99

00:57:56.680 No hate to the short Kings, unfortunately.

00:57:58.980 I'll hate you.

00:57:59.720 Just kidding. 0.98

00:58:00.620 I'm kidding.

00:58:01.200 I'm kidding. 0.99

00:58:01.760 And if you clip that, I'm going to be fucking pissed off. 0.98

00:58:04.080 That was a joke. 0.99

00:58:05.680 I'm going to be pissed off.

00:58:06.980 That was a joke. 1.00

00:58:07.740 Unless you're awful. 0.99

00:58:08.580 If you're awful. 0.99

00:58:09.000 I always tell men. 0.99

00:58:09.520 If you're, if you're a bad man and you're short King.

00:58:12.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:13.720 I get to make fun of you.

00:58:14.780 Yeah.

00:58:15.060 But yeah, no, he's no, he's five, six.

00:58:17.820 Wow.

00:58:18.380 I feel like you're tall.

00:58:19.620 You're pretty tall.

00:58:20.280 No, it's people think this.

00:58:21.500 I'm five, four.

00:58:22.620 No way. 1.00

00:58:24.020 Damn, you're all lit. 0.99

00:58:25.100 That's a good thing though. 1.00

00:58:26.120 Oh my God.

00:58:26.840 Thank you.

00:58:27.180 No, people think I'm tall, but I'm really average.

00:58:29.100 I thought you were tall too.

00:58:30.060 I didn't think you were as tall as me, but I thought maybe you were like five, seven.

00:58:33.000 Oh.

00:58:33.620 T.

00:58:34.120 I'll take it.

00:58:34.680 Yeah.

00:58:34.960 Period.

00:58:35.460 I love that.

00:58:35.900 I'm small.

00:58:36.260 Well, everybody in this industry is like this big.

00:58:40.620 Oh yeah.

00:58:40.940 And it makes, it's bad.

00:58:42.060 It's hard.

00:58:42.500 It's very hard. 0.99

00:58:43.160 Like, and when I say everyone, bitch, I mean everyone. 1.00

00:58:45.580 Like I tell, I, sometimes I tell my team, I'm like every room I go into, no matter how 0.98

00:58:50.340 high the caliber of celebrity or not, I look like when Alice in Wonderland drank that potion 0.96

00:58:56.100 that made her too big for the fucking house and her arms pop out the side, that's what 1.00

00:58:59.740 I look like in every room. 0.99

00:59:01.220 Everyone's like, ah, like two little rascals stacked up on top of each other.

00:59:05.900 That's, and that's why I'm always like, can everyone tell me why everybody is so small

00:59:10.240 in the entertainment industry?

00:59:12.200 How are they doing?

00:59:12.960 I don't know.

00:59:13.660 I don't know.

00:59:14.140 It freaks me out.

00:59:14.740 It freaks me out.

00:59:14.760 It freaky.

00:59:15.100 Yeah.

00:59:15.380 Like I, I saw Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande at the Wicked premiere and I talked to Cynthia

00:59:19.720 for a little bit, this big, dude, little figurines.

00:59:23.700 I could put them on my shoulders like devil and angel.

00:59:26.240 Wow.

00:59:26.700 If they wanted to, you guys are interested.

00:59:28.480 Let me know.

00:59:29.540 The spot is open.

00:59:30.500 I am looking for people.

00:59:32.740 Okay.

00:59:33.160 Well, I'll circle back to your music, but, um, tell us about the new album and what are

00:59:37.200 you excited for?

00:59:38.100 What are you excited for people to hear?

00:59:40.200 Um, I'm so excited for people to hear it at all because it takes a long time to get

00:59:45.100 an album from finish to into people's ears.

00:59:49.220 Uh, and it's called Salvation and it's, it's something I'm really deeply proud of.

00:59:56.380 And, um, I think it's the most risks I've ever taken in, in making an album before.

01:00:01.360 I think it'll add a lot of context.

01:00:03.920 Like, um, when people see me do Boiler Room and see me do all of the things that I'm doing,

01:00:10.600 like this album has existed for a long time.

01:00:12.700 Like these songs were made a year ago.

01:00:15.600 Um, and I am just excited for people to get to see where I've been.

01:00:20.640 Um, and I think I've really like put my head down and, um, over the last, like really, I

01:00:30.540 mean, I've lived in LA for almost 10 years.

01:00:32.200 I've been just trying to get to the place where I feel like I'm making some of the songs

01:00:36.360 that I've made on this project.

01:00:37.660 Um, they just feel like things that I'm like, see, I knew it.

01:00:42.560 I knew, I knew it was in there.

01:00:44.100 I knew I needed to just like jiggle it out.

01:00:47.000 Um, and I, yeah, I, again, I feel really grateful to be in a landscape where like people

01:00:53.940 are ready for people to tell stories.

01:00:55.740 And, um, and that's what I'm here to do.

01:00:58.380 Love.

01:00:58.960 What do you hope people take away after they listen to it?

01:01:01.500 I hope it's an escape.

01:01:02.880 I hope that it, um, provides relief.

01:01:05.880 I hope people have fun. 1.00

01:01:07.140 I hope people fuck to it. 1.00

01:01:08.440 I hope people kiss, like whatever. 1.00

01:01:11.040 Do what you want.

01:01:12.060 Sky's the limit.

01:01:12.660 Do what you want with it.

01:01:13.100 I just, that like, I, I hope people really take the universe with them and it inspires

01:01:20.060 them, um, to take that into themselves.

01:01:22.980 Like I am truly who I am because of like the albums that raised me and, um, created the

01:01:29.420 like story within my life I wanted for myself.

01:01:33.340 And I think that was what I really wanted to do with this album was like tap into a version

01:01:38.620 of myself that I want to be more, which is like, I think I'm a pretty like normal person.

01:01:46.820 Sorry.

01:01:47.540 Reveal. 0.79

01:01:48.360 Um, but I look at like the most delusional, like grandiose, like crazy people.

01:01:54.940 And I'm like, God, I want to live like you.

01:01:58.340 Like I can't lie.

01:01:59.760 Every time I see a Jojo Siwa TikTok and I'm like, that's so wrong, but that must feel so

01:02:06.480 free.

01:02:07.020 Like that must feel so stunning to be that like, you know, I feel that way when I see 1.00

01:02:14.040 like influencers that are like, for lack of a better word, fucking awful or, or just stupid 1.00

01:02:20.460 like, and just unaware and don't give a fuck about anything ever. 1.00

01:02:23.460 Yeah. 0.98

01:02:24.000 Oh, I envy it.

01:02:25.460 I envy it.

01:02:25.960 I know it's not good.

01:02:26.600 I'm like, oh, what must it be like?

01:02:27.780 I know.

01:02:28.500 I know it's miserable, but there's a second where I'm like that.

01:02:33.540 I want to be that.

01:02:34.500 I can't, but I want to be that.

01:02:37.680 And I think that like this record was just me tapping into like what that would look

01:02:42.020 like in a way that's not destructive.

01:02:43.720 Exactly.

01:02:44.280 In a way that is like, I am understanding something about myself that you don't get.

01:02:49.940 And it's not about that because I'm feeling freedom and I'm feeling empowered and, you

01:02:56.520 less period.

01:02:59.300 My last question to you is what would you say is your best piece of advice for anyone

01:03:05.720 who's, I mean, I would say any marginalized person at all who's pursuing music, but even

01:03:10.640 more specifically, like people like, like you who, who grow up on in the industry or on

01:03:16.720 the internet and not everybody has a story like yours, obviously, but there is something

01:03:20.460 to be said about the way you've been able to navigate like, and really like come out

01:03:24.640 from under like all of this awfulness and kind of still pave a way for yourself.

01:03:29.940 Like for people who feel maybe fear of being perceived or fear of putting out art and getting

01:03:34.540 criticism or hate, like what would you say is your best piece of advice to them?

01:03:37.940 I think maybe this is my delusional bit.

01:03:42.220 I think that like if you do the work and put your head down and focus on creating something

01:03:50.320 that means something to you, it doesn't matter if it doesn't hit the first time.

01:03:55.760 It doesn't matter if like at first it's not totally realized.

01:03:59.460 If you continue to look around you, gather and put substance into what you're doing, that

01:04:07.640 is always worth it.

01:04:08.900 Yeah, that is always worthwhile.

01:04:10.680 There is there the best like artists that I know and the best musicians I know, I true

01:04:17.820 I know that there is this like banner for success or like measure measure of success that we all

01:04:27.280 look for.

01:04:28.000 But some of my the artists that have meant the most to me in my life are songs with like

01:04:32.980 a thousand streams and I I love them.

01:04:36.420 And I I think those artists are you never know where your art is really truly hitting

01:04:43.700 until suddenly one day you look back and you're like, wow, where have I been for the last 10

01:04:47.460 years?

01:04:47.660 And I think no one knows or will ever know what you're trying to do better than you.

01:04:55.260 So like it's like cheesy as it is, like get in there, get in there, write it down, get

01:05:02.200 it out and and finish it like that's that's also the biggest piece of advice I can give

01:05:08.320 is I talk to so many artists or like people I know that are really talented and want to

01:05:12.320 be artists and they're like, oh, I've been making this album for like 10 years.

01:05:15.280 And I'm like, well, we'll put it out because then when you finish it or even just finish

01:05:20.040 it, don't put it out, finish it.

01:05:21.480 Then you can start again and make something better.

01:05:24.160 And that's like what that's all I've done for the last 13 years of my life is make really

01:05:29.680 bad stuff.

01:05:31.200 That's the secret so that it can get a little bit less.

01:05:35.100 Well, and I think to your point to like it defeats the purpose of art if you only create

01:05:40.300 it to garner some sort of accolade, right?

01:05:43.780 It defeats the purpose.

01:05:44.500 Like that's not what art is for.

01:05:45.700 It's to express yourself.

01:05:46.680 So putting it out there should mean more to you or finishing it.

01:05:50.500 Like you said, it should be more than accolades or rewards, which are great.

01:05:54.280 Like they're awesome.

01:05:54.940 And unfortunately, they are a big way to make money off the art.

01:05:59.160 But to like you said, to focus on that being like your measure of success, it kind of defeats

01:06:05.120 the purpose of putting out art.

01:06:06.980 And I feel like real culture shifters like someone like you or like Lady Gaga early in

01:06:11.660 the day, like that's not why they're making it.

01:06:13.880 Like they're not making it so they win a Grammy.

01:06:15.520 They're not making it so it has two billion streams.

01:06:17.220 They're making it because it's important to them and it means something to them.

01:06:20.460 And then, like you said, sometimes 10 years down the line, the octopus picked and then

01:06:25.560 all of a sudden everybody, everybody all of a sudden remembers.

01:06:28.460 Yeah.

01:06:28.760 They're like, wait, I actually do love them.

01:06:30.780 Yeah.

01:06:31.160 So I think you're one of those people.

01:06:32.780 So I want to, I want to tell everybody here now that I was on the ground floor with Rebecca

01:06:37.940 Black. 0.93

01:06:39.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:06:39.440 And some of you bitches are behind. 1.00

01:06:41.320 You're not listening to the octopus like I am. 1.00

01:06:43.220 It's okay.

01:06:43.620 I love octopus so much.

01:06:45.300 My favorite animal.

01:06:46.800 Oh, I didn't even know that.

01:06:47.920 Look at me.

01:06:48.620 Yeah.

01:06:48.920 What if I did know that?

01:06:49.640 That's the question I was hoping you would ask me when I came in today.

01:06:53.880 Yeah.

01:06:54.260 My bad.

01:06:55.080 No.

01:06:55.360 Sorry.

01:06:55.680 Thank you.

01:06:56.140 I appreciate it. 0.99

01:06:57.020 Damn it. 0.97

01:06:58.880 Thank you so much for coming on the show. 0.99

01:07:01.080 I think you are fantastic.

01:07:03.020 I really do.

01:07:03.620 And I think you're so talented and so incredible.

01:07:06.320 I can't wait to keep watching you soar. 1.00

01:07:08.680 Likewise, bitch. 1.00

01:07:09.540 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:09.760 And I can't wait to tell everyone.

01:07:10.860 Yeah.

01:07:11.180 I knew about her.

01:07:12.080 Yeah.

01:07:12.820 Yeah.

01:07:13.260 Rebecca Black.

01:07:13.880 Yeah.

01:07:14.160 I knew about her.

01:07:15.180 I'm going to brag to everybody.

01:07:17.220 Please do.

01:07:17.960 Right. 1.00

01:07:18.800 And all the gays in front of me are going to be like, oh, get in line, bitch. 1.00

01:07:22.060 For real. 1.00

01:07:23.060 Well, I'm so happy to have had you.

01:07:24.480 Thank you so much for coming.

01:07:25.420 Thank you.

01:07:26.000 And thank you all for tuning into this episode of the comment section with my amazing guest,

01:07:30.660 Rebecca Black.

01:07:31.820 If again, someone is nine years old, like your sister, and they aren't following

01:07:36.000 you on socials, where can everybody find you?

01:07:38.080 Search Rebecca Black on everything.

01:07:40.660 It's Ms. Rebecca Black or Rebecca Black, wherever.

01:07:42.840 Period.

01:07:43.260 And stream the album when it comes out.

01:07:45.940 And trust.

01:07:47.000 Period.

01:07:47.740 And that actually is perfect because for those of you that don't remember or don't know,

01:07:52.780 new episodes of the comment section come out every Wednesday.

01:07:55.280 You can stream all audio on all streaming platforms, but the video lives exclusively and

01:07:58.540 for free on our favorite platform, Spotify.

01:08:02.320 And that's why it's perfect because you can listen to Rebecca Black's music and you can

01:08:05.520 watch our episode and then everyone can be happy and fulfilled and awesome.

01:08:09.280 Yeah.

01:08:09.420 You can just make an autoplay of trust and then the episode.

01:08:12.100 Just do a big circle.

01:08:12.940 Yeah.

01:08:13.440 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:13.740 And then you're gay. 0.97

01:08:16.460 After that. 0.99

01:08:17.160 That's the agenda.

01:08:18.020 There you go.

01:08:18.600 And we're pushing it.

01:08:21.060 Thank you so much for joining me on this episode.

01:08:24.080 Thank you to my amazing guest, Rebecca Black.

01:08:26.020 And I'll see you next week.

01:08:27.320 Bye.

01:08:28.000 Bye.

01:08:28.280 Bye.

01:08:28.320 Bye.

01:08:28.380 Bye.

01:08:28.880 Bye.

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The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - December 04, 2024

YEAR OF GAY Ft. Rebecca Black ｜ Episode 147

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